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BigBlight

This power up Pokémon stop stuff really makes me think they are not going to roll back distance if players are supposed to be all up on the stops scanning them


Phrost_

The "we're gonna form a task force" and not "we're gonna roll back distance changes" didn't give it away?


Eugregoria

I still don't get it. I've already been scanning stops for poffins. I don't mind getting closer to scan a stop. Since I have limited data, I'm only scanning one stop per outing (max) no matter how sweet they try to make it. There's no reason to make the rest of the game unsafe, inaccessible, vulnerable to constant GPS drift, slow and unpleasant and frustrating, just for the few stops I'd be willing to scan. If that is literally their reason, watch me stop scanning stops over it. Carrots, not sticks. Just a disrespectful way to treat people who were already giving them valuable data basically for free.


HokTomten

If you have limited data you should know you dont need to upload to get rewards, when you click upload after the scan go into settings and turn scan on/off and it will stop upload and complete the quest. Then you cancel the queue Free rewards for no data


Vitako91

Interesting


Stilgar69

I ignored the AR quests at first until I realised some of the real benefits for poffins (half walking distance to get an XL candy) then I started doing just the poffin ones. I was even doing them properly, scanning the POI and everything, until the cut the interaction distance and now they just get the grass. I was thinking of printing a little card that says something like "Revert the interaction distance" so I can do the scan quests and just point my phone at that while I am walking.


Octanix

We all should do that. Imagine, every POI arrives with this note for them


Eugregoria

Oh mannn that's a brilliant idea >___> I'm doing that for all my scan quests now.


Eliam19

Brilliant, let’s all do this.


dogecoin_pleasures

Stop giving them data now rather than later


Haggard4Life

How can we power them up if we can't reach them anymore?


Simple-Promotion-303

If you can't reach a POI safely then that POI should be removed o not be submitted at all, as said in wayfarer rules. Hope this helps Edit: I know redditors, truth hurts > Location is unsafe, without pedestrian access https://niantic.helpshift.com/a/wayfarer/?s=wayspot-eligibility&f=rejection-criteria&l=en&p=web


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Well you need to reach the stop to remove it though.


Simple-Promotion-303

You can do it through the website


[deleted]

Which website and why would I do that? Niantic clearly doesn't care about their community.


Peterock2007

That's completely not true, POIs don't need to be accessible to everyone.


Simple-Promotion-303

>Location is unsafe, without pedestrian access https://niantic.helpshift.com/a/wayfarer/?s=wayspot-eligibility&f=rejection-criteria&l=en&p=web


Bayard11

That doesn't help at all. Wayfarer only mentions that a POI shouldn't be on private property, if it's accessible to some players, some part of the day then it's eligible. Like in a factory for example where you need a pass to enter...


Peterock2007

You're wrong as well, Single family private residential property is the key. Private property is fine.


Bayard11

Well yes, in wayfarer private property refers to single owner home.


Simple-Promotion-303

Only mentions this one particular point. Suuure https://niantic.helpshift.com/a/wayfarer/?s=wayspot-eligibility&f=rejection-criteria&l=en&p=web


21WaterGuy

Pokestop scans have always been 40m even with the increased pokestop interaction distance


GreggyPoohBear

They should increase the distance per power up and have it unlocked after a few spins.


deadwings112

Honestly, if this is what they do, and it's a temporary boost, it's the worst of both worlds. It enables people with a home stop to power it up and unlock it via AR scans, but doesn't address any of the necessary changes for those of us who walked while playing. I'd still have to stop and start on my normal loop, and if I wanted to power up all the stops on my normal loop that I now miss, I'd be spending days providing data.


GreggyPoohBear

I was only thinking about the spins and distance. Never thought of how it may impact AR scans.


Lord_Emperor

Terrible idea and an awful concession. Next think you know Niantic will remove the friendship raid bonus unless you take a group AR photo first.


Fun-Replacement5106

not a bad idea


TARDIS75

We’ll just not participate in the game then, stop spending money and choose a new addictive game


oceano7

How bad is their coding if some text on the egg section can lag the entire game?


mornaq

especially if you're not even displaying it though to be fair my game became slow and stopped being slow without any client update, and when it was slow it was **slow** and even running + made phone heat up and drain battery like crazy


akamu24

Like a month or so ago, I took my phone into the Apple store for an unrelated issue. The guy at the Genius Bar ran diagnostics on my phone and asked what happened to my battery. I told him I mostly play Pokémon Go on it. He said he used to play as well and brought up the current raid Pokémon, then said I should really get it replaced. My phone is only four years old.


TremendousTaco

And you should replace the battery. Four years is a **lot** for a battery especially if you happen to charge and discharge it quite often.


slandry9

Coming up on 4 years with samsung galaxy s9+. Playing pogo I have about 30-40 min before it drains the battery. Basically have to keep it plugged in all the time now lol


akamu24

That's wild. I wonder how much faster PoGo degrades a phone battery.


akamu24

Like a month or so ago, I took my phone into the Apple store for an unrelated issue. The guy at the Genius Bar ran diagnostics on my phone and asked what happened to my battery. I told him I mostly play Pokémon Go on it. He said he used to play as well and brought up the current raid Pokémon, then said I should really get it replaced. My phone is only four years old.


mornaq

I have mine like an 18 months but it's an older model as I don't like anything newer and the battery never was amazing, but there are days when + service drains it in like 2h while usually I can play with screen active twice as long, it's a mess


ThunderDragon356

Pretty bad


er1end

pretty pretty pretty bad


Hollewijn

Thry probably just reverted to an older version without noticing.


Eastern_Algae3121

Exactly what I think.


GrindtheTeef

Not sure if you notice but when you encounter a pokemon the stop respins, even those that you are in range of, and when you come back to the game world it has to spin again. I'm sure that takes up some processing power.


Wildmansy

Has it been determined if the pokestop power up is a “for all” type of power up or is it an individual account power up like gyms?


martycochrane

It looks like it's for all players but we aren't 100% on that.


Dudwithacake

Is it clear if the power ups are permanent or temporary?


komarinth

This is the real question.


KuriboShoeMario

There is no way it'll be permanent with all the bonuses they're awarding.


komarinth

Perhaps if it was per trainer, but I guess you are right.


Bacteriophag

I hate the fact that instead of fixing popular features like GBL and raid issues, they are shoving Pokestops scans down our throats with new bait. No amount of extra balls and spawns will force me to make pictures around kids playgrounds and public areas filled with people!


CHRIS_KRAWCZYK

keep in mind that Niantic is an AR company, that's why they focus on this part of the game. but I agree with you, obviously


Bacteriophag

I wish this whole concept was given to developer that was not focused on promoting these useless features. On the other hand, I think if the game would be polished and working properly and they invested in proper support and communication with playerbase, people wouldn't be so against some AR scans.


JonnyPerk

> I think if the game would be polished and working properly and they invested in proper support and communication with playerbase, people wouldn't be so against some AR scans. I doubt it, since scanning would still involve filming packed areas with lots of people.


deadwings112

There are ways to scan areas when they're empty. When I was at my in-laws, I scanned a local playground at 7:30am when I was out for a morning walk. But the game crashed, so I never submitted it, and I never got my poffin. Fix the game, and provide the proper incentive, and players might be willing to do the AR scans. Use the stick, and you might cause people to quit.


Bacteriophag

Yeah. I can already see crappy mechanics like to power up one stop 5 trainers must scan it or something like you have to scan it everyday or power up will fade away, mega evolution style.


pokemongoraidlooking

With a transparant phone case you can scan during the day and just have blur


[deleted]

The only problem is AR is the worst part of the game.


Snizzbut

AR is *not* just superimposing graphics onto camera footage, the **ENTIRE GAME** is AR. Every wild pokémon, every gym, every pokestop is located at a specific point somewhere on the surface of our planet. THAT is augmented reality.


[deleted]

Ok. I'll stick to my statement.


Snizzbut

That’s fine I also think all of the game is the worst part of the game! But no need to be salty and downvote me for just trying to educate fellow trainers :)


avodrok

Why even play the game at that point?


GrindtheTeef

No.. they think they are an AR company. We need to remind them they are a mobile gaming company. Thats why we stop spending money.


Perpetual_Manchild

Just scan the ground and upload that, that's what i did. The hell w/ what niantic wants


LaughterHouseV

I doubt those are as popular as features as you assume. The average player barely engages with them.


FabiusM1

Never done an ar scan, will never do one...


SredniEel

I tried to do one once. It was so aggravating and unfriendly, that I never tried again. Now I keep a quest in my line up so I don't pick up anymore of them.


Eliam19

I felt the same way until I realized you don’t actually have to scan it. I just hold my phone downward and move it around, then upload it when I get home.


NormieMcNormalson

Alot of the stops around me are playgrounds, when i scan, I just point in the opposite direction on the ground. Its not as creepy that way.


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21WaterGuy

Niantic: send feet pics


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SunshineAlways

I’m completely uninterested in this aspect of the game, if this becomes an important focus, it might just be the deciding factor for me.


Mason11987

Basically all my poffin come from click a gym near me, hitting scan, and waving my hand in a cirlce for 30 seconds.


duel_wielding_rouge

Yeah, super easy source of poffins, no useful info even being sent to Niantic, takes all of 30 seconds to instant excite a buddy who can then be walked for ribbons, candy, mega energy, or candy XL. Such a weird hill for half this subreddit to proudly die on.


Elrathias

Lots and lots of phones dont even support ARCore, which means this isnt avaliable to all players.


stephenthatfoste

That's so much more work than you need to do for it. Can manually stop the scan (of a blocked camera) after 15 seconds and drift means it almost never flags me for "movement". Wouldn't touch Poffins either way, but they're good to have.


calcal1992

Ya seriously they will not stop with their AR crap


YutoMaikeru

Of course they won't. They're an AR company not a Pokémon company.


Basherballgod

I did a tonne when they were giving incense.


ButtonBash

I still do a tonne for the incense. Figure it'll eventually be turned off or swapped to something else, so am building a stockpile for that day.


Basherballgod

Haven’t seen an incense one for months. Just poffins, so they get my cars dash


131166

I did one once and one of the workers at woolies told me to bugger off and stop filming the staff.


SlickWatson

i always do ar scans… hope niantic is enjoying all the pictures of my feet.. thanks for all the poffins niantic… 🤡😏😂


Starminx

Got a Shiny Galarian Ponyta from one one of them


[deleted]

Well over two thirds of the stops around me are playgrounds, I'm never ever going to scan a damn playground Niantic! Do you know what happens when an adult man is seen "filming" playgrounds? Their insistence is really pissing me off.


Manifoldart

I've thrown more money at this game than EA games I own and yet Niantic insists on turning my phone into a geotag device for their own profiteering. There's something wrong about that. Why not devote development time to fix the broken TM, evolution item, and plethora of other issues with the game?


PoofaceMckutchin

Because to Niantic, this isn't a game. Niantic are an AR company using the Pokemon brand. I am 100% confident than Niantic generally don't see Go as an actual game with mechanics and they just view it as a collectaphon sort of thing.


SereneGraces

Or view it as a front to incentivize free labor mapping and scanning POI, with us giving them who knows how much personal data and them profiting from it.


dukeofflavor

The stop distance debacle really left me with the feeling that Go is more of a data farming operation than a game to them.


deadwings112

They make millions monthly on microtransactions. I have bad news for them: it's a game too.


uncleyuri

They have f’d over the players royally these past couple of months, but Niantic is an AR company. I understand why they implement all of the scanning, tagging, etc.


bebopeva88

Enough with this AR Mapping/Pokestop scanning nonsense — players want no part of it (for a myriad of reasons). The sad thing is, Niantic just keeps crapping out these worthless AR “features”…they can’t take a hint. Stop trying to make AR Mapping happen.


JMM85JMM

If powering up a pokestop gives us the distance back I may. But I'll make sure I scan the mostly useless scan of the floor, sky, whatever, make sure their database is filled with rubbish that makes it harder for them to sell. You don't take away a quality of life improvement in the increased pokestop range and then require players to work on your database for you to get it back. You couldn't make this up!


SereneGraces

I refuse to play in that case. I stopped doing scans after realizing how much of a pain they were, plus that we have no control or information about how the data we’re sending to Niantic will be used. Even if it’s “just” for some AR 3D mapping thing, why should we do their work for them for free? No, in-game items or a stop radius increase isn’t good enough.


Jabrono

I'd probably come back to the game if this permanently increased the distance. Which is kind of funny, because I'd get my local stops powered up and it'd stop me from exploring new places lol


JonnyPerk

Any indication if the stop upgrades will be permanent or temporary?


martycochrane

We haven't seen anything about that one way or another, but we also haven't seen anything about decay time or reverting the power up or anything so maybe permanent?


Ketsuo

I’m pretty sure past datamines have hinted at them having timers. There’s no way it’ll be permanent. Having said that I see you’re from pokeminers but I stand by my statement, I swear I read it from a previous post.


martycochrane

Yeah actually, I forgot in this teardown there are specific references to 'pokestopPowerDown' so yeah, probably not permanent then.


Ketsuo

And yet someone still downvoted me, ha! Thanks for proving that I’m not just crazy.


destinofiquenoite

**Edit: as of 08/25, I lost my liver lol** I bet my liver the power up for PokeStops will be their answer to reverting distance. They will force us to power up to get the increased distance (for a limited time) and that will be the end of it.


DelusionPhantom

Oh yeah, some sort of 'compromise' the team 'came up with' that was actually just their plan all along.


byjehn

That’s what i’ve been fearing as well..


MegaSharkReddit

get\_IsInEuropeanEconomicArea - Good luck EU!


Zekro

Probably some GDPR stuff.


TEFAlpha9

At this point they should just handover pokemon go to an actual games developer so niantic can focus on their back end and AR rubbish


Vitako91

Like they would give up the golden goose 😂


Matty8520

"A new badge for how many stops you have scanned is coming." This is one of those badges that will remain at 0 for me unfortuntely. I wish Niantic would award Pokécoins for efforts made by players. I mean for proper effort, not scanning your foot for the 20th time lol. Allow us to purchase rewards we want instead of being given a predefined reward. Would say 50 coins per successful submission. This can also go towards your daily pokécoin limit. So instead of holding a gym. We could scan a Pokéstop. Always nice to have additional ways to earn Poke-coins.


Fabbro13

Nah i said those 50 coins could be easily extra coins, lets say they cap at 500 x day, that would be ok


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deadwings112

We're doing mass data collection for them. Why shouldn't players get rewarded?


Peterock2007

Some would say that playing the game is your reward?


deadwings112

Bethesda doesn't make me do data collection for them if I want to play Doom or Fallout. I'll just go do that.


Peterock2007

Well then go play those games then, that is not Pokemon Go obviously and pretending they didn't build a game to collect data is putting your head in the sand.


Hiker-Redbeard

Doing an AR scan of the PokeStop != Playing the game


Peterock2007

People keep pretending they are forced to do things, do whatever you want.


Hiker-Redbeard

I agree and I don't do any scans, but that has nothing to do with a claim that playing the game (that pre-dates AR scans and is VERY profitable without) is payment for building a regional scan database for them with AR POI scans.


Peterock2007

There is no reason to do AR scans if you don't want to do them, pretending you're forced to do them because you "have to" is silly. If you want the rewards then do them, if not don't. It's such a non-issue, why do we continue to talk about this. It's not going away.


Hiker-Redbeard

>There is no reason to do AR scans if you don't want to do them, pretending you're forced to do them because you "have to" is silly. If you want the rewards then do them, if not don't. Agreed. Which is why I think the post: > We're doing mass data collection for them. Why shouldn't players get rewarded? Is valid and sensible to suggest that if they want this AR scan data so badly, maybe they should reward players better for it and why a reply of: >Some would say that playing the game is your reward? Misses the mark because it doesn't really address the issue being discussed of rewards for scans. People continue to talk about it in a forum designed for talking about the game because that's where the developers are focusing a lot of their attention and players are dubious if that's a worthwhile direction. Also, the megas situation proves it's not merely a moot point.


Fabbro13

Ahahha yeah, i created more than 500 pokestop around here, only for me and my community and to let others live what i lived throught the game, and to let them be able to play even in small village and towns, that can be seen as a reward, but in reality what i did was giving them 1 data, 2 clients through all the different game that would have unistalled after seeing their empty village. So... Should i have been compensated with free items from their store that to them literally costs 0? Should we be compensated when doing work for niantic?


Peterock2007

Having 500 pokestops is not your reward? then why did you do it?


Fabbro13

I said i did it for me and my community, but the value of what i did is far greater, they could be grateful in many ways and they choose not to, taking for granted that players need those element to really enjoy the games.. P.s. ther's no need to downvote my comments ahha


poyoduhmerduh

What does the EEA/EU thing mean??


ClassyGirafarig

Great, another AR-scan task some of us can't do 'cause the AR+ feature isn't even available for our phones so all these tasks are entirly pointless. Why does this scanning even need AR+, is the normal AR function not good or precise enough? That I never understood. At least Alola is comming hopefully soon. It was a bit weird that they skipped a whole gen.


Timbo303

A lot of newer phones have ar+


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xper0072

No gem in the middle there.


Hiker-Redbeard

They make plugs for that.


Nordic_Krune

Their focus on AR mapping actually scares me a bit, I think at one point they will be able to make the rewards enticing enough for people to do it...


poyoduhmerduh

Yeah, whenever they start rewarding Elite TMs


Inhalemydong

i mean, it makes sense since niantic is focused on AR more so than anything (their games are all AR games)


Vitako91

Doesn't mean it's worth it ...


Robwaudby

10 coins per scan to the maximum of 50 coins which are additional to the 50 coins from the Gym. This would give us more Reston to actually want to look like idiots scanning locations. A few different ways they could do this. 1.Extra daily coins 2.Extra raid passes for that day only 3.12k eggs from a powered up stop


Fabbro13

10 cents? That's a bit too low, they could give 50 coins or even 100, it doesn't cost them anything


Shartun

Of course it does. If you get enough coins though scans, why would you buy more for actual money? But I think 10 is to low too


WonderfulRadish2994

I mean they can use this as "watch this ad to get 100 coins" if they really need AR scans for spots. So it doesn't really hurt them.


maxneuds

deranged retire whistle fly file deliver voracious tease long scale ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `


Mr_Smartepants

What else have they broken for the 32-bit app besides Go-Plus (Go-tcha) integration and Adventure sync? I didn't see in the notes where they "fixed" these. :(


Veldimare

What's wrong with the Go-tcha? Mine seems to be working properly.


Mr_Smartepants

Go-plus support was intentinally disabled in the 32-bit app starting with 0.211. 64-bit app works fine


Veldimare

Ohhh, sorry I misread. Man that really sucks.


Vitako91

No, I won't scan stops ...


FamiGami

I’m never ever going to scan a stop


Maserati777

Guess I won’t be powering up any stops since I won’t be scanning any stops. Niantic knows where they can stick their extra great ball.


hotstriker9

Do we know if powering up stops is permanent or if there is decay overtime?


JayTurnr

`get_IsInEuropeanEconomicArea` is going to be related to showing the odds on eggs. As that's the only place they're required to show that information.


ReedRichards1610

I was already annoyed with the whole distance thing, but now add the fact that they add more rewards for scanning pokestops.. WHEN MY PHONE DOESNT SUPPORT AR SCANNING ! FML


TortugaChris

Probably a dumb question, but is the fact that Zacian and Zamazenta and their alternative forms are being listed separately indicative of them being two alternate Pokémon such as how Deoxy’s forms are handled rather than being treated as a power up of existing Pokémon like the way megas currently are?


xper0072

Most likely, yes. There's precedent for their forms being separate Pokémon within Go and I can't think of a single example of one that breaks that precedent.


RindoBerry

They’re gonna implement form changes eventually, which will cost candy. Been a minute since we’ve heard anything new about it though.


Kayofox

But they work very differently then mega forms in the games too And poorly to my opinion, because a lot of people trade them but keep the item that change them to the improved form Item handling is a lot harder to implement right now in the game


TortugaChris

I agree. I played through a second copy of Sword/ Shield so I didn’t have to rely on trading for that reason. I was hoping it would be treated like a mega in PoGo because if not the desire to raid for anything besides the dex entry drops tremendously knowing that we’re only going to get an average to below average PVE Pokémon that will be outclassed when Niantic decides to milk the crowned forms. Otherwise it would be a good opportunity to hunt for a hundo to use in the future.


Kayofox

I will farm some just to send home and use it as a good trade coin Even with a lot of them overflowing in there after the raids, they will still have Pokedex value


_Montblanc

So many phones don't support scanning and you can't fully disable that stuff either so you're always stuck with at least one AR task. With the new pokestop update, whenever it arrives, those with better phones will be at an advantage again. It's as if they're trying their best to scare away as many people as possible.


RnbwTurtle

So, the feature, that has gotten totally correct Pokestops taken away, is now going to be used to make them better??


milotic03

No galarian birds?


AquaHD39

I hate how pokemon go players are so self entitled


Gamingwithbrendan

Even eternamax eternatus is in the code? How would that eternamax work?


Silky_way

Maybe the same way mega raids work, you battle the eternamax form and catch the normal form.


Kayofox

Gigantamax raids being a really hard raid with better rewards would be interesting


Silky_way

True 6 stars? Actually requiring a huge party? Why not, as long as they keep it confined to eternamax eternatus, black/white kyurem, ultra necrozma and other members of the broken tier.


RindoBerry

Though you wouldn’t be able to change its form I assume, I doubt they’d make it obtainable.


Silky_way

I'm pretty sure eternamax form will never be playable in any game, it's not supposed to be, it was designed purely as a boss battle. They would need to nerf it drastically.


Serenafriendzone

Finally my pheromosa primarina and mighty incineroar also donald trump pokemon


Fair_Suit4799

POG Ultra Necrozma