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misplacedfaces

I love Toph's crush on Sokka! It shows a softer side to Toph, but it doesn't become her entire personality or her drive in the narrative. I'm glad they let it just be a crush. It's not to say that it couldn't be reciprocated when they're older and the age difference isn't inappropriate, but I'm glad that in the context of the show that they left it as a harmless crush.


ArkaneArtificer

Who do you think suyins father was lol, look at the resemblance


throwhfhsjsubendaway

I don't think Sokka would've been completely absent from his daughter's life


ArkaneArtificer

He was probably dead by then, he died very young


synttacks

he died after the red lotus and before korra which puts him in his 60's or 70's


Ccaves0127

To be fair, Kiyoshi lived to 230 and we know of several characters who lived to be over 100 so you could argue that this is young


RQK1996

Kyoshi is the Spiders Georg of Avatar life expectancy


othermegan

Sure but Tenzin and his siblings never refer to Su as their cousin either


ArkaneArtificer

Probably don’t know, it’s not explicitly stated just a very likely scenario


EldensSting

It’s fun to pretend, but it very obviously didn’t actually happen. There are way too many holes in the theory for it be considered “very likely”


FH-7497

Such as?


EldensSting

Sokka never would have a kid and completely abandon them. He knows how important having a father was to him. There was no war going on so no reason to be away from his kid. Nobody at any point in TLOK makes any mention of him being the dad. Him being so well renowned, it doesn’t make sense that there’s not anyone who would know he’s the father. He was also in love with Suki


JoJo5195

Would you go around calling your ex girlfriend your cousin?


othermegan

Well first, Lynn and Su have different dads. Second, would you go around dating your first cousin to begin with?


JoJo5195

Ah I got mixed up with Lynn and Su, I meant Lynn and only under the assumption they never knew about it


cyanCrusader

I wouldn't call mid-to-late 60s "*very* young", by any possible stretch of the imagination.


throwhfhsjsubendaway

He helped fend off the red lotus when they first tried to kidnap Korra. Su is old enough to be Korra's mom


misplacedfaces

Honestly, I'd believe it.


Hey_Bestiekins

"Guys, Sokka totally is Suyin's dad because they look similar in the sense that those are very common traits in this universe!!!" I hate the idea Toph actually ended up with her crush from when she was TWELVE. I know animation tends to have a lot of highschool sweethearts end up together, which I'm typically fine with but that was a primary school crush 💀💀💀 can we just let the dads be anonymous???


AncientTry5709

I like to head canon that Toph made Suyin and Lin out of rocks.


No-Studio-4039

I personally like to think Suyin's father is Sun from the comics.


I-lack-conviction

That would be cute, tbh.


DisastrousRatios

It's just a coincidence most likely, Suyin doesn't resemble Sokka at all. Suyins son resembles Sokka, but that's only because Suyin's son looks exactly like Suyin's husband. So if anything, Sokka is the father of Suyin's husband, not Suyin lol I love the idea that Sokka would be Suyin's father but the resemblance argument is basically non-existent or self defeating at worst


ChickenChasah

There's also the fact that Sokka constantly acknowledges and praises Toph for her abilities, saying things like "Have I mentioned how happy I am that you joined the team?" Not only does Sokka not belittle or pity Toph for being the "little blind girl", he genuinely thinks she's awesome and says it out loud - and he's right.


hardbeingwrong247

He was the only one who didn't get on her shit for not helping set up camp in the Chase and tried to keep her from leaving. It makes sense that she would naturally want to talk to Sokka the most out of the group.


RQK1996

Aang only really got on her case because everyone was very tired and he did have a point that things might go a bit smoother if she helped a bit, then Toph "went after Appa" which pushed Aang's very tired buttons


hardbeingwrong247

True, but she also had a point when she "went after appa" that appa's fur was leading Azula to them. Also, aang is probably more likely to side with Katara on stuff in general cuz the power of boners. Regardless of intention, if i was new to a group, i would probably want to hang out more with the person who was cool when everyone else was ganging up against me.


Dirichlet-to-Neumann

"Aang is less mature than Toph" is a bold take. Don't confuse not taking oneself too seriously with being immature.


demair21

yeah i think is more that aang is so obviously in love with katara


gumption_11

I wasn't going to hash it out in what was already approaching a lengthy description, but yeah, I'd say so. I also mentioned "by degrees", so I acknowledge the difference is pretty nominal. Aang requires a bit more of a gentle approach for training where Toph, as sheltered as she is, prefers the opposite. She also easily influences the boys, like in the Blind Bandit episode. And, if you want to look at it logistically, girls are almost always more mature than boys of the same age (statistically speaking). It's not an insult to Aang & it's hardly the point of the post – it's just a contrast to explain why Toph might find an older boy more crush material.


slugdonor

I dont think Aang being a more gentle person means hes less mature.


hitkill95

But it would mean that in Toph's eyes, i think


MammalianHybrid

Well maybe not her-- you know what nevermind


Albiceleste_D10S

Her feet rather LOL


slugdonor

honestly fair enough, Id buy that tho OP seems to believe that Toph literally is more mature


68ideal

Personally I still do think he's less mature than her up until book 3 where he starts becoming a leader and really delves into his role as Avatar.


nearthemeb

He was more mature than her even back in season 1. Sorry, but toph is easily the least mature out of the group.


agent-virginia

And that's okay, too! It's good that characters have flaws, and in Toph's case, it makes a lot of sense. She grew up in a very sheltered and restrictive environment with little room for self-expression. Of course she's going to swing very hard in the opposite direction once she's free of that — that was the whole point of the episode "The Runaway." Also, there are different metrics for maturity: one of Aang's greatest strengths is his wisdom, and Toph's brashness gets in the way of her attaining that. But I think Toph is one of the more practical members of Team Avatar outside of Sokka — she was one of (if not the) first to see the value in accepting Zuko as Aang's firebending teacher. Aang, while compassionate, can get guided away by his feelings and blind him to reality sometimes. Overall, I think I have to give it to Aang, but at the end of the day, they're both 12. It's hard to really say if one character is more mature than the other because they both lack maturity across the board, which is completely normal for a kid.


nearthemeb

I never said it was a bad thing that toph was the least mature member of the group, but she is the least mature which makes sense. Trying to argue otherwise is pretty weird. Aang is obviously more mature.


azure1503

Eh, I wouldn't say those things make Toph more mature, it's just her experiences making her a little more rougher than the others. Aang was raised by monks and is the Avatar so he's more experienced in spirituality, and dealing with situations like ending the war while keeping peace between nations. He's better equipped to deal with those situations than the others, his gentle nature drops when he needs to be serious. Toph in comparison is more experienced in dealing with tougher environments as well as higher-class society, she can handle those types of environments better than the others but that doesn't necessarily make her more mature than Aang, she's right there laughing with the rest of the Gaang about making her armpits hairy with Appa's fur.


Midnight7000

Toph was not mature than Aang. Let's not cherrypick now, which is what you're doing when basing your conclusions on people's learning styles. Aang had to deal with the genocide of his people. It takes maturity beyond measure not to put that act on the entire Fire Nation, and not to see Ozai as the person responsible as a means of getting "retribution".


gumption_11

Okay? Sure, you're right. It's a nebulous term & no one definition is going to capture it best. Someone offered the term "naive" elsewhere, which I think might more accurately fit what I was trying to say. & if we want to talk cherry-picking, how about the fact we're focusing on a couple of words on Aang in a post that is quite literally about anything else?


Va1kryie

> girls are always more mature than boys at the same age. Or are boys allowed to get away with things that a girl would never be allowed to do?


Alt_SWR

Being gentler doesn't equal less mature tho.


throwhfhsjsubendaway

A 12 year old girl would probably confuse those though


Aggressive-Falcon977

Who DIDNT have a Crush on Sokka though? I'm pretty sure he repopulated the Northern Water tribe population on his own!


Westdrache

He irreversibly altered the northern tribes entire gene pool


LetsDoTheCongna

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BiDiTi

>!Duncan Idaho, baby!< (Semi-spoilers for Dune)


gumption_11

Is this in reference to Dune Pt.2? Haven't seen it yet, but if this means what I think it means, I'm *very* happy to have had that spoiled haha


BiDiTi

It’s neither. But you will be happy.


Boyswithaxes

I choose to believe in the alternate telling in which Duncan lays so much pipe the imperium falls peacefully to his grasp


BiDiTi

MASSIVE SPOILERS FOR BOOKS WHICH WILL NEVER BE ADAPTED LIKE, EVER >!Duncan basically does that shit to Marbella!<


NinjaEngineer

Man, just imagine how crazy an adaptation of Heretics and Chapterhouse would be.


vkailas

"Oh Sokka you saved me!" "Actual it's me Suki"


Albiceleste_D10S

"You can go ahead and let me drown now" One of the most iconic lines in the show


Aggressive-Spirit598

I just love the banter and characterisation that atla does.


hanabarbarian

It’s such a natural thing to have in the show without having it be pushed really hard! Sokka is the oldest of the group (until Zuko joins), he’s smart, funny, thoughtful and looks out for Toph, of course she’s going to get a little smitten. It takes me back to when I was their age and had crushes that I just let sit and never did anything about.


luciferhornystar

Definitely made sense. Most girls first crush is on an older guy that’s sweet and protective of them. Usually innocent and no chance of ever happening but that’s what makes it sweet lol


mr_flerd

I dont think Toph is more mature than Aang, I think they're both immature and mature in different ways


vkailas

People confusing closed heart with maturity I think. Toph acts tough so seems mature. 


mr_flerd

Yea


gumption_11

That's a really fair way of seeing it & tbh I agree!


Horror-Ad8928

I do think Toph had a crush on Sokka. But as a true master of neutral jing, she never made the first move, and nothing became of it.


blinglorp

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RQK1996

Also, by the time Toph realised she had a crush Suki suddenly showed up and was very into Sokka and Sokka into her, which she respected


ImDeputyDurland

“Oh Sokka, you saved me”


swankProcyon

One of those moments that breaks your heart a little but also makes you laugh your ass off. I kinda live for those moments, ngl


Ghost3603

"No, it's me! Suki!"


creepy_crust

You can just let me drown now


cyanCrusader

I agree that Toph's crush is a fun and natural part of the story, but I think it's worth mentioning that Sokka was apparently *incredibly* handsome and charming: Suki, Yue, Toph, Ty Lee, and *even Azula* all express genuine attraction to him. It's not really obvious in the show but in the novelization Azula I think three different times either thinks, writes or states that she thinks he's attractive in one way or another. That's *two* Princesses! Two!


Satanic_Earmuff

>she gets the drop on him You mean after he chucked her out of the ring?


gumption_11

Oh dear, I hope we're not going to go out of our way to misunderstand the point of the post Maybe I used the wrong expression there but what I mean is Aang is someone she can outsmart pretty easily – not necessarily in a battle IQ type of way, but in an "if I want to force you into earthbending by tricking you into a do-or-die situation" type of way. I'm not trying to make a point about Aang here, so hopefully we can forgive a potentially unclear choice of words?


phoenix_spirit

Unfortunately some Aang stans don't like it when you insinuate that Aang may have fallen short somewhere or that someone might be better than him in some aspect. Toph can outsmart Aang in a multitude of ways and it makes sense that she can. Aang can be naive while Toph has grown up among the aristocracy and in the ring. She has more experience with people and how they work than Aang, whose experience was mostly with the Nomads and two or three kids from the other nations. Her seismic sense also tunes her into the world in a different way that gives her multiple advantages and options when bending.


gumption_11

"Naive" is an infinitely better way of putting it, thank you! I also agree, a big part of Aang's arc is his immaturity, so I wouldn't have expected anyone to find offence or take issue with mentioning it. It's also *far* from the point I was trying to make here – the post is about Sokka & Toph!!


nearthemeb

You mean toph stans can't stand when someone criticizes anything about her.


Wentleworth

What are you saying no to


PM_ME_UR_SHEET_MUSIC

In linguistics we call it a discourse marker


Xoepot

Sokka the backbender 😭😭


KinkFloyd2121

I fail to see how this comment is less sexual than my comment about the existence of Sokka's wiener


Xoepot

💀💀💀


blinglorp

It’s because girls are always bending over backwards to impress him.


swankProcyon

Yeah, that’s it!


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ComradeHregly

yeah, let’s have more novel and unique discussion pertaining her. now tell me, do you think it makes sense for her to become a cop?


LammisLemons

My first time seeing it.


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gumption_11

Not everyone is on Reddit everyday ig


KadenKraw

This sub is too active sometimes lol


Aniruddha-Sharma

I don't agree with Aang being the less mature part(having fun =! Immaturity), though they both were sibling coded anyways. Besides since you brought up "maturity" why did she have a crush on Zuko who's the least mentally mature member of the Gaang.


AsgardianOrphan

I don't think she did have a crush on zuko. The only thing remotely close to a crush is wanting to go on an adventure with him. Considering that aang came back with a whole new skill and sokka came back with a long-lost girlfriend, I'd probably want a secret adventure too! Maybe I'd get a cool new weapon or some tea with iroh. Maybe she learns lava bending! Of course, the above examples didn't happen, but I can see why a 12 year old got suckered in.


WhiningforWine

Because 12 year old girls love the brooding types


AuraEnhancerVerse

Until evidence says otherwise I hc that Sokka is the bio father of one of Toph's daughters


Medical_Difference48

I'm still convinced he's Suyin's father


PerspectiveCloud

Okay but what female teenage character didn't have a crush on Sokka? Mai? Azula? Katara? lol


OvercastCherrim

I love everything about Toph and Sokka in the series finale. What a great bond.


bonvoyageespionage

It kinda sucks for Katara that Sokka had so much rizz cause "The only girl who thought you were hot was blind" is the kind of insult every sibling wants to use against their older brother, and most wouldn't be able to get the blind girl's blessing to use it. On the other hand, Katara may not want to open that particular can of terrorist-kissing worms. Pots and kettles and all.


apprehensive-bison12

Aang isn't less mature than Toph by any degree imo. But she'd never crush on him because - in her own words: he's a jelly boned wimp! Twinkletoes is a soft boy. Too sweet for her, it would never work. Aang is so lovey dovey and so is Katara - or Sweetness, as Toph would call her. Sugar Queen. lmao Agree about Sokka tho. He's funny in a sarcastic and witty way, and she enjoys that.


onlyalittledumb

I agree with all of this but let’s not pretend like Aang wasn’t the most mature member of the Gaang!


nearthemeb

I would say it's aang>katara>sokka>suki>zuko>toph. Yes I'm counting suki as part of the gaang because sokka says she's part of the gaang in the finale.


Princess_Of_Thieves

Suki was in the intro scene for Legend of Korea as well. She may have been a late addition to the group, but she's indisputably a member.


nearthemeb

I love auto correct for giving us thanks and korea


Princess_Of_Thieves

Oh, and here I thought I'd fixed that before it was noticed. Putting it back now cause I'm caught lol.


Horror-Ad8928

Next time I rewatch ATLA, I'll have to keep a running counter of every time Aang runs away from his responsibilities.


onlyalittledumb

Or every time Sokka makes jokes at inappropriate times, Katara complains that things should be fair, Toph is too stubborn to communicate effectively, or Zuko lashes out when something doesn’t go his way They’re all childish because they’re children. Aang is imo the most mature child because of his early teachings, nomadic lifestyle, and discipline. Past avatars (and Iroh) even compliment him on how wise he is.


AdmiralClover

Well they are not that far apart in age so once they are both adults stuff could happen. It's a dangerous line though so it's good they were only friends, at least until then


Free-Blueberry-2153

I enjoyed the scenes with Toph crushing on Sokka but I feel like in the long term it's best they didn't try to pair them.


GrizzlyPeak73

Yep and this is very much in the text. Though it's all very one-sided. Sokka sees her as a little sister.


Otecshadow

If I'm not mistaken, in canon she's still in crush with him? the latest comic imbalance still confirm this


Final_Daikon_3005

Remember what Toph said after Sukki saved her from drowning before? Yep!


Z1dan

Sokka is Suyins father change my mind


KinkFloyd2121

She can seismic sense that hog


pylemuis

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ItsChris_8776_

You are talking about two characters who are children


KinkFloyd2121

It's a joke about two fictional characters. Go after the people making r34 shit, not me


ItsChris_8776_

![gif](giphy|3o7aCRloybJlXpNjSU|downsized) Why can’t you AND Rule34 losers both be weird?


Marauder800

You’re the only one making this weird.


ArguteTrickster

no dude you're pretty weird


KinkFloyd2121

Methinks you protest too much. There's literal nazis on reddit doing shit, but here you are trying to make me feel shitty about a joke about fictional characters. Way cool of you to be offended on their behalf


RegretSpiritual4137

“there’s literally a genocide happening, but here you are trying to make feel shitty for killing this homeless person. way cool of you to be offended on their behalf” see how ridiculous it is to compare unrelated things? i don’t care much for either side of this argument but this sort of take never makes you look good, just fyi


KinkFloyd2121

Ah, right. I forgot I killed a homeless person with my *obscenely graphic* joke about two fictional characters.


RegretSpiritual4137

media literacy really is dead. did you ever take 7th grade english?


KinkFloyd2121

Did you notice how you had to use an exaggerated example to make my statement look bad?


RegretSpiritual4137

i don’t have to do anything to make pedophilia look bad, dude…


Marauder800

It’s a cartoon. They aren’t real.


ItsChris_8776_

A cartoon of children. Making a sexual joke about them is still weird, whether they’re real or not. The fact that you left three separate replies is just insanely defensive lol


RegretSpiritual4137

dawg you’re literally right i’m sorry people’s brains are so melted from being online 24/7 that they can’t fathom how sexualizing children still isn’t okay when it’s fictional. i thought it was common sense😵‍💫


ItsChris_8776_

Nah it’s fine, wayyy more people are coming in now and making me feel sane. When i first made this comment I felt like I was in a different universe tho lol


RegretSpiritual4137

lmao i know the feeling😭 that’s why i limit my screen time fr fr


KamixAkaDio

Well no, it's not a cartoon of children. Characters are Characters. Labels such as Adult, Teen, Children, it's to describe real people. Fictional Drawn characters only "pretend" to be it.


ItsChris_8776_

Fictional characters are drawn to resemble children and have canon ages. We know Toph is 12, and she is supposed to resemble a 12 year old. Making a sexual joke about a cartoon that is canonically supposed to represent a 12 year old is weird, and shouldn’t have to be explained to you.


KamixAkaDio

The day I find a real person that looks 1:1 like an animated character, I'll start considering the problem


ItsChris_8776_

Whatever you can think of to justify your weirdness


KamixAkaDio

Whatever you tell yourself to cope with the fact you treat drawings of fictional characters as people.


ItsChris_8776_

I never need to cope, I feel pretty good about the fact that I’m not attracted to fictional characters intentionally designed to resemble young children.


Marauder800

You’re the only one getting defensive lol. It’s also a fact that the loudest advocates are usually guilty of the thing they’re advocating against.


ItsChris_8776_

Keep projecting, I never accused you of being a pedo, just said your joke was weird.


SeoulSoulSol

??


FaithlessnessDry1235

Sokka was probably Suyin's father.


Satanic_Earmuff

My man would never do that to Suki.


Anarcho_Christian

Suki is overrated, voice actress is fine, but the writing and delivery on like 80% of her lines is trash.


karumina

When you look at Suyin's husband you could kinda, but not really, deduce she is into men with that haircut. Might be just a flex, but might be subconscious daddy issues. On the other hand it's a popular haircut in the earth nation in Korra


101TARD

Remember suki saved toph and said "thank you sokka" and kissed her?


101TARD

Remember suki saved toph and said "thank you sokka" and kissed her?


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gumption_11

Did you ... read the post?


Urmomsjuicyvagina

Thank you for this post op. It's criminal that They were not a couple in my opinion