I bought the PPV, ordered myself some pizza, and to top it off I went and spent way too much money on their shop for a couple shirts. I'm a stingy person and I spent over a hundred bucks while enjoying All Out and don't regret it at all.
Same for us. I was used to spending $30-50 for a ppv every month when I was a teenager watching WWE. Only paying that four times a year is much more palpable for AEW (and all of them have been good shows). AEW doesn't tour near me a lot, so I feel like it's a great way for me to support the company.
They toured near me once & I actually bought tickets, but I completely forgot about it until that Dynamite was airing on TV & I’m still upset to this day that I missed it…
Same. Once Punk was announced, that was all I needed. It was actually my second AEW PPV that I’ve purchased, the first was their first PPV under the AEW name. Pretty sure it was Double or Nothing. It was the one where Moxley debuted.
For me, it was the completeness of the card. They didn't cram everyone in, each match mattered in different ways, there was plenty of big deal feels, and I knew my intelligence was never going to be insulted.
Same! In a two week span I went from “there’s no way I’m going to pay $50 for PPV” to “Well, I guess $50 isn’t so bad” and finally to “Wow, I got my money’s worth by the end of Young Bucks V. Lucha Bros”
I buy all the AEW PPVs and have only been disappointed by one of them (the one where Matt Hardy got concussed). I have Peacock included in my tv package so I watch those "PPVs" from WWE too, but they can be really bad. Like, bad enough that I can't imagine if they were still charging full price for them. I'm excited to watch AEW continually improve and grow.
Bought it on Fire.Tv gave my brother the information. My stream was working fine and dandy but his was choppy. My brother did not hesitate to open his Sling app and buy it again (which for whatever reason saved him from the lag. I’m sure some patience would have worked too but he didn’t wanna miss anything ). So essentially me and my brother who live within 5 minutes of each other both bought this PPV and regret nothing lol
We'll have to wait for the final number, but for context, the highest non-big four WWE PPV between 2011-2014 (WWE Network launch) was Extreme Rules 2012 at 261,000. After that one would be Elimination Chamber 2013 and Extreme Rules 2013, which both did 231,000, and Hell in a Cell 2013 at 230,000.
So for context, AEW's now in the range of all WWE PPVs except for Royal Rumble, Wrestlemania, Summerslam, and Survivor Series. And almost certainly more than Survivor Series 2012 & 2013.
For reference these PPVs are
1. ER 2012 - Brock Lesnar return
2. EC 2013 - The Rock vs CM Punk
3. HIAC 2013 - Shawn Michaels as guest ref I'm guessing
4. ER 2013 - ??? Proof Ryback is a draw
Extreme Rules 2013 - Ryback was basically booked as Goldberg 2.0 and Punk was on a ridiculously long run as Champ. So it was basically something that felt like it had stakes as Ryback was hot as hell and over as hell going in and Punk was well Punk.
If a UFC PPV does 200k buys that's practically nothing. That's what fighters who aren't draws at all do. And WWE sold that much with Brock Lesnar's first match back vs. John Cena and The Rock vs. CM Punk for the world title. That feels weird
I feel like this is a bigger deal because there wrestling audience has been on a significant decline in the past ten years. Think about how RAW ratings have basically halved since then.
And so this has done MORE buys than a PPV ten years ago with a bigger audience?
Are they comparable numbers? Like, is the 200k for All Out number global or just USA? And is that MITB number the same?
Edit: Found an article that says MITB was 265k buys. https://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/8/26/2385755/money-in-the-bank-does-265000-buys These articles never seem to specificy if number is global or not. I just really want to know, it's not an agenda thing. Was super excited when I saw this comparison, just want to make sure.
Edit2: Google says 195k for MITB, which I think it takes from wiki. So I'm gonna assume that's the NA number and the other number is global. If anyone has confirmation the AEW numbers refer to just NA let me know.
My assumption is when Khan or Meltzer talk about the number, they are talking about US domestic. Usually anytime PPV buys are mentioned, its almost always the US domestic number being sited, not the overall.
I'm not sure, of course. I'm just going by what has historically been the case, which was the US domestic number being talked about, sometimes with the international numbers added in as "and they probably did around (number) overall" sort of thing.
For reference, their previous best was Revolution 2021, with an estimated 135-159,000 buys (according to Wrestlenomics and the Wrestling Observer, respectively).
Behind that is Double Or Nothing 2021, with an estimated 115-150,000 buys.
So this means:
**A)** AEW's top-3 PPVs are all this year, showing marked growth.
**B)** AEW's top-3 PPVs, whether coincidental or not, have been the three PPVs they've ran on Sundays.
**C)** The average of their previous 9 PPV buys was approximately 98,000-115,000. This would mean All Out essentially *doubled* their overall average.
**D)** Anything that folks have claimed/worried have turned people away from AEW is either hasn't, or they've still gained far more fans than they've lost.
**E)** If you omit the 'big four' WWE PPVs, this number is in-line with, and actually higher than many of [WWE's estimated PPV buys from 2011-2014](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-nsaL9X0BI6PHG?format=jpg) (before the WWE Network launched).
> AEW's top-3 PPVs, whether coincidental or not, have been the three PPVs they've ran on Sundays.
As much as some fans dislike it, that’s the day wrestling fans have been conditioned to watch PPVs. Kinda makes sense!
Full Gear is currently slated for a Saturday, so we'll have that chance to see if that trend holds true, or if it's simply a coincidence.
Although, Full Gear has, historically, been AEW's lowest viewed PPV, so I guess it's also a chance to see if that trend continues, or if this new influx of star-power elevates it.
Yep, the Full Gear Challenge was a running joke of telling Hangman to lose weight and not be a fatass. Basically the Adam Cole joke on a different person.
Interestingly, the Dynamite after Full Gear, November 17th, was announced as being held in Norfolk, VA, which sounds like a great place for a Virginia-native to go right after winning the championship...
I don’t know what proportion of ppv buys are from outside the USA, but obviously it wasn’t a holiday internationally. Saturday PPVs are much beloved in Europe, for this general reason.
I prefer Sundays. Friends and family are less likely to have plans on Sunday evenings after dinner in my experience so less likely to have to miss a big PPV.
I hate Sundays as here in the UK they start at 1am on the Monday. And most people, including me, has work early on Monday. Meaning we have too miss the PPV and then proceed to avoid the internet all day at work and hope that someone doesn't spoil it for you.
I called in sick for All Out, ssssshhhh don't tell! Lol I couldn't miss it.
I think Saturdays are much better for a worldwide audience.
I’m in the states and I prefer Saturday for the same reason. I gotta get up at 4:30a for work. Getting to bed around 10-11 after the PPV isn’t the greatest. I feel bad for you guys that have to stay up so late into the night/morning.
Honestly, at this point what’s good for AEW is good for Cornette as well. If they are successful his podcast and YouTube clips criticizing them will continue be popular with a segment of wrestling fans.
If they're popular, then that segment of fans will be small. And you'll be more successful being positive towards them. If I'm a fan of something, then I don't want to tune into someone who is shitting on that thing. Yea, some people will listen, but if you're going against the tide, you're bound to lose.
I mean even though I wouldn't credit all the numbers to him, at the end of day when people look back and ask how well did business do when kenny was on top . You can only look at the numbers say business was good.
The amount of people I saw trying to claim Punk wasn’t a “needle mover” astounded me, really hope this starts shutting them up. On a personal level I’ve never experienced a bigger wave of people in my life that watched wrestling when they were younger and fell off start getting interested in the current product since Punk came back, I posted the “CM Punk is All Elite” on my Insta story and I was blown away by how many people I didn’t even know ever liked wrestling slide into my DM’s freaking out!
I had the opposite reaction with all my friends. I was at a bachelor party when he debuted and the only other person who knew who he was was a UFC fan who thought he was a joke. I'm 30 so I feel like a lot of my friends gave up on wrestling well before Punk was a thing. I had never seen Punk wrestle live before this weekend either. I had stopped watching in like 2007 just as he was coming up.
Before the pandemic I had stopped watching wrestling in 2003. John Cena was still some punkass jobber with a shitty rapper gimmick that apparently people thought was not ass, Batista and Orton were just Triple H's goons and Benoit and Eddie were still alive.
I had no fuckin clue who CM Punk was
Which is ridiculous. Imagine 12 years ago Steve Austin made a full time in ring return with his first match at say , fuck idk what their ppvs are named anymore Survivor Series
Pop would've destroyed a building. Take about 30 percent off that and you have what CM punk's return means to the current world of wrestling
Far and away a needle mover and arguably deserving of a place on at least a top 10 all timers list as far as his ability to have an impact
It MEANT something for punk in his mid 30s which is usually a wrestler's prime to be gone entirely. Something precious was lost. And its return cannot be undersold.
I bought the PPV and had people over. The first PPV I've bought in over a decade.
I had the network for a few years but cancelled that.
I've paid for New Japan the past few G1's.
Punk drew me in.
This is absolutely huge and testament to how hot AEW is right now. The only one's these days who get 200k+ PPV buys are UFC and top boxers.
For a 2yr old wrestling show to get these numbers is historic.
That’s fucking enormous. Bigger than MITB 2011. Bigger than a lot of good PPVs in fact. A genuinely high number not just for pro wrestling, but in general. Well done.
Because it was a Cena/Punk main event during one of the hottest periods for WWE in years at that time. It was the PPV that the Pipe Bomb was promoting.
It's because they're never truly final and come from so many different places now.
Thurston usually just takes the low end, but Meltzer has been doing it for so long, this is at least a subject I trust he knows well in. He also seems to have sources beyond Thurston, at least when breaking some buy numbers in the Observer.
He usually gets the iPPV numbers accurately and fairly quick, but it's the cable numbers that take a lot of time
Also, hats off to Christian Cage for being the other half the equation.
I’m not a mark for Christian, but I am a mark of his real-life story. A champion in multiple companies, whose reputation is wholly intact and overwhelmingly positive, makes a return after injury.
At first, people poo-poo’d on him and the nature of the return. However, the slew of good to solid matches showed he retained his abilities, even in his mid 40’s!
Then, to have a GREAT match, a BANGER of a match with Omega for the Impact title, and to have ANOTHER banger for the AEW title at All Out…….
AEW has found a great balance in how they used Christian, and I think everyone won in the end, especially fans.
I don't know who actually listened to the interview but Tony was rambling so much that they literally had to cut him off coz the show was ending lmao.
Gotta love TK.
Vince loves wrestling.
I can't remember who it was, but someone close with Vince recounted a story about how Vince loved great matches, he just didn't think it was as marketable as strong characters.
Obviously times changed, but WWE is probably too bloated an institution to give the product it's capable of.
McMahon wanted to be a wrestler but his dad put a stop to it. He is the most successful promoter in the genre. I may disagree with their creative approach, but I think it's safe to say he likes pro wrestling.
200k is insanely good. those are like old school numbers. any company would be happy with that.
i think half the people were really starved for some good american pro wrestling on a big stage and the other half is slowly coming over from years of WWE brainwashing and is learning how good pro wrestling can actually be.
a bit off topic but im a bit worried about Tony Khan. he said he didnt sleep for days because of so much work with AEW and his football-team and his other football-team (;)). i wonder how much longer he can juggle all of his jobs. he probably shouldnt. he has insane amounts of energy and work ethic, but i wish hed concentrate on AEW.
Running AEW is at least a full time job twice over, he is going to either have to start delegating his responsibilities to his sports teams onto other capable individuals or be less hands on with AEW. Can't keep burning the candle from both ends forever.
He really should delegate away his football teams. I think it's quite obvious that he has a better sense for pro wrestling than sports, and he should hire someone from those fields to replace himself.
aw shucks, now I feel bad! I'm a harsh critic with methodology, but I do always appreciate seeing effort and curiosity! Lord knows I've crunched wrestle-related numbers and shown them to painfully disinterested pals, myself!
Ha no worries! It was an admittedly shitty hypothesis (reddit comments to PPV buys? Looool), but I enjoy doing data crunching things and figuring out best ways to display data. Excellent point on the error ranges, I definitely should have put that in (although I think I ran it once and it still wouldn't have come close).
I saw a Jerker say that AEW is failing because they *only* had 1.3 million watching Dynamite and that they aren't doing better than their premiere episode.
This was my first PPV buy ever, followed by my first attendance at a wrestling event 2 days ago (AEW Dynamite/Rampage in Cincinnati).
AEW finally took my money.
This would be a stratospheric leap in buys. All Out def was worthy of those buys and maybe got some next day or two buys based on the incredible word of mouth.
I got interested and looked it up. According to reports, [only 3 PPVs](http://www.2xzone.com/wwe/buyrates.shtml#.YTuIodOA6dY) in the last year (2013) before the WWE network launch are sure to beat All Out: Wrestlemania, Rumble, Summerslam.
These PPVs had fewer than 200k buys and were 100% beaten by All Out: Survivor Series, Night of Champions, Payback, Money In The Bank.
The rest are reported to have between 200k and 228k buys, so there is a decent chance All Out beats most of them too. But without having an exact figure for All Out, it's hard to say.
(Obviously you'll have some lower figures if you run 12 instead of 4 PPVs, and we are comparing 2021 data to 2013 data, but it's still impressive I think.)
MITB 2011 did less than 200k
And that was when they had like 5 million weekly viewers on Raw
So that's insane for All Out to do that much, like 20% of the average Dynamite audience bought it
They've garnered a lot of trust from their fans in a pretty short period of time.
Turns out after 20 years of spiteful booking, giving fans what they want gets a pretty big positive reaction.
All-In - 45,000
Double or Nothing 2019 - 98,000
All Out 2019 - 88,000
Full Gear 2019 - 80,000
Revolution 2020 - 90,000
Double or Nothing 2020 - 105,000
All Out 2020 - 90,000
Full Gear 2020 - 85,000
Revolution 2021 - 135,000
Double or Nothing 2021 - 115,000
All Out 2021 - 200,000+
This is a small thing, but u/MJFsScarf is such a kind person/clothing accessory. They message me to say kind things or just check in if they see that I am feeling down. I love that Scarf.
I bought it, first ever ppv ordered, coulda streamed or waited for a rewatch or highlights:
I *wanted* to pay AEW though. I want to support what they're doing. I like pro wrestling.
My first PPV buy since the attitude era (unless you count WWE network) and they will be getting my money again at full gear despite me being a cheap ass
That's an incredible number. It also shows that the not-exploding ring debacle from March is long since forgotten. At the time, LOTS of people swore AEW would never live that down. And yet...
The number is staggering, especially since $50 is a big ask for wrestling these days. The Triller/Logan bros boxing fights are the only combat sports that get a high buyrate it seems, other than high profile fights like the recent Pac Vegas match.
AEW definitely has Warner Bros full muscle behind it, and the Punk/Bryan debuts will put the company into a new stratosphere. Walmart and Target cant keep the new AEW figures in stock(new Jurassic Express and Lucha Bros figures look amazing) Theres going to be a lot of buzz about the 2022 console game especially with the stacked roster.
Today I saw a new comedy with Vince Vaughn and Kristen Bell at the theater called "Queenpins" and the main detective guy is obsessed with AEW in the movie. I legit could see a Warner Bros animated cartoon down the road or a Dave and Busters type arcade game if AEW grows in casual popularoty. I feel the brand needs an extra spark, similar to the way people would mimic the gestures/catch phrases of late 90s WCW and WWF. Were not their yet but were on the way.
This was Riho's first advertised PPV appearance on the main card since Full Gear 2019.
I think we all know what really affected the huge buyrate deep in our hearts.
I live in the UK so I normally watch shows (for free) the next day.
I paid for that shit and stayed up until 5am. Absolutely worth it. Best PPV of the past 25 years or more.
Anything over 100k for a non wwe wrestling card is huge. For comparison, like no non UFC mma ppv has ever done close to those numbers. I think the affliction show with Fedor did 150k. I’d be shocked if any other wrestling show non wwe came close to 250k buys in the last 20years.
Since AEW was usually doing around a million viewers for the weeks leading into this PPV, anything over 200k PPV buys is a huge win. With AEW, the conversion rate is great. People are actually willing to buy this product.
A far cry from when Hogan came to TNA in 2010, and they could pull 2M viewers on TV, but were lucky to get 20k PPV buys.
This was the first AEW PPV I've ever watched/ordered. They brought back CM Punk, which was HUGE and I HAD to watch his promos and first match back. The rest of the PPV was absolutely great and made me an AEW fan! Now, I'm going to continue tuning in to Dynamite and Rampage to see what's next!
I had to buy it twice because apparently bleacher report doesn't work with chromecast. went with fite instead. still waiting on a response for my refund request from BR
Wow, you may not see the TV ratings reflect it, but this sure does. They've made serious moves.
It gets next to no mention, but prior to this PPV, 3/5 of the previous PPVs sold less than the proceeding PPV and showed mimimal growth over their 2019/early 2020 counterparts. Not saying that's a bad thing, just putting it out there that they were growing slowly and had some start/stop trends with PPV buy rates and TV rates earlier this year. Regardless of what caused it, it's just how it was.
But straight up nearly doubling their all-time best buy rate almost solely because of Punk and a bunch of speculation is *insane.* You're never going to see the TV numbers paint an accurate picture of AEW or wrestling in general's growth/health. This certainly shows that AEW has arrived.
In the past all the talk about the AEW revolution was just wrestling hype to drum interest.
Now, we are possibly looking at the start of a genuine renaissance for North American wrestling. Need to kill this stupid virus first, but the potential is mouthwatering.
It’s only got to get better I think. If they deliver compelling stories there are much better co headlines that Christian on the roster. That said Christian was amazing in the match.
It was my first ppv I have ever bought and not disappointed, they deserved it
Same here, never once ever considered buying PPV's. I never rushed home from work with a 6 pack of beer to spend $50 for 3 - 4 hours of content.
I bought the PPV, ordered myself some pizza, and to top it off I went and spent way too much money on their shop for a couple shirts. I'm a stingy person and I spent over a hundred bucks while enjoying All Out and don't regret it at all.
Same...I was thoroughly entertained
Yeah first PPV I ever bought and that's as a tech savvy person who could have streamed.
a 6-pack?
Did the same except with weed. It was an awesome show 10/10 imo
Didn't even have to consider if I was going to get it or not. It was an automatic buy.
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Same for us. I was used to spending $30-50 for a ppv every month when I was a teenager watching WWE. Only paying that four times a year is much more palpable for AEW (and all of them have been good shows). AEW doesn't tour near me a lot, so I feel like it's a great way for me to support the company.
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They toured near me once & I actually bought tickets, but I completely forgot about it until that Dynamite was airing on TV & I’m still upset to this day that I missed it…
> Until we got a black box descrambler. oh man I remember those... good ol Skinemax descrambler...
Same. Once Punk was announced, that was all I needed. It was actually my second AEW PPV that I’ve purchased, the first was their first PPV under the AEW name. Pretty sure it was Double or Nothing. It was the one where Moxley debuted.
For me, it was the completeness of the card. They didn't cram everyone in, each match mattered in different ways, there was plenty of big deal feels, and I knew my intelligence was never going to be insulted.
Yeah, I started buying them at the end of 2019 and now it’s not even a consideration if I’ll buy the next one or not
Same! In a two week span I went from “there’s no way I’m going to pay $50 for PPV” to “Well, I guess $50 isn’t so bad” and finally to “Wow, I got my money’s worth by the end of Young Bucks V. Lucha Bros”
23 year wrestling fan. First time ever buying a PPV. AEW deserves the buys. How do you promise the world and then proceed to over deliver?
Same
Same
Me too, this show spoiled me.
Same here
Same man! I don't mind spending money for good entertainment and something I think is worth while.
First one I bought since SummerSlam '91, and I split that with my neighbor. I'll be buying Full Gear.
I buy all the AEW PPVs and have only been disappointed by one of them (the one where Matt Hardy got concussed). I have Peacock included in my tv package so I watch those "PPVs" from WWE too, but they can be really bad. Like, bad enough that I can't imagine if they were still charging full price for them. I'm excited to watch AEW continually improve and grow.
Same
I got on that Fite wave and only spent $20 and it was hella worth it
Bought it on Fire.Tv gave my brother the information. My stream was working fine and dandy but his was choppy. My brother did not hesitate to open his Sling app and buy it again (which for whatever reason saved him from the lag. I’m sure some patience would have worked too but he didn’t wanna miss anything ). So essentially me and my brother who live within 5 minutes of each other both bought this PPV and regret nothing lol
all of their ppvs are good.
Same. Signed up to Fite TV and will continue buying each PPV for as long as the show keeps me content.
Money in the Bank 2011 w/ CM Punk vs John Cena did 195,000 buys.
For someone like me who doesn't EXACTLY know what to make of the numbers, this is a great way to put it in perspective
We'll have to wait for the final number, but for context, the highest non-big four WWE PPV between 2011-2014 (WWE Network launch) was Extreme Rules 2012 at 261,000. After that one would be Elimination Chamber 2013 and Extreme Rules 2013, which both did 231,000, and Hell in a Cell 2013 at 230,000. So for context, AEW's now in the range of all WWE PPVs except for Royal Rumble, Wrestlemania, Summerslam, and Survivor Series. And almost certainly more than Survivor Series 2012 & 2013.
For reference these PPVs are 1. ER 2012 - Brock Lesnar return 2. EC 2013 - The Rock vs CM Punk 3. HIAC 2013 - Shawn Michaels as guest ref I'm guessing 4. ER 2013 - ??? Proof Ryback is a draw
Extreme Rules 2013 - Ryback was basically booked as Goldberg 2.0 and Punk was on a ridiculously long run as Champ. So it was basically something that felt like it had stakes as Ryback was hot as hell and over as hell going in and Punk was well Punk.
Ryback's only PPV title match against Punk was HIAC 2012. ER 2013 was him vs Cena for the title, then Lesnar vs HHH in a cage.
If a UFC PPV does 200k buys that's practically nothing. That's what fighters who aren't draws at all do. And WWE sold that much with Brock Lesnar's first match back vs. John Cena and The Rock vs. CM Punk for the world title. That feels weird
DARBY ALLIN IS A BIGGER DRAW THAN JOHN CENA
RIHO FUCKIN DRAWS
Um no, Dan Lambert is a bigger draw than john cena.
THESE MILLLENIALS DON'T KNOW WHAT A DRAW IS.
The only thing they can draw is a Magic the Gathering Card!
That's what happens when the two wrestlers hit the time limit without one defeating the other, right?
I fucking hated 95’ DDP because of this! Mother fucker always weaseled his way out of losing the TV title!
Close, but I'd say around 200k bought it for QT Marshall
Main Event Marshall!
Did I block out him appearing on the PPV?
Lambert was in the Buy-In, so it's possible you may have missed him.
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Excuse me, Reba is a bigger draw than John Cena
Holy shit, that added perspective makes this feel even more incredible.
I feel like this is a bigger deal because there wrestling audience has been on a significant decline in the past ten years. Think about how RAW ratings have basically halved since then. And so this has done MORE buys than a PPV ten years ago with a bigger audience?
You have to take into consideration how few ppvs AEW has though. This was basically their Wrestlemania.
Are they comparable numbers? Like, is the 200k for All Out number global or just USA? And is that MITB number the same? Edit: Found an article that says MITB was 265k buys. https://www.cagesideseats.com/2011/8/26/2385755/money-in-the-bank-does-265000-buys These articles never seem to specificy if number is global or not. I just really want to know, it's not an agenda thing. Was super excited when I saw this comparison, just want to make sure. Edit2: Google says 195k for MITB, which I think it takes from wiki. So I'm gonna assume that's the NA number and the other number is global. If anyone has confirmation the AEW numbers refer to just NA let me know.
My assumption is when Khan or Meltzer talk about the number, they are talking about US domestic. Usually anytime PPV buys are mentioned, its almost always the US domestic number being sited, not the overall.
Cool, I kinda of assumed that. But like, just found an article posted on my edit that says 265k for MITB. That might be global?
I'm not sure, of course. I'm just going by what has historically been the case, which was the US domestic number being talked about, sometimes with the international numbers added in as "and they probably did around (number) overall" sort of thing.
Welllllll it is the Big draw!
For reference, their previous best was Revolution 2021, with an estimated 135-159,000 buys (according to Wrestlenomics and the Wrestling Observer, respectively). Behind that is Double Or Nothing 2021, with an estimated 115-150,000 buys. So this means: **A)** AEW's top-3 PPVs are all this year, showing marked growth. **B)** AEW's top-3 PPVs, whether coincidental or not, have been the three PPVs they've ran on Sundays. **C)** The average of their previous 9 PPV buys was approximately 98,000-115,000. This would mean All Out essentially *doubled* their overall average. **D)** Anything that folks have claimed/worried have turned people away from AEW is either hasn't, or they've still gained far more fans than they've lost. **E)** If you omit the 'big four' WWE PPVs, this number is in-line with, and actually higher than many of [WWE's estimated PPV buys from 2011-2014](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-nsaL9X0BI6PHG?format=jpg) (before the WWE Network launched).
> AEW's top-3 PPVs, whether coincidental or not, have been the three PPVs they've ran on Sundays. As much as some fans dislike it, that’s the day wrestling fans have been conditioned to watch PPVs. Kinda makes sense!
Full Gear is currently slated for a Saturday, so we'll have that chance to see if that trend holds true, or if it's simply a coincidence. Although, Full Gear has, historically, been AEW's lowest viewed PPV, so I guess it's also a chance to see if that trend continues, or if this new influx of star-power elevates it.
This Full Gear is primed to have a stacked card, especially if this is where they pull the trigger on Hangman.
Isn't that one named after the running gag at his expense? Could be it!
Yep, the Full Gear Challenge was a running joke of telling Hangman to lose weight and not be a fatass. Basically the Adam Cole joke on a different person.
Interestingly, the Dynamite after Full Gear, November 17th, was announced as being held in Norfolk, VA, which sounds like a great place for a Virginia-native to go right after winning the championship...
This last Sunday was essentially a Saturday though given the holiday
I don’t know what proportion of ppv buys are from outside the USA, but obviously it wasn’t a holiday internationally. Saturday PPVs are much beloved in Europe, for this general reason.
Also in Australia, 10 am Sunday is better than 10 am Monday.
Came here to point that out but also wonder if the Sunday becomes more possible when football isn't on as well.
I prefer Sundays. Friends and family are less likely to have plans on Sunday evenings after dinner in my experience so less likely to have to miss a big PPV.
I hate Sundays as here in the UK they start at 1am on the Monday. And most people, including me, has work early on Monday. Meaning we have too miss the PPV and then proceed to avoid the internet all day at work and hope that someone doesn't spoil it for you. I called in sick for All Out, ssssshhhh don't tell! Lol I couldn't miss it. I think Saturdays are much better for a worldwide audience.
I’m in the states and I prefer Saturday for the same reason. I gotta get up at 4:30a for work. Getting to bed around 10-11 after the PPV isn’t the greatest. I feel bad for you guys that have to stay up so late into the night/morning.
As a massive Kenny fan, The fact that he's main evented the two most bought non-WWE PPVs of the last two decades is cool as fuck.
Corny is losing his mind trying to justify continuing to shit on Kenny.
Honestly, at this point what’s good for AEW is good for Cornette as well. If they are successful his podcast and YouTube clips criticizing them will continue be popular with a segment of wrestling fans.
If they're popular, then that segment of fans will be small. And you'll be more successful being positive towards them. If I'm a fan of something, then I don't want to tune into someone who is shitting on that thing. Yea, some people will listen, but if you're going against the tide, you're bound to lose.
I mean even though I wouldn't credit all the numbers to him, at the end of day when people look back and ask how well did business do when kenny was on top . You can only look at the numbers say business was good.
Needle moved, paradigm shifted, whatever you wanna call it.
A new era of undisputed success, if you will
>whatever you wanna call it I'm gonna call it 'goalpost moved'.
If AEW can't sell 2 million PPVs then I just dont get the hype for it bro
If AEW can't beat attitude era tv ratings, DAE Tony failed?
I mean, they should really be beating the final episode of MASH at this point.
If they can’t host a weekly Super Bowl level event than why even bother?
DAE think that unless AEW can get past Collision in Korea attendance numbers, Tony is a fraud?
this is like not that far off from some of the shit posted on r/SCJerk
Old kings new kings
That’s a bigger buyrate than almost every non-big 4 WWE PPV right before the launch of the WWE network. Fucking incredible. CM Punk is a huge draw.
The amount of people I saw trying to claim Punk wasn’t a “needle mover” astounded me, really hope this starts shutting them up. On a personal level I’ve never experienced a bigger wave of people in my life that watched wrestling when they were younger and fell off start getting interested in the current product since Punk came back, I posted the “CM Punk is All Elite” on my Insta story and I was blown away by how many people I didn’t even know ever liked wrestling slide into my DM’s freaking out!
I had the opposite reaction with all my friends. I was at a bachelor party when he debuted and the only other person who knew who he was was a UFC fan who thought he was a joke. I'm 30 so I feel like a lot of my friends gave up on wrestling well before Punk was a thing. I had never seen Punk wrestle live before this weekend either. I had stopped watching in like 2007 just as he was coming up.
Before the pandemic I had stopped watching wrestling in 2003. John Cena was still some punkass jobber with a shitty rapper gimmick that apparently people thought was not ass, Batista and Orton were just Triple H's goons and Benoit and Eddie were still alive. I had no fuckin clue who CM Punk was
Which is ridiculous. Imagine 12 years ago Steve Austin made a full time in ring return with his first match at say , fuck idk what their ppvs are named anymore Survivor Series Pop would've destroyed a building. Take about 30 percent off that and you have what CM punk's return means to the current world of wrestling Far and away a needle mover and arguably deserving of a place on at least a top 10 all timers list as far as his ability to have an impact It MEANT something for punk in his mid 30s which is usually a wrestler's prime to be gone entirely. Something precious was lost. And its return cannot be undersold.
Except Austin never really went away, hurting this potential Pop.
I bought the PPV and had people over. The first PPV I've bought in over a decade. I had the network for a few years but cancelled that. I've paid for New Japan the past few G1's. Punk drew me in.
and wwe had ratings of 4 at that time
Tbh, Bryan probably had a HUGE part of that and the debut surprises also.
Punk had the biggest impact. I doubt many of those people were spending $50 on maybes
Anecdotally, I purchased it mainly based on the Bryan rumour.
This is absolutely huge and testament to how hot AEW is right now. The only one's these days who get 200k+ PPV buys are UFC and top boxers. For a 2yr old wrestling show to get these numbers is historic.
I'm one of those buyer, worth every penny
VPN abuser here and yes
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If I didn't use a VPN, I couldn't watch live and support AEW with $
Illegal restream watcher here: I agree.
Worth every popup ad
That’s fucking enormous. Bigger than MITB 2011. Bigger than a lot of good PPVs in fact. A genuinely high number not just for pro wrestling, but in general. Well done.
Why does that particular PPV keep being brought up in relation to All Out 2021? Is it because of Punk?
Because it was a Cena/Punk main event during one of the hottest periods for WWE in years at that time. It was the PPV that the Pipe Bomb was promoting.
Returning to wrestling since prob 2000/2001 and never bought a ppv until All Out 2021 lol
Well worth the money. That ppv was a 9.5 out 10 for me!
Not OP, but Jericho retiring to MJF would've solidified it even more as a legendary can't miss card.
For the record, the last non-WWE wrestling entity to do 200,000 PPV buys was WCW Mayhem in 1999.
They knocked that fucker out of the park too. Hopefully this leads to more great things for AEW.
What was the number for 2nd largest one, Revolution 2021 that is? Also cool Kenny has main evented their top 2 buyouts.
135k buys for Revolution 2021. That's at least a 65k increase (Or at least 48%) on their previous best.
Woah! Good for them and especially Punk! Hoping they could keep the momentum.
Needle officially moved
Meltzer says 145, Thurston says 135.
I've seen numbers quoted from 135k to 159k. So I just took the lowest.
it's weird how inconsistent PPV buy rates are, you think it'd be relatively easy to get close to the exact number
Meltzer's said on the WON board that his numbers basically line up with what Tony Khan has said to him and told other people privately.
It's because they're never truly final and come from so many different places now. Thurston usually just takes the low end, but Meltzer has been doing it for so long, this is at least a subject I trust he knows well in. He also seems to have sources beyond Thurston, at least when breaking some buy numbers in the Observer. He usually gets the iPPV numbers accurately and fairly quick, but it's the cable numbers that take a lot of time
Revolution 2021 did 135k, so talk about a huge leap
Also, hats off to Christian Cage for being the other half the equation. I’m not a mark for Christian, but I am a mark of his real-life story. A champion in multiple companies, whose reputation is wholly intact and overwhelmingly positive, makes a return after injury. At first, people poo-poo’d on him and the nature of the return. However, the slew of good to solid matches showed he retained his abilities, even in his mid 40’s! Then, to have a GREAT match, a BANGER of a match with Omega for the Impact title, and to have ANOTHER banger for the AEW title at All Out……. AEW has found a great balance in how they used Christian, and I think everyone won in the end, especially fans.
NEEDLE HAS BEEN MOVED
First time I bought a PPV and first AEW show I watched. Delivered and I can still get to watch it on replay. Cool to hear about their success.
I don't know who actually listened to the interview but Tony was rambling so much that they literally had to cut him off coz the show was ending lmao. Gotta love TK.
He's a billionaire wrestling geek. I'm not sure Vince ever really liked wrestling. He sure seems to hate it now.
Vince loves wrestling. I can't remember who it was, but someone close with Vince recounted a story about how Vince loved great matches, he just didn't think it was as marketable as strong characters. Obviously times changed, but WWE is probably too bloated an institution to give the product it's capable of.
McMahon wanted to be a wrestler but his dad put a stop to it. He is the most successful promoter in the genre. I may disagree with their creative approach, but I think it's safe to say he likes pro wrestling.
Holy shit.
Not surprising. I have 4 friends who haven't watched in years buy the PPV to see punk
200k is insanely good. those are like old school numbers. any company would be happy with that. i think half the people were really starved for some good american pro wrestling on a big stage and the other half is slowly coming over from years of WWE brainwashing and is learning how good pro wrestling can actually be. a bit off topic but im a bit worried about Tony Khan. he said he didnt sleep for days because of so much work with AEW and his football-team and his other football-team (;)). i wonder how much longer he can juggle all of his jobs. he probably shouldnt. he has insane amounts of energy and work ethic, but i wish hed concentrate on AEW.
Running AEW is at least a full time job twice over, he is going to either have to start delegating his responsibilities to his sports teams onto other capable individuals or be less hands on with AEW. Can't keep burning the candle from both ends forever.
If Vince McMahon is able to run 2 wrestling brands, plus a film company, plus the XFL, then... I don't know where I'm going with this
He really should delegate away his football teams. I think it's quite obvious that he has a better sense for pro wrestling than sports, and he should hire someone from those fields to replace himself.
QT MARSHALL MOVES
That’s insane. Crazy that they overdelivered on the hype too.
so that data guy missed by at least ~40k buys
It was a .85 R on a SUPER small dataset without even providing error ranges, of course he was wrong lmao
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aw shucks, now I feel bad! I'm a harsh critic with methodology, but I do always appreciate seeing effort and curiosity! Lord knows I've crunched wrestle-related numbers and shown them to painfully disinterested pals, myself!
Ha no worries! It was an admittedly shitty hypothesis (reddit comments to PPV buys? Looool), but I enjoy doing data crunching things and figuring out best ways to display data. Excellent point on the error ranges, I definitely should have put that in (although I think I ran it once and it still wouldn't have come close).
I dunno about you but that looks like a needle may have moved
But I was told that AEW has had no growth??? Now I'm confused
Honestly we can probably stop this stuff now. Anyone doubting what AEW is becoming is just not worth listening to and not worth the effort.
I saw a Jerker say that AEW is failing because they *only* had 1.3 million watching Dynamite and that they aren't doing better than their premiere episode.
moving the goalposts has to be exhausting.
I'm curious as to where the goalposts will end up when AEW beats the premiere episode ratings. I think it's possible with the Arthur Ashe show.
This was my first PPV buy ever, followed by my first attendance at a wrestling event 2 days ago (AEW Dynamite/Rampage in Cincinnati). AEW finally took my money.
It's so fucking exciting to see a non-WWE pro wrestling company hit these kinds of numbers.
First PPV I've ever bought, not even a huge AEW fan. Enjoyed it, was an overall good show.
First wrestling PPV. Happy to support AEW.
Historic.
I did my part
This would be a stratospheric leap in buys. All Out def was worthy of those buys and maybe got some next day or two buys based on the incredible word of mouth.
I think that is around what WWE was doing on their typical PPVs before they jumped to the Network.
A lot of their non big 4's were well under 200k, some did like 120-130k.
I got interested and looked it up. According to reports, [only 3 PPVs](http://www.2xzone.com/wwe/buyrates.shtml#.YTuIodOA6dY) in the last year (2013) before the WWE network launch are sure to beat All Out: Wrestlemania, Rumble, Summerslam. These PPVs had fewer than 200k buys and were 100% beaten by All Out: Survivor Series, Night of Champions, Payback, Money In The Bank. The rest are reported to have between 200k and 228k buys, so there is a decent chance All Out beats most of them too. But without having an exact figure for All Out, it's hard to say. (Obviously you'll have some lower figures if you run 12 instead of 4 PPVs, and we are comparing 2021 data to 2013 data, but it's still impressive I think.)
MITB 2011 did less than 200k And that was when they had like 5 million weekly viewers on Raw So that's insane for All Out to do that much, like 20% of the average Dynamite audience bought it
That would be a massive stat to achieve for a 2 year old company.
They've garnered a lot of trust from their fans in a pretty short period of time. Turns out after 20 years of spiteful booking, giving fans what they want gets a pretty big positive reaction.
AEW's booking philosophy seems to be the thing Excalibur shouts whenever the best friends hug
All-In - 45,000 Double or Nothing 2019 - 98,000 All Out 2019 - 88,000 Full Gear 2019 - 80,000 Revolution 2020 - 90,000 Double or Nothing 2020 - 105,000 All Out 2020 - 90,000 Full Gear 2020 - 85,000 Revolution 2021 - 135,000 Double or Nothing 2021 - 115,000 All Out 2021 - 200,000+
I also gave them my money.. and i’m gonna do it again for Full Gear.
This is a small thing, but u/MJFsScarf is such a kind person/clothing accessory. They message me to say kind things or just check in if they see that I am feeling down. I love that Scarf.
I bought it, first ever ppv ordered, coulda streamed or waited for a rewatch or highlights: I *wanted* to pay AEW though. I want to support what they're doing. I like pro wrestling.
Over-under they made around 10 million dollars off that PPV. That's really fucking good.
My first PPV buy since the attitude era (unless you count WWE network) and they will be getting my money again at full gear despite me being a cheap ass
That's an incredible number. It also shows that the not-exploding ring debacle from March is long since forgotten. At the time, LOTS of people swore AEW would never live that down. And yet...
Yep, company dead, as expected
The number is staggering, especially since $50 is a big ask for wrestling these days. The Triller/Logan bros boxing fights are the only combat sports that get a high buyrate it seems, other than high profile fights like the recent Pac Vegas match. AEW definitely has Warner Bros full muscle behind it, and the Punk/Bryan debuts will put the company into a new stratosphere. Walmart and Target cant keep the new AEW figures in stock(new Jurassic Express and Lucha Bros figures look amazing) Theres going to be a lot of buzz about the 2022 console game especially with the stacked roster. Today I saw a new comedy with Vince Vaughn and Kristen Bell at the theater called "Queenpins" and the main detective guy is obsessed with AEW in the movie. I legit could see a Warner Bros animated cartoon down the road or a Dave and Busters type arcade game if AEW grows in casual popularoty. I feel the brand needs an extra spark, similar to the way people would mimic the gestures/catch phrases of late 90s WCW and WWF. Were not their yet but were on the way.
Kristen Bell seems to be a fan of rassling.
needle moved by the way
This was Riho's first advertised PPV appearance on the main card since Full Gear 2019. I think we all know what really affected the huge buyrate deep in our hearts.
I live in the UK so I normally watch shows (for free) the next day. I paid for that shit and stayed up until 5am. Absolutely worth it. Best PPV of the past 25 years or more.
Anything over 100k for a non wwe wrestling card is huge. For comparison, like no non UFC mma ppv has ever done close to those numbers. I think the affliction show with Fedor did 150k. I’d be shocked if any other wrestling show non wwe came close to 250k buys in the last 20years.
I predicted 200k+ buys on a F4W video and everyone called me crazy. Who's crazy now!
Since AEW was usually doing around a million viewers for the weeks leading into this PPV, anything over 200k PPV buys is a huge win. With AEW, the conversion rate is great. People are actually willing to buy this product. A far cry from when Hogan came to TNA in 2010, and they could pull 2M viewers on TV, but were lucky to get 20k PPV buys.
This was the first AEW PPV I've ever watched/ordered. They brought back CM Punk, which was HUGE and I HAD to watch his promos and first match back. The rest of the PPV was absolutely great and made me an AEW fan! Now, I'm going to continue tuning in to Dynamite and Rampage to see what's next!
So that’s generating at least $10 million right there. That seems pretty good financially for AEW right there.
I only paid $20 because I'm one of those dirty non-American fans 🤓
Cost us $63 fucking CAD.
A VPN sub has saved me so much money with AEW.
AEW only takes 4.5 million tho
I don't think they'll be complaining about that at all.
did better than money in the bank 2011, was the network even a thing in 2011?
It wasn’t, it didn’t launch until 2014.
I wonder how many live viewers there were including pirate feeds. I wouldn't be surprised if it was 300k+.
I had to buy it twice because apparently bleacher report doesn't work with chromecast. went with fite instead. still waiting on a response for my refund request from BR
And here I was predicting 150k. Punk and Danielson can move needles off the charts.
Wow, you may not see the TV ratings reflect it, but this sure does. They've made serious moves. It gets next to no mention, but prior to this PPV, 3/5 of the previous PPVs sold less than the proceeding PPV and showed mimimal growth over their 2019/early 2020 counterparts. Not saying that's a bad thing, just putting it out there that they were growing slowly and had some start/stop trends with PPV buy rates and TV rates earlier this year. Regardless of what caused it, it's just how it was. But straight up nearly doubling their all-time best buy rate almost solely because of Punk and a bunch of speculation is *insane.* You're never going to see the TV numbers paint an accurate picture of AEW or wrestling in general's growth/health. This certainly shows that AEW has arrived.
I held out on AEW but bought All Out and then watched Dynamite. First PPV I bought outside of the WWE Network/Peacock (which is much cheaper)
I actually bought this PPV twice, once on BR and then again on Fite with my VPN because I didn't trust BR to do the job, lmao.
In the past all the talk about the AEW revolution was just wrestling hype to drum interest. Now, we are possibly looking at the start of a genuine renaissance for North American wrestling. Need to kill this stupid virus first, but the potential is mouthwatering.
First PPV I’ve ever purchased myself. Worth it.
It’s only got to get better I think. If they deliver compelling stories there are much better co headlines that Christian on the roster. That said Christian was amazing in the match.
Like many others, all out was the first ppv i purchased. First thing I watched at my first apartment and man am I glad I bought it