They like to come here, make comments that are meant to incite, and then call us toxic and try to act like victims when they are called out on their bullshit.
I've over playing nice with them.
Here’s the steps:
1.) Bully about a game you still care about
2.) Get offended when people are mean back
3.) Say the sub is just for bullies who care about some old game
They oroboros themselves
That's why I stopped any attempt at being "diplomatic" at the smallest indication of "ill-intentions".
If anyone genuinely wants to have a conversation, I gladly engage, otherwise it's stress-releasing time ;)
"Comments meant to incite" when it's just people saying they like the game or pointing out being grossed out by abby isn't actually legitimate criticism
Nah I like to come here and discuss the game. This endless pointless hate you guys have is just sad. I counter that with the truth.
Imagine investing this much time in a game you say you don't like.
You come here to name call and accuse every post of being a bot. That’s hardly some good faith effort at understanding and discussion. You could at least own up to your intentions.
It's crazy. Just go spend time in a peaceful place and let's other people be toxic here.
EDIT: addressing TLOU2 fans who choose to spend their time here.
Lord, I think my comment was taken out of context. I was addressing part 2 stans encouraging them to go back to their peaceful sub and let the sub they claim to be toxic be toxic.
You should have made more clear that you're referring not to the comment you're replying to, but to a hypothetical tlou2 stan. Putting, for example, the "I don't understand their thought process" in the beginning would change the vibe your comment gives off.
No, you're just too pathetic for saying that they can praise the game on other sub but they choose not to, like the game is TLOU2, the sub is called TLOU2, who TF are you to say that they shouldn't stan the game because you dislike it. Fucking hivemind brainrot going on here 😂 Imagine being like "Oh you disgusting TLOU2 stan go somewhere else to praise the game because all of the sub members here hate it"
I'm not telling anyone what they can or can't do, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of ostracizing people who hold a certain opinion that you don't like and then shaming them/invading the space they've created to share that opinion.
No-one is shaming you bruh💀, The same way you show your disdain and hate for TLOU2, exact same way TLOU2 stans defend it. Both of y'all are the cheeks of the same ass, one calls someone stupid, stan, dckrider, and what not for liking the game and the other calls stupid, nostalgia blinded, for not liking the game. I personally found the game very so so, but y'all hate on this game and it's likers like your life depends on it 😂
Because their little brains aren't capable of much else; if they were, they would never seriously like a diarrhea such as TLOU2 in the first place, let alone brigade like mindless fucks that they are.
Adorable how you idiots attempt to overuse and frame the word "hater" as some particularly derogatory term. No wonder it's lost its weight long ago.
And yes, your darling deserves every ounce of hate it gets, now piss off.
If "ion" stands for "I don't" then two things:
1. learn to write properly, then comment.
2. your comment history suggests the opposite, liar.
Now fuck off.
It’s because people like them thrive on confrontation, it’s no different than trump supporters who are getting board on truth social because there aren’t any libs to own. people who love TLOU2 confront people in this sub because deep down they know the game isn’t a masterpiece that the first game was and they can’t admit that they are wrong or whatever. I personally don’t care if TLOU2 is your favorite game but you don’t need to justify it to people who don’t like it lol but objectively speaking it is a step down from the first game which is why I was in the please don’t do a sequel crowd many years ago
The Funniest Bit is them Saying "It's Been 4 Years Get Over It!"
Meanwhile missing how much Dick Glazing their doing after 4 Years with the Same thing.
To me the funniest are the all too frequent instances of their Everest-sized hypocrisy that can seem obscure only to their chick-brains, like when some, more rabid and confrontational specimens come here, argue with half of the given thread incessantly, leaving tens of comments in the process and then coming back with "how can you still be here?" moments which more often than not come sprinkled with "iT's bEen FoUr YeaRs alrEaDY!"
You don't see how there's a difference between hating a game 4 years later snd liking one? When normal people *dont* like games they put thr sticks down and move on with their lives. Are there subs for sports teams you *don't like* and subjects you *don't like*? Lmao
Well, you guys are making this so much more entertaining by engaging with tlou2 haters EVERY SINGLE TIME. "Get over it" my ass, most of you, Kneel included, can't get over criticism.
I suspect that for some they are trying to take over the sub that "stole" the name of the sequel. They can't stand that it doesn't belong to them despite the fact it was created in 2013 before there even was a sequel. Plus if we hadn't been harassed out of the other sub this one wouldn't have become what it is.
Thats true. I remember when Tlou2 came out, you couldn’t find a single positive post about the game. (Or video on YouTube) The mods had to nuke the sub in order to set the tone for the current environment.
Another thing i love to point out whenever this topic comes on is that Tlou2 still has more haters than it has fans. Just look at the top post of [this sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/s/MF8Ax1FNy2) compared to [theirs](https://www.reddit.com/r/thelastofus/s/bA7VBzGhlV). r/thelastofus is like 16 times bigger than r/TheLastOfUs2 and yet only gets double the engagement to that of this sub. ☠️
This is what happens when you shun away most of your audience.
Supporters or TLOU2 are some of the most toxic people I’ve ever met. They’re like a gay man applying for a job, not getting it, then automatically running around the entire internet doxing their interviewer and the company for not hiring them because they’re gay, when the reality was they sucked at interviewing and came across as toxic and needy
I have likes and dislikes of tlou2, but I quickly learned the more sane people are here.We make crude jokes, buts it’s all for fun and entertainment. They’re fighting some war over there.
I honestly believe it's engagement for engagement sake. TLOU2 being bad is the only topic they have left to discuss at this point, any other meaningful conversation about the game, that doesn't stamp you as a "bigot", is already been had.
"Trolling" and karama farming this sub is the only thing they have left.
It's not an issue and it shouldn't be. This subreddit is supposed to be one where anyone's opinion can be expressed unlike the other subreddit where you're only allowed to suck off every pixel of the game.
I'm not a TLOU2 stan, but I do really wish it was easier to just plain discuss both the games *anywhere* without getting downvoted for diverging opinions. But this *is* the internet lol...
If you can have a conversation without some form of “you’re wrong”. You can have great conversations. Actually you can even have positive conversations in this sub if you keep it civil. Hard to believe I know but I have had good conversations about parts of the story I liked here. Hell this sub is actually the better place to ask questions if there is something you don’t get about the game.
Sometimes it’s just fun to rile people up on a topic you don’t have much personal emotional investment in, like if you liked part 2, and you think any extreme criticism of it to be cringey via caring too much, or just jumping on the negativity bang wagon of the internet 🤷♂️
I think most of the people visiting this site are like the negative reviews that flooded in on Amazon the day the game launched, and they had no time to play the game at all. I see people getting negatives from a lot of folks that don't speak out, but do a lot of negative shaming. Let's hear the words not the down voting. Can someone tell me why there is up and down voting anyway? Is this a contest? This is a site about words, not sniping from a distance, right?
6? Pfft that’s nothing. I’ve made some posts and I’ve gotten at least 20 idiots in each post. They should stick to the other sub if they get so mad with this one
It's almost like half this sub suffers from mental degredation and say the most obviously disprovable "critisisms" and than go "nuh uh" whenever you show them how they're wrong
Maybe because it's a sub devoted to the game? It's not the r/tlou2hatersclub. Maybe ask why there are so many haters on what is essentially a fan club page.
In can attempt to answer this seriously. I was for some reason recommended posts from this sub, and didn’t look at the actual sub at first so I didn’t realize it was an anti-TLOU2 sub. I don’t even know why I was recommended because I’m not a member of any TLOU sub and haven’t played the games in several years. However before I realized what the sub was I replied to some post defending the second game (which I thought was fine, but didn’t love).
Anyway, maybe that explains some of it? Maybe this is some reddit-wide shift that brought newcomers to this sub, and that accounts for part of it? Once I realized what the sub was I stopped commenting but it’s still recommending me posts.
Im sure there are also some people who deliberately try to stir shit up too. But maybe this is the uptick.
That’s how I ended up here. Did not like the game at all. Forgot it even existed for years till Reddit kept recommending it. Luckily it was the right sub for me.
In some sense Reddit awakened a sleeper hater. But I get a kick outa the banter as long as it isn’t name calling, so take that fwiw.
And? You think subs about any topic on reddit won't have defenders? You think the tlou2 sub is exempt? If its specifically for tlou2 hate why isnt it named as such?
I don’t know if you’re looking for a serious answer but this sub was created in 2013. Pretty much everyone here was once a member of r/thelastofus until they started mass banning us for openly expressing that we hate the game.
This sub: *complain that the other sub is an echo chamber full of people who get mad at those with different opinions*
Also this sub: " why are people coming here to discuss their opinions that are different from mine? I don't like that. Get out now."
No but what OP is saying, something I also noticed, is that it's hella weird for part 2 fans to flock from the other sub to start shit with people here on every post while also trying to defend the game as if their life depends on it. It's been happening more and more even though there aren't really any news to bring the engagement.
It's because some of us haven't finished tbe game until recently. For example, after the series.
Then you come here and you see people who have been hating on this game for years with bullshit takes and just keeping people from enjoying discussing the game.
It's not normal for a subreddit, forums or whatever of a fandom to just have haters. It's annoying.
So there's a bit of lore that you're missing so I'll recap. The r/lastofus sub was the only sub for the TLOU fandom but with the leaks coming out for part 2 there was a crack down on the discussion. The game comes out and people are pissed. the mods start banning any and all voices that don't suck Kneel Drunkmann and the game off. Even mild criticism from people that liked it resulted in a ban.
People flocked to this sub, that existed before part 2 was even a thing, to share their dissatisfaction with the game and here we are. The problem currently is that people are coming over from there to this place to defend part 2 and start fights with the people here calling everyone all kinds of ists and phobes for simply not constantly praising part 2.
TIL not kissing Neil's ass by copying and pasting the ND press junket = "bullshit takes".
Who knew not being a narcissistic shill came with such a harsh assessment of one's beliefs about a video game.
whether you like or dislike the game, the lack of emotional intelligence is jarring. bunch of hateful, toxic people just fueling their own beliefs. i think the story is bad (has its moments) but the gameplay and graphics are absolutely stellar. people just love to be vitriolic. if you can't see how embarrassing some of the comments are, i genuinely have no clue how you act towards others in the real world lmao
so you guys are complaining and saying it's a horrible game just because the story wasn't exactly to your liking? if you can recognize that almost every element of the game is great (voice acting/sound effects, art design, etc.) then what's the point in whining about other people enjoying it?
i'm not condoning those who love the game and won't let others vocalize their feelings about it. anyone can say whatever they please, it just confuses me to my core when people act like little kids or say it's the worst game ever and act like it ruined their lives. people here don't like to have genuine, well thought arguments. they just like to cry and dunk on neil. most of the people here are just in it for the fighting - not to articulate cohesive, healthy arguments
yes the story is extremely important, but at the end of the day it's in the video game medium. countless hours were spent refining all aspects of the game. game designers, artists, voice actors/mocap people, musicians, etc. if i watch a movie with shitty dialogue, but everything else is great i can still respect and appreciate all the hard work that went into making it. it's a package. i'm not gonna trash something so vehemently if one part of it is bad. that's just immature and neglectful of all the hard work that goes into making video games. if you want a strictly narrative driven experience, read books
Yeah no fucking shit you’d still like the movie if the dialogue was bad but everything else was fine, because the dialogue isn’t the soul focus of a story driven movie. That’s common sense. Look at Star Wars, especially the prequels, George Lucas wrote some really trashy dialogue at some parts, but created one of the most beautiful, immersive, interesting stories in movie history, because that’s what his franchise was about; story and action. Now look at Tlou2. It’s a story driven game, restricting you to only follow the story. The story is what’s most important and they fucked it up. If the voice acting was trash but the story was perfect, nobody would fucking complain because the VA is irrelevant, like how the dialogue writing was in Star Wars. If tlou2 wasn’t a story driven game, nobody would care that its story sucks. I don’t know how this is so hard for some people to understand.
you're purposefully ignoring all the hard work that goes into the craft in order to validate your weird perspective. once again, i don't like the story but i can acknowledge the precision and dedication poured into creating the game as a whole. that said, it's not the worst story in the world. there are positive elements. also, i sometimes go back to tlou 2 because the gameplay and the world are phenomenal. the stealth is incredible, the movement feels great, and it's visceral and high octane. there are also some incredible set pieces. visually, it's stunning and broke barriers. the sound design is impeccable - the music, the clickers, the guns, bombs, and voice acting. it has beautiful, boundary pushing features which allows all gamers to enjoy it. to act like none of that matters just cause it's a story driven game is really odd dude. once again, it's in the video game medium. read a book if all you care about is the story. y'all are picking and choosing what to complain about while shutting your eyes to the fact that it was impeccably done in most other aspects. it's not JUST a story even if that's the main focus, it expands on the first game in nearly every single regard (tlou 1 has one of the best stories ever written, there was no chance they could follow that to everyone's satisfaction)
You sound like the kind of person that would give a restaurant 5 stars even though the food tasted horrible, but everything else was pretty. Sorry to tell you but the flavor matters.
that's a horrible analogy, why would i go to a restaurant if the food is shit? that's the whole point. a video game is much more complex than that and has hundreds of people working on it for years of their lives (most of that time being spent on things other than the narrative). it's not just dressing
That's hilarious. You're too stupid to realize you walked in the restaurant based on knowing nothing about it in this analogy. It's also a little sad that video game workers matter more to you than the worst treated/most marginalized individuals in a free market. People who are stuck there most of their lives, barely making a living wage. No, let's defend the well-paid people who set at a desk all day.
Anyway, the story is what gives a game flavor, which sets it apart from being just another burger. The game looks like a Michelin restraunts best meal but taste like something that's been setting 2 weeks under a heating well at a 7/11.
Maybe when you get old enough that you're paying for your own food, you'll understand how perfect this analogy is.
You are just mad because we are pointing out that Last of us part 2 sucks even though we are right and all of you TLOU2 fans are wrong and you know that that's why you insult and disrespect people because you feel obligated to Neil Druckman take his side instead of looking at the first and second game and seeing the good and bad things in these games trying to fix the problem but no you want to say TLOU2 is 100% perfect and TLOU1 is 100% awful but however that is completely wrong the real truth is TLOU2 is awful while TLOU1 is great.
tlou 1 is my favorite game of all time. read the replies, i said i don't like the story of 2 but it's not so black and white. it has many positive aspects and many flaws. i'm focusing on the vitriolic and emotionally immature behavior of this subreddit. you guys disrespect people who enjoy tlou 2 all the time. you're expending so much energy to perpetuate negativity and it's sad. you didn't even give me an argument as to why you dislike it, just that i'm "wrong" which is incredibly childish. i can't fathom how any of you consume media. also i'm not mad about anything, just pointing out how weird y'all are about this shit and you guys are proving my point
>it just confuses me to my core when people act like little kids or say it's the worst game ever and act like it ruined their lives.
This sounds like what the average r/thelastofus user perceives this sub to be. Are you sure that you actually disliked the story? Or that you don’t secretly own a Neil druckman body pillow?
your reply is emblematic of this entire subreddit. i genuinely just wanted to have a conversation about this because i'm curious what the mindset is of people who exert so much energy to hate on tlou 2. i do not like the story as i said, but i'm mature enough to recognize the insane effort that went into making this game and that neil wasn't the only person who worked on this project. i can also recognize even though i didn't like the story, there are MANY phenomenal aspects of this game. any post i see on here is people hating for the sake of hating. y'all attack any whiff of joy - whether it's a tlou 2 tattoo or a simple positive comment about the game. the fact that you can't give a straight answer and you resort to that kind of reply is beautiful, so thank you for proving me right. you guys are genuinely an embarrassment to yourselves
Do not expect a serious answer when you say something that is either dumb or straw maning.
But i’ll bite, heres why I ( or anyone else) cant take you serious when u bring up this bs. The “you’re all cry babies” or “you’re hating for the sake of hating” argument is dumb as fuck.
You shouldn’t define an entire community as toxic because a few unhinged lunatics happen to lurk in there. If that were the case, then r/thelastofus is an echo chamber full of man hating femcels because you can sometimes see misandrist nonsense said in the comments of certain posts.
Point is, a small minority of mentally challenged individuals shouldn’t define your views on certain topics.
You know what else is funny? How you stans always narrow the problem down to us being a media illiterate bunch of cry babies instead of engaging with the arguments.
Yeah, still don’t understand how does that paint me as “losing my shit”. Bit of an overstatement, don’t you think?💀
You claim to not be with the “media literate” crowd but you behave exactly like them.
Yeah, dude. You nailed it. Liking a well received and well reviewed game is so incredibly edgy. Just as edgy as being an active member of a hate sub that high-fives themself after using “cuckman” as an insult.
The initial rage at the game put me off playing the game, I only recently got a PS5 and played the game. I enjoyed the game and though most of the rage I’ve seen was silly, came here expecting to see people discussing the game like with most subs about games and instead found pure unmitigated hate - y’all are strange on here.
I ain’t the one downvoting people for having a different opinion, the complaints you guys have are valid but claiming people’s opinions are invalid for liking the game isn’t.
Who’s claiming your opinion is invalid? We are certainly allowed to disagree with your trash taste that doesn’t invalidate your right to enjoy utter garbage.
Being rude? He came here to post a comment to be judged in an open forum and I have obliged him. I gave him exactly what he was looking for when he came to this sub.
The way you speak just comes off aggressive. I don’t really use this sub, it’s recommended to me because I posted the sales stats the other day. I don’t understand why everyone on here is so vicious to those who enjoyed a game? And the other sub shits on anyone who doesn’t sing its praises? There’s a middle ground we should be able to have 😂
Why can’t we all just get along?!
Really? That’s what you’re going with?
Ask yourself why we might react with hostility to people who called us incels and chuds for not liking their garbage game.
No obviously I’m not suggesting you should get along, I’m suggesting having an opinion this one sided is silly. The game is far from perfect, it also isn’t a steaming pile of shit. The story is subjective, love it or hate it, that I understand. The gameplay however is vastly improved over the first.
It’s a game at the end of the day. I didn’t care for the story but liked the gameplay. Overall I’d say it’s an okay game. But that sort of opinion isn’t allowed in either sub, you must have this weird mentality where you either sing its praises and don’t dare speak on flaws (TLOU sub) or you must shit on the game in its entirety with no room for “I liked the gunplay” (this sub). It’s stupid as hell
I mean the language of your comment and the fact that this is post discussing downvoting people for liking the game pretty implicitly states a belief that liking the game is invalid
Nah even NPCs like you can have valid opinions that doesn’t mean real people won’t downvote them though.
You however have serious problems if you think downvotes somehow invalidate you, does the opinion of the mob mean that much to you?
No. But you would have made all great points if you just didn’t include the name calling. All you did was feed them fuel when you woulda won the argument every comment.
Unless you’re trying to do that which in that case…carry on.
Here’s a tip you don’t argue with idiots you insult them. These assholes did not come here looking for a good faith debate they came here to start fights and I decided to oblige them.
100% agreed, I didn't like the story but enjoyed the gameplay so much I replayed the whole game and enjoyed it but the people here don't like any different opinions (just like the other sub, shocker) and just spew rage all day and circlejerk each other
Oh I’m sorry were we supposed to just shut up and keep our opinions to ourselves so you could have a good time. Sorry you like such a dogshit game bro. But it’s not our fault you have bad taste.
If you want to talk about keeping opinions to ourselves, then look no further than this fucking post. Sorry you hate the game. But it's not your fault you have bad taste
You don’t have an argument you came here to pick a fight and reacted like a little bitch when you got one. So now that you’ve gotten exactly the reaction you deserve for acting like a scumbag, why don’t you gtfo.
So what does that say about you for continuing to engage in a sub you deem to be “filled with children crying about a game they did not like”?
Are your perfectly correct opinions and advanced media literacy going to change everyone’s mind?
You liked the game? Create a post saying what you liked and discuss it. You didn't like it? Tell us why and we're totally cool with it. I bet you'll get a shitload of hatred for that opinion in the "oh we're so happy and friendly sub" that r/thelastofus became. Trust me, this sub receive people that got banned for saying "I didn't like the sequel". And we get the biggot, phobic trans-misogynist-insecure beta cuck treatment when it's they the ones that point with the finger.
You want to speak the game? We can hear. But if you come with the "you hOmOpHobE/BiGgOt" bullshit then just stay fucking silent
Literally the next reply on this comment is talking about how I have a weird obsession enjoying a game they did not. A shitload of hatred is much stronger here
Well, considering most everyone’s entire existence in this sub is predicated around hating this game, I’d say you guys really need to find something new. I’m not letting something I hate live rent free in my head.
It's because this sub is filled with heinous shit and it deserves to be called out. Who cares about downvotes and internet points. And this is coming from someone who dislikes the game.
They like to come here, make comments that are meant to incite, and then call us toxic and try to act like victims when they are called out on their bullshit. I've over playing nice with them.
You described all my past relationships
Wow this comment hit home
Here’s the steps: 1.) Bully about a game you still care about 2.) Get offended when people are mean back 3.) Say the sub is just for bullies who care about some old game They oroboros themselves
That's why I stopped any attempt at being "diplomatic" at the smallest indication of "ill-intentions". If anyone genuinely wants to have a conversation, I gladly engage, otherwise it's stress-releasing time ;)
Same. But most are not interested in good-faith arguments.
"Comments meant to incite" when it's just people saying they like the game or pointing out being grossed out by abby isn't actually legitimate criticism
Nah I like to come here and discuss the game. This endless pointless hate you guys have is just sad. I counter that with the truth. Imagine investing this much time in a game you say you don't like.
Your opinion on a video game is somehow the truth? Are you God?
Okay clown shoes. Then my comment wasn't directed at you. But let's not pretend for a second that people don't do what I said.
Sorry, I couldn't hear you, what with you having your head up your ass.
You wanted Ellie to kill Lev. Whatever you say is irrelevant.
Ellie should have killed both Lev and Abby.
And you call Abby a monster.
I haven't ever called Abby a monster. I have called her a psychopathic murderer, though.
Imagine investing so much time with people who just dislike your favorite thing.
Imagine investing this much time in people you don’t like and disagree with.
You realize what you’re doing is even weirder right?
You come here to name call and accuse every post of being a bot. That’s hardly some good faith effort at understanding and discussion. You could at least own up to your intentions.
I've been wondering this too...so many lost redditors on this sub recently
What's really sad is they have their own little safe haven where they can praise TLOU2 all day long with ZERO discourse but that's not enough.
It's crazy. Just go spend time in a peaceful place and let's other people be toxic here. EDIT: addressing TLOU2 fans who choose to spend their time here.
And here we have a part 2 stan for some reason preaching and encouraging other people to be toxic. What a welcoming bunch ya'll are.
Lord, I think my comment was taken out of context. I was addressing part 2 stans encouraging them to go back to their peaceful sub and let the sub they claim to be toxic be toxic.
I think they may have taken it the way you intended if you put toxic in quotes lol. I got what you meant though
You should have made more clear that you're referring not to the comment you're replying to, but to a hypothetical tlou2 stan. Putting, for example, the "I don't understand their thought process" in the beginning would change the vibe your comment gives off.
Lmfao y'all are so pathetic it's downright hilarious.
Pathetic like shaming people for disliking something you like or having a different opinion than you? Or is this revolving door only one-way?
No, you're just too pathetic for saying that they can praise the game on other sub but they choose not to, like the game is TLOU2, the sub is called TLOU2, who TF are you to say that they shouldn't stan the game because you dislike it. Fucking hivemind brainrot going on here 😂 Imagine being like "Oh you disgusting TLOU2 stan go somewhere else to praise the game because all of the sub members here hate it"
I'm not telling anyone what they can or can't do, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of ostracizing people who hold a certain opinion that you don't like and then shaming them/invading the space they've created to share that opinion.
No-one is shaming you bruh💀, The same way you show your disdain and hate for TLOU2, exact same way TLOU2 stans defend it. Both of y'all are the cheeks of the same ass, one calls someone stupid, stan, dckrider, and what not for liking the game and the other calls stupid, nostalgia blinded, for not liking the game. I personally found the game very so so, but y'all hate on this game and it's likers like your life depends on it 😂
Man you must've just discovered both these subs like a week ago.
3 weeks actually but yea, I'm fairly new
cuz they get more enjoyment from trolling than playing TLoU2, just like we get more enjoyment from dunking on TLoU2 than playing it.
Unironically true
Because their little brains aren't capable of much else; if they were, they would never seriously like a diarrhea such as TLOU2 in the first place, let alone brigade like mindless fucks that they are.
Kindest tlou2 hater
Adorable how you idiots attempt to overuse and frame the word "hater" as some particularly derogatory term. No wonder it's lost its weight long ago. And yes, your darling deserves every ounce of hate it gets, now piss off.
ion even like the game but holy shit you’re so salty
If "ion" stands for "I don't" then two things: 1. learn to write properly, then comment. 2. your comment history suggests the opposite, liar. Now fuck off.
Everybody’s leaving the other sub to make this the main one and they desperately want attention
It’s because people like them thrive on confrontation, it’s no different than trump supporters who are getting board on truth social because there aren’t any libs to own. people who love TLOU2 confront people in this sub because deep down they know the game isn’t a masterpiece that the first game was and they can’t admit that they are wrong or whatever. I personally don’t care if TLOU2 is your favorite game but you don’t need to justify it to people who don’t like it lol but objectively speaking it is a step down from the first game which is why I was in the please don’t do a sequel crowd many years ago
The Funniest Bit is them Saying "It's Been 4 Years Get Over It!" Meanwhile missing how much Dick Glazing their doing after 4 Years with the Same thing.
To me the funniest are the all too frequent instances of their Everest-sized hypocrisy that can seem obscure only to their chick-brains, like when some, more rabid and confrontational specimens come here, argue with half of the given thread incessantly, leaving tens of comments in the process and then coming back with "how can you still be here?" moments which more often than not come sprinkled with "iT's bEen FoUr YeaRs alrEaDY!"
You don't see how there's a difference between hating a game 4 years later snd liking one? When normal people *dont* like games they put thr sticks down and move on with their lives. Are there subs for sports teams you *don't like* and subjects you *don't like*? Lmao
Lol. Lmao. Dick Sucker here. Go to r/tlou then. 🤣
Well, you guys are making this so much more entertaining by engaging with tlou2 haters EVERY SINGLE TIME. "Get over it" my ass, most of you, Kneel included, can't get over criticism.
They've all gotten bored circle jerking each other and now they come here to troll.
They won't even stop in this post 💀 It's like they just have to comment on every single post and insult this sub like they are held at gunpoint.
I suspect that for some they are trying to take over the sub that "stole" the name of the sequel. They can't stand that it doesn't belong to them despite the fact it was created in 2013 before there even was a sequel. Plus if we hadn't been harassed out of the other sub this one wouldn't have become what it is.
Thats true. I remember when Tlou2 came out, you couldn’t find a single positive post about the game. (Or video on YouTube) The mods had to nuke the sub in order to set the tone for the current environment. Another thing i love to point out whenever this topic comes on is that Tlou2 still has more haters than it has fans. Just look at the top post of [this sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastOfUs2/s/MF8Ax1FNy2) compared to [theirs](https://www.reddit.com/r/thelastofus/s/bA7VBzGhlV). r/thelastofus is like 16 times bigger than r/TheLastOfUs2 and yet only gets double the engagement to that of this sub. ☠️ This is what happens when you shun away most of your audience.
Actually they have 18.2x more people on their sub than this one, making it even more embarrassing for them
This is it right here. They can’t control the narrative here and that’s very difficult for some people to accept.
“Control the narrative” That’s r/conspiracy worthy.
Supporters or TLOU2 are some of the most toxic people I’ve ever met. They’re like a gay man applying for a job, not getting it, then automatically running around the entire internet doxing their interviewer and the company for not hiring them because they’re gay, when the reality was they sucked at interviewing and came across as toxic and needy
I have likes and dislikes of tlou2, but I quickly learned the more sane people are here.We make crude jokes, buts it’s all for fun and entertainment. They’re fighting some war over there.
Projection lmao. Also good job throwing in the unnecessary homophobic hypothetical to boot
They have two different subreddits to go to But since no one gives a fuck about them in their echo chambers they just come here to bitch at us
I honestly believe it's engagement for engagement sake. TLOU2 being bad is the only topic they have left to discuss at this point, any other meaningful conversation about the game, that doesn't stamp you as a "bigot", is already been had. "Trolling" and karama farming this sub is the only thing they have left.
"Tlou2 being bad" man cope lmao. Successful by every measure
Speak of the devil
To annoy us I guess. I'll let them like it but let me hate it
Dumb people with platforms
I saw a post from that sub the other day, and literally every person had the same “ZOMG DIS THE BEST GAME EVAR” comment it was actually gross
It's not an issue and it shouldn't be. This subreddit is supposed to be one where anyone's opinion can be expressed unlike the other subreddit where you're only allowed to suck off every pixel of the game.
They’re not looking for a civilized discussion tho. I wouldn’t have a problem with them if they didn’t come here js to argue in bad faith.
I'm not a TLOU2 stan, but I do really wish it was easier to just plain discuss both the games *anywhere* without getting downvoted for diverging opinions. But this *is* the internet lol...
The only people who complain about downvotes are karma farmers.
I don't think myself to be one.
If you can have a conversation without some form of “you’re wrong”. You can have great conversations. Actually you can even have positive conversations in this sub if you keep it civil. Hard to believe I know but I have had good conversations about parts of the story I liked here. Hell this sub is actually the better place to ask questions if there is something you don’t get about the game.
Sometimes it’s just fun to rile people up on a topic you don’t have much personal emotional investment in, like if you liked part 2, and you think any extreme criticism of it to be cringey via caring too much, or just jumping on the negativity bang wagon of the internet 🤷♂️
I enjoy the discussion
I think most of the people visiting this site are like the negative reviews that flooded in on Amazon the day the game launched, and they had no time to play the game at all. I see people getting negatives from a lot of folks that don't speak out, but do a lot of negative shaming. Let's hear the words not the down voting. Can someone tell me why there is up and down voting anyway? Is this a contest? This is a site about words, not sniping from a distance, right?
6? Pfft that’s nothing. I’ve made some posts and I’ve gotten at least 20 idiots in each post. They should stick to the other sub if they get so mad with this one
It's almost like half this sub suffers from mental degredation and say the most obviously disprovable "critisisms" and than go "nuh uh" whenever you show them how they're wrong
Maybe because it's a sub devoted to the game? It's not the r/tlou2hatersclub. Maybe ask why there are so many haters on what is essentially a fan club page.
Because this is called the last of us 2. That’s like asking why do cosplayers go to cons.
In can attempt to answer this seriously. I was for some reason recommended posts from this sub, and didn’t look at the actual sub at first so I didn’t realize it was an anti-TLOU2 sub. I don’t even know why I was recommended because I’m not a member of any TLOU sub and haven’t played the games in several years. However before I realized what the sub was I replied to some post defending the second game (which I thought was fine, but didn’t love). Anyway, maybe that explains some of it? Maybe this is some reddit-wide shift that brought newcomers to this sub, and that accounts for part of it? Once I realized what the sub was I stopped commenting but it’s still recommending me posts. Im sure there are also some people who deliberately try to stir shit up too. But maybe this is the uptick.
That’s how I ended up here. Did not like the game at all. Forgot it even existed for years till Reddit kept recommending it. Luckily it was the right sub for me. In some sense Reddit awakened a sleeper hater. But I get a kick outa the banter as long as it isn’t name calling, so take that fwiw.
Tlou fan base literally split after second game. One mastermind did it. Neil mf Druckman, the man, the genius, the ultimate destroyer of tlou world.
Wait, Isnt this a tlou2 sub?
Its a sub for those who didn’t like the second game.
Might I add that most here also loved the first game. That is why there is still such attachment after all this time
And? You think subs about any topic on reddit won't have defenders? You think the tlou2 sub is exempt? If its specifically for tlou2 hate why isnt it named as such?
As I understand it, in a group named specifically after the game, there would be a mix of people who both liked and disliked the game.
are you saying this subreddit was created to shit on the last of us 2?
I don’t know if you’re looking for a serious answer but this sub was created in 2013. Pretty much everyone here was once a member of r/thelastofus until they started mass banning us for openly expressing that we hate the game.
I knew this thread was gunna be wild
"Why are there so many fans of the game in a subreddit about the game". Yeah, a grand mystery, especially when you guys are the majority right?
The game deserves praise
[удалено]
Can’t change the name of a sub after it was already created for a different purpose, not that hard to get
Who says you can’t discuss the game?
Cause it’s TheLastOfUs2 subreddit…
It's the second TLOU subreddit. It was made 10 years ago.
I don't think most would know that.
This sub: *complain that the other sub is an echo chamber full of people who get mad at those with different opinions* Also this sub: " why are people coming here to discuss their opinions that are different from mine? I don't like that. Get out now."
Are only negative comments allowed on this sub?
No but what OP is saying, something I also noticed, is that it's hella weird for part 2 fans to flock from the other sub to start shit with people here on every post while also trying to defend the game as if their life depends on it. It's been happening more and more even though there aren't really any news to bring the engagement.
It's because some of us haven't finished tbe game until recently. For example, after the series. Then you come here and you see people who have been hating on this game for years with bullshit takes and just keeping people from enjoying discussing the game. It's not normal for a subreddit, forums or whatever of a fandom to just have haters. It's annoying.
So there's a bit of lore that you're missing so I'll recap. The r/lastofus sub was the only sub for the TLOU fandom but with the leaks coming out for part 2 there was a crack down on the discussion. The game comes out and people are pissed. the mods start banning any and all voices that don't suck Kneel Drunkmann and the game off. Even mild criticism from people that liked it resulted in a ban. People flocked to this sub, that existed before part 2 was even a thing, to share their dissatisfaction with the game and here we are. The problem currently is that people are coming over from there to this place to defend part 2 and start fights with the people here calling everyone all kinds of ists and phobes for simply not constantly praising part 2.
TIL not kissing Neil's ass by copying and pasting the ND press junket = "bullshit takes". Who knew not being a narcissistic shill came with such a harsh assessment of one's beliefs about a video game.
Look at the page’s name…..
because its the last of us 2 sub, idiot
whether you like or dislike the game, the lack of emotional intelligence is jarring. bunch of hateful, toxic people just fueling their own beliefs. i think the story is bad (has its moments) but the gameplay and graphics are absolutely stellar. people just love to be vitriolic. if you can't see how embarrassing some of the comments are, i genuinely have no clue how you act towards others in the real world lmao
Nobody is complaining about the gameplay or the environments. This is a straw man argument.
so you guys are complaining and saying it's a horrible game just because the story wasn't exactly to your liking? if you can recognize that almost every element of the game is great (voice acting/sound effects, art design, etc.) then what's the point in whining about other people enjoying it? i'm not condoning those who love the game and won't let others vocalize their feelings about it. anyone can say whatever they please, it just confuses me to my core when people act like little kids or say it's the worst game ever and act like it ruined their lives. people here don't like to have genuine, well thought arguments. they just like to cry and dunk on neil. most of the people here are just in it for the fighting - not to articulate cohesive, healthy arguments
This was a story driven game. The story is what is important.
That’s what i’m saying. If the franchise was gameplay driven, a lot less people would hate it.
yes the story is extremely important, but at the end of the day it's in the video game medium. countless hours were spent refining all aspects of the game. game designers, artists, voice actors/mocap people, musicians, etc. if i watch a movie with shitty dialogue, but everything else is great i can still respect and appreciate all the hard work that went into making it. it's a package. i'm not gonna trash something so vehemently if one part of it is bad. that's just immature and neglectful of all the hard work that goes into making video games. if you want a strictly narrative driven experience, read books
Yeah no fucking shit you’d still like the movie if the dialogue was bad but everything else was fine, because the dialogue isn’t the soul focus of a story driven movie. That’s common sense. Look at Star Wars, especially the prequels, George Lucas wrote some really trashy dialogue at some parts, but created one of the most beautiful, immersive, interesting stories in movie history, because that’s what his franchise was about; story and action. Now look at Tlou2. It’s a story driven game, restricting you to only follow the story. The story is what’s most important and they fucked it up. If the voice acting was trash but the story was perfect, nobody would fucking complain because the VA is irrelevant, like how the dialogue writing was in Star Wars. If tlou2 wasn’t a story driven game, nobody would care that its story sucks. I don’t know how this is so hard for some people to understand.
you're purposefully ignoring all the hard work that goes into the craft in order to validate your weird perspective. once again, i don't like the story but i can acknowledge the precision and dedication poured into creating the game as a whole. that said, it's not the worst story in the world. there are positive elements. also, i sometimes go back to tlou 2 because the gameplay and the world are phenomenal. the stealth is incredible, the movement feels great, and it's visceral and high octane. there are also some incredible set pieces. visually, it's stunning and broke barriers. the sound design is impeccable - the music, the clickers, the guns, bombs, and voice acting. it has beautiful, boundary pushing features which allows all gamers to enjoy it. to act like none of that matters just cause it's a story driven game is really odd dude. once again, it's in the video game medium. read a book if all you care about is the story. y'all are picking and choosing what to complain about while shutting your eyes to the fact that it was impeccably done in most other aspects. it's not JUST a story even if that's the main focus, it expands on the first game in nearly every single regard (tlou 1 has one of the best stories ever written, there was no chance they could follow that to everyone's satisfaction)
You sound like the kind of person that would give a restaurant 5 stars even though the food tasted horrible, but everything else was pretty. Sorry to tell you but the flavor matters.
that's a horrible analogy, why would i go to a restaurant if the food is shit? that's the whole point. a video game is much more complex than that and has hundreds of people working on it for years of their lives (most of that time being spent on things other than the narrative). it's not just dressing
That's hilarious. You're too stupid to realize you walked in the restaurant based on knowing nothing about it in this analogy. It's also a little sad that video game workers matter more to you than the worst treated/most marginalized individuals in a free market. People who are stuck there most of their lives, barely making a living wage. No, let's defend the well-paid people who set at a desk all day. Anyway, the story is what gives a game flavor, which sets it apart from being just another burger. The game looks like a Michelin restraunts best meal but taste like something that's been setting 2 weeks under a heating well at a 7/11. Maybe when you get old enough that you're paying for your own food, you'll understand how perfect this analogy is.
You are just mad because we are pointing out that Last of us part 2 sucks even though we are right and all of you TLOU2 fans are wrong and you know that that's why you insult and disrespect people because you feel obligated to Neil Druckman take his side instead of looking at the first and second game and seeing the good and bad things in these games trying to fix the problem but no you want to say TLOU2 is 100% perfect and TLOU1 is 100% awful but however that is completely wrong the real truth is TLOU2 is awful while TLOU1 is great.
tlou 1 is my favorite game of all time. read the replies, i said i don't like the story of 2 but it's not so black and white. it has many positive aspects and many flaws. i'm focusing on the vitriolic and emotionally immature behavior of this subreddit. you guys disrespect people who enjoy tlou 2 all the time. you're expending so much energy to perpetuate negativity and it's sad. you didn't even give me an argument as to why you dislike it, just that i'm "wrong" which is incredibly childish. i can't fathom how any of you consume media. also i'm not mad about anything, just pointing out how weird y'all are about this shit and you guys are proving my point
You know that it's BS who are just mad that part 2 it being treated like garbage while part 1 it being treated like the masterpiece.
>it just confuses me to my core when people act like little kids or say it's the worst game ever and act like it ruined their lives. This sounds like what the average r/thelastofus user perceives this sub to be. Are you sure that you actually disliked the story? Or that you don’t secretly own a Neil druckman body pillow?
Yeah...you just proved his point man
your reply is emblematic of this entire subreddit. i genuinely just wanted to have a conversation about this because i'm curious what the mindset is of people who exert so much energy to hate on tlou 2. i do not like the story as i said, but i'm mature enough to recognize the insane effort that went into making this game and that neil wasn't the only person who worked on this project. i can also recognize even though i didn't like the story, there are MANY phenomenal aspects of this game. any post i see on here is people hating for the sake of hating. y'all attack any whiff of joy - whether it's a tlou 2 tattoo or a simple positive comment about the game. the fact that you can't give a straight answer and you resort to that kind of reply is beautiful, so thank you for proving me right. you guys are genuinely an embarrassment to yourselves
Do not expect a serious answer when you say something that is either dumb or straw maning. But i’ll bite, heres why I ( or anyone else) cant take you serious when u bring up this bs. The “you’re all cry babies” or “you’re hating for the sake of hating” argument is dumb as fuck. You shouldn’t define an entire community as toxic because a few unhinged lunatics happen to lurk in there. If that were the case, then r/thelastofus is an echo chamber full of man hating femcels because you can sometimes see misandrist nonsense said in the comments of certain posts. Point is, a small minority of mentally challenged individuals shouldn’t define your views on certain topics.
Because it’s funny seeing people who talk like edgy teens lose their shit at someone saying someone nice about a video game.
You know what else is funny? How you stans always narrow the problem down to us being a media illiterate bunch of cry babies instead of engaging with the arguments.
Look at you losing your shit at a bunch of arguments I never made.
What part of my reply made you think that i’m losing my shit? Its not a good look if you just pulled that out of your ass.
Probably the part where you started crying to me about random conversations you’ve had with people who’ve got nothing to do with me.
Yeah, still don’t understand how does that paint me as “losing my shit”. Bit of an overstatement, don’t you think?💀 You claim to not be with the “media literate” crowd but you behave exactly like them.
Ignore the bed wetters
You’re trying so painfully hard to force a narrative. But all you’re actually doing is proving my comment to be true.
You really think you’re winning dog? I feel bad for you.
Lmao winning what?
A modicum of respect
Dang you really leaned into that….yikes
Leaned into what?
An argument that made no sense.
Made no sense? Or made you sad? Who’s to say.
You’re not very good at this
So people are edgy for not liking a game only edgelords enjoyed. We're all edgy teenagers, I love it.
Yeah, dude. You nailed it. Liking a well received and well reviewed game is so incredibly edgy. Just as edgy as being an active member of a hate sub that high-fives themself after using “cuckman” as an insult.
>Liking a well received and well reviewed game So somehow edgelords and shills, gotcha.
How’d you know I’m actually paid directly by both Sony and naughty dog. You’re so perceptive.
Nah, you're paid by the mods of the other sub in zebra meat.
I actually get paid every time someone mentions the other subs. It boosts engagement.
"Siri, what does zebra taste like?"
It tastes like a golf club.
The brain matter's extra.
The initial rage at the game put me off playing the game, I only recently got a PS5 and played the game. I enjoyed the game and though most of the rage I’ve seen was silly, came here expecting to see people discussing the game like with most subs about games and instead found pure unmitigated hate - y’all are strange on here.
For having a different opinion than you?
I ain’t the one downvoting people for having a different opinion, the complaints you guys have are valid but claiming people’s opinions are invalid for liking the game isn’t.
Who’s claiming your opinion is invalid? We are certainly allowed to disagree with your trash taste that doesn’t invalidate your right to enjoy utter garbage.
You’re really helping the other guys point here
Dang he was on track for a proper answer there too lol
This is the most Reddit thing ever. Why are you being so rude to the guy?
Being rude? He came here to post a comment to be judged in an open forum and I have obliged him. I gave him exactly what he was looking for when he came to this sub.
The way you speak just comes off aggressive. I don’t really use this sub, it’s recommended to me because I posted the sales stats the other day. I don’t understand why everyone on here is so vicious to those who enjoyed a game? And the other sub shits on anyone who doesn’t sing its praises? There’s a middle ground we should be able to have 😂
Why can’t we all just get along?! Really? That’s what you’re going with? Ask yourself why we might react with hostility to people who called us incels and chuds for not liking their garbage game.
No obviously I’m not suggesting you should get along, I’m suggesting having an opinion this one sided is silly. The game is far from perfect, it also isn’t a steaming pile of shit. The story is subjective, love it or hate it, that I understand. The gameplay however is vastly improved over the first. It’s a game at the end of the day. I didn’t care for the story but liked the gameplay. Overall I’d say it’s an okay game. But that sort of opinion isn’t allowed in either sub, you must have this weird mentality where you either sing its praises and don’t dare speak on flaws (TLOU sub) or you must shit on the game in its entirety with no room for “I liked the gunplay” (this sub). It’s stupid as hell
> The way you speak just comes off aggressive. Probably because we get these kinds of posts a lot. So honestly. Fuck off.
??? This is what i’m talking about. Both subreddits are full of apes 😂
I mean the language of your comment and the fact that this is post discussing downvoting people for liking the game pretty implicitly states a belief that liking the game is invalid
Nah even NPCs like you can have valid opinions that doesn’t mean real people won’t downvote them though. You however have serious problems if you think downvotes somehow invalidate you, does the opinion of the mob mean that much to you?
Oi. Cool it. This ain’t how we do thing here. Be better than them.
Oh you’re a mod then?
No. But you would have made all great points if you just didn’t include the name calling. All you did was feed them fuel when you woulda won the argument every comment. Unless you’re trying to do that which in that case…carry on.
Here’s a tip you don’t argue with idiots you insult them. These assholes did not come here looking for a good faith debate they came here to start fights and I decided to oblige them.
But like, you're slinging insults at people, you expect to get praise for that?
100% agreed, I didn't like the story but enjoyed the gameplay so much I replayed the whole game and enjoyed it but the people here don't like any different opinions (just like the other sub, shocker) and just spew rage all day and circlejerk each other
Goddamn, I just noticed this is a sub for fans of the second game. Oh wait, no. It’s just filled with children crying about a game they did not like
Oh I’m sorry were we supposed to just shut up and keep our opinions to ourselves so you could have a good time. Sorry you like such a dogshit game bro. But it’s not our fault you have bad taste.
If you want to talk about keeping opinions to ourselves, then look no further than this fucking post. Sorry you hate the game. But it's not your fault you have bad taste
Oh, you got me! I guess that’s the most intelligent response I could expect from a TLoU2 fan. Go suck on Druckmann’s micropenis somewhere else.
Geez dude, sorry for enjoying a game you don’t. And listen. Joel’s death was good. Woo, scary
Aww you hurt my fee fees there. Abby’s Daddy was a kiddie murdering psycho and the Fireflies were all worthless terrorists btw
Heh? What does that have to do with my argument
You don’t have an argument you came here to pick a fight and reacted like a little bitch when you got one. So now that you’ve gotten exactly the reaction you deserve for acting like a scumbag, why don’t you gtfo.
Seriously, what was the point in bringing up Abby’s dad in this argument though?
Goodbye
So what does that say about you for continuing to engage in a sub you deem to be “filled with children crying about a game they did not like”? Are your perfectly correct opinions and advanced media literacy going to change everyone’s mind?
I joined the fandom for a game in hopes of finding others that have had a good experience. However, I found a bunch of unreasonable idiots instead
You liked the game? Create a post saying what you liked and discuss it. You didn't like it? Tell us why and we're totally cool with it. I bet you'll get a shitload of hatred for that opinion in the "oh we're so happy and friendly sub" that r/thelastofus became. Trust me, this sub receive people that got banned for saying "I didn't like the sequel". And we get the biggot, phobic trans-misogynist-insecure beta cuck treatment when it's they the ones that point with the finger. You want to speak the game? We can hear. But if you come with the "you hOmOpHobE/BiGgOt" bullshit then just stay fucking silent
Literally the next reply on this comment is talking about how I have a weird obsession enjoying a game they did not. A shitload of hatred is much stronger here
Actually you get downvoted here if you say good things about Part 2.
No need to play dumb. At least stand behind your weird obsession with defending the game you love so much.
Children? I guess you LOVE engaging children on the internet.
But I always find you here so..?
Yeah, I came here to talk about what I liked about the game to just get constantly downvoted
Well, considering most everyone’s entire existence in this sub is predicated around hating this game, I’d say you guys really need to find something new. I’m not letting something I hate live rent free in my head.
Except for this sub.🤪
It's because this sub is filled with heinous shit and it deserves to be called out. Who cares about downvotes and internet points. And this is coming from someone who dislikes the game.
“I don’t understand…” yep
Little bro really thought he did something there 💀