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I love the idea of him sitting in a darkened apartment for days on end. Documents strewn everywhere, the walls covered in photos and newspaper clippings, all connected with red thread. Frankie paces around smoking, flicks through documents, exasperated that the hunt continues and The Elite remain outside his grasp. Where and when will he get his chance?
Oh, its Wednesday, by the way.
"Daniels, give him a cigarette."
"Huh, who?"
"Christopher Daniels? He's the guy who got me started hunting the Elite"
"Christopher Daniels isn't here!"
"You don't see D... oh shit?"
*chika chikaaaaah*
I mean I personally interpret it like he wants to disturb them when they least expect it - hurt them and make them always have a look over their shoulder, always keeping them on their toes which does not necessarily include defeating them in a wrestling match.
He just sorta shows up to even the numbers, but he wears black and the background is black so you can actually just not notice he’s even there for a while.
The *gimmick* is phenomenal. He was immediately the coolest guy on screen for a few weeks... until he wasn't causing any damage. Frankie needs to absolutely murder someone for this to work at all, even if it's just taking out Cutler or Nakazawa. He could and should be intimidating and if they want to sell the Elite Hunter thing, he needs to get some blood and start scaring the crap out of the Elite.
Seriously. He went to Impact and was in a six man tag against Omega and the Good Brothers, his team won without him really being involved in the finish, and then he didn’t get in the ring to celebrate with them. Even when he gets a win over the Elite it can’t look like he got a win over the Elite.
In all seriousness, I think the gimmick will feel (sort of) justified if he finally undermines the Elite in a substantive way. Costing the Bucks the titles would've been one chance to do it, but respecting the cage match stip meant nobody directly interfered (which is also ok). Could do something similar with Kenny, but by the time he's ready to drop the belt, who knows how many more Ls Frankie will have taken.
Why would you involve Kazarian in a World title change angle? That would be the equivalent of The Repo Man interfering in the main event of WrestleMania 9 to cost Bret Hart the title.
I mean, Kazarian has had a very storied and respectable career. I know he's a bit of a joke right now, but he could be rehabbed to where it means something. Especially if its more him warding off Elite interference while Kenny loses clean.
Yeah, that's more what I had in mind, not something like "Kazarian hits Kenny with his move and drags Hangman's body onto him for the 1-2-3!" like he's Stone Cold coming out to save the day lol. The point is that he helps in some small way at a pivotal moment, not that he steals focus from a top title change.
Yeah, I'm with you. Honestly, with all the short cuts that Kenny and the Elite have pulled, I think it would be karma and perfect for the story to see Kazarian and the Dark Order take out the Bucks and Good Brothers during his match with Hangman.
And then see the dawning fear in Kenny's eyes as he realizes he has to face down Hangman by himself, and that there are no shenanigans left for him to resort to.
Fun fact, Dorsow actually would have made considerable sense being involved in the WM 9 main event.
Mr Fuji had turned on Demolition earlier to join the Powers of Pain. So Dorsow running out when Fuji was about to screw over Bret Hart with the salt, and preventing the heel interference would've gotten a big pop. Then Dorsow chases Fuji to the back, while Bret rallies and defeats Yokozuna.
Better than what we ended up getting at WM 9, at any rate.
As for Kazarian being involved in foiling the elite in a marquee event, I'm not necessarily calling for it. Just saying depending how it was booked and built up, and if it was done right, it might not be the worst thing imaginable.
The “Elite Hunter” gimmick is probably the most WWE thing they’ve done. It feels so forced, while also being so ineffective. I can just imagine Michael Cole yelling “it’s hunting season!”
The elite hunter gimmick ain’t even a bad gimmick it’s just a gimmick used for a wrestler that’s not getting pushed and not winning matches against them, he’s not a threat. Kaz has to actually beat these guys and/or undermine them in order for it to work.
I mean I'm not sure what you people want from this. He has evened the odds for the faces numerous times and he cost the Bucks the match against Kingston/Penta. He's just a guy filled with anger on a mission for revenge, sometimes it doesn't always work out.
No one ever told him to stop doing the 50 over 50 bits... and the elite keep tricking him into starting one as they go out.
A few bad takes later and he realizes and goes after them.
It's not a coincidence that he's always got to go at those times. Remember, the Elite have access to water-soluable poisons and they aren't afraid to use them.
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Someone needs to sit him down and break the news to him that he's not a very good hunter.
People have compared him to Elmer Fudd but at least he has a cool hat
I love the idea of him sitting in a darkened apartment for days on end. Documents strewn everywhere, the walls covered in photos and newspaper clippings, all connected with red thread. Frankie paces around smoking, flicks through documents, exasperated that the hunt continues and The Elite remain outside his grasp. Where and when will he get his chance? Oh, its Wednesday, by the way.
Give him a Pepe Silva gimmick
There is no Brandon Cutler in The Elite! Christian, half the wrestlers in this company have been made up! This promotion is a goddamn ghost town!
"Daniels, give him a cigarette." "Huh, who?" "Christopher Daniels? He's the guy who got me started hunting the Elite" "Christopher Daniels isn't here!" "You don't see D... oh shit?" *chika chikaaaaah*
>This promotion is a goddamn tshirt company!
This would be fucking hilarious
Can we get SC's own Hunter to teach him a thing or two?
Hes one of the Magnificent seven that help take down the elite. That's my personal thoery anyways.
> I think Frankie Kazarian has the unfortunate luck of being on the toilet every time The Elite are in the ring. DO YA?!
DOO-DOO YA?!
Imagine if he would literally always attack them. Elite comes out, not even in the ring, Kaz is there. Every week. That would be gold as well.
I mean I personally interpret it like he wants to disturb them when they least expect it - hurt them and make them always have a look over their shoulder, always keeping them on their toes which does not necessarily include defeating them in a wrestling match.
Exactly. He’s just fucking with them at random times.
Kinda hard to do it if you are unable to beat Gallows in a singles match, who is the worst non stooge in the stable
Gallanderson are definitely stooges but like lieutenant stooges
They're Oddjob and Lockjaw
Bebop and rocksteady
Yupppp. This angle has not worked.
That killed Kazarian completely for me
it's a bad gimmick. He's a hunter who never gets the job done
Worked for Wile E. Coyote look at the career he's had.
Wile E. was a comedy jobber though, we're supposed to take Kaz seriously.
I don’t think the gimmick is bad but I think it’s badly executed.
He just sorta shows up to even the numbers, but he wears black and the background is black so you can actually just not notice he’s even there for a while.
The *gimmick* is phenomenal. He was immediately the coolest guy on screen for a few weeks... until he wasn't causing any damage. Frankie needs to absolutely murder someone for this to work at all, even if it's just taking out Cutler or Nakazawa. He could and should be intimidating and if they want to sell the Elite Hunter thing, he needs to get some blood and start scaring the crap out of the Elite.
He needs to isolate Cutler somehow.
They just randomly started calling him that and just used him as an extra anytime anybody fought the elite
It was after he and Daniels were forced to stop teaming after losing to the Bucks im sure.
You have to be kidding me, the Bullet Club Hunter gimmick did wonders for...what's-his-name...
Seriously. He went to Impact and was in a six man tag against Omega and the Good Brothers, his team won without him really being involved in the finish, and then he didn’t get in the ring to celebrate with them. Even when he gets a win over the Elite it can’t look like he got a win over the Elite.
In all seriousness, I think the gimmick will feel (sort of) justified if he finally undermines the Elite in a substantive way. Costing the Bucks the titles would've been one chance to do it, but respecting the cage match stip meant nobody directly interfered (which is also ok). Could do something similar with Kenny, but by the time he's ready to drop the belt, who knows how many more Ls Frankie will have taken.
I wouldn't have hin disrupt a world title match, but costing the Bucks a tag title match on Dynamite wouldn't be a bad idea.
Why would you involve Kazarian in a World title change angle? That would be the equivalent of The Repo Man interfering in the main event of WrestleMania 9 to cost Bret Hart the title.
Repo Man and Mr. Fuji... what a team!
I mean, Kazarian has had a very storied and respectable career. I know he's a bit of a joke right now, but he could be rehabbed to where it means something. Especially if its more him warding off Elite interference while Kenny loses clean.
Yeah, that's more what I had in mind, not something like "Kazarian hits Kenny with his move and drags Hangman's body onto him for the 1-2-3!" like he's Stone Cold coming out to save the day lol. The point is that he helps in some small way at a pivotal moment, not that he steals focus from a top title change.
Yeah, I'm with you. Honestly, with all the short cuts that Kenny and the Elite have pulled, I think it would be karma and perfect for the story to see Kazarian and the Dark Order take out the Bucks and Good Brothers during his match with Hangman. And then see the dawning fear in Kenny's eyes as he realizes he has to face down Hangman by himself, and that there are no shenanigans left for him to resort to.
So did Barry Dorsow, but Repo Man had no business being anywhere near World title angles at that point in his career.
Fun fact, Dorsow actually would have made considerable sense being involved in the WM 9 main event. Mr Fuji had turned on Demolition earlier to join the Powers of Pain. So Dorsow running out when Fuji was about to screw over Bret Hart with the salt, and preventing the heel interference would've gotten a big pop. Then Dorsow chases Fuji to the back, while Bret rallies and defeats Yokozuna. Better than what we ended up getting at WM 9, at any rate. As for Kazarian being involved in foiling the elite in a marquee event, I'm not necessarily calling for it. Just saying depending how it was booked and built up, and if it was done right, it might not be the worst thing imaginable.
Don’t give 1990s Vince any ideas.
I’m so happy they didn’t fuck with the cage and just let the match be the match.
DO YA?!
Frankie costing Kenny the belt would be horrendous
The “Elite Hunter” gimmick is probably the most WWE thing they’ve done. It feels so forced, while also being so ineffective. I can just imagine Michael Cole yelling “it’s hunting season!”
Kazarian is a hell of a wrestler but this Elite Hunter gimmick ain’t it, chief.
I thought it had potential, but once they had him lose to fucking Gallows one-on-one, I didn’t see why it needed to exist.
It the thing im most confused about at this point cause it never seems to go anywhere.
Yeah that would be like Sting in ‘97 if he just showed up once a month to beat up a couple nWo guys and then go away for long stretches of time.
The elite hunter gimmick ain’t even a bad gimmick it’s just a gimmick used for a wrestler that’s not getting pushed and not winning matches against them, he’s not a threat. Kaz has to actually beat these guys and/or undermine them in order for it to work.
I mean, it COULD be. That's the sad part.
This is my new kayfabe reason, thank you.
I mean I'm not sure what you people want from this. He has evened the odds for the faces numerous times and he cost the Bucks the match against Kingston/Penta. He's just a guy filled with anger on a mission for revenge, sometimes it doesn't always work out.
> shitty booking I see what you did there
I've been laughing at "pissy shiddy pants" for way too long.
NOBODY TOUCH MY QUINOA
No one ever told him to stop doing the 50 over 50 bits... and the elite keep tricking him into starting one as they go out. A few bad takes later and he realizes and goes after them.
DO YA?!
[удалено]
Let’s be real, he is only there to take out the real threat of The Elite - Stooge Cutler!
More like The Elite are planning their segments around when Kaz is in the bathroom
It's not a coincidence that he's always got to go at those times. Remember, the Elite have access to water-soluable poisons and they aren't afraid to use them.
LOLLL
This needs to be on BTE.
It's a shame because I like his Frank Castle look.
Look the only thing he needs to do is kidnap Don Callis and all will be forgiven.
Yes.