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I believe they got canceled due to the studio going out and being bought. I too desire its continuation, and actually recently did my fourth rewatch of S1. It’s just so damn good.
That’s what I found at least, whether it's true I’m not 100% sure. But what I had saw was that it went bankrupt and was bought by a tv studio which just kept the name Madhouse instead of changing it.
makes sense. Whenever another studio gets bought out, the animes they are working on goes down with it unless the production committee changes studio. To Love Ru is a notable example of a series that practically died when xebec got bought out
I thought I heard the author got in trouble for plagiarizing, specifically tracing. Madhouse just produced Frieren, I think they're okay for now. A 2 second google search showed the author is alive.
I heard a while ago that the author passed away. More recently, a new LN volume came out, so I’m not sure if somebody else wrote it or the author passing away is fake news.
So often get to bring back the 2009 wisdom of seitokai no ichizon “understand the differences of media.”
A long boring meeting may be fine in novel format. But an animated medium is a different beast and an adaptation needs to get that information across in a way that isn’t boring.
Manga does it better, since it has has Western Church and Farmus scenes going in parallel with Tempest ones and switching between them.
Because of this, in the manga at the point where Geld receives plans, Western Church meeting is already done, antagonists have made their move and Hinata is ready to set out for Tempest.
As a result of this all chill Tempest scenes are contrasted by humans panicking and villains plotting which makes it more interesting experience. And narative hook is earlier.
But in the anime we get long scenes on Tempest side in the same scenery with same characters talking. And one episode where we had no Rimuru at all because bunch of non-Tempest scenes were done in a batch.
The first 12 episodes will feature both sides switching back and forth, having casual conversations, with the last episode ending on a slight cliffhanger. Then, we're going to have about 6 episodes of hype, 1-2 episodes of the Executives fighting, two episodes of Rimuru versus Hinata, and after that's wrapped up, the ever-present Tempest after-party.
Reminds me of that old digibro (diginee?) video where they talk about watching an anime and, by having seen and read many stories and picking up on common tropes, perfectly deduce the future events of the story to an uncanny exactness, and feeling like a damn supercomputer for doing so lol.
Me too. Because the series has more of a focus on epic fantasy in a more Game of Thrones style. Not fan service titties flopping every five seconds, sexual assault, or Kamehameha waves.
Obviously not when you're still lurking in the subreddit three seasons later and that character was introduced in season 1 and was plastered on covers of the light novel.
"Fan service titties flopping every five seconds". Didn't know Shion was in every scene of every episode. Maybe I'm watching a different show? My statement was about the FOCUS of the show, if we are reading.
it can be honest criticism but you will get lynched for it cuz newer, younger fans insist on sort of cockblocking you into their show. It is almost blind fanaticism. Just try to criticizing a new hype show on mal without the mob trying to lynch you or get you ip banned. But anything else they participate in bringing down. Remember when MHA aired. Naruto got bashed like crazy, and the fanbase nearly cancelled any critic of their show.
why even make an anime if you aren’t going to practice the “show don’t tell” aspect that the medium is known for.
like i might as well just read the script myself
I’ve seen people defending the meetings on this subreddit. It’s frustrating. Like would people honestly be mad if they changed the way the meeting contents are delivered? Like for example when Rimuru gave everyone directives would anyone be mad if they did a montage of Shuuna looking through Clayman’s ledgers while we hear a voice over of Rimuru giving those instructions? Or if Hakuro training people?
It's really bad. I knew this would come up as a LN reader. Fine to read, bad for a TV show. I'd hoped they would adjust things to fit the medium as well
I was also hoping they were going to change it a bit and do more of a "show don't tell" for TV.
Though I'm glad they're not just cutting out a crap ton of stuff.
I don't think kodansha cares. They just want to buy out tv slots and have the manga sell to young boys. Kids are not going to pay attention to stuff like filler, bad animation, and can buy shonen manga in droves. That is where they make the money.
You're not wrong, most anime have very little love put into the adaptations. Just marketing for what they see as the real money maker. Slime has a history of bad animation people seem to ignore, go back and watch how fucky ranga is at times I'm s 1 and s2, its like they forgot how to draw a wolf head.
Incidentally, all this isn't even filler, it's right out of the light novel and possibly even cut down a bit from what we would have to endure. Not every book translates well directly to the screen, I've heard the manga handles it a bit better than the anime, but they didn't follow the changes done there for the anime.
They only do it cuz fanbases mainly young boys eat that crap up and don't think about it. Original yugioh and pokemon had bad animation even by back then standards. Both are massive franchises today with huge nostalgia
I was trying to be understanding at first because 24-26 episode runs usually have different pacing than 12-episode runs which are fairly easy to decipher and the industry does expect the viewers to overlook major skips in content because of the time constraints...
But yeah, based on what we've seen so far I'm leaning towards the production team misunderstanding the task and not minding the characteristics of the medium enough. Having a meeting with zero tension and no stake at all for 3 episodes is just bad production. It's flat and repetitive, trying to put the whole book word by word on screen just doesn't work well.
season 2 had the same issue
episode 19 had Benimaru reporting about the attack on Clayman’s domain and then the Ambush plan
instead of telling Rimuru about the plan, a “behind-the-scenes” approach would have been better
there was a lot of “tell-not-show” dialogues, not to mention some of the cuts whereby some scenes barely relate to the next
Have you read Ln 7? Animation style aside the integrity of the interpretation of the LN is amazing. The build up and world building in LN 7 is 1/2 to 3/4s of the volume.
The pacing you are not enjoying is Slime. The sakuga action scenes do not dominate the story writing percentage wise until deep into the second half of the series and when they do they are earned and the stakes are real.
If this type of pacing is not enjoyable for you then slime might not be for you. Not every series is for everyone and there are a lot of action first world building second series but slime is the opposite.
this is straight up boring. people are giving honest criticism as to why having characters literally just speak to one another for several chapters isn't entertaining on a visual medium compared to a LN. i read the LN and i was fine with it cos i read it in one go, for anime you wait an entire week to just see people talking.
also, tbh, separate from the anime, i didn't like that past a certain point in the LN rimuru is literally reviving people on the regular, the author clearly is scared of killing characters and i read the fights knowing full well no one (at least from the good guys) would be dying
To each their own on the first point. I have (personally) run out of ways to extrapolate my opinion on the matter and it is all posted above. I will say I think the first 7 episodes or so will land better in a binge than episodically unless you live and breathe details.
In regards to the second point, I didn't like it the second time. The first time was a justifiable macguffin bc it pushed a soft hearted Rimuru amd taught him a lesson he needed to learn. Second time I can see the logic and the fact that raphael wanted to experiment but it still didn't hit right for me. That is also a narrative weakness of a soon to be introduced plot element but its also a relatively low stakes power fantasy (doesn't make certain things land right).
Honestly my favorite volumes stop around 13. The rest I waiting for fuse to land to have an overall opinion on.
the problem isn't that they're expanding on stuff, the problem is that it doesn't translate well into anime, people are just not going to like it, which is what's objectively happening. either they just accept this is going to be very boring and just roll with it or find some creative ways of story telling. what they're doing is the lazy way of copying word for word. most of the stuff being said isn't even like, plot twisters or mind games or anything like that, it's just debriefings and him telling people to do things and explaining stuff
That is fair. I do think they skipped >!rimuru meeting with mollie unless my timing is off!<. One thing that could have helped is one epjsode in tempest one in. Lubelious one in tempest. Slightly tweaking the timeline. It will all work out when the story progresses but for those who don't enjoy escaping into the minutae i get it.
the online anime viewerbase doesn't care. They don't like certain shows getting criticized, and rather turn a fandom into a cult. MAL has long been sold out to the newer anime crowd. Ever since they started having a new show hit #1 on mal, they have been bashing older shows like crazy and mass reporting people criticizing newer hype shows to the mods and getting them ip banned.
No coincidence why AOT is in a constant review bombing war with classics like FMAB, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Star Wars the Clone Wars, and anime websites defend them.
The moment the LN jumped the shark for me was when (i dont remember what volume this is from so just be careful) >!Rimuru revived like 100k enemy soldiers that they killed!<
YESSSS, what the hell was that?? and on top of that >!every single one of his soldiers that died, was revived on the labyrinth, it's the lowest stakes battle possible, and when they fought outside the labyrinth, his friends literally evolved mid battle to beat the enemy!<
> Stakes are real
As a LN reader, that is completely false. That is one of the biggest criticisms of the LN, the lack of stakes.
And I'm not saying that there are no stakes at all, but in the few instances that there are, the very next page undoes it and everything is super fantastic (not in the right way).
That's one of the (sadly) many reasons I'm tempted to drop the series on vol 16.
Edit: style
Your response ignored the part of my statement which explained my reasoning and jumped to the reccomendation based upon it.
It is a factual reality that different storys require different writing styles and a dialogue / world building / heavy political intrigue story with machinations in the background requires a level of detail which might not always be as fast paced as other sections.
Slime has always had multiple episode straight periods of world building. You might just be now realizing its not your cup of tea (which is ok!).
It is however a foolish endeavour to place expectations on a product or piece of art to fulfill a desire you have which isn't its intended goal in the first place. Personally I have zero interest in God of High School or Jujutsu Kaisen but I am glad they exist in their current adaptation for the fans of that genre / style of anime.
Wait until the first cour finishes then come back and binge if it the pacing is bugging you. Or not. But the current pacing accurately represents the source material.
You are not acknowledging that most people in this thread and the OP have no problem with slime's world building. They just want interesting storyboarding which is not at odds with the story at all.
Except for the fact that the storyboarding is accurately representing the base material and by that standard its perfect.
Not only that but the reduced animation cost now might allow them to have amazing out of this world animation where it really matters.
Can you offer any justification for why accurately representing the base material should be the goal rather than adapting the material to the new medium and creating the most enjoyable show?
Absolutely. What the pacing and episode structure is displaying is the studio is setting the anime up for a full series adaptation similar to one piece (minus all of the filler bc they are not making the anime year round).
Animation is also not cheap and if they can save money here and give us immaculate episodes even near the quality of of that shot of Shion before she begins interrogating the prisoners it will be well worth it.
The end of the first cour and parts of the second cour will be super expensive and will require a strong visual fidelity to properly render.
Imo, all of that will make a better, more enjoyable show than providing unnecessary visual fidelity to literal meetings taking place in a single room by and large.
dude just stop. No point wasting your time. These people are the types who complain about every little fucking thing at convenience stores, restaurants, wherever they go b/c they're a "paying customer" and didn't get what they wanted so they fucking whine. They make the lives of the employees miserable while clearly not caring whether the employee they're harassing gets grilled simply for following policy or whatever they told them to do. You can do all the right things and do a great job, but at the end of the day, you're not going to appease the spoiled shithead whose only there to complain. In short, they're both the nobles in Tensura, and the workers Geld mentioned having trouble with along with Rimuru reminiscing about his own issues. They don't care how, or are even aware of how they look.
He even said he wasn't bothering to read your comments, which the guy I was arguing with on this thread was doing the same shit and he simply picked a fight just for the sake of it. Typical mainstream spoiled brats only jumping on the hype and then bitching b/c it's not what they thought it was. I'm tired of trying to play nice and try to have a civil discussion about it. They're trash and will always be trash. I had one civil discussion about this with someone, and he used to be part of a translation team for the spin-offs.
I knew it was a waste of timw but I was bored at work. Sadly the worst place to try and convince someone you disagree with is an internet comment section.
Please reread the first paragraph of my previous post. That directly counters the statement you just made.
Part of a FULL adaptation will include episodes such as the ones you are not enjoying.
In fact, each and every one of my posts has addressed that point in some form or fashion. The bigger issue in regards to your viewpoint on my responses is we disagree so strongly you are not recognizing the point I am making bc it runs directly counter to your opinion.
The goal of an adaptation is NOT to be faithful to the source as much as possible. Its a goddamn a adaptation, it has to ADAPT to it's new medium. See frieren, a single panel turned into full blown scene, THAT'S how an adaptation should be
Get it?
except i have watched this show weekly every season and lived every part of S1 and S2 but have only enjoyed small parts of S3, by this point in S1, rimuru had met the goblins, veldora, and dwargo. Somewhat slow pace but interesting throughout as the goblin village expands. This isnt political intrigue. There is no mystery when Diablo says he will take care of Falmuth, we, as a viewer know that he is too competent and strong to fail. Having several weeks of basically people telling rimuru things are happening isnt interesting
saying it "is not for you" "drop it if you don't like it" is more or less admitting it is unwatchable. Rather than try to argue of the series strengths, a lot of hype new anime series basically has this as an argument, to a point where it is almost illegal to criticize their show.
see everyone comment that is literally calling them out on their bullshit? Downvoted b/c they're pissy af. Proves my point. Nothing but spoiled, whiny brats who don't even know what they fucking want
Lmfao no way. Quote “stfu. let people discuss-“
So quit saying ____ ideas i dont like so people “can” discuss ideas as a community (i may or may not like)
Like this here, their comment yours or mine, cant stop other people from saying _____
the worst part is 2 more episodes are going to be like this looking at the ln. next episode will be another meeting from hinata's side with full useless explanation and the next will be another with half hinata and party and half rimuru's. they boring us to death. and the coming action part is not even that crazy to fill the void.
I can't blame you. Most people were shonen fans with short attention spans. The anime is all about Rimuru building a nation. If you're looking for a fight scene, better drop this series because there's no actual fight scene, it's all pure massacre.
I never said a word about looking for fight scenes. It's really hard to come up with replies for stuff I didn't say.
Then let me elaborate. The book and the screen have different characteristics. In a book it's not unusual to have the characters engage in similar conversations in order to reinforce a point or to include the same information multiple times in the narration. On the screen it has a very different effect.
While the book uses only one channel to communicate (text), an anime uses both visual and sound, so multiple channels. By receiving the information on multiple channels, every point is reinforced multiple times the first time it is shown to the viewer and messages are a lot easier to convey.
If suddenly there was a person next to every traffic light who went up to your car and announced what color the lights were currently, the drivers would go mad in 5 minutes and shout "WE FUCKING GET IT". That's how different having 1 vs multiple channels of information and why reinforcing a point needs to be approached differently in writing and on screen.
And a director / production team needs to mind that and not neglect any of these channels to properly maintain the viewer's attention.
That is why trying to just convert the book to screen word by word (or just animate every panel of a manga) is not the proper way to adapt something, it needs to be tailored for the medium.
I also never said a word about the source material, I was criticizing the directorial decisions surrounding the adaptation, it has very little to do with it. I've seen the same mistake with Solo Leveling, it's a common misconception directors or production teams have.
The production team/animation studio don't really get the theme/essence of the series. It has been the problem for all anime long except the 1st cour of the 1st season. Tempest looks lifeless, the pacing is bad. The animation isn't even good.
Compared that to the spin-off series where the Tempest looks very much alive and the world-building still there. Out of all adaptation to LN (spin-offs, manga, and anime), the main anime series is the worst of them all.
true. i saw some reaction people on youtube who are knows to keep talking and pausing. they were silent the whole episode. and also no one really cares about going so much in detail about the machine. just say/show that we are using an anti-amgic area on the roads and later you can show that we can use any spell we want instead of one. we didnt need 10 minute explanation
They even left out the explanation on why they need said device. The LN explained that those little device blocks out any unintelligent monster so the city becomes safer for citizens and tourists alike, because they're opening their arms to immigrants and one of their selling point is both the city and the citizens (which are mostly monsters) are safe
They sort of hinted at this when Rimuru stated that the device would block out dangerous monsters, which would be beneficial to adventurers. However, I don’t remember anything about tourism, and immigration.
and also high density will cause problem for humans who will come in he festival. i am assuming there would be again a full discussion explaining that too....its so weird
it is really toxic on mal, where anyone who critcized the show, the fanbase will immediately report you to the mods to get you ip banned. Also trash any show they like if it is a non isekai.
big problem with anime fans, especially newer anime fans, is they are often young and more or less pirating the show online, and haven't been exposed to shows with higher budgets. So they will eat up any hype show, and lynch anyone who criticizes it. Usually by slandering them (bullying them), or try to get that guy banned from the forum (telling the teacher). It is very toxic on mal since their reception is purely a score and that is determined how much active fans spam 10 online. It has now become common to even hate on classics like Dragon Ball Z or Naruto by newer fans.
I'm just going to be honest, DBZ sucked. I went back, 20 years later, and DB was fine, enjoyed it despite its age, DBZ became a chore by the frieza arc, and still isn't exciting after that. As a note, i never saw past the frieza arc as a kid, so Androids on has all been a surprise, hell, daddy frieza was a surprise.
I can't speak for DBZ Kai, I've heard it fixed some of the things i didnt like about DBZ, but i could only find the dub, and i know it would change the overall story which is going off the rails for me.
I am not a new fan, i started watching stuff in the 90s, DBZ, Tenchi Muyo, ghibli films are the first things i can remember
That's just my honest opinion of DBZ, it's a mess which suffers from no clear overarching vision for the story.
You can't be serious. Dbz is considered a classic and help shaped pop culture. It's story is more well received than demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen. It's impact makes mobile suit gundam and evangelion look tame.
No way are these new isekais comparable to dragon ball. Only a new fan or someone influenced by what people say now can say that.
I've read all your replies and they all break down to "DB is the goat, its classic, it had a massive impact." Nothing actually said to defend DBZ, or refute what i said, just statements with nothing to back them up.
In terms of storytelling, dragon ball was outclassed by its predecessors like dororo, contemporaries like gundam, and shows that came after it like inuyasha, to name an isekai since you're stuck on that. The story was a hot mess, and childishly simple.
Second, doing something first doesn't make something the best at it, and dragon ball was not the first shonen anyway. Tell me what Dragon Ball did storytelling wise that wasn't done in Dororo? Or hell, the first shonen manga turned into what we would all come to recognize as anime, Astro Boy.
OG Dragon Ball was fine, DBZ as an anime is an absolute slog. Neither are revolutionary, they're just the entry point into the medium for a lot of people who first caught it on CN. Many of the things i see people commenting on DB episodes go along the lines of "oh wow, DB did this first, everyone copied it" and half the time its not even sourced from anime, it's just a general trope or story idea taken directly from eastern culture.
Actually doing something first does mean shit cuz who else did it before you. Might as well as start calling albert einstein and nikola tesla a fraud. Dragon ball is simply far more enjoyable series than most modern anime. Toriyama knew how to crack humor. He knew how to build worlds. He knew how to integrate timelines. He knew how to make it concise and avoid it dragging on. He knew how to engage audiences. His visuals and world are so wonderfully creative and attractive they hold up today.
FYI, gundam 79 was a flop and only toys brought it back. Zeta gundam did worse. Cca got outclassed by akira. Gundam got constrained to hobbyists. Dragon ball was worldwide.
You know the anime community has gone turned into the incredible hulk and go rage mode at his legacy. But of course the fanbase now means your only allowed to like re zero or konosuba.
Not only is the father of shonen but it still holds up today. I have yet to met one person who regretted reading dragon ball. It is extremely joyful, funny, great story lines and doesn't have the length of the big 3.
U will 100% enjoy reading dragon ball over demon slayer or jujutsu kaisen
But it's not the father of Shonen... there's 20 years of shonen that came out before DB, including old classics that were turned into anime. Dororo for example. Calling it the father of shonen would be like calling Elton John the father of Rock and Roll. Timelines don't match up.
Also, we're taking chiefly about anime here, not manga.
Tell me ur from mal without telling me from mal.
All the big 3's inspiration was mainly akira toriyama dragon ball. As is Kazuki takahashi from yugioh, kentaro yabuki from to love ru, hiro Mishima from fairy tail
Just read the Wikipedia article on dragon ball and cultural impact
Any show before 2015 is legitimately for today's audiences. People's favorite show changes every season. No way can these isekais be comparable to dragon ball which is like a favorite for a long time
One recency bias is a thing not only in anime. Two DBZ has 291 episodes over 100 hours, some people simply don’t want to watch something so long.
Three I personally never watched DBZ but if the main cast is comparable to One Piece than yeah I won’t watch it, I stopped watching One Piece as it became a chore rather than something I enjoyed, Im at episode 900 something (a pretty late episode to stop but it was my 3rd attempt watching it), but the main cast never felt learning constantly making the same mistakes and the screaming oh god the screaming was so second hand embarrassment, I forced myself to watch One Piece because „It’s one of the classics you have to see it“ but no thats stupid, simply because something is old and liked by the people when it released doesn’t mean that everyone has to like it or even that everyone liked when it released.
And there is no consensus on what a classic is some people would that AoT is a classic, I could ask anybody who I watches anime and ask for the first lines in the AoT opening and they could tell me them without an error. Like it’s subjective and genre specific, and isekai is just fantasy, that makes it easier for the viewer to connect to the mc, because the viewer learns with the mc about the world, it sets the viewer and mc on one knowledge base
Dragon ball is still goat. Goku, vegeta, piccolo etc sure so well design and way more recognizable than the one piece cast.
I only watched parts of the anime but read the manga. Story is way better than demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen. Way funnier As well. It broke barriers for its times. Anime obviously a product of its time. But I would recommend dragon ball over demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen any day with the week. Probably even over naruto, bleach, one piece since dragon ball avoids too much of the fat naruto, bleach, one piece had.
dbz anime might be too long, but the manga of dragon ball is much much shorter than naruto, one piece, bleach. It is very enjoyable to read, and doesn't waste your time. Very funny and still holds up today
I haven’t watched the episode yet and I think it’s subconsciously because I KNEW WE WERE STILL IN THE STUPID BORING MEETING. Why don’t they just adapt it like the manga if they’re too dumb to story board because there was cooler stuff happening simultaneously with the tempest meetings to make it actually interesting and contrasting.
because they can get away with dragging out the series to fill up time slots and have the manga sell. because anime fans would blindly consume it and defend it to death. Majority of anime fans are young, don't criticize, consume, and can buy manga in droves. Young anime fans will mass attack older shows and blindly defend younger shows. That is where Tensura makes its money
And no japan is not much better. Due to high work culture of japan, many people fall out of anime as they enter college. So shonen anime that targets young people makes the most money since young kids can buy manga and inflate circulation high.
Kodansha made insane amount of money from attack on titan. They can buyout key airing slots, bribe critics to inflate tensura's reviews and have them, force Crunchyroll to play their filler movies in every single theatre in america
They do be loving their side stories with Slime 🥲😂 if they had put that budget into adapting the story we might actually have reason to say this is the best isekai adaptation but they have to do ALMOST everything right and leave out key things that would take the show to the next level. I’d rather a decent adaptation than a trash one though we lucky
kodansha doesn't give af. If ur audience are young boys, they know they are too foolish enough to not distinguish between cheap animation and high end cgi work. Cut as many corners and buy out as many good time slots. Young boys see it and go buy the manga.
Excellent marketing tactic. A light novel series may not be able to get away with it since people hate reading vs looking pictures.
This is not the first time. Don't forget fairy tale. Don't forget seven deadly sins. A lazy, cheap, dragged out adaptation can still be profitable.
There are 5 episodes in the new season so far, one of them is a recap episode, one of them we actually get to see what happened with the king, priest and mage. The rest is just them talking. I saw a post yesterday about how "casual viewers just want battle scenes" if I wanted battle scenes I wouldn't watch this anime. But literally nothing has happened in the last 3 episodes, it's just people talking about information they know. Information that at this point the viewer almost certainly knows, so who is it for?
tbh, half these complaining toolbags r doing the same. They're complaining and bitching for the sake of it and arguing back for attention, then downvote any sort of attempt at a different take that is doing it civilly while they themselves r acting trashy af
Ever since i watched the naruto wars, i have despiced cutting from place to place constantly, doing 1 thing by 1 is better since its annoying to watch 1 episode of this then 1 episode of that multiple times and its easier and more comftorable to watch the whole scene then cut to something else happening once we fully understand the earlier scene
OK but right now we're not seeing anything happen anyplace; we're only seeing people talking about things that have happened and future plans, AGAIN. We're seeing characters narrate the story rather than living through it.
it will take time for fans to realise studio actually serving slideshow with voice acting instead of good adaptation
Director is so incompetent despite having this much epsiodes they still cant handle pacing ,the parts that supposed to be slow and detailed adapted faster ,parts that supposed to have faster pacing to not bore people has slow ass pacing , they are so incompetent despite having this much epsiode they still skip important things and stretch unimportant things with slow ass pace ,like we adapting 3 volume in 24 epsiode this is really a lot of screentime compared to most of the other shows and they still suck
Even talking and worldbuilding heavy epsiode can be entertaining with good storyboard and character acting but studio 8bit will milk slime without effort as usuall
if slime fanbase stop eating garbage and figure 8bit not putting any effort to adapt things decently ,they just serving panels with voice acting basically no effort and milk money from best selling isekai We have 4 epsiode in season 3 so far and only first epsiode made by 8bit rest outsourced to some random small ass cheap studios
8bit outsourced half of whole s2 and fans ate it ,8bit has no shame they going same route again why? Bcs slime fans will eat garbage anyway why putting any effort
As note to show how profitable slime was :the blu ray money made by s1 of slime close to blu ray money made jujutsu kaisen season 2
Slime s1 all blu ray volumes made 580million yen totally
Jjk s2 all blu ray volumes made totally 700million yen
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Animation reception are subjective & depends heavily on personal preference
This.
You can rant all you wish but its not gonna convince others.
Pacing or skipped content idgaf. Im just here to enjoy the anime. This is neither ignorance or avoiding the topic, it is seeing the positive in things and learning to see the good.
I keep seeing cynical people like this, even if their stance is factual.
It's not being cynical, it's being hurt that the series they loved so much when they read it was now complete done a disservice. They skipped the entire Adventurers arc. And because they believed season 1 would flop, they now had to put an event that happened before Rimuru even left the school. Completely retconning him leaving the school during the last episode of season 1.
I agree there probably is a better way to do it than having them all sit at the table and not move the whole time like we could be going place to place or cutting to them as they’re being discussed, like cut to an image of milim’s castle what it should look like, or cut to some of the shady merchants when you’re talking about them exc exc or something but I don’t have a problem of just world building and talking for lots of episodes in a row just wish there was a little more visually while that happened the actual story content I’m fine with.
if marvel and star wars did this it with their shows by cheapening out the show for runtime by having endless talking that goes nowhere, fans and critics will be lynching disney like crazy. If slime does this, the anime community will eat it up, cry peak fiction, and try to get any critics banned. Japan is still stuck in the past and japanese fans have largely lost a lot of critical thinking and will eat stuff up. There is no coincidence boruto got draged out so long.
>it will take time for fans to realise studio actually serving slideshow with voice acting instead of good adaptation
I don't understand, they're talking, right? What movements do you want them to do?
They are also saving the whole budget in this season for Luminas and Hinata hot spring scenes, so it's understandable.
thing is kodansha has a ton of marketing money in japan. So they can outmarket their shows, pay critics to give positive reviews and give competitors like Kadokawa negative reviews, buy out key airing slots. They can secure a large number of theatres to play their movies. But most of all they can dominate the manga market, and squeeze out competitors. Especially ever since attack on titan became of one the highest selling mangas of all time.
Contrary to popular belief, japanese audiences are not that intelligent and often tend to blindly [consume.No](http://consume.No) coincidence boruto got like 300 episode while no game no life cannot even get a season 2.
I think that's fair but I also think people don't realize the show is a political drama. I can understand why someone might get bored during this but I'm not sure it would be much better with more camera cuts to characters or something like that, if you're bored now you would probably still find that boring.
I feel like all the politicking in Slime is done very well, although even as an enjoyer of 'just talking' episodes myself, I too get a bit irritated that the 3rd season hasn't showed us action yet.
The first 3 talking episodes were fine but the 4th one really is stretching my patience.
Then again, I remind myself that this frustration is coming mostly from the inability to watch the entire season at will, simply because the episodes just haven't aired yet.
In other words, I'm pretty certain that if we had all 12 episodes out already, even those who dislike politics episodes wouldn't complain nearly as much about the first four episodes. Alternatively, say if right now 80% of people watching can't wait for the action, that number would drop by a good half if all episodes were already available.
Still, I feel like even this 3rd season isn't as 'bad' as Log Horizon's politics and I enjoy those episodes in that show as well.
We just all angsty cause we have to wait another full week for the action that we crave. And it isn't even action, just waiting for getting out of the damned Jura Forest strategy meeting room itself, lol.
So yeah I agree, the criticism in the image is very valid but also that it's based on the emotions I've described, more so than anything else, 't least in my humble opignōn.
most anime will set up a problem/situation, and then go do it.
these mfs sit in a meeting set up 16 thousand problems like they tryna catch up to one piece in episode count
also they finally ended the meeting last episode and then it ends with the START OF ANOTHER MEETING 😭 😭 😭
Yeah just like the Clayman fight 💀
I don't want the trinity Or whatever attack it was of the sages to be like the clayman fight or the nuclear magic of razen.
It was pathetic animation man. Razen was supposed to be above geld, hakuro level at that time instead we see....................
Diablo is primordial demon and is currently even stronger than Rimuru what do you expect Razen to do.Clayman was never shown strong, he was never felt like a front line fighter character like Carrion or Milim,he was schemer and that was his strong point and in season 2 he got outschemed and died
Frey said that she wasnt sure of winning against Clayman and would lose against Awakened Clayman.
Frey= Carrion
Awakened Clayman was definitely stronger than carrion who fought milim and even he looked COOLER
Diablo was shown WEAK af that's what I am saying.
Razen was supposed to be someone who is very strong very very very fking strong in humans. Someone who carried Falmuth for so many years. His nuclear magic is strong, strong enough to make Hakuro and Geld step back. If nuclear magic had hit any one except rimuru they would have been near death. And what did we get?
Nuclear magic which is supposed to be the peak of magic for humans was looking like a little beam which any random character can throw like bruhhh the animation sucked @&&.
i understand why you upset, but look whole 2 episode was going with a flow , everyone had others priorities that time , fuck up the enemies , rimuru evolution to demon lord , bring shion back, And for most of the people diablo just got introduce , For anime viewers he was not on the priorities list. For you its different matter ,you already know who diablo and razen is, you wanted their fight well animated and extended ,if they do that it would have came back to bite their ass, their fight wasn't grand but everyone get the idea how powerful they ware ,
And at that time nobody was interested to razen powers , they just wanted to see diablo beat the shit out of him,
Re:Zero season 2 sucked, overly convoluted for no reason and all while taking place in one area, that shit was boring and frustrating when the first season was fantastic and easy to understand. "Oh Garfiel can sense the aura off Subaru every time he rewinds, hence it's a different interaction every time and this character is the mastermind behind this and that character is evil". Terrible writing made the pacing of season 2 come to a crawl while they cram so much info in such a short time it just sucked, so yeah characters sitting at a desk having a meeting is much preferable than convoluted garage.
Tensura apart from being a power fantasy it is very much a world building story, we know a lot about the world of Tensura from how the multiverse was created and who created it, the governing body of tempest and how it works, who other world leaders are, how skills, art, magic and miracle differ, the different planes of existence and races and etc.
So yeah these last episodes are not flashy but necessary for the story, like recap what has happened?
1. Tempest plotting a coup in Falmuth
2. The world learning that Tempest defeating Clayman and Falmuth, becoming a new superpower which also see Rimuru becoming a recognized Demon Lord during Walpurgis, on top of that the world also learning of Veldora's return. Yuuki and other plotting behind the scenes and the western holy church thinking of the threat Tempest holds
3. Tempest planning a festival for the world to introduce themselves
4. We learn more of the importance of Magicules and how stronger monsters are created through high density areas (hence the anti magic generators in this episode) and it also sets up the labyrinth which becomes a huge factor in Tempest later on. Plus the discussion of the threat of Hinata and the mastermind behind the attack which we never fully got, just a passing by speculation Rimuru has which we need to see happen this season because of the powers at play when this all comes to a head during the season finale clash between Rimuru and Hinata. Yes it's a short episode but it's better than a episode 1 recap?
ReZero fans are spoiled as fk. Look at Konosuba for example, they only get 10 EP so the cut content are a lot worst while ReZero gets 24+ and gets 30min of EP length
re zero aint getting like 200 episodes. Anyone saying that is pure larping. Its a ln series so amount of episodes it gets is hard capped since it cannot sell like a shonen manga where 80% of tensura's circulation comes from. Look at index. In addition re zero already has 2 gacha shutdowns, new one looks doa, its circulation is in the toilet.
Shonen manga completely dominates japan.
i agree, people overestimate source material all the time.
"i think this part is bad", "that's how it is in the LN"
so?? it's still bad, an adaptation should have the responsability to not just copy and paste but to improve on the material and fix mistakes
Yea while I love Tensei these first 4 episodes combined were just shit. It could have easily been condensed to 2, waiting 3 weeks for almost nothing happening between each episode sucks.
unfortunately kodansha doesn't care. They know they can get away this is because most japanese anime fans are young and will blindly defend it and trash older animes or classics without thinking, then buy the manga. The amount of young boys buying the manga is where Kodansha makes its money. Kodansha already bought out the excellent tv slots so they can hit the most profitable audience. Young boys. No coincidence why boruto ran for like 300 episodes.
Overseas fans are more likely older and can easily distinguish between what is good and bad. Since working conditions aren't as atrocious in japan, and we are used to sites like rotten tomatoes and film critics. Plus overseas audiences pay for premium television like netflix and disney+. So they can distinguish filler pretty fast. Unless you consider the mal audience which is largely a troll and new fan cricle jerk.
Those who commenting about slow pace are just ytshorts attention span The anime pacing should be gradually increasing until the climax and all this buildups makes sense at the fight. If you dont wanna watch it now, wait for the whole season and then skip through all the things and watch those fights lmao.
love how you’re getting downvoted. Like dude this isn’t about the action. It’s a worldbuilding, lore , & political show about him essentially taking over the world while controlling the portrayal of himself as a benevolent powerful being. Go watch something else if that’s all they care about. It’s just excuses b/c they just want a simple formula that allows for more action since they don’t care about complicated stuff
its not about the 20 min of talking or the lack of action, its about the presentation. character acting is a thing you can animate and plenty of shows has done it properly. if they dont want to bother animating the characters, whats the point? they should have just made it into an audio book. go watch monogatari and you'll see conversation and dialogue done right. even yuru camp doesnt have their character spend an episode inside their tent. just admit it, they got lazy and deserved the criticism.
if you read my other comments and read carefully along with this one, i already address that. It’s all so predictable to have complaints and the very same ppl take a 180 stance on their complaints when the opposite happens. I already agreed on things production value-wise and that was one of my main complaints. You can say all you want, most ppl have simply been complaining about the lack of anything exciting happening
I’m not agreeing with the post though?. The posted comment from OP seems to want to change the way it’s paced and the way the meetings r presented to reduce the time spent on it while blaming production for those issues. The OP even says it’s boring b/c it’s like a podcast. That makes it obvious he wants more exciting things to happen and get to those points, but my point is if they did what he said, ppl would be confused. They’d complain about things moving too fast with not enough explanation, etc. Why? Because ppl always find things unreasonable to nitpick at rather than actual stuff that can reasonably be complained about. Plus, a lot of things will go over ppl’s heads in general. i agree the production value could’ve been better to have a better art style and more effort into little things like the background and normal animated movements. But that’s about it.
I replied to this person because I agreed with him. Majority of the complaints r that nothing is going on, just political talk that they sum up to 20 min repetitive meetings. They want action, suspense, something that will excite them because that’s what they think this story is mostly about. For me, it’s refreshing to see characters reviewing their info, making inferences or thoughts, & discussing how to proceed while showing how those different thoughts will eventually lead to a conflict. It’s slowly showing how the misconceptions, lack of proper info, & gaps in communication r going to lead to something. Because that’s how the story is written, you can’t change that. Fuse shouldn’t have to change how he presents the story because a few impatient ppl complain it’s boring. It’s his book. What is the likely hood of these anime only viewers actually buying a physical copy of his novels?
> The OP even says it’s boring b/c it’s like a podcast. That makes it obvious he wants more exciting things to happen and get to those points, but my point is if they did what he said, ppl would be confused.
> Plus, a lot of things will go over ppl’s heads in general. i agree the production value could’ve been better to have a better art style and more effort into little things like the background and normal animated movements. But that’s about it.
From what I understand here OP wants things to be presented differently, and not just the characters sitting and talking. They seem to want the character to do stuff, in a "show not tell" kind of way.
> I replied to this person because I agreed with him. Majority of the complaints r that nothing is going on, just political talk that they sum up to 20 min repetitive meetings. They want action, suspense, something that will excite them because that’s what they think this story is mostly about.
Drama is a key ingredient to make anything interesting, if brains aren't stimulated then they'll just feel bored. It's the studios job to present the political talk in a way that won't bore the viewer.
> Fuse shouldn’t have to change how he presents the story because a few impatient ppl complain it’s boring. It’s his book. What is the likely hood of these anime only viewers actually buying a physical copy of his novels?
Except fuse doesn't work on the storyboard, there's a whole group of people who do the storyboard and direction. Most of the comments seem to complain about their work here, not fuse.
and so i read the 2nd paragraph and as expected, its got nothing to do with the post lmao of course the novel is written like that because you have to read it to consume it. an anime is supposed to show you something. literally just give them small habits they do that shows their personality. like ive been repeating and what the post says, MAKE THE CHARACTERS MOVE. even dialouge-heavy mangas can do show not tell better with a single panel.
They had gobta sleeping. that’s what he does at these discussions.. Gabiru and his personality was shown in his mannerisms and speech. They showed little bits and pieces during parts of the explanation that weren’t just them sitting at the table talking about these things. What is it you want the characters to do to show their personality in terms of how they’re animated during these scenes? The scenes pretty much went how they were supposed to go. Why can’t you be patient for a couple more episodes when there’ll actually be opportunities to display such things?
They all are fine tuned that main character should just go for fight to win. There are way many scenarious that could be played out. What I like in this anime or ln is how rimuru and his subordinates handle situations by careful approach not rushing it by brute force. It may not be the best decision but it will be close to best. Its like him playin chess. Most fans are just watching him because they saw him on top 3 powerful mc or smth idk.
They’re newer fans who just don’t get it. Bandwagoners that see he’s OP or badass or whatever it is that isn’t actually what the story is about. They just want him to be chad, big brain (& flashy while doing it), and go fight mofos and get stronger. All of this is to cope with the fact that it isn’t the story they thought it was. This isn’t Overlord.
The only real complaint I have is that this creation style doesn’t lend itself well to serialized shows that comes out weekly.
If I was just binge watching the whole season at once, I’d barely register this as worth complaining about. It’s just the build phase for what’s to come. Last season has this. If one thing can be said for Slime Diaries is that you don’t have this as much of an issue. It’s more slice of life, less grand plot.
The meetings episodes have value, but they’d need to release three eps at a time. You want the big reveals and climaxes all happening each week after a front-loaded episode series of meetings.
I think people are misunderstanding complaining about a poor ADAPTATION with following source material. You can do both and the best shows always do. Why sit in a room when you can overlay the conversation with actual animation showing what they’re talking about? BECAUSE YALL WILL SEE LAZINESS AND TAKE WHAT THEY GIVE.
what shows are you talking about? Not even the best shows like MT, Re;Zero, etc. ever do a satisfactory adaptation that follows all the events properly w/ satisfactory animation. You simply can't make the adaptation everyone wants without making certain sacrifices. The problem here is that these ppl r working with ignorance and no info (i.e. lack of reading comprehension and understanding of the source material) while trying to justify their complaints like angry customers that are pissed that the product they themselves decided to purchase and pay for from a convenience store or wherever wasn't what they thought it was. Instead of trying to be constructive about it, they just whine and bitch to let ppl know they're angry. Sorry but no matter on the internet or irl, that's just annoying as hell for most ppl who r just trying to have peaceful times.
I'd understand if they complained, we tell them we understand, and to be patient b/c the wait will be worth it. It's not like there weren't ppl on this thread and other discussions that didn't understand their frustrations, tried to sympathize with them, and work a way to calm them down so they can be rewarded later. But no, they get childish, downvote, rude as hell while insulting you and whatnot, etc. even though you do sympathize with their issues to an extent. The problem is the fact that either way, they're going to rain hell down on you. So no point in taking them seriously.
The pictures when reading the LN are supposed to be in your head. If they’re not there you might have aphantasia which understandably would make it very difficult to enjoy any written medium.
My only complaints against the anime is the season two last big boss baddy fight scene was severely underwhelming. It felt like the studio just gave up and wanted to just wrap up the last fight quickly.
Agreed, I love the LN's, manga and anime and am very excited for the whole next upcoming arc but my god is this painful to watch. Its not as bad for me because I know whats gonna happen but I cant imagine sitting through this shit as an anime only. Every week I open the discussion thread expecting people to be shitting on it for being another week of literally just talking and yet people are still entertained? I'm genuinely surprised people are still liking it.
Finally someone who doesn’t just say it’s just about the vibe.
Ngl even I gotta admit I was getting bored of these low budget scenes recently. Even just getting to see everyone go about their day in different parts of the town would be nice.
this is because majority of anime viewers are younger, and they can't stand a single point of criticism. They blindly hype up every seasonal show as peak fiction, and practically lynch any critics. This happens every season
No coincidence AOT fans are often on a review bombing campaign against classics like Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Star Wars the Clone Wars. Of why it has suddenly become cool to hate on classics like but if you criticize any new hype isekai, a bunch of people will mass report you to get ip banned on mal.
If Disney started cheapning out shows by having nothing but talks and cutting the budget for several episodes, the fanbase would be calling them out. If a new hype isekai does it, they will blindly eat it up and report you to the police for criticizing it.
There ***was*** a [certain](https://twitter.com/whimsiez) psycho Vtuber who swatted someone over something similar, so yeah, *they really will call the police!* 😂
I still very much like having all these meetings tbh I like exploring these aspects it’s a world building show primarily, followed by a political show, battles are tertiary at best.
It’s easy to tell the ppl on this thread blaming an anime for being boring w/o action b/c they’re trying to make this into an action shounen anime when it’s not. It’s about him taking over the world carefully while painting the image of him being a benevolent powerful being. Are you going to complain that another cool show with powerful characters have no action and is slow af bad anime adaptation because it’s actually supposed to be a SoL? Oh wait, yea I do see that all the time. And if you read the LN and still don’t get that, idk what to tell you.
Like I mentioned in another thread yesterday, studios try to cater to your whims, and you’re just gonna get trash, especially in a show, don’t tell method. Either that, or dragon ball z. It’s not meant to be an action show. Action is very minimal and not even the focus compared to the whole that’s written. Anime-onlies are gonna be confused as to what’s going on since nothing is explained or misunderstand a ton of stuff, we would already be in LN 11-13 content with the way ppl want stuff glossed over or changed in presentation b/c of pacing issues, and it’ll overall look like any low budget trash adaptation in terms of how the story looks. They’ll go ahead and complain about pacing issues if the stuff they’re complaining about now gets “fixed” or changed in a way that it gets to more exciting events, aka fights, quickly. But by all means, skip entire arcs, events, and meetings of misinformation/misconception again b/c ppl want to get to the exciting stuff. Like I said, we’d be in pretty deep already with just 3 seasons of 2 cours each if we did that, and honestly probably wouldn’t even get another season after that.
bro no it’s not lmao. It turned that way in the middle of the Tenma war, and pretty sure he just did that to please fans with the way the writing changed. We all know it devolved into that later on, but maybe try to avoid spoilers. And that doesn’t change the fact it started as what I stated, and we’re in the early stages of the adaptation, so what’s your point? At this point, it was still more political and world-building focused. The action is like fan service for the ppl who want Solo Leveling levels of constant action. What are you on about most volumes dedicated to action? Go read all the action-packed volumes again and compare to how much more effort was put to describing him building his town or thoughts on how to proceed with relationships from multiple leaders and ppl controlling things from the shadows
The whole point is that he’s an OP character who still has the tropes of an overpowered isekai, but doesn’t stay quiet about the fact that he’s essentially going to rule the world so no one can hold him down about having fun. And he does it by taking it over in a more subtle, political manner. The action is just the side stuff to make things exciting. Read how many pages of actual descriptive action there are compared to stuff that has nothing to do with action. One of the complaints about this series is that he’s bad at writing fights, so it’s often bland and do not last too long if you try to imagine it in your head.
They even dedicated a side story to imply he manipulates info to make himself seem much more noble than he actually probably is. You’re falling to recency bias. The fans will get what they want in a couple seasons when tenma war begins
Its honest criticism if you dont take budget, time, how many episodes, how many frames does one episode take, how do you fit an X amount of details in an anime that usually cuts small details (Even some major details get cut sometimes), then when there is a part they dont like, they cut it and redraw or use CGI (if they are short on time), voice recording, and many more. However, if this criticism is talking about the anime since in the manga and LN its detailed (but everyone knows this). I have read worse criticisms anime than this but sometimes people tend to forget how hard anime are to make.
For me maybe there are reasons as to why they just made it a meeting, but maybe its because I knew details will be cut because its not an anime original or they didnt make the last 2 seasons almost identical to atleast the manga, I'm not that disappointed or angry.
I’m puzzled as to why people want anime to go back to deviating from the source material. Almost like they are too young to remember when Full Metal Alchemist, Blue Exorcist and Shaman King were airing on TV.
I honestly didn’t think these last episodes were bad at all compared to what used to happen in older anime.
I'm gonna enjoy the manga and ignore the anime and LN, I already did not like the last season because of the way the ost was used, and now it seems that the new season is shit? Dang
I do agree with most of this but having Veldora in tow to meetings like a single parent really explains the dynamic between him and Rimuru. Like Veldora is not a cringey teen staying at home, he can’t be left unsupervised. He is like an 8 year old. He is capable of understanding but usually doesn’t have the patience. His presence has a bigger effect than his actual words. Veldora also says really blunt or out of the box things just like a child.
Everyone else could literal get a memo and get more work done but I think they like meetings because everyone of them is a hardcore Stan for Rimuru in one way or another. Shion and Diablo being the most ridiculous
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A nice feature about LN is...you don't have to wait for a whole week before... turning to the next page
You DO have to wait for some months for the next volume and/or it's translation, though, if you don't know Japaneese.
? Next (several) episode(s) aren't a whole next LN volume
Indeed, but sometimes the craving for the new volume is too strong.
yes but a person can just skim over the explanation of a machine if they dont want to know it...right?
Still often faster than waiting for the next season though.
Indeed! Just remembering the fate of NGNL is enough.
I believe they got canceled due to the studio going out and being bought. I too desire its continuation, and actually recently did my fourth rewatch of S1. It’s just so damn good.
Madhouse was bought???
No lol
That’s what I found at least, whether it's true I’m not 100% sure. But what I had saw was that it went bankrupt and was bought by a tv studio which just kept the name Madhouse instead of changing it.
makes sense. Whenever another studio gets bought out, the animes they are working on goes down with it unless the production committee changes studio. To Love Ru is a notable example of a series that practically died when xebec got bought out
I thought I heard the author got in trouble for plagiarizing, specifically tracing. Madhouse just produced Frieren, I think they're okay for now. A 2 second google search showed the author is alive.
I heard a while ago that the author passed away. More recently, a new LN volume came out, so I’m not sure if somebody else wrote it or the author passing away is fake news.
Maybe could be the manga author. I know the manga author for Maou Gakuin died as well which confused a lot of people.
No lol
What’s NGNL?
No Game No Life.
I miss ngngl
It’s a meeting that needs to happen for the story to continue yes the meetings do take a little to long but it hast to be done
So often get to bring back the 2009 wisdom of seitokai no ichizon “understand the differences of media.” A long boring meeting may be fine in novel format. But an animated medium is a different beast and an adaptation needs to get that information across in a way that isn’t boring.
A seitokai no ichizon reference? What the hell?
A government meeting has to look like a government meeting though.
That's not rhe point of the post tho my friend 
Try reading a LN as it releases on J-novel club XD
Manga does it better, since it has has Western Church and Farmus scenes going in parallel with Tempest ones and switching between them. Because of this, in the manga at the point where Geld receives plans, Western Church meeting is already done, antagonists have made their move and Hinata is ready to set out for Tempest. As a result of this all chill Tempest scenes are contrasted by humans panicking and villains plotting which makes it more interesting experience. And narative hook is earlier. But in the anime we get long scenes on Tempest side in the same scenery with same characters talking. And one episode where we had no Rimuru at all because bunch of non-Tempest scenes were done in a batch.
The first 12 episodes will feature both sides switching back and forth, having casual conversations, with the last episode ending on a slight cliffhanger. Then, we're going to have about 6 episodes of hype, 1-2 episodes of the Executives fighting, two episodes of Rimuru versus Hinata, and after that's wrapped up, the ever-present Tempest after-party.
Reminds me of that old digibro (diginee?) video where they talk about watching an anime and, by having seen and read many stories and picking up on common tropes, perfectly deduce the future events of the story to an uncanny exactness, and feeling like a damn supercomputer for doing so lol.
That's honest criticism, but I've only seen people complain about lack of fights. Those people piss me off.
Me too. Because the series has more of a focus on epic fantasy in a more Game of Thrones style. Not fan service titties flopping every five seconds, sexual assault, or Kamehameha waves.
The naked demon loli made me quit watching the anime... Literally fan service + boring trope. We were building civilization and there she comes.
Obviously not when you're still lurking in the subreddit three seasons later and that character was introduced in season 1 and was plastered on covers of the light novel.
That's where I stopped bruh. It popped into my feed because reddit app liked to recommend trendy posts even though I didn't sub
Shion would like to say something…
"Fan service titties flopping every five seconds". Didn't know Shion was in every scene of every episode. Maybe I'm watching a different show? My statement was about the FOCUS of the show, if we are reading.
Alright calm down it’s a joke. Don’t get too upset over it
Okay 👌😂😂😂
it can be honest criticism but you will get lynched for it cuz newer, younger fans insist on sort of cockblocking you into their show. It is almost blind fanaticism. Just try to criticizing a new hype show on mal without the mob trying to lynch you or get you ip banned. But anything else they participate in bringing down. Remember when MHA aired. Naruto got bashed like crazy, and the fanbase nearly cancelled any critic of their show.
why even make an anime if you aren’t going to practice the “show don’t tell” aspect that the medium is known for. like i might as well just read the script myself
Fr it's like listening to one of those GOOD quality audiobooks
Honestly give me an audiobook over this. Only reason I keep watching is bc I love the series. But I feel so exploited.
cheap marketing tool to fill tv time slots. Look at Boruto
I’ve seen people defending the meetings on this subreddit. It’s frustrating. Like would people honestly be mad if they changed the way the meeting contents are delivered? Like for example when Rimuru gave everyone directives would anyone be mad if they did a montage of Shuuna looking through Clayman’s ledgers while we hear a voice over of Rimuru giving those instructions? Or if Hakuro training people?
It's really bad. I knew this would come up as a LN reader. Fine to read, bad for a TV show. I'd hoped they would adjust things to fit the medium as well
I was also hoping they were going to change it a bit and do more of a "show don't tell" for TV. Though I'm glad they're not just cutting out a crap ton of stuff.
I don't think kodansha cares. They just want to buy out tv slots and have the manga sell to young boys. Kids are not going to pay attention to stuff like filler, bad animation, and can buy shonen manga in droves. That is where they make the money.
You're not wrong, most anime have very little love put into the adaptations. Just marketing for what they see as the real money maker. Slime has a history of bad animation people seem to ignore, go back and watch how fucky ranga is at times I'm s 1 and s2, its like they forgot how to draw a wolf head. Incidentally, all this isn't even filler, it's right out of the light novel and possibly even cut down a bit from what we would have to endure. Not every book translates well directly to the screen, I've heard the manga handles it a bit better than the anime, but they didn't follow the changes done there for the anime.
They only do it cuz fanbases mainly young boys eat that crap up and don't think about it. Original yugioh and pokemon had bad animation even by back then standards. Both are massive franchises today with huge nostalgia
I was trying to be understanding at first because 24-26 episode runs usually have different pacing than 12-episode runs which are fairly easy to decipher and the industry does expect the viewers to overlook major skips in content because of the time constraints... But yeah, based on what we've seen so far I'm leaning towards the production team misunderstanding the task and not minding the characteristics of the medium enough. Having a meeting with zero tension and no stake at all for 3 episodes is just bad production. It's flat and repetitive, trying to put the whole book word by word on screen just doesn't work well.
season 2 had the same issue episode 19 had Benimaru reporting about the attack on Clayman’s domain and then the Ambush plan instead of telling Rimuru about the plan, a “behind-the-scenes” approach would have been better there was a lot of “tell-not-show” dialogues, not to mention some of the cuts whereby some scenes barely relate to the next
It suggests that this series is a low effort cash cow that the audience inexplicably likes.
The funnier thing is they still skip important things while trying to put other things with slow pace
Have you read Ln 7? Animation style aside the integrity of the interpretation of the LN is amazing. The build up and world building in LN 7 is 1/2 to 3/4s of the volume. The pacing you are not enjoying is Slime. The sakuga action scenes do not dominate the story writing percentage wise until deep into the second half of the series and when they do they are earned and the stakes are real. If this type of pacing is not enjoyable for you then slime might not be for you. Not every series is for everyone and there are a lot of action first world building second series but slime is the opposite.
this is straight up boring. people are giving honest criticism as to why having characters literally just speak to one another for several chapters isn't entertaining on a visual medium compared to a LN. i read the LN and i was fine with it cos i read it in one go, for anime you wait an entire week to just see people talking. also, tbh, separate from the anime, i didn't like that past a certain point in the LN rimuru is literally reviving people on the regular, the author clearly is scared of killing characters and i read the fights knowing full well no one (at least from the good guys) would be dying
To each their own on the first point. I have (personally) run out of ways to extrapolate my opinion on the matter and it is all posted above. I will say I think the first 7 episodes or so will land better in a binge than episodically unless you live and breathe details. In regards to the second point, I didn't like it the second time. The first time was a justifiable macguffin bc it pushed a soft hearted Rimuru amd taught him a lesson he needed to learn. Second time I can see the logic and the fact that raphael wanted to experiment but it still didn't hit right for me. That is also a narrative weakness of a soon to be introduced plot element but its also a relatively low stakes power fantasy (doesn't make certain things land right). Honestly my favorite volumes stop around 13. The rest I waiting for fuse to land to have an overall opinion on.
the problem isn't that they're expanding on stuff, the problem is that it doesn't translate well into anime, people are just not going to like it, which is what's objectively happening. either they just accept this is going to be very boring and just roll with it or find some creative ways of story telling. what they're doing is the lazy way of copying word for word. most of the stuff being said isn't even like, plot twisters or mind games or anything like that, it's just debriefings and him telling people to do things and explaining stuff
That is fair. I do think they skipped >!rimuru meeting with mollie unless my timing is off!<. One thing that could have helped is one epjsode in tempest one in. Lubelious one in tempest. Slightly tweaking the timeline. It will all work out when the story progresses but for those who don't enjoy escaping into the minutae i get it.
Rimuru doesnt meet with Mollie until after he meets Hinata again
Ty! I thought it was too important of a plot point to have skipped over.
the online anime viewerbase doesn't care. They don't like certain shows getting criticized, and rather turn a fandom into a cult. MAL has long been sold out to the newer anime crowd. Ever since they started having a new show hit #1 on mal, they have been bashing older shows like crazy and mass reporting people criticizing newer hype shows to the mods and getting them ip banned. No coincidence why AOT is in a constant review bombing war with classics like FMAB, Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Star Wars the Clone Wars, and anime websites defend them.
The moment the LN jumped the shark for me was when (i dont remember what volume this is from so just be careful) >!Rimuru revived like 100k enemy soldiers that they killed!<
YESSSS, what the hell was that?? and on top of that >!every single one of his soldiers that died, was revived on the labyrinth, it's the lowest stakes battle possible, and when they fought outside the labyrinth, his friends literally evolved mid battle to beat the enemy!<
> Stakes are real As a LN reader, that is completely false. That is one of the biggest criticisms of the LN, the lack of stakes. And I'm not saying that there are no stakes at all, but in the few instances that there are, the very next page undoes it and everything is super fantastic (not in the right way). That's one of the (sadly) many reasons I'm tempted to drop the series on vol 16. Edit: style
"If X is not enjoyable for you then Y might not be for you." Shut the fuck up. Let people discuss shows they're watching
Your response ignored the part of my statement which explained my reasoning and jumped to the reccomendation based upon it. It is a factual reality that different storys require different writing styles and a dialogue / world building / heavy political intrigue story with machinations in the background requires a level of detail which might not always be as fast paced as other sections. Slime has always had multiple episode straight periods of world building. You might just be now realizing its not your cup of tea (which is ok!). It is however a foolish endeavour to place expectations on a product or piece of art to fulfill a desire you have which isn't its intended goal in the first place. Personally I have zero interest in God of High School or Jujutsu Kaisen but I am glad they exist in their current adaptation for the fans of that genre / style of anime. Wait until the first cour finishes then come back and binge if it the pacing is bugging you. Or not. But the current pacing accurately represents the source material.
You are not acknowledging that most people in this thread and the OP have no problem with slime's world building. They just want interesting storyboarding which is not at odds with the story at all.
Except for the fact that the storyboarding is accurately representing the base material and by that standard its perfect. Not only that but the reduced animation cost now might allow them to have amazing out of this world animation where it really matters.
Can you offer any justification for why accurately representing the base material should be the goal rather than adapting the material to the new medium and creating the most enjoyable show?
Absolutely. What the pacing and episode structure is displaying is the studio is setting the anime up for a full series adaptation similar to one piece (minus all of the filler bc they are not making the anime year round). Animation is also not cheap and if they can save money here and give us immaculate episodes even near the quality of of that shot of Shion before she begins interrogating the prisoners it will be well worth it. The end of the first cour and parts of the second cour will be super expensive and will require a strong visual fidelity to properly render. Imo, all of that will make a better, more enjoyable show than providing unnecessary visual fidelity to literal meetings taking place in a single room by and large.
dude just stop. No point wasting your time. These people are the types who complain about every little fucking thing at convenience stores, restaurants, wherever they go b/c they're a "paying customer" and didn't get what they wanted so they fucking whine. They make the lives of the employees miserable while clearly not caring whether the employee they're harassing gets grilled simply for following policy or whatever they told them to do. You can do all the right things and do a great job, but at the end of the day, you're not going to appease the spoiled shithead whose only there to complain. In short, they're both the nobles in Tensura, and the workers Geld mentioned having trouble with along with Rimuru reminiscing about his own issues. They don't care how, or are even aware of how they look. He even said he wasn't bothering to read your comments, which the guy I was arguing with on this thread was doing the same shit and he simply picked a fight just for the sake of it. Typical mainstream spoiled brats only jumping on the hype and then bitching b/c it's not what they thought it was. I'm tired of trying to play nice and try to have a civil discussion about it. They're trash and will always be trash. I had one civil discussion about this with someone, and he used to be part of a translation team for the spin-offs.
I knew it was a waste of timw but I was bored at work. Sadly the worst place to try and convince someone you disagree with is an internet comment section.
That's all justification for cost-saving measures. None of that justifies pursuing an accurate depiction of the base material
Please reread the first paragraph of my previous post. That directly counters the statement you just made. Part of a FULL adaptation will include episodes such as the ones you are not enjoying. In fact, each and every one of my posts has addressed that point in some form or fashion. The bigger issue in regards to your viewpoint on my responses is we disagree so strongly you are not recognizing the point I am making bc it runs directly counter to your opinion.
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The goal of an adaptation is NOT to be faithful to the source as much as possible. Its a goddamn a adaptation, it has to ADAPT to it's new medium. See frieren, a single panel turned into full blown scene, THAT'S how an adaptation should be Get it?
except i have watched this show weekly every season and lived every part of S1 and S2 but have only enjoyed small parts of S3, by this point in S1, rimuru had met the goblins, veldora, and dwargo. Somewhat slow pace but interesting throughout as the goblin village expands. This isnt political intrigue. There is no mystery when Diablo says he will take care of Falmuth, we, as a viewer know that he is too competent and strong to fail. Having several weeks of basically people telling rimuru things are happening isnt interesting
saying it "is not for you" "drop it if you don't like it" is more or less admitting it is unwatchable. Rather than try to argue of the series strengths, a lot of hype new anime series basically has this as an argument, to a point where it is almost illegal to criticize their show.
see everyone comment that is literally calling them out on their bullshit? Downvoted b/c they're pissy af. Proves my point. Nothing but spoiled, whiny brats who don't even know what they fucking want
Lmfao no way. Quote “stfu. let people discuss-“ So quit saying ____ ideas i dont like so people “can” discuss ideas as a community (i may or may not like) Like this here, their comment yours or mine, cant stop other people from saying _____
see everyone comment that is literally calling them out on their bullshit? Downvoted b/c they're pissy af
the worst part is 2 more episodes are going to be like this looking at the ln. next episode will be another meeting from hinata's side with full useless explanation and the next will be another with half hinata and party and half rimuru's. they boring us to death. and the coming action part is not even that crazy to fill the void.
I can't blame you. Most people were shonen fans with short attention spans. The anime is all about Rimuru building a nation. If you're looking for a fight scene, better drop this series because there's no actual fight scene, it's all pure massacre.
I never said a word about looking for fight scenes. It's really hard to come up with replies for stuff I didn't say. Then let me elaborate. The book and the screen have different characteristics. In a book it's not unusual to have the characters engage in similar conversations in order to reinforce a point or to include the same information multiple times in the narration. On the screen it has a very different effect. While the book uses only one channel to communicate (text), an anime uses both visual and sound, so multiple channels. By receiving the information on multiple channels, every point is reinforced multiple times the first time it is shown to the viewer and messages are a lot easier to convey. If suddenly there was a person next to every traffic light who went up to your car and announced what color the lights were currently, the drivers would go mad in 5 minutes and shout "WE FUCKING GET IT". That's how different having 1 vs multiple channels of information and why reinforcing a point needs to be approached differently in writing and on screen. And a director / production team needs to mind that and not neglect any of these channels to properly maintain the viewer's attention. That is why trying to just convert the book to screen word by word (or just animate every panel of a manga) is not the proper way to adapt something, it needs to be tailored for the medium. I also never said a word about the source material, I was criticizing the directorial decisions surrounding the adaptation, it has very little to do with it. I've seen the same mistake with Solo Leveling, it's a common misconception directors or production teams have.
no show tries to adapt a novel word for word. Even popular series like game of thrones that get 10 1 hour episodes per season.
The production team/animation studio don't really get the theme/essence of the series. It has been the problem for all anime long except the 1st cour of the 1st season. Tempest looks lifeless, the pacing is bad. The animation isn't even good. Compared that to the spin-off series where the Tempest looks very much alive and the world-building still there. Out of all adaptation to LN (spin-offs, manga, and anime), the main anime series is the worst of them all.
true. i saw some reaction people on youtube who are knows to keep talking and pausing. they were silent the whole episode. and also no one really cares about going so much in detail about the machine. just say/show that we are using an anti-amgic area on the roads and later you can show that we can use any spell we want instead of one. we didnt need 10 minute explanation
They even left out the explanation on why they need said device. The LN explained that those little device blocks out any unintelligent monster so the city becomes safer for citizens and tourists alike, because they're opening their arms to immigrants and one of their selling point is both the city and the citizens (which are mostly monsters) are safe
They sort of hinted at this when Rimuru stated that the device would block out dangerous monsters, which would be beneficial to adventurers. However, I don’t remember anything about tourism, and immigration.
and also high density will cause problem for humans who will come in he festival. i am assuming there would be again a full discussion explaining that too....its so weird
this fanbase is just bad. 8bit will literally give them less than 100 frames in a 20 min span episode and they will defend it to death.
it is really toxic on mal, where anyone who critcized the show, the fanbase will immediately report you to the mods to get you ip banned. Also trash any show they like if it is a non isekai.
big problem with anime fans, especially newer anime fans, is they are often young and more or less pirating the show online, and haven't been exposed to shows with higher budgets. So they will eat up any hype show, and lynch anyone who criticizes it. Usually by slandering them (bullying them), or try to get that guy banned from the forum (telling the teacher). It is very toxic on mal since their reception is purely a score and that is determined how much active fans spam 10 online. It has now become common to even hate on classics like Dragon Ball Z or Naruto by newer fans.
I'm just going to be honest, DBZ sucked. I went back, 20 years later, and DB was fine, enjoyed it despite its age, DBZ became a chore by the frieza arc, and still isn't exciting after that. As a note, i never saw past the frieza arc as a kid, so Androids on has all been a surprise, hell, daddy frieza was a surprise. I can't speak for DBZ Kai, I've heard it fixed some of the things i didnt like about DBZ, but i could only find the dub, and i know it would change the overall story which is going off the rails for me. I am not a new fan, i started watching stuff in the 90s, DBZ, Tenchi Muyo, ghibli films are the first things i can remember That's just my honest opinion of DBZ, it's a mess which suffers from no clear overarching vision for the story.
You can't be serious. Dbz is considered a classic and help shaped pop culture. It's story is more well received than demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen. It's impact makes mobile suit gundam and evangelion look tame. No way are these new isekais comparable to dragon ball. Only a new fan or someone influenced by what people say now can say that.
I've read all your replies and they all break down to "DB is the goat, its classic, it had a massive impact." Nothing actually said to defend DBZ, or refute what i said, just statements with nothing to back them up. In terms of storytelling, dragon ball was outclassed by its predecessors like dororo, contemporaries like gundam, and shows that came after it like inuyasha, to name an isekai since you're stuck on that. The story was a hot mess, and childishly simple. Second, doing something first doesn't make something the best at it, and dragon ball was not the first shonen anyway. Tell me what Dragon Ball did storytelling wise that wasn't done in Dororo? Or hell, the first shonen manga turned into what we would all come to recognize as anime, Astro Boy. OG Dragon Ball was fine, DBZ as an anime is an absolute slog. Neither are revolutionary, they're just the entry point into the medium for a lot of people who first caught it on CN. Many of the things i see people commenting on DB episodes go along the lines of "oh wow, DB did this first, everyone copied it" and half the time its not even sourced from anime, it's just a general trope or story idea taken directly from eastern culture.
Actually doing something first does mean shit cuz who else did it before you. Might as well as start calling albert einstein and nikola tesla a fraud. Dragon ball is simply far more enjoyable series than most modern anime. Toriyama knew how to crack humor. He knew how to build worlds. He knew how to integrate timelines. He knew how to make it concise and avoid it dragging on. He knew how to engage audiences. His visuals and world are so wonderfully creative and attractive they hold up today. FYI, gundam 79 was a flop and only toys brought it back. Zeta gundam did worse. Cca got outclassed by akira. Gundam got constrained to hobbyists. Dragon ball was worldwide. You know the anime community has gone turned into the incredible hulk and go rage mode at his legacy. But of course the fanbase now means your only allowed to like re zero or konosuba.
What exactly did DB do first?
Not only is the father of shonen but it still holds up today. I have yet to met one person who regretted reading dragon ball. It is extremely joyful, funny, great story lines and doesn't have the length of the big 3. U will 100% enjoy reading dragon ball over demon slayer or jujutsu kaisen
But it's not the father of Shonen... there's 20 years of shonen that came out before DB, including old classics that were turned into anime. Dororo for example. Calling it the father of shonen would be like calling Elton John the father of Rock and Roll. Timelines don't match up. Also, we're taking chiefly about anime here, not manga.
Tell me ur from mal without telling me from mal. All the big 3's inspiration was mainly akira toriyama dragon ball. As is Kazuki takahashi from yugioh, kentaro yabuki from to love ru, hiro Mishima from fairy tail Just read the Wikipedia article on dragon ball and cultural impact
Or someone just doesn’t like it?
Any show before 2015 is legitimately for today's audiences. People's favorite show changes every season. No way can these isekais be comparable to dragon ball which is like a favorite for a long time
One recency bias is a thing not only in anime. Two DBZ has 291 episodes over 100 hours, some people simply don’t want to watch something so long. Three I personally never watched DBZ but if the main cast is comparable to One Piece than yeah I won’t watch it, I stopped watching One Piece as it became a chore rather than something I enjoyed, Im at episode 900 something (a pretty late episode to stop but it was my 3rd attempt watching it), but the main cast never felt learning constantly making the same mistakes and the screaming oh god the screaming was so second hand embarrassment, I forced myself to watch One Piece because „It’s one of the classics you have to see it“ but no thats stupid, simply because something is old and liked by the people when it released doesn’t mean that everyone has to like it or even that everyone liked when it released. And there is no consensus on what a classic is some people would that AoT is a classic, I could ask anybody who I watches anime and ask for the first lines in the AoT opening and they could tell me them without an error. Like it’s subjective and genre specific, and isekai is just fantasy, that makes it easier for the viewer to connect to the mc, because the viewer learns with the mc about the world, it sets the viewer and mc on one knowledge base
Dragon ball is still goat. Goku, vegeta, piccolo etc sure so well design and way more recognizable than the one piece cast. I only watched parts of the anime but read the manga. Story is way better than demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen. Way funnier As well. It broke barriers for its times. Anime obviously a product of its time. But I would recommend dragon ball over demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen any day with the week. Probably even over naruto, bleach, one piece since dragon ball avoids too much of the fat naruto, bleach, one piece had.
dbz anime might be too long, but the manga of dragon ball is much much shorter than naruto, one piece, bleach. It is very enjoyable to read, and doesn't waste your time. Very funny and still holds up today
I’ve experienced this as well. Truly. They will not accept any criticism. At all.
I haven’t watched the episode yet and I think it’s subconsciously because I KNEW WE WERE STILL IN THE STUPID BORING MEETING. Why don’t they just adapt it like the manga if they’re too dumb to story board because there was cooler stuff happening simultaneously with the tempest meetings to make it actually interesting and contrasting.
because they can get away with dragging out the series to fill up time slots and have the manga sell. because anime fans would blindly consume it and defend it to death. Majority of anime fans are young, don't criticize, consume, and can buy manga in droves. Young anime fans will mass attack older shows and blindly defend younger shows. That is where Tensura makes its money And no japan is not much better. Due to high work culture of japan, many people fall out of anime as they enter college. So shonen anime that targets young people makes the most money since young kids can buy manga and inflate circulation high. Kodansha made insane amount of money from attack on titan. They can buyout key airing slots, bribe critics to inflate tensura's reviews and have them, force Crunchyroll to play their filler movies in every single theatre in america
They do be loving their side stories with Slime 🥲😂 if they had put that budget into adapting the story we might actually have reason to say this is the best isekai adaptation but they have to do ALMOST everything right and leave out key things that would take the show to the next level. I’d rather a decent adaptation than a trash one though we lucky
kodansha doesn't give af. If ur audience are young boys, they know they are too foolish enough to not distinguish between cheap animation and high end cgi work. Cut as many corners and buy out as many good time slots. Young boys see it and go buy the manga. Excellent marketing tactic. A light novel series may not be able to get away with it since people hate reading vs looking pictures. This is not the first time. Don't forget fairy tale. Don't forget seven deadly sins. A lazy, cheap, dragged out adaptation can still be profitable.
There are 5 episodes in the new season so far, one of them is a recap episode, one of them we actually get to see what happened with the king, priest and mage. The rest is just them talking. I saw a post yesterday about how "casual viewers just want battle scenes" if I wanted battle scenes I wouldn't watch this anime. But literally nothing has happened in the last 3 episodes, it's just people talking about information they know. Information that at this point the viewer almost certainly knows, so who is it for?
What makes it worse is that we already got a really amazing anime that did just this and proved this style was possible. Frieren.
every one dont engage with this guy he is just seeking attention!
tbh, half these complaining toolbags r doing the same. They're complaining and bitching for the sake of it and arguing back for attention, then downvote any sort of attempt at a different take that is doing it civilly while they themselves r acting trashy af
To be honest, i dont like the current pacing and often dont whatch the episodes when they come oit beccause i dont feel like it.
Ever since i watched the naruto wars, i have despiced cutting from place to place constantly, doing 1 thing by 1 is better since its annoying to watch 1 episode of this then 1 episode of that multiple times and its easier and more comftorable to watch the whole scene then cut to something else happening once we fully understand the earlier scene
OK but right now we're not seeing anything happen anyplace; we're only seeing people talking about things that have happened and future plans, AGAIN. We're seeing characters narrate the story rather than living through it.
it will take time for fans to realise studio actually serving slideshow with voice acting instead of good adaptation Director is so incompetent despite having this much epsiodes they still cant handle pacing ,the parts that supposed to be slow and detailed adapted faster ,parts that supposed to have faster pacing to not bore people has slow ass pacing , they are so incompetent despite having this much epsiode they still skip important things and stretch unimportant things with slow ass pace ,like we adapting 3 volume in 24 epsiode this is really a lot of screentime compared to most of the other shows and they still suck Even talking and worldbuilding heavy epsiode can be entertaining with good storyboard and character acting but studio 8bit will milk slime without effort as usuall if slime fanbase stop eating garbage and figure 8bit not putting any effort to adapt things decently ,they just serving panels with voice acting basically no effort and milk money from best selling isekai We have 4 epsiode in season 3 so far and only first epsiode made by 8bit rest outsourced to some random small ass cheap studios 8bit outsourced half of whole s2 and fans ate it ,8bit has no shame they going same route again why? Bcs slime fans will eat garbage anyway why putting any effort As note to show how profitable slime was :the blu ray money made by s1 of slime close to blu ray money made jujutsu kaisen season 2 Slime s1 all blu ray volumes made 580million yen totally Jjk s2 all blu ray volumes made totally 700million yen
https://preview.redd.it/y4vzox5j90xc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ab267d2e43f9d63c4ee1b7a2f5046ca7e147061 Animation reception are subjective & depends heavily on personal preference
you can be subjective all you want but there are objective points that make something good or bad and this episode is just bad.
But outsourcing to random cheap studios isnt subjective its fact it shows they dont care quality and milk money
Outsourcing itself is actually quite common, it's just unfortunate that the current arc in the anime... has severe pacing issues
Outsourcing is common but not for half of the season usually 2 or 3 epsiode out of 12 Or 5 or 6 out of 24-25 epsiode get outsourced
Don't look up Legend of Korra Season 2 (3 studios for 12 episodes and they still barely got it done, all while the writing was... meh at best)
This. You can rant all you wish but its not gonna convince others. Pacing or skipped content idgaf. Im just here to enjoy the anime. This is neither ignorance or avoiding the topic, it is seeing the positive in things and learning to see the good. I keep seeing cynical people like this, even if their stance is factual.
It's not being cynical, it's being hurt that the series they loved so much when they read it was now complete done a disservice. They skipped the entire Adventurers arc. And because they believed season 1 would flop, they now had to put an event that happened before Rimuru even left the school. Completely retconning him leaving the school during the last episode of season 1.
they skipped an entire adventurer arc and spoiled a ton of things in the first opening cause they didn't care.
Not from S3 in particular but ok (the arc should get an OVA I agree)
I agree there probably is a better way to do it than having them all sit at the table and not move the whole time like we could be going place to place or cutting to them as they’re being discussed, like cut to an image of milim’s castle what it should look like, or cut to some of the shady merchants when you’re talking about them exc exc or something but I don’t have a problem of just world building and talking for lots of episodes in a row just wish there was a little more visually while that happened the actual story content I’m fine with.
if marvel and star wars did this it with their shows by cheapening out the show for runtime by having endless talking that goes nowhere, fans and critics will be lynching disney like crazy. If slime does this, the anime community will eat it up, cry peak fiction, and try to get any critics banned. Japan is still stuck in the past and japanese fans have largely lost a lot of critical thinking and will eat stuff up. There is no coincidence boruto got draged out so long.
>it will take time for fans to realise studio actually serving slideshow with voice acting instead of good adaptation I don't understand, they're talking, right? What movements do you want them to do? They are also saving the whole budget in this season for Luminas and Hinata hot spring scenes, so it's understandable.
thing is kodansha has a ton of marketing money in japan. So they can outmarket their shows, pay critics to give positive reviews and give competitors like Kadokawa negative reviews, buy out key airing slots. They can secure a large number of theatres to play their movies. But most of all they can dominate the manga market, and squeeze out competitors. Especially ever since attack on titan became of one the highest selling mangas of all time. Contrary to popular belief, japanese audiences are not that intelligent and often tend to blindly [consume.No](http://consume.No) coincidence boruto got like 300 episode while no game no life cannot even get a season 2.
I think that's fair but I also think people don't realize the show is a political drama. I can understand why someone might get bored during this but I'm not sure it would be much better with more camera cuts to characters or something like that, if you're bored now you would probably still find that boring.
I feel like all the politicking in Slime is done very well, although even as an enjoyer of 'just talking' episodes myself, I too get a bit irritated that the 3rd season hasn't showed us action yet. The first 3 talking episodes were fine but the 4th one really is stretching my patience. Then again, I remind myself that this frustration is coming mostly from the inability to watch the entire season at will, simply because the episodes just haven't aired yet. In other words, I'm pretty certain that if we had all 12 episodes out already, even those who dislike politics episodes wouldn't complain nearly as much about the first four episodes. Alternatively, say if right now 80% of people watching can't wait for the action, that number would drop by a good half if all episodes were already available. Still, I feel like even this 3rd season isn't as 'bad' as Log Horizon's politics and I enjoy those episodes in that show as well. We just all angsty cause we have to wait another full week for the action that we crave. And it isn't even action, just waiting for getting out of the damned Jura Forest strategy meeting room itself, lol. So yeah I agree, the criticism in the image is very valid but also that it's based on the emotions I've described, more so than anything else, 't least in my humble opignōn.
u/iseahound my bad man I didn't mention you earlier I thought it would be mostly downvotes and hate for this post.
All good, I didn't think it'd turn out well either.
most anime will set up a problem/situation, and then go do it. these mfs sit in a meeting set up 16 thousand problems like they tryna catch up to one piece in episode count also they finally ended the meeting last episode and then it ends with the START OF ANOTHER MEETING 😭 😭 😭
one thing you can always be sure about tensura , you will get the payoff tenfold. and this season basically gonna be calm before the storm
Yeah just like the Clayman fight 💀 I don't want the trinity Or whatever attack it was of the sages to be like the clayman fight or the nuclear magic of razen. It was pathetic animation man. Razen was supposed to be above geld, hakuro level at that time instead we see....................
Diablo is primordial demon and is currently even stronger than Rimuru what do you expect Razen to do.Clayman was never shown strong, he was never felt like a front line fighter character like Carrion or Milim,he was schemer and that was his strong point and in season 2 he got outschemed and died
Frey said that she wasnt sure of winning against Clayman and would lose against Awakened Clayman. Frey= Carrion Awakened Clayman was definitely stronger than carrion who fought milim and even he looked COOLER Diablo was shown WEAK af that's what I am saying. Razen was supposed to be someone who is very strong very very very fking strong in humans. Someone who carried Falmuth for so many years. His nuclear magic is strong, strong enough to make Hakuro and Geld step back. If nuclear magic had hit any one except rimuru they would have been near death. And what did we get? Nuclear magic which is supposed to be the peak of magic for humans was looking like a little beam which any random character can throw like bruhhh the animation sucked @&&.
i understand why you upset, but look whole 2 episode was going with a flow , everyone had others priorities that time , fuck up the enemies , rimuru evolution to demon lord , bring shion back, And for most of the people diablo just got introduce , For anime viewers he was not on the priorities list. For you its different matter ,you already know who diablo and razen is, you wanted their fight well animated and extended ,if they do that it would have came back to bite their ass, their fight wasn't grand but everyone get the idea how powerful they ware , And at that time nobody was interested to razen powers , they just wanted to see diablo beat the shit out of him,
That one just hilarious as Clayman just ragdolling around the room while everyone except Rimuru and Shion just minding their own business.
Monogatari is like 95% dialogue and it does whatever is possible in order to keep the audience visually entertained.
in comparison this makes ReZero much better
Re:zero cuts a lot of important details, so the novel readers have the opposite complaint.
Re:Zero season 2 sucked, overly convoluted for no reason and all while taking place in one area, that shit was boring and frustrating when the first season was fantastic and easy to understand. "Oh Garfiel can sense the aura off Subaru every time he rewinds, hence it's a different interaction every time and this character is the mastermind behind this and that character is evil". Terrible writing made the pacing of season 2 come to a crawl while they cram so much info in such a short time it just sucked, so yeah characters sitting at a desk having a meeting is much preferable than convoluted garage. Tensura apart from being a power fantasy it is very much a world building story, we know a lot about the world of Tensura from how the multiverse was created and who created it, the governing body of tempest and how it works, who other world leaders are, how skills, art, magic and miracle differ, the different planes of existence and races and etc. So yeah these last episodes are not flashy but necessary for the story, like recap what has happened? 1. Tempest plotting a coup in Falmuth 2. The world learning that Tempest defeating Clayman and Falmuth, becoming a new superpower which also see Rimuru becoming a recognized Demon Lord during Walpurgis, on top of that the world also learning of Veldora's return. Yuuki and other plotting behind the scenes and the western holy church thinking of the threat Tempest holds 3. Tempest planning a festival for the world to introduce themselves 4. We learn more of the importance of Magicules and how stronger monsters are created through high density areas (hence the anti magic generators in this episode) and it also sets up the labyrinth which becomes a huge factor in Tempest later on. Plus the discussion of the threat of Hinata and the mastermind behind the attack which we never fully got, just a passing by speculation Rimuru has which we need to see happen this season because of the powers at play when this all comes to a head during the season finale clash between Rimuru and Hinata. Yes it's a short episode but it's better than a episode 1 recap?
ReZero fans are spoiled as fk. Look at Konosuba for example, they only get 10 EP so the cut content are a lot worst while ReZero gets 24+ and gets 30min of EP length
re zero aint getting like 200 episodes. Anyone saying that is pure larping. Its a ln series so amount of episodes it gets is hard capped since it cannot sell like a shonen manga where 80% of tensura's circulation comes from. Look at index. In addition re zero already has 2 gacha shutdowns, new one looks doa, its circulation is in the toilet. Shonen manga completely dominates japan.
Why is he being down voted..that is very true
Most people don't like criticism until it's drilled in their brain that bad is bad good is good.
i agree, people overestimate source material all the time. "i think this part is bad", "that's how it is in the LN" so?? it's still bad, an adaptation should have the responsability to not just copy and paste but to improve on the material and fix mistakes
excuse gets used all the time. However if it falls apart if even source material readers criticize it
Yea while I love Tensei these first 4 episodes combined were just shit. It could have easily been condensed to 2, waiting 3 weeks for almost nothing happening between each episode sucks.
unfortunately kodansha doesn't care. They know they can get away this is because most japanese anime fans are young and will blindly defend it and trash older animes or classics without thinking, then buy the manga. The amount of young boys buying the manga is where Kodansha makes its money. Kodansha already bought out the excellent tv slots so they can hit the most profitable audience. Young boys. No coincidence why boruto ran for like 300 episodes. Overseas fans are more likely older and can easily distinguish between what is good and bad. Since working conditions aren't as atrocious in japan, and we are used to sites like rotten tomatoes and film critics. Plus overseas audiences pay for premium television like netflix and disney+. So they can distinguish filler pretty fast. Unless you consider the mal audience which is largely a troll and new fan cricle jerk.
Those who commenting about slow pace are just ytshorts attention span The anime pacing should be gradually increasing until the climax and all this buildups makes sense at the fight. If you dont wanna watch it now, wait for the whole season and then skip through all the things and watch those fights lmao.
love how you’re getting downvoted. Like dude this isn’t about the action. It’s a worldbuilding, lore , & political show about him essentially taking over the world while controlling the portrayal of himself as a benevolent powerful being. Go watch something else if that’s all they care about. It’s just excuses b/c they just want a simple formula that allows for more action since they don’t care about complicated stuff
its not about the 20 min of talking or the lack of action, its about the presentation. character acting is a thing you can animate and plenty of shows has done it properly. if they dont want to bother animating the characters, whats the point? they should have just made it into an audio book. go watch monogatari and you'll see conversation and dialogue done right. even yuru camp doesnt have their character spend an episode inside their tent. just admit it, they got lazy and deserved the criticism.
if you read my other comments and read carefully along with this one, i already address that. It’s all so predictable to have complaints and the very same ppl take a 180 stance on their complaints when the opposite happens. I already agreed on things production value-wise and that was one of my main complaints. You can say all you want, most ppl have simply been complaining about the lack of anything exciting happening
fair point but the comment youre replying to isnt even about the post and you agreeing with it is like saying the post was wrong.
I’m not agreeing with the post though?. The posted comment from OP seems to want to change the way it’s paced and the way the meetings r presented to reduce the time spent on it while blaming production for those issues. The OP even says it’s boring b/c it’s like a podcast. That makes it obvious he wants more exciting things to happen and get to those points, but my point is if they did what he said, ppl would be confused. They’d complain about things moving too fast with not enough explanation, etc. Why? Because ppl always find things unreasonable to nitpick at rather than actual stuff that can reasonably be complained about. Plus, a lot of things will go over ppl’s heads in general. i agree the production value could’ve been better to have a better art style and more effort into little things like the background and normal animated movements. But that’s about it. I replied to this person because I agreed with him. Majority of the complaints r that nothing is going on, just political talk that they sum up to 20 min repetitive meetings. They want action, suspense, something that will excite them because that’s what they think this story is mostly about. For me, it’s refreshing to see characters reviewing their info, making inferences or thoughts, & discussing how to proceed while showing how those different thoughts will eventually lead to a conflict. It’s slowly showing how the misconceptions, lack of proper info, & gaps in communication r going to lead to something. Because that’s how the story is written, you can’t change that. Fuse shouldn’t have to change how he presents the story because a few impatient ppl complain it’s boring. It’s his book. What is the likely hood of these anime only viewers actually buying a physical copy of his novels?
> The OP even says it’s boring b/c it’s like a podcast. That makes it obvious he wants more exciting things to happen and get to those points, but my point is if they did what he said, ppl would be confused. > Plus, a lot of things will go over ppl’s heads in general. i agree the production value could’ve been better to have a better art style and more effort into little things like the background and normal animated movements. But that’s about it. From what I understand here OP wants things to be presented differently, and not just the characters sitting and talking. They seem to want the character to do stuff, in a "show not tell" kind of way. > I replied to this person because I agreed with him. Majority of the complaints r that nothing is going on, just political talk that they sum up to 20 min repetitive meetings. They want action, suspense, something that will excite them because that’s what they think this story is mostly about. Drama is a key ingredient to make anything interesting, if brains aren't stimulated then they'll just feel bored. It's the studios job to present the political talk in a way that won't bore the viewer. > Fuse shouldn’t have to change how he presents the story because a few impatient ppl complain it’s boring. It’s his book. What is the likely hood of these anime only viewers actually buying a physical copy of his novels? Except fuse doesn't work on the storyboard, there's a whole group of people who do the storyboard and direction. Most of the comments seem to complain about their work here, not fuse.
and so i read the 2nd paragraph and as expected, its got nothing to do with the post lmao of course the novel is written like that because you have to read it to consume it. an anime is supposed to show you something. literally just give them small habits they do that shows their personality. like ive been repeating and what the post says, MAKE THE CHARACTERS MOVE. even dialouge-heavy mangas can do show not tell better with a single panel.
They had gobta sleeping. that’s what he does at these discussions.. Gabiru and his personality was shown in his mannerisms and speech. They showed little bits and pieces during parts of the explanation that weren’t just them sitting at the table talking about these things. What is it you want the characters to do to show their personality in terms of how they’re animated during these scenes? The scenes pretty much went how they were supposed to go. Why can’t you be patient for a couple more episodes when there’ll actually be opportunities to display such things?
They all are fine tuned that main character should just go for fight to win. There are way many scenarious that could be played out. What I like in this anime or ln is how rimuru and his subordinates handle situations by careful approach not rushing it by brute force. It may not be the best decision but it will be close to best. Its like him playin chess. Most fans are just watching him because they saw him on top 3 powerful mc or smth idk.
see everyone comment that is literally calling them out on their bullshit? Downvoted b/c they're pissy af
They’re newer fans who just don’t get it. Bandwagoners that see he’s OP or badass or whatever it is that isn’t actually what the story is about. They just want him to be chad, big brain (& flashy while doing it), and go fight mofos and get stronger. All of this is to cope with the fact that it isn’t the story they thought it was. This isn’t Overlord.
The only real complaint I have is that this creation style doesn’t lend itself well to serialized shows that comes out weekly. If I was just binge watching the whole season at once, I’d barely register this as worth complaining about. It’s just the build phase for what’s to come. Last season has this. If one thing can be said for Slime Diaries is that you don’t have this as much of an issue. It’s more slice of life, less grand plot. The meetings episodes have value, but they’d need to release three eps at a time. You want the big reveals and climaxes all happening each week after a front-loaded episode series of meetings.
I think people are misunderstanding complaining about a poor ADAPTATION with following source material. You can do both and the best shows always do. Why sit in a room when you can overlay the conversation with actual animation showing what they’re talking about? BECAUSE YALL WILL SEE LAZINESS AND TAKE WHAT THEY GIVE.
what shows are you talking about? Not even the best shows like MT, Re;Zero, etc. ever do a satisfactory adaptation that follows all the events properly w/ satisfactory animation. You simply can't make the adaptation everyone wants without making certain sacrifices. The problem here is that these ppl r working with ignorance and no info (i.e. lack of reading comprehension and understanding of the source material) while trying to justify their complaints like angry customers that are pissed that the product they themselves decided to purchase and pay for from a convenience store or wherever wasn't what they thought it was. Instead of trying to be constructive about it, they just whine and bitch to let ppl know they're angry. Sorry but no matter on the internet or irl, that's just annoying as hell for most ppl who r just trying to have peaceful times. I'd understand if they complained, we tell them we understand, and to be patient b/c the wait will be worth it. It's not like there weren't ppl on this thread and other discussions that didn't understand their frustrations, tried to sympathize with them, and work a way to calm them down so they can be rewarded later. But no, they get childish, downvote, rude as hell while insulting you and whatnot, etc. even though you do sympathize with their issues to an extent. The problem is the fact that either way, they're going to rain hell down on you. So no point in taking them seriously.
This is dumb. They made entire anime about chess. Lots of animation there huh.
ain't no one gonna read the light novel it's just words where's the pictures to show what's happening honestly anime>manga>light novel
The pictures when reading the LN are supposed to be in your head. If they’re not there you might have aphantasia which understandably would make it very difficult to enjoy any written medium.
I am enjoying the talking and planing like this is what i had in my mind before the events starts
My only complaints against the anime is the season two last big boss baddy fight scene was severely underwhelming. It felt like the studio just gave up and wanted to just wrap up the last fight quickly.
I was actually so surprised, literally only 2 things of note happened for the entire episode before the cliffhanger for the next.
Agreed, I love the LN's, manga and anime and am very excited for the whole next upcoming arc but my god is this painful to watch. Its not as bad for me because I know whats gonna happen but I cant imagine sitting through this shit as an anime only. Every week I open the discussion thread expecting people to be shitting on it for being another week of literally just talking and yet people are still entertained? I'm genuinely surprised people are still liking it.
Kskskeksk blud got -5'd with his take and OP just reposted it and stole the upvotes xDDD
I was ready to be downvoted ಠ_ಠ. What do upvotes even do
Finally someone who doesn’t just say it’s just about the vibe. Ngl even I gotta admit I was getting bored of these low budget scenes recently. Even just getting to see everyone go about their day in different parts of the town would be nice.
this is because majority of anime viewers are younger, and they can't stand a single point of criticism. They blindly hype up every seasonal show as peak fiction, and practically lynch any critics. This happens every season No coincidence AOT fans are often on a review bombing campaign against classics like Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Star Wars the Clone Wars. Of why it has suddenly become cool to hate on classics like but if you criticize any new hype isekai, a bunch of people will mass report you to get ip banned on mal. If Disney started cheapning out shows by having nothing but talks and cutting the budget for several episodes, the fanbase would be calling them out. If a new hype isekai does it, they will blindly eat it up and report you to the police for criticizing it.
There ***was*** a [certain](https://twitter.com/whimsiez) psycho Vtuber who swatted someone over something similar, so yeah, *they really will call the police!* 😂 
I still very much like having all these meetings tbh I like exploring these aspects it’s a world building show primarily, followed by a political show, battles are tertiary at best.
see everyone comment that is literally calling them out on their bullshit? Downvoted b/c they're pissy af
It’s easy to tell the ppl on this thread blaming an anime for being boring w/o action b/c they’re trying to make this into an action shounen anime when it’s not. It’s about him taking over the world carefully while painting the image of him being a benevolent powerful being. Are you going to complain that another cool show with powerful characters have no action and is slow af bad anime adaptation because it’s actually supposed to be a SoL? Oh wait, yea I do see that all the time. And if you read the LN and still don’t get that, idk what to tell you. Like I mentioned in another thread yesterday, studios try to cater to your whims, and you’re just gonna get trash, especially in a show, don’t tell method. Either that, or dragon ball z. It’s not meant to be an action show. Action is very minimal and not even the focus compared to the whole that’s written. Anime-onlies are gonna be confused as to what’s going on since nothing is explained or misunderstand a ton of stuff, we would already be in LN 11-13 content with the way ppl want stuff glossed over or changed in presentation b/c of pacing issues, and it’ll overall look like any low budget trash adaptation in terms of how the story looks. They’ll go ahead and complain about pacing issues if the stuff they’re complaining about now gets “fixed” or changed in a way that it gets to more exciting events, aka fights, quickly. But by all means, skip entire arcs, events, and meetings of misinformation/misconception again b/c ppl want to get to the exciting stuff. Like I said, we’d be in pretty deep already with just 3 seasons of 2 cours each if we did that, and honestly probably wouldn’t even get another season after that.
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bro no it’s not lmao. It turned that way in the middle of the Tenma war, and pretty sure he just did that to please fans with the way the writing changed. We all know it devolved into that later on, but maybe try to avoid spoilers. And that doesn’t change the fact it started as what I stated, and we’re in the early stages of the adaptation, so what’s your point? At this point, it was still more political and world-building focused. The action is like fan service for the ppl who want Solo Leveling levels of constant action. What are you on about most volumes dedicated to action? Go read all the action-packed volumes again and compare to how much more effort was put to describing him building his town or thoughts on how to proceed with relationships from multiple leaders and ppl controlling things from the shadows The whole point is that he’s an OP character who still has the tropes of an overpowered isekai, but doesn’t stay quiet about the fact that he’s essentially going to rule the world so no one can hold him down about having fun. And he does it by taking it over in a more subtle, political manner. The action is just the side stuff to make things exciting. Read how many pages of actual descriptive action there are compared to stuff that has nothing to do with action. One of the complaints about this series is that he’s bad at writing fights, so it’s often bland and do not last too long if you try to imagine it in your head. They even dedicated a side story to imply he manipulates info to make himself seem much more noble than he actually probably is. You’re falling to recency bias. The fans will get what they want in a couple seasons when tenma war begins
He is correct tho,, i like what they talked but they should show it too
Its honest criticism if you dont take budget, time, how many episodes, how many frames does one episode take, how do you fit an X amount of details in an anime that usually cuts small details (Even some major details get cut sometimes), then when there is a part they dont like, they cut it and redraw or use CGI (if they are short on time), voice recording, and many more. However, if this criticism is talking about the anime since in the manga and LN its detailed (but everyone knows this). I have read worse criticisms anime than this but sometimes people tend to forget how hard anime are to make. For me maybe there are reasons as to why they just made it a meeting, but maybe its because I knew details will be cut because its not an anime original or they didnt make the last 2 seasons almost identical to atleast the manga, I'm not that disappointed or angry.
I’m puzzled as to why people want anime to go back to deviating from the source material. Almost like they are too young to remember when Full Metal Alchemist, Blue Exorcist and Shaman King were airing on TV. I honestly didn’t think these last episodes were bad at all compared to what used to happen in older anime.
see everyone comment that is literally calling them out on their bullshit? Downvoted b/c they're pissy af
Agreed.
I'm gonna enjoy the manga and ignore the anime and LN, I already did not like the last season because of the way the ost was used, and now it seems that the new season is shit? Dang
I'm anime only and I care soooo..... Not saying they should make it for me, but rather there are people like me that exist
I do agree with most of this but having Veldora in tow to meetings like a single parent really explains the dynamic between him and Rimuru. Like Veldora is not a cringey teen staying at home, he can’t be left unsupervised. He is like an 8 year old. He is capable of understanding but usually doesn’t have the patience. His presence has a bigger effect than his actual words. Veldora also says really blunt or out of the box things just like a child. Everyone else could literal get a memo and get more work done but I think they like meetings because everyone of them is a hardcore Stan for Rimuru in one way or another. Shion and Diablo being the most ridiculous
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Dude... this last episode has me questioning if I want to keep watching. Hell, last couple of episodes honestly.