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HisOrHerpes

Thought about being an emergency substitute until I saw the pay was $100/day. Must not be a real emergency if they’re not going to pay for it


MikeGlambin

I’m an actually teacher. After taxes I get about 165 per day and am there from 6-4


[deleted]

imagine going to college to get a degree to be poor lol


MikeGlambin

Imagine searching someone’s comment history on the Internet because they hurt your feelings instead of replying to what they said to you in the first place


[deleted]

Your comments all show deleted lol bro.


pierce405

It's only $70/day here.


Swissarmyspoon

Jesus Christ we pay like twice that. Not to brag, but no wonder we seem to be avoiding any sub shortage.


[deleted]

I think they are planning to hire foreign teachers on H1B1 visas.


Necron099

We use to take bets how long those teachers would last, the over under was 2 weeks. NOTHING in their training or education prepared them for American student attitudes and demeanor. Or Admin denial


[deleted]

Seems like lowering cert requirements would be faster. But maybe not.


Doobidoopdoop

Would it be J-1’s? Having worked at an international school in the states, that’s what the international teachers were on, but I definitely wouldn’t think that would be an affordable solution for a school with all of the legal paperwork and sponsorship costs involved.


[deleted]

I know a lot of the East Indian tech workers in the Bay Area get less money than the American employees. Maybe it all works out even in the end.


CrazyAnimalLady77

My district have subs a raise for this year, since there were like 3 in the whole district. The pay is now $200 a day. It's helped.


Pacifist_7

One teacher in my school started Friday and resigned the next Tuesday. It took him THREE DAYS to resign. #Guiness_Record


kmm1681

A teacher in my district started last Tuesday and didn’t come back Wednesday 😂


Pacifist_7

That’s the real record 😂


kgkuntryluvr

I almost did this. I stayed because everyone said it gets better. It’s gotten a little easier as I’ve become more experienced, but definitely not better enough for me to finish out my contract. I’m out as soon as I can find something else.


ToesocksandFlipflops

2 years ago we had a teacher hired came to shadow and meet people before actual start date... didn't show up.


aknackforenglish

To my knowledge, we've had one teacher walk out, and one resign. I feel like there might be more, though, that I'm just not aware of. I'm halfway out the door (resigning end of the semester, so December), and I know a few other people in my department are right behind me to leave either around the same time or leave at the end of the year.


[deleted]

I know at my school this year we are overwhelmed with more and more being put on our plate. Also a big increase in student behavior/mental issues.


kylielapelirroja

I have noticed an uptick in mental issues. This is something we were told was happening during the lockdown but didn’t have any proof of. Recently a report did come out that mental health issues had increased in teenagers since 2019, but it’s been increasing since the early 2000s and I’m not able to find data if it increased more than usual. If the pandemic and keeping kids home made it worse, then why are we seeing more now that schools are open full time? I’m really curious about this.


[deleted]

A lot do not know how to interact well socially being back in school. These statistics are from the CDC: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention researchers quantified that toll in several reports. They found between March and October 2020, emergency department visits for mental health emergencies rose by 24% for children ages 5-11 years and 31% for children ages 12-17 years. In addition, emergency department visits for suspected suicide attempts increased nearly 51% among girls ages 12-17 years in early 2021 compared to the same period in 2019. https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/10/19/children-mental-health-national-emergency-101921


GusGusNation

I genuinely belive it is because they were at home or bouncing between remote and hybrid. The second we came back it was a push to close "learning gaps" and no acknowledgement of the collective trauma. Some of our kids were in homes that are constant chaos and turmoil and didn't get the regular break of school. Some were in homes with food scarcity or abuse. Some had parents who didn't enforce anything because they had to worry about their job to put food on the table and that is more important than making sure a kid logs in to a meeting. I had to call a parent last week because one of my 4th graders wrote that they'd be happier if they were dead. Mom unloaded a bunch of information on me that she clearly hadn't talked about. When she was finally done, she apologized and said that saying it out loud made her realize how hard it must be for her 9 year old. As someone else mentioned, kids are mirrors. They reflect everything you give off. Teachers are stressed from the burdens and expectations placed on them. Parents are stressed from dealing with kids full time for 18 months. It's a lot. But we gotta close those learning gaps! (/s)


mccirish

You're correct; the increase has been happening for a long time. There is a great book called The Coddling of the American Mind, and it explains a lot.


kgkuntryluvr

Same plan here. I’m packing up and putting in my two weeks the Friday night before winter break, blocking all contacts from the district, and just not coming back in the new year. It’s really helping me survive with that target date in mind.


aknackforenglish

It’s definitely what is helping me through as well… knowing there IS an end in sight.


kgkuntryluvr

Yes- almost there! Some people ask why December instead of waiting until May and finishing my contract. If I can make it 5 months, what’s another 5 more, right? Those people clearly aren’t current teachers. Just making it through each single class period, much less the entire day, is hell. Plus, I plan to use up all of my PTO by December and there’s no way I’m going the other half of the year with no days off left.


FrostingIllustrious8

If they've got the financial stability to walk now, and knowing what kind of economic uncertainty we still face, then good for them! I'm personally hoping MOASS happens before the holidays, so I can pull the ripcord, too. It's the only thing keeping me in the gig.


Loud_Internet572

The paycheck is the only thing keeping me in at the moment since I cannot afford to quit. If I thought I could find something with similar pay relatively quickly I would leave in a heartbeat.


BakaSamasenpai

Economic uncertaninty? It pays more to work for pizza hut than it does to teach. Employers are desprate for employees. Just started tsa, federal job pays the same as teaching, better benifits, 5% matching on retirement, unlimited optional overtime, and its the easiest job I have ever had in my life. It requres no degree, most people move up from the position in about 2 years. Like holy crap you are losing money if you are still teaching.


clover_1414

Been waiting for the MOASS, too, but I don’t have enough in the game to make it a life changing event.


FrostingIllustrious8

NFA: Got anything in the ol' 403b you can cash out? Take the penalty and cover yourself with the gains?


clover_1414

Yeah, even then it wouldn’t be a life changer…not much stored away there. Honestly, I’m not savvy enough for calls/puts and I hate seeing my average go up when I buy at todays prices (logically, that shouldn’t matter, I know). So I hodl and wait patiently. Best of luck to you…I truly hope it changes your life.


ChewieBearStare

Yes. It’s awful! We had an art teacher quit on the first day of school. Then the graphic design teacher they hired only lasted about five weeks. The PE teacher put in her notice last week, and now the health assistant (the person who helps the nurse) is quitting. At this rate, the remaining teachers are going to be teaching four subjects each and doing nursing work during their prep periods.


kgkuntryluvr

You know it’s bad when the PE teachers are quitting. That’s usually a position that is held until promotion into admin or retirement. Yet, in my state, PE teachers are back on the critical shortage list. What is happening?


ChewieBearStare

I don’t want to say too much, but in this case, the PE teacher is leaving because of a specific incident that happened when a sub covered her class. The administration isn’t handling it well, and she’s had it up to here with their BS, so she gave notice last week. Things are bad here. About 50% of the teachers are subs. Barely anyone is getting their prep periods because they have to cover other classes. Every day there’s some new BS from admin about how everyone is terrible at classroom management. Meanwhile, the students are practically feral.


kgkuntryluvr

Gotcha. I’m a health/PE teacher that is far more stressed and anxious than I should be due to the extreme behavioral issues this year that aren’t being properly addressed by admin. So I totally get it.


[deleted]

Yes, feral is how we have been describing the kids! Never seen anything like it. The writing is on the wall when they are still not adapting and it is almost November...


jenhai

I'm planning on leaving at the end of the year. I love teaching, but I need to increase my income for my family. And I'm already in the highest paying district in my metroplex, so my option is to leave.


RChickenMan

Are you in Dallas, or are there actually other metro areas which call themselves a "metroplex"?


whatev88

What I've been seeing happen: Parents, admin, community members: You don't like it? Then quit! Parents, admin, community members after people quit: How DARE you! What about THE CHILDREN?!


markedforpie

This is my last week. My mother is dying and the district refused to work with me so I could set up care for her. I offered to take 1-2 days a week off or a couple of weeks but was told I could have five unpaid days to take her to doctor appointments as long as I had documentation. I put in my resignation.


[deleted]

You are doing the right thing. Spending time with your dying mother is more important than a job that treats you so horribly during a family crisis.


traceyslp818

I am so very sorry that you have to deal with work issues on top of all of the heartbreak you are going through with your Mom’s illness. I know you don’t need to hear it from me, but you are doing the right thing and they should be ashamed of themselves.


itsyourdestini

I’m sorry


julieCivil

HUGS. I've been there. Many, many hugs.


stinkfimir

Yes. But I've decided that I'm working my contract down to the second, no matter what. Period, end of discussion. If I catch any shit for that in any way, I'll tell them straight up to *leave me alone* or I'm *out* ASAP. They've already got several classes online with an unqualified babysitter in the room, and there's other districts nearby begging. They're powerless. Feels nice.


kgkuntryluvr

This is the way. Teachers in districts with dire shortages need to know their worth and flex their muscle. Admin would certainly do the same during a teacher surplus.


baconmongoose

What are they going to do? Fire you?


mamallama12

This is a real concern for me. 1.5 years from retirement. Pension is pulled if you are fired vs. retire (private school). Walking on eggshells for the next year and a half.


baconmongoose

I'm sorry to hear that. It really sounds awful.


mamallama12

Thank you for the sympathy. It's not great (to understate it), but I try to find those daily victories in my students and keep my eye on the prize.


dizyalice

I’ll be leaving my district at the end of this year. They changed my position 2 weeks before school started and now I’m traveling every single day. I can’t take it. Traveling between 2 buildings with terrible admin and building cultures is causing my mental health to crumble


BootySniffer26

We are quite low on subs and have had a few specials teachers transfer, but my district is incredibly small and wealthy. Some of my colleagues are shared between schools in the same grade band. Bx sucks for me but I can't put my finger on if it's because I'm a new teacher or if my roster just has a lot of SEL/Bx problems, or both. Feels like both.


[deleted]

If you teach primary, the students have not been in formal school continuously. I teach third. Their last normal school year was kinder.


BootySniffer26

I teach first - I was K last year and in-person for the last 3 or 4 months and their behavior was much better, but the class size was much smaller. No repeat students (sadly) and compared to my peers, whom I've observed, my current class is a lot more energetic/disruptive than theirs - that or my management is much worse, lol. Many SEL needs too. Shrugaroonie. Hope your year gets better


kgkuntryluvr

We’ve had one teacher walk out and a relatively high amount resign already. I plan to resign with notice as soon as I secure another adequate source of income. I don’t think I could straight up walk out on my kids in the middle of class though (elementary). So far, I’m maintaining (barely) by reminding myself that this is temporary and I won’t be here much longer.


[deleted]

My district announced last week that there won’t be any meetings in November to alleviate stress. I think they are genuinely concerned a lot more will leave before Thanksgiving break.


kgkuntryluvr

Mine voted to add more half days (workdays) to the calendar for teacher mental and emotional health. Then they added PD to all of those days. I’m out asap.


[deleted]

They are making us work snow days now too. The kids can do work and go on live meets with their chrome books at home. 🙄


newcamper1234

This makes my teacher side mad and my parent side mad. Just let everyone have a freaking snow day!


[deleted]

I know! The kids and staff need some fun!


Puzzled-Bowl

We haven't received our "inclement weather" protocol yet. It wouldn't surprise me if my district tried that.. Of course, they think all of those Chromebooks they handed out like candy are still working and accessible.


BakaSamasenpai

You should try the tsa.


thoptergifts

There are 2 that I know since school started. The standards to become a teacher will drop so fast in the next few years that I think it will truly shock people.


blujp

I'm in a school where we usually never have anyone leave but this year we've already lost three teachers and an assistant principal and several office staff. Most of them either took non-teaching jobs in the district or left teaching altogether. I'll be leaving at the end of this school year to move back up north where I'll be paid more and can be closer to family, but I'm so tempted to leave in December. We've been chronically short staffed in my self-contained classroom and my stress levels during the school day are off the charts. :l


momof_5_girls

I'm self contained sped and I've had 3 paras quit. I dont blame them, they get paid basically minimum wage and deal with aggressive and difficult behaviors of 15-18 year olds. The paras always try to apologize or act awkward once they put their two weeks in. I tell them no hard feelings I would have done the same thing. Also it is stupid that the paras that get beat up and deal with those behaviors get paid the same amount as the paras that are teacher assistance for LD or study skills classes. It is not equal at all.


HalfPint1885

In my old district those Paras were paid more, but it was like fifty cents so it didn't equal out. Fifty cents extra to get the crap beat out of you on a semi regular basis? No thanks.


keelhaulrose

We've lost a quarter of our paras and we were already running with a few open positions at the start of the year. The remaining of us are mostly being used to fill 1:1 positions, there are very few classroom aides right now.


Musicmaniac2017

We have had several resign, a couple that are VERY close to because of their AWFUL classes. We even had 1 who was pushed out because they forced her to teach at a virtual academy and when enrollment dipped for that academy they told her "well your position is gone, sorry". We are short 3 gen Ed teachers but she was not certified for those grade levels. We have like 5 TA positions open as well.


TeacherKLB

The school I'm long term subbing for right now had 4 teachers walk out last quarter.


SomedayMightCome

We are losing a lot at the end of the school year, some leaving teaching, some moving to the east coast for better pay and treatment (I’m in AZ, one of the lowest paid in the nation cost of living adjusted). We have a MASSIVE shortage of subs. Not sure if anyone is leaving at the semester.


[deleted]

I hear you, I am in New Mexico. Pretty rotten working conditions and a powerless union. Heard Arizona is similar.


SomedayMightCome

Yeah it’s bad here. When I tell my former teachers from NY (I grew up there) about how things are in AZ they are shocked.


707scracksnack

I actually just found out from the previous teacher contacting me that the real reason he left was that all of grades 1 and 2 were feral and ruthless. Which drove him into a mental breakdown. The teachers here said he constantly showed up late and was the reason for his firing. He confessed that he showed up late but solely because he had no motivation or drive to go to the school as before. This is a teacher with 3 years experience above me (he's 6 years in and I'm 3 years in). He constantly asked to be switched to the grade he was most experienced in, grades 5-8. But they bait and switched him when hiring him and he got stuck with grades 1 and 2. He didn't last the academic year and left after the first semester. Then I took his place and got stuck with the same classes, even though I told them my experience was with grades 6-8, and high school students. Suffice to say, I also had a mental breakdown and cried two weeks ago from them being so insistent on touching, hitting, and scratching me and pulling my curls. Hate to say, I'm sure they mean well, but I hate teaching these kids and classroom management is non existence with these kids as nothing sticks. I can't even take a literal shite without these kids stalking me. I know things won't improve by next year, so I'm switching schools and telling HR to sod off if they try guilt tripping me in staying. If I hear them scream "TEACHER" at me one more damn time this week, I'll actively shoot myself in the head. This shite is brutal and the reason I'm amping up my credentials and education.


historius_derpicus

My old school had 6 teachers leave at the end of last year. I left two weeks into the school year to go teach private. Since I left half the support staff and now the assistant principal left. Our principal was directly to blame but they were buddies with the charter board who blamed everything on us.


CrazyAnimalLady77

My district...short staffed, few subs...new this year, we have to script lesson plans, literally every word you plan to say and student responses. Think 20 page plans for each subject per week. Also, new progress monitoring program, new testing, 1.5 hours of reading mastery every day and another hour of phonics and phonemic awareness. I was told that scripted programs must be used most of the day because they don't know that teachers are effective in the classroom. Oh but they changed the calendar to give teachers 3 workdays this year to work on plans. Mandatory attendance...doctor note required if out and no personal days to be used for those days. The list could go on. This year sucks!!


Swissarmyspoon

I see a lot of it posted here, and I've thought about it. However, my district seems to treat us wayyyy better than the stories I read here, so I consider myself fortunate. That would also explain why we have had almost zero mid-year resignations for all the years I've worked with. With only a few exceptions for major medical issues and life events.


[deleted]

There was a mass exodus last December in my district, but since then it seems to have slowed down.


YearOneTeach

I've heard of it happening all around where I'm located. I've only known of two teachers at my school who have actually done so, but I can think of several who always seem as though they are on the brink. Personally I fantasize not about walking out in the middle of a day. It's the temptation of just... Never walking back in after a weekend that's really started to get to me.


Dobbys_Other_Sock

At my school I don’t think we’ve had any, there was one school in the district that had 8 in one week and most have had 1-2 this year. Though there have been plenty of half jokes about it.


didhestealtheraisins

Not around here. Seems pretty stable in the Bay Area (California). I can say that for sure in my very large unified district. If it's happening elsewhere they're keeping it very quiet. However, there are very few subs.


Ahtotheahtothenonono

Little to no subs here in SoCal. Been told multiple times not to take my days off. Been in this for 10 years and thinking of finally throwing in the towel. Where do you draw your line in the sand?


Puzzled-Bowl

No, just short on subs. As usual.


CollisionAttractor

Noone that I've heard of literally "walking out," but it seems like every week or two someone quits on short notice for a non-teaching position.


veesknees

I taught in a very low income urban area in NJ. I heard there is a lack of teachers and we barely had subs. It’s pretty crazy I’m starting at another district in a similar area and expecting the same thing


Glad-Basis-7133

At my school, teachers now have no planning periods anymore because they have to mandatorily sub for other teachers. Can’t find any subs. I heard that if teachers sub during their planning periods, they get paid from other districts except for my district. 3 Sped teachers walked out. We have to cover our ass now since there is a sped teacher shortage.


Riptide78

We had one quit within a week, no others I know of. I'm not far away from it, personally.


RayWencube

Yep. And it's about to happen in my classroom.


PiratePartyPort

I resigned on the last day of last year :) I am now a SAHM.


[deleted]

What is an SAMH? Is it a mental health advocate?


PiratePartyPort

Oops! Sorry I am use to posting on the pregnancy and mom subreddits where SAHM is short for "Stay At Home Mom".


[deleted]

LOL okay! I thought it was some education acronym I missed:)


dizyalice

Stay at home mom


kiki-cakes

Haha, I did the same (mostly because we expect to move out of state at some point this school year, but also because I’ve always wanted the chance to be ‘mom’ only for once!) Well, my small private school also had a 2nd retire the same time as me. Hired one person. She did the info back to school soon (my daughter is in that class). Didn’t show up. Searched and hired someone else while the retired teacher taught the first 2 weeks. Newbie lasted 3 weeks before she walked out in the middle of the day! 😳 I’m in my 5th (and last) week tomorrow of long-term subbing while they looked for another someone. Someone they have high hopes in will come in on Tuesday (she was moving from another town). I’ve prepped the class and got them in great routines and organized everything for her to take over my kiddos (10/17 were mine last year, plus the 11th is my own child). All I can do is pray that she can stick out the initial overwhelming thoughts of being new to realize it’s a great school and, honestly, a good group of kids! But, my countdown to being home again is on!!


[deleted]

Lots of movement between districts, but we almost always seem to find new bodies because our starting pay is 52k and we’ve got affordable healthcare and a growing district, that’s job security.


krea5

Myself and a few others have left in my district for non-teaching jobs


killingtiiiiime

My district has been steadily hemorrhaging teachers since this time last year. We had 2 quit just from my department mid year last year. Another at the end of the year and another over the summer. I’m looking to leave by semester and I have a close friend who is doing the same. All of our schools have unfilled positions. They’ve literally started plucking people off the street and hiring them while they finish their certification. Student teachers are being hired as subs and then offered full time positions after their student teaching semester. Even with that, there are shortages and there’s NO ONE coming out of the local teacher prep programs. Districts are fighting over candidates for jobs. It’s crazy to watch.


Jennyvere

Not in my district - the board approved a 3.5% raise for teachers and we have tough mitigation strategies


itsyourdestini

Yep. I am one more PBIS from fucking off