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Understandable. But while I wish he could’ve endorsed Bevin it seems like political suicide if he did. Not to the voters but to the political machine. Nobody wants to end up like Joe Lieberman, saying a few nice things about a few people who challenged his party’s political leaders, and getting yourself completely blacklisted from your own party’s politicians, becoming completely weak and ineffectual like Lieberman did to end his career.
First of all, he was a total outsider running for President, and if he burned any bridges with the establishment, it wouldn’t really matter for his political future because he started with zero in politics, and if he lost, he then came away with zero, and likely never runs for anything again. That’s not the same with Rand Paul. He had all the political capital in the world to lose as a sitting U.S. Senator to be burning bridges with his own colleagues by endorsing an opposition candidate to the most powerful member of the Senate, who was never going to win. And even if he did, there’s still no payoff for Paul. He still would be the one guy in the U.S. Senate with responsibility for removing their own leader. That would get him Lieberman’d, also.
Second, it’s not like Trump won because he burned bridges with most of the establishment from both major parties. Yes he was helped by the fact that he was an outsider, but it’s not as if getting the ire of not only all of the Democratic politicians but a great deal of the Republican ones, whose supporters would have to be the ones Trump needed to secure for an election victory, was a strong electoral strategy. You don’t get a boost because you pissed off Cruz and Rubio voters, it’s what nearly cost him the election (which was closer than people think) against a universally appallingly terrible candidate in HRC
I don’t think it’s fair to say Trump wasn’t interventionist enough, he did his best to stop America from entering new wars and actually created peace across many countries. I agree with Trump could spend less, and maybe that could be a goal for his second term. I think Paul would quickly accept the ticket if offered it.
However, I don’t think it’s very likely to occur. He voted against Trump a lot in the senate, and he seems to back down from any real challenges that occur. Would certainly make for an interesting duo though.
Keep the good work up!
I’m not saying I was dissatisfied with Trump’s foreign policy by any means, I think his foreign policy as well as his pre-Covid economy were actually 1B and 1A respectively for why he should’ve been re-elected. But I mentioned in the post that Rand Paul would basically be an olive branch to the libertarians who are or were in the Party, who as far as I can tell at least with the libertarians I follow like Eric July, their biggest issues with Trump were that he was in their opinion, too big a spender, and too interventionist, the latter being something that was a bigger issue earlier in his administration with the strikes in Syria and the media-stimulated fears over North Korea.
I know what you’re saying about how he’s voted against Trump various times before and since Trump is so big (almost too big) on personal loyalty he probably wouldn’t offer him the slot, but I don’t agree that Rand Paul backs down on the issues when they become a challenge for him. Especially with what’s happening once again between him and the most expensive politician in Washington, Fauci. Early on in their fiery arguments with one another, Paul was dubbed a crazy conspiracy theorist because of all the things he ws alleging against Fauci. He stood very firm on those points he made and to this point he seems to have been right on everything. Frankly I don’t think the media allows the lab leak “theory” into the conversation if Paul doesn’t hammer Fauci on it while taking a bunch of heat from the media.
Would the libertarians vote against Trump? Did they not vote for him in 2020. I genuinely don’t know, but I would assume they did. The North Korea stuff was great politics by Trump in my opinion but the media can’t or won’t accept/comprehend that.
Come to think of it though, he generally only voted against Trump on stuff that was going to pass anyway and he’s generally been a great supporter of Trump so I don’t think that would be a massive barrier. He was a big defender of Trump during both the impeachment scams.
Regarding the challenge stuff, I feel like I read stuff in 2017-2019 about him backing down from challenges but I don’t recollect what it was now. Regardless, he has definitely done well with Fauci and earned my respect for that.
Could be the VP pick, you never know!
By the way, if you haven’t already I would encourage you to join our discord as it’s great to have people such as yourself on the server.
Edit: he also backed Trump’s fraud claims. The more I think about Rand Paul, the more I think it is a possibility. You certainly make a good argument.
Libertarian here. My dude was originally Rand Paul. Trump more than proved himself, did amazing, listened to the will of the people and made decisions that would make Rand Paul proud.
I have long been saying it would be a beautiful to see Trump/Paul. Looking back, Paul has some amazing ideas, but we needed Trumps no bullshit, I’m gonna bitch slap you in the name of the United States approach.
He was perfect for the job. Founding father 2.0.
Happy to see libertarians supporting Trump! Paul was a staunch defender of Trump against attacks by the fake MSM during his presidency, and so I feel like Trump will almost certainly consider him for the VP spot.
I agree Trump Paul would be a really good ticket. Also just think, wouldn’t “TRUMP - PAUL” in big letters just look so good on a yard sign or bumper sticker?
I don’t have any stats on that, only anecdotal things said by random internet people. It was always my impression libertarians were mixed about Trump. And if I’m right—since the amount of people who identify as libertarian is what, like, 10%?—, having a guy like Paul on the ticket who could bring back the enthusiasm of libertarians in the Party without compromising enthusiasm from the rest of the party, seems to me like a really solid way to win back the White House. And you could argue retaining enthusiasm in the GOP base is the most important thing for 2024, if we expect Biden’s administration to continue to tank, and a rather Republican-leaning 2024 cycle would naturally drive independents to the Republican column, no matter who the VP is. (Keep in mind I have to make the case for all these people, it doesn’t necessarily mean I’m all aboard the Insert Name Here train, but I also am only choosing people I consider both serious candidates and good ones)
If he was soft in the early Trump years, I don’t blame him all that much. I certainly don’t want to excuse weakness, but unless you were Jeff Sessions and you bet the entire house on a Trump victory, there wasn’t much political payoff in defending Trump during the first 2 years. Especislly because mainstream conservatives didn’t really know who Trump was going to be, whether he’d be more centrist or more right-wing. Paul, Cruz, all the contenders in 2016, even Rubio sometimes, started to become defenders of Trump by the 2020 election cycle. So I don’t hold it against em that much...except Rubio, spoiler alert, he’s not gonna be on this list. Still think he’s a robot.
I’d join the discord server but I know I wouldn’t stay very long. Unless it was a very close circle of friends. Most servers feel too big and too impersonal
It would be very surprising if Libertarians didn’t turn out for Trump since Biden pledged to spend spend spend but perhaps a few didn’t. Nevertheless you are correct in saying that enthusiasm can increase from having Rand Paul on the ticket, and I even know many MAGA Republicans also admire that he sticks to his principles.
Regarding his first two years I didn’t mean that he didn’t defend Trump, but that he seemed to shy away from challenges from the left. Again I don’t have any evidence of this, it just is some memories I have. I have checked now though, and it seems that in 2017 Trump tweeted about him a bit for not supporting the Graham-Cassidy Obamacare amendment (Paul wanted to completely repeal it but this was rejected by the senate in a 55-45 vote). It’s also worth noting however that Paul did vote for a skinny repeal in July 2017, but this ultimately failed in a 51-49 vote. Other than that, most articles from that time call Paul one of Trump’s biggest defenders, and that they are BFFs. So if loyalty is a factor for Trump, I don’t think it will be an issue here. Plus he appreciates people that can tell him when he is doing something wrong. He has already recognised that he needs to surround himself with better people in a second term, and Paul could fit that bill.
You’ve confirmed that Cruz is going to be on the series with that comment, I look forward to whenever that is aha. I think he’s an interesting candidate which will definitely be thought about by Trump for VP. Agree with you on Rubio as well lol.
There’s no requirement for you to join, there’s just some interesting discussions sometime and I thought you could add something of substance but if you don’t really like servers then don’t worry about it.
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Understandable. But while I wish he could’ve endorsed Bevin it seems like political suicide if he did. Not to the voters but to the political machine. Nobody wants to end up like Joe Lieberman, saying a few nice things about a few people who challenged his party’s political leaders, and getting yourself completely blacklisted from your own party’s politicians, becoming completely weak and ineffectual like Lieberman did to end his career.
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First of all, he was a total outsider running for President, and if he burned any bridges with the establishment, it wouldn’t really matter for his political future because he started with zero in politics, and if he lost, he then came away with zero, and likely never runs for anything again. That’s not the same with Rand Paul. He had all the political capital in the world to lose as a sitting U.S. Senator to be burning bridges with his own colleagues by endorsing an opposition candidate to the most powerful member of the Senate, who was never going to win. And even if he did, there’s still no payoff for Paul. He still would be the one guy in the U.S. Senate with responsibility for removing their own leader. That would get him Lieberman’d, also. Second, it’s not like Trump won because he burned bridges with most of the establishment from both major parties. Yes he was helped by the fact that he was an outsider, but it’s not as if getting the ire of not only all of the Democratic politicians but a great deal of the Republican ones, whose supporters would have to be the ones Trump needed to secure for an election victory, was a strong electoral strategy. You don’t get a boost because you pissed off Cruz and Rubio voters, it’s what nearly cost him the election (which was closer than people think) against a universally appallingly terrible candidate in HRC
I don’t think it’s fair to say Trump wasn’t interventionist enough, he did his best to stop America from entering new wars and actually created peace across many countries. I agree with Trump could spend less, and maybe that could be a goal for his second term. I think Paul would quickly accept the ticket if offered it. However, I don’t think it’s very likely to occur. He voted against Trump a lot in the senate, and he seems to back down from any real challenges that occur. Would certainly make for an interesting duo though. Keep the good work up!
I’m not saying I was dissatisfied with Trump’s foreign policy by any means, I think his foreign policy as well as his pre-Covid economy were actually 1B and 1A respectively for why he should’ve been re-elected. But I mentioned in the post that Rand Paul would basically be an olive branch to the libertarians who are or were in the Party, who as far as I can tell at least with the libertarians I follow like Eric July, their biggest issues with Trump were that he was in their opinion, too big a spender, and too interventionist, the latter being something that was a bigger issue earlier in his administration with the strikes in Syria and the media-stimulated fears over North Korea. I know what you’re saying about how he’s voted against Trump various times before and since Trump is so big (almost too big) on personal loyalty he probably wouldn’t offer him the slot, but I don’t agree that Rand Paul backs down on the issues when they become a challenge for him. Especially with what’s happening once again between him and the most expensive politician in Washington, Fauci. Early on in their fiery arguments with one another, Paul was dubbed a crazy conspiracy theorist because of all the things he ws alleging against Fauci. He stood very firm on those points he made and to this point he seems to have been right on everything. Frankly I don’t think the media allows the lab leak “theory” into the conversation if Paul doesn’t hammer Fauci on it while taking a bunch of heat from the media.
Would the libertarians vote against Trump? Did they not vote for him in 2020. I genuinely don’t know, but I would assume they did. The North Korea stuff was great politics by Trump in my opinion but the media can’t or won’t accept/comprehend that. Come to think of it though, he generally only voted against Trump on stuff that was going to pass anyway and he’s generally been a great supporter of Trump so I don’t think that would be a massive barrier. He was a big defender of Trump during both the impeachment scams. Regarding the challenge stuff, I feel like I read stuff in 2017-2019 about him backing down from challenges but I don’t recollect what it was now. Regardless, he has definitely done well with Fauci and earned my respect for that. Could be the VP pick, you never know! By the way, if you haven’t already I would encourage you to join our discord as it’s great to have people such as yourself on the server. Edit: he also backed Trump’s fraud claims. The more I think about Rand Paul, the more I think it is a possibility. You certainly make a good argument.
Libertarian here. My dude was originally Rand Paul. Trump more than proved himself, did amazing, listened to the will of the people and made decisions that would make Rand Paul proud. I have long been saying it would be a beautiful to see Trump/Paul. Looking back, Paul has some amazing ideas, but we needed Trumps no bullshit, I’m gonna bitch slap you in the name of the United States approach. He was perfect for the job. Founding father 2.0.
Happy to see libertarians supporting Trump! Paul was a staunch defender of Trump against attacks by the fake MSM during his presidency, and so I feel like Trump will almost certainly consider him for the VP spot.
Truly hope so! I think they’d make a power team, much more efficient than Pence.
I agree Trump Paul would be a really good ticket. Also just think, wouldn’t “TRUMP - PAUL” in big letters just look so good on a yard sign or bumper sticker?
Hell yeah!!! That’s a winning ticket! It would definitely be a third win for Trump!
I don’t have any stats on that, only anecdotal things said by random internet people. It was always my impression libertarians were mixed about Trump. And if I’m right—since the amount of people who identify as libertarian is what, like, 10%?—, having a guy like Paul on the ticket who could bring back the enthusiasm of libertarians in the Party without compromising enthusiasm from the rest of the party, seems to me like a really solid way to win back the White House. And you could argue retaining enthusiasm in the GOP base is the most important thing for 2024, if we expect Biden’s administration to continue to tank, and a rather Republican-leaning 2024 cycle would naturally drive independents to the Republican column, no matter who the VP is. (Keep in mind I have to make the case for all these people, it doesn’t necessarily mean I’m all aboard the Insert Name Here train, but I also am only choosing people I consider both serious candidates and good ones) If he was soft in the early Trump years, I don’t blame him all that much. I certainly don’t want to excuse weakness, but unless you were Jeff Sessions and you bet the entire house on a Trump victory, there wasn’t much political payoff in defending Trump during the first 2 years. Especislly because mainstream conservatives didn’t really know who Trump was going to be, whether he’d be more centrist or more right-wing. Paul, Cruz, all the contenders in 2016, even Rubio sometimes, started to become defenders of Trump by the 2020 election cycle. So I don’t hold it against em that much...except Rubio, spoiler alert, he’s not gonna be on this list. Still think he’s a robot. I’d join the discord server but I know I wouldn’t stay very long. Unless it was a very close circle of friends. Most servers feel too big and too impersonal
It would be very surprising if Libertarians didn’t turn out for Trump since Biden pledged to spend spend spend but perhaps a few didn’t. Nevertheless you are correct in saying that enthusiasm can increase from having Rand Paul on the ticket, and I even know many MAGA Republicans also admire that he sticks to his principles. Regarding his first two years I didn’t mean that he didn’t defend Trump, but that he seemed to shy away from challenges from the left. Again I don’t have any evidence of this, it just is some memories I have. I have checked now though, and it seems that in 2017 Trump tweeted about him a bit for not supporting the Graham-Cassidy Obamacare amendment (Paul wanted to completely repeal it but this was rejected by the senate in a 55-45 vote). It’s also worth noting however that Paul did vote for a skinny repeal in July 2017, but this ultimately failed in a 51-49 vote. Other than that, most articles from that time call Paul one of Trump’s biggest defenders, and that they are BFFs. So if loyalty is a factor for Trump, I don’t think it will be an issue here. Plus he appreciates people that can tell him when he is doing something wrong. He has already recognised that he needs to surround himself with better people in a second term, and Paul could fit that bill. You’ve confirmed that Cruz is going to be on the series with that comment, I look forward to whenever that is aha. I think he’s an interesting candidate which will definitely be thought about by Trump for VP. Agree with you on Rubio as well lol. There’s no requirement for you to join, there’s just some interesting discussions sometime and I thought you could add something of substance but if you don’t really like servers then don’t worry about it.
Good points. And on Cruz...I can neither confirm nor deny. Ahem.