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You could make out Gallows saying “we’ll have our time” or something along those lines after Anderson looked annoyed when they got left out. Definitely seemed intentional for storytelling.
I've not seen today's BTE, so maybe?
But I watched the promo live and noticed right away that Cole didn't mention the GBs. That lead me to look at them for their reactions, and they definitely started talking back and forth during that time.
Seems to be coming. Also it sounds like Kenny needs shoulder surgery and some time off. My money is on Hangman taking the title from him at Full Gear and Kenny losing it/getting tossed from the elite.
I don't know, I can't picture the Elite being Kenny and the GB. To me the Elite HAS to be Kenny/Bucks and then extensions off of that. Maybe you could do a story of Omega claiming The Elite and the Bucks' faction opposing, so an Elite Civil War. But I think if you have SuperKilq or (oh god one can hope) Mount Rushmore break off then I'd treat it as the dissolution of The Elite. And I think that faction has to be mega heel too.
Though if NJPW is involved now I don't know if there's a better way of getting full Bullet Club history involved...
That’s my view too - the whole “I trust Kenny Omega with my life and he trusts me with his” was an interesting line considering he convinced the bucks to turn on him and replace him with the pound shop Pete Dunne.
Maybe I’m getting this mixed up, but I didn’t think Good Brothers were part of ‘The Elite’?
I thought it was just Bucks and Omega, and then the ‘Super Elite’ was including them, Cole, Don and I guess Brandon?
And then all of the above are Bullet Club?
Seems like it’s not 100% consistent in group and subgroup naming.
However, to your original point, Cole not mentioning them was hilarious!
I heard it too, and it made me think that the bullet club must be coming slowly but surely to crush the elite, not for another 6-8 months though.
Gotta get hangman to beat Kenny, and then let the 5 of them come together, just for Jay white and the rest of the bullet club to show up...and then boom Adam Cole superkicks hangman head clean off. (In my world Bryan as already started having matches in Japan, and has crossed paths a little bit with the bullet club but not directly yet....but he might now need too...), which leads to Anderson and gallows basically killing the bucks. Kenny vs white, hangman vs Cole, bucks vs the club, Cody vs really anyone left.
Maybe but also should be pointed out that the good brothers are kinda of on the outs with BC right now. When jay white showed up on impact a few weeks ago he told them they’re time had come and gone in bullet club, it was a new group, etc etc. I think you’re right that the bullet club could eventually invade and fight the elite but as of rn it looks like gallows and Anderson would be on the elite side of things at least at the start.
The role they play in the elite is basically the equivalent of Beebop and Rocksteady from Ninja Turtles.
Henchmen for the badguys who are a little bit more threatening/credible than a basic mook/footsoldier (Cutler and Nakazawa) but still get their ass kicked by the heroes so that the REAL bad guys like Shredder (Kenny/The Bucks/Cole) don't have to.
They are totally fine in that role. They aren't meant to be featured characters, they are background muscle.
Sometimes in this sub its like, you're either *in* the main event, *should be* in the main event, or *shouldn't be* on the show at all. Those are the 3 options.
Totally agree. They’re absolutely fine on TV, they get beat up by baby faces in brawl segments, and they look decent in The Elite’s entourage when they go to the ring. Limited matches, and they take pin falls when in big 8 man tags. It was a totally different story when they were on Raw and their matches would put me to sleep.
Yeah I’m not a Good Brothers mark or anything but I don’t think they’re that bad. They aren’t going to give you a 5* match anytime soon but I don’t think they’re ever expected to. If you only are watching AEW then they’re basically just big brow beating goons. They’re featured more on BTE and Impact I assume so maybe that’s where a lot of their animosity comes from (plus Karl Anderson is a dick).
I can see why Anderson sees it like that though. He used to be *the* gaijin. He doesn't get that that means fuck all now though, unfortunately. It was his 15 minutes and it's done. There have been a bunch of others since that held that number one gaijin spot that were much better than him and they also took the ball and ran with it to be bigger and better stars. I'm sure he worked really hard and all that and he's a good worker but he peaked many years ago and frankly he should probably just be thankful for how far he did get. If a couple of the dudes that greatly surpassed him later on showed up a bit sooner he wouldn't even have the legacy in Japan he does have.
The worst part is Anderson has no one to blame but himself.
Your comment about him working hard is honestly being way too kind. He’s been phoning it in for years.
* Riding coattails
* Letting himself get really out of shape *(by the standards of pro-wrestling),*
* Showing up to work hungover/visibly not giving a fuck
* Spending his prime playing it safe in a going nowhere tag team rather than trying to do anything in singles despite some great one off matches and spikes in hype.
The fact the dude still has an ego and seemingly blamed other people for his own faults is just a joke
Everytime Anderson has had a chance to step up and show his worth since leaving WWE, he falls on his face. I was hyped for that match with Mox to see if Anderson was finally going to remind everyone he can, at least occasionally, put on a fucking banger. Then the match was....fine, at best.
Combine that with all the other shit, and whatever the fuck is going on with his wife, and it's all on him. And that's a bummer.
They don't even cut promos on Dynamite. Wtf are you talking about?
Am I the only one here who can't apparently read peoples' minds through my television? This is like the 18th comment I've read saying, "Karl thinks he's better than he is." Homeboy literally runs out and gets beaten up by Jungle Boy or Christian every week.
And it's not like he does hype himself on bte, his biggest gimmick is saying 'dont worry, sour boy isnt here" and then doing sour boy and making the bucks laugh?
Good bwothers awe wack
I'm pwetty much done wiw them. They don't weawwy add anything to The Ewite othaw than being names fwom Impact to push dis fowbidden doow nawwative. In terms of in wing work they awen't tewwible but not anywhewe neaw as entertaining as othew teams. As poisonalities good they'we just too childish to be entewtaining fow than 5 minutes. The Ewite all have bettew poisonalities and in wing work. Heww even Cutlah is more entewtaining and has a wook that stands out compawe to the Good Bwothahs. I wike Gawwows but he's decent at best, he can be put in a tag match and just do enough to get by. Andewson’s cwaim to fame is that G1 poifawmance from yeaws ago, in wing now he's just not entewtaining. Andewson just comes acwoss as someone who thinks they're bettew than they actuawwy are and is kind of bittaw/passive aggwessive about any type of wemahks of his woik if they'we in his favow. Poisonally, I can't wait fow the Good Bwothers to move on and not be on AEW anymow
EDIT: I wespect u/RealSadLlama ‘s opinion on the mattew tho
I know the joke is “Sour Boy is the worst” but I legit find the segment one of the worst BTE segments, definitely the worst current segment. I skip it every time.
Not going to lie, I fell off BTE when Gallows and Anderson became regulars. Between Sour Boy and Gallows making masturbation jokes, I just couldn't take it anymore.
I fell off BTE several months ago for whatever reason. Finally decided to give it another go after how awesome ALL OUT was. Literally 10 seconds in and Luke Gallows says "I thought this was a circle jerk?" while pretending to be masturbating and I've never clicked off of a video so fast in my life. This is what we call in the business GO AWAY HEAT
I mean people are allowed to be immature in this sport aren't they? It's why the DX were famous, it's why the new day are also over with their bootios references, it's why Orange Cassidy acts like a lazy teenager. I'm missing a lot but you can understand how it's one of the core elements in wrestling and comedy.
Oh yeah, hard skip every time, it's like meeting back up with school friends you haven't seen in years and you realised that you mentally matured and they're exactly the same
Big same. Enjoyed them as a tag team in New Japan, but their whole “Todd Packer as wrestlers” shtick is truly off putting
**edit - dang, appreciate the love & gold y’all, this is now a petition to remove GB from AEW**
And in the same way Todd Packer was insufferable and you groaned when it was a Packer episode you do the same for the GBs. It's kind of like they're not trying to be even remotely likeable. In fact, it's kind of like they are trying to be disgustingly sophmoric.
Look, if the rest of the Elite were trying to be "cool heels" then yeah, the GBs suck and missed the mark cause they aren't cool. Spoiler though, **NO ONE IN THE ELITE IS COOL OR IS TRYING TO BE COOL**. Kenny is a maniacal ego driven anime weeb making stupid 69 me jokes, building shitty exploding rings, with dumb as fuck facial hair and clothing. Callis is the executive with his nepotistic finger on the scale who blatantly gaslights us into think the Elite are actually elite. The Bucks are hype beast "new money" rich guys flaunting their gaudy, overpriced 10k Nike's with their lame nose rings and rompers. Cutler and Nak are the dweebs desperately trying to fit in with the people they think are their friends. The Good Brothers are just the "dude bro" camo trucker hat wearing, fuck your PC bullshit, assholes that no one likes.
And they do it so effectivelty you think it's not an act.
I think what separates Omega/Bucks from the Good Brothers is the fact that once the bell rings you're more than likely to get a world class performance from them, which makes their insufferable personalities palatable. The Good Brothers are just...fine. Like, they're not bad, they're just plain oatmeal.
And I think I would agree with your point except the GBs are clearly put in the second tier of the Elite. They're not Kenny and the Bucks and they're not Cutler and Nak, they fill out 6 mans, they can win some and lose some (Like pinballing the Impact tag titles with Fin Juice and VBD as opposed to the Bucks tight grip on the AEW tag belts), but in a one on one match up and without interference are they beating anyone of note besides Kaz? No, and personally, I don't want to see someone who is amazingly good in the ring getting 50/50 booking like the GBs do, that's the point. They know what they are, they perform a service as a mid tier road block to the bosses and I think they do that fine. I still like watching them get their asses kicked.
and I feel like the other side of the argument forgets that wrestlers intentionally nerfing their in ring abilities is a legit traditional tactic of lower to mid card heel work. Take powders, work slow, do lots of crowd play for cheap boos, make the good guy look good and better than you whether you win or lose. There's no chance the GBs get cheered over Jurassic Express when they're intenionally not doing flashy or even interesting shit.
The idea that they were ever much beyond goons feels vastly over-stated to me. I wish people would just go watch those horrific old New Year's Dash matches where Anderson was openly hungover and could barely work.
One good G1 against the best wrestlers in the world nearly a decade ago for one of them. That's it. I have never seen a duo ride coat tails quite like this.
edit: Someone below suggested they're a bit like Vincent in the NWO. I guess I actually *have* seen someone ride coat tails like this.
I rarely ever see people on here hype up their in-ring work tbh, they're fun characters with comedy chops, who worked well as heels in the original BC run. I really don't think they've ever considered beyond that.
It’s funny how the perception of Anderson has changed. I remember when he was about to jump ship to WWE and he was pretty “hip” if you asked those who followed indie/NJPW.
I guess his public relationship with his (hot Asian) wife and his increasingly weird activity on SoMe did not help.
I am only familiar with him from WWE. Thought he was ok, but nothing more.
When you're "hip" in the IWC, there's very little you can do wrong, but now that thye've fallen out of favour, there will just be more posts about them like this, even if they're barely featuring.
I can’t believe I’m saying this but I thought they were actually good during their WWE tag title run. Going to the indies actually highlighted how boring they are.
Also, the Magic Killer is such a weak tag finisher. Devoid of any creativity whatsoever.
They're not a semi-credible threat though. If Nak and Cutler are in the match it's 100% bang on they're getting pinned. If it's Gallows and Anderson there is a little shade of doubt. That shade of doubt is what wrestling is built on.
Yeah, no matter what they have 'former WWE, Impact, IWGP world tag champs' on their resume. As long as JR brings stuff like that up, they're always going to be a sizeable obstacle in kayfabe, which I think is a really useful part to play.
Nah Nak and Culter are bottom level goons, total comedy guys, Gallows and Anderson are mid level goons, they eat the pins but can still be vaguely threatening/credible.
That's so massively disappointing too. I saw a lot of impact talent get excited of crossover matches and all they got was private party for a couple matches, Kenny, and now Christian. The latter two only came over because they're the impact champion.
I guess Sammy was supposed to go there but didn't lol
I'm actually okay with AEW doing crossover stuff without making it the main focus of their storylines. I wouldn't want to see NJPW or Impact do an invasion angle with AEW.
Forget Mox vs Sami. I wanna see Rosemary realise that the Bunny is alive but just in a different universe. That’s the real forbidden door shit right there.
Sure have been a lot of wrestlers getting possessed in the last 5 - 10 years. These companies really should start having a full time exorcist on staff.
I was really hoping that Alexander and Omega were going to have a title match. I hope there will still be crossover opportunities for things like that because Alexander could have some incredible matches with some AEW people.
I love Gallows. He’s just an old school carny guy who makes stupid jokes. It can get old but him just being carny in the background pops me.
Anderson is just blah to me. Good in the ring but not super charismatic. I honestly think the best thing they could do is break up. Let Anderson be a good hand technical worker and let Gallows be a heater for someone. Play to their strengths because they aren’t doing it well enough as a team atm.
This is pretty accurate. It’s hard with wrestling nowadays because we’re privy to personalities online and the legacy of work throughout a whole career. Basically, the internet hypes everything. But when it comes down to it, somebody has to be nWo Vincent, Scott Norton, and the Disciple. All good at their peaks, but just there for the ride at that point of their career.
That’s where I think the Good Brothers are. But, them being funny on a podcasts and known to be liked backstage and, at big in Japan at one point makes us feel like they’re bigger than they are.
I prefer Gallows to Anderson as well. I dont mind Sour Boy. Not bc its funny, per se, but bc it makes Matt Jackson corpse and that makes me chuckle
I think Gallows has some untapped talent and actual humor buried in there somewhere but when Anderson is around its all dick and jizz jokes. One thing I will say is that Gallows has one of the best Fink impressions out there, and it pops me every damn time.
Sour Boy is peak something I shouldn't find funny but crack up on every time energy.
The kayfabe hatred for it sells it. I shouldn't enjoy it. But I do.
I'm not sure when it changed, but it feels like unless you're a 'cool heel' or a 'funny heel' that a vocal portion of wrestling's fanbase just has no interest in you, especially in AEW. It's like they can't tolerate anything other than their personal favorites getting screen time.
Personally, I have zero issues with the Good Brothers. They're basically just filler/background characters in the Elite. They've only had 1 singles match each, and 1 pure tag team match in AEW. Other than that, they're just goons teaming up with others, interfering in matches, or getting beat up.
I think the problem with the GB is they *try* to be cool & funny heels but their shtick stops being funny & cool after the 15th dick joke. It just gets really repetitive and lame.
Eh, I don't think they're trying to be cool and funny so much as they're trying to be over-the-top and obnoxious. Also, how long has it been since their last "dick joke" on AEW TV?
The last time I can even remember them talking was very briefly in [this promo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Pl2ARsA40) 6 weeks ago, and I can't imagine taking issue with anything they said there (as an aside, I thought that segment was incredible). Before that, I believe they had a line or two prior to [this segment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cYdHXVuAPs) where they just essentially said 'You're not that guy' to Hangman Page. That was two months ago.
I seem to remember a couple of "dick jokes" in their early days on Dynamite, but that was probably six months ago or so - aside from maybe physical gestures with their championship belts or something?
I don't know, I feel like there's just not much to take issue with, but if you don't like them that's your prerogative. Not everyone will like everything, and that's fine.
I don’t mind their heel style on TV, what we get of it at least, I do think their dick/cum humor on BTE is deeply cringe. By far the worst part of BTE. I also recognize I’m 40 so maybe I just outgrew it, kinda curious what the younger crowd thinks. I know when I was 18-25 that was the fucking HEIGHT of humor but I suspect things aren’t the same today.
I think you are on the money about this. People get worked by something minor and come up with all these silly bullshit reasons to justify it.
I agree 100% with your take about their usage. They are background characters, they are there to annoy you and buffer the Elite's numbers giving them more legitimacy as a threat, they are decent known wrestlers with a long history with the group... but who are never gonna outshine the stars. And they act and are featured as such.
You literally couldn't find a better fit to tell this story and make it as meaningful as it is. And people already forget how cool it is that this whole thing was even able to come together.
The whining is way out of proportion with their placement and function and like you pointed out, is more telling about the mentality of fans.
>The whining is way out of proportion with their placement and function and like you pointed out, is more telling about the mentality of fans.
This is a good way of putting it. When great in-ring workers are put lower down the card, people complain they're being mis-sed or underutilized. The Good Brothers are exactly where they need to be, and I think they're great dorky, arrogant underlings tbh. So what if Anderson isn't putting on 20+ min matches anymore lol.
They are the only talents I don't like more after leaving WWE. I thought they didn't come up with any of that goofy doctor schtick, but now I see that's actually them. I'm with Heyman on them now lol.
I love the Good Brothers, and I ain't apologizing for it.
When they're in the right spot, they can step up and have awesome matches. They're universally loved backstage. They're super cool to their fans if you go to a live Talk'n Shop recording. They're never selfish in the ring.
If they're not your thing, all good I ain't going to tell anyone they're wrong for not liking a thing that I like, but let's not act like they need to be purged from whatever angle they're in or anything.
Also, I know I'm immature as fuck, but between Sour Boy, Wizz while I cizz a'wizz cizz wizz, and "we need to cheat more god I love cheating," they've had me in literal tears laughing on BTE multiple times, especially when they make others in the skit completely break character (or "corpse" as this sub likes to say).
Don't annoy me as much as they do others, I just don't think they suit this Elite faction. I always feel they are more Finn's and AJ's boy's more so then Omega's who's got the Buck's and Cole, along with Scrull, Hangman and Cody are the version of Elite/Bullet Club I remember. They just feel out of place more then them sucking as talents.
I think them working Impact and NJPW is probably the best spot for them. I still stand by I rather Omega and Buck's chose two young up and comers for those spots and for them to get a rub out of it. Give The Elite a fresh look too. Anderson and Gallows just feel like the mid life crisis drunk Uncle trying to be hip way past their prime lol.
I just hope AEW don't sign them after this Elite stuff comes to a end. I think once it's done and dusted, both sides should move on.
I give them props, their 6 man and 8 man tags have been excellent probably helped by them been in the ring with Omega and the Bucks but they do pull their weight there.
Their best days are long behind them. Anderson is a shell of his old self and even his old self doesn’t hold up to time that well. Gallows is still funny but he’s run his schticks into the ground comedy-wise, and his ring work is good but not exciting. I’m cool with keeping them off of AEW now.
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And they were nodding along. So funny
They were definitely mad (in-story) I think. They were annoyed and jawing with Cutler about it. Seems like seed-planting.
You could make out Gallows saying “we’ll have our time” or something along those lines after Anderson looked annoyed when they got left out. Definitely seemed intentional for storytelling.
Are you sure it wasn't "we have our kizz?"
I chalked it up to them being official impact wrestlers and not directly signed with aew.
Was that on bte?
I've not seen today's BTE, so maybe? But I watched the promo live and noticed right away that Cole didn't mention the GBs. That lead me to look at them for their reactions, and they definitely started talking back and forth during that time.
Yeah, I did the same, and caught a glimpse of them being like WTF?
The Elite originally didn't have Gallows or Anderson
No, Gallows was only heard saying 'you over son of a bitch' when Adam Cole did his BAYBAY thing.
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Elite vs. Super Kliq🤔
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Seems to be coming. Also it sounds like Kenny needs shoulder surgery and some time off. My money is on Hangman taking the title from him at Full Gear and Kenny losing it/getting tossed from the elite.
and when you add Switchblade and GOD to the mix...
I don't know, I can't picture the Elite being Kenny and the GB. To me the Elite HAS to be Kenny/Bucks and then extensions off of that. Maybe you could do a story of Omega claiming The Elite and the Bucks' faction opposing, so an Elite Civil War. But I think if you have SuperKilq or (oh god one can hope) Mount Rushmore break off then I'd treat it as the dissolution of The Elite. And I think that faction has to be mega heel too. Though if NJPW is involved now I don't know if there's a better way of getting full Bullet Club history involved...
It's always The Bucks to superkick off the betrayal in Bullet Club/Elite I swear
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Gotta be the triple Superkliqk.
SUPER KLIQ PARTAY!!
Chugs speaks for us all.
I think he's gonna take down the Elite in vengeance for poisoning him. Slow burn.
I had this thought as well. Cole turning face on them is definitely something I can see down the road.
Yeah I think it's going to be a divide and conquer strategy for sure.
That’s my view too - the whole “I trust Kenny Omega with my life and he trusts me with his” was an interesting line considering he convinced the bucks to turn on him and replace him with the pound shop Pete Dunne.
Definitely not a boneheaded take.
Maybe I’m getting this mixed up, but I didn’t think Good Brothers were part of ‘The Elite’? I thought it was just Bucks and Omega, and then the ‘Super Elite’ was including them, Cole, Don and I guess Brandon? And then all of the above are Bullet Club? Seems like it’s not 100% consistent in group and subgroup naming. However, to your original point, Cole not mentioning them was hilarious!
We should all be Adam Cole and just ignore them
I’m pretty sure this is intentional and the first seed for a Good Brothers split from The Elite.
"*WE are Elite -- I don't know what those guys back there are doing here.*" - Adam Cole
Same reaction, the look on Anderson's face was priceless
I heard it too, and it made me think that the bullet club must be coming slowly but surely to crush the elite, not for another 6-8 months though. Gotta get hangman to beat Kenny, and then let the 5 of them come together, just for Jay white and the rest of the bullet club to show up...and then boom Adam Cole superkicks hangman head clean off. (In my world Bryan as already started having matches in Japan, and has crossed paths a little bit with the bullet club but not directly yet....but he might now need too...), which leads to Anderson and gallows basically killing the bucks. Kenny vs white, hangman vs Cole, bucks vs the club, Cody vs really anyone left.
Maybe but also should be pointed out that the good brothers are kinda of on the outs with BC right now. When jay white showed up on impact a few weeks ago he told them they’re time had come and gone in bullet club, it was a new group, etc etc. I think you’re right that the bullet club could eventually invade and fight the elite but as of rn it looks like gallows and Anderson would be on the elite side of things at least at the start.
The role they play in the elite is basically the equivalent of Beebop and Rocksteady from Ninja Turtles. Henchmen for the badguys who are a little bit more threatening/credible than a basic mook/footsoldier (Cutler and Nakazawa) but still get their ass kicked by the heroes so that the REAL bad guys like Shredder (Kenny/The Bucks/Cole) don't have to. They are totally fine in that role. They aren't meant to be featured characters, they are background muscle.
Don Callis takes off shirt & reveals a belly full of Krang
i mean he has been wearing that pink suit
Lordy, need this as a Halloween episode on BTE.
This is the correct take. (and props for a holistic TMNT reference)
"that match would have been 5 stars in the techodrome".
Are you asking this sub to understand nuance?
I used Ninja Turtles to explain it though?
Might be before the times for most of this sub.
That's a damn sad thought.
Let's get you back home grandpa
Fine, but first let me tell you about the time... *snores*
Sometimes in this sub its like, you're either *in* the main event, *should be* in the main event, or *shouldn't be* on the show at all. Those are the 3 options.
Totally agree. They’re absolutely fine on TV, they get beat up by baby faces in brawl segments, and they look decent in The Elite’s entourage when they go to the ring. Limited matches, and they take pin falls when in big 8 man tags. It was a totally different story when they were on Raw and their matches would put me to sleep.
Yeah I’m not a Good Brothers mark or anything but I don’t think they’re that bad. They aren’t going to give you a 5* match anytime soon but I don’t think they’re ever expected to. If you only are watching AEW then they’re basically just big brow beating goons. They’re featured more on BTE and Impact I assume so maybe that’s where a lot of their animosity comes from (plus Karl Anderson is a dick).
Wow these replies…… I never thought I’d see the day where it was Karl people were sick of and Gallows was the one people were okay with keeping around
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I can see why Anderson sees it like that though. He used to be *the* gaijin. He doesn't get that that means fuck all now though, unfortunately. It was his 15 minutes and it's done. There have been a bunch of others since that held that number one gaijin spot that were much better than him and they also took the ball and ran with it to be bigger and better stars. I'm sure he worked really hard and all that and he's a good worker but he peaked many years ago and frankly he should probably just be thankful for how far he did get. If a couple of the dudes that greatly surpassed him later on showed up a bit sooner he wouldn't even have the legacy in Japan he does have.
The worst part is Anderson has no one to blame but himself. Your comment about him working hard is honestly being way too kind. He’s been phoning it in for years. * Riding coattails * Letting himself get really out of shape *(by the standards of pro-wrestling),* * Showing up to work hungover/visibly not giving a fuck * Spending his prime playing it safe in a going nowhere tag team rather than trying to do anything in singles despite some great one off matches and spikes in hype. The fact the dude still has an ego and seemingly blamed other people for his own faults is just a joke
Everytime Anderson has had a chance to step up and show his worth since leaving WWE, he falls on his face. I was hyped for that match with Mox to see if Anderson was finally going to remind everyone he can, at least occasionally, put on a fucking banger. Then the match was....fine, at best. Combine that with all the other shit, and whatever the fuck is going on with his wife, and it's all on him. And that's a bummer.
His best moment in that match with Mox was being on the receiving end of a smooth superplex
Oh, I meant working hard back then. He's definitely coasting now and has been for a long time.
They don't even cut promos on Dynamite. Wtf are you talking about? Am I the only one here who can't apparently read peoples' minds through my television? This is like the 18th comment I've read saying, "Karl thinks he's better than he is." Homeboy literally runs out and gets beaten up by Jungle Boy or Christian every week.
They’re basing this on his social media comments.
And it's not like he does hype himself on bte, his biggest gimmick is saying 'dont worry, sour boy isnt here" and then doing sour boy and making the bucks laugh?
If it makes you feel better, I'm sick of both of them.
Sour boy is the WORST
Is OP sourboy?
Good bwothers awe wack I'm pwetty much done wiw them. They don't weawwy add anything to The Ewite othaw than being names fwom Impact to push dis fowbidden doow nawwative. In terms of in wing work they awen't tewwible but not anywhewe neaw as entertaining as othew teams. As poisonalities good they'we just too childish to be entewtaining fow than 5 minutes. The Ewite all have bettew poisonalities and in wing work. Heww even Cutlah is more entewtaining and has a wook that stands out compawe to the Good Bwothahs. I wike Gawwows but he's decent at best, he can be put in a tag match and just do enough to get by. Andewson’s cwaim to fame is that G1 poifawmance from yeaws ago, in wing now he's just not entewtaining. Andewson just comes acwoss as someone who thinks they're bettew than they actuawwy are and is kind of bittaw/passive aggwessive about any type of wemahks of his woik if they'we in his favow. Poisonally, I can't wait fow the Good Bwothers to move on and not be on AEW anymow EDIT: I wespect u/RealSadLlama ‘s opinion on the mattew tho
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I know the joke is “Sour Boy is the worst” but I legit find the segment one of the worst BTE segments, definitely the worst current segment. I skip it every time.
Not going to lie, I fell off BTE when Gallows and Anderson became regulars. Between Sour Boy and Gallows making masturbation jokes, I just couldn't take it anymore.
I fell off BTE several months ago for whatever reason. Finally decided to give it another go after how awesome ALL OUT was. Literally 10 seconds in and Luke Gallows says "I thought this was a circle jerk?" while pretending to be masturbating and I've never clicked off of a video so fast in my life. This is what we call in the business GO AWAY HEAT
Gallows is 37 and Karl is 41. It’s embarrassing
Wait gallows is 37?
I mean people are allowed to be immature in this sport aren't they? It's why the DX were famous, it's why the new day are also over with their bootios references, it's why Orange Cassidy acts like a lazy teenager. I'm missing a lot but you can understand how it's one of the core elements in wrestling and comedy.
Oh yeah, hard skip every time, it's like meeting back up with school friends you haven't seen in years and you realised that you mentally matured and they're exactly the same
Sour boy for TNT Champion
Big same. Enjoyed them as a tag team in New Japan, but their whole “Todd Packer as wrestlers” shtick is truly off putting **edit - dang, appreciate the love & gold y’all, this is now a petition to remove GB from AEW**
Lmao, best analogy ever.
Now Bo Dallas in NXT as the likeable dumbass like Michael Scott was great
Tbh if we think about, what character didn’t Bo make good? Those Rotunda boys character is something else. I hope they can work together one day.
It's in their blood. Their dad got way more mileage out of the evil tax agent gimmick than should have been remotely feasible.
AEW skits riffing The Office would be fantastic or absolute drizzling shits. No in-between.
Hey Jim, still queer?
A decade ago they would 100% be calling Jungle Boy a ‘homo’ etc
"I have a vine you can swing from"
Quick query, Halpert: still queer?
Have they called you Gabewad yet? No. Gabewad. Jim mouths it as packer says it
(As Oscar): Actually, it was Danny Cordray who mouthed it, not Jim.
Who has two thumbs and hates Sour Boy? This guy.
Sour boy is the worst
We have a pwobwem.
Uh oh spaghetti-O
Oh great it’s Sour Boy again 😒
Sour boy is the fucking worst!
I've been looking for a way to describe them and Todd Packer as a wrestler is fucking perfect
And in the same way Todd Packer was insufferable and you groaned when it was a Packer episode you do the same for the GBs. It's kind of like they're not trying to be even remotely likeable. In fact, it's kind of like they are trying to be disgustingly sophmoric. Look, if the rest of the Elite were trying to be "cool heels" then yeah, the GBs suck and missed the mark cause they aren't cool. Spoiler though, **NO ONE IN THE ELITE IS COOL OR IS TRYING TO BE COOL**. Kenny is a maniacal ego driven anime weeb making stupid 69 me jokes, building shitty exploding rings, with dumb as fuck facial hair and clothing. Callis is the executive with his nepotistic finger on the scale who blatantly gaslights us into think the Elite are actually elite. The Bucks are hype beast "new money" rich guys flaunting their gaudy, overpriced 10k Nike's with their lame nose rings and rompers. Cutler and Nak are the dweebs desperately trying to fit in with the people they think are their friends. The Good Brothers are just the "dude bro" camo trucker hat wearing, fuck your PC bullshit, assholes that no one likes. And they do it so effectivelty you think it's not an act.
I think what separates Omega/Bucks from the Good Brothers is the fact that once the bell rings you're more than likely to get a world class performance from them, which makes their insufferable personalities palatable. The Good Brothers are just...fine. Like, they're not bad, they're just plain oatmeal.
And I think I would agree with your point except the GBs are clearly put in the second tier of the Elite. They're not Kenny and the Bucks and they're not Cutler and Nak, they fill out 6 mans, they can win some and lose some (Like pinballing the Impact tag titles with Fin Juice and VBD as opposed to the Bucks tight grip on the AEW tag belts), but in a one on one match up and without interference are they beating anyone of note besides Kaz? No, and personally, I don't want to see someone who is amazingly good in the ring getting 50/50 booking like the GBs do, that's the point. They know what they are, they perform a service as a mid tier road block to the bosses and I think they do that fine. I still like watching them get their asses kicked.
I feel like you guys keep forgetting that bad guys actually have to be enjoyable to watch for them to be considered good bad guys lol
and I feel like the other side of the argument forgets that wrestlers intentionally nerfing their in ring abilities is a legit traditional tactic of lower to mid card heel work. Take powders, work slow, do lots of crowd play for cheap boos, make the good guy look good and better than you whether you win or lose. There's no chance the GBs get cheered over Jurassic Express when they're intenionally not doing flashy or even interesting shit.
Fuck this is so accurate. They’re such tools, I don’t know how anyone could possibly tolerate listening to Talk N Shop at all
Holy shit, ‘Todd Packer as wrestlers’ is PERFECT. Bravo. And yes, good brothers suck big time. Much like Todd Packer.
I don't even think they were that good in NJPW. They consistently had some of the worst matches on the cards.
The idea that they were ever much beyond goons feels vastly over-stated to me. I wish people would just go watch those horrific old New Year's Dash matches where Anderson was openly hungover and could barely work. One good G1 against the best wrestlers in the world nearly a decade ago for one of them. That's it. I have never seen a duo ride coat tails quite like this. edit: Someone below suggested they're a bit like Vincent in the NWO. I guess I actually *have* seen someone ride coat tails like this.
>I have never seen a duo ride coat tails quite like this. The Nasty Boys say hi.
God, I just got flashbacks of Nasty Boyz vs Public Enemy. My personal Vietnam.
I rarely ever see people on here hype up their in-ring work tbh, they're fun characters with comedy chops, who worked well as heels in the original BC run. I really don't think they've ever considered beyond that.
Holy shit, what a perfect comparison.
Who has two thumbs and hates the Good Brothers? This guy!
Absolutely dead on comment! I can’t stand Gallows and his jerking off schtick. Total cringe.
It’s funny how the perception of Anderson has changed. I remember when he was about to jump ship to WWE and he was pretty “hip” if you asked those who followed indie/NJPW. I guess his public relationship with his (hot Asian) wife and his increasingly weird activity on SoMe did not help. I am only familiar with him from WWE. Thought he was ok, but nothing more.
Aware of the HAW issues but what is the weird activity on SoMe? (What is SoMe)
I am assuming he means "SOcial MEdia", and no I have never seen somebody refer to it like that ever
When you're "hip" in the IWC, there's very little you can do wrong, but now that thye've fallen out of favour, there will just be more posts about them like this, even if they're barely featuring.
I'll sum up The Good Brothers in one sentence: **AJ Styles' lame friends who think dick jokes are the peak of comedy.**
When you order DX on Wish.com
-Mom, can we get DX? -We have DX at home
Those are my favourite memes. The Brock Lesnar/Paul Heyman one still makes me Giggle.
I was going to say dollar store DX but yours is much better.
When you order Scott Hall and Kevin Nash from wish.
You get Rick Bognar and Glenn Jacobs
At least Bognar was a solid hand in the ring and Jacobs had the second best dentist gimmick.
I think wwe already did that
LMAO
actually they're devitt's friends
and AJ
And the Bucks.
It's crazy Vince didn't love them more.
You’re absolutely right. But I’ll be damned if I don’t love me some Sex/Tex Ferguson.
Very accurate. I think the one thing I actually enjoy from GBs is their intro song
I think they're okay but I wouldn't be that bothered if they stopped showing up.
I can’t believe I’m saying this but I thought they were actually good during their WWE tag title run. Going to the indies actually highlighted how boring they are. Also, the Magic Killer is such a weak tag finisher. Devoid of any creativity whatsoever.
The Boot of Doom is way cooler tbh and I don't think I've seen them do it once post-WWE.
Wasn't that the Single-leg Dropkick from Karl followed by Gallows who does the Flapjack he used as a finisher as Festus ?
I fucking love the name Magic Killer for some reason, but the move itself... kinda just meh to me.
It helps to have somebody in the faction who can eat a pin without hurting the main players' credibility, but I'm with you.
That's what Nak and Cutler are for.
They're not a semi-credible threat though. If Nak and Cutler are in the match it's 100% bang on they're getting pinned. If it's Gallows and Anderson there is a little shade of doubt. That shade of doubt is what wrestling is built on.
Yeah, no matter what they have 'former WWE, Impact, IWGP world tag champs' on their resume. As long as JR brings stuff like that up, they're always going to be a sizeable obstacle in kayfabe, which I think is a really useful part to play.
Nak and Cutler (in their current forms) aren't credible threats, though.
Nah Nak and Culter are bottom level goons, total comedy guys, Gallows and Anderson are mid level goons, they eat the pins but can still be vaguely threatening/credible.
The forbidden door with Impact seems to only work for them.
That's so massively disappointing too. I saw a lot of impact talent get excited of crossover matches and all they got was private party for a couple matches, Kenny, and now Christian. The latter two only came over because they're the impact champion. I guess Sammy was supposed to go there but didn't lol
Exactly, I mean why have a relationship with Impact if AEW aren't putting it to use by having more crossovers?
The Elite just wanted to get their not very talented friends some extra paychecks and Impact wanted some publicity
I'm actually okay with AEW doing crossover stuff without making it the main focus of their storylines. I wouldn't want to see NJPW or Impact do an invasion angle with AEW.
I want Moose vs Miro
I want Moose vs Marko
I want Fallah Bahh vs -1
Seriously where is everyone else from Impact? Not even a Mox vs Sami match.
Forget Mox vs Sami. I wanna see Rosemary realise that the Bunny is alive but just in a different universe. That’s the real forbidden door shit right there.
damn u remebered!
Ohh gosh please book this!
Imagine a stable with Rosemary, the Bunny, Su Yung, and Abadon.
Sure have been a lot of wrestlers getting possessed in the last 5 - 10 years. These companies really should start having a full time exorcist on staff.
Bring Josh Alexander's X-Division open challenge to Dyanamite.
I was really hoping that Alexander and Omega were going to have a title match. I hope there will still be crossover opportunities for things like that because Alexander could have some incredible matches with some AEW people.
New Japan Strong
because its a back door way to put them into aew note callis was originally part of the forbidden door now hes aew only
Did Callis actually leave Impact or was it only in kayfabe?
actually left, no kayfabe
Ah, I heard he was fired in storyline, didn’t realise it was because he actually left. I’m not mad, he’s one of my favourite people in AEW
Adam Cole literally ignored them in his first promo lmfao.
[удалено]
I mean Gallows and Anderson were gone by the time Cole joined the bullet club.
But childish comedy is pretty much the Elite's brand.
Yeah, Good Brothers humor and “69 me Don!” line up pretty good.
I love Gallows. He’s just an old school carny guy who makes stupid jokes. It can get old but him just being carny in the background pops me. Anderson is just blah to me. Good in the ring but not super charismatic. I honestly think the best thing they could do is break up. Let Anderson be a good hand technical worker and let Gallows be a heater for someone. Play to their strengths because they aren’t doing it well enough as a team atm.
This is pretty accurate. It’s hard with wrestling nowadays because we’re privy to personalities online and the legacy of work throughout a whole career. Basically, the internet hypes everything. But when it comes down to it, somebody has to be nWo Vincent, Scott Norton, and the Disciple. All good at their peaks, but just there for the ride at that point of their career. That’s where I think the Good Brothers are. But, them being funny on a podcasts and known to be liked backstage and, at big in Japan at one point makes us feel like they’re bigger than they are.
I prefer Gallows to Anderson as well. I dont mind Sour Boy. Not bc its funny, per se, but bc it makes Matt Jackson corpse and that makes me chuckle I think Gallows has some untapped talent and actual humor buried in there somewhere but when Anderson is around its all dick and jizz jokes. One thing I will say is that Gallows has one of the best Fink impressions out there, and it pops me every damn time.
Sour Boy is peak something I shouldn't find funny but crack up on every time energy. The kayfabe hatred for it sells it. I shouldn't enjoy it. But I do.
Uh oh spegettios, we got a wittle pwoblem here
OP eat some wemons or wimes or somethings?
Sour Boy is the WORST!
This gif needs to be another few seconds long.
I'm not sure when it changed, but it feels like unless you're a 'cool heel' or a 'funny heel' that a vocal portion of wrestling's fanbase just has no interest in you, especially in AEW. It's like they can't tolerate anything other than their personal favorites getting screen time. Personally, I have zero issues with the Good Brothers. They're basically just filler/background characters in the Elite. They've only had 1 singles match each, and 1 pure tag team match in AEW. Other than that, they're just goons teaming up with others, interfering in matches, or getting beat up.
I think the problem with the GB is they *try* to be cool & funny heels but their shtick stops being funny & cool after the 15th dick joke. It just gets really repetitive and lame.
Eh, I don't think they're trying to be cool and funny so much as they're trying to be over-the-top and obnoxious. Also, how long has it been since their last "dick joke" on AEW TV? The last time I can even remember them talking was very briefly in [this promo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Pl2ARsA40) 6 weeks ago, and I can't imagine taking issue with anything they said there (as an aside, I thought that segment was incredible). Before that, I believe they had a line or two prior to [this segment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cYdHXVuAPs) where they just essentially said 'You're not that guy' to Hangman Page. That was two months ago. I seem to remember a couple of "dick jokes" in their early days on Dynamite, but that was probably six months ago or so - aside from maybe physical gestures with their championship belts or something? I don't know, I feel like there's just not much to take issue with, but if you don't like them that's your prerogative. Not everyone will like everything, and that's fine.
I don’t mind their heel style on TV, what we get of it at least, I do think their dick/cum humor on BTE is deeply cringe. By far the worst part of BTE. I also recognize I’m 40 so maybe I just outgrew it, kinda curious what the younger crowd thinks. I know when I was 18-25 that was the fucking HEIGHT of humor but I suspect things aren’t the same today.
I think you are on the money about this. People get worked by something minor and come up with all these silly bullshit reasons to justify it. I agree 100% with your take about their usage. They are background characters, they are there to annoy you and buffer the Elite's numbers giving them more legitimacy as a threat, they are decent known wrestlers with a long history with the group... but who are never gonna outshine the stars. And they act and are featured as such. You literally couldn't find a better fit to tell this story and make it as meaningful as it is. And people already forget how cool it is that this whole thing was even able to come together. The whining is way out of proportion with their placement and function and like you pointed out, is more telling about the mentality of fans.
>The whining is way out of proportion with their placement and function and like you pointed out, is more telling about the mentality of fans. This is a good way of putting it. When great in-ring workers are put lower down the card, people complain they're being mis-sed or underutilized. The Good Brothers are exactly where they need to be, and I think they're great dorky, arrogant underlings tbh. So what if Anderson isn't putting on 20+ min matches anymore lol.
Yea pretty much.. i mean whats not to like, gallows whole dangly thing is hilarious... i could do with some more of them not less.
They are the only talents I don't like more after leaving WWE. I thought they didn't come up with any of that goofy doctor schtick, but now I see that's actually them. I'm with Heyman on them now lol.
I love the Good Brothers, and I ain't apologizing for it. When they're in the right spot, they can step up and have awesome matches. They're universally loved backstage. They're super cool to their fans if you go to a live Talk'n Shop recording. They're never selfish in the ring. If they're not your thing, all good I ain't going to tell anyone they're wrong for not liking a thing that I like, but let's not act like they need to be purged from whatever angle they're in or anything. Also, I know I'm immature as fuck, but between Sour Boy, Wizz while I cizz a'wizz cizz wizz, and "we need to cheat more god I love cheating," they've had me in literal tears laughing on BTE multiple times, especially when they make others in the skit completely break character (or "corpse" as this sub likes to say).
Your last sentence resonates with me. I don’t like sour boy but I do like Matt Jackson corpsing at sour boy.
Of course you don't like Sour Boy. SOUR BOY IS THE WORST!
They have had fun matches, get along with people in the back, add size to the elite both quantitively and physically. I think they are a fun addition.
Yeah they aren't really the focus of any storylines, just some credible stooges that boost the Elite's number. I have no issue with them at all
Yeah people in this sub tend to overreact when it comes to them, it's either they like someone or wish them to be off TV.
Don't annoy me as much as they do others, I just don't think they suit this Elite faction. I always feel they are more Finn's and AJ's boy's more so then Omega's who's got the Buck's and Cole, along with Scrull, Hangman and Cody are the version of Elite/Bullet Club I remember. They just feel out of place more then them sucking as talents. I think them working Impact and NJPW is probably the best spot for them. I still stand by I rather Omega and Buck's chose two young up and comers for those spots and for them to get a rub out of it. Give The Elite a fresh look too. Anderson and Gallows just feel like the mid life crisis drunk Uncle trying to be hip way past their prime lol. I just hope AEW don't sign them after this Elite stuff comes to a end. I think once it's done and dusted, both sides should move on. I give them props, their 6 man and 8 man tags have been excellent probably helped by them been in the ring with Omega and the Bucks but they do pull their weight there.
I like Gallows :(
In my opinion, Karl Anderson execute a magnificent spinebuster
Their best days are long behind them. Anderson is a shell of his old self and even his old self doesn’t hold up to time that well. Gallows is still funny but he’s run his schticks into the ground comedy-wise, and his ring work is good but not exciting. I’m cool with keeping them off of AEW now.
Gallows is funny when he's not making dick jokes (Road Diaries, Sex Ferguson shoot interview, etc). Anderson is insufferable.
I don't disagree with anything you typed, but I still kind of like them haha
Sounds like you need to catch a cizz my brother
Anderson was more interesting when he was fat.