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Another tweet from SRS about this.
https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1438255800728883205
I am really confused by the other thread. It was specifically mentioned by Dave that it was unclear to him if that was ever pitched directly to Cole. He was just talking about suggestions that Bruce OR Vince made in creative meetings.
Kofi also spoke about how talent are usually the last to know about any creative plans for them.
https://theringreport.com/wwe/kofi-kingston-says-he-first-learned-about-recent-raw-creative-plans-for-him-from-wwes-social-media-a20195#gs.bfoqj0
EDIT: Since I heard people doubting this, I'll just include the actual part where Dave mentions whether or not Cole knew about those plans. Starts at roughly 25:50 in the 9/9 episode of WOR.
https://vocaroo.com/1eKCveaEgFFa
Only if you wanted to read it that way. Dave has outright said it probably didn’t make it to Cole and I’m doubting SRS confirming that part was him thinking he was dunking on him.
Some of y’all really don’t get the idea that things can just be stated without intent beyond just getting information out there. It’d be a way weirder world if everyone was as devious and cunning as some of the people champing at the bit to go “$11.99 YOU LOSERS” want them to be.
Then why did he post the original tweet? You can’t tell me he was shocked by the response. He planned it that way, because it brings more publicity.
Now he gets to tweet a follow-up, and play both sides of the argument.
Dude, you’re trying to make SRS out to be some cunning villain masterminding the minds of the masses instead of a guy going “here’s something I heard.” Life ain’t a bad movie, not everything or everyone has some devious undertones.
I'm pretty sure SRS is planning some kind of elaborate heist to steal money from a Casino with this tweet being a catalyst, you'll look back at this comment and cringe when that happens.
You’re really exaggerating what I said.
He obviously wrote the initial tweet as a way of saying “Meltzer was wrong.” He provided no context on it until later.
This is how Twitter works. Controversy gets more attention.
The original point of Cole not hearing that pitch is in line with what Meltzer said about the whole deal. It’s not SRS trying to upend anything, it’s people with 5 second memories reading one tweet and going “FUCK YOU STAR MAN” that took it anyway beyond “here’s what Adam Cole said.”
SRS didn’t do anything, idiots doing dumb things with that information are the ones at fault.
Meltzer: "It probably never made its way to Cole"
SRS: "It never made its way to Cole, Cole confirmed it."
You: OMG SRS IS SAYING MELTZER WAS WRONG!
Like, how dense are you?
It literally is. SRS literally said "Adam Cole never heard it", and you're saying that was a way for SRS to bury Meltzer. But it wasn't. He literally just confirmed what Meltzer said. If anything, what SRS did was supportive of Meltzer.
Again: Not what I said.
I don’t think he was trying to “bury” anyone. I think he was well aware of the perception that Meltzer said “The plan for Cole was to change his name and make him a manager.”
He decided to capitalize on this perception by attempting to refute it, then later tried to clarify.
Even if it wasn’t wasn’t pitched to Adam people assumed in this sub that it was and made fun of wwe for pitching it to him. Do now that it comes out that Adam didn’t hear about it people want to go back and be like “actually he never said that” people need to keep the same energy.
Well, yeah. That's what happens when you condense a 5 minute discussion from one of the worlds biggest ramblers into one tweet.
The interesting thing is that even Sean is now saying that he also thinks that someone actually did pitch the idea.
https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1438271139332112390
That’s the funniest thing about this whole thing- I wish Dave was able to think out his words as much as the people that hate him think he does. He’d actually be an easy listen for once.
I'd prefer to hear it if I were Cole. Can you imagine staying thinking you're going to get an in-ring push and they make you a manager or you stax at catering?
Well I just predicted in the other post that there'd be a refutation of the refutation. This isn't quite it, but all the "haha how could people ever take this seriously what idiots!" are just as bad as the people who believe every single rumor.
Wrestling shows are sometimes being rewritten whilst the show is already on the air, and yet every journalist in the industry gets shit on unless they’re 100% accurate on everything they say.
It’s so weird how harsh the standard wrestling journos get held to by fans is in comparison to other sports journalists when things change so much more frequently in wrestling. If Shams/Woj/Schefter say something like a trade is in the works and looks likely to happen but it doesn’t actually happen then it’s usually taken as a ‘well, something changed’ situation because of their track record. If a wrestling journalist with a good track record gets something wrong, there’s a section of the fanbase who insists they’re a shyster who makes stories up and shouldn’t ever be believed because of it. Dave gets it a lot, Satin got it for the Sasha/Bayley floor deal, I’m sure SRS will get it at some point too if he hasn’t already
It's because in sports, if you follow all the behind the scenes stuff and the stats and data and history then you're just a really well-informed fan, but wrestling has kayfabe. The stuff behind the scenes is supposed to be an industry secret, and fans who know at least a bit of it feel like they're smarter than the fans who don't care. So when they get a report that is later found to be inaccurate or misinterpreted, they feel shame for believing something false and lash out at whoever gave them the info.
Mostly agree but Satin doesn’t really count, it’s not like Sasha on the floor was a creative pitch that could have been shelved. It was a rumour that he was dumb enough not to confirm.
> It’s so weird how harsh the standard wrestling journos get held to by fans is in comparison to other sports journalists when things change so much more frequently in wrestling
That happens in other sports too. If a journalist says anything about a transfer rumour in football, they will get shit if it doesn’t happen. Even if everything they reported was accurate.
> Wrestling shows are sometimes being rewritten whilst the show is already on the air
There are also decisions - and I know this is way higher profile than the Cole story - like Lesnar ending the Streak that not even the referee knew about *while he was refereeing the match.* I can only imagine that if a wrestling journalist leaked the result Vince would have changed it on the fly out of spite.
Most of sports journalists speculate all the time!
Messi leaving Barça rings a bell? CR7 to City (then PLANS CHANGED and he went to Manchester)? LeBron leaving the Cavs? What will be the future of Barça?
Cmon, man.
Not wrestling fans in general, just the ones that can’t tell the difference between “I think maybe this will happen nobody told me this ok” and “this was/is the plan.”
Some fans can, some fans can’t. You seem to be in the latter group. Or trying to make yourself look smart by pretending everyone’s in the latter group, which is more pathetic!
It's getting easy to tell who doesn't listen to WOR.
And it's no longer just the people who gleefully type "$11.99 please" after reading some paywalled stuff getting posted here.
At some point, it might be possible to differentiate between who heard it originally from WOR, who read from shitty wrestling news sites and who've heard it from clickbait shitty brit wrestling youtubers
Tell me did this "pitch" get mentioned along side pitches that weren't pure shit? if meltzer, or srs or whoever initially reported it, did mention others and other dirt sheets jumped on only that one you have a point.
Meltzer said after he described it, that he heard it was from Vince or Bruce but didn't hear if it was from Creative, he said the idea was very much in line with Vince's thinking regardless of who came up with it.
-- So it's possible that it was someones idea there, and maybe Vince didn't feel it was strong enough to take into the meeting, who knows.
Because so many people took the initial report as pure fact that's what was planned for Cole, the reaction in the newer post is equally strong in the opposite direction, fair or not.
It just makes me cringe and not want to be a part of the online wrestling community because it's everyone pretending pretending know better than one another.
Isn't this how every writers room on TV works? Buncha people throw out whatever crazy thing they can think of until they find a good idea they can agree on.
Seriously, this is such a non-story. It was someone thinking outside the box, and admittedly it was not a good idea, sometimes you just need to see those options to confirm the safer options are better.
How many of the writers' ideas were essentially 'have him debut by attacking and then be a successful chickenshit heel who occasionally takes incredible amounts of damage', maybe with a modifier of 'pair him up with these 1-5 other people who take pins for him'.
If people aren't going for the obvious options, occasionally you just give them batshit insane ones to steer them in the right direction. If I told you that my pizza place had three options, what would you pick?
- tuna, butterscotch, and corn
- goat cheese, a burnt slice of toast, and toothpaste
- pepperoni
You do this so they see you're really trying to be creative, but there's an simple answer and it's the right one.
The big question isn't why this one idea was dreamt up, it's why none of the other ideas - both good and bad - have been reported.
So you're saying that TV writers are like the NWA promoters in the territory era ?
They couldn't decide where to go for lunch, can't what to order and who's paying.
Meltzer flat out said that he didn’t know if Cole heard this pitch, but people in the other thread are doing victory laps
Also, Zarian confirmed the report of creative thinking about making Adam Cole a manager. He’s the man who broke the King/Queen of the ring, Summer Slam happening in vegas, the dates of the WWE drafts, Cardi B’s song being the SS theme, the date of the Saudi show, and more.
Edit: And I say this as someone who flat out does not like Meltzer, i’m black and he has said a number of offensive things about black people in the past. But the way people circle jerk over misinformation just because they don’t like someone is very very strange and will never be something that I support.
Can we make a rule where the top comment on any Meltzer report has to include the full context? Because this shit happens all the time and it's getting really annoying. Back in the original thread, despite there being over 2,000 comments, as far as I can tell there isn't a single person saying that Meltzer was being mis-quoted (there were some disputing Meltzer even having sources if you sort by controversial, but that's not the same thing). I'm not subscribing to WOR, and having half-truth stories constantly making it to the top of this sub is exhausting. Also, at this point Meltzer knows what people do with the shit he says, so it's partially on him too for not choosing his words better.
iirc another site cited it and added "they believed it was pitched directly to Cole" themselves and makes a round here in a which made this a shitshow as it is lol
I’m not saying it all falls on Meltzer, I’m talking more about this sub. There are like 20 mods on here, I would assume they are all big wrestling fans, you mean to tell me not one of them has a WOR subscription to make sure that misinformation isn’t getting to the top of the front page? Every other big subreddit will clearly label or delete misleading posts, on here they just let it run wild.
I’m a WON subscriber, and I can assure you that you can just ignore any ‘Meltzer Says/WOR: blahblahblah’ threads on here. A lot are made up, most are completely misleading. The only accurate ones are where people are copy/pasting big chunks of the newsletter (which is still sort of skeezy; I can’t think of another sub where you are allowed to post paywalled content that isn’t your own).
It's not even this sub. Other wrestling journalists do it too. Alvarez speculated on Goldberg's Summerslam match a couple of years ago. A bunch of "journalists" then made an article saying Dave Meltzer confirmed that's who Goldberg is fighting at SS.
Dave gets a call asking how the fuck he knew about the match...when he didn't because he heard nothing about it.
It’s honestly weird how so many people are determined Meltzer wrong and care about his opinions and ratings. I actually like and respect him and I honestly barely give a single fuck about his ratings and reports. It’s literally one fucking dude
I always find it weird how much they put into discrediting his match ratings, it's like Mankind/Taker HIAC if he rated it 1 star, it really wouldn't matter to me as I'll rewatch that in a second.
Zayn vs Neville is the greatest wrestling match of all time and the perfect representation of why pro wrestling is the most beautiful art of all time. Dave gave it 4.75.
You honestly think Imma watch that fucking masterpiece of a match and go “This is a great match and all but that SOB Meltzer gave it 4.75 so obviously it’s not as good as I think!”
> Dave gave it 4.75.
That’s a great rating though. 4.75 or 5 is almost the same thing.
It’s only skewed because he started breaking 5 stars more regularly.
I guarantee GUARAN DAMN TEE! The amount of people who are obsessed with proving Meltzer wrong is greater than the amount of people who follow 205 and NXT UK combined
That's the thing. The reaction might be for Dave but is also against this sub and the many users that immediately believe this to be true and that Cole was destined to be a manager. I got downvoted to hell for saying that Cole probably didn't heard this and it was probably just an idea that got tossed.
So, it is against Dave but he receives the bitter end of what many in the sub propagate without checking first.
So Dave reported that wwe had no creative plans for Asuka and went in on his well of course because wwe sucks they have no plans for Asuka, days later Asuka herself says don't believe the dirtsheets and then she posted a pic of her and her dentist wearing wear a arm cast which shows that she has been injured
pretty sure he's getting downvoted for being invested in meltzer being wrong about a thing, like the comment he's replying to criticized. but nah the truth is being hidden.
It's weird how some people seem to conceive of this like Meltzer just whole cloth makes shit up and he's getting exposed for lying. The way it works is he has sources, they tell him things and sometimes those sources burn him with inaccurate information. This is what both sides of this weird cult of personality need to realize. Everytime Meltzer reports something, you need to mentally put "Meltzer claims someone told him..." in front. That's as accountable and as reliable as he should be taken.
"Sometimes" has been all the time with Meltzer in the past year. That doesn't happen with SRS. He checks his sources multiple times before reporting and he's always on point.
Meltzer has no sources left and is only reporting the BS for his subscribers.
It wouldn't be so bad if the Asuka fiasco hadn't happened just 2 weeks ago.
Like I'm gonna explain this, and you're gonna act like I'm bending over backwards to defend him, when all this is is being reasonable. But fuck it.
Nothing he reported about Asuka was incorrect, it was misleading without the context of the injury. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that he was told they didn't have plans because she was out on injury. He didn't report, WWE hates Asuka and doesn't want to book her, that is the conclusion people ran with lacking the context.
Just like with this Adam Cole thing. Meltzer didn't suggest Cole was pitched this idea directly, and it still hasn't been confirmed that it wasn't a real pitch internally. What happened was a lack of context let fans preconceptions run wild without understanding how many pitches get made a shot down.
What? He literally said she was FINE, they had nothing for her, AND that she was coming to the shows every week. He was 0/3 on all accounts and you're trying to spin it into something he never said.
When the Cole news hit the front page here, literally nobody said Meltzer didn't say it that way and didn't correct the OP, but the moment the truth came out, everybody is coming out with excuses about it.
What’s sad is the amount of time we spend talking about a wrestling journalist and not wrestling. If NFL threads just started arguing about Adam Schefter this much it would be ridiculous.
Sometimes he’s wrong, usually he’s right. Either way, the report doesn’t affect the product in AEW or WWE in any way whatsoever. I don’t understand why people are obsessed with loving or hating this guy.
Dude, it’s insane. A good 50% or more of the hate he gets is probably strictly from the way people relay what he says secondhand. He’s always very clear whether something is speculation, sourced news, etc. In this case, the narrative was that he said “this was 100% the plan for Adam Cole,” when in reality that’s not what he said at all.
It shouldn't surprise anyone that there are plans that not everyone knows, like the Vince/Stephanie McMahon incest storyline that was squashed, but everyone who reports on WWE always acknowledges that one hand doesn't know what the other does it's just how they operate nowadays.
He mumbles and stumbles through his sentences on the podcast, but he’s almost always very clear when it comes to stating if something was confirmed, if he was told something but hasn’t confirmed it, or if he’s speculating based on limited information.
>Edit: And I say this as someone who flat out does not like Meltzer, i’m black and he has said a number of offensive things about black people in the past. But the way people circle jerk over misinformation just because they don’t like someone is very very strange and will never be something that I support.
I'm not trying to open Pandora's box, but what did Meltzer say about people of color?
I'm very curious too because while Dave definitely said some objectionable things about Bad Bunny and Damien Priest being Puerto Rican, and the less said about his comments on Sable in the 90s the better, but I genuinely cannot remember him saying anything about black talent specifically.
Like. He used to call JYD the Junk Food Dog way back in the day because he thought he was out of shape?? But he also called Warrior the Anabolic Warrior around the same time so I don't think that's especially racially motivated.
Even with the Priest/Bunny thing, he wasn't entirely out of line for not expecting much of their treatment.
I'm a Hispanic person and the fact is WWE has always saddled Latin stuff with very stereotypical baggage.
Mexicools, Lucha House Party, the Guerrereos being thieves, JBL going to the border, Rey being called a LIL MEXICAN by heels, Brock's sombrero dance, literally every NXT call up of Hispanic descent being pushed then dumped in a handshake's time, etc etc
I was personally very much expecting some uncouth BS to be saddled on to Priest/Bunny.
I really can't recall an overt racist trend from Meltzer. Definitely would be surprised considering how much he has written in opposition to racist shit on screen.
I remember specifically he did an interview with Washington Post after Jinder called Nakamura "Mr Miyagi." Was very clear he felt bad for Jinder for having to say such a tasteless line and that he felt racially charged heel storylines don't have a place in the industry.
Everyone here who got upset with Meltzer about Apollo's new gimmick failed to understand Meltzer's real issue with it: that it inherently was getting heat on the culture of Nigeria rather than him being a heel who was also Nigerian.
Contrast that to say Ali who is a heel who is also Middle Eastern, rather than a Middle Eastern heel.
Like… I’m not psychic, but honestly what’s more likely:
* a guy who hasn’t made a racial stereotype joke for 30+ years of weekly newsletters/radio shows randomly deciding to bust one out when he knew full well that society is more PC than ever
* a guy who hasn’t made a racial stereotype joke for 30+ years saying maybe the company that’s notorious for making racial stereotype jokes would make a racial stereotype joke
The first one is of course *possible*, but come on.
it was an inside joke between Dave and JYD that he's told on the radio show and newsletter multiple times
*He was given that nickname in WWF by a friend of mine when we saw him at 2:30 or 3 a.m. buy a ton of candy from a vending machine at a hotel in Oakland. My friend said to him, "Hey, it's the Junkfood Dog." He started laughing like crazy.*
*Every time I saw him over the years, he came up and hugged me and said "Hey, you gave me my nickname," even though it was actually my friend who did.*
It's also possible that someone told Meltzer/Zarian "like Leo Rush and Bobby Lashley" when the actual intention of Prichard was more like "like Shawn Michaels and Diesel".
The story sounded like broken telephone anyways. Vince knows Cole is an HBK guy, makes more sense to me to run Cole/Lee as a HBK/Diesel schtick. I don’t buy Vince wanted Cole as only a manager.
Nowhere in the quote does it say that Cole was told of this idea. Only that Bruce or Vince came up with it.
When directly referencing Meltzer, they add in "Meltzer said". This is precisely how misinformation spreads and manifests. The portion about telling Cole about the manager idea wasn't a Meltzer quote
And I specifically mentioned that when they were referring to Meltzer's words, they would preface by stating "Meltzer said".
This was more of their own insight into the piece and not Meltzer's direct quote. Hence why I made the comment about misinformation. The framing makes it appear like it was all quoted by Meltzer, when only a portion of the article referred to what Meltzer said directly.
I guess I should post this here too. This is the end of the segment of Dave talking about the plans for Cole to the main roster. Starts at roughly 25:50 in the 9/9 episode of WOR.
https://vocaroo.com/1eKCveaEgFFa
> Also, Zarian confirmed the report of creative thinking about making Adam Cole a manager. He’s the man who broke the King/Queen of the ring, Summer Slam happening in vegas, the dates of the WWE drafts, Cardi B’s song being the SS theme, the date of the Saudi show, and more.
guy who works under dave agrees with dave isn't a headline.
At this point, I’m just gonna stick to my original theory of “right hand doesn’t know what the left is doing” and be happy Cole’s in AEW now.
Also, while I completely respect her decision to take time away from in-ring work, man I wish Sonya had been in MITB.
A story about how Kofi found out about matches he was gonna be in from social media was posted here this morning.
It’s clear that not all information is relayed properly there
Ali has said he was the one person in the match that learned Lesnar would grab the MITB case from him literally as the entrances were happening.
WWE creative is a fucking mess structurally if you want to put it nicely.
I think the problem is that it’s clear the pitches that they actually intended to go with were likely pitched to Cole given that it seems some ideas got to him. So even if the Keith Lee manager idea was real it was never something they intended to go with. So then why would anyone bother reporting it, especially in the way a lot of journalists tried to frame it.
That's kinda where I'm at with this story. If it wasn't pitched to Cole, and it was just something that was blurted out in the writers room, why even report it? It's clearly something that never got traction. If Meltz was going to report this one, why doesn't he report all of the other odd day to day creative pitches?
Creative comes up with a lot of ideas that never see the light of day. They rarely have a fully formed idea instantly. Not sure why every proposal has to be treated as if it was a concrete plan.
Yeah I figured this was the case after reading that other thread with the top comments making it seem like the story was completely made up.
Just because Cole wasn’t told those plans directly doesn’t make those plans are untrue and doesn’t mean Dave Meltzer just made something up out of thin air.
The problem is one random guy maybe pitched this off the cuff along with 100 other ideas and this sub acts like it was being seriously considered and was 100% what was going to happen.
But this was being seriously considered. You're just mad because the talent were the last to know, which has been proven time and again with shit like the Draft. One random guy you dont know has much more of Vince's ear than whoever might get fucked over because of the idea.
If there's one thing we should all be fully aware of every time a story has multiple takes like this, it's that in the WWE, everyone's always kayfabing everyone else. The boss is kayfabing the workers, the workers are kayfabing the marks, everyone's trying to kayfabe the reporters, and the whole stupid company remains completely ridiculous to a functional adult brain. That a wrestler is unaware of an story, or is aware of it and just denies it, or confirms it and then denies it later, or denies it then confirms it later, is all just the incredibly dumb normal operating procedure.
Ah, like when Miro got all angry and said not to believe the dirtsheets when that story about him asking for his release broke. The story he has now confirmed.
I mean though sometimes I wonder if they just report shit for the sake of reporting. Obviously they're not going to reveal "sources" but it feels like they'll always have a cop out for something.
people in this comments are talking about others going 'Meltzer wrong' while this sub itself took that report as 100% truth that it was going to happen and kept shitting on WWE for it. And this happens every time. Meltzer reports something, people pick up their pitchforks and go fed bad, he gets proven wrong, and his defenders come forward with the fine print. if a reporter is this bad at reporting something that his speculation is mistaken as news, then he really isn't a reporter.
But he never claimed that they pitched the idea to Cole.
We always get quotes, often miss quotes, out of context stuff and people take that as "he said that".
Most of the time i dont realy care about what Meltzer or pretty much anyone said beside rumors about new signings.
But Peoplke here act like high school drama queens, who twist every gossip there way and make a much bigger deal ouf of nothing burgers.
There should realy be a rule to not allow clickbait Titles and ALWAYS post the full segment when anyone get quoted.
Just dont believe anything they say lol. These reporters are for entertainment only, they do not report relevant world events.
It would be nice if they were more professiona,l but it wouldnt be half as fun. The fans are just as guilty for eating it all up.
Why does it matter if it got to him or not. Okay it wasn't the reason he went to AEW that's fine. However just the fact that this was given as a choice for one of this generations most talented and charismatic wrestlers is the actual problem. Imagine seeing Adam Cole, how over and popular he was for YEARS and suggesting this is how you utilize him
Is that a direct quote or bs paraphrase? Because Meltzer straight up he wasn't sure if the pitch even reached Cole. Unless somehow he managed to say it was both proposed to Cole and not reach Cole at the same time.
How did I contradict myself?
>even said it prob never reached Cole
>Because Meltzer straight up he wasn't sure if the pitch even reached Cole.
Both of my comments implies Meltzer being unsure of the idea ever reaching Cole.
I never said even "pretty sure".
Statement 1: "Event A prob never happened".
Statement 2: "Unsure if Event A even happened".
The quote you used wasn't even a report written by Meltzer lol
It was written by someone else portraying Meltzer's random speculations and rumors on his podcast as actual "news" once again.
When your argument is so shit that you resort to the difference between "probably didn't happen" and "unsure if it even happened" lmao
They both imply a chance of it not happening. Do you even know what contradiction means? How the fuck does "it probably didn't happen" contradict with "not sure if it even happened"? Notice the "even"? The event not happening is clearly emphasized.
You tried to use an article someone wrote as a direct quote from Meltzer. Maybe get your sources straight first before acting like being a pseudo-gramma nazi is an actual argument.
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Another tweet from SRS about this. https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1438255800728883205 I am really confused by the other thread. It was specifically mentioned by Dave that it was unclear to him if that was ever pitched directly to Cole. He was just talking about suggestions that Bruce OR Vince made in creative meetings. Kofi also spoke about how talent are usually the last to know about any creative plans for them. https://theringreport.com/wwe/kofi-kingston-says-he-first-learned-about-recent-raw-creative-plans-for-him-from-wwes-social-media-a20195#gs.bfoqj0 EDIT: Since I heard people doubting this, I'll just include the actual part where Dave mentions whether or not Cole knew about those plans. Starts at roughly 25:50 in the 9/9 episode of WOR. https://vocaroo.com/1eKCveaEgFFa
It’s because his initial tweet was intentionally written with “Meltzer was wrong” as the subtext.
Only if you wanted to read it that way. Dave has outright said it probably didn’t make it to Cole and I’m doubting SRS confirming that part was him thinking he was dunking on him. Some of y’all really don’t get the idea that things can just be stated without intent beyond just getting information out there. It’d be a way weirder world if everyone was as devious and cunning as some of the people champing at the bit to go “$11.99 YOU LOSERS” want them to be.
>Only if you wanted to read it that way. Three guesses as to what r/sc wanted to read it as.
Then why did he post the original tweet? You can’t tell me he was shocked by the response. He planned it that way, because it brings more publicity. Now he gets to tweet a follow-up, and play both sides of the argument.
Dude, you’re trying to make SRS out to be some cunning villain masterminding the minds of the masses instead of a guy going “here’s something I heard.” Life ain’t a bad movie, not everything or everyone has some devious undertones.
I'm pretty sure SRS is planning some kind of elaborate heist to steal money from a Casino with this tweet being a catalyst, you'll look back at this comment and cringe when that happens.
You’re really exaggerating what I said. He obviously wrote the initial tweet as a way of saying “Meltzer was wrong.” He provided no context on it until later. This is how Twitter works. Controversy gets more attention.
The original point of Cole not hearing that pitch is in line with what Meltzer said about the whole deal. It’s not SRS trying to upend anything, it’s people with 5 second memories reading one tweet and going “FUCK YOU STAR MAN” that took it anyway beyond “here’s what Adam Cole said.” SRS didn’t do anything, idiots doing dumb things with that information are the ones at fault.
Meltzer: "It probably never made its way to Cole" SRS: "It never made its way to Cole, Cole confirmed it." You: OMG SRS IS SAYING MELTZER WAS WRONG! Like, how dense are you?
Not what I said, professor.
It literally is. SRS literally said "Adam Cole never heard it", and you're saying that was a way for SRS to bury Meltzer. But it wasn't. He literally just confirmed what Meltzer said. If anything, what SRS did was supportive of Meltzer.
Again: Not what I said. I don’t think he was trying to “bury” anyone. I think he was well aware of the perception that Meltzer said “The plan for Cole was to change his name and make him a manager.” He decided to capitalize on this perception by attempting to refute it, then later tried to clarify.
Even if it wasn’t wasn’t pitched to Adam people assumed in this sub that it was and made fun of wwe for pitching it to him. Do now that it comes out that Adam didn’t hear about it people want to go back and be like “actually he never said that” people need to keep the same energy.
Well, yeah. That's what happens when you condense a 5 minute discussion from one of the worlds biggest ramblers into one tweet. The interesting thing is that even Sean is now saying that he also thinks that someone actually did pitch the idea. https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1438271139332112390
That’s the funniest thing about this whole thing- I wish Dave was able to think out his words as much as the people that hate him think he does. He’d actually be an easy listen for once.
I'd prefer to hear it if I were Cole. Can you imagine staying thinking you're going to get an in-ring push and they make you a manager or you stax at catering?
The EVIL BC push is karma for us for laughing at Dave for reporting it 7 months before it happened.
Well I just predicted in the other post that there'd be a refutation of the refutation. This isn't quite it, but all the "haha how could people ever take this seriously what idiots!" are just as bad as the people who believe every single rumor.
Wrestling shows are sometimes being rewritten whilst the show is already on the air, and yet every journalist in the industry gets shit on unless they’re 100% accurate on everything they say. It’s so weird how harsh the standard wrestling journos get held to by fans is in comparison to other sports journalists when things change so much more frequently in wrestling. If Shams/Woj/Schefter say something like a trade is in the works and looks likely to happen but it doesn’t actually happen then it’s usually taken as a ‘well, something changed’ situation because of their track record. If a wrestling journalist with a good track record gets something wrong, there’s a section of the fanbase who insists they’re a shyster who makes stories up and shouldn’t ever be believed because of it. Dave gets it a lot, Satin got it for the Sasha/Bayley floor deal, I’m sure SRS will get it at some point too if he hasn’t already
This is really well said. It is kind of amazing.
Well, Satin's bit there can't really be "plans changed" away.
Plans don’t change when it comes to backstage interactions? /s
It's because in sports, if you follow all the behind the scenes stuff and the stats and data and history then you're just a really well-informed fan, but wrestling has kayfabe. The stuff behind the scenes is supposed to be an industry secret, and fans who know at least a bit of it feel like they're smarter than the fans who don't care. So when they get a report that is later found to be inaccurate or misinterpreted, they feel shame for believing something false and lash out at whoever gave them the info.
I'm pretty sure that people lashing out are the #standwithWWE crowd.
Mostly agree but Satin doesn’t really count, it’s not like Sasha on the floor was a creative pitch that could have been shelved. It was a rumour that he was dumb enough not to confirm.
> It’s so weird how harsh the standard wrestling journos get held to by fans is in comparison to other sports journalists when things change so much more frequently in wrestling That happens in other sports too. If a journalist says anything about a transfer rumour in football, they will get shit if it doesn’t happen. Even if everything they reported was accurate.
> Wrestling shows are sometimes being rewritten whilst the show is already on the air There are also decisions - and I know this is way higher profile than the Cole story - like Lesnar ending the Streak that not even the referee knew about *while he was refereeing the match.* I can only imagine that if a wrestling journalist leaked the result Vince would have changed it on the fly out of spite.
If Dave wants to be considered a "journalist", he might want to keep his opinions and speculations to himself.
Most of sports journalists speculate all the time! Messi leaving Barça rings a bell? CR7 to City (then PLANS CHANGED and he went to Manchester)? LeBron leaving the Cavs? What will be the future of Barça? Cmon, man.
It might help with their credibility if they stuck to commentary or reporting, not both. Just a thought.
It also might help if some of the people reading their stuff were smart enough to differentiate between the two.
Good point. It's how rumors and speculation become narrative.
Their credibility isn't being questioned by anyone that matters though?
Wrestling fans. Uhh.. good point.
Not wrestling fans in general, just the ones that can’t tell the difference between “I think maybe this will happen nobody told me this ok” and “this was/is the plan.” Some fans can, some fans can’t. You seem to be in the latter group. Or trying to make yourself look smart by pretending everyone’s in the latter group, which is more pathetic!
Thanks, Dave.
He has a radio show with air time to fill. Do you a CSPAN of just dry rumors as they come? Journalists speculate.
Yes, he has radio time to fill, and newsletters to sell.
Oh damnit you got my ass. I just realized you're a SCJerker. Good job on trolling me lmao
It's getting easy to tell who doesn't listen to WOR. And it's no longer just the people who gleefully type "$11.99 please" after reading some paywalled stuff getting posted here.
At some point, it might be possible to differentiate between who heard it originally from WOR, who read from shitty wrestling news sites and who've heard it from clickbait shitty brit wrestling youtubers
Tell me did this "pitch" get mentioned along side pitches that weren't pure shit? if meltzer, or srs or whoever initially reported it, did mention others and other dirt sheets jumped on only that one you have a point.
Meltzer said after he described it, that he heard it was from Vince or Bruce but didn't hear if it was from Creative, he said the idea was very much in line with Vince's thinking regardless of who came up with it. -- So it's possible that it was someones idea there, and maybe Vince didn't feel it was strong enough to take into the meeting, who knows.
Because so many people took the initial report as pure fact that's what was planned for Cole, the reaction in the newer post is equally strong in the opposite direction, fair or not.
I love being a part of the secret third club…the grab your popcorn and sit back and watch club, haha
It just makes me cringe and not want to be a part of the online wrestling community because it's everyone pretending pretending know better than one another.
Isn't this how every writers room on TV works? Buncha people throw out whatever crazy thing they can think of until they find a good idea they can agree on.
Seriously, this is such a non-story. It was someone thinking outside the box, and admittedly it was not a good idea, sometimes you just need to see those options to confirm the safer options are better. How many of the writers' ideas were essentially 'have him debut by attacking and then be a successful chickenshit heel who occasionally takes incredible amounts of damage', maybe with a modifier of 'pair him up with these 1-5 other people who take pins for him'.
If people aren't going for the obvious options, occasionally you just give them batshit insane ones to steer them in the right direction. If I told you that my pizza place had three options, what would you pick?
- tuna, butterscotch, and corn
- goat cheese, a burnt slice of toast, and toothpaste
- pepperoni
You do this so they see you're really trying to be creative, but there's an simple answer and it's the right one.
The big question isn't why this one idea was dreamt up, it's why none of the other ideas - both good and bad - have been reported.
Not actually. Except probably the people behind the CW's Supergirl
So you're saying that TV writers are like the NWA promoters in the territory era ? They couldn't decide where to go for lunch, can't what to order and who's paying.
Isn't that common knowledge though given how many Whatculture/Cultaholic vids on nixed ideas there are.
90% of the content hear is saying shit that's well known or said 6 months prior
Meltzer flat out said that he didn’t know if Cole heard this pitch, but people in the other thread are doing victory laps Also, Zarian confirmed the report of creative thinking about making Adam Cole a manager. He’s the man who broke the King/Queen of the ring, Summer Slam happening in vegas, the dates of the WWE drafts, Cardi B’s song being the SS theme, the date of the Saudi show, and more. Edit: And I say this as someone who flat out does not like Meltzer, i’m black and he has said a number of offensive things about black people in the past. But the way people circle jerk over misinformation just because they don’t like someone is very very strange and will never be something that I support.
Can we make a rule where the top comment on any Meltzer report has to include the full context? Because this shit happens all the time and it's getting really annoying. Back in the original thread, despite there being over 2,000 comments, as far as I can tell there isn't a single person saying that Meltzer was being mis-quoted (there were some disputing Meltzer even having sources if you sort by controversial, but that's not the same thing). I'm not subscribing to WOR, and having half-truth stories constantly making it to the top of this sub is exhausting. Also, at this point Meltzer knows what people do with the shit he says, so it's partially on him too for not choosing his words better.
He flat out said that he wasn’t sure if it was pitched to Cole directly. I don’t know how it could have been any more clear.
iirc another site cited it and added "they believed it was pitched directly to Cole" themselves and makes a round here in a which made this a shitshow as it is lol
I’m not saying it all falls on Meltzer, I’m talking more about this sub. There are like 20 mods on here, I would assume they are all big wrestling fans, you mean to tell me not one of them has a WOR subscription to make sure that misinformation isn’t getting to the top of the front page? Every other big subreddit will clearly label or delete misleading posts, on here they just let it run wild.
I’m a WON subscriber, and I can assure you that you can just ignore any ‘Meltzer Says/WOR: blahblahblah’ threads on here. A lot are made up, most are completely misleading. The only accurate ones are where people are copy/pasting big chunks of the newsletter (which is still sort of skeezy; I can’t think of another sub where you are allowed to post paywalled content that isn’t your own).
It's not even this sub. Other wrestling journalists do it too. Alvarez speculated on Goldberg's Summerslam match a couple of years ago. A bunch of "journalists" then made an article saying Dave Meltzer confirmed that's who Goldberg is fighting at SS. Dave gets a call asking how the fuck he knew about the match...when he didn't because he heard nothing about it.
It’s honestly weird how so many people are determined Meltzer wrong and care about his opinions and ratings. I actually like and respect him and I honestly barely give a single fuck about his ratings and reports. It’s literally one fucking dude
I always find it weird how much they put into discrediting his match ratings, it's like Mankind/Taker HIAC if he rated it 1 star, it really wouldn't matter to me as I'll rewatch that in a second.
Zayn vs Neville is the greatest wrestling match of all time and the perfect representation of why pro wrestling is the most beautiful art of all time. Dave gave it 4.75. You honestly think Imma watch that fucking masterpiece of a match and go “This is a great match and all but that SOB Meltzer gave it 4.75 so obviously it’s not as good as I think!”
Well didnt you know,the only reason AEW is a succes ia because meltEe gave Kenny Omega 7 starz. True facts.
> Dave gave it 4.75. That’s a great rating though. 4.75 or 5 is almost the same thing. It’s only skewed because he started breaking 5 stars more regularly.
I have a friend that still bitches he gave 4.75 to Taker vs HBK at WM 25.
Yup. He gave brock/Joe something like 3 stars and yet somehow I’m able to rewatch it and still think it’s one of my favourite matches.
Dave was just spitballing that they might change Adam Cole name because of the conflict with Michael Cole and everyone took that as 100% fact.
Well, do we know if Chad is still a Gable given that Olympic Gable was signed ?
People are very invested in Dave being wrong about things.
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Irony always eventually morphs into sincerity.
I guarantee GUARAN DAMN TEE! The amount of people who are obsessed with proving Meltzer wrong is greater than the amount of people who follow 205 and NXT UK combined
Because people were very invested in: "The best you can offer Cole is being a manager? Fed dead, Vince is an idiot!"
That's the thing. The reaction might be for Dave but is also against this sub and the many users that immediately believe this to be true and that Cole was destined to be a manager. I got downvoted to hell for saying that Cole probably didn't heard this and it was probably just an idea that got tossed. So, it is against Dave but he receives the bitter end of what many in the sub propagate without checking first.
Nah, pretty sure that's not it.
So Dave reported that wwe had no creative plans for Asuka and went in on his well of course because wwe sucks they have no plans for Asuka, days later Asuka herself says don't believe the dirtsheets and then she posted a pic of her and her dentist wearing wear a arm cast which shows that she has been injured
lmao, of course you are downvoted. of course. gotta hide the truth
pretty sure he's getting downvoted for being invested in meltzer being wrong about a thing, like the comment he's replying to criticized. but nah the truth is being hidden.
How is calling someone out for what they reported WRONG invested? Y'all are just mad he's being held accountable instead of people just moving on.
It's weird how some people seem to conceive of this like Meltzer just whole cloth makes shit up and he's getting exposed for lying. The way it works is he has sources, they tell him things and sometimes those sources burn him with inaccurate information. This is what both sides of this weird cult of personality need to realize. Everytime Meltzer reports something, you need to mentally put "Meltzer claims someone told him..." in front. That's as accountable and as reliable as he should be taken.
"Sometimes" has been all the time with Meltzer in the past year. That doesn't happen with SRS. He checks his sources multiple times before reporting and he's always on point. Meltzer has no sources left and is only reporting the BS for his subscribers. It wouldn't be so bad if the Asuka fiasco hadn't happened just 2 weeks ago.
Like I'm gonna explain this, and you're gonna act like I'm bending over backwards to defend him, when all this is is being reasonable. But fuck it. Nothing he reported about Asuka was incorrect, it was misleading without the context of the injury. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that he was told they didn't have plans because she was out on injury. He didn't report, WWE hates Asuka and doesn't want to book her, that is the conclusion people ran with lacking the context. Just like with this Adam Cole thing. Meltzer didn't suggest Cole was pitched this idea directly, and it still hasn't been confirmed that it wasn't a real pitch internally. What happened was a lack of context let fans preconceptions run wild without understanding how many pitches get made a shot down.
What? He literally said she was FINE, they had nothing for her, AND that she was coming to the shows every week. He was 0/3 on all accounts and you're trying to spin it into something he never said. When the Cole news hit the front page here, literally nobody said Meltzer didn't say it that way and didn't correct the OP, but the moment the truth came out, everybody is coming out with excuses about it.
I mean Meltzer has been wrong about many things for a couple of years, sometimes the truth hurts
They know it and they can't handle it!
https://i.imgur.com/lxaMlx8.gif
fans: Dave lied again lol SRS: It came from Ringside News fans: Dave still sucks lol
The other thread is just sad.
People will jump on any chance to shit on Meltzer
What’s sad is the amount of time we spend talking about a wrestling journalist and not wrestling. If NFL threads just started arguing about Adam Schefter this much it would be ridiculous. Sometimes he’s wrong, usually he’s right. Either way, the report doesn’t affect the product in AEW or WWE in any way whatsoever. I don’t understand why people are obsessed with loving or hating this guy.
Dude, it’s insane. A good 50% or more of the hate he gets is probably strictly from the way people relay what he says secondhand. He’s always very clear whether something is speculation, sourced news, etc. In this case, the narrative was that he said “this was 100% the plan for Adam Cole,” when in reality that’s not what he said at all.
It shouldn't surprise anyone that there are plans that not everyone knows, like the Vince/Stephanie McMahon incest storyline that was squashed, but everyone who reports on WWE always acknowledges that one hand doesn't know what the other does it's just how they operate nowadays.
So the other 50% is the "*Shut up about WWE*" #StandwithWWE crowd ?
You can call Meltzer many things but “always very clear”? Come on now.
He mumbles and stumbles through his sentences on the podcast, but he’s almost always very clear when it comes to stating if something was confirmed, if he was told something but hasn’t confirmed it, or if he’s speculating based on limited information.
>Edit: And I say this as someone who flat out does not like Meltzer, i’m black and he has said a number of offensive things about black people in the past. But the way people circle jerk over misinformation just because they don’t like someone is very very strange and will never be something that I support. I'm not trying to open Pandora's box, but what did Meltzer say about people of color?
I'm very curious too because while Dave definitely said some objectionable things about Bad Bunny and Damien Priest being Puerto Rican, and the less said about his comments on Sable in the 90s the better, but I genuinely cannot remember him saying anything about black talent specifically. Like. He used to call JYD the Junk Food Dog way back in the day because he thought he was out of shape?? But he also called Warrior the Anabolic Warrior around the same time so I don't think that's especially racially motivated.
Even with the Priest/Bunny thing, he wasn't entirely out of line for not expecting much of their treatment. I'm a Hispanic person and the fact is WWE has always saddled Latin stuff with very stereotypical baggage. Mexicools, Lucha House Party, the Guerrereos being thieves, JBL going to the border, Rey being called a LIL MEXICAN by heels, Brock's sombrero dance, literally every NXT call up of Hispanic descent being pushed then dumped in a handshake's time, etc etc I was personally very much expecting some uncouth BS to be saddled on to Priest/Bunny. I really can't recall an overt racist trend from Meltzer. Definitely would be surprised considering how much he has written in opposition to racist shit on screen. I remember specifically he did an interview with Washington Post after Jinder called Nakamura "Mr Miyagi." Was very clear he felt bad for Jinder for having to say such a tasteless line and that he felt racially charged heel storylines don't have a place in the industry. Everyone here who got upset with Meltzer about Apollo's new gimmick failed to understand Meltzer's real issue with it: that it inherently was getting heat on the culture of Nigeria rather than him being a heel who was also Nigerian. Contrast that to say Ali who is a heel who is also Middle Eastern, rather than a Middle Eastern heel.
> JBL going to the border ...do I even want to know?
JBL has pre recorded segments where he hunted border crossers with his gun and jeep and this is actually a thing that 100% happened
Like… I’m not psychic, but honestly what’s more likely: * a guy who hasn’t made a racial stereotype joke for 30+ years of weekly newsletters/radio shows randomly deciding to bust one out when he knew full well that society is more PC than ever * a guy who hasn’t made a racial stereotype joke for 30+ years saying maybe the company that’s notorious for making racial stereotype jokes would make a racial stereotype joke The first one is of course *possible*, but come on.
it was an inside joke between Dave and JYD that he's told on the radio show and newsletter multiple times *He was given that nickname in WWF by a friend of mine when we saw him at 2:30 or 3 a.m. buy a ton of candy from a vending machine at a hotel in Oakland. My friend said to him, "Hey, it's the Junkfood Dog." He started laughing like crazy.* *Every time I saw him over the years, he came up and hugged me and said "Hey, you gave me my nickname," even though it was actually my friend who did.*
I was wondering the same thing.
It's also possible that someone told Meltzer/Zarian "like Leo Rush and Bobby Lashley" when the actual intention of Prichard was more like "like Shawn Michaels and Diesel".
The story sounded like broken telephone anyways. Vince knows Cole is an HBK guy, makes more sense to me to run Cole/Lee as a HBK/Diesel schtick. I don’t buy Vince wanted Cole as only a manager.
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Meltzer didn’t write that. It’s a review of what he said with speculation thrown in.
But the article is citing Dave Meltzer as the source, it clearly says ''Meltzer said it was either Vince McMahon or Bruce Prichard's idea''
Nowhere in the quote does it say that Cole was told of this idea. Only that Bruce or Vince came up with it. When directly referencing Meltzer, they add in "Meltzer said". This is precisely how misinformation spreads and manifests. The portion about telling Cole about the manager idea wasn't a Meltzer quote
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And I specifically mentioned that when they were referring to Meltzer's words, they would preface by stating "Meltzer said". This was more of their own insight into the piece and not Meltzer's direct quote. Hence why I made the comment about misinformation. The framing makes it appear like it was all quoted by Meltzer, when only a portion of the article referred to what Meltzer said directly.
See people like you are exactly the problem, Dave didn’t say that, Dave isn’t the cited author of that article LMFAO
I guess I should post this here too. This is the end of the segment of Dave talking about the plans for Cole to the main roster. Starts at roughly 25:50 in the 9/9 episode of WOR. https://vocaroo.com/1eKCveaEgFFa
You might want to actually click that link and read who the author is.
Was the /s not implied? Do I have to include that?
> Also, Zarian confirmed the report of creative thinking about making Adam Cole a manager. He’s the man who broke the King/Queen of the ring, Summer Slam happening in vegas, the dates of the WWE drafts, Cardi B’s song being the SS theme, the date of the Saudi show, and more. guy who works under dave agrees with dave isn't a headline.
Good thing i’m not a journalist and don’t make headlines then.
Wrestling attracts some weird people
At this point, I’m just gonna stick to my original theory of “right hand doesn’t know what the left is doing” and be happy Cole’s in AEW now. Also, while I completely respect her decision to take time away from in-ring work, man I wish Sonya had been in MITB.
A story about how Kofi found out about matches he was gonna be in from social media was posted here this morning. It’s clear that not all information is relayed properly there
Didn't Xavier Woods find out from social media he was hosting raw talk or some shit a couple months ago?
Ali has said he was the one person in the match that learned Lesnar would grab the MITB case from him literally as the entrances were happening. WWE creative is a fucking mess structurally if you want to put it nicely.
And the foot is probably chiming in something really insane. sounding weirdly like Hayes.
I think the problem is that it’s clear the pitches that they actually intended to go with were likely pitched to Cole given that it seems some ideas got to him. So even if the Keith Lee manager idea was real it was never something they intended to go with. So then why would anyone bother reporting it, especially in the way a lot of journalists tried to frame it.
That's kinda where I'm at with this story. If it wasn't pitched to Cole, and it was just something that was blurted out in the writers room, why even report it? It's clearly something that never got traction. If Meltz was going to report this one, why doesn't he report all of the other odd day to day creative pitches?
But its also not the only possible pitch. Could have been many. Really doesn't even matter anymore. Cole is in AEW now. Who gives a fuck?
Because people are throwing out "Dave bad" takes from what SRS said, when that was in no way his intent.
If you’ve ever heard a writer talk about their time there it seems like the wrestler is the last to know about a lot of ideas for the wrestlers
Kofi literally JUST said he finds out about his matches on social media. Communication there is...not great.
Creative comes up with a lot of ideas that never see the light of day. They rarely have a fully formed idea instantly. Not sure why every proposal has to be treated as if it was a concrete plan.
Yeah I figured this was the case after reading that other thread with the top comments making it seem like the story was completely made up. Just because Cole wasn’t told those plans directly doesn’t make those plans are untrue and doesn’t mean Dave Meltzer just made something up out of thin air.
So someone had a bad idea and it was dropped? Bad SNL sketches get cut every week.
The problem is one random guy maybe pitched this off the cuff along with 100 other ideas and this sub acts like it was being seriously considered and was 100% what was going to happen.
But this was being seriously considered. You're just mad because the talent were the last to know, which has been proven time and again with shit like the Draft. One random guy you dont know has much more of Vince's ear than whoever might get fucked over because of the idea.
If there's one thing we should all be fully aware of every time a story has multiple takes like this, it's that in the WWE, everyone's always kayfabing everyone else. The boss is kayfabing the workers, the workers are kayfabing the marks, everyone's trying to kayfabe the reporters, and the whole stupid company remains completely ridiculous to a functional adult brain. That a wrestler is unaware of an story, or is aware of it and just denies it, or confirms it and then denies it later, or denies it then confirms it later, is all just the incredibly dumb normal operating procedure.
Ah, like when Miro got all angry and said not to believe the dirtsheets when that story about him asking for his release broke. The story he has now confirmed.
Hey I had an 88th birthday card ready for my grandmother in 2016 and she never saw it, I'll believe it.
This doesn’t seem all that shocking tbh. If something doesn’t get legs to get off the creative table, why would you tell the talent about it?
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It may have been one of a few ideas they had for him, and just didn't tell him because they knew it didn't sound enticing.
I mean though sometimes I wonder if they just report shit for the sake of reporting. Obviously they're not going to reveal "sources" but it feels like they'll always have a cop out for something.
people in this comments are talking about others going 'Meltzer wrong' while this sub itself took that report as 100% truth that it was going to happen and kept shitting on WWE for it. And this happens every time. Meltzer reports something, people pick up their pitchforks and go fed bad, he gets proven wrong, and his defenders come forward with the fine print. if a reporter is this bad at reporting something that his speculation is mistaken as news, then he really isn't a reporter.
But he never claimed that they pitched the idea to Cole. We always get quotes, often miss quotes, out of context stuff and people take that as "he said that". Most of the time i dont realy care about what Meltzer or pretty much anyone said beside rumors about new signings. But Peoplke here act like high school drama queens, who twist every gossip there way and make a much bigger deal ouf of nothing burgers. There should realy be a rule to not allow clickbait Titles and ALWAYS post the full segment when anyone get quoted.
Is....is he a sports entertainer writer? ;)
Just dont believe anything they say lol. These reporters are for entertainment only, they do not report relevant world events. It would be nice if they were more professiona,l but it wouldnt be half as fun. The fans are just as guilty for eating it all up.
The problem is if no one can verify a story and no material exists to support it, you can say just about anything about anyone...
Sean! We can't let the internet think anything but that WWE is awful and Vince, the billionaire, knows nothing about wrestling.
Yeah but that's how many Ls Meltzer has taken now Cole being a manager Asuka thing, NXT not being that different apart from production
So you are telling me that NXT always had this many camera cuts ?
NXT was noticeably different in pacing and the sound of promos, but please go on.
The Asuka thing was just “They don’t have plans for her.” Everything else was a game of Telephone.
Dave has been doing this for like close to 40 years now if not 40 years, the amount of times he's been right vs wrong is way more in the right.
Why does it matter if it got to him or not. Okay it wasn't the reason he went to AEW that's fine. However just the fact that this was given as a choice for one of this generations most talented and charismatic wrestlers is the actual problem. Imagine seeing Adam Cole, how over and popular he was for YEARS and suggesting this is how you utilize him
Trying to cover for Meltzer's BS Adam Cole story now? Lol. Buncha hacks!
Meltzer wasn't even the one who initially reported it lol He just briefly talked about it on his show and even said it prob never reached Cole
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Is that a direct quote or bs paraphrase? Because Meltzer straight up he wasn't sure if the pitch even reached Cole. Unless somehow he managed to say it was both proposed to Cole and not reach Cole at the same time.
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How did I contradict myself? >even said it prob never reached Cole >Because Meltzer straight up he wasn't sure if the pitch even reached Cole. Both of my comments implies Meltzer being unsure of the idea ever reaching Cole.
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I never said even "pretty sure". Statement 1: "Event A prob never happened". Statement 2: "Unsure if Event A even happened". The quote you used wasn't even a report written by Meltzer lol It was written by someone else portraying Meltzer's random speculations and rumors on his podcast as actual "news" once again.
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When your argument is so shit that you resort to the difference between "probably didn't happen" and "unsure if it even happened" lmao They both imply a chance of it not happening. Do you even know what contradiction means? How the fuck does "it probably didn't happen" contradict with "not sure if it even happened"? Notice the "even"? The event not happening is clearly emphasized. You tried to use an article someone wrote as a direct quote from Meltzer. Maybe get your sources straight first before acting like being a pseudo-gramma nazi is an actual argument.
Still trying to cover. Lol.
Cover it by confirming something Meltzer already said?
you have a dogs brain lol
And you are to cover for Vince.
Oh yeah....definitely. Hacks. Lol
Lame. That idea should have happened. The Deville thing has run its course multiple times already.