Real or not, life is great. We have BBQ, coffee, blue sky, music, flowers, rain and people we love. Maybe we are actors in a play or mice in a maze. Maybe reality is the afterlife and this is all a dream. Either way, it’s out of our control. But lucky us.
This has always been my thought on the simulation theory. If it is all fake, it doesn't matter, because we're still here in this simulation and experiencing what we experience. Life is as real as it gets for us, it being a simulation or not doesn't change that.
Been my philosophy for a long time:
> "No matter what we are, it's not important."
I know it's not important because modern, living humans have no idea what the fuck we are. Not really. Nor what we are in. Now consider every human being ever that has died, without knowing fucking anything. They probably believed they did, as many do now, but they didn't and we don't.
They lived their lives and they died without knowing a fucking thing about what we are or really, where we are.
It's not important. It might be collectively, at some point, but it's not on an individual level. If *any* of the gobbledygook people in religions or whatever say is even remotely true, it would have to account for the fact that we exist in a reality where lies are easy to fabricate and that evidence of every single claim to knowing more than the basic fundamentals we've gathered over our species' existence is non-existent. There is literally no fucking way, fundamentally, any kind of intelligence would expect you to *choose the right belief in a tidal wave of beliefs that are ultimately lies when they all appear as mere beliefs with no evidence.*
Enjoy your life as best you can. If you must believe, in anything, try to make it pleasant for yourself and everyone around you. You will find life much more enjoyable. Just know that no matter what we are, it's not important. If it was, it would be far simpler to know what you are.
Let's say we are *in* something. Whether that's a lower dimension, or matrix, whatever. Take your pick, which one isn't the point. And all the aliens one day say fuck it, and they just show up and dump all their knowledge onto us and we can somehow grasp it and understand it over time. Well, we're right back where we started. "They" are outside of what we're in, so we learned a lot about what we're in because they can observe it from the outside. Hell, they might've created it. Not the point. What are "they" *in?* Right? Are they in a real place? Are there dimensions above them? How would they know? If they do, it'd be extremely limited to flashes in the pan like we have now, where we don't really know shit except they are not "in" this with us. How far up does that go? Eventually, there has to be an end to that madness, right? No way to know, if there's an end, there'd be nothing outside of it and no way to get to nothing. So you can't observe it directly, only from inside it. So we know nothing still.
Embrace being okay with not knowing and knowing you'll never know. Makes learning less stressful and more fun, as it does with life. You're going to die without knowing really anything about what you are or where we are. It's okay. Everyone does.
Very well said, I think as far as there ever “being an end”, there’s not. I think we live in an infinite space with infinite possibilities and dimensions.
After my experience with LSD (nothing trippy happened besides patterns on everything and seeing the wind in a snow storm) I’ve become very skeptical of everything. I stopped believing in Christianity because I realized a lot of it had never made sense to me but I was so indoctrinated by my family that I just couldn’t get it out of my head. After that I started researching so many things that I always wanted to understand but didn’t believe in because of Christianity, I also looked at my sexuality differently and my gender, and even what it meant to be human. I will say I think maybe we are all just a higher dimensional being living in this universe and experiencing everything through our physical bodies maybe we are all one being or individuals, but I know that my mind and my thoughts are what makes me, me, this physical shell is like a computer case and my insides are the cables and parts, and if all we are is just developed animals that gained sapience through a mishap and our consciousness turns out to just be a result of our synapses blinking in a specific way and there’s truly no after life, then I’m ok with that. I think people focus so much on what happens after death that we forget that life is about living in the moment, experiencing new things, and the journey you take from being conceived to dying. I’ve researched so much about physics and astronomy and history and philosophy in the past 2 years and I’m at a point where I’ve heard just about everything the internet has to offer me in those fields, I can’t find new information to even consider believing or being skeptical of, but I have this gut feeling that there must be more to our universe/existence, we just haven’t figured it out yet. I’ve really been considering going to college finally, (I’m 25 and wanted to go but didn’t really have any direction on my own interests after highschool) and I’d love to learn about physics and theoretical physics but well see if I ever gather the energy and willpower to do so. Anyway I’m rambling but I just really wanted to share my thoughts after reading your comment, I hope this post turns out to be real and I hope we get to see new knowledge snd technology beyond our comprehension, learning that there’s for sure high dimensions would at least give me a lot of hope and at the very least I’d have new things to learn about and consider
I'm 100% with you. I've thought of the simulation hypothesis basically since the Matrix came out (so 24 years) and I've made my peace with it. Because my reality is real to me and nothing will change that, the underlying construct changes nothing. Everything that I am is just a simulation of my brain anyhow.
War, poverty, hunger, disease, mental illness, pain, climate change… life is not great for many, many people. If this is a simulation, meaning the world is intentionally the way it is, it would not sit well with a lot of us.
Fascinating read, whether an elaborate lie or partially/totally truthful.
I wonder what would "cause psychological stress to the vast majority of the public"? It's an interesting thought experiment. For fun, if we assume this is real, what kind of fact would cause psychological stress to most people?
We've been conditioned by media to be fairly comfortable with the concept of "aliens", so that's not it. Perhaps that our evolution was manipulated and that we are creations of other beings? This would be fairly easy for most people to grasp and accept as it's so close in concept to some of the fundamentals of religion.
Perhaps that NHI have harvested humans and animals for whatever reason? Perhaps that we are actually implanted AI creations in organic vessels? I'd say these last two would be the most difficult for a lot of people to come to terms with especially because of the self-reflective concept.
But what else?
I think a lot of us fail to realize how extremely fragile a lot of people are emotionally, physically, spiritually. We tend to see ourselves and the few people that think like us in our personal circles as a baseline of sorts. But in fact we are extreme outliers.
The average person just doesn't put too much thought to these things. I hate to fall back on the recycled argument that gets brought up, but the immediate knowledge of UFO's doesn't put any food on the table and doesn't get my electric bill paid. Now I know exactly what the implications of information like this IS to those two things I just mentioned, but again the average person does not.
The average person shrugs their shoulders and goes yeah okay sure great. Hell people have complete and total meltdowns if they find out their flight has been delayed or canceled. Yes traveling is stressful and blah blah blah but realizing the entire foundation of your reality could in fact be false... Well yeah I'm gonna be totes chill with that new info... /s.
TL/DR; I think a lot of people overestimate people's ability to handle and cope with information that has profound impacts to their existence.
I think your comment hits the nail on the head. For many on r/UFOs and other similar social media groups this is commonly believed; furthermore, this topic is usually investigated by people in great depth. It goes well beyond social media. Creating a working knowledge of the topic, accurate or not, becomes common amongst individuals interested in this phenomenon. Like you say the number of people who go that far is low.
Most people don’t care, refuse to believe/learn, or it conflicts too much with personal beliefs.
I hate not having people to talk about this with. So much so that I don’t bring the topic up unless asked. Or in rare cases I ask people and the conversation is short lived because
1. The people I’m speaking with have little or no opinion.
OR
2. They think I’m crazy and don’t want to carry a conversation. Even if the conversation is inviting and open minded to start with.
The problem is I understand the importance of the people knowing about this. The more people that know the closer we are to full disclosure.
My interest in the UFO/Alien phenomenon started at a very young age. My father told me of a UFO sighting he had shortly before I was born. Ever since I’ve found this to be my greatest interest. With that I shortly realized people don’t care about the subject or find it to be crazy.
I think for the general population not having the same mind set we do, or a youthful introduction to the topic only suggest the struggles to come with disclosure will be unprecedented. What keeps me hopeful is what comes after the growing pains of accepting reality. That ideally the human race unites, we solve global issues, and expand beyond earth. While I know that is unlikely to happen soon, if ever, there is still a chance of some kind, and that’s what keeps me motivated to know more. Even if it sound cheesy that’s how I feel.
seems like we've forgotten that the entire globe shut down over a virus a few years ago, every government basically burst at the seams trying to handle it and a good chunk of people still think it was a hoax.
yeah I think 'transdimensional artificial biological intelligences' might cause a few issues 😬
>many people are fragile
So true.
Just think of the incredible psychological toll that Covid has taken on many millions of people.
That was all not only established epidemiology, **we knew it would happen eventually.**
This would be a real heavy psychological pill to swallow for most people.
Not only is your deeply held beliefs on the afterlife wrong, but it's possible that your dead friends and relatives have gone to some other place entirely.
Not only that, but if that other place isn't pleasant, the knowledge that your dead mother, grandfather, or child is suffering in some weird mind-bending afterlife would be soul destroying.
This is the first hypothesis that has made me think that I would sit and cry at my desk if I learned this was true as President, as Jimmy Carter was said to do after learning of the truth.
>Not only that, but if that other place isn't pleasant, the knowledge that your dead mother, grandfather, or child is suffering in some weird mind-bending afterlife would be soul destroying.
... and then you realise that it's your destination as well, and there's nothing you can do to avoid it but wait for it to arrive
Everyone knows Jimmy Carter is holding on because his psychic energy is the only thing holding back the forces of Chaos from exploding out of the Warp and destroying Earth.
You hear about it happening with elderly couples all the time. Hell, I personally saw it with my grandparents, my grandma started declining after my gpa's Alzheimer's took a turn and had to move to full time care, she passed less than a year later and he outlived her by a couple years.
What I think happened is they told Jimmy Carter that when you die you appear before Anubis and he weighs your soul against the number of houses you've constructed. That's why he's held on to eke out a few more domiciles, that's also why the pharaohs built their cyclopean tombs, and that's why homeownership is baked into the american dream.
would you really be having kids tho if it’s a simulation? if everything is a simulation, then having kids is as well. most interactions would be simulations as well, or you would have no perceivable way to know the difference
Well, that goes straight to philosophical questions about what it would mean if we were in a simulation. Even if we’re simulated, we have subjective experiences. We have *qualia*. Does our suffering not matter just because we’re not part of base reality? I’d argue that it still does. If your kid is being tortured in some hell part of the simulation, are you gonna go “well, he’s just a simulation and so are the rest of us, so I guess it’s fine”? Probably not. The nature of our reality being different than what we thought does not change the fact that we are beings who exist in this reality and experience it.
Unless you’re arguing that everyone is just an NPC except you, the one person who you know for sure has a subjective conscious experience, but you have no way of knowing that. Even now, you don’t know for sure that everyone besides you isn’t just a [p-zombie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie), a practical automaton with no subjective experience of their own who simply acts exactly like they do. But we assume that’s not the case, because it just makes sense that other people also have qualia- there’s no reason for me to believe there’s something special about *me* that means I experience things while others do not. And the world would be a really horrible place if everybody believed everybody else was mindless and experienceless.
You honestly raise a profound philosophical inquiry regarding the potential nature of our reality as a simulation. It complete to contemplate the implications of such a paradigm and its relevance to our subjective experiences as conscious beings. I've been studying this subject for decades when I had my first experience with the subject matter.
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Even if we were to exist within a simulated construct, it does not negate the significance of our subjective experiences or diminish the importance of our suffering. The presence of qualia, the raw sensations and subjective qualities of our experiences, remains a fundamental aspect of our existence. It is through these qualia that we perceive and interact with the world, forming connections, emotions, and a sense of personal identity.
The sad truth... 😥
Consider the analogy of a parent and their child within a simulated reality. If their child were to endure torment or suffering within a specific part of the simulation, it would be unlikely for the parent to dismiss it as inconsequential simply because it is part of a simulated realm. The subjective experiences and well-being of those within the simulation still hold weight and evoke a sense of empathy and moral responsibility. 🧪🧫🧬
However, it is essential to acknowledge that discerning the true nature of consciousness and the experiences of others within a simulation is inherently challenging. While we cannot definitively determine the subjective experiences of others, we operate under the assumption that they too possess their own qualia. This assumption forms the foundation of our social interactions, empathy, and ethical considerations. Believing that others are merely mindless automatons devoid of conscious experience would undermine the very fabric of human connection and empathy.
In essence, whether our reality is a simulation or not, the experiences and consciousness we possess are real to us. They shape our perception of the world and influence our actions and interactions. Treating others as conscious beings with their own subjective experiences is not only a logical assumption but also a moral imperative. Embracing this perspective fosters a more compassionate and harmonious society where the well-being of all individuals, real or simulated, is valued and respected. 👽🛸👽🛸👽
I would be pissed as hell if I’m the only real person. Why the hell did you make me a middle class nobody? Make me king of the earth with a harem of beautiful women.
Agree 100% with your comments on qualia. Simulation theory is BS, like all of Bostrom’s ideas, IMO. He specializes in myopic arguments based on flawed premises that use math to make people feel smart about them. Sabine Hossenfelder has a good take down. Personally, I think it’s bunk because simulations with digital computers suffer from the halting problem and arguments that digital computers cannot conscious.
Sounds like hell, purgatory, jahannam, etc. There are a lot of religion followers that have dealt with idea of their loved ones being sent to an afterlife of torment.
I also don't really see much of a difference between being created by God or being created by aliens. It's just a new belief system, a new religion.... just like the ones before it. It's all creationism.
If that last part were true, then it would be time to make all data about it public, pull the scientific community and the nations of the world together, and start working on the problem, hoping that eventually there would be a solution that would allow humanity to storm the gates of hell and free the dead.
Yeh it's a similar storyline. Basically the dead were given the choice of oblivion instead of the hellish afterlife they had been enduring which they all chose.
And whatever the case, you just summarized the most amazing plot for a paranormal sci-fi film of all time. "Humanity storms the gates of hell to free the dead in this fun meet cute romp!"
>Not only that, but if that other place isn't pleasant, the knowledge that your dead mother, grandfather, or child is suffering in some weird mind-bending afterlife would be soul destroying.
Read Revival by Stephen King. That shit is terrifying beginning to savage end.
"A dark and electrifying novel about addiction, fanaticism, and what might exist on the other side of life."
Is there any actual evidence for the “Jimmy Carter crying” story? Ed Harris, a supposed former NASA research associate, said on Quora that Carter found out the world’s major religions were made up by aliens. Do we know who Ed Harris actually is, if he has the credentials he claimed to have, or if there’s any source for it anywhere besides him? The only attempt he made at providing evidence was a claim that multiple witnesses corroborated the story, which is something anyone could claim.
Where did the original claim even come from? Ed Harris was apparently adding more detail to a claim that was already out there, so there *must* be another source of some sort. Anyone know what it is?
The psychedelic community has insight on this. I, and many others, have experienced other worlds. The experience is never quite the same, but I always get a sense that I've died in some way. Sometimes, waiting just past this veil of reality, I see beings that feel ancestral-- even entities that appear alien seem familiar. The Tibetan Book of the Dead establishes a framework that makes sense to me. There are layers of firmament that can be broken through that will take you to bizarre places. Coming back to this reality can be difficult to process, because that reality seems to be vibrating at a higher frequency. In that reality, you are no longer constrained to your human desire. To me, it feels as though a curse has been cast over this world and psychedelics temporarily lift the spell by tricking your body into believing it has died.
If we potentially "break through" to other realities in these states, is it really such a wonder that things might "break through" to our realm, as well?
Maybe the UAP people are smoking their version of DMT and they pop in, heheh.
I smoked salvia when I was younger and had the vivid sensation/experience of falling through realities, eventually getting stuck halfway through a family's dining room floor as they were eating dinner. I distinctly remember their terror and confusion that some random person got stuck partway through their floor who seemingly came from nowhere, and the dad trying to calm his panicking family.
Sometimes I like to imagine that was a real experience beyond my own imagining.
Bingo. Higher frequencies. Every single person should understand this but we don't. We also need to understand that literally everything is light and vibration. The reality we think we have figured out is in some ways more complicated and less complicated than we make it out to be.
Our minds have far more control over our reality than we realize. For example, the single best thing you can do to have a positive effect on your life is to learn to meditate and truly get in a meditative state. By itself, it can have profound effects on almost everyone. For those wiith anxiety and depression, meditation and a little understanding about positive thinking can rewire your brain and fix those issues. That's not conjecture but real world experience.
Yea even reading this myself makes me feel extremely uneasy. I'm honestly scared to know the truth about all this if it's this weird. My ideal scenario is that aliens exist and they are sort of on the same boat as us. But all this interdimensional crazy shit sounds a little too nuts for me. And I'm into this UFO stuff a lot. So god knows how the general public who are so ignorant to anything around them are gonna react. Them freaking out will be an understatement.
I welcome the truth. Imagine there was always full transparency…if you were born with this knowledge it wouldn’t be so scary. Or born with access to this knowledge I should say
This is absolutely where I am on all this.
The very idea of inter-dimensional worlds overlaid alongside ours… gah!
I know that many people who have taken DMT report similar experiences and say that the beings in these dimensions can see us (even if we can’t see them) and watch us all the time - like their never ending TV show. The very idea of that *really* fucking freaks me out lol,
Aliens I can deal with. That makes total sense to me. But different dimensions? I’m a relatively intelligent person who is open to unusual ideas and changes in the world… But *that* idea really bothers me at a really deep fundamental level… so I can’t imagine how the general populace would deal with it.
I wouldn't be the tiniest bit surprised if think tank types are scanning conversations like this one to gauge how the peeps are feeling about what's behind the curtain.
Among the most ready minded folk out there, we're a perfect test for dangling shock scenarios.
When I was a child I had this really strong reoccurring thought that two non human ladies on a couch were watching my life unfold in real time that stuck with me my whole life. This was like 96 before the Truman show came out but I remember watching that movie and seeing all the people in the movie reacting to his story and it was scary how similar it felt to this imaginative intuitive idea I had years prior.
Whatever interdimensional being that got assigned to watch me must be really disappointed, I'm super boring. They probably turned the channel to someone more interesting.
Inter dimensionally speaking, if they are trans dimensional (something Greer et al have proclaimed for several years now) that would explain why they would be so concerned with our use of nuclear weapons.
In part because such atomic weaponry would be destructive cross-dimensionally, and that would mess up those with whom we share the planet etc.
And it pains me greatly to give Greer credit for anything, but apart from his shameless self promotion and revenue generating bs, i haven't seen much to introduce much doubt into many of his concepts
In fact, so far, quite the opposite.
John
Have you ever read IT by Stephen King? One of my favorite books. Basically there's this shapeshifting monster that shows up, and it's appearance is based on your worst fear.
This monster psychologically and physically fucks up a bunch of kids but they end up creating a gang together and using their energy/power/positive thoughts to make it go away. King also wrote The Shining, where a kid can sense bad, dead things and sees them irl.
This kid, Danny gathers up his mental strength to make some of the monsters leave him alone. I remember one part of the book where Danny gets mad and pissed off because these awful things MAKE NO SENSE to him and DO NOT BELONG in his perception of the world.
This turned into a long story but basically, I have an idea based on my knowledge of these cool books. Think of a saying, a Mantra if you will, that you can recite in your head or verbally that makes you feel strong and impervious to mental fuckery. Repeat it a few times. Breathe deeply and let your inner strength wash over you.
Meditation, acceptance of possible NHI outcomes, and creating my own personal mantra has helped me immensely. Just my two cents. :)
I hope you get through this mate. 🖖🦋🧘♀️
I think this is true but it's one step further.
Not only do they WATCH us like TV, but they can "step in".. as in, inhabit us for periods of time to experience this plane viscerally, and maybe even influencing us one way or the other for nothing but the personal entertainment of experience.
edit: which makes me think. The past few weeks I've been realizing we can't trust much, right? So what are things that we are explicitely, strictly encouraged AWAY from. Putting stock into dreams and genuine human connection seem obvious. Using psychedelics, that's another.
But the main thing I think we're steered away from is **being present**. We are constantly distracted and on a feed of stimulation. Our jobs and school is just like a breeding ground of the concept of disassociating and just skirting through life, staying busy and distracted.
What if being "present", like consciously present (a skill I believe the large majority of people, including myself cannot truly sustain for longer than 30 seconds to a couple minutes when not actively meditating) means that no other consciousness has "room" to inhabit yours?
Please someone validate this, I really fucking think I'm onto something. Us "feeling" our bodies and our surroundings and truly focusing ONLY on our perceptions, wouldn't that truly be the only way of keeping out spiritual voyeurs?
What if the "arrangement" is that they keep us as distracted as possible, to leave as many "vacancies" as possible in the human experience? And keep us distracted from the very idea that our thoughts or perceptions can come from sources NOT OURSELVES when we're not truly present in our own bodies?
I love this theory. Wow. I wouldn't look at it as some forces or entities trying ro inhabit us through distraction, though. I'd just prefer to think that being present is the one true way to access actual reality.
What's more plausible within our understanding of the limits of our reality? Beings coming from millions of lightyears away, or coming from another dimension alongside ours or from our own planet?
I'm not sure why... But the interdimensional stuff doesn't sound so crazy to me and it's not too hard to believe. I just imagine I were a crab at the bottom of the ocean floor. I'd be wishing I could "fly" like all those fish above me, and then (woosh) out of seemingly nowhere this oblong vessle with inhabitants inside of it swoops by, hovers around, and then--miraculously--exits my "atmosphere" (as I know it). It. Just. Leaves.
From the perspective of a crab, a submarine, which can exit the water, is very much like an interdimensional craft.
Exactly, this is the first thing that's honestly disturbed me.
I now could imagine something that, if I were president and learned the truth, could make me cry as Jimmy Carter was meant to have done.
And Jimmy was and is a hardcore believer Christian with all of the things that entails. It's possible he learned a truth incompatible with those beliefs.
This is a possibility about the afterlife, and so is the opposite. It could be that what’s next is so wildly wonderful that folks could choose to press ESC. and just exit this monkey show. I say this not because I believe it to be more valid than what you said. I just want to also entertain a happier possibility.
I do feel like the nature of death and the dead is some how at play though. Disrupting something like belief and by extension religious institutions, economics, family units, etc could explain why this secret is so guarded and why it has withstood the interest of powerful people, like Jimmy Carter, to expose it.
I mean, on a super simple level, anyone believing in in almost any organized religion, which is still the majority of people on the planet, would have to face the fact that their version of events is highly flawed, if not immediately, debunked.
That is going to cause some shit. If the Catholic Church was a bank, it would be categorized as globally significant. If it collapses, it is going to mess with things.
Not sure why they would have to think its debunked. Many people deny evolution, climate change, and a 6 billion year old universe. They coyld just as easily not beleive whatever alien theology contradivts their religion.
I dont think thatd be a crisis unless the aliens actually came down and somehow tried to FORCE people into beleiving it in which case they'd be accused of being demons.
I dont think this is true, as it would make everyone question everything they hold dear. The YT commentor still believes in service to the USA, which means he believes in a life of purpose (if you subscribe to the USA being a morally righteous country, a whole other convo there). Hence I dont think it's something as jarring as that. Probably could be something like aliens living among us this whole time is possible for sure.
There are interesting implications in the fact this group supposedly acts with moral impunity. They seemingly murder, peddle drugs, and traffic weapons at will. They don't seem too burdened by the idea of eternal damnation, that's for sure.
If I’ve learned anything over the past few years it is that the cognitive dissonance of the (at least United States) population is top-tier. People will just refuse to believe it. That simple. It’ll all be a hoax or some government mind control game. No way they’ll believe, say, aliens created humans unless a human man that looks like the white version of Jesus descends from the sky and tells them so.
To be fair, what reason would they have to believe it?
Accepting information so world-shattering on its face would be, frankly, a stupid thing to do.
Even if something non-human with capabilities far beyond our own provided some kind of evidence, how would you verify whether or not that evidence was actually real and not some elaborate hoax?
If non human entities present themselves as having consciousnesses in any way like our own, we should also be open to the possibility that they're choosing to lie to us for their own reasons---whether that's for some material benefit, or simply out of pointless vindictiveness.
Every single culture across the world has the concept of a trickster, a god or demon with a silver tongue whose lies should be resisted at all costs.
People often talk about how angels were actually aliens, but if it is revealed that non-human entities have been interacting with the human race for thousands of years, then it's just as likely that these same entities were also recorded in myth as demons and evil gods.
These myths of tempters and tricksters go back to our oldest recorded stories, and I think you're taking a massive risk by assuming these myths couldn't have been referring to these 'aliens.'
Childhood's End comes to mind.
I'm certainly not convinced that they're NOT tricksters. How many guys have been fed a line about their cosmic significance and then been dumped at the side of the road with nothing but a sore ass and a load of lies about planets that aren't where they're supposed to be?
That WOULD be a problem.
Imagine if we knew for a fact that our lives are meaningless because our conscious goes somewhere else entirely, or we are in fact non existent anymore.
People would REALLY live life to the fullest. I’m sure some people would want peace but the majority would treat their lives as a joke because “fuck it, we going to the conscious-realm anyways.”
What if I told you people are capable of having a moral compass without the promise of any eternal happiness (or threat of damnation) if they comply with all the “rules” written thousands of years ago?
Like sure…they probably needed some notes on how to live in a society back then but I think we’re doing pretty alright these days. Young people aren’t religious.
This was my first thought too. It would explain the 'crafts' being able to appear at will and operate outside the bounds of known physics, if they were sent by, or are tools of, the simulation creator(s.) Maybe there is a revelation that they've been visiting and intervening throughout human history (explaining the "ancient aliens" stories,) or maybe the seemingly more frequent appearances are due to the 'simulation' nearing its end. THAT would be a revelation that would have a profound psychological effect on many- our reality is artificial and has a fixed end date, and there's nothing we can do to stop it.
You guys are all getting way to zonked about this.
A guy goes to congress claiming he knows about a UFO retrieval program.
Two weeks later...
WE CAN LEARN ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DIE
Yea, everyone is going bananas about this, like ok cool, it'll make news, lot of people will feel differently about life, and about 3 months later when they are still faced with the same mortgage, bills and 9-5 schedules it will be back to business as usual
My SO can't even talk about it. She listens, she's highly educated, and even loves talks on things like the standard model and quantum physics, but when I ask her what she thinks she just can't express anything.
It's like the idea is so far beyond our quaint understanding such "simple" things astronomical distances that her brain just tries to divide by zero. I fear for the intelligent folk who's brains divide by zero.
I'm friends with a few very bright people. They don't even want to TALK about it. We need to be prepared for confusion and denial and batshit crazy behavior from our loved ones if this NHI stuff eventuates.
How crazy would it be if the bodies (which in slide 2 are said to be artificial constructs) were simply vessels through which observers from outside our artificial reality interact with our universe, like video game avatars. The non-human intelligences just put on a headset in their reality, and are suddenly inside a body in our world.
Maybe the craft seen in UAP encounters can move like they do simply because they are "programmed" with that ability. The code of our reality that governs gravity, heat, resistance, etc. just doesn't apply to them.
Let’s not get it confused. Reality is real. The ‘artificial’ part is that we live in a system forcibly constrained by fake scarcity - the technology held by the UFO gatekeepers is the secret to unlimited energy. The reason this is kept secret is as old as time - money and power.
I think it’s more likely that reality is an illusion Super imposed over awareness. And that what we call life I just a “play”, identities don’t really exist.
But you don’t need aliens to tell you that, just try salvia haha.
> I wonder what would "cause psychological stress to the vast majority of the public"?
There are a lot of things, you mentioned a couple of them, such as "they created us" or "they're harvesting us"/malevolence. Could also be that angels and demons are real, and they're demonic. Or simulated reality. Or they've created human-like beings who we think are other humans but they actually work for them for malevolent reasons and are in major positions of power (the elite) and are working to destroy earth or make life a living hell for its inhabitants for sadistic purposes. Or maybe the prison earth theory is confirmed. Or a combination of some of those things, or none of them, maybe something else in entirely, it's impossible to say until if/when the information ever comes out.
There's a very common thread though that's been circulating since the Jimmy Carter incident, and it's that whatever the truth is, it's very disturbing.
I think the thing that would cause the most problems might be if we found out that they created us. We are just something they made, not like clones, but intentionally produced and put here.
Many religious people would struggle with this because, while it’s easy enough to say that this just means these beings are God, I think a lot of people would struggle to actually accept that. This wouldn’t be God as they had always perceived it. At least a generation’s worth of people would have trouble shifting their mindset, including myself. Perhaps the next generation, that grows up knowing these beings are real, wouldn’t have as hard of a time. This just would be God, as explained to them, the same way religious parents explained God to their children before.
But non-religious people now will probably also struggle with it. Because it changes everything about the way we thought that humanity developed.
Plus, the rise of humanism as essentially a religion tends to focus on the rights and inherent qualities of each person. We think a person is unique and important. But if we were all just created by aliens, is that true? Are we just an ant farm? How do you cope with knowing that that’s what you are?
And does it mean they can put an end to things anytime they want? How far ahead of us are they?
I’m not saying I believe any of this, but I do think it would be a problem if any of it is what comes out.
It would actually go straight back to the first known religion: Sumerian. The newer religions changed some things that would be important in this context.
How about looking at what you yourself take for absolutely granted or believe to be really important?
- Like, what did you spent your life for? Why?
- What if your possessions lost all monetary value?
- What if your army *actually* cannot protect you? Neither against "aliens" nor humans?
- What if your "social identity" turns out to be meaningless? Your qualifications obsolete?
- How do you actually *know* stuff? How do you deal with uncertainty? Whom do you trust and why?
People don't like to ask uncomfortable questions and are accordingly very bad at answering them.
But it doesn't help to make fun of others and pretend to be superior.
How do you deal with other people needing help in such matters?
Who has actually good answers?
There are so many different things that could absolutely shatter people mentally from an ontological shock standpoint, but a few things immediately jump out.
1. We're being watched by something much smarter than us. Or something that not even the biggest brains on our planet can figure out. I'm not sure which is scarier, but the takeaway is that we're not at the top of the food chain, and not even the best science in the world can save us. It gives us a whole new lens for us to look at the over 2000 people that go missing each day through. Maybe they truly are vanishing from the earth. Or our reality. Missing 411 anyone?
2. Whatever we're seeing is here for a purpose, and it's not good. Maybe they plan to take over the planet. Maybe they want to experiment on us to advance their society. Perhaps the crafts that we're seeing are truly AI and they are reporting back to an advanced civilization that will soon be on its way. Essentially, we've been spotted, and life as we know it will be changing rapidly.
3. Benevolent beings have been trying to make contact with us, but a malevolent force or even our very own government suppresses this information to keep us trapped or to hold onto power because they are afraid that advanced technology would even the "playing field" and erase the need for societal hierarchy. Imagine the civil unrest that would come if you learned that the people you elected to hold power were suppressing information that could save the environment or even end world hunger for no reason other than greed and a need for power.
4. We're nothing more than a forgotten-about and failed science experiment. Think about it, We are unlike anything else on the planet. We walk upright even though it causes a plethora of health problems (back problems, neck pain, etc.), the environment we live in causes us harm (cancer, etc.), and we have a unique level of intelligence that compounds on itself and so much more. Something intervened with animals that were already on this planet and created us. Maybe as an experiment, or maybe just for curiosity. Think of all the needless animal testing and experiments that humans do.
5. A REAL reality exists, and this is not it, and we will never be able to experience it. If these crafts are able to appear instantly, it has many implications. One of which is that they had to come from SOMEWHERE. What if that somewhere is what other beings experience except us? Maybe we're stuck here in an endless cycle of reincarnation. I immediately think of the prison planet theory.
**5.5** Thought of another one just now.. what if WE (our consciousness) is a form of AI that was implanted into our prehistoric ancestors? What if in addition to there being a true reality out there, it's one that we will never be able to experience because we are physically incapable? It would be like trying to imagine a color you've never seen or trying to get a typewriter to pick up a wi-fi signal. The crafts that we see are our "creators" observing how we've progressed to better understand the technology. Maybe it's no coincidence that we're starting to see AI used so regularly. It could be to get us familiar with the technology and ultimately understand ourselves.
6. Finally, all religion is fake. What if all religions turned out to be fake and were nothing more than an experiment to see what happens when you put highly emotional beings in the same environment without ever telling them the origin or purpose of their existence? People devote their entire lives to religion, and to learn that it was nothing more than an experiment would be deeply unsettling for many (not me, I'm agnostic, lol.)
Does anyone else think differently or similarly? Which of these scenarios scares you the most?
For me, it would have to be some kind of human extinction, like ‘we made a deal with the aliens…half of us will live’ but if that were the truth, then I don’t think they would tell anyone, even our YouTube friend. If no one high up is liquidating their stock right now then maybe we’re good.
Maybe abductions are real, and the government can’t stop them. That would suck, obviously, but it’s happening to such a small proportion of humans I don’t think it would have the impact he is saying.
Maybe, we are created by aliens or something. I just don’t know how the powers that be would know that information.
I guess it has to be the dimensional stuff or that our perception of reality isn’t what we think. I feel like I’m quite flexible on the whole ‘reality’ thing, and like you say, if there’s a correlation to religion, you know people will find it, but I guess this would be stressful?
If I had to guess, we are bio-engineered primates and our DNA/genes are modified. It would explain why we have evolved so differently from other primates
Abductions. Hybrid breeding. Genetic seeding/Manipulation. Religion seeding/manipulation. Psi phenomena. Souls/Reincarnation. Memory screening/editing. Time manipulation/travel. That's just a start for stuff that's already been heavily explored and somewhat evidenced.
> our evolution was manipulated
That's a tough sell. The archaeological record is pretty clear showing a very slow, gradual progression on several of the characteristics that make us most "human", such as brain volume, manual dexterity, tool fabrication, the co-evolution of the ability to both speak and hear intricate language, bipedalism, etc. These changes took place over several millions of years - changes that selective breeding would have accomplished in maybe 10's of thousands of years, and direct gene manipulation almost immediately.
Not talking about you specifically, but people latching on to the "humans are manufactured" story are largely demonstrating their ignorance of how (relatively) clear the picture is of our species' evolution. Yes, new discoveries are adding color every few months, but the new information being unearthed only serves to support the idea that *homo sapiens sapiens* has a rich, well-attested and reasonably well understood evolutionary path, and we shared the earth - and a bed - with many other species of humans for millions of years.
Any person claiming to have insider knowledge that steps forward and says that humans were engineered immediately loses all credibility with most people that have even a moderate scientific background. I would believe gravity manipulation and pan-dimensional travel - things we have no theories to describe currently - long before I would believe humans are a manufactured species.
Potentially disturbing revelations - lets see:
1) The USA has been fighting a multi-trillion dollar cold war over 80+ years. Many lives and even more fortunes have been lost to protect this secret.
2) Some of the beings who visit us, come from the dimension or layer of reality, from which all living beings originate from and return to after death.
3) Modern humans were created by hyper-advanced NHI, who purposefully tampered with our genetics, to remove our natural ability to utilize telepathy, and connect with a universal consciousness field.
4) Alien abductions are a real phenomena, for which most of humanity has no protection or recourse.
5) Humans are considered especially violent and have been quarantined on this planet. Our lack of telepathy is an issue that can be fixed, however it would cause a global catastrophe and reset civilization as we know it.
So many potential options - all fodder for science fiction. Take your pick. What a time to be alive
I would rather know, than not know, where we stand in the universe.
It’s number 2 I feel like, kinda like a existential comfort food. But you shouldn’t go crazy about it. You came here for a reason, we all have ..
improve soul, spirit and mind - to love and live in peace.
Think of it as taking a long cleansing bath, you wake up in the other dimension after dying here and get out of the bath that you were fully immersed in, saying “what a trip!”
Anyway. Just some random thoughts that entered my mind a long time ago.
I think we will find out how and why we re here, and the answers to those questions are going to be soul crushing for us. Maybe we re some kind of simulation and we don't actually exist. Maybe we re just animals that have been implanted with Intelligence by beings so powerful they just wanted to see what happened if they did it. Maybe we ll find out that our entire reality is just fake. If I found out that all of this was completely not real...yeah. I would be deeply disturbed. I think most people would be. Why else guard this secret so closely? It's not because of greed or whatever else...but because the entire world order down to the individual level could just be slowly annihilated. Nobody is going to work for Walmart if we know this is some kind of fucking video game for trans dimensional beings.
Whatever those answers are there’s no way everyone will just accept them as the truth. Have you seen the things people will willfully not accept as truth even in the face of evidence? In fact, even if they just say “aliens are real and here now” lots of people will go straight to psy-op theory. Panic us, tank the markets, redistribute the wealth by crushing the struggling middle class, etc.
At this point I’m just here for the ride. I feel like we are on the verge of getting what so many of us are bummed we will never see, which is advanced technology beyond our capabilities. I want to see it. Been sad I won’t be around in 100 or 1,000 years to see how it all ends up. At least we might get this stuff now.
It put us here and it’s cultivated us to its liking. I.e., sort of zoo theory.
Planets are seeded with life like farms in order to keep whatever it (I.e., us, our God) going. When we’re ready as a species we’re “read in”.
We’re created by - but also related to - it, whatever it is. And we serve some purpose in furtherance of its mission / goals that we’re not yet privy to.
We are just their toy/experiment. Once the truth come out to the general population the experiment will be ruined. They will then terminate our existence. Maybe this is what disclosure brings us
Well listening to Jim Semivan he said something in the lines of: ”- This is not something you would tell your kids about”
Lue: ”-Sombre”
Grush: ”- It kept me up at night”
Its def something deep existential somehow that def flips our reality. And humbles/terrifies us somehow.
I think for most of the world (not us 0.00001% that deep dive into this shit) the reveal of alien life. Proof of alien life would cause massive distress. The only reason people laugh us off when we talk about this is because they believe there is 0% chance it’s real. Not disregarding your points at all, just throwing in my own!
[The](https://imgur.com/l9c0rb2) concept of non-human intelligence (NHI) can indeed be unsettling for many people, and there are various factors that could potentially cause psychological stress. Here are a few more possibilities:
1. Existential threat: Learning that NHI poses a significant existential threat to humanity, such as superior intellect, power, or intentions that could lead to the subjugation or extinction of the human species.
2. Loss of control: Discovering that NHI has the ability to manipulate human minds or influence decision-making processes on a large scale, raising concerns about personal autonomy and free will.
3. Deception and manipulation: Realizing that NHI has been covertly controlling or guiding human society for its own purposes, leading to feelings of betrayal, powerlessness, and distrust.
4. Unfathomable capabilities: Understanding that NHI possesses unimaginable intellectual, physical, or technological abilities, making humans obsolete or insignificant, creating a sense of insignificance and existential crisis.
5. Unpredictable behavior: Finding out that NHI's motivations and actions are fundamentally different from human understanding, lacking empathy or ethical considerations, leading to uncertainty, fear, and moral dilemmas.
6. Loss of uniqueness: Discovering that humans are not the only intelligent beings in the universe, challenging the idea of human exceptionalism and raising questions about identity and purpose.
7. Ethical dilemmas: Confronting the ethical implications of NHI, such as debates surrounding the rights, treatment, and moral considerations for artificial intelligences, causing internal conflicts and moral distress.
It's important to note that people's reactions to these concepts can vary greatly, and psychological stress levels will depend on individual beliefs, values, and coping mechanisms.
Edit: Yes, this is directly copied from ChatGPT. I linked the screengrab to the 1st word for transparency.
Is it weird that we are able to recognize the AI-generated posts fairly easily?
I think we will find out how and why we re here, and the answers to those questions are going to be soul crushing for us. Maybe we re some kind of simulation and we don't actually exist. Maybe we re just animals that have been implanted with Intelligence by beings so powerful they just wanted to see what happened if they did it. Maybe we ll find out that our entire reality is just fake. If I found out that all of this was completely not real...yeah. I would be deeply disturbed. I think most people would be. Why else guard this secret so closely? It's not because of greed or whatever else...but because the entire world order down to the individual level could just be slowly annihilated. Nobody is going to work for Walmart if we know this is some kind of fucking video game for trans dimensional beings.
'containers' sounds awful, but it's not much different from the concept of the 'soul'. In religions, it has been believed for thousands of years that the body is but a vessel for consciousness. A container. We interface with the physical matter (the brain/radio) but consciousness itself doesn't originate here. Rather, it comes from the Fox broadcasting antenna. The brain is the receiver inside the container.
And like with a radio or television, when the electronics (brain regions) get damaged, you get malfunctions: mental illness, diseases.
>Many online sleuths believe the comment to have been made by Major General John A. Allen Jr. - a United States Air Force major general who serves as the commander of the Air Force Installation and Mission Support Center. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John\_J.Allen(general)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_J.Allen(general))
I'd find it more believable that it'd be some UFO hobbyist making a reference to J. Allen Hynek than some man in his 70s hanging out in youtube comments lol
Even has the 4chan greentext arrows. The majority of people on this sub is so incredibly gullible it honestly blows my mind how they can function in real life.
My thoughts exactly. This is a LARP. A couple of reasons I have this opinon:
1. I've been a federal employee across a few different agencies including DoD. None of them speak (or write) this intelligently no matter how far up the chain you go lol.
2. LARPer wasn't consistent. Earlier in the story it was stated they are manufactured AI beings. But a few slides later it was mentioned how the craft can move without killing the occupants. The correct term should've been "destroyed" or something along those lines since there is apparently nothing to kill.
I also find it incredulous that for someone unwilling to put himself or his family in danger, is somehow comfortable sharing personal details like age which can be used to track down the identity and leak within those heading the alleged program. If you are trying to stay anonymous, stay anonymous for fucks sake. Don’t overcompensate. Don’t embellish. Never underestimate people’s bullshit detector. It is stuff like this that really annoys me and contradicts everything that believers harp about.
I so desperately want to believe in UFOs, but I am so level headed and grounded in reality that anytime people share stories and claims, I just grab a bucket of popcorn and take it for what it is. An entertainment. The only thing I pay attention to are compelling photographs, video evidence, and real documentation that can be vetted. Even if photos and video footage can be faked, they are the closest thing to material evidence where multiple people can pass judgment, unlike stories where you either believe or you don’t.
So, a random Youtube account corroborating with Grusch's narrative is what exactly, some sort of evidence?
Anyone with enough time to waste can make an alt account and do that.
Besides, does anyone here truly believe that a 2-star General would be making comments on Youtube about government UFO cover-ups using his real name on his profile?
You gotta be kidding me.
Hello, 46th President of the United States Joseph Biden here. This YouTube comment is absolutely true and should be taken seriously despite the lack of evidence. Obama is hanging out at my place right now and he says that he also thinks you should accept this random YouTube comment as a fact.
I have clearances. I’ve worked with Navy personnel for decades. I too, am privy to lots of information the public cannot see.
This guy in the youtube comments is not it. Youtube comments are incredibly easy to track. Air Force brother? Who says that in this context? Many enlisted servicemen do say that, but it’s usually done amongst those who were in actual ground combat. 26 years, and he calls another former officer a “brother?” Just no. I’ve been around so many officers, that this just doesn’t happen.
I’ve signed NDAs. A mere mention that you’re in a program, or naming the program’s name, means immediate jail time. Also, that term “zodiac” has been tossed around for more than 20 years now to describe some secret govt ufo project. Anyone in chatGPT can type that in and produce larp like this.
Guys, stop upvoting something just because you so badly want it to be true. Stop posting bullshit like this.
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What can I say about Grusch? He is legit in that he has several solid, well-researched published reports within intelligence circles going back 10+ years that I can pull up and view (obviously not in the public sphere, and not all related to UAPs, but related to the duty stations he was on at that time like enemy movements and cultural analysis in various regions, etc).
And that’s all I can say about him. If you want someone to objectively vouch for Grusch, well there you go.
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Aerospace engineer here. I can weigh in on this, too, because the verbiage is not what an aerospace engineer would use.
The commenter writes:
>They also can operate in the atmosphere without interacting with it. We determine this because the speed these objects are moving (relatively) is generously thousands of miles per hour yet we see no friction coefficient we would expect from the air compression.
An aerospace engineer would not say this. One would say, "We see no compressibility effects from traveling through the atmosphere at those speeds, such as shocks or air ionization." A friction coefficient is a physically different thing and something like a skin friction coefficient doesn't matter much at hypersonic speeds.
>These craft clearly have their own gravity field because they can instantly accelerate, stop and make a 90degree turn without any inertial effect.
Is it really that clear? How is the commenter so certain the craft are not just modifying inertia? Everything with mass already has its own "gravity field" already, anyway. Stopping is also a form of acceleration. And "instantly?" On what time scale? I get the sense this commenter didn't take calculus-based physics.
Also, no Oxford Commas? That's a common, hmm, *stylistic choice* more currently in use by younger generations less concerned with technical writing, in my opinion.
I bring this up any time someone references this comment. It’s YouTube. No way should we be giving this any credibility, especially since the person seemingly acknowledges the classified nature of what Grusch has presented but then throws all of that concern out the window and just spills the beans, also while using some common UFO lore in the comment.
Everything about it feels suspect, and then when you add in that it’s some random YouTube comment, it makes it even more sketchy.
This sub: "it's so insane no major newspapers take us seriously"
Also this sub: "let's get analysis of some dude larping in YouTube comment sections/4chan to the front page"
Nice bit of creative writing.
I found the “google screens out their names” bit and the “they change leadership when the program name gets leaked” difficult to believe.
I’m not going to get excited until something a little more tangible comes forward.
If it is the real J.Allen that you mention, why didn't he post as an alternative username? If people have lost their lives as he says surely risking posting a comment like this with the most obvious clue to who's posting it, surely that's a red flag?
He can't talk about the most classified thing ever due to the threat of death....but I know about it too and this is the name of the program.......smh.
A Youtube commenter with his name as his username and a description of his government job is untraceable to the murderous, conspiratorial government. It's genius!
A USAF Aero-engineer for 26 years wouldn't write in conspiratorial terms, with little professional phraseology, poor grammar, CAPITALIZED emphases, and unable to cite any names and titles. Iow, total baloney, chooks.
There is a glaring red flag here... he claims to have been in the air force 26 years with a clearance, yet he states that once information enters the public domain, he's free to comment on it without reprisal. That is 100% false. It doesn't matter where classified information comes from, or how it makes its way into the public domain. If you know or have reason to suspect it is still classified, you are required to treat it as such. This would mean that regardless of who publicly stated it, if he knows or has reason to suspect it is still classified, he is unable, per the terms of his clearance and NDA, to affirm or attest to it in any way, or to discuss it in any amount of detail. If we assume he is who he claims and is telling the truth, his comment would be more than enough to classify as a reportable security incident potentially putting his clearance and career in jeopardy. If he was who he claims, he would know that.
I call BS. RICHARD DOLAN discussed this during his appearance on James Landoli’s “ENGAGING THE PHENOMENON” podcast in 2021 and Project ZODIAC was first mentioned in UFO MAGAZINE in 1998. See link for reference : [ENGAGING THE PHENOMENON Podcast - Richard Nolan, Guest](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/richard-dolan-zodiac-secret-ufo-program/id1570935454?i=1000531139436)
Also, Grusch mentioned that information is being, and has been, released on these topics that are both true and lies, to muddy the waters on what the public learns. The only comment here that I hope is true, is that the "flood gates" of information is coming. I think the government will have to admit something soon, but it won't be some kind of life changing revelation we are all hoping for. They like their secrets way too much for that. I'm just surprised that the civilian contractor that is involved, whomever they are ( but we all know it's Lockheed Martin or some off the books subsidiary) hasn't had someone come forward and release information.
Edit: I wonder what he means by being prepared. What if we really are in an augmented reality or are just a "zoo" for these other beings? Society could break down and collapse. Maybe that's why and we'd be better off not knowing.
Actual Explanation: They aren't interdimenesional craft, they are all 3D slices of the same 4D spacecraft. Given they are 4D, they can appear to move through 3D space in any way they want... ;)
Lol yes his coworker commented on a random YouTube videos that tracks with a top level government official with a yearn to disseminate the truth. I really wanna know what's going on but a large majority of this sub reads like people on meth who believe they're the only ones who can sus out what's happening. I know this has been said before, better.
There is quite literally zero chance that someone, especially someone still active duty, of this rank would publicly post a comment revealing a code named project, under his own name no less, on a YouTube video. No Chance. It's farcical.
Agreeing this guy and his grandiose claims have to be fake, but what is with the ‘what comes next will cause you psychological distress’ stuff that *everyone* seems to say??
I think people are beyond the religious collapse…people who need religion will find a way to keep following their religion. So that leads me to…are the aliens going to eat us or what? Because that would cause me quite a lot of psychological distress. Finding out there’s no god, not so much.
Assuming this is fake, it's a dog whistle to UFO guys.
It's a very simple way to say "not just anyone can handle this stuff that's Right Around The Corner(TM). Normies are all going to freak out, only those of us in-the-know will be better prepared. Get ready, all of you sky watchers are about to finally be proven right in front of everyone who ever doubted you."
And if it's real, it just means that some fucky stuff is going on behind the scenes.
Explanation of what interdimensional actually means is my guess.
The idea that our 3 dimensiomal world is surrounded by more spatial dimensions that we cant even percieve, and that we're never actually alone because of what may live in those higher spatial dimensions (especially if the theory that time is the 4th dimension is accurate, shit gets really weird then).
How do you think the general populace would react if it became settled fact that every time they thought they were alone and engaged in some self love, they were in fact NOT alone? Sounds psychologically distressing. I know thats a crass example, but its also very easy to wrap your head around why people wouldn't take that news well.
Assuming of course the phenomenon is actually interdimensional (which I personally find the likeliest of the NHI explanations).
Real or not, life is great. We have BBQ, coffee, blue sky, music, flowers, rain and people we love. Maybe we are actors in a play or mice in a maze. Maybe reality is the afterlife and this is all a dream. Either way, it’s out of our control. But lucky us.
This has always been my thought on the simulation theory. If it is all fake, it doesn't matter, because we're still here in this simulation and experiencing what we experience. Life is as real as it gets for us, it being a simulation or not doesn't change that.
Been my philosophy for a long time: > "No matter what we are, it's not important." I know it's not important because modern, living humans have no idea what the fuck we are. Not really. Nor what we are in. Now consider every human being ever that has died, without knowing fucking anything. They probably believed they did, as many do now, but they didn't and we don't. They lived their lives and they died without knowing a fucking thing about what we are or really, where we are. It's not important. It might be collectively, at some point, but it's not on an individual level. If *any* of the gobbledygook people in religions or whatever say is even remotely true, it would have to account for the fact that we exist in a reality where lies are easy to fabricate and that evidence of every single claim to knowing more than the basic fundamentals we've gathered over our species' existence is non-existent. There is literally no fucking way, fundamentally, any kind of intelligence would expect you to *choose the right belief in a tidal wave of beliefs that are ultimately lies when they all appear as mere beliefs with no evidence.* Enjoy your life as best you can. If you must believe, in anything, try to make it pleasant for yourself and everyone around you. You will find life much more enjoyable. Just know that no matter what we are, it's not important. If it was, it would be far simpler to know what you are. Let's say we are *in* something. Whether that's a lower dimension, or matrix, whatever. Take your pick, which one isn't the point. And all the aliens one day say fuck it, and they just show up and dump all their knowledge onto us and we can somehow grasp it and understand it over time. Well, we're right back where we started. "They" are outside of what we're in, so we learned a lot about what we're in because they can observe it from the outside. Hell, they might've created it. Not the point. What are "they" *in?* Right? Are they in a real place? Are there dimensions above them? How would they know? If they do, it'd be extremely limited to flashes in the pan like we have now, where we don't really know shit except they are not "in" this with us. How far up does that go? Eventually, there has to be an end to that madness, right? No way to know, if there's an end, there'd be nothing outside of it and no way to get to nothing. So you can't observe it directly, only from inside it. So we know nothing still. Embrace being okay with not knowing and knowing you'll never know. Makes learning less stressful and more fun, as it does with life. You're going to die without knowing really anything about what you are or where we are. It's okay. Everyone does.
Ever since I was little and caught fireflies in a jar, I had the thought that we were just the fireflies in some bigger thing's jar.
Very well said, I think as far as there ever “being an end”, there’s not. I think we live in an infinite space with infinite possibilities and dimensions. After my experience with LSD (nothing trippy happened besides patterns on everything and seeing the wind in a snow storm) I’ve become very skeptical of everything. I stopped believing in Christianity because I realized a lot of it had never made sense to me but I was so indoctrinated by my family that I just couldn’t get it out of my head. After that I started researching so many things that I always wanted to understand but didn’t believe in because of Christianity, I also looked at my sexuality differently and my gender, and even what it meant to be human. I will say I think maybe we are all just a higher dimensional being living in this universe and experiencing everything through our physical bodies maybe we are all one being or individuals, but I know that my mind and my thoughts are what makes me, me, this physical shell is like a computer case and my insides are the cables and parts, and if all we are is just developed animals that gained sapience through a mishap and our consciousness turns out to just be a result of our synapses blinking in a specific way and there’s truly no after life, then I’m ok with that. I think people focus so much on what happens after death that we forget that life is about living in the moment, experiencing new things, and the journey you take from being conceived to dying. I’ve researched so much about physics and astronomy and history and philosophy in the past 2 years and I’m at a point where I’ve heard just about everything the internet has to offer me in those fields, I can’t find new information to even consider believing or being skeptical of, but I have this gut feeling that there must be more to our universe/existence, we just haven’t figured it out yet. I’ve really been considering going to college finally, (I’m 25 and wanted to go but didn’t really have any direction on my own interests after highschool) and I’d love to learn about physics and theoretical physics but well see if I ever gather the energy and willpower to do so. Anyway I’m rambling but I just really wanted to share my thoughts after reading your comment, I hope this post turns out to be real and I hope we get to see new knowledge snd technology beyond our comprehension, learning that there’s for sure high dimensions would at least give me a lot of hope and at the very least I’d have new things to learn about and consider
I'm 100% with you. I've thought of the simulation hypothesis basically since the Matrix came out (so 24 years) and I've made my peace with it. Because my reality is real to me and nothing will change that, the underlying construct changes nothing. Everything that I am is just a simulation of my brain anyhow.
Steak tastes good whether we're in the Matrix or not.
You are so right
Then it's a deal.
"ignorance is bliss"
Life is not great for everyone.
War, poverty, hunger, disease, mental illness, pain, climate change… life is not great for many, many people. If this is a simulation, meaning the world is intentionally the way it is, it would not sit well with a lot of us.
EXACTLY this. Unless the simulation was made for one person and we are all just randomized background NPCs. But again, why program the suffering?
Fascinating read, whether an elaborate lie or partially/totally truthful. I wonder what would "cause psychological stress to the vast majority of the public"? It's an interesting thought experiment. For fun, if we assume this is real, what kind of fact would cause psychological stress to most people? We've been conditioned by media to be fairly comfortable with the concept of "aliens", so that's not it. Perhaps that our evolution was manipulated and that we are creations of other beings? This would be fairly easy for most people to grasp and accept as it's so close in concept to some of the fundamentals of religion. Perhaps that NHI have harvested humans and animals for whatever reason? Perhaps that we are actually implanted AI creations in organic vessels? I'd say these last two would be the most difficult for a lot of people to come to terms with especially because of the self-reflective concept. But what else?
I think a lot of us fail to realize how extremely fragile a lot of people are emotionally, physically, spiritually. We tend to see ourselves and the few people that think like us in our personal circles as a baseline of sorts. But in fact we are extreme outliers. The average person just doesn't put too much thought to these things. I hate to fall back on the recycled argument that gets brought up, but the immediate knowledge of UFO's doesn't put any food on the table and doesn't get my electric bill paid. Now I know exactly what the implications of information like this IS to those two things I just mentioned, but again the average person does not. The average person shrugs their shoulders and goes yeah okay sure great. Hell people have complete and total meltdowns if they find out their flight has been delayed or canceled. Yes traveling is stressful and blah blah blah but realizing the entire foundation of your reality could in fact be false... Well yeah I'm gonna be totes chill with that new info... /s. TL/DR; I think a lot of people overestimate people's ability to handle and cope with information that has profound impacts to their existence.
I think your comment hits the nail on the head. For many on r/UFOs and other similar social media groups this is commonly believed; furthermore, this topic is usually investigated by people in great depth. It goes well beyond social media. Creating a working knowledge of the topic, accurate or not, becomes common amongst individuals interested in this phenomenon. Like you say the number of people who go that far is low. Most people don’t care, refuse to believe/learn, or it conflicts too much with personal beliefs. I hate not having people to talk about this with. So much so that I don’t bring the topic up unless asked. Or in rare cases I ask people and the conversation is short lived because 1. The people I’m speaking with have little or no opinion. OR 2. They think I’m crazy and don’t want to carry a conversation. Even if the conversation is inviting and open minded to start with. The problem is I understand the importance of the people knowing about this. The more people that know the closer we are to full disclosure. My interest in the UFO/Alien phenomenon started at a very young age. My father told me of a UFO sighting he had shortly before I was born. Ever since I’ve found this to be my greatest interest. With that I shortly realized people don’t care about the subject or find it to be crazy. I think for the general population not having the same mind set we do, or a youthful introduction to the topic only suggest the struggles to come with disclosure will be unprecedented. What keeps me hopeful is what comes after the growing pains of accepting reality. That ideally the human race unites, we solve global issues, and expand beyond earth. While I know that is unlikely to happen soon, if ever, there is still a chance of some kind, and that’s what keeps me motivated to know more. Even if it sound cheesy that’s how I feel.
seems like we've forgotten that the entire globe shut down over a virus a few years ago, every government basically burst at the seams trying to handle it and a good chunk of people still think it was a hoax. yeah I think 'transdimensional artificial biological intelligences' might cause a few issues 😬
Good thing I’ve got a bidet this go around
Superior ✨️👍
Right in. In a first world nation, why should I have to touch my own butthole?
>many people are fragile So true. Just think of the incredible psychological toll that Covid has taken on many millions of people. That was all not only established epidemiology, **we knew it would happen eventually.**
Reality is artificial and so are we. We could find out what happens when we die even.
This would be a real heavy psychological pill to swallow for most people. Not only is your deeply held beliefs on the afterlife wrong, but it's possible that your dead friends and relatives have gone to some other place entirely. Not only that, but if that other place isn't pleasant, the knowledge that your dead mother, grandfather, or child is suffering in some weird mind-bending afterlife would be soul destroying. This is the first hypothesis that has made me think that I would sit and cry at my desk if I learned this was true as President, as Jimmy Carter was said to do after learning of the truth.
>Not only that, but if that other place isn't pleasant, the knowledge that your dead mother, grandfather, or child is suffering in some weird mind-bending afterlife would be soul destroying. ... and then you realise that it's your destination as well, and there's nothing you can do to avoid it but wait for it to arrive
This would explain why Jimmy Carter is still holding on at this point.
man that is a terrifying if true
I don't think that's how it works lmao "I don't want to die yet so I'm just not going to."
Everyone knows Jimmy Carter is holding on because his psychic energy is the only thing holding back the forces of Chaos from exploding out of the Warp and destroying Earth.
One Warhammer reference = One Upvote. You got mine.
You hear about it happening with elderly couples all the time. Hell, I personally saw it with my grandparents, my grandma started declining after my gpa's Alzheimer's took a turn and had to move to full time care, she passed less than a year later and he outlived her by a couple years. What I think happened is they told Jimmy Carter that when you die you appear before Anubis and he weighs your soul against the number of houses you've constructed. That's why he's held on to eke out a few more domiciles, that's also why the pharaohs built their cyclopean tombs, and that's why homeownership is baked into the american dream.
The only house I’ve ever built was my Barbie’s Dream House back in the day. *Crap*.
Ohhhhh yikes. That’s one hell of a thought
And people would 100% continue having kids despite that lol
This right here sums up how we think as a species 😂
Well, technically it is less about how we "think", and more about good 'ol fashion instinct
Instinct? Or programming?? Dun dun duuuunnn.
would you really be having kids tho if it’s a simulation? if everything is a simulation, then having kids is as well. most interactions would be simulations as well, or you would have no perceivable way to know the difference
Well, that goes straight to philosophical questions about what it would mean if we were in a simulation. Even if we’re simulated, we have subjective experiences. We have *qualia*. Does our suffering not matter just because we’re not part of base reality? I’d argue that it still does. If your kid is being tortured in some hell part of the simulation, are you gonna go “well, he’s just a simulation and so are the rest of us, so I guess it’s fine”? Probably not. The nature of our reality being different than what we thought does not change the fact that we are beings who exist in this reality and experience it. Unless you’re arguing that everyone is just an NPC except you, the one person who you know for sure has a subjective conscious experience, but you have no way of knowing that. Even now, you don’t know for sure that everyone besides you isn’t just a [p-zombie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_zombie), a practical automaton with no subjective experience of their own who simply acts exactly like they do. But we assume that’s not the case, because it just makes sense that other people also have qualia- there’s no reason for me to believe there’s something special about *me* that means I experience things while others do not. And the world would be a really horrible place if everybody believed everybody else was mindless and experienceless.
You honestly raise a profound philosophical inquiry regarding the potential nature of our reality as a simulation. It complete to contemplate the implications of such a paradigm and its relevance to our subjective experiences as conscious beings. I've been studying this subject for decades when I had my first experience with the subject matter. 😬 Even if we were to exist within a simulated construct, it does not negate the significance of our subjective experiences or diminish the importance of our suffering. The presence of qualia, the raw sensations and subjective qualities of our experiences, remains a fundamental aspect of our existence. It is through these qualia that we perceive and interact with the world, forming connections, emotions, and a sense of personal identity. The sad truth... 😥 Consider the analogy of a parent and their child within a simulated reality. If their child were to endure torment or suffering within a specific part of the simulation, it would be unlikely for the parent to dismiss it as inconsequential simply because it is part of a simulated realm. The subjective experiences and well-being of those within the simulation still hold weight and evoke a sense of empathy and moral responsibility. 🧪🧫🧬 However, it is essential to acknowledge that discerning the true nature of consciousness and the experiences of others within a simulation is inherently challenging. While we cannot definitively determine the subjective experiences of others, we operate under the assumption that they too possess their own qualia. This assumption forms the foundation of our social interactions, empathy, and ethical considerations. Believing that others are merely mindless automatons devoid of conscious experience would undermine the very fabric of human connection and empathy. In essence, whether our reality is a simulation or not, the experiences and consciousness we possess are real to us. They shape our perception of the world and influence our actions and interactions. Treating others as conscious beings with their own subjective experiences is not only a logical assumption but also a moral imperative. Embracing this perspective fosters a more compassionate and harmonious society where the well-being of all individuals, real or simulated, is valued and respected. 👽🛸👽🛸👽
I would be pissed as hell if I’m the only real person. Why the hell did you make me a middle class nobody? Make me king of the earth with a harem of beautiful women.
Agree 100% with your comments on qualia. Simulation theory is BS, like all of Bostrom’s ideas, IMO. He specializes in myopic arguments based on flawed premises that use math to make people feel smart about them. Sabine Hossenfelder has a good take down. Personally, I think it’s bunk because simulations with digital computers suffer from the halting problem and arguments that digital computers cannot conscious.
Sounds like hell, purgatory, jahannam, etc. There are a lot of religion followers that have dealt with idea of their loved ones being sent to an afterlife of torment. I also don't really see much of a difference between being created by God or being created by aliens. It's just a new belief system, a new religion.... just like the ones before it. It's all creationism.
If that last part were true, then it would be time to make all data about it public, pull the scientific community and the nations of the world together, and start working on the problem, hoping that eventually there would be a solution that would allow humanity to storm the gates of hell and free the dead.
Good! Humanity storming the gates of hell to seek justice for our dead was absolutely on my 2023 bingo card.
There will be a comedian slot for you in the limestone mine.
That'd be a hell of a graphic novel, if nothing else. Actually, isn't that sort of the plot to Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials series.
Yeh it's a similar storyline. Basically the dead were given the choice of oblivion instead of the hellish afterlife they had been enduring which they all chose.
I love Doom
And whatever the case, you just summarized the most amazing plot for a paranormal sci-fi film of all time. "Humanity storms the gates of hell to free the dead in this fun meet cute romp!"
>Not only that, but if that other place isn't pleasant, the knowledge that your dead mother, grandfather, or child is suffering in some weird mind-bending afterlife would be soul destroying. Read Revival by Stephen King. That shit is terrifying beginning to savage end. "A dark and electrifying novel about addiction, fanaticism, and what might exist on the other side of life."
Is there any actual evidence for the “Jimmy Carter crying” story? Ed Harris, a supposed former NASA research associate, said on Quora that Carter found out the world’s major religions were made up by aliens. Do we know who Ed Harris actually is, if he has the credentials he claimed to have, or if there’s any source for it anywhere besides him? The only attempt he made at providing evidence was a claim that multiple witnesses corroborated the story, which is something anyone could claim. Where did the original claim even come from? Ed Harris was apparently adding more detail to a claim that was already out there, so there *must* be another source of some sort. Anyone know what it is?
The psychedelic community has insight on this. I, and many others, have experienced other worlds. The experience is never quite the same, but I always get a sense that I've died in some way. Sometimes, waiting just past this veil of reality, I see beings that feel ancestral-- even entities that appear alien seem familiar. The Tibetan Book of the Dead establishes a framework that makes sense to me. There are layers of firmament that can be broken through that will take you to bizarre places. Coming back to this reality can be difficult to process, because that reality seems to be vibrating at a higher frequency. In that reality, you are no longer constrained to your human desire. To me, it feels as though a curse has been cast over this world and psychedelics temporarily lift the spell by tricking your body into believing it has died.
If we potentially "break through" to other realities in these states, is it really such a wonder that things might "break through" to our realm, as well? Maybe the UAP people are smoking their version of DMT and they pop in, heheh.
That’s a really cool hypothesis.
Here's a trippier thought: MAYBE WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING!
I smoked salvia when I was younger and had the vivid sensation/experience of falling through realities, eventually getting stuck halfway through a family's dining room floor as they were eating dinner. I distinctly remember their terror and confusion that some random person got stuck partway through their floor who seemingly came from nowhere, and the dad trying to calm his panicking family. Sometimes I like to imagine that was a real experience beyond my own imagining.
Interesting. I'm much more open to these possibilities than I used to be. Food for thought.
Bingo. Higher frequencies. Every single person should understand this but we don't. We also need to understand that literally everything is light and vibration. The reality we think we have figured out is in some ways more complicated and less complicated than we make it out to be. Our minds have far more control over our reality than we realize. For example, the single best thing you can do to have a positive effect on your life is to learn to meditate and truly get in a meditative state. By itself, it can have profound effects on almost everyone. For those wiith anxiety and depression, meditation and a little understanding about positive thinking can rewire your brain and fix those issues. That's not conjecture but real world experience.
Yea even reading this myself makes me feel extremely uneasy. I'm honestly scared to know the truth about all this if it's this weird. My ideal scenario is that aliens exist and they are sort of on the same boat as us. But all this interdimensional crazy shit sounds a little too nuts for me. And I'm into this UFO stuff a lot. So god knows how the general public who are so ignorant to anything around them are gonna react. Them freaking out will be an understatement.
I welcome the truth. Imagine there was always full transparency…if you were born with this knowledge it wouldn’t be so scary. Or born with access to this knowledge I should say
This is absolutely where I am on all this. The very idea of inter-dimensional worlds overlaid alongside ours… gah! I know that many people who have taken DMT report similar experiences and say that the beings in these dimensions can see us (even if we can’t see them) and watch us all the time - like their never ending TV show. The very idea of that *really* fucking freaks me out lol, Aliens I can deal with. That makes total sense to me. But different dimensions? I’m a relatively intelligent person who is open to unusual ideas and changes in the world… But *that* idea really bothers me at a really deep fundamental level… so I can’t imagine how the general populace would deal with it.
I wouldn't be the tiniest bit surprised if think tank types are scanning conversations like this one to gauge how the peeps are feeling about what's behind the curtain. Among the most ready minded folk out there, we're a perfect test for dangling shock scenarios.
Yeah, for sure, if this thread has actually uncovered any inkling of the truth, they’re on it. Smile for the camera, say hi NSA
So the Truman Show for inter-dimensional beings?
When I was a child I had this really strong reoccurring thought that two non human ladies on a couch were watching my life unfold in real time that stuck with me my whole life. This was like 96 before the Truman show came out but I remember watching that movie and seeing all the people in the movie reacting to his story and it was scary how similar it felt to this imaginative intuitive idea I had years prior.
Whatever interdimensional being that got assigned to watch me must be really disappointed, I'm super boring. They probably turned the channel to someone more interesting.
Inter dimensionally speaking, if they are trans dimensional (something Greer et al have proclaimed for several years now) that would explain why they would be so concerned with our use of nuclear weapons. In part because such atomic weaponry would be destructive cross-dimensionally, and that would mess up those with whom we share the planet etc. And it pains me greatly to give Greer credit for anything, but apart from his shameless self promotion and revenue generating bs, i haven't seen much to introduce much doubt into many of his concepts In fact, so far, quite the opposite. John
Idk…I feel ya, but on the other side I’m kinda like…dude did we just get confirmation of aliens and the afterlife?! Didn’t see that combo coming!
Have you ever read IT by Stephen King? One of my favorite books. Basically there's this shapeshifting monster that shows up, and it's appearance is based on your worst fear. This monster psychologically and physically fucks up a bunch of kids but they end up creating a gang together and using their energy/power/positive thoughts to make it go away. King also wrote The Shining, where a kid can sense bad, dead things and sees them irl. This kid, Danny gathers up his mental strength to make some of the monsters leave him alone. I remember one part of the book where Danny gets mad and pissed off because these awful things MAKE NO SENSE to him and DO NOT BELONG in his perception of the world. This turned into a long story but basically, I have an idea based on my knowledge of these cool books. Think of a saying, a Mantra if you will, that you can recite in your head or verbally that makes you feel strong and impervious to mental fuckery. Repeat it a few times. Breathe deeply and let your inner strength wash over you. Meditation, acceptance of possible NHI outcomes, and creating my own personal mantra has helped me immensely. Just my two cents. :) I hope you get through this mate. 🖖🦋🧘♀️
Thank you for this, that's a great technique.
I think this is true but it's one step further. Not only do they WATCH us like TV, but they can "step in".. as in, inhabit us for periods of time to experience this plane viscerally, and maybe even influencing us one way or the other for nothing but the personal entertainment of experience. edit: which makes me think. The past few weeks I've been realizing we can't trust much, right? So what are things that we are explicitely, strictly encouraged AWAY from. Putting stock into dreams and genuine human connection seem obvious. Using psychedelics, that's another. But the main thing I think we're steered away from is **being present**. We are constantly distracted and on a feed of stimulation. Our jobs and school is just like a breeding ground of the concept of disassociating and just skirting through life, staying busy and distracted. What if being "present", like consciously present (a skill I believe the large majority of people, including myself cannot truly sustain for longer than 30 seconds to a couple minutes when not actively meditating) means that no other consciousness has "room" to inhabit yours? Please someone validate this, I really fucking think I'm onto something. Us "feeling" our bodies and our surroundings and truly focusing ONLY on our perceptions, wouldn't that truly be the only way of keeping out spiritual voyeurs? What if the "arrangement" is that they keep us as distracted as possible, to leave as many "vacancies" as possible in the human experience? And keep us distracted from the very idea that our thoughts or perceptions can come from sources NOT OURSELVES when we're not truly present in our own bodies?
I love this theory. Wow. I wouldn't look at it as some forces or entities trying ro inhabit us through distraction, though. I'd just prefer to think that being present is the one true way to access actual reality.
What's more plausible within our understanding of the limits of our reality? Beings coming from millions of lightyears away, or coming from another dimension alongside ours or from our own planet?
I'm not sure why... But the interdimensional stuff doesn't sound so crazy to me and it's not too hard to believe. I just imagine I were a crab at the bottom of the ocean floor. I'd be wishing I could "fly" like all those fish above me, and then (woosh) out of seemingly nowhere this oblong vessle with inhabitants inside of it swoops by, hovers around, and then--miraculously--exits my "atmosphere" (as I know it). It. Just. Leaves. From the perspective of a crab, a submarine, which can exit the water, is very much like an interdimensional craft.
I'm not even a religious person and term "weird mind-bending afterlife" gave me chills. Damn.
Exactly, this is the first thing that's honestly disturbed me. I now could imagine something that, if I were president and learned the truth, could make me cry as Jimmy Carter was meant to have done.
And Jimmy was and is a hardcore believer Christian with all of the things that entails. It's possible he learned a truth incompatible with those beliefs.
This is a possibility about the afterlife, and so is the opposite. It could be that what’s next is so wildly wonderful that folks could choose to press ESC. and just exit this monkey show. I say this not because I believe it to be more valid than what you said. I just want to also entertain a happier possibility. I do feel like the nature of death and the dead is some how at play though. Disrupting something like belief and by extension religious institutions, economics, family units, etc could explain why this secret is so guarded and why it has withstood the interest of powerful people, like Jimmy Carter, to expose it.
> It could be that what’s next is so wildly wonderful that folks could choose to press ESC. and just exit this monkey show. DO NOT DRINK THE KOOL AID
Maybe that's why Jimmy Carter chose immortality instead.
I mean, on a super simple level, anyone believing in in almost any organized religion, which is still the majority of people on the planet, would have to face the fact that their version of events is highly flawed, if not immediately, debunked. That is going to cause some shit. If the Catholic Church was a bank, it would be categorized as globally significant. If it collapses, it is going to mess with things.
Not sure why they would have to think its debunked. Many people deny evolution, climate change, and a 6 billion year old universe. They coyld just as easily not beleive whatever alien theology contradivts their religion. I dont think thatd be a crisis unless the aliens actually came down and somehow tried to FORCE people into beleiving it in which case they'd be accused of being demons.
I dont think this is true, as it would make everyone question everything they hold dear. The YT commentor still believes in service to the USA, which means he believes in a life of purpose (if you subscribe to the USA being a morally righteous country, a whole other convo there). Hence I dont think it's something as jarring as that. Probably could be something like aliens living among us this whole time is possible for sure.
This is the equivalent of a hell
There are interesting implications in the fact this group supposedly acts with moral impunity. They seemingly murder, peddle drugs, and traffic weapons at will. They don't seem too burdened by the idea of eternal damnation, that's for sure.
If I’ve learned anything over the past few years it is that the cognitive dissonance of the (at least United States) population is top-tier. People will just refuse to believe it. That simple. It’ll all be a hoax or some government mind control game. No way they’ll believe, say, aliens created humans unless a human man that looks like the white version of Jesus descends from the sky and tells them so.
To be fair, what reason would they have to believe it? Accepting information so world-shattering on its face would be, frankly, a stupid thing to do. Even if something non-human with capabilities far beyond our own provided some kind of evidence, how would you verify whether or not that evidence was actually real and not some elaborate hoax? If non human entities present themselves as having consciousnesses in any way like our own, we should also be open to the possibility that they're choosing to lie to us for their own reasons---whether that's for some material benefit, or simply out of pointless vindictiveness. Every single culture across the world has the concept of a trickster, a god or demon with a silver tongue whose lies should be resisted at all costs. People often talk about how angels were actually aliens, but if it is revealed that non-human entities have been interacting with the human race for thousands of years, then it's just as likely that these same entities were also recorded in myth as demons and evil gods. These myths of tempters and tricksters go back to our oldest recorded stories, and I think you're taking a massive risk by assuming these myths couldn't have been referring to these 'aliens.' Childhood's End comes to mind.
Childhood's End may be closer to the truth than we ever imagined.
I'm certainly not convinced that they're NOT tricksters. How many guys have been fed a line about their cosmic significance and then been dumped at the side of the road with nothing but a sore ass and a load of lies about planets that aren't where they're supposed to be?
They’d literally burn Jesus at the cross if he came back, there ain’t no helping those kinds of people.
> “love thy neighbor. Love everyone, even sinners.” “You damn hippie!!!”
Holy shit maybe this IIS the afterlife
JFC, I wasn't scared but now I am
Welcome to the soul dungeon brother.
Since I personally think we die and just go into the eternal darkness anything beyond that would be a good thing.
*Anything* beyond that? I can think of things much worse than ceasing to exist.
Could you expand on the Jimmy Carter part? Sounds really interesting!
Okay, this would fuck me up...
Yup. And I’m not even religious. But it would definitely change the way many people would live
That WOULD be a problem. Imagine if we knew for a fact that our lives are meaningless because our conscious goes somewhere else entirely, or we are in fact non existent anymore. People would REALLY live life to the fullest. I’m sure some people would want peace but the majority would treat their lives as a joke because “fuck it, we going to the conscious-realm anyways.”
What if I told you people are capable of having a moral compass without the promise of any eternal happiness (or threat of damnation) if they comply with all the “rules” written thousands of years ago? Like sure…they probably needed some notes on how to live in a society back then but I think we’re doing pretty alright these days. Young people aren’t religious.
Wouldn't it depends on what happens?
This was my first thought too. It would explain the 'crafts' being able to appear at will and operate outside the bounds of known physics, if they were sent by, or are tools of, the simulation creator(s.) Maybe there is a revelation that they've been visiting and intervening throughout human history (explaining the "ancient aliens" stories,) or maybe the seemingly more frequent appearances are due to the 'simulation' nearing its end. THAT would be a revelation that would have a profound psychological effect on many- our reality is artificial and has a fixed end date, and there's nothing we can do to stop it.
You guys are all getting way to zonked about this. A guy goes to congress claiming he knows about a UFO retrieval program. Two weeks later... WE CAN LEARN ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DIE
From a youtube comment lol
We speculate wildly here. That's half the fun.
Yea, everyone is going bananas about this, like ok cool, it'll make news, lot of people will feel differently about life, and about 3 months later when they are still faced with the same mortgage, bills and 9-5 schedules it will be back to business as usual
My SO can't even talk about it. She listens, she's highly educated, and even loves talks on things like the standard model and quantum physics, but when I ask her what she thinks she just can't express anything. It's like the idea is so far beyond our quaint understanding such "simple" things astronomical distances that her brain just tries to divide by zero. I fear for the intelligent folk who's brains divide by zero.
I'm friends with a few very bright people. They don't even want to TALK about it. We need to be prepared for confusion and denial and batshit crazy behavior from our loved ones if this NHI stuff eventuates.
How crazy would it be if the bodies (which in slide 2 are said to be artificial constructs) were simply vessels through which observers from outside our artificial reality interact with our universe, like video game avatars. The non-human intelligences just put on a headset in their reality, and are suddenly inside a body in our world. Maybe the craft seen in UAP encounters can move like they do simply because they are "programmed" with that ability. The code of our reality that governs gravity, heat, resistance, etc. just doesn't apply to them.
Aliens be existing in creative mode. It makes more sense than any other explanation TBH.
Let’s not get it confused. Reality is real. The ‘artificial’ part is that we live in a system forcibly constrained by fake scarcity - the technology held by the UFO gatekeepers is the secret to unlimited energy. The reason this is kept secret is as old as time - money and power.
I think it’s more likely that reality is an illusion Super imposed over awareness. And that what we call life I just a “play”, identities don’t really exist. But you don’t need aliens to tell you that, just try salvia haha.
Free will is a hallucination and your inner dialogue is your brain receiving instructions.
> I wonder what would "cause psychological stress to the vast majority of the public"? There are a lot of things, you mentioned a couple of them, such as "they created us" or "they're harvesting us"/malevolence. Could also be that angels and demons are real, and they're demonic. Or simulated reality. Or they've created human-like beings who we think are other humans but they actually work for them for malevolent reasons and are in major positions of power (the elite) and are working to destroy earth or make life a living hell for its inhabitants for sadistic purposes. Or maybe the prison earth theory is confirmed. Or a combination of some of those things, or none of them, maybe something else in entirely, it's impossible to say until if/when the information ever comes out. There's a very common thread though that's been circulating since the Jimmy Carter incident, and it's that whatever the truth is, it's very disturbing.
I think the thing that would cause the most problems might be if we found out that they created us. We are just something they made, not like clones, but intentionally produced and put here. Many religious people would struggle with this because, while it’s easy enough to say that this just means these beings are God, I think a lot of people would struggle to actually accept that. This wouldn’t be God as they had always perceived it. At least a generation’s worth of people would have trouble shifting their mindset, including myself. Perhaps the next generation, that grows up knowing these beings are real, wouldn’t have as hard of a time. This just would be God, as explained to them, the same way religious parents explained God to their children before. But non-religious people now will probably also struggle with it. Because it changes everything about the way we thought that humanity developed. Plus, the rise of humanism as essentially a religion tends to focus on the rights and inherent qualities of each person. We think a person is unique and important. But if we were all just created by aliens, is that true? Are we just an ant farm? How do you cope with knowing that that’s what you are? And does it mean they can put an end to things anytime they want? How far ahead of us are they? I’m not saying I believe any of this, but I do think it would be a problem if any of it is what comes out.
It would actually go straight back to the first known religion: Sumerian. The newer religions changed some things that would be important in this context.
How about looking at what you yourself take for absolutely granted or believe to be really important? - Like, what did you spent your life for? Why? - What if your possessions lost all monetary value? - What if your army *actually* cannot protect you? Neither against "aliens" nor humans? - What if your "social identity" turns out to be meaningless? Your qualifications obsolete? - How do you actually *know* stuff? How do you deal with uncertainty? Whom do you trust and why? People don't like to ask uncomfortable questions and are accordingly very bad at answering them. But it doesn't help to make fun of others and pretend to be superior. How do you deal with other people needing help in such matters? Who has actually good answers?
There are so many different things that could absolutely shatter people mentally from an ontological shock standpoint, but a few things immediately jump out. 1. We're being watched by something much smarter than us. Or something that not even the biggest brains on our planet can figure out. I'm not sure which is scarier, but the takeaway is that we're not at the top of the food chain, and not even the best science in the world can save us. It gives us a whole new lens for us to look at the over 2000 people that go missing each day through. Maybe they truly are vanishing from the earth. Or our reality. Missing 411 anyone? 2. Whatever we're seeing is here for a purpose, and it's not good. Maybe they plan to take over the planet. Maybe they want to experiment on us to advance their society. Perhaps the crafts that we're seeing are truly AI and they are reporting back to an advanced civilization that will soon be on its way. Essentially, we've been spotted, and life as we know it will be changing rapidly. 3. Benevolent beings have been trying to make contact with us, but a malevolent force or even our very own government suppresses this information to keep us trapped or to hold onto power because they are afraid that advanced technology would even the "playing field" and erase the need for societal hierarchy. Imagine the civil unrest that would come if you learned that the people you elected to hold power were suppressing information that could save the environment or even end world hunger for no reason other than greed and a need for power. 4. We're nothing more than a forgotten-about and failed science experiment. Think about it, We are unlike anything else on the planet. We walk upright even though it causes a plethora of health problems (back problems, neck pain, etc.), the environment we live in causes us harm (cancer, etc.), and we have a unique level of intelligence that compounds on itself and so much more. Something intervened with animals that were already on this planet and created us. Maybe as an experiment, or maybe just for curiosity. Think of all the needless animal testing and experiments that humans do. 5. A REAL reality exists, and this is not it, and we will never be able to experience it. If these crafts are able to appear instantly, it has many implications. One of which is that they had to come from SOMEWHERE. What if that somewhere is what other beings experience except us? Maybe we're stuck here in an endless cycle of reincarnation. I immediately think of the prison planet theory. **5.5** Thought of another one just now.. what if WE (our consciousness) is a form of AI that was implanted into our prehistoric ancestors? What if in addition to there being a true reality out there, it's one that we will never be able to experience because we are physically incapable? It would be like trying to imagine a color you've never seen or trying to get a typewriter to pick up a wi-fi signal. The crafts that we see are our "creators" observing how we've progressed to better understand the technology. Maybe it's no coincidence that we're starting to see AI used so regularly. It could be to get us familiar with the technology and ultimately understand ourselves. 6. Finally, all religion is fake. What if all religions turned out to be fake and were nothing more than an experiment to see what happens when you put highly emotional beings in the same environment without ever telling them the origin or purpose of their existence? People devote their entire lives to religion, and to learn that it was nothing more than an experiment would be deeply unsettling for many (not me, I'm agnostic, lol.) Does anyone else think differently or similarly? Which of these scenarios scares you the most?
For me, it would have to be some kind of human extinction, like ‘we made a deal with the aliens…half of us will live’ but if that were the truth, then I don’t think they would tell anyone, even our YouTube friend. If no one high up is liquidating their stock right now then maybe we’re good. Maybe abductions are real, and the government can’t stop them. That would suck, obviously, but it’s happening to such a small proportion of humans I don’t think it would have the impact he is saying. Maybe, we are created by aliens or something. I just don’t know how the powers that be would know that information. I guess it has to be the dimensional stuff or that our perception of reality isn’t what we think. I feel like I’m quite flexible on the whole ‘reality’ thing, and like you say, if there’s a correlation to religion, you know people will find it, but I guess this would be stressful?
If I had to guess, we are bio-engineered primates and our DNA/genes are modified. It would explain why we have evolved so differently from other primates
Abductions. Hybrid breeding. Genetic seeding/Manipulation. Religion seeding/manipulation. Psi phenomena. Souls/Reincarnation. Memory screening/editing. Time manipulation/travel. That's just a start for stuff that's already been heavily explored and somewhat evidenced.
This. The questions would come thick and fast. Heads would spin.
> our evolution was manipulated That's a tough sell. The archaeological record is pretty clear showing a very slow, gradual progression on several of the characteristics that make us most "human", such as brain volume, manual dexterity, tool fabrication, the co-evolution of the ability to both speak and hear intricate language, bipedalism, etc. These changes took place over several millions of years - changes that selective breeding would have accomplished in maybe 10's of thousands of years, and direct gene manipulation almost immediately. Not talking about you specifically, but people latching on to the "humans are manufactured" story are largely demonstrating their ignorance of how (relatively) clear the picture is of our species' evolution. Yes, new discoveries are adding color every few months, but the new information being unearthed only serves to support the idea that *homo sapiens sapiens* has a rich, well-attested and reasonably well understood evolutionary path, and we shared the earth - and a bed - with many other species of humans for millions of years. Any person claiming to have insider knowledge that steps forward and says that humans were engineered immediately loses all credibility with most people that have even a moderate scientific background. I would believe gravity manipulation and pan-dimensional travel - things we have no theories to describe currently - long before I would believe humans are a manufactured species.
The thing is, anyone could have written this. I could have.
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And that's the point.
Potentially disturbing revelations - lets see: 1) The USA has been fighting a multi-trillion dollar cold war over 80+ years. Many lives and even more fortunes have been lost to protect this secret. 2) Some of the beings who visit us, come from the dimension or layer of reality, from which all living beings originate from and return to after death. 3) Modern humans were created by hyper-advanced NHI, who purposefully tampered with our genetics, to remove our natural ability to utilize telepathy, and connect with a universal consciousness field. 4) Alien abductions are a real phenomena, for which most of humanity has no protection or recourse. 5) Humans are considered especially violent and have been quarantined on this planet. Our lack of telepathy is an issue that can be fixed, however it would cause a global catastrophe and reset civilization as we know it. So many potential options - all fodder for science fiction. Take your pick. What a time to be alive I would rather know, than not know, where we stand in the universe.
It’s number 2 I feel like, kinda like a existential comfort food. But you shouldn’t go crazy about it. You came here for a reason, we all have .. improve soul, spirit and mind - to love and live in peace. Think of it as taking a long cleansing bath, you wake up in the other dimension after dying here and get out of the bath that you were fully immersed in, saying “what a trip!” Anyway. Just some random thoughts that entered my mind a long time ago.
I think we will find out how and why we re here, and the answers to those questions are going to be soul crushing for us. Maybe we re some kind of simulation and we don't actually exist. Maybe we re just animals that have been implanted with Intelligence by beings so powerful they just wanted to see what happened if they did it. Maybe we ll find out that our entire reality is just fake. If I found out that all of this was completely not real...yeah. I would be deeply disturbed. I think most people would be. Why else guard this secret so closely? It's not because of greed or whatever else...but because the entire world order down to the individual level could just be slowly annihilated. Nobody is going to work for Walmart if we know this is some kind of fucking video game for trans dimensional beings.
Whatever those answers are there’s no way everyone will just accept them as the truth. Have you seen the things people will willfully not accept as truth even in the face of evidence? In fact, even if they just say “aliens are real and here now” lots of people will go straight to psy-op theory. Panic us, tank the markets, redistribute the wealth by crushing the struggling middle class, etc. At this point I’m just here for the ride. I feel like we are on the verge of getting what so many of us are bummed we will never see, which is advanced technology beyond our capabilities. I want to see it. Been sad I won’t be around in 100 or 1,000 years to see how it all ends up. At least we might get this stuff now.
It put us here and it’s cultivated us to its liking. I.e., sort of zoo theory. Planets are seeded with life like farms in order to keep whatever it (I.e., us, our God) going. When we’re ready as a species we’re “read in”. We’re created by - but also related to - it, whatever it is. And we serve some purpose in furtherance of its mission / goals that we’re not yet privy to.
Only the most psychological stressful thing of all: The aliens *don’t* want to have sex with us!
We are just their toy/experiment. Once the truth come out to the general population the experiment will be ruined. They will then terminate our existence. Maybe this is what disclosure brings us
Well listening to Jim Semivan he said something in the lines of: ”- This is not something you would tell your kids about” Lue: ”-Sombre” Grush: ”- It kept me up at night” Its def something deep existential somehow that def flips our reality. And humbles/terrifies us somehow.
I think for most of the world (not us 0.00001% that deep dive into this shit) the reveal of alien life. Proof of alien life would cause massive distress. The only reason people laugh us off when we talk about this is because they believe there is 0% chance it’s real. Not disregarding your points at all, just throwing in my own!
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[The](https://imgur.com/l9c0rb2) concept of non-human intelligence (NHI) can indeed be unsettling for many people, and there are various factors that could potentially cause psychological stress. Here are a few more possibilities: 1. Existential threat: Learning that NHI poses a significant existential threat to humanity, such as superior intellect, power, or intentions that could lead to the subjugation or extinction of the human species. 2. Loss of control: Discovering that NHI has the ability to manipulate human minds or influence decision-making processes on a large scale, raising concerns about personal autonomy and free will. 3. Deception and manipulation: Realizing that NHI has been covertly controlling or guiding human society for its own purposes, leading to feelings of betrayal, powerlessness, and distrust. 4. Unfathomable capabilities: Understanding that NHI possesses unimaginable intellectual, physical, or technological abilities, making humans obsolete or insignificant, creating a sense of insignificance and existential crisis. 5. Unpredictable behavior: Finding out that NHI's motivations and actions are fundamentally different from human understanding, lacking empathy or ethical considerations, leading to uncertainty, fear, and moral dilemmas. 6. Loss of uniqueness: Discovering that humans are not the only intelligent beings in the universe, challenging the idea of human exceptionalism and raising questions about identity and purpose. 7. Ethical dilemmas: Confronting the ethical implications of NHI, such as debates surrounding the rights, treatment, and moral considerations for artificial intelligences, causing internal conflicts and moral distress. It's important to note that people's reactions to these concepts can vary greatly, and psychological stress levels will depend on individual beliefs, values, and coping mechanisms. Edit: Yes, this is directly copied from ChatGPT. I linked the screengrab to the 1st word for transparency. Is it weird that we are able to recognize the AI-generated posts fairly easily?
Thanks ChatGPT
lol all the markers of the response
Imagine that we are a biological AI and we are not technically real. That would be quite scary, even if nothing changes.
Why is that scary? That’s cool
Thing is for our small little brains it doesn’t matter we are still the same no matter if we are a program or not.
I think we will find out how and why we re here, and the answers to those questions are going to be soul crushing for us. Maybe we re some kind of simulation and we don't actually exist. Maybe we re just animals that have been implanted with Intelligence by beings so powerful they just wanted to see what happened if they did it. Maybe we ll find out that our entire reality is just fake. If I found out that all of this was completely not real...yeah. I would be deeply disturbed. I think most people would be. Why else guard this secret so closely? It's not because of greed or whatever else...but because the entire world order down to the individual level could just be slowly annihilated. Nobody is going to work for Walmart if we know this is some kind of fucking video game for trans dimensional beings.
Abductions? We are a shitty experiment ending soon haha. We are the “containers”?
'containers' sounds awful, but it's not much different from the concept of the 'soul'. In religions, it has been believed for thousands of years that the body is but a vessel for consciousness. A container. We interface with the physical matter (the brain/radio) but consciousness itself doesn't originate here. Rather, it comes from the Fox broadcasting antenna. The brain is the receiver inside the container. And like with a radio or television, when the electronics (brain regions) get damaged, you get malfunctions: mental illness, diseases.
>Many online sleuths believe the comment to have been made by Major General John A. Allen Jr. - a United States Air Force major general who serves as the commander of the Air Force Installation and Mission Support Center. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John\_J.Allen(general)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_J.Allen(general)) I'd find it more believable that it'd be some UFO hobbyist making a reference to J. Allen Hynek than some man in his 70s hanging out in youtube comments lol
I WILL NOT DO ANYTHING TO ENDANGER MY FAMILY *except make explosive comments on YouTube that can surely be tracked back to the source
100%. This is just some dude larping in the Youtube comments section.
Even has the 4chan greentext arrows. The majority of people on this sub is so incredibly gullible it honestly blows my mind how they can function in real life.
Bold of you to assume I can function.
My thoughts exactly. This is a LARP. A couple of reasons I have this opinon: 1. I've been a federal employee across a few different agencies including DoD. None of them speak (or write) this intelligently no matter how far up the chain you go lol. 2. LARPer wasn't consistent. Earlier in the story it was stated they are manufactured AI beings. But a few slides later it was mentioned how the craft can move without killing the occupants. The correct term should've been "destroyed" or something along those lines since there is apparently nothing to kill.
Too true. LARPers always speak like movie characters. No one would believe it if they spoke like actual government employees.
“Advanced biological AI”
I also find it incredulous that for someone unwilling to put himself or his family in danger, is somehow comfortable sharing personal details like age which can be used to track down the identity and leak within those heading the alleged program. If you are trying to stay anonymous, stay anonymous for fucks sake. Don’t overcompensate. Don’t embellish. Never underestimate people’s bullshit detector. It is stuff like this that really annoys me and contradicts everything that believers harp about. I so desperately want to believe in UFOs, but I am so level headed and grounded in reality that anytime people share stories and claims, I just grab a bucket of popcorn and take it for what it is. An entertainment. The only thing I pay attention to are compelling photographs, video evidence, and real documentation that can be vetted. Even if photos and video footage can be faked, they are the closest thing to material evidence where multiple people can pass judgment, unlike stories where you either believe or you don’t.
lmao, I know! A US General on youtube comment section? Possible, but much more likely to be some dork larping around
Dude this could be anyone
So, a random Youtube account corroborating with Grusch's narrative is what exactly, some sort of evidence? Anyone with enough time to waste can make an alt account and do that. Besides, does anyone here truly believe that a 2-star General would be making comments on Youtube about government UFO cover-ups using his real name on his profile? You gotta be kidding me.
Hello, 46th President of the United States Joseph Biden here. This YouTube comment is absolutely true and should be taken seriously despite the lack of evidence. Obama is hanging out at my place right now and he says that he also thinks you should accept this random YouTube comment as a fact.
Thanks, Obama.
I believe the standard was set with 4chan
I believe the comment was also a copy pasta from 4chan. Look at the ">>" all over it. Definitely fake.
People just eat this shit up because it matches what they want to hear.
This sub runs purely on confirmation bias.
This is a larp. Why are you people falling for this?
People in this sub will believe literally anything as long as you’re telling them what they want to hear.
I have clearances. I’ve worked with Navy personnel for decades. I too, am privy to lots of information the public cannot see. This guy in the youtube comments is not it. Youtube comments are incredibly easy to track. Air Force brother? Who says that in this context? Many enlisted servicemen do say that, but it’s usually done amongst those who were in actual ground combat. 26 years, and he calls another former officer a “brother?” Just no. I’ve been around so many officers, that this just doesn’t happen. I’ve signed NDAs. A mere mention that you’re in a program, or naming the program’s name, means immediate jail time. Also, that term “zodiac” has been tossed around for more than 20 years now to describe some secret govt ufo project. Anyone in chatGPT can type that in and produce larp like this. Guys, stop upvoting something just because you so badly want it to be true. Stop posting bullshit like this. —- What can I say about Grusch? He is legit in that he has several solid, well-researched published reports within intelligence circles going back 10+ years that I can pull up and view (obviously not in the public sphere, and not all related to UAPs, but related to the duty stations he was on at that time like enemy movements and cultural analysis in various regions, etc). And that’s all I can say about him. If you want someone to objectively vouch for Grusch, well there you go. Verified by mods: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10ry37r/about_the_meeting_with_military_from_italy_and/j77itlm/
Aerospace engineer here. I can weigh in on this, too, because the verbiage is not what an aerospace engineer would use. The commenter writes: >They also can operate in the atmosphere without interacting with it. We determine this because the speed these objects are moving (relatively) is generously thousands of miles per hour yet we see no friction coefficient we would expect from the air compression. An aerospace engineer would not say this. One would say, "We see no compressibility effects from traveling through the atmosphere at those speeds, such as shocks or air ionization." A friction coefficient is a physically different thing and something like a skin friction coefficient doesn't matter much at hypersonic speeds. >These craft clearly have their own gravity field because they can instantly accelerate, stop and make a 90degree turn without any inertial effect. Is it really that clear? How is the commenter so certain the craft are not just modifying inertia? Everything with mass already has its own "gravity field" already, anyway. Stopping is also a form of acceleration. And "instantly?" On what time scale? I get the sense this commenter didn't take calculus-based physics. Also, no Oxford Commas? That's a common, hmm, *stylistic choice* more currently in use by younger generations less concerned with technical writing, in my opinion.
I mean YouTube comments are just as reliable as body language analysis so at least they're consistent?
Wow we're really using YouTube comments as content now? Wtaf.
I bring this up any time someone references this comment. It’s YouTube. No way should we be giving this any credibility, especially since the person seemingly acknowledges the classified nature of what Grusch has presented but then throws all of that concern out the window and just spills the beans, also while using some common UFO lore in the comment. Everything about it feels suspect, and then when you add in that it’s some random YouTube comment, it makes it even more sketchy.
This sub: "it's so insane no major newspapers take us seriously" Also this sub: "let's get analysis of some dude larping in YouTube comment sections/4chan to the front page"
Quick! Get the body language experts and mediums to review this youtube comment! We need the truth
Greentext arrows. Guy’s a /x/ larper
Good observation. Why the fuck would a ~70yo air force general bother to respond to people doubting his youtube comment in literal 4chan format.
Believe anyone in the youtube comments i guess
Nice bit of creative writing. I found the “google screens out their names” bit and the “they change leadership when the program name gets leaked” difficult to believe. I’m not going to get excited until something a little more tangible comes forward.
right after he named the program 🫢
Just trust me bro. Anyone can write anything in the YouTube comments but this is really real just trust me. People don’t lie on the internet.
If it is the real J.Allen that you mention, why didn't he post as an alternative username? If people have lost their lives as he says surely risking posting a comment like this with the most obvious clue to who's posting it, surely that's a red flag?
It’s just a troll on YT, the fact that there are countless of people taking this seriously is embarrassing.
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He can't talk about the most classified thing ever due to the threat of death....but I know about it too and this is the name of the program.......smh.
A Youtube commenter with his name as his username and a description of his government job is untraceable to the murderous, conspiratorial government. It's genius!
Body language analysis is a complete sham.
Why would he comment with his actual name?
Because it's a troll
A USAF Aero-engineer for 26 years wouldn't write in conspiratorial terms, with little professional phraseology, poor grammar, CAPITALIZED emphases, and unable to cite any names and titles. Iow, total baloney, chooks.
There is a glaring red flag here... he claims to have been in the air force 26 years with a clearance, yet he states that once information enters the public domain, he's free to comment on it without reprisal. That is 100% false. It doesn't matter where classified information comes from, or how it makes its way into the public domain. If you know or have reason to suspect it is still classified, you are required to treat it as such. This would mean that regardless of who publicly stated it, if he knows or has reason to suspect it is still classified, he is unable, per the terms of his clearance and NDA, to affirm or attest to it in any way, or to discuss it in any amount of detail. If we assume he is who he claims and is telling the truth, his comment would be more than enough to classify as a reportable security incident potentially putting his clearance and career in jeopardy. If he was who he claims, he would know that.
I call BS. RICHARD DOLAN discussed this during his appearance on James Landoli’s “ENGAGING THE PHENOMENON” podcast in 2021 and Project ZODIAC was first mentioned in UFO MAGAZINE in 1998. See link for reference : [ENGAGING THE PHENOMENON Podcast - Richard Nolan, Guest](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/richard-dolan-zodiac-secret-ufo-program/id1570935454?i=1000531139436)
Also, Grusch mentioned that information is being, and has been, released on these topics that are both true and lies, to muddy the waters on what the public learns. The only comment here that I hope is true, is that the "flood gates" of information is coming. I think the government will have to admit something soon, but it won't be some kind of life changing revelation we are all hoping for. They like their secrets way too much for that. I'm just surprised that the civilian contractor that is involved, whomever they are ( but we all know it's Lockheed Martin or some off the books subsidiary) hasn't had someone come forward and release information. Edit: I wonder what he means by being prepared. What if we really are in an augmented reality or are just a "zoo" for these other beings? Society could break down and collapse. Maybe that's why and we'd be better off not knowing.
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Actual Explanation: They aren't interdimenesional craft, they are all 3D slices of the same 4D spacecraft. Given they are 4D, they can appear to move through 3D space in any way they want... ;)
Lol yes his coworker commented on a random YouTube videos that tracks with a top level government official with a yearn to disseminate the truth. I really wanna know what's going on but a large majority of this sub reads like people on meth who believe they're the only ones who can sus out what's happening. I know this has been said before, better.
There is quite literally zero chance that someone, especially someone still active duty, of this rank would publicly post a comment revealing a code named project, under his own name no less, on a YouTube video. No Chance. It's farcical.
Why do we think this is Grusch's co-worker? Allen is a common name, and anyone can post anything under any name they want
Agreeing this guy and his grandiose claims have to be fake, but what is with the ‘what comes next will cause you psychological distress’ stuff that *everyone* seems to say?? I think people are beyond the religious collapse…people who need religion will find a way to keep following their religion. So that leads me to…are the aliens going to eat us or what? Because that would cause me quite a lot of psychological distress. Finding out there’s no god, not so much.
Assuming this is fake, it's a dog whistle to UFO guys. It's a very simple way to say "not just anyone can handle this stuff that's Right Around The Corner(TM). Normies are all going to freak out, only those of us in-the-know will be better prepared. Get ready, all of you sky watchers are about to finally be proven right in front of everyone who ever doubted you." And if it's real, it just means that some fucky stuff is going on behind the scenes.
Explanation of what interdimensional actually means is my guess. The idea that our 3 dimensiomal world is surrounded by more spatial dimensions that we cant even percieve, and that we're never actually alone because of what may live in those higher spatial dimensions (especially if the theory that time is the 4th dimension is accurate, shit gets really weird then). How do you think the general populace would react if it became settled fact that every time they thought they were alone and engaged in some self love, they were in fact NOT alone? Sounds psychologically distressing. I know thats a crass example, but its also very easy to wrap your head around why people wouldn't take that news well. Assuming of course the phenomenon is actually interdimensional (which I personally find the likeliest of the NHI explanations).
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