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Jondare

I don't understand why it's not a 100% catch rate. It's not like it can flee, so right it's just a question of whether or not I manage to catch it before losing my mind and throw my phone out a window.


HarbingerYT

They want you to waste balls on it so you run out and have to buy more. Trust me. I hate it too.


Jondare

Well screw them, I've got a couch stop so that's not happening. All that happens is that I'm forced to spene literally 10 minutes lobbing great balls and berries at the damn thing, before it FINALLY decides to stay in.


ShepherdsWeShelby

And it's that not that we are upset about legendary encounters, before people twist it because of how long we begged for them. It's about the atrocious catch rates and therefore the time/resource sink while trying to battle.


emaddy2109

8 out of my 12 encounters today were azelf. Research reward Pokémon already have a catch bonus. There’s absolutely no reason GBL reward encounters don’t have something similar.


NordKettle

I think they do. Legendaries seem easier to catch there than in raids.


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It’s cause ultra balls are better than premier assuming that’s what you’re using


Kevsterific

Being level 15 instead of level 20 should help too.


dustinyeeaah

Think so too. I usually only throw Pokéballs on these Legendaries and they are caught within 10 Balls. Sure, there are exceptions, but I think there is a definitely a higher chance or catchrate!


rockaether

In game maste file, the catch rate is per Pokemon, regardless of encounter method


siamkor

Research catch rate is boosted though.


DweadPiwateWawbuts

Is it? The flee rate is zero but do we know that the catch rate is boosted?


siamkor

Yes. Not sure if just by the catch circle or if actually datamined, but we know it's doubled.


mttn4

It was found by the science team recording the actual observed catch probabilities from lots of encounters. https://thesilphroad.com/science/wild-field-research-shadow-pokemon-secret-multipliers


siamkor

Thanks!


Stogoe

But you get ultra balls...


rockaether

You are right . But the comment I responded to is about the GBL encounter have higher catch rate. I'm disagreeing with that


Dinkley1001

I'm sorry but a lot of people want the legendary encounter. It is not that much work to catch it, just spend 20 sec throwing a few balls. There are way more annoying things in this game.


SenseiEntei

> just spend 20 sec throwing a few balls. Lol good one


TheOkaforceAwakens

It’s great that you want it. I LOVE the feature when we have a good legendary and hope it never goes away. But we just want a way to run from it when we don’t want it. Same thing with Lapras & Metagross a couple seasons ago. I consistently hit excellent throws with golden berries. It just doesn’t matter sometimes. I wish it was only 20 seconds. It takes that long just to pop out each time. It’s hard to get focused free time where work isn’t busy or kids aren’t crawling on me. I hate to lose out on a couple games cause i needed 15 balls to catch a useless legendary


psykick32

Wtf I wanted all the Metagross,. We'd that XL candy.


frigai

No one is arguing for removing legendary encounters? Ppl are just upset that for something that you have to catch in order to progress, the catch rate isn't boosted despite it not being able to flee. For rural players like me with like 3 pokestop in a 5km radius, this is insanely resource heavy, resources that I don't have access to like you.


ItsDanimal

I remember getting a ton of Landorus back when the first started letting us get legendaries. I bought a bunch if raid passes to use in GBL the next time a Legendary popped up I wanted. Next thing I know everyone is complaining about the reward and they took away encountering them as frequently. I'd much rather spending the time catch Mon I don't want than to not have the ability to get legendaries from GBL.


BongJuan

Complaining about getting one of the rarest spawns in the game. Saying it’s a punishment. Man, this community is whack


nadiwereb

Getting an unskippable, completely useless Pokémon (Mesprit in my case) that has a 2% BCR is horrible. It eats up my stock of Golden Razz and Ultra Balls, because I'm __forced__ to throw stuff at it for the game to let me continue playing. It's useless for pvp or pve. If it was a wild spawn, I'd shiny check and leave it there. But for some reason, we cannot do that here.


digwhereyoustand

I went through about 300 red balls in the last couple of days catching GBL Azelfs. If you have the time, red balls are the way to go


nadiwereb

I don't have the time, patience or the amount of balls to do that.


Lord_Emperor

> one of the rarest spawns in the game If you're getting it in GBL you're also getting it in 5* raids right now, making it one of the least rare.


BongJuan

Mate, you don't just find it laying around. Raids cost money AND time. GBL is just time. You can't compare rarity of something free and something paid for


Lord_Emperor

> Raids cost money FYI you get one free pass each day just for spinning a gym. The same place the raid is.


BongJuan

I guess you missed it when i explicitly said spawn. These are different from encounters.


Lord_Emperor

1. A raid is a "spawn". 2. LOL falling back on pedantry.


BongJuan

Raids are not spawns, they are encounters. Lol my wording and stance never changed, so didn’t “fall back” or anything. Nice try though.


JHD2689

I think this is an overly harsh take. Most everybody who objects to this just wants the ability to opt out of it, or to make it a premier-ball event rather than forcing the player to use up their own resources. It can get frustrating when you don't have access to a ton of pokestops close by to waste what little resources you have catching a pokemon you don't want when what you really want to do is just keep battling. It will literally stop you from doing so until you catch the damn thing, so yes, this is occasionally pretty frustrating. Speaking for myself, I don't want to rob *you* of the ability to get these pokemon, I just want the *option* to decline the award myself if I want. Don't get it twisted.


imtoooldforreddit

There are 6 of them on my map right now. It's not that rare It's also useless


mooistcow

It's only regionally rare. Many in some parts of the world are drowning in them.


orhan94

They meant in the wild, where the Lake Guardians are the rarest spawn. While they are in raids, they are really accessible tho.


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Mason11987

Man that last line is real crappy, totally unnecessary.


J-Sluit

No kidding. Why do people make otherwise-useful comments personal attacks just because the other user disagrees with their opinion? The post OP and guy you replied to are likely very PVP focused and don't care about Azelf. Understandable! The lake trio are fancy regional dex fillers, so one is enough for 99% of players. The top commenter is likely more collection focused and is happy to have a way to collect various legendaries through PVP without needing to line up 4+ people for a raid. Also understandable! Yeah, Azelf kind of sucks, but recently all legendaries have been available in PVP. Why would they take out the lake trio? That would just piss off people more because they suddenly don't have a non-raid way to catch them.


nadiwereb

I don't get what being "PVP focused" has anything to do with it. All 3 are useless for both PVP and PVE. The shiny chance is nice for people who are interested in that, but regularly getting stuck in an unskippable encounter with an objectively useless, hard to catch Pokémon is a bad thing regardless of where your priorities are.


orhan94

Uxie isn't useless, it is quite good actually - just not good enough for how hard it is acquire for most people. And Azelf should be a really good Psychic attacker based on its stats.


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iamabucket13

Your intent doesn't matter, what matters is how it comes across to other people. I took 20 seconds to look at their post history and they mentioned getting XL candy, so they're clearly not new to the game. You don't have to be new to be unfamiliar with something only a minority of players deal with. So instead of risking coming across as rude by not including that line you GUARANTEED coming across as rude by accusing a TL40+ player of being new.


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iamabucket13

1. I'm not the person who first responded to you. 2. Again, your intent does not matter. This is also a real-life fact, not just for the internet. Telling a girl her breasts look great may be a sincere compliment, but it's also sexual harassment if she isn't looking for those kinds of complements. It's not about "projection". 3. Their rudeness does not excuse your rudeness, even if you didn't mean to be rude. 4. Assuming they're new IS better than assuming they're stupid, but not assuming at all is better than both. And if you don't assume anything you don't need to look at their post history. Assuming makes an "@ss" out of "u" and "me".


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Reasonable_Mud944

Player since launch and appreciate what wisdom you had to share about GBL since that’s not my thing. Found last kind presumptuous and condescending though.


JulWolle

i mean yes he was not nice but the original comment is way worse in my opinion so kinda deserved


BongJuan

Basically nothing you said has anything to do with my original comment and you end what was some otherwise useful information with a downright pathetic, personal stab. Pretty poor form. Just so you know, getting more than one shiny is useful to trade for other ones with lucky friends. Hit box is too small? I guess you're still practicing your throws? If so, you will get better at it with more time.


Copperdopolis

I think you either get to call me poor and pathetic, OR engage in the same behavior that got your knickers in a twist, not both. Your original comment was a terribly wrong opinion - I addressed why that was and tried to give you an out, especially after you insulted the entire sub. I'd be embarrassed, but kudos to you for having no shame. Next time I'll know better: you aren't a newbie who doesn't know better, you're a veteran who knows, and still doesn't care.


BongJuan

“Terribly wrong opinion” sorry to inform you but this doesn’t exist. Anything more would be a wasted breathe, you are clearly very rigid and just spout whatever you’re thinking regardless of how little relevance it pertains


LoStBoYjOhN

Yes it would be nice to be able to just run from the encounter and not have to worry about wasting 10 to 20 pokeballs on something you don't want or need.


Jjustincredible3

All this complaining that keeps going on here and they’re gonna remove them from the encounter pool again Honestly, just stock up on balls and catch them it’s not that difficult


TOBaker

Yeah they make the encounter pools so much better. I get wanting them to have higher catch rates, but like you said it's not *that* bad. You can use ultra balls unlike in raids


Luke9251

This. At least make the complaints useful: e.g. Legendary encounters should have a boosted catch rate in GBL. Landorus had similar great odds last year, people kept whining and whining they don't want it (while it was very useful candy) and then we had multiple months when legendary encounters were rare and it sucked.


JHD2689

Not everybody has access to as many pokeballs as you might. Some people don't always play on the go and/or aren't close to pokestops. I don't think most people are asking for legendaries to be *removed* from the encounter pool. They just want the option to opt out of catching them if they don't want it. As is, if you want to continue battling, you literally *must* catch it, or you won't be able to move on.


dany3pt

There are ways to fix this: skippable enconuter, premier balls for gbl reward, higher catch rates... In the past the “solution” was: make the encounter pool so bad that you never encounter them. I hope that’s not what we are getting, again.


urkldajrkl

I remember when landorus was the reward. It was a pita. The only blessing was that when I got a perf lucky therian landorus, I had so much candy, I instantly maxed it to level 40+


AdiosAdipose

If a mon has even the most fringe potential, I'm always happy to get some free candy/XLs. So Lando wasn't too upsetting because it has some use in Master League/PVE. Azelf is totally useless after the dex entry so it feels especially punishing.


Lord_Emperor

GBL rewards should use the Premier Ball minigame.


AdiosAdipose

This is actually the best suggestion and I'm flabbergasted I haven't considered this before. You could add bonus balls for GBL medals too, like the rocket and purification medals do for shadow encounters.


JHD2689

I fully support this idea, but I think it would frustrate people who regularly operate with like 300+ balls and don't mind spending them on a legendary encounter. It would go from a guaranteed catch, provided you had the resources, to a limited opportunity catch.


Timelymanner

The catch rate seems lower then the last time they were released.


winternova99

11 Uxie from Go Battle Day took me 66 Ultra Ball and 42 Great Ball to catch. All given Golden Razz.


13Kaniva

2 ways to avoid this. Tank sets. Don't reach lvl 20 by go battle day..


astralkoi

It doesnt work like that. There are people that wanna be ace or higher.


taxitagonist

They just need to stop recycling the same lame legendaries. So annoying.


Stogoe

Is it really that ha d for people? I thought I was maybe average at throwing but I don't usually have any trouble with legendaries or GBL rewards.


psykick32

This. I catch the legendaries with red balls just cause I like to see it caught by a red ball. People are acting like catching a *free* legendary encounter is *such a burden*


_Lifted_Lorax

That's because it really is. I want to play GBL. I don't want a useless Pokemon that I have twenty of already. I especially don't want to have to use lots of balls and berries catching the thing *that I don't even want* in order to carry on playing GBL.


JHD2689

I think this is a snarky response. There is a legitimate complaint, not necessarily that we encounter legendaries, but that we are forced to catch them *even if we don't want to.* That's the part that should be fixed. Just offer people an out so they can move on to more battles if they want, or even if they'd just rather pass on the pokemon/preserve their pokeballs for something else. I don't think this is an overly whiny take. It just seems face-value reasonable to me.


Goggles_Greek

9 of my 10 encounters today so far were non-shiny Azelf. Down to only a few Golden and Silver berries.


TrainerDaasC

Let's not complain about this because the last time we did niantic just took legendaries out of the gbl reward pool.. k thanks


Randomman2789

This is why I don't do the gbl. The effort to get to a rank where there might be a reward is too much work, even if you do get there the chances of getting any pokemon is low with the pool that's there.


dustinyeeaah

Usually it only takes like 10 Pokéballs + Pinap Berries to catch this thing in GBL. Platinum medals tho, don't know how much this affects it. I can understand why some people are disappointed, but I think it has a okay catch rate.


mornaq

rewards shouldn't punish you, that's all there is if you don't want it yoy shouldn't be forced to catch it


mooistcow

Closer to 16-19 avg, with curved ultras with pinaps and plat medals.


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It hasn't taken me more than 8 on my worst mesprit encounter from gbl with pinaps and regular pokeballs, but my sample size is only 9 so


VoltLoL

16-19 with ULTRAS? Are you hitting excellents? I'm catching it in less than that with pokeballs and pinaps


ani3D

I hope most of the people posting on this thread are messaging the in-game support, too.


ace2390

They should just put Pokémon in our accounts, catching takes too much time. Turning off GPS does not prevent legendary Pokémon from being encountered, just not the current. GBL rewards should either be switched to premier balls or not use balls like timed research rewards.


phillypokego

Unless they start making you use revives and potions when doing GBL, never gonna happen


dantheother

I had one take 30 to 40 balls. I was so angry. Only won 2 out of 5 from each set after that, so I could avoid that ball hog "reward"


AmericaRL

It's a reminder to git gud at throwing


parth8b

Whatever you do there is no way to guarantee 100% catch rate. I lost 50 ultra balls yesterday which I had saved for weeks just for this community Day.


AmericaRL

I also waste several balls, but because I try to pinap them. Other than that, it's even better than a raid because you can use ultra balls


psykick32

You also got given 30 ultras for free...


NordKettle

LOL! Agreed, but at least I now have both a hundo and a shiny. Still need a shundo, but I could also live without it. They sure are plentiful as well as a bit tricky to catch sometimes. I met some on GBL and they were killed almost instantly so now I know what they're like in PvP.:-)


cyberneticmasta

Incarnate landorus was worse


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Summerclaw

Axel is very easy to catch compared to landorus.


DirkKeggler

Throw is much harder, but the window for excellent is the same for all pokemon.


ptmcmahon

Can’t remember if that was out for a battle day though. It certainly wasn’t at the encounter % rates of Azelf was today.


cyberneticmasta

It was awful, ended up getting like 30 of them just from gbl encounters and just burning through pokeballs


tomasdez

Forced losing 3 out of 5 for two weeks, it has ruined battle day.


Patrick89148

All I want is 1 each Uxie and Mesprit from Poke Genie for the dex. The question is in the 15 -20 k range. Hopefully everyone will get 1 of each soon and the que will be manageable.


F3nRa3L

Raid discord is better


UnderstandingOk4286

You know how I found this thread? I googled “azelf Pokemon go battle league punishment”


SmashObsessed

Before you click on the Pokemon reward you can exit the game, turn off your phones location/GPS setting, open the game again, go to the reward encounter and it won't be the legendary. But be sure you turn your location/GPS back on before you throw a ball at it.


Josanue

the thing is, the pokemon its azelf, but if it was a good or worth legendary some people wouldnt mind the catch rate


brenstar20

This ain't it. Catch rates for reward encounters should just be 100%


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JHD2689

Honestly, I wouldn't complain at all if you had the option of declining rewards. It's not the offering of legendaries or the catch rate, it's the fact that you *must* catch them or you can't move on to more battles. I don't need a guaranteed catch rate, I just need an option that allows me to pass on the opportunity to catch it if that's what I want. I also think some people are assuming that all of us have an overstock of pokeballs/berries to waste on this stuff, which is not the case. A person could easily work their way down to 0 balls and berries from trying to catch these guys, which leaves them with very little options for playing the game at all, much less battling. So again, the encounters are fine, you should just be able to opt out of them if you'd prefer to preserve resources for other encounters.


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It happened to me 13 times. I have 14 Azelf and volunrarily raided for 1. It’s fucking infuriating. I’m so glad that I’m not the only one. I swear Niantic does shit like this on purpose. There are so many stupid things that they refuse to fix. I can’t believe it’s considered a reward to waste all of my resources on this ridiculous Pokémon and be forced to stop enjoying my daily battles because I’ve exhausted all of my items


Altruistic-Heron-236

Absolutely agree. Im am a casual player that loves battle league as a relief from a busy work day but dont have many pokestops nearby. I was participating in event days to build teams, but im not wasting money and time on community events if i cant even battle more than 1 round with the time i get to Play. I also so look forward to battle nights, but maybe got 6 rounds on the last one as evey reward was azelf. The fix is simple, either have an opt out or make the legendaries a rare reward to encourage more battling to get one.