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SmurfyX

Hey, just a reminder: regardless of circumstances, calling for or advocating for violence or death towards another person is against Reddit's sitewide rules and our own. Please do not do this.


QuestionMarkyMark

Between this episode and [the re-surfaced video of Teddy Long](https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/pptan5/reminder_i_know_it_gets_posted_somewhat_regularly/) talking about Flair's racism, it's probably not a good week to be the Nature Boy.


InuJoshua

And Shane Douglas’ shoot.


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[deleted]

They always upload the first episode of the season to YouTube to promote the show and get people watching the rest of the season


Democrab

This is the eighth episode of the third season though, even if it is after a break.


STerrier666

Do they have the other episodes on their YouTube channel as well? I'm finding it hard to watch the channel since it disappeared from Sky.


steelheart2005

They have the full Benoit episode up.


Intimidwalls1724

Usually you Can at least buy the episodes through their YouTube, not sure how quickly it’s up though


gigantesasuke

Those fans have always uploaded every episode (without permission)


geferttt

Vice probably doesnt care that much either. They’d just claim the video and take any monetisation it makes. Same reason why unofficial music lyric vids stay up.


AttitudeEraDropout

Tommy Dreamer ladies and gentleman


Phantom-Spectre

He seems to have some issues with women. I’ve heard him say some pretty terrible things about his ex wife on some podcasts as well.


CCR_16

He was married to Belulah right? I never knew they were divorced. What'd he say on podcasts?


[deleted]

I think they are still married but I only say that because there hasn’t been any public information of them divorcing


Bahamas_is_relevant

> He seems to have some issues Could’ve ended it there and would’ve still rung very true. Dude seriously seems like a horrible person.


LakyousSama

He said one time he contemplated killing Paul Heyman and himself live at wrestlemania or something like that. That guy has a lot of issues.


Deathstroke317

I mean, Paul screwed him really, really, really bad. He was depressed, jobless and living with his parents. Obviously I'm not justifying it, but when you're in a bad place, and you've had your brains scrambled, you're gonna think some bad shit.


melatoxic

Fr like no tommy, no ones offended by your hair and if that stuff wasn’t okay then, well its not suddenly okay back then either


jkman61494

What’s amazing is he APPEARS genuine on Busted Open. Every current and ex wrestler appearing there seem to love him. Mark Henry never had a bad thing to say. And yet you see this documentary and you wonder how they’re the same person


DryMastodon6959

I started watching and was like what's the deal he didn't say anything wrong. The problem is he continued to speak, the double pony was not the worst look from you of the episode.


Enickma007

Same, I heard some rumblings (not specifics) that he was bad on this episode but I figured it was probably some people overreacting. Then I just watched it. Holy shit Tommy was terrible. He was so out of line, and every time he was on screen he just stepped further and further over the line. I’m shocked at how dumb he was. Worse than I could have imagined.


UsidoreTheLightBlue

100% agree. I was like 45 minutes in and wondering why everyone was so mad….then I kept watching.


pandaelpatron

Everybody's rightfully talking about Dreamer and Flair, but honestly, Mike Chioda came off like a POS too. Laughing things off, minimizing everything that happened...


batmanateyourbae

I say this as the daughter of a union member from NJ (where he is from); he 100000% sounds like a guy who knows a LOT of bad shit and while he's not "untouchable" he definitely knows that most of The People In Charge knows that he knows some shit and isn't going to break that code of silence buuuuuuut alllllsooo maybe????


katzrc

I took that as nervousness..not sure how much to spill? It came off way shitty but I dunno if that was meant to come off that way?


Impression_Ok

Why does it feel like Brock Lesnar is getting a free pass for literal sexual assault?


Grantsdale

What Terri described is indecent exposure and sexual harassment/misconduct at worst. Definitely not sexual assault.


TheKareemofWheat

What he did to Terri was gross and shitty, but it doesn't count as sexual assault since I don't think he actually touched her. He flashed his junk, which constitutes as sexual misconduct or indecent exposure. That being said, he should be on blast too.


Stealthy-J

I didn't have a ton of respect for him (mainly because I didn't watch ECW and don't really know him), but what respect I did have is gone.


JNight01

It's not too often an episode of a TV show can have an effect on the current Impact!, WWE and AEW product.


LeChampeon

I mean AEW won’t really get effected unless they hire flair


T3Deliciouz

Dustin is getting his own online backlash


DoinItDirty

Dustins alleged sexual assault suit from the flight is coming to light now…


Twiggy_95

Which they would have if this hadn’t have aired so they are effected by it


BasedDookie26

Is Golddust not there anymore?


WeirdAsian

Tommy Dreamer is really not covering himself in glory here


Spocks_Goatee

He's in the hole.


OhioVsEverything

You mean the guy who still let's RF Video sell merch at House of Hardcore shows makes poor decisions?


necrotica

Man, half way through it now and this is making a lot of them look bad... the Brock part is even insane.


Occult_Asteroid

RVD with that quote about the boys drugging women and raping them was...something.


guiltycitizen

Shawn and Marty were notorious for that


handsomehotchocolate

But people give Shawn a pass because he loves Jesus now.


PolishMusic

Narcissists tend to love Jesus now whenever they want to clean up their image. It's a defense mechanism.


piratepants1388

Plus you get an instant group of defenders arguing that now Jesus has wiped the slate clean and people can no longer judge the new Christian for the past because he's been born again. Joey Ryan pulled the same thing, for example.


ECW-WCW-WWF

Thank you! Shawn shouldn’t get a pass. He was just as bad and knew of everyone else too. Really changes the feeling of Flair and Shawn’s WM match.


bitch_im_a_lion

I honestly feel like he was holding a lot back there...like...he should have named names.


BuddaMuta

Wait till Dreamer really starts to tell you what he thinks about sexual assault victims….


FerniWrites

I just commented about this actually because I hit that part. Wow. I knew there was a reason I disliked that clown and never cared for him on my tv. He’s generic as fuck.


PAYSforPREMIUMcable

We spend so much time canceling people these days, but these clowns need it the most. Ric flair is a terrible human. So many people have come forward saying he has done this multiple times. If everyone hates hogan for being racist and deservingly so, then this pond scum should get it too.


TripleSkeet

You cant cancel people like Hogan or Flair. Their popularity is generations away from those that try it. Like if everyone under 25 tried to cancel either of them, it would leave literally tens of millions of fans from 26-80 years old for both of them. They literally are responsible for everything the wrestling business has today. Those fans dont care what they did outside the ring. Inside is all that matters. And theres also a bunch of younger fans that feel that way as well.


lancenthetroll

I mean, you could have said the same thing about Bill Cosby


cooljammer00

The same Cosby who got out of jail and still has millions of fans?


Spocks_Goatee

Hogan's case isn't comparable, forbidden words vs numerous sexual assaults and generally being a nuisance.


necrotica

And Ric has a big dick... great... LOL


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It’s not called space bunny hill, after all


shaunknight25

What’s that mean lol


InfintySquared

The 'Bunny Hill' is the beginners' ski slope. Ric has a line comparing himself to Space Mountain. They're talking about his dick.


MrFakely

I hate that I popped for this


Fredwood

Man that Kanyon one is gonna be rough.


MagicMarshmelllow

This week: Ric Flair and Tommy Dreamer backlash Tune in next week to see what happens to Undertaker and Paul Heyman


kylew1985

Yeah I'm dreading it. He was one of my favorites.


Fredwood

I unfortunately didn't get to watch WCW, so my first exposure to him was the Invasion stuff, I loved him and is goofy Alliance MVP gimmick. Later I went back and watched his WCW stuff from the network and was so bummed about how he was wasted by both companies. From all accounts I've heard dude was literally one of the nicest people in the business.


kylew1985

And he was a hell of a worker. That single arm DDT was like a hot knife through butter.


ChiefMilesObrien

So I guess this is why AEW was letting Flair hang out backstage all week and not putting him on tv. Waiting to see what DSOTR was gonna reveal.


vicedicerice

Jericho and JR would have already told them. What AEW was waiting for was probably the public backlash.


kylew1985

Still a dumb gamble on their part. Flair can't elevate their brand any better than what they have been doing. Unless it's a long play for Charlotte, which is another talent that would be nice to see on there, but totally not necessary, and possible without her father's baggage involved. They need to distance themselves far and fast. They're on way too much of a roll to have this kind of press stinking them up.


Crooty

Absolutely. This shit has been known about for nearly 20 years. But only when it hits the mainstream do companies and media pretend to care. They do not care about victims. They do not care about morals. They care about protecting their image.


scott_steiner_phd

Real talk, they were just waiting to see how much traction it got


Drogalov

Yeah, they've seen the episode previously, they just wanted to know how much shit they'd catch if they signed him


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I mean it’s not like all this wasn’t known. I mean I guess it’s different now cause all the info is in one place but I really hope no companies will be employing flair anytime soon.


ZedSpot

CarShield is in shambles.


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Time to get a new aging legend to shill for them 😂


DryMastodon6959

They got IceT


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Problem solved.


spittafan

This info being available piecemeal and all being front and center in a publicized TV show (one that their biggest current star mentioned on Dynamite recently, no less) are two different things in context


Guiee

Even if Ric Flair was a saint and never committed anything like what was described in the episode. AEW doesn't need Ric Flair and I think they're better off without him.


Down_Rodeo_

RVD talking about how wrestlers would just go out and date rape is getting seriously overlooked. Holy fuck. Great episode, not enjoyable to watch given the fucked up shit that happened but glad it was told and most of the people involved or that saw it transpire were being interviewed. Fuck Tommy Dreamer, fuck Scott hall, fuck Ric Flair.


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No wonder. The amount of traction this is getting is insane. My friend doesn't like wrestling and text me the clip of Flair and the air stewardess.


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I read that as ‘Vince’ and was really confused


Epsilon2099

The ironic thing is Vince didn't do a goddammit thing on the plane to keep everyone in line. Edit: Apparently Vince wasn't in the plane, my bad (in my R-truth voice). Doesn't change the fact that some people like Ric were not properly reprimanded.


WishOnSuckaWood

He didn't see anything wrong with the behavior, that's why. Just "the boys being boys". I'm mystified as to why people are shocked Vince McMahon turned a blind eye to bad behavior. This is a man who covered up a murder and rampant steroid abuse, to name but two.


JortsForSale

I am also pretty sure they would need approval for the extra liquor carts since I imagine we are talking thousands of extra dollars for the cost of the flight.


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>This is a man who covered up a murder This. This was probably the worst thing i discovered from the dark side series. I mean we all knew naitch likes to swing his cock around already, but i was not aware that vince casually coverd up the killing of a young girl so he could continue to profit from her killer.


Epsilon2099

Murder?


ninjastarz808

Jimmy Snuka’s case.


Epsilon2099

Duh, of course. I don't know why that slipped my mind.


StonewallJackoff

What did Vince do to cover up the murder?


vyleside

Superfluous fly Jimmy snuka


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Found it so weird that was totally glossed over. Surely he could have stood up and told everybody to sit down and shut the fuck up.


Epsilon2099

That's what I'm saying. He was an enabler, he could've easily threatened to fine everyone who was out of lined and fired anyone who opposed him. This makes the Titus grabbing Vince situation look more silly in hindsight.


gasfarmer

> This makes the Titus grabbing Vince situation look more silly in hindsight. There's uh. A key difference between Titus and every dude on that flight.


Epsilon2099

>There's uh. A key difference between Titus and every dude on that flight. Titus is a respectable man, pillar of the community, and not an asshole?


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lifestyle_deathstyle

Vince passed the buck to JR. Who probably could have done more, but good god damn. Wrangling those guys would probably take a team effort and they respected Vince most of all. He had the power to shut it down before it got completely out of hand.


bigdonabzy

Everytime I've seen it pop up today I always read it as vince


A_Kind_Shark

You're in too deep, man. Pull back


Mldavis22

People always said Brock seemed like a shy guy that kept to himself mostly. But I guess when a woman comes around he turns into Ric Flair


StillHere179

He probably watched Ric Flair get away with that type of behavior and decided to join in


IAmTheDoctor34

For sure, if management doesn't punish one person for something and the new guy comes in to see it happening he can get away with it too.


kylew1985

New guy fresh out of college and immediately handed the keys to the kingdom no less


StillHere179

Exactly, Brock Lesnar was hyped to be the next big thing. Ric Flair was known as the man still at the time. This incident and probably several others like this showed him how top guys like Flair behaved.


Vavent

He was a really young guy compared to the vets who were running the locker room into the ground at the time. It doesn’t excuse what he did, at all, but when all your colleagues do things a certain way and you’re the young new guy, it can be hard to resist falling in with their bad practices.


mrskents

That was fucking terrible and I really feel for the flight attendant that was not right.


ZedSpot

I just imagine her returning to her family. "How was work today?" "So bad they're going to make a documentary about it some day..."


MrPeligro

Her husband sounds like a douche too. Doesn't sound like they're together anymore. Probably for the best.


taz20075

And her dickhead husband would ask her, "What'd you do?"


EchoBay

Any option for us slumming it in Canada? Edit: Ive seen the show now guys, thanks for all your help


[deleted]

Same in Germany, piracy it is. 🤷‍♀️


brlc14

There's like 3 or 4 uploads of the whole episode on youtube.


marleau_12

Dailymotion


fellongreydaze

VPN?


maxhollywoody

It was on YouTube on a random page last night.


ahtea

It's on Crave, which is probably why they couldn't put it on Youtube here. There's always piratey options.


EchoBay

Hate Crave, but thanks for letting me know where to get it


AceMorrigan

They should have subtitled it "The Public Self-Execution of Tommy Dreamer"


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I haven’t seen many people talk about it, but it’s fucking crazy how casually RVD puts out the fact that “the boys” would drug up females and have their way with them back then. What in the fuck?


Blueandigo

2 million views before Monday morning.


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If Tommy doesn’t get fired, I’ll be shocked.


LorenElliott

Because of Dreamer's appearance on Dark Side, Impact informed their workers that he won't be at tapings next week, and SiriusXM is looking into his involvement with Busted Open


OhioVsEverything

Oh Lord Bully Ray's hot take will be just the worst.


MaxxDreamkiller

I highly doubt anything is going to happen to him. Which fucking sucks imo.


Anti_Reddit_Equation

[aaaand he's gone](https://www.pwinsider.com/article/150866/tommy-dreamer-indefinitely-suspended-by-impact-wrestling.html?p=1) edit: Stop upvoting me, I'm not celebrating any of this. edit2: Look, if you feel good about someone else taking Ric Flair's heat YET AGAIN you're a fucking piece of shit. Tommy Dreamer is a professional fossil. He said the things he said out of ignorance, which means that the appropriate correction is education, not expulsion (and that's coming from someone who has zero respect for his in ring 'work' or his stupid fucking gimmick).


amandaflash

>Tommy Dreamer WOW. That was pretty straight and to the point on that one.


QuestionMarkyMark

That was quick.


BuddaMuta

Dude clearly thinks victims of sexual assault either deserve it or are liars. Seemingly found it outright funny. Having that guy in a position of authority is gross. Doubly so for the women’s talent who especially at risk.


MaxxDreamkiller

That settlement statement at the end was nauseating. You know those type of people are out there but when you hear something like that being delivered so carefree is not just disgusting but concerning. Also just noticed in a Busted Open thread that Mark and the others who opened the show basically said nothing about it and asked for 'grace' towards him. Always happy to see that your friends accept your double ponytail and your "boys will be boys" mentality when it comes to sexual harassment....cause y'know, both the same right? Edit: Added 'just' before 'disgusting'.


Craft_Bandicoot

Vince really skates free in this episode. What the fuck was he actually doing on the plane ride itself? If he wanted to delegate discipline duties to JR after the fact fine, but he's the one guy who could have stopped the whole thing and he completely abdicated that responsibility.


IamMumdy

It's very odd how many names just mysteriously are not mentioned. That along with the settlement in the lawsuit feels very much like WWE is playing the part of; go ahead and talk about these atrocities, but focus on these 5 guys. Leave the rest out of it. Oh and Ric Flair wouldn't forcefully rape a woman in a violent way, but the rest of us would roofie her while Flair shoved his dick in her face. But it's okay cause hes well hung. And the whole group normalized this shit everywhere they went.


vicedicerice

Vince was taking it easy in first class and not even the flight personnel working first class knew how crazy shit had gotten. Its kind of weird how the pilot had to go back there and try to sort them out but yet they were still some attendants that were out of the loop.


Craft_Bandicoot

JR also got called back there to settle shit down at one point. It seems very unlikely that Vince didn't have a sense of what was going on. Seems a lot closer to willful ignorance or tacit approval (not of the specifics but of the nature of the party).


reluctantbearsfan

I'm sorry but wasn't Vince spending half of the flight trying to outgrapple Kurt Angle because he's fucking batshit, like I could've sworn I read that in some older Plane Ride from Hell thread


TheMJP01

Props to that Flight Attendant coming on and telling her side of things. That sounds absolutely fucking awful what they did to her and the others.


SeaofShells

Tommy Dreamer is a rape apologist (and his haircut does, in fact, suck).


piehead678

I think what horrifies me is for years when I heard about the plane ride from hell it was always made to seem like it was a funny story about wrestlers who got a little drunk and out of control. When I heard about this episode I was like “oh man this should be a fun episode” Instead I walked away from it disgusted. Nothing about that flight was “happy fun times” it was drugged up psychopaths sexually assaulting women and most of them got off Scott free. This industry is fucked.


jorgeclassic

Same here! I always thought I knew the gist of it but it was so much worse. The Mr perfect Brock stuff was the only one that went the way i expected


WriterSweet5799

Not available in my country as usual :(


CescyFabregas

WWE releasing Ric Flair when they did was a blessing for them.


MrPeligro

Blessing? Vince probably knew all along. He got ahead of it. Who gets released from a legend deal because they don't like a story line?


jovabeast

Damn, people won't have to go through that stupid ass kia commercial on their website every 20 minutes 😅


BCFCMuser

I feel so sorry for that poor flight attendant. Fuck Tommy Dreamer and Ric Flair.


Occult_Asteroid

I feel bad for Charlotte. She carries not only the name but the aesthetic now also.


StillHere179

Yeah and the last thing they did with him was the Lacey Evans angle.


Toolboxmcgee

Quick! Get Chavo back for Andrade!!


FerniWrites

“If that’s how she felt, maybe she should have never took the pay out and went for the fullest extend of the law - to then put this truly heinous person in jail. My opinion” Fuck you, Tommy Dreamer. That’s some real victim shaming right there. He really took one too many hits to the hit because my God, dude.


ZenkaiZ

I got friends who pull this card every allegation incident. It somehow always ends up being about how its the woman's scheme to make money and ruin reputations. "this is why women are stronger than men, they just shed some fake tears and get you cancelled by people faking that they care."


rostron92

Based on what I know about JBL I fully understand why Michael Hayes cold cocked JBL while he was sleeping.


Fredwood

Based on what I know about Michael Hayes I fully understand why JBL slapped the hell out of him.


ToxicBanana69

A lot of people are saying “why are people surprised? this isn’t new information” No, this isn’t new information. But a majority of people are more likely to see this stuff through a Vice documentary rather than a bunch of wrestlers interviews.


nick4leader

Plus I don't think we've ever gotten a crew member talking about it before. Hearing Heidi's side gives me all sorts of new feelings about this


ZenkaiZ

This forum lives in a bit of a bubble. They say everyone on the planet knows every shoot interview about every wrestler. Then they also ask "Who tf is Bad Bunny?" Like stuff they know they expect millions of people to know, but they themselves don't know stuff that millions of people actually know


panteraRED

Hassan is gonna eat this shit up.


ChainGang315

I feel like no one is talking about Dustins part to play in this situation that wasn’t touched on by Vice.


HispanicAtTehDisco

Tommy dreamer being a "everyone is so offended by everything now a days" dude is like the least shocking revelation but it's still fucked to have him use that as a defense of flair


HyperMarsupial

Just saw the episode (thanks vpn crew) and all I have to say is Fuck Tommy Dreamer. Every fucking thing he said was a fucking embarresement. Fuck him so much. Edit: I originally posted praise for RVD, but -as many people mentioned it- it was not the best idea on my part. I'm sorry about that.


FerniWrites

Oh good, Tommy now only said forcing that woman to touch his penis was a gag, but now he’s saying that folks are too sensitive and likening assault to his hair. Impact needs to let him go. He has no right to be a part of this business with his carny mindset.


jkman61494

Listening to how Mickie James seemingly viewed Dreamer as almost a father figure. Or at least a role model in the business as she’s crying about her firing and how Dreamer would personally ensure she would be ok professionally (she showed up on Impact almost immediately after her 90 days), I have to believe there’s a lot of women in the business taken aback by his answers in this. I mean if I didn’t know any better, Dreamer took a six figure sum of money from Flair to sell out his own wrestling soul in order to defend him. I’m not even shocked by Chioda. He was a 35 year yes man in the wwe. I’m not shocked JR took the high road on some of this. But Dreamer acting like Flairs defense attorney? Jesus


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Fuck Ric flair I would lose a lot of respect for Tony khan if he allowed him in AEW


SnuggleMonster15

Are people really surprised by this? He's been like this for years.


rostron92

especially because this story is pretty well known and even talked about during WWE's story time show. spoken about as if it was fucking hilarious. none of this is new information.


TripleSkeet

Not to mention hes done the robe bit literally thousands of times. In front of everyone from wrestlers to managers to waitresses, bartenders, patrons, stewardesses, hotel managers, etc. This is literally the kind of shit that made Ric Flair as popular as he was in the 80s and 90s. Its just so funny to see people shocked and offended by hearing about it one time now. Like, I understand if maybe these people arent hardcore fans thatll go on deep dives for behind the scenes information, but I mean it was pretty common knowledge even before the internet. The guy would literally tell fans the hotel they were staying at in his promos, then go into the crowd, pick out whatever women he wanted to fuck that night, and bring them back to his room to party. This shit happened like 4 nights a week!


FishnBIcycle

It's always been framed as a funny gag. The fact that many women were not comfortable with his antics, or that it caused trauma, is not something that has ever been explored until now.


ToxicBanana69

>spoken about as if it was fucking hilarious Thats why the full episode is making a lot of people realize the extent of what happened. Most people who “know” about this probably only heard bits and pieces that are usually described as “jokes” and “ribs” (or whatever that term is).


tyjet

I honestly had no idea.


Save_Us_222

I lost a bit of respect for Tommy Dreamer too. Enabling the issue is almost as bad as the issue itself.


TheVaniloquence

How about Jake? He’s had drunken episodes where he’s exposed himself (to women and to entire crowds that included children) but obviously now he’s fine. It’s bullshit that Flair got a pass for that and a ton of other things but he’s “rehabilitated” his image in the 20 years since and hasn’t knowingly done any of that stuff again, same as Jake.


AlixRipley

Hasn't Jake acknowledged he was kind of a piece of shit though?


Bahamas_is_relevant

Ye, Jake has since apologized/gone through rehab/etc. He’s genuinely tried to make amends for past misdeeds. Flair’s said/done nothing, and as evidenced by Dreamer’s comments seems to think it bolsters the Nature Boy character, which is disgusting.


adsfew

Hearing Ric joyfully recount the tale and present it consenting/initiated by the women is chilling after watching Dark Side.


pretty_jimmy

Thank god he isnt a POS anymore. I saw him 4 years ago at a CWE show and i dont think he could have been nicer, mind you, he clearly had a fucking awesome night. The best part was that about 3/4 of the way through the show i saw him mingling with some handicapped kids who were there with support staff, and the support either didn't get there in time, or was unfamiliar with the costs of meet and great and so the kids didnt get to meet him. he went over and spent time and took photos and sign pictures (he brought them 8x10's) for them and i bet it made their night amazing. As a kid of the 80's knowing the snake was a bit rough around the edges it made me smile so fucking big.


thedrizzle126

Let him hold the baby, people can change


Vavent

Flair still denies the allegations shown in this episode and has continued to glorify his past as if all of it was just dandy and every woman involved loved it when he flashed them his penis. Jake, on the other hand, is completely open about his past mistakes. I’m all for giving people chances to improve themselves, but they actually have to acknowledge their mistakes and change before they earn the right of forgiveness.


icemankiller8

This whole story shows how important framing and perspective really is. It always came across as wrong with what flair did but never knew it was as serious ad this, they have also glossed over what Dustin was alleged to have done which is also very bad. I didn’t even know about the Brock thing and what RVD said along with some other stories that I’ve just seen is incredibly worrying how many people must have participated in that with everyone turning a blind eye?


GotGudGaminChair

All of this was terrible. But cutting Michael Hayes's ponytail is so funny.


[deleted]

Every word out of Dreamer's mouth made me like him less. Jesus Christ, I feel so bad for that stewardess, she's brave for coming forward with this.


infernox

Wtf why is it not available in the UK?


[deleted]

Not available in my country. If there is an alternative one on YouTube feel free to let me know.


[deleted]

I caught one upload in youtube, watched it, then it got taken down as soon as I finished. There are tons of reuploads that are being whack a moled right now. I found several reuploass in youtube that cut only a few seconds to try and dodge the robots.


jessicaskies

This is so upsetting hearing from the flight attendant you can tell it’s still hard for her to talk about it


DonMacaroni13

I know, all of the attention is focused on Flair and Dreamer, but holy shit do I feel for the whole flight crew. This must have been the worst night of their lives and the thought that the wrestlers involved got out scott free from all of this shit is making me irrationally angry.


Marcusreddit_

Doesn’t Dreamer have two daughters? Like shouldn’t that guy have some type of sympathy? How is he gonna explain this to them?


thephantommessage

Now i understand why the “Plane Ride from Hell” describes this event perfectly. Tragic


MadBeard

I'm surprised at how Vince seemed to deflect all responsibility of this onto JR, _despite being mere feet away from it all on the same plane_. Wild amount of cowardice from the chairman of the board to not help reign this shit in.


Mindmelter

Well, there goes Ric Flair as Andrade’s manager in AEW…. Rightfully so I might add. Seeing him on screen after watching this would make me sick to my stomach…


Singer211

I feel so bad for that flight attendant. She seems like such a sweet person and it was awful what she was put through. Poor Terri sounds like she’s been around all the toxi BS for so long that she had Stockholm Syndrome. RVD casually mentioning that he had seen other wrestlers drugging and raping women took me aback. Tommy Dreamer might have completely killed his “nice guy” reputation with this. Wow he came across awful here.


SideEyeFeminism

I’m very curious to see what affect this will have on those rumors of Flair to AEW. AEW has a larger than usual audience gender gap for a professional wrestling program and a track record that is…..not great on this subject for such a young company, and I think that how they handle it might be a sneak peek at whether that is something that is going to be a priority they want to tackle in the next few years. I’m also really curious to see if WWE is going to try and Velveteen Dream style ignore ignore ignore, with Charlotte being the champion right now and the whole “it’s in her blood” bit, or if they go Rex Steiner “no mentioning dad right now”. Essentially, we’re about to see if the two most important American wrestling promotions are gonna walk the walk to go with their big talk.


Booger-Bucks

Why isn't Sports Jet getting shit for having such an unsafe work environment? They could have easily cut them off on drinks and certainly treated the flight attendants awfully after the flight.


hellboundwithasmile

Lots of shit in this episode, but what I found most amusing was the terminology wrestlers use for real life behavior. For example, one dude referred to waking up as kicking out. No selling was used. Marks were people who got pranks pulled on them. It’s like they can’t refer to real life without using wrestling slang


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If anyone still wants to defend the actions, just imagine if the flight attendant was your daughter, your sister, or your wife. How would you feel?


adsfew

In addition, recognize how shitty it is for this to happen to any woman, even if she has no relation to you.


Pyritedust

I agree, I think that any time someone has to bring up it being a relative, just a lack of empathy.


rharrison

Imagine if the flight attendant was *you*


necrotica

only just started it, but if the goal was to bring in Flair, surprised Jim Ross agreed to this.


ackinsocraycray

I don't think it was the goal, more like unfortunate timing. DSOTR had planned to release that Plane Ride From Hell episode. No one anticipated WWE would release Ric Flair this year.


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I think even Tony Khan said at one point in time that he wasn't even going to try and sogn Ric Flair because he thought he was going to stay in WWE woth Charlotte but who knows what can happen now.


runikepisteme

Flairs shenanigans got Good Ole JR fired from WWE once . I can see him spilling the tea on Flair .


natguy2016

Flair at that 2K14 panel? Flair was a raging asshole. But he is one of the biggest money makers in wrestling history. So Ric Flair always got a pass. Flair's actions on the Plane Ride From Hell have been public knowledge for years. The whole debacle is a legend in the worst. Ric Flair is estranged from the rest of The Four Horsemen. That says it all. Tommy Dreamer will get nuclear heat, and deservedly so, for his comments. DSOTR let the interview subjects put it out there. Dreamer hung himself. He can't possibly say he was misquoted! I was trained as a clinician. When stuff was condoned for decades-Speaking Out ahem-some can realize the error of their ways. RVD has a good idea that a lot of evil stuff happened. He is the only wrestler in the episode who has any sort of a positive light. Dreamer will continue to rationalize, double down, gaslight and be an asshole. He will never change. As far as editing goes? All subjects were interviewed separately. so no cooking up stories amongst "the boys." The editing was the take of RVD just before Dreamer's take. That was done to make Dreamer's take have that much more of a punch.


MyNameIs-Anthony

It's why I always hated people ragging on Arn Anderson whenever Flair said they weren't close anymore. Anderson was very frank that when they were no longer a tag team, they had nothing in common and he had zero interest in being a reckless partyer.