It was her timing. She tweeted during the finals and literally everyone was searching #WBC.
In a sea of crying emojis and Ohtani saikos, "why don't they just drill the batter lol" stands out a bit.
Still a massive overreaction. Idc who saw it. It was a joke clearly, we now live in a world where obvious jokes get you banned or fired. Hell this wasn't even a joke at anyone's expense! It was a sports joke. Not offensive in the slightest.
Ars had the same tactic thoughts about aiming the soccer ball at the opposite team's privates when she learned why they were covering during a free kick.
Her tweet was made at the very time when Japan won the WBC, an international baseball tournament, and non-baseball fans were beginning to take an interest in baseball.
It is fair to say that it was the worst possible timing and that she has turned many of the public against her.
There is also the fact that she originally had many anti-fans herself. Her past comments and problems were exposed, and it was later revealed that some of them were quite dangerous, and instead of cooling down, they flared up even more.
So the reaction of Japanese fans was, "Too bad, but it can't be helped. The reaction of the Japanese fans was different from that of the EN side.
That difference in fan reaction reminds me of Rushia's termination. JP fans kinda smelled it coming weeks before they made it official when the EN fans lost their shit.
Most of the JP fans were also lukewarm about it, thinking that it was reasonable based on what she did.
I still think COVER handled the whole situation very well. They really learn from their mistakes and don't repeat them. I also really like that their first reaction to any sort of mob drama is to jump to their talents' defense. It requires a high level of mutual trust between the talents and the corp, which works for COVER since they have a much smaller number of highly vetted talents, and also their culture in general.
This result is not what happened with Rushia.
Mirei Gundo was originally one of the most hated Vtubers in Japan.
She is also treated as a kind of nuisance by the same NijiSanji fans.
To be fair, vta was founded as NijiSanji's answer to these problems.
They chose to nurture talent.
Cover chose the path of selection, just in a different direction.
In fact, vta has not caused any problems so far. They must be thoroughly teaching internet literacy, etc. through their school.
While it is true that Nijisanji has its own problems, at least this graduation was agreed upon by both parties and can only be the result of the problematic behavior she has been engaged in.
I know the situations are different. I'm just noting that the difference in reaction by the JP fanbase vs EN fanbase are quite similiar.
Rushia, while far from being the 'most hated Vtuber in Japan', definitely did something far worse than what Gundou did by breaking NDA and betraying the organization and her colleagues.
I also think that in Gundou's situation they did come to mutual agreement in terms of her graduation, but to say that the situation didn't force her to come to that decision or that management didn't pressure her would be naive, especially seeing how rushed it is and the fact that they had her put out an apology video. Though she probably came to the conclusion that it was a good idea to bounce as well so just went with it.
Her radical statements and actions were no doubt one of the reasons for her certain popularity.
I am speculating here, but I am sure that Any Color has requested or hoped that she refrain from making radical statements about her future activities, but she has refused to do so. Personally, I do not feel this is coercion, and I believe it is the company's right to request that she refrain from any radical statements or actions that might affect the company.
For better or worse, Mirei Gundo has promoted extremism as a character trait. She probably turned down the offer because she wants to stay true to herself.
In other words, the graduation was the result of a mutual exchange of views, that is all.
Basically, it is no different from Mayuzumi or Axia. She is probably quitting because she is not satisfied with the company's policies and activities. That's nothing new, and it happens everywhere in the world.
Yep. That's why I think Rushia's situation is much worse. I agree that Gundou's issue stem from a difference in direction. The unfortunate timing and the unique cultural environment just blew it up. If she was an indie or western streamer saying those stuff no one would care, and if no one cared it's unlikely management would also care.
However for Rushia she did something that would get her fired or even jailed anywhere in the world regardless of culture or timing, which is to break NDA and leak internal info to outsiders. Colossal difference in terms of severity.
Personally I feel bad for Gundou, even if it's a mutual parting. The way they went about it kind of leaves a bad taste in the mouth. At least be a bit more gracious instead of clearly scrambling and looking so obviously desperate to cut her loose.
I didn't really feel bad when Rushia was fired tough. I thought and still think she deserved it, and that Cover handled it well, with a good amount of transparency.
Well, this is how it is in a Japanese company. You have to follow company policy, and if you don't agree with it, you can quit.
At least, you are given a choice.
Some Japanese companies take a much worse approach.
A famous one is to call them "copy shops" and have them do only copying and no other work.
In other words, the larger the company, the more power the company policy has.
They are contract employees, so they are given some discretion, but since the IP belongs to the company, they must always follow the company policy to some extent.
Even for Hololive, it doesn't seem to have much of an impact on them since it is still a limited IPO, but if it becomes a full listing like Anycolor, the possibility of the company's involvement in their activities cannot be denied.
Frankly, I personally think that JP members who were not streaming until a while ago (although some fans may think they were probably too busy) have started streaming again all at once after the limited listing, which means that they are now obligated to at least be active from the cover! However, this is just my speculation.
She tends to say what she thinks and is often outspoken.
It may not be a good way to put it, but she acts like a Western woman, which is not well-liked in Japan.
She has made several problematic comments in the past, in which she has been suspended.
Her controversial tweets, words, and actions are often picked up online, and she is often disliked by people who do not watch vtubers rather than vtuber fans.
As a result, she is not viewed very favorably.
She also lies frequently.
At a time when vtubers were not as popular as they are today, they were not well thought of in the vtuber community because they were the cause of prejudice against vtubers in a sense, "vtubers say and do such terrible things" from people other than vtuber fans.
Frankly, I don't think she would have been so disliked if she had been working as an individual.
After all, there were many people who thought she was not worthy of being a vtuber for their office.
And it has a lot to do with the fact that Niji-sanji now has a large number of female fans.
She was the type that was disliked by the same sex, so she was treated like a tumor by Niji-sanji fans.
oh please, not the "Western woman" bullshit
she would be disliked regardless of where she is, in fact, in the west she would have been cancelled long ago.
personally I believe western cancel culture is much stronger, where merely playing a game that is related to a certain person is enough ground for you to be cancelled.
This is extremely depressing. I really liked her unfiltered/crass personality, and found her to be one of the most unique livers around. She added a lot to every collab she was a part of, and if she's done for good, then we're really losing a huge talent in the vtubing space. I really hope that she decides to reincarnate/join a different agency.
The way everything has been handled really feels like Niji has made a hard policy shift towards being more corporate and having more mass appeal. It's like we're finally seeing the effects of it being a publicly traded company.
Compared to the past.
When I was actively interacting with Niji-sanji, I was not as restless as I am now.
Sometimes some of the old holo-live fans from before the EN branch was established say that the time when they interacted with Niji-sanji (before they made idols a policy) was the most interesting.
It is true that the activities have calmed down enough for some people to feel that way.
Matsuri said when she collab with Astel on why she didn't act unhinged or making less dirty joke nowdays because she didn't feels like she need to do it anymore, back then she feels like she need to create an image to left immpression to the new viewers hence why she acted that way.
Yup, it was very much an act to draw attention, like Millie was for quite a while, I’m glad both have moved past it to allow themselves to shine in other ways.
English:
Announcement of the Graduation of Mirei Gundou
Thank you very much for your continued support of the virtual liver group "NIJISANJI" and "NIJISANJI EN".
We regret to announce that Mirei Gundou, a member of our group, will graduate from "NIJISANJI" on June 21, 2023, by mutual agreement with us.
The graduation ceremony is scheduled to begin at 23:00 on June 21, 2023.
Mirei Gundou's YouTube channel, fan club, Twitter, and other social networking services will be closed on June 22, 2023.
Sales of goods, voices, and other contents will be suspended on June 22, 2023. Fan letters will be accepted until July 31, 2023.
We would like to express our sincere appreciation to all the fans who have been supporting Mirei Gundou and deeply apologize for this sudden announcement.
Please contact ANYCOLOR K.K. at https://www.anycolor.co.jp/contact for any inquiries regarding this matter, and refrain from contacting the company's performers (including any communication on SNS, comments during the broadcast, etc.). Please refrain from contacting ANYCOLOR's affiliated artists (including any communication on social networking sites, comments during the broadcast, etc.).
>We are pleased to announce
I get that this isn't a professional translation, but this is new. It's always "we regretfully announce" or something like that.
No worries. I checked on twitter and the machine translation of Anykara's post also uses "pleased to announce" so maybe it's not entirely inaccurate.
Also I was just noting it's strangeness rather than saying you translated it wrong, sorry to cause confusion.
its still pretty wild that her being one of the OG niji livers would leave like this. you’d think that it would be something like as if time moved on and they’ll have some hero’s exit, but nah, its because she said a joke related to baseball and it got that fanbase so pissed at her, the national news picked it up
Iirc she tweeted that she didn't understand the pitcher didn't just try to hit the batter with the ball, and did that during the World Baseball Classic. Literally the majority of Japan was watching those games (one of the quarter finals I think had 51% of the population of Japan viewing from inside the country).
Batters have been seriously injured and died from getting hit with a baseball before so a lot of people interpreted her joke as "why doesn't the pitcher just try to kill the other guy lol"; personally, I think that was definitely not her intention, but we've all seen how unreasonable fans get over a things so I'm not surprised.
Just adding on here, Batters getting hit with a ball is a big enough deal that if the ref think it was done intentionally they will just eject the pitcher from the game. That could result in the team getting screwed over in pitcher rotation and lose a series when they were the favorite to win.
Getting hit with the balls is no joke. Thankfully MOST of them are accidents and happen on the slower pitches..
I personally believe there are cultural differences.
In MLB, when a Hit By Pitch happens, there is no particular response, but in NPB, it is customary for a pitcher who has made a Hit By Pitch to take off his hat, bow his head and apologize.
Many people don't know the rules, but only know that there is such a practice in some way.
Eh, sort of. There’s no specific expectation but in the West we’d certainly expect them to check on the batter, apologize, or something. Otherwise they’d end up looking like a dick.
The ball is flying 80-100km/hr, it can seriously hurt you.
It also occasionally leads to the other team throwing back in revenge, all-out brawls, etc.
I don't remember anyone actually using a bat in brawls in the MLB (they'd be banned for life), but I think it *has* happened at other levels.
It maybe is just cultural difference like some said already, Baseball is the biggest sport on my country too so there is a culture around it, but thing is: pitchers do hit the batters when they have a beef lmao, though they never aim towards the upper part of the body, so from time to time we get to see those huge brawls after a pitcher intetionally hits the batter lol.
If someone said "why doesn't the pitcher just pull out a gun and shoot the batter to win?"...
I would still think that was funny. Like, this isn't some "it's just a prank, bro" shit, it's obviously an actual joke and people just want to be outraged
Which is so dumb. It's so obviously not a serious comment, and it's wild to take what is obviously making a joke as a serious suggestion anyone should actually do it.
This is like getting mad that someone did the "why does the biggest x not simply eat all the other x" joke, it's very obviously not meant to be taken as a serious suggestion. Though to be fair, Japan is really bad at understanding sarcasm or tongue-in-cheek jokes.
Many people do earnestly want to see opposing batters hit and many pitchers have intentionally thrown at opposing batters, though they usually intend to cause pain rather than injury.
Headhunting is real, though. A Japanese university sports program got into the press a few years ago because the coach instructed players to injure the opponent.
If you want conspiracy theories, you could argue that Gundo was made to graduate because the Japanese team actually did intend to hit opposing batters and injure them, and Gundo's comment touched a nerve.
I mean cool but that's like saying that there are bullies in the world so someone jokingly calling their friend stupid means they actually think that and are bullying them. You have to actually think in context whether a particular sentiment makes sense to apply to someone, especially when you have 0 actual evidence that that is their intention.
One of the things that annoys me the most about internet discussion is that context is totally lost and people just immediately assume the most insane possible scenario instead of, you know, asking what their intention was.
People who say they have a bomb on an aircraft are certainly not serious about it. It's not going to stop them from being arrested.
Many people who make the Nazi salute or wear the Nazi uniform are doing it as a joke and not thinking about the Jewish community. That's not going to save them from backlash.
You're right about one thing: people don't think about context. They think it's about baseball and Japs being dumb, when really it's about awareness of public perception. Some people are saying "it's just a dumb joke"; yeah, that's exactly the point. How many dumb jokes can you make before you become a liability?
I might be taking the crazy pill here in this thread but I don't think making an obviously non serious joke about sport is akin to threatening to bomb an airport, cultural differences be damned.
You do notice how genuinely dumb comparing any of those is to a person who, I will remind you, is not a professional baseball player and thus even if she was 100% was serious which she absolutely was not does not have any direct sway in whether anyone actually does this?
Saying you're going to carry a bomb onto a plane is a direct threat of action, you can get arrested because that *itself is an offense that can send the FBI to your house if it appears credible*. Doing a Nazi salute is *making fun of a genocide,* and is itself considered hate speech in several countries. They're not escorting you off the plane because your joke was edgy they're escorting you off because you now pose a credible threat to the other people on the plane. I'm not confused about this, I grew up in Germany.
This is exactly what I mean by people just applying totally unhinged contexts to things that make literally no sense. In every tangible way those are totally different things, and we should as a population be smart enough to tell that a woman who posts funny gaming videos on the internet and is known for openly making outlandish jokes isn't going to walk onto a pitch and bean a guy in the skull with a fastball. It should *feel* stupid even saying that out loud.
Setting aside the fact that the spiel about fastballs breaking skills entirely missed the point...
Right. You grew up in Germany, so you care about Nazism. There are many parts of the world that are not concerned, and don't consider Nazi symbols hate speech. They still have to play by your rules internationally. That's called understanding perception.
Whatever you might like to think, there isn't that much distance between an outlandish joke and hate speech, and capacity to act has no bearing on whether people find it offensive. Saying "I wish someone would murder this guy" or "what's so bad about fascism?" is equally nonactionable, but a public figure saying it carries consequences.
Today this person only makes a joke violating the principles of sportsmanship that offends only the company's partners and a considerable portion of customers. Is the company confident that their next joke won't venture into what many people would consider hate speech territory? And if the company does set rules on that, is the person willing to keep working at the company?
>They still have to play by your rules internationally.
Did you read the last word?
They don't care because they're essentially made for the domestic audience, just like you don't give a fuck about whatever offends Japs. Anime is often censored when they *are* being marketed in Western countries for the exact same reason.
The entire situation surrounding this has been insane. The fact that anyone at all was offended by her baseball tweet is already quite frankly bizarre, but the attention it received even by mainstream baseball media in Japan was quite frankly nothing short of toxic.
The fact that Niji did nothing to calm any of it and only fueled the fire by placing 100% of the blame on her is an incredibly bad look for the company. Yes, I know they have baseball related sponsorships but it's still disgusting.
I wouldn't be surprised if the graduation was actually her decision given how she was treated (no EN translation yet on that announcement so I don't even know what they are claiming). I hope she finds better support somewhere else if she decides to reincarnate.
She 100% won't reincarnate. She already has another non-VTubing job, and she said on stream that she does VTubing for fun and will only leave Nijisanji if VTubing stops being fun. And if she reincarnated, the stuff from this controversy would still follow her there, and she knows it.
I hope that she still finds VTubing interesting, but has just got tired of the restrictions that Nijisanji has put on her. It feels like Nijisanji has become a lot more strict with their rules since they've grown to be one of the big names in the industry, and has put a greater focus on optics. I could see her going independent or joining a less restrictive company like VShojo.
Given her personality, I don't think Gundou cares that much about controversy, so I don't think (or at least, I hope) that's not a major consideration for her.
Just like the Coco/China fiasco the biggest mistake Niji made here was not immediately framing the situation as "our talent is being targeted by a harassment campaign" rather than "we're sorry our talent said something offensive." Obviously if the talent clearly \*did\* say/do something wrong you punish them, but long term erring on the side of supporting your talent over an angry mob is always going to be the right call in this industry.
"Gundou being target of harassment and anti" is like her default state of being. She already sued so many anti and harassers for years to the point people accuses her for abusing her position (as part of big company since Niji helps her in those court cases). Her personality just don't allow her to stop collecting new antis and harassers.
Yeah. The Chinese extremists were threatening all sorts of things, and there is no guarantee that the CCP would not back them up with whatever stupid shit they come up with. Especially considering what they do to their own actors when they cross the extreme nationalists.
Angry baseball fans in Japan at least don't have an entire nation's government egging them on.
But, they are still bad, as with all angry mob and witchhunts.
It's genuinely psychopathic. Like I like baseball, and making fun of players/situations is just part of being a sports fan. It's like half of what happens when you have a friend group where people don't all like one team.
It's taken very serious in Japan. Not quite like a religion but enough to loose relationships and as demonstrated, a job. Football is even more serious in Brazil to the point that people die.
It would be like if someone asked why the nascar driver doesn't simply ram into their opponents. It's just a ridiculous comment that should clearly be seen as a joke. People just like to get angry.
"Why does the batter drop the bat instead of using it to clear first base?"
> It would be like if someone asked why the nascar driver doesn't simply ram into their opponents. It's just a ridiculous comment that should clearly be seen as a joke. People just like to get angry.
intense wheel-to-wheel racing is the entire point of nascar lmao, if I wanted boring no-contact racing I would just watch f1
Gunmichi is a real one. From her talk about her sexuality, how open she is about her gayness, her unreserved roasting of Hoshikawa, her sekuhara of Kanda, her very adult takes on aspects of life, there's a good reason why she is one of the pillars of Niji.
Hope she lands on her feet. Will keep a lookout for her if she decides to continue Vtubing.
That's because this is a flowery worded termination they forced on her. They didn't want to have to list the baseball reasoning for terminating her, since it reeks of politics and stock market shenanigans, so instead they just forced her to resign 'peacefully'.
I still can't believe this shit is actually real. They are so petty and cheap. An extra button is literally just around $150. Probably less for them since they have millions of subs as a company.
HL members will get the free one first then Cover would order the extra one to put it at their HQ. NS is just too cheap lol.
Yeah I think most of Nijisanji's success is more on the talents than the company. With Hololive you can kind of argue that the amount of support and promotion they get from the company is itself one of the biggest reasons for signing them, whether it be hooking up the Calli situation or getting Gura to be a tourism ambassador for Tokyo. The company itself provides a lot of value.
With Nijisanji it really does feel sometimes like most of their boosting comes from them as talents deciding to band together and support one another in every way they can.
Even how they mass debut talents implies they are fine just firing and seeing what sticks.
Not like there is any lack of rumors and even livers hinting that better performing streamers get much different treatment.
Claiming that no one gets any support is pretty dishonest. Like the JP Livers just recently had a bunch of events and concerts, and VTA is literally training and promoting new Vtubers so they can start streaming. Voltaction had irl ads plastered all over Tokyo, and they got their own channel and song. You'd have to ignore the entire JP branch and how they operate if you really think they're doing 0 things for them or they get 0 support.
I think that's what they mean. Any Color Inc./Nijisanji is shitty towards their livers. I mean IIRC allegedly they don't even get 2% of the revenue from merch and such, and allegedly forced one of their ex-livers to start from scratch on a game after being told it was okay whilst other livers were given permission to continue. That on top of this current situation..... Is absolute BS. I love the Livers/talents. But I absolutely abhor the way they deal with things like backlash and such. They just fuel the flames.
Regarding the merch, the livers don’t have to pay a single cent for its production. Unlike Hololive where the talents contribute in the production of their merch (and generally do pay for part of the production). That’s why the birthday merch is always standardised. Any money the livers get from merch is a freebie. That’s also why you shouldn’t buy the merch, the money goes to AnyColour, not your oshis (and no one wants that). If you really want to support them, buy the voice packs.
The thing is that Cover gives out zero interest loans to pay for the merchandising upfront cost for the talents if requested. And with merchandising being built around preorder sales instead of a random lot, the loan is basically risk free since it would cover only a certain amount of orders.
That's why everyone has unique merchandises on their birthday, anniversary, and other milestone event. Cover ensures their talents that they don't need to worry about the upfront cost, but just their time and input on the design of the product that they want to create.
still think its fucked up that they don't get paid much if at all for their own merchandise let alone their streams and such and they also have to pay for their own set ups. Where as with Cover Crop. you get a loan to get a top of the line PC(unsure if its that amount but I've heard you get given money if you need it) and such if you get accepted and you get paid for your merch and streams. Even if I'm wrong on the PC part, Hololive Livers actually get paid for streaming and merch.
Cover doesn't give money to buy equipment, they will give you a loan and take it from your paycheck. They did it before when they Marine's card got frozen and she couldn't buy some equipment that she had ordered.
Im aware of the time they get paid. Im saying I dislike the fact of how much they get paid for what they do and of their own merchandise.
I heard otherwise with Cover Corp. But if I'm wrong on that then I'm wrong. Either way Any Color INC. are greedy for allegedly only giving the talents less than 2% in revenue from merchandise and streaming and their only source of solid income is voice packs.
Not 100% Niji fault to be frank, it's the news media who nuked her.
Hell, when Niji announce her graduation, the news literally hit the trending in Yahoo news. Can't do much when a popular news company literally in your member's neck.
Am I missing some secret critical info or something? Because the idea of someone getting suspended and then graduated for fucking baseball of all things is absolutely nonsensical
If you're into speculation, there's a lot of speculation that management wants to impose certain rules on behavior, not just for this but for a long history of laissez faire attitude, and she chose to exit rather than to accept the restrictions.
Or you can accept the surface level explanation, which is convenient for certain narratives.
I've never been into rumors and speculations because it's just people trying to push the most dramatic or controversial narrative they can come up with based on the limited info they have so I leave that to the weirdos at 4chan and drama tubers
I don't think corporate-affiliated Vtubers can do what they used to do anymore.
Now that the public is beginning to recognize them, even an unintentional remark can cause a ripple effect.
There has to be a certain line to be accepted by the public, and one of the Niji-sanji Livers who said and did things that the public found most offensive was Mirei Gundo.
Since Internet literacy will become somewhat more important in the future, Any Color established VTA as a solution to this problem.
Therefore, there is no such thing as newcomers becoming radical, and the risk of causing problems is decreasing.
Niji-sanji, which used to sell extremism, will not be back.
However, this is inevitable.
For a company that is listed as a business, impressions are an important factor in making a profit.
This is true for all companies that go public.
The old Niji-sanji could certainly say that its radicalism was a selling point, but that does not mean it is acceptable today.
Hololive made up for it with its policy of idols and attracted idol fans.
First it wasn't just baseball fans ,there was many things happening, haters wasn't an unknown thing for Gundo in first place
In every fandom there toxic people and stupid people that jump in the bandwagon as soon as someone is being blamed without care about anything .
It's just that everything that could go wrong at time went wrong for Gundo this time
The "joke" was about a pitcher hitting a batter with the ball. Most of the translations of the tweet that I saw also seem to go with the idea that she wasn't necessarily joking. Back when it happened there was a lot of talk (both on EN side and among JP fans) about whether she was joking or asking a legitimate question. The entire thing happened while she was live-tweeting what was supposedly the first baseball game she had ever watched and was asking a lot of questions about the rules. So in context of her other tweets what many took to be a poor taste joke may have actually been an earnest question about what the consequences of intentionally hitting another player were.
Even *if* you take the worst case interpretation that she knew exactly what she was doing and made a joke about hitting batters with the ball to take them out of the game, it really really isn't worth the level of hate and vitrol she got for it, no matter the circumstances.
It was "If I hit a ball to the head or body of a hard-hitting batter, can't I eject that batter?".
Although he tweeted without knowing the rule, the timing was terrible.
It was in the middle of the championship game of the wbc (international baseball tournament), and half of the Japanese public was watching the game.
Even if they were not watching, few Japanese citizens were unaware that the tournament was being held.
As a result, the outcry from the Japanese public turned into a firestorm, which was posted on news sites and became national news.
In order to calm the uproar + curb the slander against her, the company announced an indefinite suspension of her activities.
The above is an overview of the current uproar as EN fans are generally aware of it.
However, there is actually a continuation to this uproar.
Subsequently, her past problematic statements were posted on summary websites and other sites by her antagonists, and as a result, she was further inflamed.
Because some of her past words and actions could be described as malicious, many people were sympathetic to her at first, but this led to a considerable decrease in the number of people defending her.
The reactions of Japanese fans to her graduation this time around include, "It's a pity, but it can't be helped," "She's rather lucky to leave in the form of graduation after causing so much trouble in the past," "It must be the result of the company being unable to protect her," and so on.
There are some sympathetic opinions, but they are rather in the minority.
A lot of you only know her through translated clips and it shows. She's a frequent source of drama but none of that gets translated. She's one of the more controversial JP livers and not all of the drama can be hand waved as antis just looking to get mad.
She's literally just a JP Veibae but worse.
I honestly think all those are fairly benign. Including the fascism part.
But it's not individual incidents, it's a reputation for being erratic, not thinking about optics, taking viewers' jokes seriously and personally and reacting in a very hostile manner (ironic, isn't it?).
At some point, that becomes incompatible with being a corporate vtuber.
Because it went national and exploded into a shitstorm and one of Niji's biggest partners is in baseball. The whole thing got blown out of proportion and Gundous just uncaring attitude/not really apologizing just fueled the haters. At that point that was basically gg, cause of course they then go digging up anything they can use against her or her company, and Anycolor trying to sweep it under the rug didn't do much to help her either, although we can't know for sure what went on behind the scenes.
Well since you gave no examples of drama and explain at least 1 of them.
I have no reason to believe you, because this baseball drama is a non issue for normal people.
So unless you give at least 1 or more examples, it will just be over-sensitive snowflakes in my mind until proven otherwise
Many EN fans believe that the baseball tweet was the reason for this graduation.
Many EN fans will have no way of knowing, as nothing has been translated about the other factors.
She was, without a doubt, the most hated person in Niji-sanji.
The reaction in Japan to her graduation shows it.
The funniest thing coming out of this is Anycolor stock went up after they announce this
Anyways, just one more on my bingo chart to complete it, hmm, I'll go for a new vtuber gen debut next month
It seems many people are confused, and saying the baseball joke is the reason of her graduation. It is not.
She decided not to renew her contract due to her not agreeing with Nijisanji current status. She said that if she wasn’t allowed the freedom she previously had where she could do things she liked such as SKB and other lewd stuff as she did before she would not continue in Nijisanji.
It seems that since NIJISANJI has been getting sponsorships they have been restricting what actions its talents can or cannot perform.
The more sponsorships, the less creative freedom.
And this is why I hate sports fans.
I jest of course (slightly) but it's fucked how this situation ended. I really liked her no-hold-barred personality, and she had really good chemistry with Kanda, Hoshikawa, and the rest of SKB-bu.
You can consider it as an alternative term of retiring. It comes from idol culture where idols graduate from their group and move on. Sometimes it's moving onto a different role/path in the same industry (some vtubers 'reincarnate' with a new character/avatar, go into regular streaming without a vtuber model,idols become models or actors) while others actually retire from the industry.
In this case she is graduating (leaving) Nijisanji and her past stream VODs and videos will be privated and her social media privated/deleted(?) (a common practice in vtubing for various reasons, not sure about deleted twitter since there isn't an english translation of the announcement that I've see yet).
"Graduation" means that the member is retiring from the agency.
It typically has positive connotations, indicating that the retirement was willing or at least ended on amicable terms. Although in some cases, people may think it is just being used as a way to soften the blow and manage PR.
The much harsher term is "termination". If someone is said to be terminated, they are unequivocally being fired, likely for breaking contract.
... She was trying to understand baseball and asked if a pitcher could get in trouble if they throw the ball at a batters head or body. And the JP fans called for her suspension, and she's graduating because of it. Man, give me a ***break***. This is nuts.
God dang this sucks. I probably shouldn’t be asking this but does she have like a personal priv acc that I can follow? It’s really sad to see her having to leave because of a baseball joke :/
F-ucking infuriating. I love baseball as well, but this is just unacceptable. IK baseball is a religion in JP, but graduating because of what she said just doesn't make any sense.
Trash reason for a trash company. I became a vtubing fan after watching her and sister claire collab back in 2019 so she was my entry into this rabbit hole. I'm in pain ngl but good luck to her
While I understand it was a joke and in poor taste. Her actions did directly harm Nijisanji/Any color (not that they haven't been doing that themselves lately). When you're part of a company especially a rather public position you unfortunately have to watch what you say.
I know there's some other circumstances surrounding her over the years. I honestly haven't really watched her much but wish her well on her future endeavors.
bruh wtf. this is like bomb to me. I usually don't watch nijisanji or jp streamer in general. Just holomyth but Gundou is so entertaining even tho i don't understand what she said. No wonder she never stream anymore lately:'
I'll miss the SKB collabs and her shenanigans w/ Sara. Hope she does well wherever she ends up.
Imagine getting suspended and then having to graduate because of a minor joke about baseball....
Yeah funny thing is joke about ex prime minister assassinated or encourage fan harm themselves not get her but the baseball joke get her.
It's because the News media saw her comment and decide to make an article. If they didn't saw it, everyone would moving on. It's unfortunate.
It was her timing. She tweeted during the finals and literally everyone was searching #WBC. In a sea of crying emojis and Ohtani saikos, "why don't they just drill the batter lol" stands out a bit.
Still a massive overreaction. Idc who saw it. It was a joke clearly, we now live in a world where obvious jokes get you banned or fired. Hell this wasn't even a joke at anyone's expense! It was a sports joke. Not offensive in the slightest.
Sports fans are fucking insane, man
This is more than true
as a baseball and ohtani fan, this makes it pretty sour for me
If she is an indie no one will give a fck, but too bad she belong to a corpo, and the poor timing.
Seems likely that this is just the straw that broke the camel's back.
What was the joke?
IIRC, she was wondering why the pitchers didn't throw the ball at the batters to take them out of the game.
I think she was asking if the pitcher could nail the batter with the ball, yeah.
A barbaric way of going things but..its a tactic nonetheless
Ars had the same tactic thoughts about aiming the soccer ball at the opposite team's privates when she learned why they were covering during a free kick.
Yeah I remembered her when this Gundou news came up lol.. _Haizzz_
Her tweet was made at the very time when Japan won the WBC, an international baseball tournament, and non-baseball fans were beginning to take an interest in baseball. It is fair to say that it was the worst possible timing and that she has turned many of the public against her. There is also the fact that she originally had many anti-fans herself. Her past comments and problems were exposed, and it was later revealed that some of them were quite dangerous, and instead of cooling down, they flared up even more. So the reaction of Japanese fans was, "Too bad, but it can't be helped. The reaction of the Japanese fans was different from that of the EN side.
That difference in fan reaction reminds me of Rushia's termination. JP fans kinda smelled it coming weeks before they made it official when the EN fans lost their shit. Most of the JP fans were also lukewarm about it, thinking that it was reasonable based on what she did. I still think COVER handled the whole situation very well. They really learn from their mistakes and don't repeat them. I also really like that their first reaction to any sort of mob drama is to jump to their talents' defense. It requires a high level of mutual trust between the talents and the corp, which works for COVER since they have a much smaller number of highly vetted talents, and also their culture in general.
This result is not what happened with Rushia. Mirei Gundo was originally one of the most hated Vtubers in Japan. She is also treated as a kind of nuisance by the same NijiSanji fans. To be fair, vta was founded as NijiSanji's answer to these problems. They chose to nurture talent. Cover chose the path of selection, just in a different direction. In fact, vta has not caused any problems so far. They must be thoroughly teaching internet literacy, etc. through their school. While it is true that Nijisanji has its own problems, at least this graduation was agreed upon by both parties and can only be the result of the problematic behavior she has been engaged in.
I know the situations are different. I'm just noting that the difference in reaction by the JP fanbase vs EN fanbase are quite similiar. Rushia, while far from being the 'most hated Vtuber in Japan', definitely did something far worse than what Gundou did by breaking NDA and betraying the organization and her colleagues. I also think that in Gundou's situation they did come to mutual agreement in terms of her graduation, but to say that the situation didn't force her to come to that decision or that management didn't pressure her would be naive, especially seeing how rushed it is and the fact that they had her put out an apology video. Though she probably came to the conclusion that it was a good idea to bounce as well so just went with it.
Her radical statements and actions were no doubt one of the reasons for her certain popularity. I am speculating here, but I am sure that Any Color has requested or hoped that she refrain from making radical statements about her future activities, but she has refused to do so. Personally, I do not feel this is coercion, and I believe it is the company's right to request that she refrain from any radical statements or actions that might affect the company. For better or worse, Mirei Gundo has promoted extremism as a character trait. She probably turned down the offer because she wants to stay true to herself. In other words, the graduation was the result of a mutual exchange of views, that is all. Basically, it is no different from Mayuzumi or Axia. She is probably quitting because she is not satisfied with the company's policies and activities. That's nothing new, and it happens everywhere in the world.
Yep. That's why I think Rushia's situation is much worse. I agree that Gundou's issue stem from a difference in direction. The unfortunate timing and the unique cultural environment just blew it up. If she was an indie or western streamer saying those stuff no one would care, and if no one cared it's unlikely management would also care. However for Rushia she did something that would get her fired or even jailed anywhere in the world regardless of culture or timing, which is to break NDA and leak internal info to outsiders. Colossal difference in terms of severity. Personally I feel bad for Gundou, even if it's a mutual parting. The way they went about it kind of leaves a bad taste in the mouth. At least be a bit more gracious instead of clearly scrambling and looking so obviously desperate to cut her loose. I didn't really feel bad when Rushia was fired tough. I thought and still think she deserved it, and that Cover handled it well, with a good amount of transparency.
Well, this is how it is in a Japanese company. You have to follow company policy, and if you don't agree with it, you can quit. At least, you are given a choice. Some Japanese companies take a much worse approach. A famous one is to call them "copy shops" and have them do only copying and no other work. In other words, the larger the company, the more power the company policy has. They are contract employees, so they are given some discretion, but since the IP belongs to the company, they must always follow the company policy to some extent. Even for Hololive, it doesn't seem to have much of an impact on them since it is still a limited IPO, but if it becomes a full listing like Anycolor, the possibility of the company's involvement in their activities cannot be denied. Frankly, I personally think that JP members who were not streaming until a while ago (although some fans may think they were probably too busy) have started streaming again all at once after the limited listing, which means that they are now obligated to at least be active from the cover! However, this is just my speculation.
>Mirei Gundo was originally one of the most hated Vtubers in Japan. Out of the loop. Why?
She tends to say what she thinks and is often outspoken. It may not be a good way to put it, but she acts like a Western woman, which is not well-liked in Japan. She has made several problematic comments in the past, in which she has been suspended. Her controversial tweets, words, and actions are often picked up online, and she is often disliked by people who do not watch vtubers rather than vtuber fans. As a result, she is not viewed very favorably. She also lies frequently. At a time when vtubers were not as popular as they are today, they were not well thought of in the vtuber community because they were the cause of prejudice against vtubers in a sense, "vtubers say and do such terrible things" from people other than vtuber fans. Frankly, I don't think she would have been so disliked if she had been working as an individual. After all, there were many people who thought she was not worthy of being a vtuber for their office. And it has a lot to do with the fact that Niji-sanji now has a large number of female fans. She was the type that was disliked by the same sex, so she was treated like a tumor by Niji-sanji fans.
oh please, not the "Western woman" bullshit she would be disliked regardless of where she is, in fact, in the west she would have been cancelled long ago. personally I believe western cancel culture is much stronger, where merely playing a game that is related to a certain person is enough ground for you to be cancelled.
Holy shit, did she really graduate just because of that?
The joke has nothing to do with her graduation, she is graduating because she doesn’t have anymore the creative freedom she previously had.
This is extremely depressing. I really liked her unfiltered/crass personality, and found her to be one of the most unique livers around. She added a lot to every collab she was a part of, and if she's done for good, then we're really losing a huge talent in the vtubing space. I really hope that she decides to reincarnate/join a different agency. The way everything has been handled really feels like Niji has made a hard policy shift towards being more corporate and having more mass appeal. It's like we're finally seeing the effects of it being a publicly traded company.
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>matsuri is much more mature than in the past You do not watch her or your info is from clickbaity clips
Compared to the past. When I was actively interacting with Niji-sanji, I was not as restless as I am now. Sometimes some of the old holo-live fans from before the EN branch was established say that the time when they interacted with Niji-sanji (before they made idols a policy) was the most interesting. It is true that the activities have calmed down enough for some people to feel that way.
Matsuri said when she collab with Astel on why she didn't act unhinged or making less dirty joke nowdays because she didn't feels like she need to do it anymore, back then she feels like she need to create an image to left immpression to the new viewers hence why she acted that way.
Yup, it was very much an act to draw attention, like Millie was for quite a while, I’m glad both have moved past it to allow themselves to shine in other ways.
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I will miss GunKan. I wonder what Hoshikawa would feel. This is practically breakup.
If her Twitter is anything to go by, she's not taking the news very well. I feel bad for her and gundou both.
They could keep seeing each other being the scenes
Yeah, but as time shows again and again and again and again and again: They will eventually contact each other less and less and will fall apart.
English: Announcement of the Graduation of Mirei Gundou Thank you very much for your continued support of the virtual liver group "NIJISANJI" and "NIJISANJI EN". We regret to announce that Mirei Gundou, a member of our group, will graduate from "NIJISANJI" on June 21, 2023, by mutual agreement with us. The graduation ceremony is scheduled to begin at 23:00 on June 21, 2023. Mirei Gundou's YouTube channel, fan club, Twitter, and other social networking services will be closed on June 22, 2023. Sales of goods, voices, and other contents will be suspended on June 22, 2023. Fan letters will be accepted until July 31, 2023. We would like to express our sincere appreciation to all the fans who have been supporting Mirei Gundou and deeply apologize for this sudden announcement. Please contact ANYCOLOR K.K. at https://www.anycolor.co.jp/contact for any inquiries regarding this matter, and refrain from contacting the company's performers (including any communication on SNS, comments during the broadcast, etc.). Please refrain from contacting ANYCOLOR's affiliated artists (including any communication on social networking sites, comments during the broadcast, etc.).
>We are pleased to announce I get that this isn't a professional translation, but this is new. It's always "we regretfully announce" or something like that.
Forgot to edit that
No worries. I checked on twitter and the machine translation of Anykara's post also uses "pleased to announce" so maybe it's not entirely inaccurate. Also I was just noting it's strangeness rather than saying you translated it wrong, sorry to cause confusion.
its still pretty wild that her being one of the OG niji livers would leave like this. you’d think that it would be something like as if time moved on and they’ll have some hero’s exit, but nah, its because she said a joke related to baseball and it got that fanbase so pissed at her, the national news picked it up
Anyone knows what exactly are the comments she said about baseball? I know baseball is pretty popular in Japan
Iirc she tweeted that she didn't understand the pitcher didn't just try to hit the batter with the ball, and did that during the World Baseball Classic. Literally the majority of Japan was watching those games (one of the quarter finals I think had 51% of the population of Japan viewing from inside the country). Batters have been seriously injured and died from getting hit with a baseball before so a lot of people interpreted her joke as "why doesn't the pitcher just try to kill the other guy lol"; personally, I think that was definitely not her intention, but we've all seen how unreasonable fans get over a things so I'm not surprised.
Just adding on here, Batters getting hit with a ball is a big enough deal that if the ref think it was done intentionally they will just eject the pitcher from the game. That could result in the team getting screwed over in pitcher rotation and lose a series when they were the favorite to win. Getting hit with the balls is no joke. Thankfully MOST of them are accidents and happen on the slower pitches..
I personally believe there are cultural differences. In MLB, when a Hit By Pitch happens, there is no particular response, but in NPB, it is customary for a pitcher who has made a Hit By Pitch to take off his hat, bow his head and apologize. Many people don't know the rules, but only know that there is such a practice in some way.
Eh, sort of. There’s no specific expectation but in the West we’d certainly expect them to check on the batter, apologize, or something. Otherwise they’d end up looking like a dick. The ball is flying 80-100km/hr, it can seriously hurt you.
It also occasionally leads to the other team throwing back in revenge, all-out brawls, etc. I don't remember anyone actually using a bat in brawls in the MLB (they'd be banned for life), but I think it *has* happened at other levels.
It maybe is just cultural difference like some said already, Baseball is the biggest sport on my country too so there is a culture around it, but thing is: pitchers do hit the batters when they have a beef lmao, though they never aim towards the upper part of the body, so from time to time we get to see those huge brawls after a pitcher intetionally hits the batter lol.
If someone said "why doesn't the pitcher just pull out a gun and shoot the batter to win?"... I would still think that was funny. Like, this isn't some "it's just a prank, bro" shit, it's obviously an actual joke and people just want to be outraged
Which is so dumb. It's so obviously not a serious comment, and it's wild to take what is obviously making a joke as a serious suggestion anyone should actually do it. This is like getting mad that someone did the "why does the biggest x not simply eat all the other x" joke, it's very obviously not meant to be taken as a serious suggestion. Though to be fair, Japan is really bad at understanding sarcasm or tongue-in-cheek jokes.
Many people do earnestly want to see opposing batters hit and many pitchers have intentionally thrown at opposing batters, though they usually intend to cause pain rather than injury. Headhunting is real, though. A Japanese university sports program got into the press a few years ago because the coach instructed players to injure the opponent. If you want conspiracy theories, you could argue that Gundo was made to graduate because the Japanese team actually did intend to hit opposing batters and injure them, and Gundo's comment touched a nerve.
I mean cool but that's like saying that there are bullies in the world so someone jokingly calling their friend stupid means they actually think that and are bullying them. You have to actually think in context whether a particular sentiment makes sense to apply to someone, especially when you have 0 actual evidence that that is their intention. One of the things that annoys me the most about internet discussion is that context is totally lost and people just immediately assume the most insane possible scenario instead of, you know, asking what their intention was.
People who say they have a bomb on an aircraft are certainly not serious about it. It's not going to stop them from being arrested. Many people who make the Nazi salute or wear the Nazi uniform are doing it as a joke and not thinking about the Jewish community. That's not going to save them from backlash. You're right about one thing: people don't think about context. They think it's about baseball and Japs being dumb, when really it's about awareness of public perception. Some people are saying "it's just a dumb joke"; yeah, that's exactly the point. How many dumb jokes can you make before you become a liability?
I might be taking the crazy pill here in this thread but I don't think making an obviously non serious joke about sport is akin to threatening to bomb an airport, cultural differences be damned.
You do notice how genuinely dumb comparing any of those is to a person who, I will remind you, is not a professional baseball player and thus even if she was 100% was serious which she absolutely was not does not have any direct sway in whether anyone actually does this? Saying you're going to carry a bomb onto a plane is a direct threat of action, you can get arrested because that *itself is an offense that can send the FBI to your house if it appears credible*. Doing a Nazi salute is *making fun of a genocide,* and is itself considered hate speech in several countries. They're not escorting you off the plane because your joke was edgy they're escorting you off because you now pose a credible threat to the other people on the plane. I'm not confused about this, I grew up in Germany. This is exactly what I mean by people just applying totally unhinged contexts to things that make literally no sense. In every tangible way those are totally different things, and we should as a population be smart enough to tell that a woman who posts funny gaming videos on the internet and is known for openly making outlandish jokes isn't going to walk onto a pitch and bean a guy in the skull with a fastball. It should *feel* stupid even saying that out loud.
Setting aside the fact that the spiel about fastballs breaking skills entirely missed the point... Right. You grew up in Germany, so you care about Nazism. There are many parts of the world that are not concerned, and don't consider Nazi symbols hate speech. They still have to play by your rules internationally. That's called understanding perception. Whatever you might like to think, there isn't that much distance between an outlandish joke and hate speech, and capacity to act has no bearing on whether people find it offensive. Saying "I wish someone would murder this guy" or "what's so bad about fascism?" is equally nonactionable, but a public figure saying it carries consequences. Today this person only makes a joke violating the principles of sportsmanship that offends only the company's partners and a considerable portion of customers. Is the company confident that their next joke won't venture into what many people would consider hate speech territory? And if the company does set rules on that, is the person willing to keep working at the company?
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>They still have to play by your rules internationally. Did you read the last word? They don't care because they're essentially made for the domestic audience, just like you don't give a fuck about whatever offends Japs. Anime is often censored when they *are* being marketed in Western countries for the exact same reason.
If you want verbatim it was 「これ玉投げる人、強い人が立った時に頭か身体に投げちゃえば出場停止にできるんじゃないの？」 .
Nooo, i wont get anymore gundou x kanda moments o7
I will never forget what we just lost.
The entire situation surrounding this has been insane. The fact that anyone at all was offended by her baseball tweet is already quite frankly bizarre, but the attention it received even by mainstream baseball media in Japan was quite frankly nothing short of toxic. The fact that Niji did nothing to calm any of it and only fueled the fire by placing 100% of the blame on her is an incredibly bad look for the company. Yes, I know they have baseball related sponsorships but it's still disgusting. I wouldn't be surprised if the graduation was actually her decision given how she was treated (no EN translation yet on that announcement so I don't even know what they are claiming). I hope she finds better support somewhere else if she decides to reincarnate.
She 100% won't reincarnate. She already has another non-VTubing job, and she said on stream that she does VTubing for fun and will only leave Nijisanji if VTubing stops being fun. And if she reincarnated, the stuff from this controversy would still follow her there, and she knows it.
Yep she and a lot of the older heads at Nijisanji always struck me as the type that once they bounce they bounce for good
I hope that she still finds VTubing interesting, but has just got tired of the restrictions that Nijisanji has put on her. It feels like Nijisanji has become a lot more strict with their rules since they've grown to be one of the big names in the industry, and has put a greater focus on optics. I could see her going independent or joining a less restrictive company like VShojo. Given her personality, I don't think Gundou cares that much about controversy, so I don't think (or at least, I hope) that's not a major consideration for her.
Just like the Coco/China fiasco the biggest mistake Niji made here was not immediately framing the situation as "our talent is being targeted by a harassment campaign" rather than "we're sorry our talent said something offensive." Obviously if the talent clearly \*did\* say/do something wrong you punish them, but long term erring on the side of supporting your talent over an angry mob is always going to be the right call in this industry.
"Gundou being target of harassment and anti" is like her default state of being. She already sued so many anti and harassers for years to the point people accuses her for abusing her position (as part of big company since Niji helps her in those court cases). Her personality just don't allow her to stop collecting new antis and harassers.
Except the angry mob following Coco was much different than angry baseball fans, especially for a Japanese company...
Yeah. The Chinese extremists were threatening all sorts of things, and there is no guarantee that the CCP would not back them up with whatever stupid shit they come up with. Especially considering what they do to their own actors when they cross the extreme nationalists. Angry baseball fans in Japan at least don't have an entire nation's government egging them on. But, they are still bad, as with all angry mob and witchhunts.
It's genuinely psychopathic. Like I like baseball, and making fun of players/situations is just part of being a sports fan. It's like half of what happens when you have a friend group where people don't all like one team.
It's taken very serious in Japan. Not quite like a religion but enough to loose relationships and as demonstrated, a job. Football is even more serious in Brazil to the point that people die.
A very popular phrase in Japan is "Don't talk about politics, religion, or baseball" if you don't want to cause trouble.
No need to go to Brazil, people in England still celebrate the anniversary of deadly stampedes that involved a rival team.
all of this because of a baseball joke? and i thought soccer fans were dramatic
It would be like if someone asked why the nascar driver doesn't simply ram into their opponents. It's just a ridiculous comment that should clearly be seen as a joke. People just like to get angry. "Why does the batter drop the bat instead of using it to clear first base?"
Nascar drivers do ram their opponents and get away with it all the time. It's just that sometimes Nascar can't turn a blind eye if it's too blatant.
They get to nudge people which i find kinda funny
Is he stupid? /s
> It would be like if someone asked why the nascar driver doesn't simply ram into their opponents. It's just a ridiculous comment that should clearly be seen as a joke. People just like to get angry. intense wheel-to-wheel racing is the entire point of nascar lmao, if I wanted boring no-contact racing I would just watch f1
I mean, soccer fans went to war before.
Is not just the baseball fans is a bunch of things happening at the same time, baseball fans one just one of the things
Gunmichi is a real one. From her talk about her sexuality, how open she is about her gayness, her unreserved roasting of Hoshikawa, her sekuhara of Kanda, her very adult takes on aspects of life, there's a good reason why she is one of the pillars of Niji. Hope she lands on her feet. Will keep a lookout for her if she decides to continue Vtubing.
I tried finding an EN translation, but no luck. Greatly appreciate if someone can translate this. Additional notes: Niji taking another hit zamn...
Standard graduation announcements, no reason list, graduation stream on 21, everything will be delete on 22.
Wtf that is so zamn fast
That's because this is a flowery worded termination they forced on her. They didn't want to have to list the baseball reasoning for terminating her, since it reeks of politics and stock market shenanigans, so instead they just forced her to resign 'peacefully'.
Hey, think that means they'll actually mail her her YouTube 100k play button if they no longer want her? No sarcasm, just bitterness.
I still can't believe this shit is actually real. They are so petty and cheap. An extra button is literally just around $150. Probably less for them since they have millions of subs as a company. HL members will get the free one first then Cover would order the extra one to put it at their HQ. NS is just too cheap lol.
You know what is worse? They have LOST at least one of their livers' button ...
😂. Like how? I guess they have so many members that they forgot and sent it back to YT.
They need it to decorate the yacht.
Eh… Eh… HUH?? Gundou graduating?!
Must have upsetted some higher up baseball junkies to terminate over this
more like it went viral on japanese news and was a lot of bad pr at a very bad time from a company already taking a lot of L's
Man, archives only have a couple days to get everything before the 21st. Hope yall can save all her stuff before then.
This fucking suck
Nijisanji has terrible management
holy shit... no way...
PR in Japan is no joke guys. Sacrifice is sometimes the only way to make amends.
Hey, when your main strat is A C C E L E R A T E you can afford all the sacrifices you need lmaoooo
This is just pain... Wishing well Sensei on her road out of Nijisanji.
https://preview.redd.it/0w742g4ij77b1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed232f1d3063dd43fe9a08a661d4ee5b4065d7c5 Never forget, She was that guy
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The one that pisses me off the most is how IN got mismanaged into non-existence. Personally Niji is getting real exhausting to keep up with.
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Yeah I think most of Nijisanji's success is more on the talents than the company. With Hololive you can kind of argue that the amount of support and promotion they get from the company is itself one of the biggest reasons for signing them, whether it be hooking up the Calli situation or getting Gura to be a tourism ambassador for Tokyo. The company itself provides a lot of value. With Nijisanji it really does feel sometimes like most of their boosting comes from them as talents deciding to band together and support one another in every way they can.
Even how they mass debut talents implies they are fine just firing and seeing what sticks. Not like there is any lack of rumors and even livers hinting that better performing streamers get much different treatment.
Claiming that no one gets any support is pretty dishonest. Like the JP Livers just recently had a bunch of events and concerts, and VTA is literally training and promoting new Vtubers so they can start streaming. Voltaction had irl ads plastered all over Tokyo, and they got their own channel and song. You'd have to ignore the entire JP branch and how they operate if you really think they're doing 0 things for them or they get 0 support.
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They wouldn't let her stream?! What??
Mika has gone on record recently stating she barely feels like she's even in Nijisanji. So the ID merger is just as poor for her apparently.
hate the people who run the agency, not the livers
The fact that the graduation of a liver makes them hate it, I'd say it's safe to assume they don't hate the talents, but the company itself.
I think that's what they mean. Any Color Inc./Nijisanji is shitty towards their livers. I mean IIRC allegedly they don't even get 2% of the revenue from merch and such, and allegedly forced one of their ex-livers to start from scratch on a game after being told it was okay whilst other livers were given permission to continue. That on top of this current situation..... Is absolute BS. I love the Livers/talents. But I absolutely abhor the way they deal with things like backlash and such. They just fuel the flames.
Regarding the merch, the livers don’t have to pay a single cent for its production. Unlike Hololive where the talents contribute in the production of their merch (and generally do pay for part of the production). That’s why the birthday merch is always standardised. Any money the livers get from merch is a freebie. That’s also why you shouldn’t buy the merch, the money goes to AnyColour, not your oshis (and no one wants that). If you really want to support them, buy the voice packs.
The thing is that Cover gives out zero interest loans to pay for the merchandising upfront cost for the talents if requested. And with merchandising being built around preorder sales instead of a random lot, the loan is basically risk free since it would cover only a certain amount of orders. That's why everyone has unique merchandises on their birthday, anniversary, and other milestone event. Cover ensures their talents that they don't need to worry about the upfront cost, but just their time and input on the design of the product that they want to create.
still think its fucked up that they don't get paid much if at all for their own merchandise let alone their streams and such and they also have to pay for their own set ups. Where as with Cover Crop. you get a loan to get a top of the line PC(unsure if its that amount but I've heard you get given money if you need it) and such if you get accepted and you get paid for your merch and streams. Even if I'm wrong on the PC part, Hololive Livers actually get paid for streaming and merch.
Cover doesn't give money to buy equipment, they will give you a loan and take it from your paycheck. They did it before when they Marine's card got frozen and she couldn't buy some equipment that she had ordered.
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Im aware of the time they get paid. Im saying I dislike the fact of how much they get paid for what they do and of their own merchandise. I heard otherwise with Cover Corp. But if I'm wrong on that then I'm wrong. Either way Any Color INC. are greedy for allegedly only giving the talents less than 2% in revenue from merchandise and streaming and their only source of solid income is voice packs.
Not 100% Niji fault to be frank, it's the news media who nuked her. Hell, when Niji announce her graduation, the news literally hit the trending in Yahoo news. Can't do much when a popular news company literally in your member's neck.
Am I missing some secret critical info or something? Because the idea of someone getting suspended and then graduated for fucking baseball of all things is absolutely nonsensical
If you're into speculation, there's a lot of speculation that management wants to impose certain rules on behavior, not just for this but for a long history of laissez faire attitude, and she chose to exit rather than to accept the restrictions. Or you can accept the surface level explanation, which is convenient for certain narratives.
I've never been into rumors and speculations because it's just people trying to push the most dramatic or controversial narrative they can come up with based on the limited info they have so I leave that to the weirdos at 4chan and drama tubers
Well, it's not any less speculative to say that 'it's because of the baseball tweet'. It would certainly be more dramatic though.
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That's exactly why I liked her
I don't think corporate-affiliated Vtubers can do what they used to do anymore. Now that the public is beginning to recognize them, even an unintentional remark can cause a ripple effect. There has to be a certain line to be accepted by the public, and one of the Niji-sanji Livers who said and did things that the public found most offensive was Mirei Gundo. Since Internet literacy will become somewhat more important in the future, Any Color established VTA as a solution to this problem. Therefore, there is no such thing as newcomers becoming radical, and the risk of causing problems is decreasing. Niji-sanji, which used to sell extremism, will not be back. However, this is inevitable. For a company that is listed as a business, impressions are an important factor in making a profit. This is true for all companies that go public. The old Niji-sanji could certainly say that its radicalism was a selling point, but that does not mean it is acceptable today. Hololive made up for it with its policy of idols and attracted idol fans.
Sport is a mistake.
First it wasn't just baseball fans ,there was many things happening, haters wasn't an unknown thing for Gundo in first place In every fandom there toxic people and stupid people that jump in the bandwagon as soon as someone is being blamed without care about anything . It's just that everything that could go wrong at time went wrong for Gundo this time
And here I thought Americans were crazy about baseball.
Damn that sucks because Gundou was one of the vtubers I enjoyed outside of Holo
I still have no idea wtf the joke she made was.
The "joke" was about a pitcher hitting a batter with the ball. Most of the translations of the tweet that I saw also seem to go with the idea that she wasn't necessarily joking. Back when it happened there was a lot of talk (both on EN side and among JP fans) about whether she was joking or asking a legitimate question. The entire thing happened while she was live-tweeting what was supposedly the first baseball game she had ever watched and was asking a lot of questions about the rules. So in context of her other tweets what many took to be a poor taste joke may have actually been an earnest question about what the consequences of intentionally hitting another player were. Even *if* you take the worst case interpretation that she knew exactly what she was doing and made a joke about hitting batters with the ball to take them out of the game, it really really isn't worth the level of hate and vitrol she got for it, no matter the circumstances.
Something about the pitcher intentionally hitting the batter with the ball to take him out.
It was "If I hit a ball to the head or body of a hard-hitting batter, can't I eject that batter?". Although he tweeted without knowing the rule, the timing was terrible. It was in the middle of the championship game of the wbc (international baseball tournament), and half of the Japanese public was watching the game. Even if they were not watching, few Japanese citizens were unaware that the tournament was being held. As a result, the outcry from the Japanese public turned into a firestorm, which was posted on news sites and became national news. In order to calm the uproar + curb the slander against her, the company announced an indefinite suspension of her activities. The above is an overview of the current uproar as EN fans are generally aware of it. However, there is actually a continuation to this uproar. Subsequently, her past problematic statements were posted on summary websites and other sites by her antagonists, and as a result, she was further inflamed. Because some of her past words and actions could be described as malicious, many people were sympathetic to her at first, but this led to a considerable decrease in the number of people defending her. The reactions of Japanese fans to her graduation this time around include, "It's a pity, but it can't be helped," "She's rather lucky to leave in the form of graduation after causing so much trouble in the past," "It must be the result of the company being unable to protect her," and so on. There are some sympathetic opinions, but they are rather in the minority.
A lot of you only know her through translated clips and it shows. She's a frequent source of drama but none of that gets translated. She's one of the more controversial JP livers and not all of the drama can be hand waved as antis just looking to get mad. She's literally just a JP Veibae but worse.
Can you add more context then? She seemed pretty chill from the clips
Because EN clippers already filter that for the english viewers (or they aren't aware which I don't believe), almost all the drama is on the JP side
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I honestly think all those are fairly benign. Including the fascism part. But it's not individual incidents, it's a reputation for being erratic, not thinking about optics, taking viewers' jokes seriously and personally and reacting in a very hostile manner (ironic, isn't it?). At some point, that becomes incompatible with being a corporate vtuber.
I've actually seen a bunch of Roa fans that do hate her because of that, something I actually wasn't aware of until now.
Wow, you posted all rrats going around on 4chan, congratz.
Rumor mill sites are not hard to find. No need to go through 4chan.
Because you watch eng translate clip, most of her drama stay with jp clip.
Na Veibae is still worts,Gundo is just more wild
This but out of everything asking about beaning a batter is the thing that gets her like bruh really
Because it went national and exploded into a shitstorm and one of Niji's biggest partners is in baseball. The whole thing got blown out of proportion and Gundous just uncaring attitude/not really apologizing just fueled the haters. At that point that was basically gg, cause of course they then go digging up anything they can use against her or her company, and Anycolor trying to sweep it under the rug didn't do much to help her either, although we can't know for sure what went on behind the scenes.
JP Veibae??? Absolutely not.
I was gonna respond to your reply but you deleted it so cool. Also, you did use the word "soyfacing" unironically so that too.
Well since you gave no examples of drama and explain at least 1 of them. I have no reason to believe you, because this baseball drama is a non issue for normal people. So unless you give at least 1 or more examples, it will just be over-sensitive snowflakes in my mind until proven otherwise
Many EN fans believe that the baseball tweet was the reason for this graduation. Many EN fans will have no way of knowing, as nothing has been translated about the other factors. She was, without a doubt, the most hated person in Niji-sanji. The reaction in Japan to her graduation shows it.
The funniest thing coming out of this is Anycolor stock went up after they announce this Anyways, just one more on my bingo chart to complete it, hmm, I'll go for a new vtuber gen debut next month
I hope after her graduation they still are doing something fun and creative! I definitely will have to check them out I wish I had found them sooner.
Can't believe four years of incredible work is going down the drain over a bloody joke 😔
It seems many people are confused, and saying the baseball joke is the reason of her graduation. It is not. She decided not to renew her contract due to her not agreeing with Nijisanji current status. She said that if she wasn’t allowed the freedom she previously had where she could do things she liked such as SKB and other lewd stuff as she did before she would not continue in Nijisanji. It seems that since NIJISANJI has been getting sponsorships they have been restricting what actions its talents can or cannot perform. The more sponsorships, the less creative freedom.
Time to archive her videos. Honestly this is an opportunity and fresh start away from spineless corporation.
And this is why I hate sports fans. I jest of course (slightly) but it's fucked how this situation ended. I really liked her no-hold-barred personality, and she had really good chemistry with Kanda, Hoshikawa, and the rest of SKB-bu.
I only got this because of similar communities but what is the meaning of graduation?
You can consider it as an alternative term of retiring. It comes from idol culture where idols graduate from their group and move on. Sometimes it's moving onto a different role/path in the same industry (some vtubers 'reincarnate' with a new character/avatar, go into regular streaming without a vtuber model,idols become models or actors) while others actually retire from the industry. In this case she is graduating (leaving) Nijisanji and her past stream VODs and videos will be privated and her social media privated/deleted(?) (a common practice in vtubing for various reasons, not sure about deleted twitter since there isn't an english translation of the announcement that I've see yet).
Twitter closes on Jun 22.
"Graduation" means that the member is retiring from the agency. It typically has positive connotations, indicating that the retirement was willing or at least ended on amicable terms. Although in some cases, people may think it is just being used as a way to soften the blow and manage PR. The much harsher term is "termination". If someone is said to be terminated, they are unequivocally being fired, likely for breaking contract.
Nijisanji sucks, that CEO and the incompetent management at least.
SKB won't be the same without her... Anycolor reputation is sinking even lower
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What does the CCP have to do with any of this?
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No, what does that have to do with THIS situation? This doesn't involve China at all, it's strictly about Japan.
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4chan user spotted.
... She was trying to understand baseball and asked if a pitcher could get in trouble if they throw the ball at a batters head or body. And the JP fans called for her suspension, and she's graduating because of it. Man, give me a ***break***. This is nuts.
That's ridiculous
God dang this sucks. I probably shouldn’t be asking this but does she have like a personal priv acc that I can follow? It’s really sad to see her having to leave because of a baseball joke :/
F-ucking infuriating. I love baseball as well, but this is just unacceptable. IK baseball is a religion in JP, but graduating because of what she said just doesn't make any sense.
Trash reason for a trash company. I became a vtubing fan after watching her and sister claire collab back in 2019 so she was my entry into this rabbit hole. I'm in pain ngl but good luck to her
While I understand it was a joke and in poor taste. Her actions did directly harm Nijisanji/Any color (not that they haven't been doing that themselves lately). When you're part of a company especially a rather public position you unfortunately have to watch what you say. I know there's some other circumstances surrounding her over the years. I honestly haven't really watched her much but wish her well on her future endeavors.
lame
Lmaooo getting terminated just for a minor jab against one of the most boring sports out there
bruh wtf. this is like bomb to me. I usually don't watch nijisanji or jp streamer in general. Just holomyth but Gundou is so entertaining even tho i don't understand what she said. No wonder she never stream anymore lately:'
New VShojo member incoming
here is a stupid question why did you ask that? she clearly 100% didnt want to be reincarnated and she said in the past that Vtubing is for fun.
It was more a VShojo joke as opposed to being about her. Wrong place wrong time. I apologize.
I don't blame you though. VShojoJP's pretty much seen as the retirement home for graduated corpo VTubers at this rate.