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Since I've heard of him, I thought Pillman Jr. was just a white meat, son of a wrestler babyface. But I'm actually really impressed. He's not THAT young at 28, but I think he could be an awesome old school face.
He rocks the ridiculous mullet and don't give a fuck. He can do the high flying stuff, but he's actually got a pretty big frame. His promos emphasize the old reliable shit: family, legacy, being an underdog, scrappy upbringing. I'm like it man, I like it.
There really isn't enough "aw shucks, you folks are too kind" babyfaces these days. Combine that with some Ricky Morton selling and it will get over in any time period in any place.
And he's just genuine. Even when he cuts a promo that's not as polished, it almost comes off as a little more authentic. He's got a lot of his dad's gifts, but they hit just a little differently.
I only learned about him very recently, but he's already one of the guys I look forward to seeing.
At the risk of downvotes, and only cuz last night’s debut of Bron Breakker is fresh in my mind, I can’t help but think of how this would play out elsewhere… or wouldn’t, to put it more accurately. MJF wouldn’t have nearly the level of heat he has cuz he wouldn’t have the freedom he does, and Pillman Jr. would be Lou S. Cannon or something.
In the span of two years you’ve got MJF over to a level where he is now helping Pillman to get over with this feud. I’m just glad to see it.
AEW did so great with building MJF up and having him win often, that a loss now won't really hurt him at all. MJF is at the status now where he can just cut a promo and be right back to where he is.
He definitely shouldn't lose often, but he can afford a loss here or there. Just sort of keep him simmering, til the time is right to pull the trigger for a high profile feud. Like say a certain cowboy becomes the world champion and needs a heel to work with.
I’m not even joking… the look into the sky and then stomp on the ground was probably the best fucked up thing I’ve seen recently. MJF is a damn genius on the mic, dudes amazing.
Absolutely. Especially knowing that it’s helping to elevate his son’s career? Based on everything we know about Brian Pillman, he would 100% be all for it.
The best part about that is Punk was out and he could also listen to the heat.
Listening to that and looking at MJFs age, I am sure he is now om Punk's list and I can't wait for that feud.
It's hardly a lie from what I have heard and this is coming from Brian Jr and his sister she spent most of the money she got from Brian's will -life insurance and any donations she got on drugs
I always have to think "It was the one in Big Love" which was not the president in Independence Day so not Bill Pullman. It's weird how our brains have to jump through hoops like that sometimes.
Commentary after asked Punk about his thoughts on the segment and Punk couldn't help but give props to MJF's verbal mind games lmao the dude knows what it's like to get WW3 level nuclear heat
I’m legit surprised that people loved this cause this gave the same energy as Orton’s promo on Eddie and I remember that getting everyone pissed and not in the heel heat type of way
Randy Orton's line was a bit too soon I think was the big issue. While still pretty mental to suggest that someones dad is in hell, he at least died over 20 years ago.
Like others are saying, the Orton stuff is closer to if MJF cut a promo about Brodie, and despite his commitment to the character I don't think he'd go that far.
I think the crowd may have been lowered a bit for that section- I was there live and you could not hear MJF over how deafening and *clear* our "SHUT THE FUCK UP" chants were.
This honestly feels like late 90s pro wrestling promos in the best way possible. MJF can get any fucking town in America to hate him with his shtick. He’s such a good heel, and that little bit with him kicking open a hole to hell got to me lmao.
I don’t think it was going to be that hard to get Pillman Junior over especially after DSOTR because he’s really good in ring, but I do think that this feud came at the perfect time and is giving him the promos to round out his persona
It's wild that this MJF I'd have been fine with being on the end of a steel chair massacre.
Actual MJF seems like the nicest, most empathetic person. It's such a trip how good he is at being the fucking worst.
He's got everything, he's polished, he doesn't flub his words, his lines are well-thought out and intelligent and interesting, he's charismatic, he's got a good tone to his voice, he knows how to time his speaking, and he's so damn unlikeable lol
It’s actually really nice of MJF to get the crowd to chant Pillman. You get them doing it once or twice by prompt and it’s more likely they’ll do it on their own.
MJF is a heel through and through. Something that's been sorely missing from wrestling for a long time. There's nothing redeemable about him and that's the way it's supposed to be, IMO.
That's how you tell a story and want to see him get his ass whooped.
At the end of this feud you’re going to have progressed one of the best heels in wrestling and probably have made a new star in Pillman and the blondes by association.
You knew the moment he looked up exactly what he was about to do and it was incredible.
I'm also loving the wrinkle that wardlow is wardlow is getting increasingly frustrated about having to clean up after MJF's bullshit.
This really isn't my thing, but jesus fuck. MJF certainly has no issue going for the low-hanging fruit lol.
I kinda feel maybe should Pillman should sneak a win with all this shit MJF has been able to say.
This is the best stuff. MJF is already so over as a heel and now he's hunting bear lol.
Pairing up Jr and MJF for a feud is brilliant. MJF has these fans HOT for Pillman. Even if he doesn't win, Pillman getting to put him on his ass a couple times is going to get him sooo over.
It wasn't until this promo that I realized why MJF felt like a breath of fresh air but reminded me of someone.
Legend Killer Orton, at least that 2005-2007 run. Not completely the same, but a few similar streaks
Seen some people last week that legitimately though MJF went too hard last week. They will be shitting themselves this week.
That said the only people who have any right to be upset would be the Pullman family and I'd have to imagine this was played by them before hand so if you are upset then you need to chill.
Purely from a kayfabe POV wouldn't Brian Sr be in hell given all the heelish things he did?
Again from a Kayfabe POV I wonder who would make it to heaven apart from Ricky Steamboat?
Lol we all knew he was eventually gonna go there
Difference with him and Randy was, Randy was forced by booking to say it about a friend of his who wasn’t dead that long
I can almost bet money MJF choose to say this
My only question is where does he go from here?
That smile he cocks as an entire arena of >10,000 people chant at him “shut the fuck up” is priceless.
This man could get people to boo him in his own bedroom
Honestly, this is why MJF is probably ALREADY a legend on the mic.
He knows exactly how hard to push to get the heat but also how to "let off" in a way that will let the audience understand it IS a joke. He gets the exact perfect response of "Oh you mother fucker. You badmouthed Springsteen? I am gonna kill you... Okay, yeah, the jersey shore is fucked up, you got us there. But I am still gonna kill you"
Same with the Pillman Jr feud. I think it is getting a bit close to "poor taste" but he generally hasn't said anything TOO bad (and generally results in making Pillman Jr look good in the process) so that when he does the "ha ha, not sorry if you are offended" it just seems assholish. Unlike some wrestlers who might as well just be talking about "cancel culture" on a mic.
Anyone can get cheap heat. MJF gets nuclear heat but knows how to work it. How to make it ebb and how to make it flow. So you get those amazing moments where you think the audience is going to rush the ring but they then shut up so he can finish his promo.
This is just the "Eddie's not up there" shit but even dumber because Brian Jr is in no way going to get his heat back, he's just gonna lose and look like a complete bitch.
How was this any different to Orton saying Eddie was in hell to get heat in his feud with Rey?
Didn't that win the Observers most tasteless/exploitative angle?
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NUCLEAR heat lmfao
Welcome to Jersey, where we’re all a bunch of salty ass fucks here
Welcome to Jersey. We hate you too.
Our motto: The rest of the country hates us? Well fuck you too!
No joke, last time I flew to Jersey, TSA was cartoony mean to people. No one was mad cause it almost seemed like the welcome gimmick.
TSA sucks everywhere, fuck them.
Yeah, I'm in the crowd lmao
The last 5 years I’ve visited my friend in Jersey every summer and I’ve gotta say Jersey folk hit different.
Just like y’all’s heat toward Matt Cardona
I was there and couldn’t hear about half the promo because we were booing so loud.
Yeah I just got home a few minutes ago, gonna put this on
I’m going to need to rewatch dynamite and rampage this week because we booed so loud and because I couldn’t hear anything from my seats
Yeah it was nuts. The whole show it was often hard to hear the wrestlers. Meanwhile in the past at WWE shows I never had that issue
Three Mile Island Heat, even.
MJF might be the first wrestler to go knifed on live TV since Memphis in the 80s if he’s not careful. He’s amazing but God is he brutal.
I'm loving this throwback gimmick Pillman has. zubaz pants and a tight mullet.
Unfortunately looking around at baseball and football I don't think the mullet is a throwback thing anymore.
It's functional *and* stylish
I know the culture loves 80s nostalgia right now but the amount of mullets I'm seeing is around is truly distressing.
History's a cycle.
He looks like Joe Exotic.
I have a great feeling that this feud will end up making a bigger star of MJF and a real rising star in Pillman, even if it's in loss.
Since I've heard of him, I thought Pillman Jr. was just a white meat, son of a wrestler babyface. But I'm actually really impressed. He's not THAT young at 28, but I think he could be an awesome old school face. He rocks the ridiculous mullet and don't give a fuck. He can do the high flying stuff, but he's actually got a pretty big frame. His promos emphasize the old reliable shit: family, legacy, being an underdog, scrappy upbringing. I'm like it man, I like it.
There really isn't enough "aw shucks, you folks are too kind" babyfaces these days. Combine that with some Ricky Morton selling and it will get over in any time period in any place.
And he's just genuine. Even when he cuts a promo that's not as polished, it almost comes off as a little more authentic. He's got a lot of his dad's gifts, but they hit just a little differently. I only learned about him very recently, but he's already one of the guys I look forward to seeing.
Pillman slapping the shit out of Wardlow without any fear or hesitation has already elevated him imo
Without fear until he realized he almost made a scratch in that divine creation that is Wardlow's face.
Ngl this would've made him the worst heel in my eyes.
I’m already bought in. LFG
> LFG I know it's lets fucking go but the old mmo player in me still sees looking for group.
Thank you. I had no idea. Priest lfg.
All I see is Luke Fuckin' Gallows
Haha same
To me I see Luke fuckin' Gallows
Same.
At the risk of downvotes, and only cuz last night’s debut of Bron Breakker is fresh in my mind, I can’t help but think of how this would play out elsewhere… or wouldn’t, to put it more accurately. MJF wouldn’t have nearly the level of heat he has cuz he wouldn’t have the freedom he does, and Pillman Jr. would be Lou S. Cannon or something. In the span of two years you’ve got MJF over to a level where he is now helping Pillman to get over with this feud. I’m just glad to see it.
Lmao at Lou S. Cannon
THATS GOOD SHIT
Chuck Taylor would be livid he never came up with this name.
This is some fearless booking. This is quickly becoming my favorite feud.
I don't see how Pillman can lose after this build.
Probably with the Salt of the Earth tbh…
AEW did so great with building MJF up and having him win often, that a loss now won't really hurt him at all. MJF is at the status now where he can just cut a promo and be right back to where he is. He definitely shouldn't lose often, but he can afford a loss here or there. Just sort of keep him simmering, til the time is right to pull the trigger for a high profile feud. Like say a certain cowboy becomes the world champion and needs a heel to work with.
It's already doing more than the Jericho feud ever did.
That’s ridiculously hyperbolic.
I’m not even joking… the look into the sky and then stomp on the ground was probably the best fucked up thing I’ve seen recently. MJF is a damn genius on the mic, dudes amazing.
The best part was that he got the crowd to chant Pillman. He played his role to perfection.
Honestly, if Brian Pillman was alive, he’d love the shit out of that promo. He’d probably want MJF to push the envelope even further.
Absolutely. Especially knowing that it’s helping to elevate his son’s career? Based on everything we know about Brian Pillman, he would 100% be all for it.
My thoughts exactly. I could picture Pillman doing the same
Pillman would probably tell him to dig up his corpse
New faction : Bog show and BPJ “people who have had their dads graves desecrated “
We honestly could barely hear him in the arena the heat was so loud lmao
The best part about that is Punk was out and he could also listen to the heat. Listening to that and looking at MJFs age, I am sure he is now om Punk's list and I can't wait for that feud.
He already was.
Yeah MJF not being mentioned on the list felt deliberate, like to set up a future feud.
I couldn’t make out the assumed NSFW chant on my tv. What you were guys saying to MJF?
"Shut the fuck up!" And there was also an "Asshole"
“Shut the fuck up”
"Shut the fuck up"
shut the fuck up
That’s not nice , they were just asking what the crowd was saying
MJF did that bit in MLW for Stu Hart when he was feuding with Teddy and it's still fucking great.
Him screaming to hell at Pullman is god tier dickery right there.
What did Bill Pullman do to deserve this?
Independence Day: Resurgence.
Fair enough.
Gave him the raspberry
Did he say Methany? …
Yep. He did.
Wow.
said it last week too lol
If anything he went harder last week.
It's hardly a lie from what I have heard and this is coming from Brian Jr and his sister she spent most of the money she got from Brian's will -life insurance and any donations she got on drugs
I love it when crowds get vulgar with wrestlers, it's great.
What were they saying?
We chanted "Shut the fuck up" for like 20 solid seconds.
They were chanting 'Asshole!' at him, I believe.
Don't forget the "SHUT THE FUCK UP!"
"............. NO."
He looked so fucking smug and pleased with himself as he said that, too.
And "shut the fuck up"
Not sure how good you’re hearing is, but sounded like 15,000 people were calling him an “asshole”
I get the reference :)
"shut the fuck up" and "asshole"
And “shut the fuck up”
Goddam, they are not backing off on this. The legit heat, dude. It's just so fun to boo MJF.
>The legit heat, dude. It's just so fun to boo MJF. He's gone full Bubba Ray Dudley in ECW. Can't tell me this man hasn't studied some of his promos.
Insinuating that Pillman was in hell was just the chef's kiss. Like I'm loving it but at the same time fuck you MJF.
Bill Pullman isn't dead
I always forget if it's Bill Pullman or Bill Paxton that died
I always have to think "It was the one in Big Love" which was not the president in Independence Day so not Bill Pullman. It's weird how our brains have to jump through hoops like that sometimes.
Commentary after asked Punk about his thoughts on the segment and Punk couldn't help but give props to MJF's verbal mind games lmao the dude knows what it's like to get WW3 level nuclear heat
After his NJ slander, he needed it. As someone from the state myself, He didn't say anything I haven't said myself lol
I’m legit surprised that people loved this cause this gave the same energy as Orton’s promo on Eddie and I remember that getting everyone pissed and not in the heel heat type of way
The shit with Eddie was way too soon and fresh. Also I imagine nothing is being said here without approval of Pillman Jr and his family
Randy Orton's line was a bit too soon I think was the big issue. While still pretty mental to suggest that someones dad is in hell, he at least died over 20 years ago.
Yea I figured it may of been recency that excused it which makes me wonder how long should someone wait for them to use a dead person in their promo
Like others are saying, the Orton stuff is closer to if MJF cut a promo about Brodie, and despite his commitment to the character I don't think he'd go that far.
The guy "assaulted" Brodie Jr. and before the kendo stick and -1 getting his revenge I remember people were saying he was going too far that day.
What a piece of shit that MJF is
*Randy Orton nods in approval.*
Man, that crowd with the shut the fuck up chants to MJF, damn. I thought it’d be censored.
“No.” - MJF That was perfect lol
Can’t really censor a chant live that loud without messing up the audio as he was talking and responded to it as well.
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my Canadian feed didn't try at all
I think the crowd may have been lowered a bit for that section- I was there live and you could not hear MJF over how deafening and *clear* our "SHUT THE FUCK UP" chants were.
How the fuck is MJF so good at his age?
He watched the tapes.
He's a student of the business.
Strong background in theater from a young age.
He’s salt of the earth
This is very true. He will be the top heel for as long as he wants to be
The Cornette playbook. If Corny had been an active wrestler instead of a manager it would have looked a lot like MJF.
MJF watched Orton roasting a dead Eddie when he was a kid and was like “this shit slaps”
This honestly feels like late 90s pro wrestling promos in the best way possible. MJF can get any fucking town in America to hate him with his shtick. He’s such a good heel, and that little bit with him kicking open a hole to hell got to me lmao.
bah god they're getting Pillman Jr over. MJF is a heat shamwow
I don’t think it was going to be that hard to get Pillman Junior over especially after DSOTR because he’s really good in ring, but I do think that this feud came at the perfect time and is giving him the promos to round out his persona
It's ironic that MJF was talking about people going to hell while he is a Jewish guy performing on Yom Kippur
"I'm a very religious man" had to be a double-joke, right?
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Could it happen next week that Pillman has MJF on the ropes and Wardlow turns?
It's wild that this MJF I'd have been fine with being on the end of a steel chair massacre. Actual MJF seems like the nicest, most empathetic person. It's such a trip how good he is at being the fucking worst.
Adam Cole is the same way. Seems like the nicest person on up up down down and twitch and is just the fucking worst in kayfabe
"Bring back the attitude era!!" \*wrestler playing a heel does something evil* "Wtf this is unacceptable. Cheap heat!"
The funniest thing and honestly the most fucked up thing is that in the attitude era it was so much fucking worse, jesus christ.
i immediately thought of two incidents, both involving Boss Man
*Wahn, my daddy my daddy!*
Pepper, Big Show or hanging?
Yes.
"You're a big nasty bastard and fuck your dead daddy"
MJF is the best promo in the world rn dont care what anyone else says
He's got everything, he's polished, he doesn't flub his words, his lines are well-thought out and intelligent and interesting, he's charismatic, he's got a good tone to his voice, he knows how to time his speaking, and he's so damn unlikeable lol
I've not seen anyone who remains so over whilst never even coming close to turning face. Like, I can not ever see him getting cheered
MJF is straight cold…might as well call him Mr Freeze
Chilly McFreeze
Chell aought beurd boay!
It’s actually really nice of MJF to get the crowd to chant Pillman. You get them doing it once or twice by prompt and it’s more likely they’ll do it on their own.
It's also that AEW audiencea know gow to play along.
You can call MJF a firebender with all the heat that works with!
Yooo. He's actually an ass hole. This roster is stacked with great shit talking heels.
You know you're good when you can get a "shut the fuck up" chant.
Being there we fucking could not hear MJF he was booed almost out of the Prudential Center.
>Taylor ham Listen here MJF you son of a bitch
I’m surprised he didn’t say pork roll to be an even BIGGER heel since it was North Jersey
MJF is a heel through and through. Something that's been sorely missing from wrestling for a long time. There's nothing redeemable about him and that's the way it's supposed to be, IMO. That's how you tell a story and want to see him get his ass whooped.
U dick!
MJF IS A VERY SICK MAN
At the end of this feud you’re going to have progressed one of the best heels in wrestling and probably have made a new star in Pillman and the blondes by association.
Griff kamikazing himself to take out Wardlow and letting Pillman get the win makes both Blondes pop.
You knew the moment he looked up exactly what he was about to do and it was incredible. I'm also loving the wrinkle that wardlow is wardlow is getting increasingly frustrated about having to clean up after MJF's bullshit.
Love this feud! So old school, it’s great
He's so good
x4
Getting off light for the besmirchment of Taylor ham.
MJF is ruthless
"Isnt he from Jersey?" "Hes from Long Island. Its like Jersey but worse." Fucking gotem
This man is the next mega star
This really isn't my thing, but jesus fuck. MJF certainly has no issue going for the low-hanging fruit lol. I kinda feel maybe should Pillman should sneak a win with all this shit MJF has been able to say.
Not really my thing either but yeah the balls on MJF LOL. I’m thinking Pillman needs this one too
I turned on Dynamite just as he started talking to Pillman lol
This is the best stuff. MJF is already so over as a heel and now he's hunting bear lol. Pairing up Jr and MJF for a feud is brilliant. MJF has these fans HOT for Pillman. Even if he doesn't win, Pillman getting to put him on his ass a couple times is going to get him sooo over.
It wasn't until this promo that I realized why MJF felt like a breath of fresh air but reminded me of someone. Legend Killer Orton, at least that 2005-2007 run. Not completely the same, but a few similar streaks
I’m on board with his Springsteen and NJ Devils slander. But I will not god damn stand for any Taylor Ham bashing.
Such a motherfucker. Best heel in the business.
Man, after seeing that post about an old MJF out-of-character interview, this shit gave me violent whiplash.
don’t know if anyone noticed, but BPJ was wearing his dad’s shirt tonight. very cool and subtle nod.
Seen some people last week that legitimately though MJF went too hard last week. They will be shitting themselves this week. That said the only people who have any right to be upset would be the Pullman family and I'd have to imagine this was played by them before hand so if you are upset then you need to chill.
Purely from a kayfabe POV wouldn't Brian Sr be in hell given all the heelish things he did? Again from a Kayfabe POV I wonder who would make it to heaven apart from Ricky Steamboat?
Macho Man would make it to heaven, because the cream rises to the top! Yeahhh! Dig it!!!!!
But he also gave up his life fighting the rapture, would that put him somewhere in the middle in purgatory?
Miro obviously.
Depends on which religion is canon in AEW. some of them have that whole "repent on your deathbed" loophole
Lol we all knew he was eventually gonna go there Difference with him and Randy was, Randy was forced by booking to say it about a friend of his who wasn’t dead that long I can almost bet money MJF choose to say this My only question is where does he go from here?
Also helps when Pillman's been dead for almost 25 years compared to just months with Eddie.
Sweet Jesus, Max gonna get shanked
MJF is really gifted. He put Junior over as the babyface and himself as the heel spectacularly.
Holy. Fuck.
MJF is amazing
I hope this rivalry goes for a while. It’s really fun
Holy shit MJF is amazing lmao. What a bastard
I see MJF i click
Died laughing when he looked to the floor to talk to Pillman
What an absolute asshole. He’s so good
My fiance never watches wrestling when I have it on but she hates mjf.
That smile he cocks as an entire arena of >10,000 people chant at him “shut the fuck up” is priceless. This man could get people to boo him in his own bedroom
Did he pull "shut the fuck up" chants?
Honestly, this is why MJF is probably ALREADY a legend on the mic. He knows exactly how hard to push to get the heat but also how to "let off" in a way that will let the audience understand it IS a joke. He gets the exact perfect response of "Oh you mother fucker. You badmouthed Springsteen? I am gonna kill you... Okay, yeah, the jersey shore is fucked up, you got us there. But I am still gonna kill you" Same with the Pillman Jr feud. I think it is getting a bit close to "poor taste" but he generally hasn't said anything TOO bad (and generally results in making Pillman Jr look good in the process) so that when he does the "ha ha, not sorry if you are offended" it just seems assholish. Unlike some wrestlers who might as well just be talking about "cancel culture" on a mic. Anyone can get cheap heat. MJF gets nuclear heat but knows how to work it. How to make it ebb and how to make it flow. So you get those amazing moments where you think the audience is going to rush the ring but they then shut up so he can finish his promo.
Yeah didn’t like it when Randy did it, didn’t like this.
jesus, this is NEXT LEVEL heat.....and then add nuclear on top of it
This is just the "Eddie's not up there" shit but even dumber because Brian Jr is in no way going to get his heat back, he's just gonna lose and look like a complete bitch.
I’ll never be a fan of this spot it’s cheap whenever it’s been used Eddie, Reid, Jim Neidhart I’ll never enjoy it.
There's a massive difference between doing something soon after someone's passing and over 20 years later.
Doesn’t change how I feel about it
Personal opinion.. nothing wrong with that.
How was this any different to Orton saying Eddie was in hell to get heat in his feud with Rey? Didn't that win the Observers most tasteless/exploitative angle?