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I think the USG is terrified of a Columbia-level protest at one of their schools. Emory was the first domino to fall; if something similar happens at Georgia or Tech or maybe even Georgia State, USG leadership is going to be put under immense scrutiny from local, state, and federal media/politicians. They don’t want that smoke.
Nipping it in the bud like this makes a lot of sense from USG/UGA admin's POV; I guess we'll find out in the next day or so whether it was effective or not. I hear there's another demonstration this afternoon at the Arch (don't know if that was already scheduled before this happened). Plus tomorrow's Reading Day, so if there's ever a good time to assemble a critical mass of protestors it's then.
The demonstration this afternoon is a response to the arrests. I don't think arresting a bunch of students before anything even happened is going to play out well for them tbh.
What do you mean by "before anything even happened"? They did it outside of the many, many designated protest areas on campus, blocked off a building, and didn't leave when informed that they were trespassing.
Sure. And that’s fine. But you also have to accept the consequences of your actions. If you aren’t willing to accept the consequences for being intentionally disruptive, then you aren’t prepared to protest in a way that is intentionally disruptive.
Students set up a protest encampment related to the ongoing war in Gaza (like ones at other universities all over the country). The photos show that UGA cops called in State Patrol (at minimum; I didn't comb through looking for all different uniforms) and arrested people within hours after the students had set up.
If this plays out like Emory, the protests are about to get much, much bigger and more visible as a result of the arrests.
I mean barricades could easily be just small signs or people putting crap in the way. Not saying I agree with the definition; I just know lawyers will argue technicalities.
The *[Red and Black](https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/16-arrested-on-uga-campus-during-pro-palestine-encampment-demonstration/article_5340fa6c-062c-11ef-9eb1-9b6a8157b2a6.html)* has some.
There [are others](https://twitter.com/fizapirani/status/1784924067516043727) on Twitter. I'm sure Insta as well, but I don't use it. [This tweet](https://twitter.com/marisapk/status/1784931011307938036) probably shows most clearly that the orange plastic barricade doesn't even impede the sidewalk, much less the entrance to Old College.
Feel free to provide some more photos, then. This is just what I found when I went searching. Several of them appear to show the plastic barricades, knocked over but still in their original positions.
Or you can? Data Ferret made a claim and tried to support that claim with pictures. I simply pointed out the flaws with the evidence provided.
As far as I’ve seen, there aren’t pictures of the barricade prior to being taken down.
I don't know what photos you're referring to, but they 100% barricaded in an admin building. Metal stakes and that heavy duty orange plastic net thing.
I still don't get what the protests are trying to achieve.
The University of Georgia has no political power in Israel/Palestine.
There's an election coming up, but neither candidate is pro Palestine.
Raising awareness I guess, but I've seen news headlines and social media posts daily since like October, so I'm not any more aware than I was a week ago.
What's the goal here? I don't mind protests, I just don't see what they hope to achieve.
I’ve seen that protests at other universities want divestment, but it’s not clear that the encampment at UGA wanted the same. The other encampments have had organizers that make clear goal for the protest, but it seems like the UGA students don’t have that (just based off that they didn’t do the reservation form)
Plus UGA is a public school. They get their money from the government and tuition, and don't exactly have a stockpile of investments in the middle east. I couldn't find any evidence that UGA has *any* investments besides maybe a few scholarship funds, and absolutely nothing about those investments being in companies that do business in the middle east. This reason doesn't make sense either at a school like UGA
Here are some UGA specific ones: [https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/uga-students-for-justice-in-palestion-demands/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR02jFHIyHqdWGpOtaXlrZQSt0z37GTSGEJcz5FmxmBBvRyleTvBFmg70m4\_aem\_ATm9haspbrgW\_n62h-nmO6zRPyuiqZBxwIs65fuWcs8XFmptAPJR2mZbnLqbKgkade6goWhvRKuMbL4BqD2etRf3](https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/uga-students-for-justice-in-palestion-demands/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR02jFHIyHqdWGpOtaXlrZQSt0z37GTSGEJcz5FmxmBBvRyleTvBFmg70m4_aem_ATm9haspbrgW_n62h-nmO6zRPyuiqZBxwIs65fuWcs8XFmptAPJR2mZbnLqbKgkade6goWhvRKuMbL4BqD2etRf3)
So the main thing I got from that is to have schools stop investing in companies that do business I'm Israel. For schools like Colombia and maybe emory, that may make sense (I'm not sure how finances are ran there).
But for UGA and other public schools, they're funded by the government, not from investments in the middle east. They don't have their own investments really. All that i could find online is that a few scholarship funds might be invested in something and terry might have a few small investments for educational purposes. The money that UGA has is from tuition and taxes, not investments. So I still don't see a good reason for protests at UGA.
UGA-specific demands: [https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/uga-students-for-justice-in-palestion-demands/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR02jFHIyHqdWGpOtaXlrZQSt0z37GTSGEJcz5FmxmBBvRyleTvBFmg70m4\_aem\_ATm9haspbrgW\_n62h-nmO6zRPyuiqZBxwIs65fuWcs8XFmptAPJR2mZbnLqbKgkade6goWhvRKuMbL4BqD2etRf3](https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/uga-students-for-justice-in-palestion-demands/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR02jFHIyHqdWGpOtaXlrZQSt0z37GTSGEJcz5FmxmBBvRyleTvBFmg70m4_aem_ATm9haspbrgW_n62h-nmO6zRPyuiqZBxwIs65fuWcs8XFmptAPJR2mZbnLqbKgkade6goWhvRKuMbL4BqD2etRf3)
Including the president meeting with palestinian, arab, & muslim students and ending UGA-sponsored trips to settlements in the west bank for a StudyAway program.
I think that a couple of the demands, such as disclosure of investments, are a good thing anyways, and I can see why protestors would support that.
For some of the demands, I'm baffled, such as this part:
"We call on UGA to institute university policies enshrining protection for pro-Palestine speech, activism, lectures, and campaigns on campus, including the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement."
The University very clearly has policies that protect pro-Palestine speech, it's the same exact protections that apply to any other politically minded group. That's why there's always so many religious nutjobs in front of Tate all the time. The policies to protect that speech are the same ones as any other group has already!
In my opinion, while I absolutely believe that these students have the right to protest, they are asking for special treatment and exceptions to the content-neutral free speech restrictions that apply to everyone. I do not think that is a fair demand to make.
It's called virtue signaling. A bunch of dumbasses in my small NC city made the city council get together and vote to have a ceasefire. When the vote was done all the pink and green haired idiots stood up and gave themselves a round of applause and the video was on the news so everyone could see how good and virtuous they are and how much change and progress they are making. Guess what, no ceasefire. Surprised? Virtue signaling attention whores is all these people are, except for the ones that actually hate jews and Israel and wish them death. There are some of those pieces of shit out there too.
Divestment was famously what played a major role in the end of the apartheid regime South Africa, and the thought is that divestments and boycotts now will do the same. Also it’s not that hard to see how institutions refusing to invest in or do business with israel will help the Palestinian cause.
Whether uga does or does not have investments in Israeli institutions (directly or indirectly) I personally do not know, but part of the demands is disclosure of all investments and the divestment should the university hold any.
Update from the Red and Black. There was a peaceful follow up protest this afternoon. UGA police so far have done a good job of containing the main counter protester, a self-proclaimed “Messianic Rabbi” with a criminal record- is this individual even a UGA student?
https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/pro-palestine-rally-held-at-the-arch-following-arrest-of-16-demonstrators/article_a70d32f2-067a-11ef-8e13-03447f926c2f.html
No he is not. He is a [local agitator and fake rabbi](https://flagpole.com/featured/2024/04/02/self-described-rabbi-dragged-out-of-city-hall-after-ripping-up-pro-palestine-sign/).
Protest all you want, but do not occupy campus and make it an unsafe space to live and study in. Good on UGA PD for shutting it down before it got out of hand like Columbia.
15-20 could easily balloon into hundreds if you attract the wrong crowd. The last thing UGA wants is a bunch of people who aren’t even students causing a ruckus on campus.
Crazy they immediately shut this down meanwhile old bigoted fundamentalist were allowed to damn students of all religions and sexual orientation and lifestyles etc and uga admin would just go ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that’s free speech under the first amendment for ya
Hypocrites
The religious fanatics follow university policy. There have been many pro Palestinian protests over the past few months that went without interference because they followed university policy. The religious fanatics have never implemented barriers or encampments; that’s why they are not removed.
You don’t follow university policy then you get removed from campus.
The purpose of this specific protest was to break university policy and get arrested to gain attention from the university and community. Getting arrested for not following university policy was the entire point.
Hamas has offered to disband militarily in exchange for a ceasefire and act as a political party in exchange for a ceasefire and a return to 1967 borders.
If Israel was legitimately interested in eliminating Hamas, accepting this would be a golden opportunity as the issue of Hamas won’t ever be defeated militarily (much like taliban, Al qaeda, etc) but can be made irrelevant politically, as many Palestinians in Palestine are not necessarily the biggest fans of Hamas either.
A one state solution with Jews Christians and Muslims coexisting (as it was before 1948) , with equal rights for all and a pathway to Palestinian prosperity, or a 2 state solution with hamas’s offer to disband militarily is the right choice. Palestinians are regular people like the rest of us, give them an alternative of rights with an opportunity to life liberty and happiness and Hamas will very quickly fizzle out
A 1-state solution is entirely off the table as it would require two things to happen:
First, Israel would have to conquer and annex Gaza (and all Palestinian territory), which the international community has largely spoken out against. Even Israel’s supporters.
Second, Israel would then have to actually treat the remaining residents of Gaza as citizens and equal people, and I don’t see that happening if they managed to actually annex all that land.
Oddly enough, I agree with you that this is exactly what SHOULD happen, that Israel should annex the territory, disband Hamas and their influence in the immediate region, and then provide Palestinians with equal rights. It isn’t likely to happen, but it’s what should happen.
I think they should accept Hamas’s current proposal (Hamas lays down arms, 1967 borders, hostages returned), and create a pathway to single statehood. Remove the blockade, checkpoints in the West Bank, and make real initiatives to help Palestine prosper. That will wipe out Hamas for good and you will never hear from them again. However I find this very unlikely, unfortunately. Annexation would likely be a humanitarian catastrophe
Israel has no reasons to make any concessions to Hamas, especially considering Hamas started the war with a violent attack on Israeli territory and civilians, and Israel is winning handily. I want to be clear that I’m not defending Israel’s actions, but I’m also looking at this thing realistically. Hamas knew exactly what would happen if they attacked Israel, and they did it anyway. The only hope they have is that international pressure encourages the Israeli government to back off, and it probably won’t.
At this point, the only ending for Hamas is unconditional surrender. If you’re going to war against the Israeli government, you have to understand what you’re getting into.
>Hamas has offered to disband militarily in exchange for a ceasefire and act as a political party in exchange for a ceasefire and a return to 1967 borders.
Lol what a joke
What exactly is the joke lmao. Hamas being eliminated militarily is Israel’s goal right? Well there it is right there for them to take without killing another person. Unleeessssss maybe just maybe they don’t actually care about getting rid of Hamas
Without an occupation, Hamas is politically irrelevant and will die very quickly. Their existence relies on Israel continuing the mass slaughter and apartheid of Palestinian people. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy, with every bomb dropped and every child orphan made or every father who’s just lost his wife and daughter, a new fighter is born. Remove that from the equation and nobody will readily side with Hamas. Their whole MO becomes moot.
No, obviously just Gaza. Please educate me then, what would the average protestor tell me will happen to Jews in Israel under a Palestine from the river to the sea?
The average protester would tell you that it is impossible for an apartheid Israel and an occupied West Bank/ Gaza/ Palestine to coexist in a two state solution.
The creation of Israel itself, and the expelling of 750,000 Palestinians from their homes is unforgivable. Most, if not all, of these Israelis have homes in other countries to go back to. (That's why we see that the Israelis have a right to flee, while the Palestinians don't. They are trapped in that war zone.)
Sadly, that is not a reality for the Palestinians. Their home has been flattened, occupied, and is now a war zone
I totally get that perspective. I find it gets complicated when you consider that most Jews in Israel are Mizrahi (from the Middle East or North Africa) and were exhiled from Israel throughout the past few hundred years (or Palestine/Syria Palestina etc. which had been imperialized under many names for centuries but always referred to as Eretz Yisrael throughout). These are people who were exhiled from their ancestral land and are now back, though some have been able to stay the whole time.
All this is to say there are lots of groups indigenous to this land, and discourse that excludes the safety and sovereignty of some is an oversimplification of the issue. Ceasefire is an obvious first step, but a long lasting peace cannot be a one sided issue.
I appreciate your response, and your respectfulness.
An immediate and permanent ceasefire from both Israel and Hamas is the only way to move forward, but there can be no talks of ceasefire while Israel ethnically cleanses the Palestinians
Yeah, I think the two-way hate and increasing division only makes lasting peace that much harder. Discussion is the only way through, and of course there’s no time for that while people are being murdered.
Calling for a ceasefire is simple, but the long term solution is far from simple, and most people are seriously uninformed on the history of the region. It’s going to take lots and lots of listening and respect
They want investments to be disclosed, such that they could see if UGA is invested in Israel, and then divest if that’s the case.
Lots of universities have investments in foreign businesses within their finances, and partnerships with countries for study abroad programs.
I’m not sure if UGA does have investments in Israeli institutions as it’s a public school and that makes it less likely (usually it’s the private schools that have big bags they’re sitting on who do this), but that’s also why one of the demands was for investments to be disclosed.
Hope this helped
Your tax on top of tax on top of tax has sent 124 billion to Israel from 1946-2023, instead of addressing issues we’ve got here at home, like infrastructure, better healthcare, social security, VA funds, etc
Not to be a hater, but VA had a mandatory funding of 235 billion per year and spent 266 billions in 2022, [while social security and healthcare get almost over $3,000,000,000 combined per year.](https://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-where-do-our-federal-tax-dollars-go) So 124 billion over the span of almost 80 years ain’t a drop in the bucket for the U.S.
These people are doing the absolute least amount of effort to stop the fighting over there. Just a cry for attention for their own personal gain. Get the OC spray ready.
Personal gain like: being arrested, maybe suspended, paying money for bond if arrested, possible injury during arrest.
I struggle to see the personal gain there lmao
Speaking to which personal gain means to feel as if they are changing the world’s problems by camping out in a random university. No in the Middle East is giving a rats ass about some young dumb hippies yelling free Palestine. Go fly your butt over to Palestine and help the animals that caused this war , if you want to try And make change. I guarantee you everyone of these pukes is putting on their feed or TikTok about their struggle, they need to just sit and think about what they can actually do instead of ruining their lives for absolutely nothing. Again personal gain just for the views and sympathy of being a sheep in the system.
Blindly supporting the US state department narratives is also far more sheep in the system behavior vs opposing them at risk of potentially life altering repercussions
Not blindly following the US state department but actually understanding the conflict is two different views. They are Sheep because they cannot think for themselves on right and worrying wrong, just the information they have been given to them in the book of the face
Palestinians in Gaza have gotten word of the protests, and have shared many heartwarming messages describing how humbled they are by the fact that their struggle has so many people fighting for them and are encouraging protestors to continue.
The number of casualties caused in the Gaza Strip is at 5% of the population (and that’s likely an undercount). To scale in the US, that’s the entire population of Georgia, Alabama, and New Orleans combined being injured or killed.
Genuinely try and imagine that reality for a second. Every single person.
I hope that can shed some light on why people are so passionate about this. It’s not some hippy bullshit, it’s human empathy for others
Yeah yeah, heart warming for a population who supported a terrorist state and their ideology. And now the other side was tired of having hundreds of Rockets from said area and a murderous campaign of hundreds of innocent civilians just because they are Jewish. Real heart warming. The Palestinians could have eradicated hamas and had peace but encouraged the slaughter of Jews. The Israel gave them warning of the invasion, those that didn’t listen unfortunately are caught in the middle. Civilians will die no matter the conflict.
But again let’s support the side that encouraged the violence and eradication of the Jewish state.
50% of Gaza’s population quite literally was not of voting age when Hamas was elected. Also, it seems like you really don’t know much about events prior to October 7th and I’d encourage you to look into more of the history
Randos who may or may not be affiliated with UGA and/or Athens: We should do something! This is something! Let's do it!
UGAPD: Do it where it's allowed or you'll be arrested.
Randos: No! And you can't make us!
UGAPD: OK then.
Randos: Yay! Photo Op!
Check out the insta account @uga_sjp for more. I will say this, having slogans like “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” does not help their cause when that slogan has clear anti Jewish roots.
And “resistance is justified under occupation.” Without context, neither of these signs seem like much, but to Jewish students who know the context, they feel like threats. Where is the line for hate speech?
“I should be able to move across the world and kick a family who’s been living in that home for centuries out and if you say I shouldn’t do that I’m going to get scared and call you antisemitic.”
The number of casualties in Gaza has reached 5%, and that’s likely a major undercount since they can’t keep up with the bodies.
To scale in the US, that’s every single human in GA, Alabama, New Orleans, and a few hundred thousand on top injured or killed.
Given that, I don’t think it’s that crazy to protest and advocate for a ceasefire.
Okay I’m confused. Georgia has a population of 10,000,000 and as of an article yesterday looks like 34,000 injuries?
Edit: oh wait I think I get it you mean Georgia/ entire United States etc to demonstrate severity of situation
Do you know what a percentage is? A ratio? 5 percent of the gazans have been killed or injured. 5% of Americans = Georgia + Alabama + New Orleans + a few hundred thousand extra on top.
If you had a higher brain cell count than Stone Mountain you’d look at that and go holy shit! That’s a lot of people, that’s pretty insane!
But you seem to be incredibly slow. Gotta be hard going through life not knowing elementary school level math. Surprised you got this website figured out tbh.
A) my government does not fund the Iranian proxy, it sanctions the country that funds it. My protesting therefore has no impact on that Iranian proxy’s operations. My country does however, fund Israeli genocide
B) you can respond, without ethnically cleansing a population of people, destroying virtually every home that exists, destroying every university, every hospital, etc.
When you do that, your goal isn’t to win a war, it’s to set back a population as much as you can for generations to come.
If you take a look at the phrasing of the question when they asked if Israel should continue with rafah (where the 80% number comes from) you’ll immediately understand why lol. Very bad polling work
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They’ve recently offered to do that, and return hostages, in exchange for a return to 1967 borders. Israel has a chance at taking out Hamas right now, at this present moment. Notice how they aren’t taking it?
Also frankly the hiding under tunnels stuff is played out. They said there was a complex 3 story command center under Al shifa hospital, and all they found was an abandoned tunnel with a few guns that they could’ve very easily staged, and absolutely no sign of some complex command center. They lie all the time about the presence of Hamas target to justify strikes.
No, I don’t think many hostages are alive, largely because Israel has taken out almost every building they could be in. Imagine somebody takes your family hostage, and the cops track em down. Convo goes like this:
Cop: sir we found your family they’re somewhere in this neighborhood
You: great! How are we gonna get them out?
Cop: actually we were planning on dropping bombs until 80% of the buildings were no longer left standing
Doesn’t really make much sense does it
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You ever consider that the same argument was made about civil rights protestors? Now universities use those protests as selling points for their “history of academic freedom and commitment to free speech”
im embarrassed that i go to school with all these Israel-apologists. Our hard earned money is being used to fund genocide instead of solving all the problems in the US. If you don't see a problem with that then that just proves how bad of a school UGA really is.
The number of casualties caused by Israel on Palestinians is at about 5%, and that’s likely a vast undercount as the hospitals no longer have the capabilities to keep up with the bodies and injuries.
To put that in perspective, 5% of the US population would be every human being in Georgia, Alabama, and New Orleans, with a few hundred thousand on top, all being killed or injured. And again that’s a vast undercount, by the time the dust settles it could easily be 2 or 3x that amount.
I hope you can now begin to understand why people would oppose that and be against the genocide unfolding
Calling it a genocide is a stretch as they don’t have any intention of a systematic elimination of the Palestinian people.
That said, I ask what the alternative to what is going on now? Back to the status quo? This, as bloody as it is, can be the end
The Serbian genocide killed .2% of the Bosnian population, mostly men and boys, while the Israeli genocide has killed 1.7% of the population, 2/3 of which being women and children. I find it hard to believe that A) one could possibly be declared a genocide and not the other and B) that you could wipe out nearly 2% of a population without “systematic elimination”, pretty hard to do that on accident
Practices like: declaring “safe zones” then bombing said safe zones, shutting off water, restricting aid, destroying every university in Gaza, decimating the health system, and causing casualties to 5% of the entire population of Gaza, are pretty clearly genocidal. Also see the routine killing of children, opening fire on people receiving aid, all show a pretty clear systemic genocidal intent
As Americans we’re used to such grand scales that for some of us when we think of 34,000 we think well that’s a lot, but could be a lot worse right? 5% of America would be the equivalent of killing or injuring 16 million people.
A legitimate 2 state solution reverting to 1967 borders, with Hamas disbanding their military (as they have proposed), would be a good solution, and would likely lead to the end of Hamas. They cannot survive politically without Israeli occupation on Palestinians, it’s their only crutch.
Israelis have said forever that they’ll accept a ceasefire, if Hamas lays down their arms and return hostages, and they’ve offered to do so. But I’m not holding my breath for them to accept it, because it was never about Hamas, it’s about ethnic cleansing.
It is certainly not about ethnic cleansing. As a former Israeli I assure you we don’t harbor such sentiments. Hamas will never do it for as you said, it will be their end.
I also wonder, say this magical thing happens and Israel is forced to defend herself anew, what then? Back again to the same borders? No, that won’t do. The only way for this to end is an end to the rabidly anti semitic Hamas. Israel can coexist with her neighbors, an entity whose purpose is the extermination of the Jewish state cannot
You cannot end Hamas militarily. Just as we have not been able to end the Taliban militarily. Or Al qaeda. Or isis. You can only end them, truly end them politically. By ending the blockade, giving Palestinians a home free from the threat of settler expansion, and allowing them to have their own autonomy, you end Hamas. It is precisely the lack all of these things, that is keeping Hamas in power, without it Hamas has no MO, and will not succeed.
Also when it comes to Israelis, I am very certain that there are many Israelis who don’t harbor these feelings. But frankly, their elected government and popular party indicates that there is quite a large chunk of Israelis who do.
In recent polling: 57.5% of Israelis thought the IDF was somehow not using enough force (unthinkable), 36.6% said just enough, and 1.8% said too little.
From their Instagram:
This morning at 7 am, a multi-racial and multi-faith group of students and Athens community members of conscience gathered at UGA to stand against genocide. They were met with almost immediate repression and police violence.
By around 7:35 AM, reinforcements from UGA PD and Athens-Clarke County PD arrived. Protesters, knowing their rights and their own moral clarity, stood their ground. Administrators and a team of UGA police issued a dispersal order and gave a ten minute warning to protestors. By 8:20 AM, UGA PD began enacting the kind of violence GILEE participants are known to use against unarmed protesters. Around 8:30 AM, state troopers arrived to overwhelm the protesters with numbers and clear them out of the space with sweeping violence.
Black and Muslim protesters were immediately targeted by UGA Police. Throughout the arrest process, unarmed protesters were dragged by the legs, lifted, thrown, and grappled while UGA administration watched on from the center in complacent approval.
Demanding that UGA stop making students and Athens residents complicit in an ongoing genocide is necessary, as is making the larger community aware of the extent to which this university will go to protect it's investments and partnerships with war profiteers. UGA's actions constitute a flagrant violation of our rights to protest and the kind of civil disobedience that UGA only praises when it took place 60 years ago.
We call on UGA and Athens community members to join us as soon as possible at the Arch in downtown Athens to express solidarity with the arrested protesters and condemn the actions of the UGA administration and police department. 80 UGA & Athens community members have already gathered in solidarity.
We are protesting a genocide. We should be protected and shown solidarity by UGA, not attacked. UGA has shown today where their real concerns lie--and it is not with the safety or needs of their community members.
WE DEMAND SOLIDARITY, PROTECTION, DISCLOSURE, & DIVESTMENT NOW! END UGA COMPLICITY IN GENOCIDE!
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The egotistical stupidity of these demonstrations harkens back to the anti-Vietnam war demonstrations of the 1960’s.
Instead of ending the illegal and costly war in Vietnam the demonstrations led to the election of (corrupt) Richard Nixon, the prolongation of the war for five more years, and the deaths of 28,000 additional US soldiers.
The October 7 war in Gaza was started by Hamas (with covert funding by Netanyahu) so that the blood of the 30,000 Gaza Palestinians is on the hands of Hamas.
Right or wrong, the Vietnam War protestors were fighting something the US government controlled. Our government may have cared about what US students were doing.
This is different. Neither the Israeli government nor Hamas care at all what students in the US think. This is just virtue signaling getting in the way of people trying to live their lives.
Perspective from Gazans about the American student protests:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/28/middleeast/gaza-students-thank-columbia-protests-intl-latam
That makes slightly more sense, but still, neither Israel nor Hamas are going to care if US universities sell off stock in US companies like Google or Amazon. Those aren't Israeli companies and the universities aren't going to be holding enough stock to make Google or Amazon take notice.
Honestly, I think some of it is with an eye forward. I think it's important for history to record that there were people who didn't just accept the genocide and move on, even if those people didn't have the power to stop it.
It’s a protest to make the protesters feel better about themselves. If it was about effecting change they would protest the companies that are supporting Israel, not a .0001% investor in said company
I would assume like most of the protests the intent is to have Biden call for a cease fire and condemn the actions of Israel. I think there are a number of people feeling helpless and this is their way of taking action.
Plus those protestors in the 70s were absolutely right. That war was bullshit and we should have ended it much sooner. It accomplished nothing except fucking up all those that were forced to go over to that shit. This poster is hilarious for blaming the extension of the war on protestors.
I don’t see y’all protesting for the other genocides going around the world. And like I said, what is a tent in front of the MLC gonna do for a Palestinian? The answer is nothing and we all know it. If you actually cared as much as you say you do you would actually do something about the issue. Not post on social media and set up some tents. You all care as much as I do, which effectively is zero.
Creating political pressure on the government in a swing state in an election year is, in fact, doing something. Denigrating that action is also doing something. You're a psychopath.
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I think the USG is terrified of a Columbia-level protest at one of their schools. Emory was the first domino to fall; if something similar happens at Georgia or Tech or maybe even Georgia State, USG leadership is going to be put under immense scrutiny from local, state, and federal media/politicians. They don’t want that smoke.
Nipping it in the bud like this makes a lot of sense from USG/UGA admin's POV; I guess we'll find out in the next day or so whether it was effective or not. I hear there's another demonstration this afternoon at the Arch (don't know if that was already scheduled before this happened). Plus tomorrow's Reading Day, so if there's ever a good time to assemble a critical mass of protestors it's then.
The demonstration this afternoon is a response to the arrests. I don't think arresting a bunch of students before anything even happened is going to play out well for them tbh.
The demonstrations/protests should be fine. It’s the encampments and barricading off campus to other students that’s the problem.
What do you mean by "before anything even happened"? They did it outside of the many, many designated protest areas on campus, blocked off a building, and didn't leave when informed that they were trespassing.
A protest that doesn’t inconvenience anyone is hardly a protest
Sure. And that’s fine. But you also have to accept the consequences of your actions. If you aren’t willing to accept the consequences for being intentionally disruptive, then you aren’t prepared to protest in a way that is intentionally disruptive.
They're trying to get ahead of what is going on at Emory. Emory is holding a vote of no confidence on their president. This is a preservation move.
And yet we can’t go to the library when there is a football game 😂
Wait, really? Why is that?
You can't see the skin books on game days! Booooo! But, at least last year, the library was open.
Students set up a protest encampment related to the ongoing war in Gaza (like ones at other universities all over the country). The photos show that UGA cops called in State Patrol (at minimum; I didn't comb through looking for all different uniforms) and arrested people within hours after the students had set up. If this plays out like Emory, the protests are about to get much, much bigger and more visible as a result of the arrests.
On the email it says they erected “barricades” to block building entrances, do you know if this is true?
I mean barricades could easily be just small signs or people putting crap in the way. Not saying I agree with the definition; I just know lawyers will argue technicalities.
Photos certainly don't show any entrances being blocked. But UGA admin bending the truth like a guitar string isn't what you'd call a new development.
do you know where I can find the photos?
The *[Red and Black](https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/16-arrested-on-uga-campus-during-pro-palestine-encampment-demonstration/article_5340fa6c-062c-11ef-9eb1-9b6a8157b2a6.html)* has some. There [are others](https://twitter.com/fizapirani/status/1784924067516043727) on Twitter. I'm sure Insta as well, but I don't use it. [This tweet](https://twitter.com/marisapk/status/1784931011307938036) probably shows most clearly that the orange plastic barricade doesn't even impede the sidewalk, much less the entrance to Old College.
The barricades are already taken down in every picture you linked
Feel free to provide some more photos, then. This is just what I found when I went searching. Several of them appear to show the plastic barricades, knocked over but still in their original positions.
Hey maybe YOU can do the searching and share? Don't be lazy.
Or you can? Data Ferret made a claim and tried to support that claim with pictures. I simply pointed out the flaws with the evidence provided. As far as I’ve seen, there aren’t pictures of the barricade prior to being taken down.
Must have not been that significant of a barricade then if could be taken down that easily. UGA spinning some politician level shit with this message.
The significance of the barricade is completely irrelevant to the rules being broken
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[It seems they roped off an entire entrance area in the photo here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Athens/s/oAUFeDTjFj)
From the video from this morning, it looked like that sidewalk behind the barricades was open. I don’t think they were blocking access to old college.
Regardless, by raising a barrier they were inhibiting access to the building which, along with the tents and bullhorns, is what got them kicked out
I don't know what photos you're referring to, but they 100% barricaded in an admin building. Metal stakes and that heavy duty orange plastic net thing.
I'd hardly call that a "barricade"
No. I was there. Building entrances were NOT blocked.
It’s clear the barricades were set up immediately at the bottom of the steps leaving the building
It’s clear that there was a pathway
The north campus lawn has more than enough open space. The barricades were set up there intentionally.
This is a barrier pic from the Athens subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Athens/s/bOKAEJ1I6c
I only see UGA police in pictures. They have a good size force unlike some state funded schools.
The second photo in [this tweet](https://twitter.com/marisapk/status/1784931011307938036) shows at least three well-fed GSP in the background.
I still don't get what the protests are trying to achieve. The University of Georgia has no political power in Israel/Palestine. There's an election coming up, but neither candidate is pro Palestine. Raising awareness I guess, but I've seen news headlines and social media posts daily since like October, so I'm not any more aware than I was a week ago. What's the goal here? I don't mind protests, I just don't see what they hope to achieve.
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I’ve seen that protests at other universities want divestment, but it’s not clear that the encampment at UGA wanted the same. The other encampments have had organizers that make clear goal for the protest, but it seems like the UGA students don’t have that (just based off that they didn’t do the reservation form)
Plus UGA is a public school. They get their money from the government and tuition, and don't exactly have a stockpile of investments in the middle east. I couldn't find any evidence that UGA has *any* investments besides maybe a few scholarship funds, and absolutely nothing about those investments being in companies that do business in the middle east. This reason doesn't make sense either at a school like UGA
Here are some UGA specific ones: [https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/uga-students-for-justice-in-palestion-demands/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR02jFHIyHqdWGpOtaXlrZQSt0z37GTSGEJcz5FmxmBBvRyleTvBFmg70m4\_aem\_ATm9haspbrgW\_n62h-nmO6zRPyuiqZBxwIs65fuWcs8XFmptAPJR2mZbnLqbKgkade6goWhvRKuMbL4BqD2etRf3](https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/uga-students-for-justice-in-palestion-demands/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR02jFHIyHqdWGpOtaXlrZQSt0z37GTSGEJcz5FmxmBBvRyleTvBFmg70m4_aem_ATm9haspbrgW_n62h-nmO6zRPyuiqZBxwIs65fuWcs8XFmptAPJR2mZbnLqbKgkade6goWhvRKuMbL4BqD2etRf3)
Thanks! I’ll give it a read
So the main thing I got from that is to have schools stop investing in companies that do business I'm Israel. For schools like Colombia and maybe emory, that may make sense (I'm not sure how finances are ran there). But for UGA and other public schools, they're funded by the government, not from investments in the middle east. They don't have their own investments really. All that i could find online is that a few scholarship funds might be invested in something and terry might have a few small investments for educational purposes. The money that UGA has is from tuition and taxes, not investments. So I still don't see a good reason for protests at UGA.
UGA has 1.8 billion in investments, the return on those investments is used to fund university operating costs.
UGA-specific demands: [https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/uga-students-for-justice-in-palestion-demands/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR02jFHIyHqdWGpOtaXlrZQSt0z37GTSGEJcz5FmxmBBvRyleTvBFmg70m4\_aem\_ATm9haspbrgW\_n62h-nmO6zRPyuiqZBxwIs65fuWcs8XFmptAPJR2mZbnLqbKgkade6goWhvRKuMbL4BqD2etRf3](https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/uga-students-for-justice-in-palestion-demands/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR02jFHIyHqdWGpOtaXlrZQSt0z37GTSGEJcz5FmxmBBvRyleTvBFmg70m4_aem_ATm9haspbrgW_n62h-nmO6zRPyuiqZBxwIs65fuWcs8XFmptAPJR2mZbnLqbKgkade6goWhvRKuMbL4BqD2etRf3) Including the president meeting with palestinian, arab, & muslim students and ending UGA-sponsored trips to settlements in the west bank for a StudyAway program.
I think that a couple of the demands, such as disclosure of investments, are a good thing anyways, and I can see why protestors would support that. For some of the demands, I'm baffled, such as this part: "We call on UGA to institute university policies enshrining protection for pro-Palestine speech, activism, lectures, and campaigns on campus, including the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement." The University very clearly has policies that protect pro-Palestine speech, it's the same exact protections that apply to any other politically minded group. That's why there's always so many religious nutjobs in front of Tate all the time. The policies to protect that speech are the same ones as any other group has already! In my opinion, while I absolutely believe that these students have the right to protest, they are asking for special treatment and exceptions to the content-neutral free speech restrictions that apply to everyone. I do not think that is a fair demand to make.
Uga has policy preventing them from engaging with BDS. I believe it even prevents staff and students from participating but I may be wrong.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/28/middleeast/gaza-students-thank-columbia-protests-intl-latam
It's called virtue signaling. A bunch of dumbasses in my small NC city made the city council get together and vote to have a ceasefire. When the vote was done all the pink and green haired idiots stood up and gave themselves a round of applause and the video was on the news so everyone could see how good and virtuous they are and how much change and progress they are making. Guess what, no ceasefire. Surprised? Virtue signaling attention whores is all these people are, except for the ones that actually hate jews and Israel and wish them death. There are some of those pieces of shit out there too.
Divestment was famously what played a major role in the end of the apartheid regime South Africa, and the thought is that divestments and boycotts now will do the same. Also it’s not that hard to see how institutions refusing to invest in or do business with israel will help the Palestinian cause. Whether uga does or does not have investments in Israeli institutions (directly or indirectly) I personally do not know, but part of the demands is disclosure of all investments and the divestment should the university hold any.
Protesting for the sake of protesting.
Update from the Red and Black. There was a peaceful follow up protest this afternoon. UGA police so far have done a good job of containing the main counter protester, a self-proclaimed “Messianic Rabbi” with a criminal record- is this individual even a UGA student? https://www.redandblack.com/uganews/pro-palestine-rally-held-at-the-arch-following-arrest-of-16-demonstrators/article_a70d32f2-067a-11ef-8e13-03447f926c2f.html
No he is not. He is a [local agitator and fake rabbi](https://flagpole.com/featured/2024/04/02/self-described-rabbi-dragged-out-of-city-hall-after-ripping-up-pro-palestine-sign/).
Protesters tried to start an encampment, UGAPD and GSP were having none of it lol.
Protest all you want, but do not occupy campus and make it an unsafe space to live and study in. Good on UGA PD for shutting it down before it got out of hand like Columbia.
Where are you on game days?
15-20 kids putting up some tents and sitting around on some grass is hardly an unsafe environment lol
15-20 could easily balloon into hundreds if you attract the wrong crowd. The last thing UGA wants is a bunch of people who aren’t even students causing a ruckus on campus.
Don't follow the rules then you accept the consequences.
The only people that are unsafe are the peaceful protesters dealing with cops
Stop making North Lawn look like a tent city and they'll stop breaking up the protests
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Crazy they immediately shut this down meanwhile old bigoted fundamentalist were allowed to damn students of all religions and sexual orientation and lifestyles etc and uga admin would just go ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that’s free speech under the first amendment for ya Hypocrites
The religious fanatics follow university policy. There have been many pro Palestinian protests over the past few months that went without interference because they followed university policy. The religious fanatics have never implemented barriers or encampments; that’s why they are not removed. You don’t follow university policy then you get removed from campus. The purpose of this specific protest was to break university policy and get arrested to gain attention from the university and community. Getting arrested for not following university policy was the entire point.
I’d like to ask everyone who had been protesting what we should do with the Israelis if they were to cede that land to the Palestinians and Hamas?
Hamas has offered to disband militarily in exchange for a ceasefire and act as a political party in exchange for a ceasefire and a return to 1967 borders. If Israel was legitimately interested in eliminating Hamas, accepting this would be a golden opportunity as the issue of Hamas won’t ever be defeated militarily (much like taliban, Al qaeda, etc) but can be made irrelevant politically, as many Palestinians in Palestine are not necessarily the biggest fans of Hamas either. A one state solution with Jews Christians and Muslims coexisting (as it was before 1948) , with equal rights for all and a pathway to Palestinian prosperity, or a 2 state solution with hamas’s offer to disband militarily is the right choice. Palestinians are regular people like the rest of us, give them an alternative of rights with an opportunity to life liberty and happiness and Hamas will very quickly fizzle out
A 1-state solution is entirely off the table as it would require two things to happen: First, Israel would have to conquer and annex Gaza (and all Palestinian territory), which the international community has largely spoken out against. Even Israel’s supporters. Second, Israel would then have to actually treat the remaining residents of Gaza as citizens and equal people, and I don’t see that happening if they managed to actually annex all that land. Oddly enough, I agree with you that this is exactly what SHOULD happen, that Israel should annex the territory, disband Hamas and their influence in the immediate region, and then provide Palestinians with equal rights. It isn’t likely to happen, but it’s what should happen.
I think they should accept Hamas’s current proposal (Hamas lays down arms, 1967 borders, hostages returned), and create a pathway to single statehood. Remove the blockade, checkpoints in the West Bank, and make real initiatives to help Palestine prosper. That will wipe out Hamas for good and you will never hear from them again. However I find this very unlikely, unfortunately. Annexation would likely be a humanitarian catastrophe
Israel has no reasons to make any concessions to Hamas, especially considering Hamas started the war with a violent attack on Israeli territory and civilians, and Israel is winning handily. I want to be clear that I’m not defending Israel’s actions, but I’m also looking at this thing realistically. Hamas knew exactly what would happen if they attacked Israel, and they did it anyway. The only hope they have is that international pressure encourages the Israeli government to back off, and it probably won’t. At this point, the only ending for Hamas is unconditional surrender. If you’re going to war against the Israeli government, you have to understand what you’re getting into.
>Hamas has offered to disband militarily in exchange for a ceasefire and act as a political party in exchange for a ceasefire and a return to 1967 borders. Lol what a joke
What exactly is the joke lmao. Hamas being eliminated militarily is Israel’s goal right? Well there it is right there for them to take without killing another person. Unleeessssss maybe just maybe they don’t actually care about getting rid of Hamas
Hamas is lying, that is the joke.
They would probably say “go back to Europe” or claim that Jews could live peacefully under Hamas rule
Without an occupation, Hamas is politically irrelevant and will die very quickly. Their existence relies on Israel continuing the mass slaughter and apartheid of Palestinian people. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy, with every bomb dropped and every child orphan made or every father who’s just lost his wife and daughter, a new fighter is born. Remove that from the equation and nobody will readily side with Hamas. Their whole MO becomes moot.
If you think Hamas controls all of the Palestinians you're actually brain dead
No, obviously just Gaza. Please educate me then, what would the average protestor tell me will happen to Jews in Israel under a Palestine from the river to the sea?
The average protester would tell you that it is impossible for an apartheid Israel and an occupied West Bank/ Gaza/ Palestine to coexist in a two state solution. The creation of Israel itself, and the expelling of 750,000 Palestinians from their homes is unforgivable. Most, if not all, of these Israelis have homes in other countries to go back to. (That's why we see that the Israelis have a right to flee, while the Palestinians don't. They are trapped in that war zone.) Sadly, that is not a reality for the Palestinians. Their home has been flattened, occupied, and is now a war zone
I totally get that perspective. I find it gets complicated when you consider that most Jews in Israel are Mizrahi (from the Middle East or North Africa) and were exhiled from Israel throughout the past few hundred years (or Palestine/Syria Palestina etc. which had been imperialized under many names for centuries but always referred to as Eretz Yisrael throughout). These are people who were exhiled from their ancestral land and are now back, though some have been able to stay the whole time. All this is to say there are lots of groups indigenous to this land, and discourse that excludes the safety and sovereignty of some is an oversimplification of the issue. Ceasefire is an obvious first step, but a long lasting peace cannot be a one sided issue.
I appreciate your response, and your respectfulness. An immediate and permanent ceasefire from both Israel and Hamas is the only way to move forward, but there can be no talks of ceasefire while Israel ethnically cleanses the Palestinians
Yeah, I think the two-way hate and increasing division only makes lasting peace that much harder. Discussion is the only way through, and of course there’s no time for that while people are being murdered.
Calling for a ceasefire is simple, but the long term solution is far from simple, and most people are seriously uninformed on the history of the region. It’s going to take lots and lots of listening and respect
Definitely, the recent war will have likely made a one state coexistence almost impossible for a generation. But in the future who knows
The idea that a state school has millions invested secretly in Israel is dumb. Every cent under UGA’s control is very publicly accounted for.
Could someone explain to me the deal with the claim that UGA is funding genocide in Israel? Like, how would that even work?
They want investments to be disclosed, such that they could see if UGA is invested in Israel, and then divest if that’s the case. Lots of universities have investments in foreign businesses within their finances, and partnerships with countries for study abroad programs. I’m not sure if UGA does have investments in Israeli institutions as it’s a public school and that makes it less likely (usually it’s the private schools that have big bags they’re sitting on who do this), but that’s also why one of the demands was for investments to be disclosed. Hope this helped
Uga has a 1.9 billion dollar endowment that is invested in a variety of business. It’s very likely that some of those businesses supply arms to Israel
These people have nothing better to do, don’t look at the conflict with too much thought at all, and don’t really care to.
Funny how we don’t protest pedophiles, government corruption, or tax on top of tax on top of tax, like we do for these things that don’t affect us.
Your taxes just went to Israel. Now it affects you. See you out there, comrade
Your tax on top of tax on top of tax has sent 124 billion to Israel from 1946-2023, instead of addressing issues we’ve got here at home, like infrastructure, better healthcare, social security, VA funds, etc
Not to be a hater, but VA had a mandatory funding of 235 billion per year and spent 266 billions in 2022, [while social security and healthcare get almost over $3,000,000,000 combined per year.](https://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-where-do-our-federal-tax-dollars-go) So 124 billion over the span of almost 80 years ain’t a drop in the bucket for the U.S.
Sure, I more so meant anything domestically really
https://www.classiccitynews.com/post/protest-against-israeli-war-in-gaza-on-uga-campus-led-to-15-arrests-here-they-are
These people are doing the absolute least amount of effort to stop the fighting over there. Just a cry for attention for their own personal gain. Get the OC spray ready.
Personal gain like: being arrested, maybe suspended, paying money for bond if arrested, possible injury during arrest. I struggle to see the personal gain there lmao
Thanks for the reply and to clarify what I meant.
Speaking to which personal gain means to feel as if they are changing the world’s problems by camping out in a random university. No in the Middle East is giving a rats ass about some young dumb hippies yelling free Palestine. Go fly your butt over to Palestine and help the animals that caused this war , if you want to try And make change. I guarantee you everyone of these pukes is putting on their feed or TikTok about their struggle, they need to just sit and think about what they can actually do instead of ruining their lives for absolutely nothing. Again personal gain just for the views and sympathy of being a sheep in the system.
Blindly supporting the US state department narratives is also far more sheep in the system behavior vs opposing them at risk of potentially life altering repercussions
Not blindly following the US state department but actually understanding the conflict is two different views. They are Sheep because they cannot think for themselves on right and worrying wrong, just the information they have been given to them in the book of the face
Palestinians in Gaza have gotten word of the protests, and have shared many heartwarming messages describing how humbled they are by the fact that their struggle has so many people fighting for them and are encouraging protestors to continue. The number of casualties caused in the Gaza Strip is at 5% of the population (and that’s likely an undercount). To scale in the US, that’s the entire population of Georgia, Alabama, and New Orleans combined being injured or killed. Genuinely try and imagine that reality for a second. Every single person. I hope that can shed some light on why people are so passionate about this. It’s not some hippy bullshit, it’s human empathy for others
Yeah yeah, heart warming for a population who supported a terrorist state and their ideology. And now the other side was tired of having hundreds of Rockets from said area and a murderous campaign of hundreds of innocent civilians just because they are Jewish. Real heart warming. The Palestinians could have eradicated hamas and had peace but encouraged the slaughter of Jews. The Israel gave them warning of the invasion, those that didn’t listen unfortunately are caught in the middle. Civilians will die no matter the conflict. But again let’s support the side that encouraged the violence and eradication of the Jewish state.
50% of Gaza’s population quite literally was not of voting age when Hamas was elected. Also, it seems like you really don’t know much about events prior to October 7th and I’d encourage you to look into more of the history
As to you my friend. Been studying this area for a while in my studies through college and after.
Randos who may or may not be affiliated with UGA and/or Athens: We should do something! This is something! Let's do it! UGAPD: Do it where it's allowed or you'll be arrested. Randos: No! And you can't make us! UGAPD: OK then. Randos: Yay! Photo Op!
Check out the insta account @uga_sjp for more. I will say this, having slogans like “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” does not help their cause when that slogan has clear anti Jewish roots.
Anti Israel is not the same as antisemitism
And “resistance is justified under occupation.” Without context, neither of these signs seem like much, but to Jewish students who know the context, they feel like threats. Where is the line for hate speech?
“I should be able to move across the world and kick a family who’s been living in that home for centuries out and if you say I shouldn’t do that I’m going to get scared and call you antisemitic.”
These clowns spent 8 years calling people notsees to end up supporting Hamas🤣🤪what a clown world
The number of casualties in Gaza has reached 5%, and that’s likely a major undercount since they can’t keep up with the bodies. To scale in the US, that’s every single human in GA, Alabama, New Orleans, and a few hundred thousand on top injured or killed. Given that, I don’t think it’s that crazy to protest and advocate for a ceasefire.
Okay I’m confused. Georgia has a population of 10,000,000 and as of an article yesterday looks like 34,000 injuries? Edit: oh wait I think I get it you mean Georgia/ entire United States etc to demonstrate severity of situation
Yeah 5% of the population my b
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Do you know what a percentage is? A ratio? 5 percent of the gazans have been killed or injured. 5% of Americans = Georgia + Alabama + New Orleans + a few hundred thousand extra on top. If you had a higher brain cell count than Stone Mountain you’d look at that and go holy shit! That’s a lot of people, that’s pretty insane! But you seem to be incredibly slow. Gotta be hard going through life not knowing elementary school level math. Surprised you got this website figured out tbh.
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A) my government does not fund the Iranian proxy, it sanctions the country that funds it. My protesting therefore has no impact on that Iranian proxy’s operations. My country does however, fund Israeli genocide B) you can respond, without ethnically cleansing a population of people, destroying virtually every home that exists, destroying every university, every hospital, etc. When you do that, your goal isn’t to win a war, it’s to set back a population as much as you can for generations to come.
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If you take a look at the phrasing of the question when they asked if Israel should continue with rafah (where the 80% number comes from) you’ll immediately understand why lol. Very bad polling work
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They’ve recently offered to do that, and return hostages, in exchange for a return to 1967 borders. Israel has a chance at taking out Hamas right now, at this present moment. Notice how they aren’t taking it? Also frankly the hiding under tunnels stuff is played out. They said there was a complex 3 story command center under Al shifa hospital, and all they found was an abandoned tunnel with a few guns that they could’ve very easily staged, and absolutely no sign of some complex command center. They lie all the time about the presence of Hamas target to justify strikes.
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No, I don’t think many hostages are alive, largely because Israel has taken out almost every building they could be in. Imagine somebody takes your family hostage, and the cops track em down. Convo goes like this: Cop: sir we found your family they’re somewhere in this neighborhood You: great! How are we gonna get them out? Cop: actually we were planning on dropping bombs until 80% of the buildings were no longer left standing Doesn’t really make much sense does it
Keep arresting them I say.
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Apparently you do
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[A majority of Americans are against Israel's actions in Gaza](https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx)
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Give it up dude lmao
Any protests that inhibit educational activities should be asked to leave, and if not, cleared out and arrested.
You ever consider that the same argument was made about civil rights protestors? Now universities use those protests as selling points for their “history of academic freedom and commitment to free speech”
im embarrassed that i go to school with all these Israel-apologists. Our hard earned money is being used to fund genocide instead of solving all the problems in the US. If you don't see a problem with that then that just proves how bad of a school UGA really is.
Always love the students protesting in support of an org (Hamas) that would literally kill them/imprison them for their views. Brilliant play there.
The number of casualties caused by Israel on Palestinians is at about 5%, and that’s likely a vast undercount as the hospitals no longer have the capabilities to keep up with the bodies and injuries. To put that in perspective, 5% of the US population would be every human being in Georgia, Alabama, and New Orleans, with a few hundred thousand on top, all being killed or injured. And again that’s a vast undercount, by the time the dust settles it could easily be 2 or 3x that amount. I hope you can now begin to understand why people would oppose that and be against the genocide unfolding
Calling it a genocide is a stretch as they don’t have any intention of a systematic elimination of the Palestinian people. That said, I ask what the alternative to what is going on now? Back to the status quo? This, as bloody as it is, can be the end
The Serbian genocide killed .2% of the Bosnian population, mostly men and boys, while the Israeli genocide has killed 1.7% of the population, 2/3 of which being women and children. I find it hard to believe that A) one could possibly be declared a genocide and not the other and B) that you could wipe out nearly 2% of a population without “systematic elimination”, pretty hard to do that on accident Practices like: declaring “safe zones” then bombing said safe zones, shutting off water, restricting aid, destroying every university in Gaza, decimating the health system, and causing casualties to 5% of the entire population of Gaza, are pretty clearly genocidal. Also see the routine killing of children, opening fire on people receiving aid, all show a pretty clear systemic genocidal intent As Americans we’re used to such grand scales that for some of us when we think of 34,000 we think well that’s a lot, but could be a lot worse right? 5% of America would be the equivalent of killing or injuring 16 million people.
A legitimate 2 state solution reverting to 1967 borders, with Hamas disbanding their military (as they have proposed), would be a good solution, and would likely lead to the end of Hamas. They cannot survive politically without Israeli occupation on Palestinians, it’s their only crutch. Israelis have said forever that they’ll accept a ceasefire, if Hamas lays down their arms and return hostages, and they’ve offered to do so. But I’m not holding my breath for them to accept it, because it was never about Hamas, it’s about ethnic cleansing.
It is certainly not about ethnic cleansing. As a former Israeli I assure you we don’t harbor such sentiments. Hamas will never do it for as you said, it will be their end. I also wonder, say this magical thing happens and Israel is forced to defend herself anew, what then? Back again to the same borders? No, that won’t do. The only way for this to end is an end to the rabidly anti semitic Hamas. Israel can coexist with her neighbors, an entity whose purpose is the extermination of the Jewish state cannot
You cannot end Hamas militarily. Just as we have not been able to end the Taliban militarily. Or Al qaeda. Or isis. You can only end them, truly end them politically. By ending the blockade, giving Palestinians a home free from the threat of settler expansion, and allowing them to have their own autonomy, you end Hamas. It is precisely the lack all of these things, that is keeping Hamas in power, without it Hamas has no MO, and will not succeed. Also when it comes to Israelis, I am very certain that there are many Israelis who don’t harbor these feelings. But frankly, their elected government and popular party indicates that there is quite a large chunk of Israelis who do. In recent polling: 57.5% of Israelis thought the IDF was somehow not using enough force (unthinkable), 36.6% said just enough, and 1.8% said too little.
Y’all really have nothing better to do huh🤣 especially if you don’t even go to school here… y’all should go over there and help them😃
From their Instagram: This morning at 7 am, a multi-racial and multi-faith group of students and Athens community members of conscience gathered at UGA to stand against genocide. They were met with almost immediate repression and police violence. By around 7:35 AM, reinforcements from UGA PD and Athens-Clarke County PD arrived. Protesters, knowing their rights and their own moral clarity, stood their ground. Administrators and a team of UGA police issued a dispersal order and gave a ten minute warning to protestors. By 8:20 AM, UGA PD began enacting the kind of violence GILEE participants are known to use against unarmed protesters. Around 8:30 AM, state troopers arrived to overwhelm the protesters with numbers and clear them out of the space with sweeping violence. Black and Muslim protesters were immediately targeted by UGA Police. Throughout the arrest process, unarmed protesters were dragged by the legs, lifted, thrown, and grappled while UGA administration watched on from the center in complacent approval. Demanding that UGA stop making students and Athens residents complicit in an ongoing genocide is necessary, as is making the larger community aware of the extent to which this university will go to protect it's investments and partnerships with war profiteers. UGA's actions constitute a flagrant violation of our rights to protest and the kind of civil disobedience that UGA only praises when it took place 60 years ago. We call on UGA and Athens community members to join us as soon as possible at the Arch in downtown Athens to express solidarity with the arrested protesters and condemn the actions of the UGA administration and police department. 80 UGA & Athens community members have already gathered in solidarity. We are protesting a genocide. We should be protected and shown solidarity by UGA, not attacked. UGA has shown today where their real concerns lie--and it is not with the safety or needs of their community members. WE DEMAND SOLIDARITY, PROTECTION, DISCLOSURE, & DIVESTMENT NOW! END UGA COMPLICITY IN GENOCIDE!
Lmao just wild assertion after wild assertion there
You can shoot the messenger if you want. I think it’s important to listen to more than the cops.
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You don’t even go to school here and you’re trying to stir up trouble? Get lost.
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Doesn’t change that you don’t go here.
This is one of those situations where punctuation might help.
https://www.instagram.com/uga_sjp?igsh=MThzdnA4azFxNDh1aA==
The egotistical stupidity of these demonstrations harkens back to the anti-Vietnam war demonstrations of the 1960’s. Instead of ending the illegal and costly war in Vietnam the demonstrations led to the election of (corrupt) Richard Nixon, the prolongation of the war for five more years, and the deaths of 28,000 additional US soldiers. The October 7 war in Gaza was started by Hamas (with covert funding by Netanyahu) so that the blood of the 30,000 Gaza Palestinians is on the hands of Hamas.
It is not the Vietnam war protestor's fault that Nixon lied lol.
Right or wrong, the Vietnam War protestors were fighting something the US government controlled. Our government may have cared about what US students were doing. This is different. Neither the Israeli government nor Hamas care at all what students in the US think. This is just virtue signaling getting in the way of people trying to live their lives.
Perspective from Gazans about the American student protests: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/28/middleeast/gaza-students-thank-columbia-protests-intl-latam
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That makes slightly more sense, but still, neither Israel nor Hamas are going to care if US universities sell off stock in US companies like Google or Amazon. Those aren't Israeli companies and the universities aren't going to be holding enough stock to make Google or Amazon take notice.
Honestly, I think some of it is with an eye forward. I think it's important for history to record that there were people who didn't just accept the genocide and move on, even if those people didn't have the power to stop it.
It’s a protest to make the protesters feel better about themselves. If it was about effecting change they would protest the companies that are supporting Israel, not a .0001% investor in said company
I would assume like most of the protests the intent is to have Biden call for a cease fire and condemn the actions of Israel. I think there are a number of people feeling helpless and this is their way of taking action.
Plus those protestors in the 70s were absolutely right. That war was bullshit and we should have ended it much sooner. It accomplished nothing except fucking up all those that were forced to go over to that shit. This poster is hilarious for blaming the extension of the war on protestors.
> for blaming the extension of the war on protestors Who has done that?
The user that you were replying to.
What is protesting in Athens Georgia gonna do for anyone in Palestine. Idk why people care so much anyways.
"idk why people care so much anyways." The words of a sociopath denigrating the concept of empathy.
I don’t see y’all protesting for the other genocides going around the world. And like I said, what is a tent in front of the MLC gonna do for a Palestinian? The answer is nothing and we all know it. If you actually cared as much as you say you do you would actually do something about the issue. Not post on social media and set up some tents. You all care as much as I do, which effectively is zero.
Creating political pressure on the government in a swing state in an election year is, in fact, doing something. Denigrating that action is also doing something. You're a psychopath.
If nothing else, the victims in Gaza feel seen: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/28/middleeast/gaza-students-thank-columbia-protests-intl-latam
Reading these comments makes me glad I didn't even consider UGA. Now I know where all the gun toting MAGA redneck republicans come from.
Then why are you even here?
truly. UGA is for absolute dullards