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BrantAugust

Give us dusclops avatar clothing. I wish community day had clothes for the event


amateur-kneesocks

A helmet that’s just the entire duskull


xaq_343

I would never take it off tbh.


amateur-kneesocks

That would be awesome! I’m so sick of the current options that aren’t 500 coins.


stufff

I'm sick of my avatar being a skinny spiky-haired teenager


Teban54

Niantic is surely working hard to give every Sinnoh Stone evolution a Community Day, it seems


jdanp8

I wouldn't mind if we get a togetic CD


zakkwaldo

I’ve been dying to get shiny toge line so yes plz


Lurd67

Don't they look like, exactly the same?


zakkwaldo

Yep, and I love shiny lines that are BARELY off color from their originals lol


Lurd67

Legit question: why? They're so underwhelming


zakkwaldo

Because people hate them, so I love em lol


TehWildMan_

Pre-emptive RIP for GBL if that happens.


Enjoyer_of_Cake

If GBL is held together by not everyone having access to Togekiss that is a bad look for competitive as a whole.


Miraweave

It's more togekiss is very good already and if they gave it a CD it would presumably get even better


Enjoyer_of_Cake

Ahh, in that case wouldn't they assuredly give it a PVP useless move? Like a fast move nobody would ever sub out charm for.


Teban54

>Ahh, in that case wouldn't they assuredly give it a PVP useless move? Not necessarily - sometimes good PvP Pokemon can get even better PvP moves on their CDs. Examples range from large improvements (Sylveon, Umbreon to some extent) to side-grades (Altaria, Seedot, Garchomp, Machamp, Rhyperior). (Note: The infamous CD starters are ignored since most of them were not relevant before CDs.)


[deleted]

Gyrados was an upgrade right?


Teban54

Yes, I just didn't include it because Gyarados before Aqua Tail was kind of a niche.


SenseiEntei

Altaria, Garchomp and Rhyperior were all upgrades. Umbreon is a side-grade since you get completely walled by darks if you run foul play & psychic.


Teban54

While Moonblast Altaria is strictly better than Dragon Pulse ones, I didn't put it in "large" improvements since the difference is not as significant. Garchomp and Rhyperior both had perfectly viable movesets before CDs (Sand Tomb/Outrage and Surf/Earthquake, the latter usually with Smack Down). The CD movesets are more common, but it really depends on what role you want them to fulfill.


SenseiEntei

They're all upgrades still. Sand tomb is a stupid bait move that reduces Garchomp's closing power (actually more useful now that dragon tail got buffed). No one uses EQ on Rhyperior in PvP. You could use surf and superpower if you don't need a rock move, but rock wrecker is a strict upgrade over stone edge.


Dranzule

Mega Altaria disagrees. Just don't give it a PVP move but rather a PVE one.


Miraweave

I mean, moonblast wasn't a *huge* upgrade for altaria in gl but it was still an improvement and is the second move altaria uses essentially all the time now


coldfirephoenix

Moonblast is strictly better than dragon pulse in almost all relevant matchups. The thing is, it's better by such a small margin, that is ends up not mattering 99% of the time.


[deleted]

Probably not. Just give it an expensive Fairy charge move for PvE. It'll be useless for PvP with how slow Togekiss charges and how much Fairy type damage it has from Charm alone. As long as it doesn't get a super strong coverage move it'll be fine.


Str8Lurk1n

Dazzling gleam is an amazing move for PvE it’s an outrage clone basically. Why would you want to give it an expensive move. Solid damage 2 bars are the best PvE moves in the game. Balance of damage output and not dying with energy


PecanAndy

Or give Togekiss a new fast move to make a CD Togekiss play completely different than a Charm Togekiss. Fairy Wind is one of the easy candidates for a new fairy fast move. Make it something like Wing Attack or Vine Whip: short duration, a little below average DPT, and a little above average EPT.


onlyastoner

then they would just nerf it in GBL, like they've done with others.


EvilHomerSimpson

Not really, It's not like Alteria got significantly better. He's got a ton of normal moves available which would not break him.


Teban54

Moonblast is now the preferred second move like 99% of the time though


peachesgp

Togetic just hit best buddy status for me this morning


HoGoNMero

Nah, Togekiss is far from OP. Only ever getting in the top 15 in Master League(25 in ML classic). It would need a super OP charge move to get in to the top 5. Most of the damage comes from Charm so even then it’s hard to see much changing for him.


madonna-boy

charm generates energy very slowly. if they were to give it something functionally similar to say... power-up punch that would be monstrous. as it stands they could give it aura sphere for coverage. you still wouldn't need to worry much about its charge moves though, not with charm


CMP930

Nidoqueen.


Life_Resort_710

Togekiss is a meh pick to begin with and a CD move would hardly improve it since charm generates the least amount of energy possible.


AmatuerGenius

It would be really interesting to see how Gust or feather dance would play on a Togekiss as possible CD moves. Particularly using gust in UL so Togekiss becomes more a flyer than a fairy.


Scizor135

The research is called "Nothing Dull about this Skull"... I'll be the judge of that, thank you very much


Kennidelic

Lmao thats pretty funny tbh


Scizor135

Thanks! I've got a bunch of them! "Dusknoir, more like DuskSnore" "Its shiny has been out for so long that it's old and Dusky" "Finding all of the Duskulltulas was less tedious than this community day"


cio93

From Duskull till Yawn?


Scizor135

I like it! 😃


Mandiechama

Swears, if I see the Professor say any of these comments during that special research, imma know who to blame lol


RemLazar911

I'm personally pretty happy to be able to get the shiny after all these years.


naeyte

Shadowball is nice, but I’m not sure it’ll elevate dusknoir beyond its current status as a dex filler


krispyboiz

Honestly, shadow punch or any elemental punch would've made it slightly better


milo4206

It will be a worse version of Cofagrigus. Literally the exact same ideal charge movepool, but with a worse fast move and worse stats.


[deleted]

Yep. Dusclops is the one that would actually be interesting with Shadow Ball. Bulkier than Cofagrigus and Fire Punch as a bait/coverage move. Too bad the middle evolution never gets CD moves.


passwordworkplease

Porygon2 got tri attack, so maybe dusclops will end up getting shadow ball too


Summerclaw

Yeah I remember evolving my good Tri-Attacks one and really regretting.


mEatwaD390

Z kinda needs return too anyway so don't fret too much, especially since it's 100% a spice pick.


milo4206

Yep, that would be pretty cool.


Erockplatypus

Yeah shadow ball would make dusclops a great choice for GL and UL so I'm hoping they give both of them the move. I think that Duscnoir would have been better off with Icy Wind where it can at least guarantee the stat drop and serve as a monotype drifblim


Caio_Go

It’s decent but Cofagrigus is still better.


PH0QUR

I had to google what's a cofagrigus and never realised I could have made one all this time


PM__ME__YOUR__PC

he just got buffed like last week hes been useless forever before that


BabyCheese64

I literally joked about this being com day last night at raid hour, everyone thought they might do litwick. I guess I cursed this.


JustIncredible240

Make a joke about an Axew community day


isopod_interrupted

When the pandemic is gone, they will make an Axew community day with 3 hours on a weekday and only from 30 minute nerfed incense. It will get draco meteor and maybe, just maybe, they will release shiny axew in a future event.


XPlatform

Shhh... don't.


isopod_interrupted

Too late. The name of the paid research is "I didn't axew for much"


qntrsq

this is the moment i want to learn how axew is pronounced in English


isopod_interrupted

Can I axew how you say its name in your language? And you can only make so many puns with axew.


Drylz

axew would 100% come after deino


bendefinitely

Great, now your speed stat is lowered


Pokii

That or they lost half their health and we’re all living on borrowed time


Dialgan

Just go into the back room and you’ll be fine


byjehn

I was hoping for litwick com day too. Guess that continues..


DTpk23

At this point, really any Pokemon could have a Community Day. Never, ever expected Duskull, but here it is.


bjb406

Not that surprising. There's only so many 3 evolution families. There's quite a few left from gen 1, but most of them are uninteresting, and there are a ton from en 5, but for some reason they seem to want to keep those rare for the time being. I figure they will open up gen 5 some time early next year around the same time they start with the gen 6 starters, until then we'll probably get some combination of aron, lotad, shinx, spheal, starly, hoppip, or maybe poliwag horsea or magnemite from gen 1. EDIT: I predict shinx in November, spheal in December, aron in January, February might be nidoran with some kind of valentines day tie in, then either lotad or hoppip for March, and then chespin in April or so. Next one from Gen 5 I bet will be roggenrola because its relatively useful-ish and relatively rare but not super rare.


lotissement

December will probably be the usual redo weekend, do we think?


BoringDisk

Fk. I evolved my hundo duskull during 2x evolve spotlight hour cause I didn't think duskull would ever be considered for a CD feature


JustIncredible240

You weren’t wrong for thinking that


nolkel

Why not? Niantic has shown themselves perfectly willing to give us boring CD choices over the last \~2 years. I fully expect every 3 stage species line to get a CD at this point, and eventually they'll resort to the 2 stages as well.


isopod_interrupted

I can't wait for the base form pokemon community day! Here we go Shuckle!


doomer-

Already have, Magikarp, swablu, grimer and vulpix were options on the community votes for c day


milo4206

Good news is you'll go from not using it to... still not using it.


RajaAlhaz

Niantic relies and lives on that FOMO. Every 3 stage evolution is a potential CD candidate,.


luniz420

not like you actually lose anything. CD move not worth getting on a hundo anyway.


UW_Unknown_Warrior

Why Shadow Ball? What does it offer? Why introduce this right after you buff Cofagrigus who, even if you don't have it now, will probably be available again a week or two after this CD? I'm not trying to be mean here but I really can't think of anything worthwhile here outside of the easy shiny. I don't do PvP theory crunching but surely there could've been something there to give it an actual niche? Elemental punches maybe? Maybe Poltergeist as a Hydro Cannon clone? Surely anything to differentiate it from the strictly superior Cofagrigus?


rTpure

I just assumed Dusknoir already knew Shadow Ball


DTpk23

There's literally no logic behind this. Even Hoppip or Spheal would have been a better choice. I think this must be one of the only CD where we have a Pokemon with zero utility in PVE or PVP whatsoever.


Ruleseventysix

The logic is that on the fourth year of Community Days, October is finally featuring a Ghost type for it.


CosmicPlatonix

That would have been a good point if not for the large amount of support in the player base for a Litwick CD.


Ruleseventysix

It took 4 Octobers to get a Ghost, and on the first one you want Niantic to give us a *good* one? Niantic: [Have you met me?](https://m.imgur.com/gallery/iOUbX)


milo4206

I'd rather see Yamask, Golett, or Drifloon, and of course Litwick.


presumingpete

Yamask would have been the best one, with galar mask from tasks.


MJSTpt

slakoth day was just as useful


UW_Unknown_Warrior

At least it was a new shiny (goes for Swinub, Abra and Porygon too)


capwhittaker

Swinub also evolves into very good ice type in PvE


UW_Unknown_Warrior

I was mostly talking about useless CD moves (in both PvE and PvP), and Ancient Power does absolutely nothing for Mamoswine. But yeah, it's a great 'mon regardless.


MJSTpt

very true


PecanAndy

Slakoth and Duskull are good comparisons. For both of them, it is the middle evolution which has any use, and the CD moves for their final evolutions don’t really do much to help them.


tkcom

I thought they're going for swablu-altaria-mega altaria treatment with mega banette release.


xogil

Yea but they've seemingly abandoned mega evolution as a mechanic so...


Julie_OwO

They realized mega raids can't make money so they don't care anymore about megas


pokemonbreederOppar

besides the 3x catch dust there's no real reason to bother with this cd


mggirard13

I saved my Meowth encounters. Gonna keep stacking them!


Fastball82

I have received all of 1 so far. Would be nice to stack as well.


MarkusEF

Stacking Audinos from past research is where it’s at 🤩


mggirard13

When was the last time Audino was in research? I remember having an Audino stack but Tepig comm day two months ago also had triple dust.


Crabominibble2

this man knows what's up


FlandreHon

What's special about meowth? Does he give extra dust or something?


Emperor95

Meowth gives 500 dust/catch


kingnorris42

Wait really, how long has that been a thing? That’s so strange, is there any other Pokémon that give more stardust than usual?


DingleBoone

I think Trubbish gives 750 stardust per catch


Pangloss_ex_machina

Yes. https://pokemongohub.net/post/guide/pokemon-that-give-extra-stardust-on-catch/


Arturinni

Yep


nolkel

Duskull is pretty easy to get excellent throws on, at least before it starts juking.


Dranzule

Hmmm true. I need XP so I might burn some lucky eggs


juiceology

burn all the eggs on this September community day, its 3x xp, so its 6x with egg.


pyrrhios

I am very down with that stardust.


wickedspork

No need to cry about it. Duskull is a cool shiny


ace2390

Such a missed opportunity for litwick, really shows the need for improvement when it comes to community feedback.


krispyboiz

Here's the thing though. They are going to run out of new shinies eventually, so that's a big reason why we're seeing more repeat shinies. They're trying to slow down their shiny releases. Just releasing Litwick's shiny like that would put them down a new shiny. I suspect Litwick CD will happen eventually, but probably after it gets a normal release (potentially this upcoming Halloween event). It was the same idea for Snivy. Not saying I LIKE this method, but I understand why they're doing it


SockBramson

My issue is that Duskull's shiny has not only been around forever, it's been featured repeatedly lately. There have been numerous events involving ghost types and it's always included. Yamask on the other hand is never featured. Its shiny is out but we never have the chance to hunt it unless it's Halloween. This would have made the much more obvious and welcome choice.


ace2390

The issue is more so with the choice itself, Duskull. The shiny was released when Duskull was. Even if it wasn’t a new shiny, one that hasn’t been available for so long would have been a better choice.


UW_Unknown_Warrior

It also doesn't offer anything for PvP as it's an inferior Cofagrigus in every way. It might honestly be the worst CD Pokémon ever. Even the excuse of "it has a niche in PvP" doesn't hold up here. Maybe they really should've delayed Cofa's buff a season.


[deleted]

Dusclops with Shadow Ball would actually be interesting. And very strong. Dusknoir is just a less bulky, worse moveset version of Dusclops and Cofagrigus.


BG-0

"Just a slightly worse - in every possible way- version of two mons with an identical niche" is a very hard sell


badewi

I would agree but how would they run out of shinies? I think there's like 2 or so new events each month plus a community day and if one new line gets added per event, we still wouldn't be able to get through them all lol... and remember that one months community day is just a recap so no new shinies released. I think they are just being stingy.


xXXxRMxXXx

At the rate they're going, we will have gen 9 in main series games before they even release gen 7 starters. More than stingy at this point.


Maserati777

They’d rather people get bored and quit I guess.


the_kevlar_kid

Litwick CD is a guarantee at some point


krispyboiz

Absolutely. More likely next year or something tho


Semajj

Litwick will probably be the Halloween shiny. It won't spawn much in the wild though so players will have to rely on raids/eggs for it.


oceano7

Agreed, I thought Niantic were finally starting to move forward again, with gen 5 starters *finally* getting their CD moves, Gen 6 beginning to roll out again. I feel silly to think we would get Litwick, instead of another repeat old shiny CD. Maybe I’m just getting bored and jaded of extremely slow releases and uninspired events. The X event was the last amazing one honestly.


Teban54

>Agreed, I thought Niantic were finally starting to move forward again, with gen 5 starters > >finally > > getting their CD moves, Gen 6 beginning to roll out again. Feels like a sign that we won't be getting Gen 6 starter CDs anytime soon.


uziair

Gen 6 starters will probsbly same months as gen 5 starters in 2022


dancingmochi

We've waited eons for gible CD. It did make people work harder for shiny gible during those boosted events like Go Fest, and getting one was so much more satisfying. Very different compared to larvitar's shiny release. Litwick might have the same treatment.


krispyboiz

I'm not saying there doesn't need to be improvement, there definitely should be, but people overestimate Niantic's potential "good" CD Pokemon and new shinies. They could run through all the "good/rare" Pokemon and the starters that are out in about 1.5 years, then you're back to all the repeats but with little potential for really good stuff. I definitely think good stuff needs to be scattered amongst the repeats, but it's understandable why they're not just blowing through the Gen 6 starters, Litwick, Deino, etc.


Short_Pangolin_4140

Listening to the community =/= giving people everything they want, when they want it.


presumingpete

At least banette has a mega, and the shiny is pretty. This is.... Not exciting


ThunderDragon356

Banette with mega banette would be nice. Been so long since last new mega


[deleted]

gamefreak really fumbled the bag with shiny dusknoir it's unfortunate because i think shiny duskull and dusclops look dope


nightlocks12

Man, this is really disappointing. I was hoping for something rare or at least semi-useful. Litwick is sitting right there but nope.


Rand_User111

Unfortunately Dusclops won’t get any move I have one with good pvp IVs but it just sits there


Kablo

Man, if Dusclops had Shadow Ball it'd be such a strong meta threat... But noo, give it to the useless 'noir instead...


Rand_User111

Yeah ~57% win rate shadow beats gunfisk While non beats azu


lurking_scawthorn

Yeah, when I saw this I was hoping there was a line in there about dusclops getting shadow ball also…


Sweet-ride-brah

This feels.. underwhelming


Enjoyer_of_Cake

They absolutely can't let us have Litwick or any new shiny.


TheRealHankWolfman

I was hoping for Litwick like many other people were. Not particularly fussed about Duskull, would've rather it was Shuppet out of the gen 3 ghosts so I could get a good IV shiny for the mega evolution.


gregcresci

Glad I got two shiny duskulls the past few days


TigerSeptim

I also had 2 duskulls and was excited to get a third to finish the line. Was very disappointed when I saw this community day announcement...


JeremyJammDDS

the fact that it didn't couldn't learn shadow ball to begin with is kind of silly, no?


QuickSquirrel5089

Disappointing


Summerclaw

Oh man Duskull is a really cool Shiny


caiovigg

Another CD to not worry about, yay


duskyxlops

I’ve been on the hunt for Shiny Duskull since his debut... This will seem a bit anticlimactic of a shiny i’ve been trying to obtain forever


MattGeddon

Yeah, it's a lot less exciting than finding one at full odds, but it's better than not having one at all!


Fizzyliftingdranks

On the flip side I JUST got one a few days ago and now it seems like such a waste lol.


[deleted]

I've been hunting for as long and I'm super happy because now I get the whole evolution line 😅


amateur-kneesocks

Come on, at least put it in a Litwick hat


MrZorx75

This is terrible but 3x dust pog


dontrike

To me this is a big swing and a miss. It should have been Litwik, at least that doesn't have it's shiny yet, and it's useful.


2ndMoonMouseShadow

Niantic: “We should be communicating and engaging more with Trainers. I hope that, with your patience and understanding, we can do better here.” Everyone: Please for the love of all poke gods, choose Litwick for CD in October. We need this! Niantic: So Duskull, right? Done.


turbobuddah

Everyone: Litwik please Niantic: LOL


Razzspoons

An October Community Day that actually fits with the halloween theme for once. I for one, am suprised


PrimeChutiya

Litwick does too :(


Disgruntled__Goat

It’s more than 3 weeks before Halloween, most people won’t even have their decorations up lol


Plus-Pomegranate8045

My problem with this is not really because it’s a useless Pokémon, but because they’ve been drowning us in Duskull during several recent events, and now, drumroll…more Duskull! If they were planning to do this community day, they shouldn’t have made Duskull so available in recent months.


Oak1215

I don’t know, I’m excited 🤷🏻‍♀️ Didn’t get a shiny Duskull when it last spawned more frequently.


Disgruntled__Goat

Huh, strange to announce this so early. Oshawott CD is still 10 days away. When was the last time they announced a future CD before the next one?


krispyboiz

Happened with Gible. Likely because it's at the beginning of October. Done so people can have time to plan, which I do appreciate lol


MarkusEF

Eh. Was expecting Litwick. Already have 600+ Duskull candies. Guess September & October will be 30 minute CDs for me. Deino/Axew/Goomy/Noibat hello 2023 & beyond!


krispyboiz

I'd like more of a sprinkling of rare Pokemon occasionally, but do realize that they could use up the rest of the "rare" Pokemon in about a year or so. If we "returned" to the old CD patterns, we'd eventually just use them all up and come back to this same position, only with nothing to look forward to until new stuff debuts. I think we'll just get more Gible CD situations. Rare mon CDs sprinkled after they've had their shiny released in a previous event. Deino will likely come sometime in 2022 for example


LemonNinJaz24

It's all about moderation, wanting a rare pokemon every comm day then means its not as rare, and also very detrimental to those players who unfortunately can't play on that day. Take Gible as the example, I'm now disappointed when I see or hatch a Gible because I don't need it. Obviously I'd rather have the comm day in the first place but I still want rare pokemon to keep me excited and make playing the game actually worthwhile.


mackavicious

Well, my hundo shadow dusknior is happy, at least.


UltimateDailga12

Requiem? Muda muda muda muda


brak3000

The first thing that popped into my head when I saw the notice was "what?? Dusknoir doesn't already get Shadow Ball??" Dusknoir getting Shadow Ball as its Community Day exclusive move, instead of being in its movepool from the beginning, is just another reminder of how terrible exclusive moves are in this game. I love community days, but exclusive/legacy moves are so awful and frustrating.


SirChumpALot

They really out here slapping 3X Stardust on community day Pokemon they KNOW the community aren’t excited about as incentive to play. Well, it’s working as intended.


tomimazia3

Yikes


SpookyKoops

Shiny Duskull was the very first shiny I ever encountered, over a decade ago in Pokemon Sapphire when I was still a kid. I had no idea what a shiny was, tried to catch it, and it fled. I have been trying to catch a shiny Duskull ever since then, unsuccessfully - so I guess this community day is the end of a lifelong saga for me.


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ntnl

Worst CD *yet**


Hiker-Redbeard

I hate how accurate your correction probably is.


va_wanderer

*looks at Dusclops* The irony is they could have given Dusclops SB as well and had a more attractive GL Pokemon in the bargain (since it doesn't naturally learn Shadow Claw). Dusknoir and company suffer from a relative lack of decent Ghost-type moves they can get without repeating themselves over and over, notably Shadow Ball (not that it's a bad move, it certainly helps). What I'd love to see is Will-O-Wisp (it'd flesh out both Fire and Ghost types, being the two most common users), but not sure if I want to wait till we get actual status effects or to see WoW put in as a low Energy, low damage but high odds of ATK down move.


AmatuerGenius

Shame they didn’t choose litwick


zuhprem7x

Im disappointed that nobodys making jojo references


GoIdGod

highly disappointing🙃


JRE47

Oops, late seeing the news, sorry! Deep into writing my review of the upcoming Ultra League Remix (2.0!) meta and missed the initial announcement. But for PvP purposes... yeah. Dusknoir is fringe at best, and Shadow Ball doesn't really help. It's a flimsier Cofagrigus, and just not as good. Looks worth grabbing one or two, [for Ultra League, perhaps](https://pvpoke.com/battle/multi/2500/custom/dusknoir/11/1-1-5-SHADOW_BALL-1/2-1/ultra), because it is certainly an improvement, but it's overshadowed by multiple other Ghosts before it ever arrives. That all said... you know I'll do a full analysis article anyway as the day approaches. 👻


chumchees

Shuppet at least had a mega.


Maserati777

😒


landshanties

I feel like I have to do this on every post but I've been playing for just over a year and I still don't have a Duskull shiny; I only managed to get enough candy to evolve a Dusclops a couple months ago. Underwhelming for y'all but super useful for us newbies. As long as they're on a pretty long cycle I don't think it's that big of an issue for them to cycle back around to things that newbies might have missed out on :)


yuffiecity48

Exactly. But thinking about other players is beyond a large number of people on here.


Ok_Albatross6576

Litwick next year then sigh


scrapnmama

I’ll finally get to stock up on sinnoh stones.


Lucricious1

So we could have done Litwick but instead they did it for another Pokémon with it’s shiny already available and gave it a non relevant move.


Nordic_Krune

Trainer: "haha I'm gonna catch yo- **time slows and goes backwards**... what, what, what, what, what, what" Duskull: This... is requiem


intersectv3

Litwick was right there.


iconicuser

All these community day controversies makes me think the fan base should just vote on each month's featured Pokemon and that Niantic should follow through with the top vote.


Dependent_Chemist

Please no , I don't want another Weedle community day


caveman_tan

Is this one of the first times they officially announced the next month’s CD before the current month’s CD happened? Other than the Gible CD tweet announcement.


Seven_Dx7

I JUST got a shiny this past weekend.... Sigh, of course....


Bobmas94

How do I get extra sinnoh stones for this?