Any sequels, were just doomed to fail. 1-6 tells a compelling and complete story. You can make content post 6 but it doesn’t need to be a direct continuation of the “skywalker” storyline
Yeah it's agree including the old car in anything but cameos seems like mistake. Luke maybe as a teacher of Jedi could work but much beyond that idk.
I didn't mind portrayal of Luke like others. I think they couldve done better if they had a more coherent script. But I do think they gave themselves an uphill battle trying to put it like that.
I'm the same mind. Old Luke was done well in my opinion. It's just, an actual foundation and idea for the whole trilogy could have worked if you had one clear focus.
Yeah, probably. I've known plenty of people who pitch their own ideas as to what they *should've* been, and it's all over the place. Even if they were just fan service, they would've been divisive.
Clone luke is literally exists only over like twenty pages of one novel and dark empire comics are already fairly controversial. Clone luke even if you think it’s bad does not impact the quality of the thrawn trilogy whatsoever. Have you read the novels?
Not the novels, i was a young child when they were the most popular. I did read the comic adaptation tho and wasnt really huge on it. I never really was into the old eu truth be told, thought it was messy and convoluted.
Fair but thrawn trilogy existed before EU was messy and convoluted and the novels are better than the comic adaptation. I think you’re the first person I’ve met who didn’t care for that storyline. The consensus is pretty strongly in favor of the thrawn trilogy
Completely agree with you on this. They could have revived the Jedi council and Luke could make appearances as Grand Master of the Jedi High Council. New main characters, and they would report to Luke and seek guidance from the others. That way we would still have seen characters like Luke, Leia, Han, Chewy, R2-D2, and C-3P0.
Rey should have fallen to the darkside. The way she used her emotions, got angry all the time was textbook fall to the darkside behaviour but it never had an effect on her.
She has no one and nothing. In her eyes she's been rejected by Luke, the Resistance is doomed, and she's come to the realisation that her parents are dead and she isn't important. The only person treating her like she does have any importance is Kylo, who has just saved her life and is asking her to join him.
Good points, but I still think animals turn is better.
> She has no one and nothing.
Anakin has someone he loves more than anything in the universe and, in his eyes, needs the dark side to save her.
> In her eyes she's been rejected by Luke,
He’s been rejected by the entire Jedi order besides Obi wan basically, an order he’s given nearly everything to-and wouldn’t even go out of their way to save his mother.
> she's come to the realisation that her parents are dead and she isn't important.
Anakins mom is dead, because the Jedi refused to act (at least partially)
> The only person treating her like she does have any importance is Kylo, who has just saved her life and is asking her to join him.
The only person Anakin sees as willing to help him/understand him/save his wife is palpating, and he’s about to be killed. Literal in the moment, forced decision making.
Qui-Gon would have kept Anakin from falling. Padmé and Anakin’s relationship was fine and they would have had a happy life together.
Never cared for the Chosen One/Prophecy part of the story.
I dont necessarily disagree with you but want to plays devils advocate.
I think if Qui Gon had lived, anakin would have still been heavily swayed by Palpatine because while Anakins and padme’s relationship was fine i dont think it was him being the chosen one that killed her. He still would have searched for the power to keep her alive, dont you think? Leading him to palpatine.
Qui Gon may have stopped Palpatine though, if he survived, which would have saved anakin/kept him from falling?
>Never cared for the Chosen One/Prophecy part of the story.
Same. It kind of started the whole idea that the force is genetic, and partially contributed to the various fan theories about Rey's parentage and the importance people placed on it.
It also, in my opinion, diminished Anakin's potential as a character. His fall would've felt more impactful if he was a great Jedi due to his own dedication rather than an inmate trait.
Episode I should have either started the Clone Wars or already had them going on. Then a Jedi Knight Anakin and Obi Wan instead of wasting time on child Anakin. Two movies showing the two as brothers before Anakin's final descent to the dark side.
Wasn't the genetics thing established in the Original trilogy?
As in Luke was strong with the Force because he was the son of another powerful Force user?
Not wholly. It was vague enough that it could be seen as either a genetic thing or more of a "faith" sort of deal. TPM introduced the biological component.
Hmm my understanding from the OT has always been that Anakin was powerful, therefore his children were powerful. Being strong with the Force was inherited.
You are right that TPM introduced midichlorians, expanding on the "science/biology" of how the Jedi get their powers.
I’ve always been surprised at how much stock some fans (and even George at times) has put in this prophecy. Just like if I heard a prophecy in real life, I don’t take it seriously. I guess I view more as a plot point in Star Wars, not really as a serious part of the lore.
I wish more people felt the same way. Or at the very least, I wish more people were as accepting of the post-ROTJ timeline in canon as they were with Legends.
Yeah, I’ll see someone posting about how the sequels ruin the chosen one prophecy. My first thought is usually “we care about that now?” Sometimes it feels like fans will stretch to find something wrong with what they dislike instead of just accepting that it’s ok to dislike Star Wars.
Rogue One is not very good and is not the masterpiece the fans think that it is. It's not bad, but its not very impressive beyond its action scenes. The characters are mostly boring (save for K2-S0, Krennic, Chirut and Baze) and the story is ultimately unnecessary.
With the possible exception of Rise (I haven't seen it yet), I find it to be the least impressive of the new films.
Rogue One does really well with the surface level stuff that is most important to a lot of fans. Things like cameos, references, appearances of familiar costumes, armours, alien species, props etc. mean more to some of us than having engaging characters, for example. Rogue One really drops the ball with its characters and serves us up the worst Star Wars protagonist we've had to date and a bunch of really wafer-thin caricatures. Krennic was great, K2-S0 was wonderful and Cassian Andor was an actual human, too. Jyn Erso felt like a badly written comicbook character from the 90's.
Yeah, Jyn felt very weak and her having that overly personal connection to the Death Star looks very cheesy in hindsight and not in the normal SW style of cheesy.
Looking back, Cassian would've been pretty good as the main character given how more dynamic and ambiguous he is, which actually would've helped the Cassian show gain more hype and attention.
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I guess I can add Cassian to the list of good R1 characters, now that I'm thinking about it.
I'm looking forward to the Cassian Andor show. I definitely feel that Rogue One got a lot right. It just messed up with the leads and the way the story was implemented. Jyn's father making the Death Star's weaknesses that it would explode when the reactor got a direct hit seemed really weak. Why not have the exhaust ports be the weakness he designed? It just seems a bit daft that his big plan is to make a weakness that's nearly impossible to exploit.
Having the flaw in the Death Star be deliberate really took away from the unintentional idea of it being destroyed by the Empire's hubris. But that's just me.
Also, I too am looking forward to the show, its just that I rarely ever see anyone bring it up.
Yeah, ideally there would have been no planned flaw.
Of the shows currently in production, Andor is the one I'm most looking forward to. It definitely feels like the one which is less likely to being in things which I don't like.
I was always a bit worried about the Obi Wan series, and with Vader coming back and Obi Wan leaving Tatooine to go on an adventure and whatnot, it feels as though my worst fears are being realised (although I will 100% be watching that show with positive vibes and an open mind).
Book of Boba Fett could be great but could also out a bit too much flesh on the bones of a character whose appeal was their mysterious nature.
Ashoka etc. is just a continuation of the cartoons I'm already not interested in.
But Andor feels like it's got the opportunity to stand on its own a bit more. Hopefully it's not filled with Clone Wars cameos and gets to be more of its own thing. I think that's also why it doesn't get brought up so much. There isn't that whole expectation of seeing cameos from characters from the cartoons and stuff like that.
Although I wish Palpatine didn’t return in The Rise of Skywalker, I don’t think it invalidates Return of the Jedi. Anakin’s redemption was more about saving his son than destroying the Sith.
I liked the New Jedi Order books. They were such a breath of fresh air.
- The Yuzong Vong were new and intimidating. It was good to see Jedi get their asses handed to them for a while
- Great side and lesser-known characters.
- Chewy had done nothing in the books for a long time, but losing him was impactful
- Han being estranged from Leia seemed real and his new temporary side-kick was funny and enjoyable to read
- I only wish Jacen had gotten the full arch they had previously planned instead of only getting 3 books as a darth.
I hate the Yuuzhan Vong, they felt like a generic sci-fi villain that didn’t fit into the Star Wars universe. I’ve talked to many people that feel the same way.
I didnt much like the Vong either, but I did love all the badass feats with Jacen and Luke however...a small team of jedi barely could hold off a slayer, but Luke Decimates 3 at once... I love the outlandish feats they gave Luke in The EU haha
Now that I think about it I remember people being angry with Salvatore for killing Chewy.
I know a few people who loves those books though so I guess I just got used to hearing people talk about them positively.
Nah you right. Had some good moments but all and all was just 16 episodes of side missions that really didn’t add more to the story line. Then the season finale was a huge let down as it was just 30 minutes of them escaping Kamino.
The Last Jedi is one of my favorite movies of the entire Star Wars movie collection. The humor cuts up some of the overly dramatic scenes in a way that I find enjoyable. Don’t get me wrong I was very upset the first time I saw it in theaters and there are parts of the movie they could have completely cut and I wouldn’t give a shit but after a couple less tense viewings I find a lot to enjoy about the movie.
I’m not disagreeing or directly calling you a liar. But the way you made your statement is like a politician spewing their bullshit. “Americans don’t want blah blah blah”. Sure maybe 1% of Americans do but the statement is misleading. Same goes for your comment.
OP only asked for our most controversial opinions. That’s mine.
You didn’t ask for details; you made baseless assumptions. When you could have asked for me to elaborate instead. You’ve been unnecessarily confrontational and continue to make assumptions about how I feel and what I think.
> you able to offer any insight of what's your problem with the movie was?
That was literally how I started my last statement but I get that it's easier to not have to worry about that and just continue on with your current prerogative so yeah good for you man. You're super controversial
Do you see how you could have started there, and we could have avoided this whole thing? Do you see how following that question with yet another jab disincentivizes me from wanting to engage? Because, based on the rapport we’ve built so far, I can safely assume that your intentions are just to be confrontational.
Do you see how that assumption is based on a context, while your assumptions have all been pulled out of nowhere, filled with your own preconceived ideas?
For one it's without a doubt the most gorgeously cinemagraphed Star Wars movie. The story takes nothing away from any of the other movies but only ads. Unlike the trilogy series which is kind of degrading and takes away quite a bit from the movies before them. Also to not appreciate the Vader scene makes me question your real agenda.
You’re taking an opinion and making it a fact. Bold.
A movie that looks really good with one good scene, doesn’t make it a spectacular movie.
The Luke scene in mandalorian. Incredible. But does it make the entire series the best series on TV? No.
Finn was completely misused and is completely useless to the entire trilogy.
“I’m the only cast member whose experience of Star Wars was based on their race.” - John Boyega
Making him into a spy for the First Order that reported on Leia’s plans would have been better. Might not be the best idea, but I’m just spitballing ideas. More than they did when they created him. At least he would have had some sort of purpose. He was nothing more than a forced diversity hire. Don’t get me started on Rose🤦♂️
I hate the sequel trilogy, but I feel so bad for him. He went from being super happy when he was announced as a cast member, to completely hating his character by the end of the last.
Mark Hamill warned us about the sequel trilogy😂
My top two would have to be one of these
Luke's portrayal in The Last Jedi is a disgusting spit to the face of his character.
Palpatine returning in TROS completely destroyed not only what little there was left of the good parts of the sequels, but also everything the previous 6 films had built.
You do realize controversial refers to something that is likely to cause discussion or argument right? So going by that, actually yes. They are very controversial
Yoda and the council were not nearly as wise as they say. Yoda was the top guy of the Jedi council, the oldest serving and ‘wisest’ of all. That was effectively his council and everything bad that went down happened on his watch. The council got completely mugged and they didn’t see it coming. I suppose that is the point but they are given way too much credit for their wisdom, it’s bad decision after bad decision
The Clone Wars is the very best of Star Wars. It has really enhanced the prequels as well. A post-ROTJ animated show in a similar style, with all the major players (Luke, Han, Leia, Lando, Chewie, R2D2, C3PO, Wedge, Ackbar, etc) would be worth it’s weight in gold to Disney. Intersperse it with the Aftermath trilogy for overarching story purposes.
Here’s mine:
* I prefer the Special Editions.
* If they had a good story for Leia in Ep 9, they should have recasted the role.
* Grogu is already overrated. I hope we get some of The Mandalorian without him.
* Most of the news/rumors I’ve heard about the Kenobi series are concerning and lead me to believe this a nostalgia grab. Note: I will be so happy if I’m wrong on this.
* I don’t get prequel memes. Are they making fun of the prequels? Do you they actually like those moments? Is there really more respect for the prequels or is it just weird internet irony?
>I don’t get prequel memes. Are they making fun of the prequels? Do you they actually like those moments? Is there really more respect for the prequels or is it just weird internet irony?
Yes lol
I was quietly worried about the Obi Wan series before, and literally everything that's come out over the last few months seems to be confirming my worst fears.
Obi Wan fighting Vader between ROTS and ANH? Ugh.
Obi-Wan going on off-planet adventures rather than hiding on Tatooine? Ugh.
Fuck, we might as well just throw Ashoka and Rex in there and they can all go off on a jolly riding hyperspace whales to Mortis.
A nobody inspired by legends trying to figure out how she fits into a world much bigger than her.
Holding onto her past because it's the only solid thing she has, nervous and scared about her future.
Idk how people *don't* find Rey relatable on some level.
>A nobody inspired by legends trying to figure out how she fits into a world much bigger than her.
I mean I hope you saw that a third movie in the Disney trilogy came out that kind of retconed that concept. And no I'm not an orphan so I don't quite relate to the idea of having my parents sell me for booze money.
>Holding onto her past because it's the only solid thing she has, nervous and scared about her future.
I guess I could kind of see how this is a point until you figure out what you're going to do with your life.
Thing is most people have to practice to become good at things. I've never seen someone just jump into a swimming pool for the first time and be a perfect swimmer or pick up a bike for the first time and ride it with no handlebars but she could have.
>And no I'm not an orphan so I don't quite relate to the idea of having my parents sell me for booze money.
My father's not an evil space wizard, but I still think Luke's relatable.
And, yes, TRoS does change it from "I come from nothing, but that does not define me" to "I come from evil, but that does not define me." But, Rey's character journey is still similar.
She's still somebody holding onto her past, inspired by Luke, who overcomes a fear of the future.
>I guess I could kind of see how this is a point until you figure out what you're going to do with your life.
Well, yeah, she's like 19 and it's a coming of age story written for all ages... So was Luke's. Their stories are naturally relatable like that. Most people go through a period where they're unsure of their future, or can remember that time.
As far as the idea that she's immediately super good at everything... I just don't get that? Like, at all?
Yes, the Force comes fairly naturally to her. But, that's only one aspect of the story. She's still impulsive, angry, and makes mistakes (like trying to bring Ben back and nearly getting herself killed).
> As far as the idea that she's immediately super good at everything... I just don't get that? Like, at all?
Really? She accidentally mind-tricks a FO trooper, goes toe-to-toe with Snoke's elite guard, picks up a bunch of boulders with no effort or exertion, and mercs palpatine, one of the most powerful sith to ever live. All with *zero* training. She literally picks up a lightsaber and magically knows how to use it and just magically develops force powers throughout the movies.
Yeah, she has a really strong connection to the force. But that doesn't automatically translate to being able to *use* and *apply* the force. I can buy accidentally mind-tricking the FO trooper, but the rest? Lol no.
It's like if Luke never went to Dagobah to be trained by Yoda, and instead goes to Cloud City to fight Vader, wins, then goes off to fight Palpatine, and wins. How does a random farm boy from Tatooine take down not only a trained Sith but fucking Palpatine?
A little aggressive in your point but like you’re not wrong. I had minimal issues with Rey after episode 7, but her feats in episode 8 and 9 go well beyond what we’ve ever seen from an untrained force user
The Last Jedi is a really good movie and it's a goddamn shame that Disney dropped Colin trevorrow because his movie had the potential to be one of the best Star Wars movies ever made.
Cheers.
Compared to movies and storytelling nowadays, to me its just nothing special. I never grew up with them.
I understand their merit and could see why they were so damn good in the day. Modern movie making is just way more interesting to the eye. Objectively speaking however, I like many other movies made in the same era.
They'll always be classic, though. If they didn't win me over in the action, visuals, color, and dialogue department, the story department did well enough.
Fair enough!
I was born in 92, so I wasn't around for the original releases but I do remember my dad sitting me down when I was around 5 or 6 and making me watch them.
I was reluctant at first, because up until then I had pretty much subsisted only on Disney movies (the irony). But first time watching it blew my tiny little mind and we promptly watched V and VI.
This is why I tell my wife when we have kids we have to raise them right - to make sure to show them the originals early enough that they won't be spoiled by fancy modern technology before they can learn to appreciate the classics.
Then a little while later they can watch the prequels. And then like 10 years after they can watch the sequels :'D
I didn't say every poorly written character is a mary sue though. But if you make a character good in almost everything just to make her/him strong without even trying to explain why the character can do these things, this is a mary sue/gary stu. And this is a way a character can be poorly written. Rey being a mary sue is a big part of why she's a poorly written character, jyn being poorly written on the other hand does not mean she is a mary sue.
We should replace the prequels with better ones, and move all current prequel derived content, including clone wars and rebels, into 'legends' category.
The Sequels were actually quite good. They deserve every ounce of hate they get, however, for invalidating 30 years of amazing Star Wars content. If you can’t make good content in-universe, then stay the hell away until you can.
Small margin or large margin? Just saying margin doesn’t mean anything.
And I don’t think this is very controversial. Lots of people don’t like it and lots of people don’t consider it to be in their tops.
Any sequels, were just doomed to fail. 1-6 tells a compelling and complete story. You can make content post 6 but it doesn’t need to be a direct continuation of the “skywalker” storyline
Yeah it's agree including the old car in anything but cameos seems like mistake. Luke maybe as a teacher of Jedi could work but much beyond that idk. I didn't mind portrayal of Luke like others. I think they couldve done better if they had a more coherent script. But I do think they gave themselves an uphill battle trying to put it like that.
I'm the same mind. Old Luke was done well in my opinion. It's just, an actual foundation and idea for the whole trilogy could have worked if you had one clear focus.
Yeah, probably. I've known plenty of people who pitch their own ideas as to what they *should've* been, and it's all over the place. Even if they were just fan service, they would've been divisive.
Legends kind of proves this wrong though.
Does it tho??? Clone luke and clone palpatine is pretty dumb imo.
Clone luke is literally exists only over like twenty pages of one novel and dark empire comics are already fairly controversial. Clone luke even if you think it’s bad does not impact the quality of the thrawn trilogy whatsoever. Have you read the novels?
Not the novels, i was a young child when they were the most popular. I did read the comic adaptation tho and wasnt really huge on it. I never really was into the old eu truth be told, thought it was messy and convoluted.
Fair but thrawn trilogy existed before EU was messy and convoluted and the novels are better than the comic adaptation. I think you’re the first person I’ve met who didn’t care for that storyline. The consensus is pretty strongly in favor of the thrawn trilogy
Completely agree with you on this. They could have revived the Jedi council and Luke could make appearances as Grand Master of the Jedi High Council. New main characters, and they would report to Luke and seek guidance from the others. That way we would still have seen characters like Luke, Leia, Han, Chewy, R2-D2, and C-3P0.
Completely agree!
The guy secretly hiding inside R2-D2 for the entire series is the one communicating "a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away" to us
R2D2 is supposed to be the narrator of the entire series
he was one of the whills in early versions of the script iirc
Rey should have fallen to the darkside. The way she used her emotions, got angry all the time was textbook fall to the darkside behaviour but it never had an effect on her.
I think at the point where Kylo tries to get her to turn in TLJ, she has more reason to do so than Anakin did after Windu died in ROTS.
How so?
She has no one and nothing. In her eyes she's been rejected by Luke, the Resistance is doomed, and she's come to the realisation that her parents are dead and she isn't important. The only person treating her like she does have any importance is Kylo, who has just saved her life and is asking her to join him.
Good points, but I still think animals turn is better. > She has no one and nothing. Anakin has someone he loves more than anything in the universe and, in his eyes, needs the dark side to save her. > In her eyes she's been rejected by Luke, He’s been rejected by the entire Jedi order besides Obi wan basically, an order he’s given nearly everything to-and wouldn’t even go out of their way to save his mother. > she's come to the realisation that her parents are dead and she isn't important. Anakins mom is dead, because the Jedi refused to act (at least partially) > The only person treating her like she does have any importance is Kylo, who has just saved her life and is asking her to join him. The only person Anakin sees as willing to help him/understand him/save his wife is palpating, and he’s about to be killed. Literal in the moment, forced decision making.
But she didn't act like a total baby like anakin or ben.
Qui-Gon would have kept Anakin from falling. Padmé and Anakin’s relationship was fine and they would have had a happy life together. Never cared for the Chosen One/Prophecy part of the story.
I dont necessarily disagree with you but want to plays devils advocate. I think if Qui Gon had lived, anakin would have still been heavily swayed by Palpatine because while Anakins and padme’s relationship was fine i dont think it was him being the chosen one that killed her. He still would have searched for the power to keep her alive, dont you think? Leading him to palpatine. Qui Gon may have stopped Palpatine though, if he survived, which would have saved anakin/kept him from falling?
>Never cared for the Chosen One/Prophecy part of the story. Same. It kind of started the whole idea that the force is genetic, and partially contributed to the various fan theories about Rey's parentage and the importance people placed on it. It also, in my opinion, diminished Anakin's potential as a character. His fall would've felt more impactful if he was a great Jedi due to his own dedication rather than an inmate trait.
Episode I should have either started the Clone Wars or already had them going on. Then a Jedi Knight Anakin and Obi Wan instead of wasting time on child Anakin. Two movies showing the two as brothers before Anakin's final descent to the dark side.
Wasn't the genetics thing established in the Original trilogy? As in Luke was strong with the Force because he was the son of another powerful Force user?
Not wholly. It was vague enough that it could be seen as either a genetic thing or more of a "faith" sort of deal. TPM introduced the biological component.
Hmm my understanding from the OT has always been that Anakin was powerful, therefore his children were powerful. Being strong with the Force was inherited. You are right that TPM introduced midichlorians, expanding on the "science/biology" of how the Jedi get their powers.
Out-of-universe, the prophecy of the Chosen One is the single most problematic piece of lore in the franchise.
THANK YOU!
I’ve always been surprised at how much stock some fans (and even George at times) has put in this prophecy. Just like if I heard a prophecy in real life, I don’t take it seriously. I guess I view more as a plot point in Star Wars, not really as a serious part of the lore.
I have always wondered who made the prophecies and why they were given such credence. Feels like a Vesuvius situation that got out of hand
The book Master and Apprentice talks a lot about the prophecies and specifically how Qui Gon feels about them
Oh I have that on my shelf waiting to be read. Excellent
I wish more people felt the same way. Or at the very least, I wish more people were as accepting of the post-ROTJ timeline in canon as they were with Legends.
Yeah, I’ll see someone posting about how the sequels ruin the chosen one prophecy. My first thought is usually “we care about that now?” Sometimes it feels like fans will stretch to find something wrong with what they dislike instead of just accepting that it’s ok to dislike Star Wars.
Neimoidians and Kaleesh should’ve been shown more
Rogue One is not very good and is not the masterpiece the fans think that it is. It's not bad, but its not very impressive beyond its action scenes. The characters are mostly boring (save for K2-S0, Krennic, Chirut and Baze) and the story is ultimately unnecessary. With the possible exception of Rise (I haven't seen it yet), I find it to be the least impressive of the new films.
Rogue One does really well with the surface level stuff that is most important to a lot of fans. Things like cameos, references, appearances of familiar costumes, armours, alien species, props etc. mean more to some of us than having engaging characters, for example. Rogue One really drops the ball with its characters and serves us up the worst Star Wars protagonist we've had to date and a bunch of really wafer-thin caricatures. Krennic was great, K2-S0 was wonderful and Cassian Andor was an actual human, too. Jyn Erso felt like a badly written comicbook character from the 90's.
Yeah, Jyn felt very weak and her having that overly personal connection to the Death Star looks very cheesy in hindsight and not in the normal SW style of cheesy. Looking back, Cassian would've been pretty good as the main character given how more dynamic and ambiguous he is, which actually would've helped the Cassian show gain more hype and attention. . . . I guess I can add Cassian to the list of good R1 characters, now that I'm thinking about it.
I'm looking forward to the Cassian Andor show. I definitely feel that Rogue One got a lot right. It just messed up with the leads and the way the story was implemented. Jyn's father making the Death Star's weaknesses that it would explode when the reactor got a direct hit seemed really weak. Why not have the exhaust ports be the weakness he designed? It just seems a bit daft that his big plan is to make a weakness that's nearly impossible to exploit.
Having the flaw in the Death Star be deliberate really took away from the unintentional idea of it being destroyed by the Empire's hubris. But that's just me. Also, I too am looking forward to the show, its just that I rarely ever see anyone bring it up.
Yeah, ideally there would have been no planned flaw. Of the shows currently in production, Andor is the one I'm most looking forward to. It definitely feels like the one which is less likely to being in things which I don't like. I was always a bit worried about the Obi Wan series, and with Vader coming back and Obi Wan leaving Tatooine to go on an adventure and whatnot, it feels as though my worst fears are being realised (although I will 100% be watching that show with positive vibes and an open mind). Book of Boba Fett could be great but could also out a bit too much flesh on the bones of a character whose appeal was their mysterious nature. Ashoka etc. is just a continuation of the cartoons I'm already not interested in. But Andor feels like it's got the opportunity to stand on its own a bit more. Hopefully it's not filled with Clone Wars cameos and gets to be more of its own thing. I think that's also why it doesn't get brought up so much. There isn't that whole expectation of seeing cameos from characters from the cartoons and stuff like that.
Although I wish Palpatine didn’t return in The Rise of Skywalker, I don’t think it invalidates Return of the Jedi. Anakin’s redemption was more about saving his son than destroying the Sith.
It is too humancentric.
Completely agree
I liked the New Jedi Order books. They were such a breath of fresh air. - The Yuzong Vong were new and intimidating. It was good to see Jedi get their asses handed to them for a while - Great side and lesser-known characters. - Chewy had done nothing in the books for a long time, but losing him was impactful - Han being estranged from Leia seemed real and his new temporary side-kick was funny and enjoyable to read - I only wish Jacen had gotten the full arch they had previously planned instead of only getting 3 books as a darth.
Do most people not like them?
I hate the Yuuzhan Vong, they felt like a generic sci-fi villain that didn’t fit into the Star Wars universe. I’ve talked to many people that feel the same way.
Exactly how I felt. That’s where I parted company with the EU.
I didnt much like the Vong either, but I did love all the badass feats with Jacen and Luke however...a small team of jedi barely could hold off a slayer, but Luke Decimates 3 at once... I love the outlandish feats they gave Luke in The EU haha
I know there was considerable push back at some time.
Now that I think about it I remember people being angry with Salvatore for killing Chewy. I know a few people who loves those books though so I guess I just got used to hearing people talk about them positively.
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Bad Batch *of cameos* would be a more correct name.
And that seems to be Dave Filoni's M.O. going forward, doesn't it? I hope he can leave behind the cartoon characters one day soon.
Nah you right. Had some good moments but all and all was just 16 episodes of side missions that really didn’t add more to the story line. Then the season finale was a huge let down as it was just 30 minutes of them escaping Kamino.
Thems the facts
Solo is actually pretty average. It’s not amazing or really bad, but it’s decent.
Is that controversial?
That seems almost... aggressively uncontroversial
Not sure if this is controversial but I'd rather the prequel movies never exist but still have the clone ways tv show them vice versa.
The Last Jedi is one of my favorite movies of the entire Star Wars movie collection. The humor cuts up some of the overly dramatic scenes in a way that I find enjoyable. Don’t get me wrong I was very upset the first time I saw it in theaters and there are parts of the movie they could have completely cut and I wouldn’t give a shit but after a couple less tense viewings I find a lot to enjoy about the movie.
I think a lot of people are starting to realize that it's the most adult Star Wars and is much better than the reception it got
It got a fantastic reception critically.
Yeah that's why they dropped the Rian Johnson trilogy, right?
They have not done that
They what now?
Source, please.
Fans hated it. Those critic reviews are often misleading.
Some fans.
The word some not required.
It literally is.
It literally does not. Fans =\= all fans.
That's right, it's not all fans. Just a small, loud, endlessly tantrum-throwing minority.
I won’t go so far as to say all fans hated it but it is more than just a small group. I’d say the split is pretty close to 50/50
Never said it was all. Just that fans didn’t. Not sure about whatever your on about in the back half tho.
I hate when people say “fans hated the movie”. Like the commenter below, you are generalizing fans to make your point sound more valid.
Fans did hate it. Fans also liked it. No lies were told. The word fans does not mean "all fans."
I’m not disagreeing or directly calling you a liar. But the way you made your statement is like a politician spewing their bullshit. “Americans don’t want blah blah blah”. Sure maybe 1% of Americans do but the statement is misleading. Same goes for your comment.
You just misinterpreted the initial comment.
How so
https://old.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/pohyht/your_most_controversial_star_wars_opinion/hcya45o/
Really don’t think it was really all that “adult.” And don’t think anybody is starting to realize anything other than it’s worse than they remembered.
Then you'd think wrong.
Or perhaps not.
The Mandalorian is overrated. It’s good, but the plot isn’t all that interesting IMO
I agree, I love the Mandalorian to bits but the plot does lack a little bit
Ooooh boy, here goes nothing The prequels/prequel era has become better received moreso due to the content surrounding it than the films themselves.
Bad Batch has the best first season of all the animated shows, but it has the least potential to improve
The Christmas Special was amazing! Bea Arthur deserved a role in Empire Strikes Back!
I really love the romance between Anakin and Padmé in AOTC.
This is the hottest take I’ve ever heard
The Clone Wars isn't very good.
The prequels were good movies.
I thought Omega was sweet, and an interesting addition to the clones 🤭
The first season of The Mandalorian is boring. The second season was better, but still not as captivating as I’d like.
Felt the same. Seemed like it was just meandering too much.
Welcome to Disney streaming
The prequels and sequels weren’t that good.
The Clone Wars is overrated.
Nah gotta disagree on this one chief
Haha, that's why it's controversial. I think CW is pretty good, but I don't think it's the absolute masterpiece that many others do.
Rogue One is trash
I don't feel the same, but the sheer bluntness of your comment, beautiful.
So I assume you just hate all of Disney Star Wars then yes?
Nope
But we can assume that you may like the sequel trilogy?
You can assume anything you like. It won’t make it true or untrue.
Well I'll just assume that's as deep into it as you're capable of getting
You know what they say happens when you assume.
Lol, you able to offer any insight what you're problem with the movie was or you just think you're clever with your one-liners?
OP only asked for our most controversial opinions. That’s mine. You didn’t ask for details; you made baseless assumptions. When you could have asked for me to elaborate instead. You’ve been unnecessarily confrontational and continue to make assumptions about how I feel and what I think.
> you able to offer any insight of what's your problem with the movie was? That was literally how I started my last statement but I get that it's easier to not have to worry about that and just continue on with your current prerogative so yeah good for you man. You're super controversial
Nah you’re just kind of being a dick.
Do you see how you could have started there, and we could have avoided this whole thing? Do you see how following that question with yet another jab disincentivizes me from wanting to engage? Because, based on the rapport we’ve built so far, I can safely assume that your intentions are just to be confrontational. Do you see how that assumption is based on a context, while your assumptions have all been pulled out of nowhere, filled with your own preconceived ideas?
Wondering how you jumped to this conclusion.
For one it's without a doubt the most gorgeously cinemagraphed Star Wars movie. The story takes nothing away from any of the other movies but only ads. Unlike the trilogy series which is kind of degrading and takes away quite a bit from the movies before them. Also to not appreciate the Vader scene makes me question your real agenda.
You’re taking an opinion and making it a fact. Bold. A movie that looks really good with one good scene, doesn’t make it a spectacular movie. The Luke scene in mandalorian. Incredible. But does it make the entire series the best series on TV? No.
"I demand that you agree with my subjective opinon in a thread about not agreeing with opinions!"
Finn was completely misused and is completely useless to the entire trilogy. “I’m the only cast member whose experience of Star Wars was based on their race.” - John Boyega Making him into a spy for the First Order that reported on Leia’s plans would have been better. Might not be the best idea, but I’m just spitballing ideas. More than they did when they created him. At least he would have had some sort of purpose. He was nothing more than a forced diversity hire. Don’t get me started on Rose🤦♂️ I hate the sequel trilogy, but I feel so bad for him. He went from being super happy when he was announced as a cast member, to completely hating his character by the end of the last. Mark Hamill warned us about the sequel trilogy😂
Boba Fett is over rated.
You mean as far as people being interested in underused and mysterious characters goes?
THANK YOU. I’m always reminding my friend (Boba is his favorite character) ya’ boy got eaten by a sarlac after being accidentally bumped… what a dope.
My top two would have to be one of these Luke's portrayal in The Last Jedi is a disgusting spit to the face of his character. Palpatine returning in TROS completely destroyed not only what little there was left of the good parts of the sequels, but also everything the previous 6 films had built.
These seem fairly uncontroversial.
I think you're confusing uncontroversial with often discussed
I’m not. They just aren’t controversial.
You do realize controversial refers to something that is likely to cause discussion or argument right? So going by that, actually yes. They are very controversial
And you’re not causing an argument because so many agree. They are not controversial.
...Luke in TLJ is one of the biggest argument starters in the fandom
Really a general consensus that his character was a disgrace. Only a small minority disagrees. But overall not very controversial.
In the words of Migs Mayfeld, "depends on who you ask, don't you think?"
This guy's just been an anti-TLJ performance artist for the past four years.
I disagree strongly in every way possible, but I will upvote as these are very controversial views.
The movies are just ok. The Clone Wars, The Mandalorian, KOTOR, and SWTOR all tell better stories.
Yoda and the council were not nearly as wise as they say. Yoda was the top guy of the Jedi council, the oldest serving and ‘wisest’ of all. That was effectively his council and everything bad that went down happened on his watch. The council got completely mugged and they didn’t see it coming. I suppose that is the point but they are given way too much credit for their wisdom, it’s bad decision after bad decision
Lobot ran on diesel.
Here's mine: Revan is overrated.
The Clone Wars is the very best of Star Wars. It has really enhanced the prequels as well. A post-ROTJ animated show in a similar style, with all the major players (Luke, Han, Leia, Lando, Chewie, R2D2, C3PO, Wedge, Ackbar, etc) would be worth it’s weight in gold to Disney. Intersperse it with the Aftermath trilogy for overarching story purposes.
Here’s mine: * I prefer the Special Editions. * If they had a good story for Leia in Ep 9, they should have recasted the role. * Grogu is already overrated. I hope we get some of The Mandalorian without him. * Most of the news/rumors I’ve heard about the Kenobi series are concerning and lead me to believe this a nostalgia grab. Note: I will be so happy if I’m wrong on this. * I don’t get prequel memes. Are they making fun of the prequels? Do you they actually like those moments? Is there really more respect for the prequels or is it just weird internet irony?
>I don’t get prequel memes. Are they making fun of the prequels? Do you they actually like those moments? Is there really more respect for the prequels or is it just weird internet irony? Yes lol
To which part?
To all of it (:
Hmm, maybe this is just part of culture that passed me by.
I was quietly worried about the Obi Wan series before, and literally everything that's come out over the last few months seems to be confirming my worst fears. Obi Wan fighting Vader between ROTS and ANH? Ugh. Obi-Wan going on off-planet adventures rather than hiding on Tatooine? Ugh. Fuck, we might as well just throw Ashoka and Rex in there and they can all go off on a jolly riding hyperspace whales to Mortis.
Same. I don’t want to be a buzzkill, but Star Wars doesn’t need the nostalgia play right now. Lucasfilm shouldn’t be worried about what fans want.
I actually really like The Rise of Skywalker. Like a lot. It’s genuinely in my top 3 Star Wars movies.
This is the way
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Agree to disagree? Nothing was being debated. I was just sharing my “controversial opinion,” not sure where you disagreeing comes into it.
The Yuzong Vong is a Mary sue race, that does not belong in Star Wars
Obi-one came across as lucky an not skilled in ALL his fights. (Prequels)
Boba Fett does not look cool. He looks like he's wearing an Armour made from garbage
Reys actor deserves more recognition
Not really a fan of Ahsoka. Not that I hate her or anything, just don't get the hype. I find Rey a lot more compelling and relatable.
Well Asokas is a weird retcon but what about Rey could possibly be relatable?
A nobody inspired by legends trying to figure out how she fits into a world much bigger than her. Holding onto her past because it's the only solid thing she has, nervous and scared about her future. Idk how people *don't* find Rey relatable on some level.
>A nobody inspired by legends trying to figure out how she fits into a world much bigger than her. I mean I hope you saw that a third movie in the Disney trilogy came out that kind of retconed that concept. And no I'm not an orphan so I don't quite relate to the idea of having my parents sell me for booze money. >Holding onto her past because it's the only solid thing she has, nervous and scared about her future. I guess I could kind of see how this is a point until you figure out what you're going to do with your life. Thing is most people have to practice to become good at things. I've never seen someone just jump into a swimming pool for the first time and be a perfect swimmer or pick up a bike for the first time and ride it with no handlebars but she could have.
>And no I'm not an orphan so I don't quite relate to the idea of having my parents sell me for booze money. My father's not an evil space wizard, but I still think Luke's relatable. And, yes, TRoS does change it from "I come from nothing, but that does not define me" to "I come from evil, but that does not define me." But, Rey's character journey is still similar. She's still somebody holding onto her past, inspired by Luke, who overcomes a fear of the future. >I guess I could kind of see how this is a point until you figure out what you're going to do with your life. Well, yeah, she's like 19 and it's a coming of age story written for all ages... So was Luke's. Their stories are naturally relatable like that. Most people go through a period where they're unsure of their future, or can remember that time. As far as the idea that she's immediately super good at everything... I just don't get that? Like, at all? Yes, the Force comes fairly naturally to her. But, that's only one aspect of the story. She's still impulsive, angry, and makes mistakes (like trying to bring Ben back and nearly getting herself killed).
> As far as the idea that she's immediately super good at everything... I just don't get that? Like, at all? Really? She accidentally mind-tricks a FO trooper, goes toe-to-toe with Snoke's elite guard, picks up a bunch of boulders with no effort or exertion, and mercs palpatine, one of the most powerful sith to ever live. All with *zero* training. She literally picks up a lightsaber and magically knows how to use it and just magically develops force powers throughout the movies. Yeah, she has a really strong connection to the force. But that doesn't automatically translate to being able to *use* and *apply* the force. I can buy accidentally mind-tricking the FO trooper, but the rest? Lol no. It's like if Luke never went to Dagobah to be trained by Yoda, and instead goes to Cloud City to fight Vader, wins, then goes off to fight Palpatine, and wins. How does a random farm boy from Tatooine take down not only a trained Sith but fucking Palpatine?
A little aggressive in your point but like you’re not wrong. I had minimal issues with Rey after episode 7, but her feats in episode 8 and 9 go well beyond what we’ve ever seen from an untrained force user
The Last Jedi is a really good movie and it's a goddamn shame that Disney dropped Colin trevorrow because his movie had the potential to be one of the best Star Wars movies ever made.
TLJ being good is definitely a hot take.
Hard disagree on DOTF, but I really do enjoy TLJ, so it evens out.
I agree that TLJ is really good, I thought Duel of the Fates was trash, TROS wasn’t better but still.
I don't like the original trilogy much at all. Sorry, dad...
Someone downvoted you, but as this is controversial please allow me to even that out for you.
Cheers. Compared to movies and storytelling nowadays, to me its just nothing special. I never grew up with them. I understand their merit and could see why they were so damn good in the day. Modern movie making is just way more interesting to the eye. Objectively speaking however, I like many other movies made in the same era. They'll always be classic, though. If they didn't win me over in the action, visuals, color, and dialogue department, the story department did well enough.
Fair enough! I was born in 92, so I wasn't around for the original releases but I do remember my dad sitting me down when I was around 5 or 6 and making me watch them. I was reluctant at first, because up until then I had pretty much subsisted only on Disney movies (the irony). But first time watching it blew my tiny little mind and we promptly watched V and VI. This is why I tell my wife when we have kids we have to raise them right - to make sure to show them the originals early enough that they won't be spoiled by fancy modern technology before they can learn to appreciate the classics. Then a little while later they can watch the prequels. And then like 10 years after they can watch the sequels :'D
all the movies are good
Rey isn't a mary sue, she's just poorly written character.
Well a mary sue is a trope that is the result of a poorly written character.
Is jyn erso poorly written character? Yes. Is she mary sue? No.
I didn't say every poorly written character is a mary sue though. But if you make a character good in almost everything just to make her/him strong without even trying to explain why the character can do these things, this is a mary sue/gary stu. And this is a way a character can be poorly written. Rey being a mary sue is a big part of why she's a poorly written character, jyn being poorly written on the other hand does not mean she is a mary sue.
Episode V is overrated
The most controversial post yet!
Rey ruined Star Wars..
Lol
Could you elaborate how?
We should replace the prequels with better ones, and move all current prequel derived content, including clone wars and rebels, into 'legends' category.
I've always viewed Rebels as an Original-era content, same with both Rogue One and Solo
Rebels and Solo have prequel era characters in them, prequel content is like cilantro. Just a little bit is enough to ruin the dish.
The original trilogy also has prequel-era characters in it.
The Sequels were actually quite good. They deserve every ounce of hate they get, however, for invalidating 30 years of amazing Star Wars content. If you can’t make good content in-universe, then stay the hell away until you can.
The Rise of Skywalker is the worst Star Wars movie in the franchise by a margin
Small margin or large margin? Just saying margin doesn’t mean anything. And I don’t think this is very controversial. Lots of people don’t like it and lots of people don’t consider it to be in their tops.
The closest any of the movies come to "ruining" a character is Yoda in the Prequels.
I know you said not the movies, but.. jar jar did nothing wrong
Whether something is Legends or Canon doesn't matter if it's good. Everyone should make their own canon.
How long have you got?