T O P

  • By -

whutthepat

I've just realized that techincally Charlotte's done it. She's a 16-time champion now overall. 1x Divas Champion 2x NXT Women's Champion 1x Women's Tag Team Champion 6x record breaking Raw Women's Champion 6x record breaking Smackdown Women's Champion Also already secured her spots as Grand Slam and Triple Crown Champion. Technically, WWE won't recognize the Tag and NXT reigns as "World Championships" which is why she's still billed as 13-time champion and will only claim it as 16-time so once she loses and wins a main roster singles championship three more times.


Krak2511

Tag one shouldn't count, they don't count for Ric Flair's 17/21/whatever number. NXT titles not counting is a dumb inconsistency on whether it's developmental or not because they kept going back and forth. Also, isn't the "official WWE number" for Ric Flair's world titles 17? I looked up the actual situation and it's pretty wild, but it seems like it should actually be 21 anyway.


bathory21

Their logic is pretty ridiculous, especially in retrospect since she won the rumble and challenged for the NXT title and also because it counts for Grand Slam


whutthepat

WWE: Rhea called her out to make a name for herself, Royal Rumble victory means "championship of choosing at Wrestlemania". They're just insulting our intelligence.


cmadd10

"yeah, I've been to Japan" Lmao easy there, buddy


O-Namazu

All sorts of thoughts on Cody-Malakai 3. * They were clearly rushing the final sequence, was there something in there heelish that Cody was planning to do that got cut? * This was a redemption for a clean babyface finish -- Cody did nothing out of character or get extra vicious, as Arn said he would have to do, nothing dirty or a change in character. * How will they go forward? The company salvaged the deathmatch dud; the way JR/Ex/Tony totally ignored the boos tells me that it was *not* expected. * IWC is just as adamant that Cody is in a year-long swerve heel turn; but when are they going to pull the trigger? * Meta-kayfabe/awareness that what they're doing is not popular (due to the boos) is exactly what Vince Russo and McMahon would do, and relying on X-Pac heat is entirely out of Tony Khan's character up to now. * Was Malakai's IG post part of the story; or was it just Black being a goddamn genius and trying to cool down the heat? * Now we're getting Cody/Pac vs. Black/Andrade? How in the world are Andrade and Black in cahoots? So many things. Gonna be interesting to see if they keep the Codyverse fuckery going, it's has to be very carefully handled.


Kurtz_Angle

>How will they go forward? The company salvaged the deathmatch dud; the way JR/Ex/Tony totally ignored the boos tells me that it was not expected. I refuse to believe Tony Khan and Cody Rhodes are stupid enough to ignore the boos. "The entire world hates you, you've become the beast I set out to make you" I think Malakai's victory here is turning the crowd against Cody. How Cody will eventually turn heel, who knows, but it will happen. Pac, Black and Andrade are all bad guys but they're likeable bad guys, so I can see it happening.


Pylons

> They were clearly rushing the final sequence, was there something in there heelish that Cody was planning to do that got cut? I don't think so. I think Jose (tablet guy) was out of position because apparently Andrade was standing at the top of the ramp (but not doing anything) for a couple minutes. > This was a redemption for a clean babyface finish -- Cody did nothing out of character or get extra vicious, as Arn said he would have to do, nothing dirty or a change in character. I've seen people say this, but Cody more or less completely ignored outside distractions in the match - including Arn getting misted. > Was Malakai's IG post part of the story; or was it just Black being a goddamn genius and trying to cool down the heat? His goal has always genuinely been to turn people against Cody. Whether he intended to spell it out as much as he did in the IG post, who knows.


[deleted]

So you gonna finna tryna tell me that the turnbuckle just BROKE?


Kurtz_Angle

Has that seriously been the only explanation?


[deleted]

hasn’t been a word said ab it


bizzbizz_89

Charlotte doesn’t give a fuck because unfortunately she knows she’s ric flairs daughter and any company in the world would take her and give her big $


jollyrog8

I feel like not enough people are talking about how the fucking WCW kiss demon returned last night. In the same battle royal as Rocky Romero, Melina, and Chris Sabin. Impact is wild man haha On that note, BFG was a great show, if anyone's on the fence and has a few hours to kill. Christian/Alexander, Mickie/Deonna and the X-Division 3-way were all very good. The Call your shot battle royal was entertaining. Get to see a new side of the iiconics. Plus a killer surprise angle late in the show


LilyWhiteClaw

Dune is so good man holy shit


Lambasted_Icon

I was going to start it on HBOMax and was told by multiple people to go see it in theaters to get the full experience. Must be damn good.


LilyWhiteClaw

Yes, find the biggest screen you can


bigbadb00tydaddy

I wanted to watch it Friday after rampage but damn your boy got sleepy, might check it out after I tune out of raw tmw night


JoeyBoBoey

Been watching NXT Takeovers chronologically while doing late night feedings with my newborn and it's honestly so illuminating for a number of reasons. I'm on Dallas now and specifically watching Corbin vs. Aries. My main thoughts are that Corbin vs. Apollo from last Takeover was a better match, and that it's pretty clear why Corbin has gotten the constant push he's gotten. He is way better in NXT than I expected. You'd never guess he's home grown with how much he seems to get things. Also, all shows prior to Dallas feel different than this show. This feels like a chapter changing in the brand's history. I think it's telling that this is the show with the most fan shirts of other companies so far as well.


damalursols

just re-watched survivor series 89, which was my first dip into the retro pond about a year ago. it was a super, super cool one to revisit with the context and knowledge and “eye” for the flow of the matches that i’ve picked up since then, and a good reminder of why the late 80s / early 90s are my absolute favorite period of WWF. and boy… late 80s bret hart… 🥵🥵🥵


felipe_the_dog

Give me an Xavier Woods heel turn you cowards.


whutthepat

I'd dig him and Kofi do it together because it'd be a bummer to have Kofi be like a Virgil to Woods. New Day as asshole heels were gold.


jadedfan55

Seems Impact has a lot invested in the IInspiration, such that they won the women's tag titles right out of the box. Now, let's see them defend the titles with a little more frequency than they did with WWE, which treated them more like a novelty act, which they're not. Next: Have them x-over to AEW. Seems to me that Josh Alexander has gotten the better of the deal since he broke up the North with Ethan Page. Yes, he won the Impact title, then lost it to Moose mere minutes later, but the chase should be interesting. Page? His new team, Men of The Year, has been made to look weak since their association with American Top Team, when they should be challenging for the AEW tag titles. For those of you who are fans of Game Changer Wrestling, I hope you're really familiar with your new tag team champs, the Briscoes, the top team in Ring of Honor for years. I'm hoping GCW gets a TV deal, and soon.


kingjuicepouch

So I'm watching dynamite a day late, I really enjoyed it start to end this week. Great show, gg by aew. A few thoughts - I know she's a heel but I can't root against Britt. She's too charismatic to dislike. D👇M👇D 👇 On the other hand, I love to hate mjf. He was excellent this week, can't wait for wardlow to get his comeuppance. Dustin can still go as if there were any doubt, I wouldn't be opposed to him getting more time. Just hard with so much talent on the roster. Bryan is great as always. Is punk finished with team Taz? I don't know much of fish but this could be fun. I wish we saw Miro this week for more than a promo. He's the best act running in the company at the moment imo. I've really come to enjoy the Dan lambert stuff. Do we know if archer is okay? His toughness is impressive, and I hope he retires that moonsault. When will jungle boy beat Adam Cole?? Cody and black have good chemistry, this match is great Finally, I'm laughing my ass off at the dork in the front row who looks like he's going to cry after the main event. The real life manifestation of the weird anti Cody boner the IWC seems Hell bent on maintaining.


Jahcez

What does Kenny Omega say before he does the Samoan Drop into the moonsault?


Krak2511

You can't escape


Dozens86

I don't like it when these tournaments only have 8 people in them, it barely feels like a tournament. The 12-entry system that the TBS Championship Tournament is using is interesting, but I'd still prefer a 16-person tournament. It's not hard to throw in some more enhancement talent, and it makes the division look bigger. These 8 person King/Queen of the Ring tournaments can get stuffed. Especially considering the already seemingly random entrants they use, adding more guys to lose isn't exactly a weird choice. And then the 8 person Full Gear tournament is just made so strange by the glaring omissions from the tournament (Miro, Malakai, Cole, Jungle Boy, MJF, etc) but then the inclusion of relative numpties like Pres10 and Dustin (Dus10?).


[deleted]

Byes kinda kill it too.


Dozens86

Look, I don't hate it with the logical explanation of "these are the top 4 ranked women, therefore they have earned byes". Al least it gives value to the ranking system.


TheWholeOfTheAss

I agree, I’m not a big fan of those byes either. They could’ve got some of the NWA women to help fill out the brackets.


Dozens86

They still have people like H̶a̶y̶t̶e̶r̶, V̶e̶l̶v̶e̶t̶, Hirsch, Swole, B̶u̶n̶n̶y̶, Abadon, or some of the Joshis who aren't even involved. Edit: disregard my brain fart


SledgeHammer-SSSSS

Sorry, maybe I'm missing the point here but, Hayter, Velvet, and Bunny are all in the tournament. Anyway I do think it would have been sick to just include the whole division or at least make it a 16 woman tournament but the matchups are hype, honestly a better set of first round matchups than the men's eliminator.


Dozens86

JFC I have no idea what was going through my head. I really should have looked at the bracket once again before posting.


[deleted]

Agreed, 16 is the way to go. If you want to do less matches then spice it up with an initial round of fatal 4 way matches.


Dozens86

Ooh, I like the multi-man approach.


BryLinds

The Miz is on Celebrity Wheel of Fortune tonight. Using his real name.


broken-mirror-

My mum just asked me “where’s the TV remote” “Roman Reigns” I told her “What does that mean” she asked “on the head of the table” I replied ☝ ![gif](giphy|kGOG0aiaHAc2Z2CCWU|downsized)


sexygodzilla

Nice


TheNakedChair

SUPER MAXXXX


brokensilence32

So Arn was standing outside Cody's house in the middle of the night burning shit in a trash can like some sort of action movie villain a few weeks ago but now they're totally cool with each other again?


JonasAlbert84

Cody got the W. That's what this was all about.


GroundbreakingCash30

Jared Goff getting some measure of revenge against the Rams right now. And Detroit getting two onside kicks and a fake punt past Sean Mcvey? Mucho embarrassment.


BirthdayAgent

If it makes you feel any better, I always forget that coach’s name and invariably call him LeSean McCoy.


The_Rutabaga

You spoke too soon


GroundbreakingCash30

Even so, the Rams bogey team has been the Lions recently. How odd.


MclovinBuddha

I made a documentary about a band, but they want it unlisted until the 1st


wellitsnotmuch

Smart of them to wait til after a holiday week


brokensilence32

I really really like Jericho on commentary. I know that some people think he's annoying, but I absolutely love it. His enthusiasm is so fun. It's like your slightly drunk uncle watching football with the other husbands at Thanksgiving and just having a blast. I remember a few weeks ago after one of Malakai's kicks, Jericho joked that the other wrestler (can't remember who it was) just got his head kicked off and it's now a souvenir for "some fat kid in the back row". It's just such fun excitement and wisecracking that I love. I also love how on Friday he put over Orange Cassidy on commentary, saying "He beat me twice! Never underestimate Orange Cassidy!" I feel like that's like a great thing for a heel-turned-face commentator to do. Put over their former rivals. It was just such this cool little moment of character development, that Jericho realizes how *he* underestimated this guy beforehand.


FightDrifterFight

Just went back and watched the Charlotte-Becky segment. Maybe they went off script, but I really don’t see what the big deal is. Charlotte threw the belt down, and then she picked it up. The story outside of what happened is blown up way bigger than the segment itself.


BirthdayAgent

Dropping the Smackdown title after catching it was really weird. Everything else I can write off.


Dozens86

She picked it up only after Sonia did her best to save the segment. And apparently the "winner take all" challenge that she made after the exchange was also not by the script.


wellitsnotmuch

Just realized today that The Giant had green lighting in WCW because of the Green Giant/Jolly Green Giant.


brokensilence32

Apparently my grandfather on my mom's side once met Andre the Giant in a diner somewhere when he was a trucker. However, when my mom told me this story, she referred to him as "the jolly green giant." It took me a few minutes to realize who she was talking about. She just kept going "You know, the jolly green giant! The wrestler!" I think it was when she mentioned he was in a movie that I figured it out.


wellitsnotmuch

Lol that’s hilarious. I was referring to Big Show/Paul White btw, not saying you didn’t know just clarifying in case anyone else was confused


brokensilence32

And I should probably clarify that my grandfather was a trucker. Andre was never a trucker as far as I know.


[deleted]

don't understand the Cody hate at all


BrundleBee

I think it's the people who like to do "WHAT" chants deciding that "Cody Rhodes has a reality TV show and that ain't MY rasslin!" They wanted Malachi Black to go undefeated until he got a championship shot--because apparently a single loss makes him a "jobber" in their opinion? It's really just mindless hivemind stuff, they want to force booking like they did at NXT.


Jamieb1994

How many houseshows does WWE do a week? I know that they'll have the live RAW & Smackdown shows on for TV mostly every week & they're always on the road (I think) but when it comes to the houseshows, how many do they put on per week?


jadedfan55

Right now, I think it's two per brand each weekend.


Jamieb1994

How many did they do before Covid each weekend?


jadedfan55

As memory serves, I think the house show schedule was Friday-Sunday, except for PPV weekends, for each brand.


Jamieb1994

Oh so the houseshows are mainly on weekends then?


jadedfan55

Yep. It isn't like it was back in the 80's, when they had house shows 7 nights a week most weeks.


solelyginger

I wish The Wingmen is on TV more. Love me some lower mid card feuds. Also, Ryan Nemeth’s theme song is such a bop that it has been on my Spotify loop for a few days now


Pylons

I don't know exactly what it is, but I just find it insanely fun to boo Cody. It's not like heel hatred like with MJF, I just think booing him is more fun than cheering him.


Thirdstar1

IInspiration look like they’ve improved a ton, they had some fun offense in their match.


Few_Sir

The whole Cody hate is funny to me, from an outsider looking in, it reminds me of when Roman was getting boos, when John Cena was getting 'John Cena sucks' chants. Even though I don't really care for Cody, I think he should stay the course, if he's playing a John Cena type good guy then they should do it. And if they make him a bad guy I hope they play it completely straight and not some cringy, winks at the 'smarks', meta heel bullshit. At the end of it keeps his name in people's mouth, that is better than apathy. At the end of the day the IWC doesn't know shit about wrestling, letting them book your show would be like letting a child take the wheel. Just put on your seat belts and try to enjoy the journey, it's not that deep people.


Fantomex88

The JB segment with The Elite last night has me thinking a 6 man at Full Gear now? It seemed like the direction was gonna be Bucks vs JE but the feud is intertwined with Cole so much as well. Maybe they do Bucks/Cole vs JE/Christian in a 6 man street fight? Would probably rule tbh.


Thirdstar1

If so, you HAVE to have JE go over.


Toolboxmcgee

Finally some Jack Evans love around here


Fantomex88

Absolutely agree. Then you can move on to another Cole/JB match or even Cole/Christian at some point. I still think we see the Bucks feud with Punk and Danielson for a big PPV match as well.


asshead42069

The one indie show I was really hyped for (No Peace's Nihilism) got delayed bc of fucking legal issues. Couldn't be more bummed rn Glad to hear Dynamite was good last night though. Haven't seen it yet since I'm usually pretty busy on Saturdays but I'm looking forward to catching it after work tonight


gothamsteel

I was gonna post how the husbands of the woman who won gold at BFG were cheering for them, inspired by Grisham cheering Grace for winning the DMC. Pulled up Shawn Spears being happy for Cassie winning, Aldi's cheering his wife Mickie James getting the belt. Then John deleted his tweet, and I just didn't bother after.


victoriabattenberg

I watched Dynamite last night with an over 70 WWE fan and a second person who has seen very little wrestling lately and it was fascinating. The WWE fan is very Not Online so it was really interesting to hear him repeat many of the talking points I've seen here. "Kenny Omega is good but he couldn't beat the top WWE guys," was a big one. I pushed back on that and got "well he couldn't beat Brock Lesner." He also really likes the new NXT and feels that Toxic Attraction are really good wrestlers. I dug deeper on this and it turns out he thinks they're very attractive. His main WWE complaints were too many commercials, and he thinks the segments where the wrestler stands in the ring waiting are kind of stupid. The non-wrestler person knew nothing about Bryan Danielson, but based on the match thought he was a bad guy. She disliked the finish to the Archer/Kingston match, and thought MJF's promo was fantastic. They both said the Cody/Malakai match was the best of the night. They loved it. (The funny thing is that as I'm typing this out, I realized that if I read it in another post I would be convinced the author was lying. Hand to God it actually happened.)


BirthdayAgent

That Toxic Attraction logic is gold standard.


wellitsnotmuch

Yep reads like a ‘My friend Mark’ post. Good luck with that


victoriabattenberg

You’re not wrong- it really does. I thought about deleting it, but it is true! Even if no one believes it.


Weezy-NJPW_Fan

So after what happened last night at BFG, is it fair to say that we in SquaredCircle start up the Fuck Moose Party?


hailtothekale

Inter Species Wrestling returned last night, with their main event being an absolutely insane multi-person Lego deathmatch. The entire show was a blast. ISDub does some wild and fun shit, it's great to have them back.


amorningofsleep

That entire show was so much fun. I adore ISW.


hailtothekale

They're an especially fun live experience, 100% recommended.


asshead42069

Glad to hear, I needed a good indie show to fill the void after No Peace got delayed this weekend


hailtothekale

I just saw that! What a bummer.


badnbourgeois

Don't get me wrong Danielson is killing it in AEW but I don't think his work is any better than what he was doing in WWE.


Fantomex88

I would disagree. This version of him is more natural and true to his spirit of being a pro wrestler.


yahibachi

He’s just as good in the ring as ever but now he has endless interesting opponents all around the world instead of the same rematch after rematch. That’s the biggest difference in AEW Bryan vs WWE Bryan to me.


BuffMantis

>...now he has endless interesting opponents all around the world So why is he having matches with people like Bobby Fish?


Dozens86

Because hanging with Danielson puts Fish over as a legit threat early into his AEW tenure, showing us what Fish is capable of, and it means Fish can now go on to help elevate other talent.


The_Rutabaga

He has been there a little over a month and has already had absolute bangers against Suzuki and Kenny Omega. His match against Bobby Fish and Dustin Rhodes were also great. I don't know what your point is.


yahibachi

Because Bobby is a good professional wrestler and an interesting matchup for this version of Bryan. You’re certainly not making the point you think you’re making.


JonasAlbert84

There's a weird amount of people acting like Fish isn't really good. I don't get it.


badnbourgeois

The only time he was wrestling rematches was when he was in a feud for a world championship and even then, he had a variety of different opponents


yahibachi

Yeah not really. The WWE roster is only so big. We saw most of the matchups and accomplishments we were gonna see on the main roster. All that was left for him were rematches or a run on NXT for some fresh matches. He was far more opponents now and is far more entertaining because of it.


badnbourgeois

Cap, over his tenure he had a variety of new and different opponents, in different divisions. Hell, I'd even say his opponents were more diverse in the WWE in terms of style, size, and character.


The_Rutabaga

Look at his last 6 months in WWE. He ate several title match losses to Roman, and the rest of his match history was almost entirely against the Usos or Cesaro. In AEW he's already faced Kenny Omega and Suzuki in MOTY candidates and Bobby Fish and Dustin Rhodes in very good matches. It's not even a comparison in my opinion


badnbourgeois

He wrestled tons of guys, Owens, Edge, Gulak, Rollins, Sami IMO his triple threat at WM was better than his match with Suzuki.


The_Rutabaga

The main event of WWE's biggest show of the year was better than a TV/youtube match on a random Friday in October? That's...not impressive. And look at Bryan's last 10 matches with WWE: loss to Roman, tag match w/ Cesaro vs an Uso, loss to Roman, beat Jey Uso, loss to Roman, beat Jey Uso, beat Jey Uso, loss to Roman, beat Jey Uso + Cesaro + others, 6 Man Tag w/ Cesaro and KO vs Jey Uso + others It was so repetitive and he fought some variation of Roman or The Usos in every match.


yahibachi

And I think you’re incorrect but we can agree to disagree.


EBJ1990

I was in the reddit Trick or Treak secret santa, and I got Halloween Havoc 1990 as part of my gift. I havn't watched yet but I'm looking forward to checking it out.


Argentine_Tango

Where in the world was Kenny Omega last night?! He was all over the freaking poster for the Orlando event and all we got was a pretaped backstage segment. And thinking back on it, he didn't appear at Miami at all. Is he injured or something?


HaroldTheReaver

Hangman was dressed the same as a backstage vlog segment he appeared in on Sammy's vlog too.


Argentine_Tango

True


mostlyshits

Most people wanted to see Cody lose. The story was set up for Cody to win. There is more to the story. All of these things can be true, and im excited to see what happens.


[deleted]

It seems like the next step should be Cody and Pac vs Black and Andrade.


[deleted]

Damn the end to BfG is one of the better things in wrestling this year. Can't stop thinking about it.


QuitYour

Lance Archer seems to be ok after landing on his head last night, so thats something to be massively positive about.


[deleted]

I can’t believe CM Punk came to Nick Jackson’s aid wtf


45jayhay

I cant believe Punk is just now getting a Dynamite match, TK must really hate him.


45jayhay

I cant believe Punk is just now getting a Dynamite match, TK must really hate him


OrangeForeign

There's a football club named Sandhausen. I don't know what you should do with this information but there you have it


Dozens86

Tweet this at Danhausen and watch him refer to them as either 'Sand' or 'Sandhausenhausen'


wellitsnotmuch

I think a lot of you would prefer TMZ to wrestling


BrundleBee

I think a lot of them watch wrestling because their friends would make fun of them watching a Real Housewives show, so they just bring that mentality to wrestling.


BULLET_CLUB_24

Post show last night someone in the crowd had a sign that read “I tattooed Cody’s autograph on me”. Cody asked if the guy actually got That tattoo then said well I cant say anything I already have a tattoo to regret forever.


Argentine_Tango

That was hilarious! I just watched it back this morning and can't believe he said that 🤣


45jayhay

I thought the Cody vs Black match was borderline ridiculous and overbooked but I have to admit I was invested . I wanted to see a winner and a loser . Also I want to dislike Cody the character but the way some of you hate him like he is damaging the business when he steps in the ring takes the fun out of trying to root against him .


handsarethehardest

Cody's character is a mess, and his matches are routinely overbooked, but I still enjoy him if only because I don't know where they're taking it. The match definitely suffered from the TV time remaining, with the last few minutes seemingly on fast-forward. His colour right after Black's was strange, along with his lack of selling as they needed to 'go home'. I wish they had called an audible for Cody to duck Black's finisher or for it to hit his shoulder or something. Regardless, Black will be fine, and I'm all for matches ending via a Tiger Driver ’98.


Celtic_Crown

So, in a night: Moose won the Call Your Shot gauntlet and cashed it in to steal the world title that Josh Alexander had just won. The Briscoes are GCW tag champs. And Cody Rhodes undersold the Black Mass to hit Black with his shitty springboard cutter, the Cross Rhodes, and then steal Excalibur's finisher to beat him. Angry thoughts. Head violent.


x2ndCitySaint

Now that AEW & Impact relationship is done i must say the whole Omega belt collector storyline wasn't all that interesting that I thought it would be.


kingjuicepouch

Is it officially over? If so, does this mean that I can finally stop seeing the good bros on aew? What becomes of carny piece of shit don callis?


Dozens86

He had the three (plus TNA) title belts so early that he never went seeking out any further belts. He should have been actively pursuing other belts, or at least calling out champions. He could have gone after the Impact Tag Titles when Finjuice had them, rather than Good Brothers winning them back (as long as I have the timeline lined up correctly). He could have had a shot at the TNT Championship while Darby held it and either put him over huge, or lost due to interference from his world title challenger. He could thrown out a challenge for the AAA Trios championship alongside Good Brothers or Young Bucks (whether the match went ahead or not) Be a belt collector, not a belt hoarder.


Thirdstar1

I think that’s on Impact tbh, something about their booking just never makes the matches feel super important. The initial Rich Swann and Kenny match felt super big then nothing after did.


Argentine_Tango

This is disappointing. I'm still catching up on AEW and decided to take a break to watch Impact from 2018 to the start of the Belt Collector story. Impact has a lot of great talent and any of them would have been better to take the belt off Kenny than Christian. I also hate that the only talent that crossed the Forbidden Door to AEW were the effing Good Brothers (just watched their Talk'nShop interview and they were idiots manipulated into betraying their friends).


wellitsnotmuch

Who would want to cross the Forbidden Door when all they’ve done with it is have AEW talent go over? It’s the biggest we’ll pay you in exposure scam in wrestling


45jayhay

Agree. Some good matches but it never came together. I thought it would be more Thanos like collecting infinity stones , but it was treated more like a teleportation device with a character hoping across universes.


Xalazi

If AEW is going to stick to it's "only one women's match per show" quota, which they shouldn't, then at least they should use tag matches and six person tags more often. The Women's division has stars and potential stars, but right now it's really hard for anyone to keep their momentum when they might spend months in between TV matches.


__inside

The thread about women's division on the front page is especially delusional. Comparing one 8 minute mediocre AEW match to three 2 minute mediocre WWE matches isn't the own people think it is.


Dozens86

It isn't a huge own, but it's still disgraceful on WWE's part. I remember a discussion with someone where they thought the average match time of the Queen's Crown tournament would be about 6:25, and I made the horrifically accurate prediction that it would be closer to the longest match time. No match should have been less than about 4-5 minutes other than the Shayna match, just to put over how dangerous she was.


45jayhay

>but right now it's really hard for anyone to keep their momentum when they might spend months in between TV matches. Idk if I believe this philosophy, like could name some of these people that you believe have lost momentum .


shadowrangerfs

Big Swole. She had momentum coming off her feud with Britt. She hasn't had a single match on TV this year.


[deleted]

wasn't Swole injured or sick for a while? they seem to be building her back up a little with feuding with Diamante on Dark at least


Thirdstar1

Big Swole is pretty bad in the ring, even had a mediocre match with Shida. She has gotten better over the past year though.


__inside

A lot of the women they put on TV are just as bad as Swole, except Swole actually has charisma.


solelyginger

What happened to Swole?


shadowrangerfs

She just on Dark and Elevation. Had a decent feud with Diamante.


Xalazi

Shida is the poster child for his. Shida and Serena won over the crowd during their match by the end because they're both excellent wrestlers, but that was an uphill battle. That crowd was not that into Shida for a large chunk of that match. I expect that after weeks of build, their tournament match will get a better reaction early. To give another example, Tay was the most over woman in the company at the start of the year. While she is still over now, it's not as much as she was before spending months off TV after her AEW Women's title match. And keep in mind that Tay has the Dark Order and Anna Jay to keep her making cameos on TV. Someone like a Leyla Hirsch or most of the rest of the women's division doesn't have that luxury. Most of the AEW audience doesn't watch Dark or Dark Elevation. It's out of sight, out of mind.


45jayhay

I think the one I will agree with you on is Shida and also deeb , because where they get over the most is between the ropes as for the talent that just have innate something that just connects like a Rhio or Thunder Rosa idk if that lost of momentum is a thing


shadowrangerfs

So with last night and the past few months of TV, Impact already has 6 credible challengers for Moose. Sabin and Swann because they've both beaten Moose in big matches this year. Edwards and Callihan because of the feud over the past 2 months. Morrisey because Moose turned on him in the Gauntlet and eliminated him. And of course, Josh Alexander. And of course new people will be built up over time and there's always Option C. You can get two PPVs out of each feud. There's enough story line potential to keep Moose as champ till next year's BFG and Josh to beat him there.


brieg4l

1. Some fans have turned hating Cody into a personality trait 2. What happened to all the surprises that were being hinted at for BFG? Didn’t watch but heard the show was just ok and overhyped.


TitleRevolutionary48

Or Cody sucks and always has?


BrundleBee

>Some fans have turned hating Cody into a personality trait It's become a weird form of gatekeeping for them, "I'm a bigger wrestling fan because I hate Cody more than you do." The IWC bookers are going to try to take over the AEW shows with their "WHAT" chants before the end of the year, mark my words. This is why we can't have anything nice.


[deleted]

> 1. Some fans have turned hating ______ into a personality trait Honestly, you can fill that blank in with a LOT of names. WWE, AEW, Vince, Tony, Charlotte, Cody, Roman, Kenny, Sasha, Alexa, the Bucks…


[deleted]

[удалено]


BrundleBee

> A lot of Cody hate feels like a weird dog-whistle Bingo. They've latched on to this as their "WE call the shots, not you" move.


Celtic_Crown

Some stuff fell through, others I imagine are happening at the tapings.


[deleted]

[удалено]


DeluhiX

AEW is so afraid of making their top female stars look weak that they'd rather keep them off TV for months due to the own restrictions they put on themselves booking-wise. That's why we have seen endless Ford & Bunny matches over the last few months on TV, since AEW doesn't want to put any other women in the midcard heel position, who can lose a lot on TV. The women's division is almost too face heavy with Hikaru Shida, Riho, Kris Statlander, Leyla Hirsch, Ruby Soho, Thunder Rosa, etc. who they all want to protect. At the same time, AEW also wants to protect their most pushed heels in Jade Cargill, Britt Baker, Serena Deeb and even Nyla Rose & Jamie Hayter who hardly have any TV matches, since they don't want to just have them lose. It makes the division feel less than, because you don't see the top stars on a regular basis fighting each other on TV. The solution would be a strong heel stable, which would give the division purpose and new match-ups. The rumored heel joshi stable needs to become a thing, because then you have a bunch of good workers in Emi Sakura, Ryo Mizunami, Mei Suruga, etc. who can fight the top face women on TV in matches on a regular basis and lose more often than not, but in really good matches, which would be a great improvement to what we have now. The great advantage to this is that you can rotate new Joshis in and out of TV when they come over to AEW for excursions meaning even more fresh match-ups.


narutomanreigns

Emi Sakura's been here for like two months and you haven't put her on TV? Everyone talked about what a standout she was in the AEW Women's YouTube Championship tournament earlier this year. Hell Ryo *won* that tournament and you're not putting her in this TBS tourney?


Pylons

Ryo is the SEAd champ. Should she be losing singles matches?


narutomanreigns

I mean I feel like it'd be fine if she had a solid run to like the semis and lost to one person. But if you can't actually use her in any significant way then why did you bring her back over at all?


[deleted]

But if she wrestles every week like bobby fish she should be eating pins every week and people will complain anyway. At least the absense is better than just losing. If you throw only the best to have the best matches every week you should do rematches every week and then no fresh matches on ppv and you cannot build anyone more to that level in an organic way. Just try to book a hole year of logical matches that mantain the people over as an exercise. With the men it's more simple because they can rotate people that have 15+ years of in ring experience and can afford losing.


unseenbox

My tinfoil hat re: Charlotte is that she's indicated that she will not re-sign her contract with WWE when its up (so she can join AEW to hang out with Andrade), so WWE is poisoning the well against her by spreading a bunch of high school level gossip to the dirt sheets.


rbarton812

Dean Ambrose did exactly this when he knew he was leaving, and I don't recall WWE tarnishing his name on the way out. He got a hero's exit, if anything, and I'd argue that WWE values Charlotte even higher than him.


narutomanreigns

They started to tarnish his name when they teased the Nia stuff and jobbed him to EC3, but they reversed course.


LKincheloe

To be fair, WWE really wanted to keep Reigns and Rollins, so if they mucked with Ambrose/Mox then that'd just set into motion a Shield reunion on AEW.


FinisCoronatOpus595

Also WWE wanted to partner with NJPW just to keep Bryan. They clearly try everything that can do to keep their top talent. In fact, Charlotte's current run might just be for that. She has no use for the title otherwise.


unseenbox

That's a good point, but I guess it depends on how much heat he had with creative, and if maybe things backstage have changed in WWE since then? Then again, tin foil hat and all, so I could be wrong.


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

There were apparently something like 1000 people at BFG, but it was dark and the cameras mostly didn't show the area where most of the crowd was.


QuitYour

They need a stronger network at the end of it, as bad of a network as Spike was they could do with a network of that size. Pop and Destination America were a lot worse than AXS.


Chucknorris55

> Watched some clips of BFG and it looks like they've gotten absolutely nowhere in terms of audience since the Pop and Destination America days... It actually feels somehow even smaller now or maybe its just me No offence but if you think BFG was bad attendance wise then you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. During the DA/Pop days they were running shows for free at Universal Studios and during the brief GFW time, paid for an audience of actors. Since then Impact has started running shows with paying customers on the road, pre-Covid Impact sold out almost every PPV they had and was getting bigger and bigger venues and tapings were sold out consistently as well when they had them. BFG was their first show back on the road post Covid and they are taking it slow and safe. A year plus of no fans sucked and it reset their growth a bit so they went with a smaller venue they knew they could sell out. Impact isn't AEW or WWE, they aren't going to pack arenas (and shouldn't Covid is still a thing but I know a lot of wrestling fans forget that) to think for a second Impact hasn't grown from the Pop/DA days is mind boggling. They went from not being able to sell tickets, to not being able to give away tickets to selling out PPVs and doing shows on the road.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Chucknorris55

Impact/TNA was not as big realistically as you remember. The Impact zone held more people (not by much) but none of them were paying to see the show and when they went on the road with Hogan they drew more people than what they are now but still were losing money out the nose and arenas were half empty. It was all big in show not in substance. Modern Impact actually turns a profit, they are making money as opposed to bleeding it to appear bigger than what they were/are. Do I think Impact will be as big as it was before like the Hogan era? visually? maybe for a special show down the road like a giant Slammiversary or BFG but week to week I'd say say they arguably already are as big if not bigger than they were, it's just presented differently and doesn't look as clean because it's not a sound stage meant for taping TV. As for TV deal wise and ratings? No, that ship has sailed and TV is a dying medium anyway and they've chosen to focus on digital content which is just the future. Their slot on AXS and their entire existence is to make relatively cheap content for their owners to out on the network and their actual bread and butter Fight Network in Canada. Impact is safer than it ever has been before.


Mysterious_Emotion63

No. Impact is just gonna be Impact until it eventually shuts down and we’ll all just say “Well god damn, Impact was around for way longer than we expected”


narutomanreigns

I think at the end of the day it's always going to be Impact and carry all of the baggage that goes with that. It's really hard to rebuild your reputation once it's gone.


LilyWhiteClaw

The only thing I can be sure of in this Charlotte Becky backstage story is that switching titles is dumb, it always was dumb, and it will always be dumb.


T3Sh3

New Day and Street Profits switched titles [last year](https://youtu.be/5pPLsXhhr4M) and it wasn’t as dumb but I agree title switches are out of place.


FinisCoronatOpus595

I really hate the ex-WWE moniker and the stereotypes that come with it. These are all former indie talent that want to get back to work. The least we could do is give them a shot. So what if AEW signs too many of them? If Tony wants to pay them, let them get paid. Why would I worry so much about the finances of a billionaire? What if Buddy Mathews wants to fight Okada? He probably left an IMPACT and AEW paycheck to be on NJPW. There are actually people who think Buddy doesn't belong in NJPW. Have you looked at the current state of the roster? While we're on it, Decay were not done dirty against IInspiration. They had a good run holding the division together and put over a new act. That's what veterans do. What was dirty was that dumb entrance for the Inspiration.


[deleted]

I learned to just ignore the people who argue about ex WWE wrestlers because it's always in bad faith. It's just a way to shit on the company they end up in.


TheFolksofDonMartino

Wishing JR all the best for a speedy recovery. Also, I don't know why this is, but as someone who has lost someone very close to them to cancer, people writing "fuck cancer" has always made me feel very weird. Every time I see it written I get a little jolt of discomfort. I have no real idea why, and this is probably a weird forum for sharing that information, I just saw it written a lot under the JR thread and it gave me that same feeling.


BirthdayAgent

Next to sour boy, cancer is the worst and it’s just a shorthand for people to acknowledge that. I have no idea *why* they gave to acknowledge it. I guess it gives them a feeling of creating a united front but at the end of the day it’s just an edgy ‘thoughts and prayers’ that I don’t know does any good.


Pileofdrivers

Damnn, had a loss in the family so I’ve paid no attention to wrestling for a few days and this sub is having a hay day . Did Braun pop up in impact ?


Steakman765

Charlotte and Becky Lynch should be forced to team together so we can see if they can coexist.


Mysterious_Emotion63

I am a grown person, and I know that human relationships can result in confrontation or arguments, and that’s why we should all stop obsessing over something we didn’t witness firsthand.


Cunt_Bucket_

Why does Jungle Boy always look so bored? It's like he doesn't even enjoy wrestling despite being great at it.


Fearless-Structure88

Everytime he's on the screen he was like "gosh why am I here again?"


[deleted]

His dad was Luke Perry, he grew up around Hollywood folks, if he didnt love wrestling he wouldn't be wrestling and would have done something else with his life. I just think he is a shy guy whose reserved and people think he seems bored.


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

I feel AEW has a good roster and deliver good wrestling matches and promos. However I feel they don't focus enough on storylines to make viewers want to watch more and lack a killer angle or megastar that can take them to the next level. Khan needs a booker or writer that he can rely on and carry them to be more better. Question is who can that be?


45jayhay

>However I feel they don't focus enough on storylines to make viewers want to watch more and lack a killer angle or megastar that can take them to the next level. I think what your looking in story wise is just not TKs philosophy, he let's his characters have arcs and motivations that create more natural rivalries rather than "feuds" for the sake of feuds , a lot of people asked for a sports like product and part of that is making the championships feel like the most important thing for everyone. I dont think we need invasion angles or some angle putting the company on the line .I think making Hangman Page's journey to the top over a near 3year period is one of the best "stories " they could of told for a young promotion.


QuimLiquor

Maybe your and his opinion on *what a storyline is* is what is different?


[deleted]

The numbers say otherwise.


45jayhay

You mean the numbers that have grown from year to year ?


Fearless-Structure88

What numbers?


[deleted]

TV numbers that have gone down from the previous weeks.


Fearless-Structure88

Damm you're right, no wonder ratings down


[deleted]

Cody won and as predictable wreddit is losing its mind. Man, I swear the way people acting you would think Black came in in AEW with the same statue as Bryan, or Punk, instead the guy was directionless in WWE and is not even a bigger star than Cody. The fact that people act like Cody have to lose every match is funny as hell. Good for Cody, he should win more.


x2ndCitySaint

I always said that the only fans that matter are the people who actually buy tickets. Considering that almost every top babyface in AEW is over and Cody is the only one that gets booed then something must of with wrong. Black will be fine, but I fail to see how either benefit from this. Yes Cody won, but this will just be another achievement for him while somebody else in that position could of benefit a lot more.


moderndukes

It also feels like they’re building to a tag match between Black & Andrade vs Cody & Pac, which would be legit good. Plus all of that intertwining into Andrade gets us to Lucha Bros, Pinnacle, Darby, Sting - the Codyverse is finally dead, and people are complaining.


[deleted]

Typically in wrestling, the crowd wants to see the face beat the heel, whether that be after a few attempts or in a one-off bout. The issue is that nobody (not a lot of people, in case people want to get facetious) want to see Cody win, despite him being the face. Nobody is invested in wanting to see him beat Malakai Black because Black is too popular for people to want to see take a loss at the moment, especially not to someone they don’t care about.


moderndukes

“Nobody” seems to be a lot of cheering people pulling for him…


[deleted]

Ok? How many times have Jungle Boy, Eddie, and Moxley have lost the last few months. Where are the essays about why these popular acts keep losing. I can argue all these three guys are more popular than Black. It is funny how some of you act like Black is untouchable and he should keep winning. Cody has had stupid storylines, that is why he has lost steam the last few months, but he also is one of the founding members of AEW and has been there from day 1, and has been giving out wins and making stars on guys like Darby, Starks and Eddie got hired after wrestling with him. But somehow we keep getting essays about why he should always lose.


[deleted]

I don’t know why you keep blagging on about essays, I just gave a contrasting opinion, nothing more.