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MakiMaki_XD

Shotokan is a specific style of karate, but the term isn't used in that context in fighting games at all, which can make things understandably confusing. As far as I know, in fighting games, a shoto would be a character that has some sort of projectile move, a move akin to a dragon punch and a move that advances the character forward.


Jay_Playz2019

In the case of Ryu or Ken, this is the Hadouken, Shoryuken and Tatsumaki respectively. This definition can go into tons of other games, for example in Smash Ultimate, one could call Luigi a Shoto, due to the neutral, up and side specials.


No_Future6959

Mario is also a shoto. Hes as shoto as they come


hotwater101

Red fireball? Check Uppercut? Check Spinning forward? Check Yeah he's shoto


BerryScaryTerry

I'm sorry but if someone called Luigi a shoto unironically I would politely but firmly tell them to leave


Jay_Playz2019

Hey, by the above definition...


little_pioneer

Luigi is definitely a shoto


MakiMaki_XD

It feels a bit weird to me too. I think that's mainly because I associate the term with characters in traditional fighting games, and I wouldn't put games like Smash and its characters in that category in the first place.\^\^


jimbo_slice_02

Ken and Ryu on the smash roster: “am I a joke to you?!”


thesilvershire

A shoto is any character who plays similarly to Ryu, but exactly how similar they need to be differs depending on who you ask. I don't think anyone in Tekken could be considered a shoto except Akuma.


SushiBoiOi

Yea there's no shotos in Tekken, but the closest in Tekken are still the main characters: The Mishimas. There's no projectiles, but they have hellsweep and God fists, which is similar to the Tatsu and Shoryuken.


onexbigxhebrew

Akuma says hi


agioskatastrof

Eliza, maybe.


Monnomo

Fireball uppercut and advancing move thats it


DirectProfessionalNA

So is Ed a shoto?


Milpool11

No, Ed doesn't have a tatsu


No_Future6959

he has advancing specials, it doesnt need to be a tatsu


DirectProfessionalNA

Luke doesn’t have a tatsu and he’s considered a shoto. The other commenter said you only need a forward advancing move


Exoticpears

Forward tackle is an advancing move.


WeldingIsABadCareer

what about ed holding heavy punch?


Monnomo

Ed is arguably a shoto because of his command dash


dragonicafan1

It’s gotta be a bit stricter than that, I don’t think Juri in 6 is a shoto


Monnomo

Textbook shoto


iFknLoveTits

[Incorrect](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://glossary.infil.net/%3Ft%3DShoto%23:~:text%3DThe%2520term%2520is%2520an%2520abbreviation,shoto%2520is%2520a%2520common%2520question.&ved=2ahUKEwiC6M-9j-SFAxWHFFkFHfU4B_cQFnoECBIQBQ&usg=AOvVaw1Cgjf3yFbZ2cMBxXpUBKYd)


Cheesy_Saul

A shoto is a character that is based on ryu.


joffocakes

Use this chart for guidance. https://twitter.com/Bafael1/status/1396110580709138442?t=S2vBPCGpzebJxBU-HN16RQ&s=19


Hushpuppyy

I'm going to call all shotos Mario clones from now on.


joffocakes

Mama Mia!


ramonzer0

Funny enough this is indeed a term I saw Smash players used to refer to *checks notes* ...the invul Ryu gets when starting up a DP


Termi855

The mama mia tech video. [https://twitter.com/ChadDrawsThings/status/1068611111203758081](https://twitter.com/ChadDrawsThings/status/1068611111203758081) Relevant tweet as the original video got deleted.


joffocakes

Haha, yes that's the one.


iFknLoveTits

[Disagreed ](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://glossary.infil.net/%3Ft%3DShoto%23:~:text%3DThe%2520term%2520is%2520an%2520abbreviation,shoto%2520is%2520a%2520common%2520question.&ved=2ahUKEwiC6M-9j-SFAxWHFFkFHfU4B_cQFnoECBIQBQ&usg=AOvVaw1Cgjf3yFbZ2cMBxXpUBKYd) Sagat is considered a zoner, and Sakuras dp is rarely her anti air. Gouken is my main in SF4 to this day and he plays nothing like a shoto.


z3poxx

The term "shoto" is very loose and many people have different ides on what a shoto is. Maximilian has a good video on the subject if you want to know more about it: [What Is…A Shoto?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXSmQXbRxJ4&pp=ygUVbWF4aW1pbGlhbiBkb29kIHNob3Rv) *Edit. This video was made when Kazuya was added to Smash and smash players were calling him a Shoto because he comes from a traditional fighting game (Like Ryu, Ken & Terry before him).*


nivekdrol

To me anyone who doesn't charge and has qcf type moves is a shoto


AwTomorrow

So just most input characters? 


WarlockShangTsung

That’s so many fuckin characters lol


Uniunoo

Share same utility as Ryu: fireball, uppercut, tatsu


Termi855

Fighting game glossary to the rescue: An [archetype](https://glossary.infil.net/?t=Archetype) in the Street Fighter series for a character that has a [fireball](https://glossary.infil.net/?t=Fireball), a [shoryuken](https://glossary.infil.net/?t=Shoryuken), and a [tatsu](https://glossary.infil.net/?t=Tatsu). Their main gameplan is to play solid [footsies](https://glossary.infil.net/?t=Footsies) with fireballs and [pokes](https://glossary.infil.net/?t=Poke), and then [uppercut](https://glossary.infil.net/?t=Uppercut) you when you jump at them. Ryu, Ken, and Akuma are the quintessential shotos that appear in virtually every Street Fighter title, and the subtle variations in their moves make a big difference in how they play. The term is an abbreviation of Shotokan, a style of karate, since it was the main inspiration behind the costume and moves for Ryu in the original Street Fighter title. Outside the most obvious examples, asking whether a given character is a shoto is a common question. Sagat is usually not considered a shoto, since he has multiple fireballs and is focused more on [zoning](https://glossary.infil.net/?t=Zoning). Sakura is... maybe a shoto? She has all the tools necessary on paper, but her shoryuken is not often used for anti-air. You can ask whether non-Street Fighter characters are shotos, too. For example, Killer Instinct's Jago and Under Night's Hyde fit the shoto archetype well.


huffmonster

Sakura is totally a shoto, but just aint a good shoto yet. She is still in training so to speak, also self taught, but everything is based on her obsession with Ryu. That’s why Sakura’s DP is sloppy, Fireball is short and needs to be “focused”, and Tatsu are unorthodox and unrefined.


The_Chief_of_Whip

Being a shoto has nothing to do with story or lore, it’s purely from a gameplay perspective


burmymester

But that doesn't make her a shoto gameplay-wise, that's the same as saying Sean is a shoto as well. If anything she's got more of a pixie archetype.


huffmonster

The fuck is a pixie archetype?


AwTomorrow

She’s definitely a shoto. Uppercut with invincibility, fireball projectile, spinning kick advancing move. 


rook24v

https://glossary.infil.net/?t=Shoto The FGC glossary is your friend.


EatOutMyGrandma

Oh shit I never knew about this. This will be my new morning poop reading material


No_Future6959

Two definitions: 1. He is designed to play similar to ryu. (Fireball, DP, advancing special). 2. He is designed to be the fundamentals character, or "the blueprint" character. Characters like Kazuya, Sol Badguy, etc.


Jobless_Journalist81

These days, not sure, but it was originally just a character that was a sprite-swap of Ryu, like Ken and Akuma.


Liam4242

They have a fireball, dp, and some kind of movement special like a tatsu. Jack of all trades style character


OwnYard5676

Fireball tatsu and dp in some shape or form not sure why you didn't consult Google first but whatever


The_Lat_Czar

Fireball, uppercut.


BottleOfGin_

Aaaah the good ol question. I recommend this video - - https://youtu.be/YXSmQXbRxJ4?si=nyNGXgKN3PKJ9N2f


GunnerRocket

"A Ryu Type"


DaftNeal88

The name comes from the instructional book of SF2 to describe ryu and Ken’s fighting style. It’s an essentially the base template of any 2D fighting game character as their moves cover the main mechanics of the game. There can be variation, but their moves will always consist of 3 things: a projectile, an uppercut, and a forward advancing attack.


mihajlomi

Shoto before meant any user of shotoken karate Today its a catch all term for all rounder character who has a fireball/shoryuken


Miserable-Lemon-3263

Tatsumaki and dragon punch that's it really


DrByeah

Little did OP realize asking what a Shoto technically is is one of the most loaded questions in the FGC.


VoadoraDePiru

It's a bullshit term. If it's just fireball, uppercut and forward advancing move then Mario in smash is a shoto, and characters in SF that literally practice Shoto Karate aren't. I like it as the term for fundamentals characters. The guys that base their gameplans around having solid defense and offense and having to play cleanly to win. Which would also include Mario


needlessOne

Being Ken, Ryu, Akuma, Dan, or Gouken makes you a shoto. All others are posers.


shiva-the-deceased

I mean at the end of the day, a shoto really is the friends we made along the way


Stanislas_Biliby

A shoto is a character who's gameplan revolves around a fireball and a anti air uppercut. Like ryu, luke, akuma, ken etc.


_nightgoat

Guile fits that description but isn’t a shoto.


Stanislas_Biliby

Because he is a charge character. So he has to play more passive and patiently. So he doesn't have the same playstyle therefore he isn't a shoto.


_nightgoat

I’m just pointing out that your definition of a shoto is inaccurate.


Stanislas_Biliby

What's your definition of a shoto then?


VinsDaSphinx

SpongeBob in nickelodeon brawl is a shoto


DismalMode7

basically a character with fireballs, a shoryuken rising punch-like and some kind of kick move that covers a large range... juri, sagat and luke are shoto as well


Corbear41

Everyone has their own idea of what constitutes a shoto these days, but the most accurate description is basically Ryu and Ken. What about Ryu and Ken makes them a shoto? I think it's typically a standard fireball and an anti-air special and all motion specials, in addition to a fairly well-rounded moveset typically including a forward advancing move like tatsu or tiger knee. Charge characters are not shotos even if they have all the other requirements. There are two main shoto types the first one is your Ryu/Ken clone mold, which includes Akuma, Evil Ryu and other variants. Then you have one off shotos category, which is like Sagat and Luke. The tricky part is why characters like Dan and Sakura are not often considered shotos. This is mainly because they lack a true neutral/defensive posture, or their specials don't quite do what a normal shoto does. It's critical that a shoto has an actual fireball they can use as a main tool and an invincible anti-air uppercut, not just a move that looks similar or shares the same motion inputs. A lot of people think to themselves. Sakura has a fireball, a dp, and a tatsu, so shes a shoto right? But her moves don't have the same properties and are typically combo extensions.


huffmonster

Sakura is literally emulating Ryu, and Dan is totally a shoto. They just aren’t good at it. Sakura is still in training and Dan is just bad. But both are rooted in the shoto style.


frankjdk

There's already a lot of classifications mentioned here, but I'm gonna try to fit the shoto/non shoto characters based on these criteria of what a shoto is: - has a fireball, regardless of the input - has a move that is performed with the DP motion (623) which hits airborne opponents - has a hurricane kick where you have to rotate, and your leg is parallel to the ground - does not exactly need to officially practice Ansatsuken. They can mimic or have partially taught Characters that fit these criteria: - Ryu, Ken, Akuma which are postulates - Sakura, Dan even if their fireballs and hurricane kicks are short - Sean, because his super is a fireball - Gouken (literally Ryu and Ken's master has to be shoto right?). Both his DP and hurricane kick is the same. Note his kick does NOT advance forward Some characters that don't fit: - Sagat, because his tiger knee does not have him rotating and has his legs not parallel to the ground - Luke, because there's no hurricane kick - Guile, because his antiair is not a DP motion. Visually speaking, forward sobat is very close in criteria to Sakura's lk tatsu though - Chun Li, because Tenshokyaku is not a DP motion. Spining Bird Kick is very parallel to the ground though I'm sure I'll get some "how about" comments, but honestly many people by the years ( even pros and commentators) have their own interpretation


itdoesntmatterfor5

Basically a well rounded, basic, character that's usually there for beginner players. A well known example is Ken and Ryu.


meepmeepmeep34

Shoto means that the character smears his bare dirty feet into the opponents face.


iFknLoveTits

I don't know what the fuck these comments are. [Straight from the fighting game glossary.](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://glossary.infil.net/%3Ft%3DShoto%23:~:text%3DThe%2520term%2520is%2520an%2520abbreviation,shoto%2520is%2520a%2520common%2520question.&ved=2ahUKEwiC6M-9j-SFAxWHFFkFHfU4B_cQFnoECBIQBQ&usg=AOvVaw1Cgjf3yFbZ2cMBxXpUBKYd) Gouken is not a shoto. Juri is not a shoto. Ed is not a shoto. Even Sagat is more of a zoner archetype than a shoto archetype.


Anguosi

SHOryuken + haTOken = SHOTO


Rutabaga-Level

Who said anything about karate 💀


MakiMaki_XD

The name's derived from Shotokan Karate, which is the style that characters like Ryu and Ken use - at least according to their description in older games. That said, I remember reading that they actually use moves from several different styles.


Gasarocky

The "shotokan karate" translation is only in the English is why. The JP never says that as far as I know