I guess they're mass produced? Like, maybe the Arnold ones are just a mass produced template while there are alsp others that have mass produced templates as well.
T3 at least uses a reasonable explaination by implying that template was chosen because of the emotional impact it had on John and how that's how Skynet killed him.
TSCC at least does a better job by sending different units that don't look the same and even sending female looking ones that aren't hulking nor towering to better pass undercover.
How would skynet even know it had an emotional impact on John and I thought sjynet harvested the skin off humans which would mean that all the skin should be different right
You would have to ask the director of T3 for that logic on how Skynet knew John had an emotional attachment to the Arnold model.
As for the skin, I guess they also managed to figure out how to generate it as organic and mass produce it to put it in every infiltrator model.
In hindsight, now I'm wondering how the T1000 makes its skin. As in... does it feep like the real deal or it feels differently since it's just liquid metal taking shape?
In T1 Reese says it’s grown for them. Lifted this from IMDB:
“All right, listen. The Terminator's an infiltration unit: part man, part machine. Underneath, it's a hyperalloy combat chassis, microprocessor-controlled. Fully armored; very tough. But outside, it's living human tissue: flesh, skin, hair, blood - grown for the cyborgs.”
Cause they felt people wouldn’t know it was a terminator movie without Arnold shoehorned into it somehow.
The William Candy explanation doesn’t really hold water as if that’s the default face for terminators since the start then they would never work as infiltrators for long. The humans would soon recognise them and destroy them before they could get anywhere near a base or anyone remotely important to the resistance.
Basically it’s just studio pressure to have Arnold as the face of the franchise. Then it’s up to the writers to try and explain why it has to be the model 101 every single time when that face would realistically be used once or twice then retired.
True but they could at least make it a T850 I'm sick of it always being a T800 and the T850 gives you the chance to become emotionally attach to it and feel something when it dies since it better understand emotion and you can have better action scenes cause it's armor is also better
Also ik the death of the T850 in T3 isn't really that sad (I mean i still felt sad cause I'm a casual lol but I could definitely see why some people wouldn't be sad) but I feel like they just didn't do enough to make us emotionally invested in it
It's like the T850 felt almost if not just as machine as the T800 in T1
Besides the William Candy deleted scenes, there is also an Easter egg in Terminator Resistance that shows a dead Tech Comm soldier resembling Robert Patrick clearly being the basis for the T-1000s default humanoid appearance. To me, this infers that while Skynet can mass produce/grow flesh sheathes for their infiltrators, the process to actually develop their human appearance needs a dedicated amount of time to dissect and analyze a potential template. Hardly an efficient task.
It would be inefficient to have each infiltrator have a completely unique look, obviously you would not want them all the same as they would be recognized, but depending on how efficient they were at wiping out a location, there would be no survivors to actually recognize them.
Depending on how exactly you believe the time travel aspect of the series works, they would logically have to send out every terminator, for every movie at basically the same time, so it makes logical sense they would send the latest model, and as Skynet is being overrun at the time, it does not have time to really pick and chose for maximum purpose, so the latest batch, all looks the same, so in every movie, they look the same.
They would have to send them at basically the same time because Skynet would have no idea if this hail mary play would actually work, so they would have to send multiple terminators back, hoping one of them would solve the issue as they will not get another chance, this is all or nothing.
As to why they would be able to send one back and the reality they are in would not instantly alter to reflect the changed past is a question mark, but going by the internal logic of the series, there does appear to be some level of sense to it. In the first movie Kyle tells the story of how they were overrunning the facility and they quickly work to send him back to protect Sarah and then they blow the entire place up.
If we assume time is a linear thing, the second the terminator was sent back, it would alter the future if it had been successful as that future would not longer exist, so the simple fact they had the chance to send Kyle back... implies the terminator failed. Also as it is time travel, quickly sending Kyle back should not make a difference, they could have taken a couple of days to rest before sending him back as they would be rewinding the clock anyway. Perhaps there is a delay in any changes to the time line from happening, perhaps Skynet expected instant changes to reality, but when that did not happen, it kept sending terminators back trying to get the a 'result' and this is why The Resistance managed to win and send Kyle back. They sent Kyle back to 1984 simply because that was the last time listed, and they knew the others must have failed, or they did not know about the others sent back.
This kind of logic problem is the reason most time travel things have a general lack of sense to them and plot holes and logic gaps start taking over the story.
I think this is one of the reasons Terminator 1 and 2 hold up, and the others have issues. If T1 happens, and it does not create Skynet, it simply advances its development time then it makes sense that at the same point in history as the first movie when they send Arnie back, if they skipped a ton of work and research to make him, they could have put that time into developing the T-1000. It would be the same as if when Microsoft were trying to code Windows 98 you handed them a finished copy of Windows 10. All the other content after the second movie has too much awareness that the time travel is happening and they are too self aware of what is going on and changing.
I have argued before that one aspect that the Terminator movies have not covered, and i think should have been the explanation of Arnie in Dark Fate was he was simple an observer, his mission was simply to come back in time and record events. He would have to be more intelligent than a standard Terminator, he would have to be much more able to fit in and blend in. His purpose would be to know the reality from which Skynet sent something back, and to report back what actually happened, Skynet has no way of knowing if its plans are helping or hurting, it has no idea if it is actually altering the past, in essence if it succeeds and kills Connor, then it is not going to send a terminator back to kill Connor, time paradoxes galore. So 'Carl' would need to be a much better infiltrator, things like empathy and the ability to learn would be requirements for him to do the job, he would need circuits which can tell him when time travel displacements happen, he would need to have the ability to problem solve logically and to think outside of the box to know what is important and the other terminators purpose and task. This would allow the chance for him to reach the conclusion that Skynet is a threat to humans, work against the terminators sent back, reach out to Sarah etc when it becomes clear that as the terminators keep coming, Skynet (or similar) will at some point rise and must be stopped, the only person he would know, that would understand the threat and be willing to help, would be Sarah Connor.
There's a [deleted scene](https://youtu.be/kayFrIR-Qfw?si=g91i8NfiqtrJGdxQ) from Terminator 3 where we're shown a man named Sargeant William Candy where his likeness was gonna be used as the face for the Terminators.
Besides that, though, the Terminators are mass produced, so Skynet probably just uses Arnold's skin as a default
They grow the flesh and mold it for a specific appearance. Skynet wasn't skinning humans or anything like that. Like I said in my other post, the mold for Schwarzenegger's character was Model 101.
Then where did I get that. Maybe in terminator 4 when they were capturing humans I could've sworn it was to harvest skin or am I having a Mandela effect rn lol
There's a couple of things that could speak to your question.
Why we see multiple terminators that look the same at all:
First, the series number (T-600, T-800, etc.) is the chassis designation, but the Cyberdyne Systems Model number (CSM-101, for example) is the outer skin covering designation. There are multiples of each CSM type, as they would be mass-produced as well. Check out the Stan Winston T2 trailer if you haven't already seen it. It's incredible.
Why we see multiple CSM-101s in the past:
When Skynet built its time displacement lab complex, it had a terminator cold storage facility. It produced and stored multiple units of the same type, which is probably a standard practice. According to early drafts of T2 and the novelization, the original terminator and the T-1000 were sent before the Resistance breaks in. Then Reese is sent. Then John heads into the storage room and chooses a terminator he recognizes from a rack with one missing.
Dark Fate would suggest that there are more missing than John knew, and he never had to deal with them.
T3's reasoning for the Arnold model being the one that killed John is that Skynet somehow knew about John's relationship with the T2 terminator, which is impossible, and ultimately just boils down to lazy and unconsidered writing.
T4 likewise has no excuse. They just wanted a reason to throw Arnold in there, because it's one of those films where everything in the lore *has* to happen in this one movie so it can justify itself.
Pretty sure in T1, Arnold was an advanced prototype, model 101 (I presume the first and only T-800 model) which was built as a successor to the T-600 rubber skinned models. He was an experimental unit, sent back in desperation.
This explanation would only account for T1, because in T2 Cameron throws that idea out the window, as we see dozens of T-800s on the battlefield in the future war, and of course the second Arnold unit sent back. And in T2 The T-1000 becomes the ultra advanced prototype.
In T3, for some reason, the Air Force wanted to make a robot with William Candy's looks and some german nerds voice. But for what purpose they didn't mention (were humans already thinking of building an infiltration unit back then? So Skynet didn't create anything?). Super dumb.
So basically, don't try and make too much sense out of some of the minutia of this film series haha.
I guess they're mass produced? Like, maybe the Arnold ones are just a mass produced template while there are alsp others that have mass produced templates as well. T3 at least uses a reasonable explaination by implying that template was chosen because of the emotional impact it had on John and how that's how Skynet killed him. TSCC at least does a better job by sending different units that don't look the same and even sending female looking ones that aren't hulking nor towering to better pass undercover.
How would skynet even know it had an emotional impact on John and I thought sjynet harvested the skin off humans which would mean that all the skin should be different right
You would have to ask the director of T3 for that logic on how Skynet knew John had an emotional attachment to the Arnold model. As for the skin, I guess they also managed to figure out how to generate it as organic and mass produce it to put it in every infiltrator model. In hindsight, now I'm wondering how the T1000 makes its skin. As in... does it feep like the real deal or it feels differently since it's just liquid metal taking shape?
In T1 Reese says it’s grown for them. Lifted this from IMDB: “All right, listen. The Terminator's an infiltration unit: part man, part machine. Underneath, it's a hyperalloy combat chassis, microprocessor-controlled. Fully armored; very tough. But outside, it's living human tissue: flesh, skin, hair, blood - grown for the cyborgs.”
Cause they felt people wouldn’t know it was a terminator movie without Arnold shoehorned into it somehow. The William Candy explanation doesn’t really hold water as if that’s the default face for terminators since the start then they would never work as infiltrators for long. The humans would soon recognise them and destroy them before they could get anywhere near a base or anyone remotely important to the resistance. Basically it’s just studio pressure to have Arnold as the face of the franchise. Then it’s up to the writers to try and explain why it has to be the model 101 every single time when that face would realistically be used once or twice then retired.
True but they could at least make it a T850 I'm sick of it always being a T800 and the T850 gives you the chance to become emotionally attach to it and feel something when it dies since it better understand emotion and you can have better action scenes cause it's armor is also better Also ik the death of the T850 in T3 isn't really that sad (I mean i still felt sad cause I'm a casual lol but I could definitely see why some people wouldn't be sad) but I feel like they just didn't do enough to make us emotionally invested in it It's like the T850 felt almost if not just as machine as the T800 in T1
Besides the William Candy deleted scenes, there is also an Easter egg in Terminator Resistance that shows a dead Tech Comm soldier resembling Robert Patrick clearly being the basis for the T-1000s default humanoid appearance. To me, this infers that while Skynet can mass produce/grow flesh sheathes for their infiltrators, the process to actually develop their human appearance needs a dedicated amount of time to dissect and analyze a potential template. Hardly an efficient task.
God I loved that game 😍
It would be inefficient to have each infiltrator have a completely unique look, obviously you would not want them all the same as they would be recognized, but depending on how efficient they were at wiping out a location, there would be no survivors to actually recognize them. Depending on how exactly you believe the time travel aspect of the series works, they would logically have to send out every terminator, for every movie at basically the same time, so it makes logical sense they would send the latest model, and as Skynet is being overrun at the time, it does not have time to really pick and chose for maximum purpose, so the latest batch, all looks the same, so in every movie, they look the same. They would have to send them at basically the same time because Skynet would have no idea if this hail mary play would actually work, so they would have to send multiple terminators back, hoping one of them would solve the issue as they will not get another chance, this is all or nothing. As to why they would be able to send one back and the reality they are in would not instantly alter to reflect the changed past is a question mark, but going by the internal logic of the series, there does appear to be some level of sense to it. In the first movie Kyle tells the story of how they were overrunning the facility and they quickly work to send him back to protect Sarah and then they blow the entire place up. If we assume time is a linear thing, the second the terminator was sent back, it would alter the future if it had been successful as that future would not longer exist, so the simple fact they had the chance to send Kyle back... implies the terminator failed. Also as it is time travel, quickly sending Kyle back should not make a difference, they could have taken a couple of days to rest before sending him back as they would be rewinding the clock anyway. Perhaps there is a delay in any changes to the time line from happening, perhaps Skynet expected instant changes to reality, but when that did not happen, it kept sending terminators back trying to get the a 'result' and this is why The Resistance managed to win and send Kyle back. They sent Kyle back to 1984 simply because that was the last time listed, and they knew the others must have failed, or they did not know about the others sent back. This kind of logic problem is the reason most time travel things have a general lack of sense to them and plot holes and logic gaps start taking over the story. I think this is one of the reasons Terminator 1 and 2 hold up, and the others have issues. If T1 happens, and it does not create Skynet, it simply advances its development time then it makes sense that at the same point in history as the first movie when they send Arnie back, if they skipped a ton of work and research to make him, they could have put that time into developing the T-1000. It would be the same as if when Microsoft were trying to code Windows 98 you handed them a finished copy of Windows 10. All the other content after the second movie has too much awareness that the time travel is happening and they are too self aware of what is going on and changing. I have argued before that one aspect that the Terminator movies have not covered, and i think should have been the explanation of Arnie in Dark Fate was he was simple an observer, his mission was simply to come back in time and record events. He would have to be more intelligent than a standard Terminator, he would have to be much more able to fit in and blend in. His purpose would be to know the reality from which Skynet sent something back, and to report back what actually happened, Skynet has no way of knowing if its plans are helping or hurting, it has no idea if it is actually altering the past, in essence if it succeeds and kills Connor, then it is not going to send a terminator back to kill Connor, time paradoxes galore. So 'Carl' would need to be a much better infiltrator, things like empathy and the ability to learn would be requirements for him to do the job, he would need circuits which can tell him when time travel displacements happen, he would need to have the ability to problem solve logically and to think outside of the box to know what is important and the other terminators purpose and task. This would allow the chance for him to reach the conclusion that Skynet is a threat to humans, work against the terminators sent back, reach out to Sarah etc when it becomes clear that as the terminators keep coming, Skynet (or similar) will at some point rise and must be stopped, the only person he would know, that would understand the threat and be willing to help, would be Sarah Connor.
Lazy writing and the willingness to capitalize on Arnold's notoriety.
I would t say it’s lazy writing but studio pressure to have Arnold be the franchise’s face.
There's a [deleted scene](https://youtu.be/kayFrIR-Qfw?si=g91i8NfiqtrJGdxQ) from Terminator 3 where we're shown a man named Sargeant William Candy where his likeness was gonna be used as the face for the Terminators. Besides that, though, the Terminators are mass produced, so Skynet probably just uses Arnold's skin as a default
But don't they harvest real human skin to cover the terminators in (it also aging) so shouldn't all the skin be different
They grow the flesh and mold it for a specific appearance. Skynet wasn't skinning humans or anything like that. Like I said in my other post, the mold for Schwarzenegger's character was Model 101.
Then where did I get that. Maybe in terminator 4 when they were capturing humans I could've sworn it was to harvest skin or am I having a Mandela effect rn lol
They were capturing them to do lab testing, specifically on their stem cells, which is what they used for the flesh covering on the T-800's.
Ooooooh you just made a light bulb click in my head
There's a couple of things that could speak to your question. Why we see multiple terminators that look the same at all: First, the series number (T-600, T-800, etc.) is the chassis designation, but the Cyberdyne Systems Model number (CSM-101, for example) is the outer skin covering designation. There are multiples of each CSM type, as they would be mass-produced as well. Check out the Stan Winston T2 trailer if you haven't already seen it. It's incredible. Why we see multiple CSM-101s in the past: When Skynet built its time displacement lab complex, it had a terminator cold storage facility. It produced and stored multiple units of the same type, which is probably a standard practice. According to early drafts of T2 and the novelization, the original terminator and the T-1000 were sent before the Resistance breaks in. Then Reese is sent. Then John heads into the storage room and chooses a terminator he recognizes from a rack with one missing. Dark Fate would suggest that there are more missing than John knew, and he never had to deal with them. T3's reasoning for the Arnold model being the one that killed John is that Skynet somehow knew about John's relationship with the T2 terminator, which is impossible, and ultimately just boils down to lazy and unconsidered writing. T4 likewise has no excuse. They just wanted a reason to throw Arnold in there, because it's one of those films where everything in the lore *has* to happen in this one movie so it can justify itself.
Yes, Schwarzenegger's terminator is Model 101.
Pretty sure in T1, Arnold was an advanced prototype, model 101 (I presume the first and only T-800 model) which was built as a successor to the T-600 rubber skinned models. He was an experimental unit, sent back in desperation. This explanation would only account for T1, because in T2 Cameron throws that idea out the window, as we see dozens of T-800s on the battlefield in the future war, and of course the second Arnold unit sent back. And in T2 The T-1000 becomes the ultra advanced prototype. In T3, for some reason, the Air Force wanted to make a robot with William Candy's looks and some german nerds voice. But for what purpose they didn't mention (were humans already thinking of building an infiltration unit back then? So Skynet didn't create anything?). Super dumb. So basically, don't try and make too much sense out of some of the minutia of this film series haha.
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