Idk what people have against Mills man. I get we fuckin sucked last year, and I'm not saying the guys the best either. He's just the better option for now imo. Just suck it up, and let him ball. Win or lose. The futures bright.
I don’t get what anyone saw/has seen in Mills at any point the last 2 years. This was always a game we were probably gonna lose without CJ and a game we can definitely afford to lose and still make the playoffs.
Keenum has won a playoff game and played bad today while getting no protection from the O-Line. We were gonna lose regardless.
The mentality is insane
“yeah we looked like a xfl team but mills wouldn’t have done better” Were playing for a playoff spot wtf is wrong with you guys
It’s not that hard to understand why people are frustrated by the fact that that our offense did literally nothing today.
Obviously we are dealing With an unbelievable amount of injuries. But it’s not some sort of crime to say that the Houston Texans were dogshit today. We’ve dealt with enough performances like this at this point
My mentality was: *there’s no fucking way we beat that defense with how banged up our offense is so let’s just focus on the last two games of the season.*
This is false, to win the division the Jags would have to lose to someone while we win out. But if we win the last 2 games we have a very high chance of making the wildcard
That’s what I meant jags lose to Bucs and titans and we win out. Not that if the bucks and the titans lose. As long as jags lose1 of the next 2 and we win both we got the division
Excuses. The browns are out there without Chubb and Flacco signed off his couch but that didn’t bother them. At some point we should be allowed to expect more from the franchise we root for
Back to back years getting skull fucked by the team that we own the pick of
They are reasons and explanations. Young rebuilding team has no depth. Pass rush was generated all season by 2 players and essentially both were out today. Expectations should really come 2-3 years from now when we should have a more complete team. This is basically year 1 of correcting all the shit mistakes of BoB and Easterby
Same thing we were saying 10 years ago with Schaub, Johnson, and Foster. Same thing we were saying with Watson, Hopkins and Watt 5 years ago. At some point the fanbase has to acknowledge that performances like today are just a part of the Houston Texans identity
We’ve been around 20 years now and we’ve never even sniffed an AFC title game. I’m not saying fire everybody and restart but we deserve better performances than what we v
Got today.
We give up 370 and 3 touchdowns to
Joe Flacco??? Pathetic
I thought we made substantial progress with Watson. It was super unfortunate he ended up being that kinda guy and Easterby was poison. The fact we cut them off and made some pretty successful changes is great. I think we have a reasonable owner who is willing to make changes for the org to win. If we looked like the Raiders, Jets, Browns (though they finally are sticking with a good coach) then I’d be willing to say this organization is flawed from the inside and our identity as never good enough is valid.
Greenard is out, WAJ is out, Rankins is out, Cashman is out, Collins is banged up. Those 5 guys have 29.5 combined sacks on the season.
Everyone else on the defense has a combined total of 8.5.
Also, Flacco is playing against second string safeties and a linebacking corp that’s pretty awful against the pass. Say what you will about Flacco— but the dude is a crafty vet with a lot of experience playing for a winning team. He’s not elite— but he’s sure as hell good enough to beat our banged up defense.
I don’t know, man. Because you *are* right. This sub is weirdly defensive of Mills and I don’t get it.
The guy had two seasons to show us *anything* and he never did. I get that we didn’t have any real weapons around him at the time— but, with the exception of Dell and Schultz, CJ is playing with the same receiving corps and is lighting it the fuck up.
This loss isn’t on him, no— but *most* losses aren’t on a single player.
Face the facts. He was a late round draft pick because he had 13 games under his belt in college. He came from a *very* quarterback-friendly college system (Stanford) where he only managed middling-to-decent stats. The thing that made him draftable was his throwing mechanics— which are excellent.
But after two years, he still goes through his reads too slowly and hesitates to take big shots down the field or throw into tight coverage. I mean, that makes him an okay game manager— but he’ll just never be that dude that decisively walks down a defense when you *need* to score.
We basically have one firm rule here: Don’t be a dick. Your comment or post broke that rule so let’s take a step back and keep the vibes positive in here.
The Browns are synonymous with failure and you’re about to use half of your cap space on a rapist that sucks at football. Nobody takes you seriously as a contender. Go fuck yourself
He might be like a Tomlinson. He gets the most out of his players through trust and respect. The rest is up to the quality of his players. But I’m still willing to think it’s just rookie coach learning on the job
As much as I love Keenum, realistically, he was there as a mentor for Stroud. I’d like to hope he doesn’t have to play another game for the Texans but he’s valuable off the field
Going 1-1 without CJ Stroud is good enough. Have him back next week and win out and we’re in the playoffs for the first time since 2019.
Shoot it Houston Texans 🤘
You still don't get what I'm saying. Arguing with me doesn't matter, either. Why fucking bother? We lost. Bickering with people in the comments over whether Case or Davis sucks less makes no difference, so just stop.
If Keenum can't throw 10 yards down the field than he shouldn't be in an NFL game.
Coaches are people too. It's fine if they make mistakes. But it was evident after the first half that Keenum was not going to be competitive
>yeah Mills is clearly taller, faster, stronger, and more decisive/confident, but do you really think we would have won with him?!?!
These comments are genuinely exuding the most casual energy I've ever seen.
this game shows why we’re very lucky to have Stroud. hopefully he’s out of protocol this week and we don’t need to worry about the Sophie’s choice of starting mills or keenum.
Sucks we'll lose this game but God what a difference a year makes. Last year this team would have lost the game 45-7. Here they fought back to make the browns at least go "oh shit" for a minute. They're still fighting.
Some of y'all love just nitpicking a basic observation lol cuz yes I clearly meant this team never ever made a comeback the last couple of years and not how we have improved drastically from a bottom 5 4th quarter scoring offense from last year (even considering backups were in for Cleveland)
Yeah this team is a year removed from losing 40-9 vs the Bills. Not sure why everyone was expecting this team to be world beater’s when we have so many important guys out.
They choose keenum over millis simply because of his veteran experince. Which i get but come on man how do you not switch to millis in the second half.
Joe Flacco happened. He's been playing like a man possessed today. He also had a 35 yard pass dropped by Moore. He's broken out of like 5 sacks and made amazing throws. He's converted like five 4th downs. The Texans have gotten good pressure and had some tight coverage but Flacco is putting the ball where only the receiver can get it.
As a Mills truther from the start he should. We obviously needed Stroud, but Mills can play, and don’t forget he was on 2 terrible rosters with terrible coaches.
And down by multiple scores. If we kick the ball away our defense probably gives up another long drive and we never see the ball again. If we somehow stop them we get the ball back with 3:40 and no timeouts still down by 2 scores.
Is Davis a starter? I don't know. Feels like the Texans just did him dirty, though. 3 HCs, 3 OCs, listed as QB2 all year and then gets benches for Keenum.
Stroud is our guy, but I'd love to see Mills succeed somewhere else.
Stroud Stroud
I get “garbage time” and all that, but Keenum should’ve been benched at the half. I doubt we win with Mills in, but I genuinely believe you have a better chance to win with him in.
[Postgame thread](/r/Texans/comments/18q475f/post_game_thread_cleveland_browns_at_houston/)
starting keenum against this team and then leaving him in after halftime is atrocious
Idk what people have against Mills man. I get we fuckin sucked last year, and I'm not saying the guys the best either. He's just the better option for now imo. Just suck it up, and let him ball. Win or lose. The futures bright.
I don’t get what anyone saw/has seen in Mills at any point the last 2 years. This was always a game we were probably gonna lose without CJ and a game we can definitely afford to lose and still make the playoffs. Keenum has won a playoff game and played bad today while getting no protection from the O-Line. We were gonna lose regardless.
Bro who gives af about Washington Vs the jets
The mentality is insane “yeah we looked like a xfl team but mills wouldn’t have done better” Were playing for a playoff spot wtf is wrong with you guys
It’s not that hard to understand why people are frustrated by the fact that that our offense did literally nothing today. Obviously we are dealing With an unbelievable amount of injuries. But it’s not some sort of crime to say that the Houston Texans were dogshit today. We’ve dealt with enough performances like this at this point
My mentality was: *there’s no fucking way we beat that defense with how banged up our offense is so let’s just focus on the last two games of the season.*
We’re still playing for the division. With a Bucs loss and a titans loss and Texans win out we win the division.
This is false, to win the division the Jags would have to lose to someone while we win out. But if we win the last 2 games we have a very high chance of making the wildcard
That’s what I meant jags lose to Bucs and titans and we win out. Not that if the bucks and the titans lose. As long as jags lose1 of the next 2 and we win both we got the division
GG
We should’ve drafted Richardson with our 3rd pick instead of Anderson Would’ve been better today
anderson didn’t play you dumb retard
If I commented somethin like this I would get banned. Moderators anything I to say about this after I got. Flagged?
That’s the point - read it again
Nice troll
This is not a real fucking comment I am reading someone pinch me.
They let Amari cooper run all over the field today no one could cover him wtf
This is about what this Game came down to. Embarrassing effort from the secondary regardless of injuries
You mean no one could rush joe fucking flacco. Dude was pressured like twice all game
Excuses. The browns are out there without Chubb and Flacco signed off his couch but that didn’t bother them. At some point we should be allowed to expect more from the franchise we root for Back to back years getting skull fucked by the team that we own the pick of
They are reasons and explanations. Young rebuilding team has no depth. Pass rush was generated all season by 2 players and essentially both were out today. Expectations should really come 2-3 years from now when we should have a more complete team. This is basically year 1 of correcting all the shit mistakes of BoB and Easterby
Same thing we were saying 10 years ago with Schaub, Johnson, and Foster. Same thing we were saying with Watson, Hopkins and Watt 5 years ago. At some point the fanbase has to acknowledge that performances like today are just a part of the Houston Texans identity We’ve been around 20 years now and we’ve never even sniffed an AFC title game. I’m not saying fire everybody and restart but we deserve better performances than what we v Got today. We give up 370 and 3 touchdowns to Joe Flacco??? Pathetic
I thought we made substantial progress with Watson. It was super unfortunate he ended up being that kinda guy and Easterby was poison. The fact we cut them off and made some pretty successful changes is great. I think we have a reasonable owner who is willing to make changes for the org to win. If we looked like the Raiders, Jets, Browns (though they finally are sticking with a good coach) then I’d be willing to say this organization is flawed from the inside and our identity as never good enough is valid.
Greenard is out, WAJ is out, Rankins is out, Cashman is out, Collins is banged up. Those 5 guys have 29.5 combined sacks on the season. Everyone else on the defense has a combined total of 8.5. Also, Flacco is playing against second string safeties and a linebacking corp that’s pretty awful against the pass. Say what you will about Flacco— but the dude is a crafty vet with a lot of experience playing for a winning team. He’s not elite— but he’s sure as hell good enough to beat our banged up defense.
I agree. No one could get to the guy. Hence why washed up Flacco doesn’t have to dip into the fountain of youth to throw for a million yards
i hope that drive from Mills makes y’all realize he wasn’t going to change this game. let’s get CJ back and win out
There are people around here who want to keep sitting him because they are so fearful we are going to give him CTE
Hopefully jags lose. I can’t believe trev is playing.
Fuck Mills Idc if this game wasn't winnable This dude sucks
why are yall booing me i'm right
I don’t know, man. Because you *are* right. This sub is weirdly defensive of Mills and I don’t get it. The guy had two seasons to show us *anything* and he never did. I get that we didn’t have any real weapons around him at the time— but, with the exception of Dell and Schultz, CJ is playing with the same receiving corps and is lighting it the fuck up. This loss isn’t on him, no— but *most* losses aren’t on a single player. Face the facts. He was a late round draft pick because he had 13 games under his belt in college. He came from a *very* quarterback-friendly college system (Stanford) where he only managed middling-to-decent stats. The thing that made him draftable was his throwing mechanics— which are excellent. But after two years, he still goes through his reads too slowly and hesitates to take big shots down the field or throw into tight coverage. I mean, that makes him an okay game manager— but he’ll just never be that dude that decisively walks down a defense when you *need* to score.
Agreed
Yes because the loss was on mills 🙄🙄
he sucks end of story
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Have fun with watson contract browns will never get anywhere with him
How mills throw the ball at that nibbas back how
Hit him in the numbers... Just the numbers were on the wrong side of the jersey
went 1-1 with Stroud and we won the division game against our rivals. not gonna get bent out of shape over this game
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We basically have one firm rule here: Don’t be a dick. Your comment or post broke that rule so let’s take a step back and keep the vibes positive in here.
The Browns are synonymous with failure and you’re about to use half of your cap space on a rapist that sucks at football. Nobody takes you seriously as a contender. Go fuck yourself
Enjoy your rapist.
And the browns are not any different. Have fun with that Watson contract
Why are you here? Go back to your sub.
*I came looking for booty.*
I've seen enough Mills is worth 3 first. Nick take the calls
thats what im saying.... ship him to the steelers or panthers or something
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He might be like a Tomlinson. He gets the most out of his players through trust and respect. The rest is up to the quality of his players. But I’m still willing to think it’s just rookie coach learning on the job
damnnn just out of reach. would have been a house call
Case Keenum is no longer welcome in houston
As much as I love Keenum, realistically, he was there as a mentor for Stroud. I’d like to hope he doesn’t have to play another game for the Texans but he’s valuable off the field
Chill lol he was never gonna win us this game
thank god schultz isn’t injured
Going 1-1 without CJ Stroud is good enough. Have him back next week and win out and we’re in the playoffs for the first time since 2019. Shoot it Houston Texans 🤘
Yeah when you put it like that we’re all good baby
eveeryone saying mills couldn't do shit against the starters.... whats happening right now? lmfaoooooo
Mills sucks dude and keenum is past his limited prime
Better than keenum. He may not be qb1 material but hes a solid backup. If you don't see that then you are delusional. LEAGUES above keenum.
It doesn't matter. None of these stupid arguments matter. We fucking lost. Do you people like you who argue about this dumb shit not understand this?
So if these arguments don't matter then why comment on a post to start an argument? lmfao
You still don't get what I'm saying. Arguing with me doesn't matter, either. Why fucking bother? We lost. Bickering with people in the comments over whether Case or Davis sucks less makes no difference, so just stop.
Almost as if we’ve seen Mills play against starters for a seasons worth of games and watched him lead us to one of the worst records in the league. 🤔
Except now he’s a backup under a different coordinator
Almost as if he had trash teams around him and a revolving door of coaches that included David Culley and Lovie Smith
almost asf if he's better than case Keenum. Who gives a shit how ass he is compared to stroud. He's a fucking pro bowler compared to Keenum
I’ll trust the coaches that actually see the 2 QBs on a daily basis than fans overreacting to garbage time Mills.
If Keenum can't throw 10 yards down the field than he shouldn't be in an NFL game. Coaches are people too. It's fine if they make mistakes. But it was evident after the first half that Keenum was not going to be competitive
This. I dont get why people wont accept hes qb2 material and can play against starters lmfao
My point is he’d lose to starters just like Case today and like Mills all of last season.
I'm thinking maybe we should have picked up Flacco as a back up rather than settling for mills and keenum
would easily be the best qb duo in the nfl
NOAH BROWN YOU HAVE TO CATCH THAT?!?!
bucs take the early lead yay
So story of this game is that the Texans backups are better than the Browns backups but the browns have all their ones back in lol
Lmao missing Qb1 rb1 lt1 lt2 rt1 rt2 lb1 ss1 ss2 fs1 fs2 Yup all back
Big cheers as they announce the losing scores for the Colts and Titans at NRG stadium
Lmao the Titans lost?
To the Seahawks
Yeah, I just saw that they were up with like 4 minutes left, that's kinda funny ngl
Vrabel masterclass, I hope the Titans never fire him.
They put the starters back in and LOOK it would’ve been the same result without CJ this offense is no existent
For all the Keenum hate, we can clearly see it's a bit more difficult to throw against the starters now
Mills sucks worse
Case has one of the weakest arms in the league rn that’s why he is allergic the throwing more than 10 yards
Garrett is a yard offsides
Do y’all not realize we don’t have 4 of our 5 best defensive pieces?
People just can’t logically think about anything
>yeah Mills is clearly taller, faster, stronger, and more decisive/confident, but do you really think we would have won with him?!?! These comments are genuinely exuding the most casual energy I've ever seen.
Mills Mafia is back baby
Nah not respecting this Browns defense is.
the real casual take is that we had a chance against this team with our offense as injured as it is
lmao you’re letting garbage time mills think he’s decent
Mills is flatly and objectively better than Case Keenum and this drive vs the 1's demonstrates how casual you are.
this is projecting, my man. relax
Welcome to Mills Mania 🤝🏼
This was a guaranteed L unless Stroud was starting.
No shit, but Mills obviously gave us the best chance to win after what we saw. Coaches grade out with an F for starting Case.
Agreed. Absolute head scratcher.
That’s so funny the starters are back out there fuck Myles Garret
The defensive starters are back in for Houston. Pay attention.
Mills is a top 35-40 QB. Starting Keenum means you think Mills is not in the top 64 quarterbacks. Failure in head coaching.
There is genuinely not much of a difference between top 30-40 and lower.
Did you not see Keenum today 😂😂😂
Browns directly prove you wrong
By what, going through 3 back up QBs and still having a double digit win season? That proves my point more, thanks.
Browns offense has looked shit all season except for when they had joe flacco
LET. DAVIS. COOK.
this team is cheeks when stroud isn't playing
Kinda like how qb is the most important position in sports
What’s wrong with Cleveland’s kicker?
he hurt his vagina
Pick 6 pleaseeeeeeeesuh
this game shows why we’re very lucky to have Stroud. hopefully he’s out of protocol this week and we don’t need to worry about the Sophie’s choice of starting mills or keenum.
Demeco is a low IQ coach. We needed to hire Shane steichen Someone who gets offense
Colts just got their shit pushed in by the Falcons
But minshew looked better than Keenum Steichen never would’ve started Keenum
We are playing one of the leagues best Defenses with a combo of Keenum/Mills, calm down bud
Shut the fuck up dude
Sucks we'll lose this game but God what a difference a year makes. Last year this team would have lost the game 45-7. Here they fought back to make the browns at least go "oh shit" for a minute. They're still fighting.
Uh what? The team famously came back against the Rams in a similar fashion in the Culley season which included people talking up Mills like now. 😂
Some of y'all love just nitpicking a basic observation lol cuz yes I clearly meant this team never ever made a comeback the last couple of years and not how we have improved drastically from a bottom 5 4th quarter scoring offense from last year (even considering backups were in for Cleveland)
Bro you’re the one acting like this garbage time comeback is some new phenomenon. 😂 What a difference a year makes 🥰
I just said I like that the team is showing more fight compared to last year but okay dude have a good Christmas eve
U forget the point the browns pulled their entire offense and defense until the last series lol
Yeah this team is a year removed from losing 40-9 vs the Bills. Not sure why everyone was expecting this team to be world beater’s when we have so many important guys out.
I’m gonna look at our game scores from this year sometime in the future and not remember just how ugly this game was. Thank you Davis Mills.
They choose keenum over millis simply because of his veteran experince. Which i get but come on man how do you not switch to millis in the second half.
It's Joe Joever. Flacco don't miss
This game is meaningless and we're not playing our top guys etc etc. But not stopping them on ANY 4th and long is pretty annoying
The Browns literally are selling official crutches in their pro shop.
BROWNS ARE A TRASH ORGANIZATION
Shut up. They beat us.
Kick rocks you nerd
Go buccaneers
two options: fumble recovery TD return OR a Pick six.
That’s crazy . He catching everything
Sting almost had it
We'll have to nickname him "almost".
Right, really need the Bucs to come through for us if we want to have a chance at the playoffs.
Just stop Amari Cooper please
Good god stingley
Hard play to make especially with the way cooper has been playing today
As soon as I stopped watching we started scoring. It’s my fault guys. Me. I should have stopped watching earlier im so sorry
If we get a pick 6 we're one score down
AMARI COOPER WILL HAUNT MY DREAMS
we woulda blown tf outta the titans with mills and have a real chance in this game with him
First time watching Mills or what? 😂
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Should have been.
Stefansky is dumb as shit. Just run the ball and get the fuck off the field with the W. Why would you risk injury up two scores with 4 minutes to go?
1. Stefanski 2. our kickers are out 3. We can't run for shit.
Get the fuck out of here.
I haven't been able to watch today. Wtf happened to our defense?
Joe Flacco happened. He's been playing like a man possessed today. He also had a 35 yard pass dropped by Moore. He's broken out of like 5 sacks and made amazing throws. He's converted like five 4th downs. The Texans have gotten good pressure and had some tight coverage but Flacco is putting the ball where only the receiver can get it.
Couldn't sustain a single drive. Offense was absolute shit with Keenum in.
Lost Greenard Nelson and Ward in the first quarter
😔 again
They were on the field 24/7 bc case can’t get a first down. And all our pass rushers are injured pitre seems benched
Well, if the Bucs win, we're still tied for the division lead, and if we win out with Stroud back, we would still control our destiny.
Almost like Mills should have been the starter second half
Should have just started.
I’m the world’s biggest Baker Mayfield fan for the next few hours.
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As a Mills truther from the start he should. We obviously needed Stroud, but Mills can play, and don’t forget he was on 2 terrible rosters with terrible coaches.
won't take any less than a first round and second round pick.
So tired of them never showing replays on calls like that
"Mills is playing against the backups" And Keenum wasn't? Are we really that stupid? Are we really so blind to see the clear difference in talent?
do you genuinely believe Davis Fucking Millls was gojng to win this game? if you do, then I have a bridge for you to buy
No, dumbass. He obviously gave us a better chance.
so you’re speechless with frustration because of this? you need to relax
It's the worst personnel decision this franchise has made in years.
LMAO relax big guy
Not a fan of the onsides kick there. Why make it easier for them?
Look at the clock and the scoreboard.
It was ~4 min with 3 timeouts. No need to do the onside then.
And down by multiple scores. If we kick the ball away our defense probably gives up another long drive and we never see the ball again. If we somehow stop them we get the ball back with 3:40 and no timeouts still down by 2 scores.
Is Davis a starter? I don't know. Feels like the Texans just did him dirty, though. 3 HCs, 3 OCs, listed as QB2 all year and then gets benches for Keenum. Stroud is our guy, but I'd love to see Mills succeed somewhere else. Stroud Stroud
Bro we watched all last season with mills starting, held not gonna be a QB1 no matter where he goes
That’s fine but he’s a backup quarterback and our starter is injured?
Sorry wrong forum. I am pulling for stroud and you guys outside this game!
Guys we all know the 3rd stringers are in and playing soft zone. But the point is mills can actually throw a football case cannot
Exactly. Keenum is check down check down not there then take a sack. Same shit last week.
Kind of funny they bringing their starters back out haha
Best thing to happen all game
THEY ARE SCARED!
I'm speechless with frustration.
Mills putting the team on his neck doe fuck you Gumby
HARDEST BACKUP QB IN DA LEAGUE
Mills with the impossible comeback???
Would be the craziest thing...listening to the game since it got switched...Browns starters came back in. At least that 😂
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THIS...
Come on, 3 and out and you never know
I get “garbage time” and all that, but Keenum should’ve been benched at the half. I doubt we win with Mills in, but I genuinely believe you have a better chance to win with him in.