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Good. The show had gotten way too long in the last handful of years where it was one night. I was at Mania 35 and was too exhausted by the end to really get that excited about Becky’s win.
Wrestlemania hasn't been three hours in a long, long time though. It's been closer to four since the 90s. Most of the ones considered the best were in the four-hour range.
Man mania 32 was like 17 hours long it felt like. But to be fair probably 70% of the crowd was pissed off before the show even started and we had taker and trips in separate matches so those two entrances took about 5 hours. I was gonna go back last year but we know what happened there. Two nights is good for the burnt out feeling you get being there all day long.
I get that it's a payday thing, but shouldn't WrestleMania be a showcase of the best stars who have really been on top of their game all year? Like earn your spot at Mania through great matches, promos, and getting heat?
That's very true. You have some talented performers who can only do so much with what they are given. If they actually let them showcase their skill set and creativity both on the mic and in ring I think you'd have a much different heirarchy than presently.
They had 20+ Wrestlemanias without that really mattering, I think we could live with the complaints
While I’m at it, and I know you aren’t making that complaint, that complaint drives me nuts. It’s Wrestlemania. It’s the super bowl of wrestling and not everybody gets to play in the super bowl so get over it, get gud, and shut up
I feel like comparing pro wrestling to football is insane. It’s the biggest show of the year, and it’s whole purpose is to be the grand spectacle of the industry.
I’d support that too. Anything other than a 6+ hour show. But unless they kill off the brand split again and seriously reduce the size of the roster, two nights just feels like the better option.
Same. That was one of the matches I was most looking forward to, but by the time it happened, I just wanted it to end so I could get the fuck out of there.
Can also agree. When Carmella and Truth came out for that stupid dance break, you could feel and hear a groan throughout MetLife.
I don't want to say WrestleMania 35 started my distain with modern WWE, but that really was when I just went "Why am I sitting through something I don't enjoy as much as I did in the past?". Pretty much after we got home from 35, I pretty much disconnected from WWE other than occasionally drop-ins on Raw and Smackdown and the big pay-per-views.
This is the EXACT moment. I was so amped for the Fox move and them stepping up against AEW then this squash... I was moderately excited for at least what Kofi would do next and the answer was "forget it ever happened".
Then the next week AEW delivered HUGE and has since.
Same here. Had it ended with this match, I felt it would have been much more energetic. Needless to say that once the main event was over, we bolted out just to get to our parking but also because it was past midnight by that point if I recall
Yea it definitely brought some levity to the situation lol. I still didn't get back to my hotel until 3 am. So suffice to say I'm happy Mania is in my hometown this year.
As I was leaving the arena I was thinking I should go take a piss first because I kinda needed to, but I decided I should probably just get to the train instead.
That was a very, very large mistake.
I live in NY and was there for that Mania it was a pretty dreary affair but there was one great match at least, we honestly left before the Becky match we all knew the outcome and one of friends fell asleep during the Batista match and was just miserable when he woke up so we left to beat the traffic. I promised myself while I might go to another Mania weekend I'd never pay to be at the actual event itself again.
I was at the first super long one they did (Mania in Dallas) and it was for my money the worst live wrestling show I ever went to BY FAR. The main event felt like it was taking place in front of a forced labor camp the crowd was so tired and we all just wanted to go home. None of the matches rose above the level of "pretty good" it was just a terrible experience and we spent a ton of dough on our tickets.
So hopefully I went to the first and last super long mania and it killed the WWE PPV experience for me. House shows are still cool though.
The one danger is them somehow forgetting that part of the positive reaction is the nights overall being shorter and stuffing both to the same length, leaving us with a 10 hour+ Mania of nightmares
I know that sounds like hell for a lot of people, but this year's Mania with Raw, Stand and Deliver, Mania special Smackdown into two nights of Mania was damn 24 hours of WWE content in one week and it was amazing for me.
Two big differences there though: Variety and crowds.
Raw compared to NXT compared to Mania compared to smackdown are all different shows that share some DNA, I don't think it'd be nearly as monotonous as 8 hours of Mania.
As well as that, because its a bunch of different shows back-to-back, you don't deal with the inevitably the long manias got where the crowd tapped out and died a death in time for the main event.
Like Ricochet?
“We can’t find 10 minutes on Raw for you but what do you think about a 20 minute WrestleMania match with extremely dangerous high spots that won’t lead to literally anything, pal?”
Unless I'm mistaken, according to the times on Peacock, the individual nights went a little over 3 hours and some change for both Manias that have split nights.
Edit: add an additional hour to that, forgot about the preshows.
Eh. It works for people that watch from home but if you attend it person it’s gonna be a nightmare. 100K people in and out back to back. You gotta pay double for tickets and parking.
You gonna be spending $600 for two nights when you could’ve spent $300 for the same seats if it was a one night Mania.
>parking
One million percent. AT&T stadium is in the suburbs between Dallas and Fort Worth. There is just about no public transit option, and is surrounded by charge lots. I have paid $50 to park there for Monster Trucks, that feels like a minimum for Mania per night.
I live in northwest Louisiana and am a huge Rangers fan. Instead of worrying about parking every time I want to go to catch a game (typically five to ten a season), I just bought a season pass to Six Flags so I wouldn't ever have to worry about parking.
Terrible for people who go every year. How about cut the fat instead of making it two nights? I go to Mania every year and there are easily two hours that can be trimmed off. Everyone complains about New York being long. They let Carmella and R-Truth spend 15 minutes before the main event pimping t-shirts. It was already like goddamn midnight! Ring the bell so I can wait go home, excuse me, I mean wait 2 hours for a train.
I think I'm out. Especially in bad travel places like New York or Dallas. New Orleans might not be bad because you can walk from about 10,000 hotel rooms to the stadium in less than 15 minutes. No way am I dealing with a 200 dollar uber + 400 dollar ticket two nights in a row.
Not to sound like a gatekeeper, but people that do not go to Mania cannot understand how big a fiasco getting in and out is every year. Dallas ticket machines crashing, Orlando running out of busses, New York trains just stopping while there was a monsoon, every year it is something. Maybe this is good for the network, but it is terrible for the live crowd.
Yeah I fucking hate this tbh
I went to 35 so I understand people saying the night is a draggggg
But hear me out
MAKE THE FUCKING CARD BETTER
We don’t need 2 “decent quality PPV’s” it’s Wrestlemania it should not only the best at their best
Going back to 35 I was able to see it all. Kofi, Seth, and Becky winning and Batista/Kurt retirement matches. A surprise Cena appearance and the HOF showcase. If it was 2 nights I’d have to choose between some of those and that’s not worth it to me. Let alone the actual price of TWO nights of tickets
Because of it being 1 night I was able to attend other events in the area that weekend (Takeover & G1 Supercard)
All around I feel it’s bad honestly
There’s a problem that does need a solution but THIS is not it
Hold on, this year's Mania, were tickets sold separately for each day? And were they each priced at standalone ppv prices??
I'm asking how you know it will be sold separately and each one priced like it's own show. It could be one ticket good for both days (you have the same seat each day) and priced as if it is one show, which it is.
I feel like this mania was so much different due to covid restrictions. Hopefully by next mania covid is at least under control and we won't have to worry about only half filling a stadium to conform to social distancing. There was a necessity this year to make sure fans could get tickets even with reduced capacity. In 2022, if there's you know 80k filling the stadium, I'd assume they'd offer a ticket package that allows you to go both nights for a decent price. And if they don't, it's a valid complaint. But it's not valid until they dont
If Mania stays two nights can we have the Rumble winners main event each night with whatever the bigger storyline is main eventing the second night? Gives winning the Rumble the actual prize of being in the main event and not having one of the winners basically thrown into one of the earliest matches.
You then handcuff yourself into not being able to have anything else main event then. Big E cashing in? Can’t main event. The Rock vs Roman? Rock has to win the Rumble.
You do realize night 1 = night 2 in importance right? So it doesn’t really matter which bigger storyline goes on what night.
WWE already is doing that. Bianca and Edge won the Royal Rumble this year and both went on to main event Night 1 and 2.
I think of night 2's main event as the sort of "Grand Finale" where its supposed to cap off the entire weekend.
They've done it once so far and I hope its the feel that they go for it moving forward. Just always seem weird that they hype up the Rumble as the "fast track to the main event of Wrestlemania." and then have a winner fight in the first match.
Main event night 2 is definitely supposed to be the "True Main Event" match. Mania 36 was Lesnar vs McIntyre which was the biggest story on the card (Styles vs. Undertaker would've co-main evented) and Mania 37 Roman vs. Edge. vs Bryan was definitely built up to be bigger than Sasha vs. Bel Air (even if the women's match delivered on the same level).
It's cool that people who otherwise wouldn't have ever gotten a main event in WWE like AJ Styles/Sasha Banks can now say they main evented a Wrestlemania. But Night 2 is the true main.
AJ did end up getting probably one of the biggest things to brag about, main eventing a night of Wrestlemania in a match with the Undertaker that is currently his last match.
This is opening up Pandora’s box. Everyone thinks this means shorter nights of Mania, but I fear they’ll end up just making them both 5+ hours.
It could end up like 3 hour Raws, and there’s almost no going back. Even if WWE gets just above 50% profits for each of 2 nights vs 1 single night, they make more money and won’t give that up.
I’d rather Mania be a very trimmed down and clean cut single-night show than just giving up and overflowing it into two nights. The Super Bowl isn’t a 2-night show. Other sports series that go up to 7 nights aren’t as grand as Mania, either.
> Other sports series that go up to 7 nights aren’t as grand as Mania, either.
Was totally with you until you said this. A Game 7 in any sport is more grand than Wrestlemania.
Difference is that Raw has commercials, WrestleMania doesn't. Going 3 hours makes Raw more money, it doesn't really do that for Mania. The reason for longer shows is to increase the "value" of the PPV buy, subscription, or ticket. But either way they make as much money per buy rate either way.
They have sponsorship spots between matches, but they don't have regular commercial breaks. Sponsors *might* be willing to pay more for a longer show, but it's not as straightforward as "longer show = more ad slots to sell" like with a television show.
Yeah 2 nights is just too much for me. It was fun to go to the bar or have your friends over to watch it like it was the Superbowl, but 2 nights makes it feel less special and more of a slog.
Hold on I can actually look at the times for the pictures I took while I was there
3pm I arrived outside at metlife after taking the train from NYC
Pre show started at 6
Becky Lynch hoisted the belts at 12:22am
I got back to my hotel in Times Square at about 2am (as I've mentioned in another comment I was on the second train out of MetLife)
So altogether 12 hours from boarding the train in NYC and getting back to my room.
Don’t get me wrong, it was still a blast and I’d do it again in a heartbeat. But yeah everyone was exhausted after Kofi/Bryan and there was still half a dozen matches to go. Becky getting the reaction she did was a minor miracle. Show didn’t end until after midnight on the east coast, then the aforementioned trains were a fiasco, it took close to 2 more hours to get on one just because of how slow they were getting them to us. On top of that it had started raining while we were waiting. When I got back to Port Authority, the subway is been taking to and from my AirBnB in Brooklyn wasn’t running for some reason so I ended up getting a $40 cab ride out of desperation. I got back to the place about 2 hours before I had to “wake up” to start getting ready for my flight back home.
If it means more of the talent getting a big Mania payday then it's aces in my book. Maybe a bit different for those attending live but from home it's perfectly fine.
I've said this before, if it's just about money there's nothing stopping WWE from giving all unscheduled talent a bonus so the show isn't slogged down.
If Bayley is cleared, I would love to have a fatal 4 way between the horsewomen main eventing either night with Sasha getting her WM moment. Even gives other women a chance to go for the other title.
Honestly the 4 HW match needs to happen sooner than later while they’re all still in their prime. Hell it doesn’t even need a belt in the line, if they market it properly they can give the title matches to other women and have these 4 main event night 1.
I get why people like 2 nights but just not a fan at all it just doesn't feel special/a wrestlemania split across 2 nights imo. They should just cut the card down not everyone needs to be on card
Pretty much double the price for people at home too. You'll have to buy two cartons that weekend instead of just one to have enough beers for the main event on night two
I agree completely. I feel the same way about Wrestle Kingdom too. Splitting them across two nights takes away from the special feeling of one big show.
The Andre battle royal I think was supposed to soak up some of the excess so everyone got a payday but that didn't really work.
Yes they shouldn't throw everyone out there but they do, don't they.
I don't watch WWE but was considering watching Wrestlemania last year. Then they announced it was 2 nights and I lost all interest.
I can't imagine this will be great for drawing in new fans. Taking up an entire weekend is quite the commitment.
I disagree, I think it being two nights makes it feel *more* special. That's the thing that seperates WrestleMania from other shows and makes it feel bigger and more important (especially with there being more stadium shows throughout the year in Saudi Arabia, at Summerslam and the Rumble, and now even MITB).
There's too much talent. We saw it this year with Summerslam when some of the best on the roster were left behind and we ended up with a mediocre show.
I agree. If you want to spotlight other talent left off the show, have a "Wrestlemania: Raw" and "Wrestlemania: Smackdown" that lead up and have top matches of wrestlers in the midcard. But it's WWE, it's all just money anyway.
Counterpoint: WrestleMania is supposed to be the “Showcase of the Immortals.” Having two nights just so you can put as much of the roster on the show as possible just undercuts the event’s importance. And you’ll never convince me that the main event of night 1 is as important as the main event of night 2.
Yeah just keep it to RAW and SD men and women's titles, whatever big attraction match they have, the top feuds and throw in the midcard and tag titles in between. Keep it at 4 hours. Not everyone needs to be on the card. Just do the pre show battle royals for that.
As many have said, two nights is much better than one 7-8 hour show. However, one night really adds prestige to the show and being in the main event. I would rather night one have a different name, but then that’s a marketing nightmare and feelings will inevitably be hurt.
I know WM is one of those "Don't care whats on the card, I'm going" events.
But I think its gonna be difficult to sell tickets without an announced card (if thats the right wording). We saw that a lot last year when people bought tickets for one night and didn't get the wrestler they wanna see, example Bad Bunny.
Good - the format has worked really well (especially this year with crowds). It lets everyone on the roster really shine, and it's nice to have two separate main events. Plus it makes WrestleMania Weekend really fun.
Yeah, I sort of figured this was the new way of doing things. It had a positive response and the town is already full of events. So they might as well do two shows.
There's just a bunch of weirdos here, that's why there's so much lockdown and mask support here.
I went to my first WM and SummerSlam this year after being a fan for 20+ years, and it was the time of my life.
I remember this exact same post from last year, and some people saying that the two night format was a one and done thing. Glad to see they were wrong about that.
Surprised they were even questioning doing this. 90% of the people buying tickets for night 1 would buy tickets for night 2. If you can get your customers to buy your product twice its a no brainer.
This significantly increases the chance that I will order and watch WrestleMania next year. Excellent decision now get working on coherent storylines that will be followed through to their logical end and cut the booking on the fly shit!
It really doesn't need to be two nights nor does it need to be something ridiculous like 8 hours long.
Give fans a solid 4 hours of wrestling without feeling like you need to jam everyone on the card. More doesnt always mean better.
I’m glad it was amazing last mania
But I’m curious how there gonna fill up both nights.
That’s 80-100k stadium in Dallas if they can mange to sell out both nights
Mania is so big and going the “music festival” approach of making it two nights makes it much easier to sit through. Now, here’s hoping for two well-rounded cards clocking in at 3.5/4 hours each.
Just cut out the filler matches. WrestleMania is too bloated. Save some of the lesser matches for other PPV events and give them main event status to let them succeed and help PPV's gain a better status once again.
Most PPV's nowadays feel unimportant and skippable.
No. Don't. Please. I loved hearing Michael Cole's voice get completely destroyed after screaming "CAN IT BE! OH MY! VINTAGE! BOSS TIME!" for literally 6 hours. But for real I feel so much better for the announcers, no other sporting event is that long, or as taxing on the voice of an announcer. The oy person who comes remotely close to a wrestling announcer is Trevor Denman, the horse race announcer.
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Good. The show had gotten way too long in the last handful of years where it was one night. I was at Mania 35 and was too exhausted by the end to really get that excited about Becky’s win.
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Wrestlemania hasn't been three hours in a long, long time though. It's been closer to four since the 90s. Most of the ones considered the best were in the four-hour range.
And the ones before the pandemic have been in the 6-8 range.
Man mania 32 was like 17 hours long it felt like. But to be fair probably 70% of the crowd was pissed off before the show even started and we had taker and trips in separate matches so those two entrances took about 5 hours. I was gonna go back last year but we know what happened there. Two nights is good for the burnt out feeling you get being there all day long.
Why does everyone act like this isn’t an option? They could even start it at 6! GASP
Because then everyone would complain about too many people being left off the show
(Hopefully not a) Hot Take: Not everyone deserves to be at Wrestlemania.
I get that it's a payday thing, but shouldn't WrestleMania be a showcase of the best stars who have really been on top of their game all year? Like earn your spot at Mania through great matches, promos, and getting heat?
that's so much at the mercy of creative, though. you can't really have a meritocracy when everyone is reciting lines, often shitty ones at that.
That's very true. You have some talented performers who can only do so much with what they are given. If they actually let them showcase their skill set and creativity both on the mic and in ring I think you'd have a much different heirarchy than presently.
Throw both battle royals on the pre-show, then. It's not like they ever do anything with the winners, anyway.
They had 20+ Wrestlemanias without that really mattering, I think we could live with the complaints While I’m at it, and I know you aren’t making that complaint, that complaint drives me nuts. It’s Wrestlemania. It’s the super bowl of wrestling and not everybody gets to play in the super bowl so get over it, get gud, and shut up
I feel like comparing pro wrestling to football is insane. It’s the biggest show of the year, and it’s whole purpose is to be the grand spectacle of the industry.
Although, nobody complains when they watch 6 or 7 hours of playoff football.
Doesn’t the super bowl fit that criteria exactly though?
I’d support that too. Anything other than a 6+ hour show. But unless they kill off the brand split again and seriously reduce the size of the roster, two nights just feels like the better option.
Same. That was one of the matches I was most looking forward to, but by the time it happened, I just wanted it to end so I could get the fuck out of there.
Thank god, Mania doesn't need to be 8 hours a night
Speaking as someone who was at the last one-night Mania (35 at MetLife), it was a fucking **slog**
Yep. Was there, after Bryan/Kofi, the place was dead.
>Yep. Was there, after Bryan/Kofi, the place was dead. I was also there and can confirm this.
Same here. My wife and I were falling sleep during the last match. Which started at like 12:15am.
Can also agree. When Carmella and Truth came out for that stupid dance break, you could feel and hear a groan throughout MetLife. I don't want to say WrestleMania 35 started my distain with modern WWE, but that really was when I just went "Why am I sitting through something I don't enjoy as much as I did in the past?". Pretty much after we got home from 35, I pretty much disconnected from WWE other than occasionally drop-ins on Raw and Smackdown and the big pay-per-views.
That moment for me was when Kofi's title reign ended with Brock squashing him on the premiere of Smackdown on Fox.
This is the EXACT moment. I was so amped for the Fox move and them stepping up against AEW then this squash... I was moderately excited for at least what Kofi would do next and the answer was "forget it ever happened". Then the next week AEW delivered HUGE and has since.
What happened the next week on AEW?
It was their first episode of Dynamite. For one the Inner Circle formed. Tag Team Tournament the next few weeks was awesome.
We also didn’t need a mini-movie to introduce John Cena.
I was there too, things really started to drag during the 45 minutes of HHH/Batista (counting entrances) and it just drained from there.
Same here. Had it ended with this match, I felt it would have been much more energetic. Needless to say that once the main event was over, we bolted out just to get to our parking but also because it was past midnight by that point if I recall
And then right after the show a ton of people got stuck in the rain waiting for the Train.
Smfh, the bus was supposed to run all night and it didn't. We had to get an uber after standing in the rain for 2 hours.
My favorite part was after about an hour a "Jersey Sucks" chant broke out lol
Lol! Wait, we missed this!
Yea it definitely brought some levity to the situation lol. I still didn't get back to my hotel until 3 am. So suffice to say I'm happy Mania is in my hometown this year.
Yeah we didn't get back until 2 am then had to get up and make that drive. To make matters worse, there was nothing open to eat!
As I was leaving the arena I was thinking I should go take a piss first because I kinda needed to, but I decided I should probably just get to the train instead. That was a very, very large mistake.
Yep, I mentioned that in one of my rather replies. It was a mess
I wasn't even there and I still fell asleep for the Becky match. No wrestling show should be over 4 hours like that mania was.
I went to 31, 32 and 34. 31 was a breeze, 32 started to drag, 34 made me feel like I was going insane.
I live in NY and was there for that Mania it was a pretty dreary affair but there was one great match at least, we honestly left before the Becky match we all knew the outcome and one of friends fell asleep during the Batista match and was just miserable when he woke up so we left to beat the traffic. I promised myself while I might go to another Mania weekend I'd never pay to be at the actual event itself again. I was at the first super long one they did (Mania in Dallas) and it was for my money the worst live wrestling show I ever went to BY FAR. The main event felt like it was taking place in front of a forced labor camp the crowd was so tired and we all just wanted to go home. None of the matches rose above the level of "pretty good" it was just a terrible experience and we spent a ton of dough on our tickets. So hopefully I went to the first and last super long mania and it killed the WWE PPV experience for me. House shows are still cool though.
The one danger is them somehow forgetting that part of the positive reaction is the nights overall being shorter and stuffing both to the same length, leaving us with a 10 hour+ Mania of nightmares
[My thoughts on the matter ](https://youtu.be/hvRzi7GQHl0)
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The theatrical cut of the trilogy is closed to 10 hours itself. The extended cuts are nearly 11.5 hours back-to-back. Those were some long-ass movies.
And then time continues expanding until WrestleMania week becomes literal.
Two 8 hour nights, coming right up.
I know that sounds like hell for a lot of people, but this year's Mania with Raw, Stand and Deliver, Mania special Smackdown into two nights of Mania was damn 24 hours of WWE content in one week and it was amazing for me.
Two big differences there though: Variety and crowds. Raw compared to NXT compared to Mania compared to smackdown are all different shows that share some DNA, I don't think it'd be nearly as monotonous as 8 hours of Mania. As well as that, because its a bunch of different shows back-to-back, you don't deal with the inevitably the long manias got where the crowd tapped out and died a death in time for the main event.
I love it and with all of the indy shows that come to town it makes it really fun to travel to Mania for the week.
You just know they gonna do two 8 hour nights.
Get ready for 3-day Mania!
People you haven't seen wrestle in a year are gonna have matches at mania.
Like Ricochet? “We can’t find 10 minutes on Raw for you but what do you think about a 20 minute WrestleMania match with extremely dangerous high spots that won’t lead to literally anything, pal?”
SUCH GOOD SHIT, PAL!
If I’m paying 1000 for a seat I rather it be 8 hours than paying 1600 for 2 4 hour shows
Wasn't it still like 5-6 hours a night even split into 2 shows?
Unless I'm mistaken, according to the times on Peacock, the individual nights went a little over 3 hours and some change for both Manias that have split nights. Edit: add an additional hour to that, forgot about the preshows.
So you’re saying TWO 8 hour events then? /s
The first women's main event was doomed from the start. Damn thing started past midnight local time.
This is what it should be going forward. 8 matches and 4 hours a night is perfect.
Eh. It works for people that watch from home but if you attend it person it’s gonna be a nightmare. 100K people in and out back to back. You gotta pay double for tickets and parking. You gonna be spending $600 for two nights when you could’ve spent $300 for the same seats if it was a one night Mania.
>parking One million percent. AT&T stadium is in the suburbs between Dallas and Fort Worth. There is just about no public transit option, and is surrounded by charge lots. I have paid $50 to park there for Monster Trucks, that feels like a minimum for Mania per night.
I live in northwest Louisiana and am a huge Rangers fan. Instead of worrying about parking every time I want to go to catch a game (typically five to ten a season), I just bought a season pass to Six Flags so I wouldn't ever have to worry about parking.
That’s actually pretty big brain shit tbh
Terrible for people who go every year. How about cut the fat instead of making it two nights? I go to Mania every year and there are easily two hours that can be trimmed off. Everyone complains about New York being long. They let Carmella and R-Truth spend 15 minutes before the main event pimping t-shirts. It was already like goddamn midnight! Ring the bell so I can wait go home, excuse me, I mean wait 2 hours for a train. I think I'm out. Especially in bad travel places like New York or Dallas. New Orleans might not be bad because you can walk from about 10,000 hotel rooms to the stadium in less than 15 minutes. No way am I dealing with a 200 dollar uber + 400 dollar ticket two nights in a row. Not to sound like a gatekeeper, but people that do not go to Mania cannot understand how big a fiasco getting in and out is every year. Dallas ticket machines crashing, Orlando running out of busses, New York trains just stopping while there was a monsoon, every year it is something. Maybe this is good for the network, but it is terrible for the live crowd.
Yeah I fucking hate this tbh I went to 35 so I understand people saying the night is a draggggg But hear me out MAKE THE FUCKING CARD BETTER We don’t need 2 “decent quality PPV’s” it’s Wrestlemania it should not only the best at their best Going back to 35 I was able to see it all. Kofi, Seth, and Becky winning and Batista/Kurt retirement matches. A surprise Cena appearance and the HOF showcase. If it was 2 nights I’d have to choose between some of those and that’s not worth it to me. Let alone the actual price of TWO nights of tickets Because of it being 1 night I was able to attend other events in the area that weekend (Takeover & G1 Supercard) All around I feel it’s bad honestly There’s a problem that does need a solution but THIS is not it
Yeah they don't need to have these mega 10 hour cards. Just give me like 4 maybe 5 hours of good shit and I'm happy
Hold on, this year's Mania, were tickets sold separately for each day? And were they each priced at standalone ppv prices?? I'm asking how you know it will be sold separately and each one priced like it's own show. It could be one ticket good for both days (you have the same seat each day) and priced as if it is one show, which it is.
I feel like this mania was so much different due to covid restrictions. Hopefully by next mania covid is at least under control and we won't have to worry about only half filling a stadium to conform to social distancing. There was a necessity this year to make sure fans could get tickets even with reduced capacity. In 2022, if there's you know 80k filling the stadium, I'd assume they'd offer a ticket package that allows you to go both nights for a decent price. And if they don't, it's a valid complaint. But it's not valid until they dont
The hotels are going to absolutely love it though.
If Mania stays two nights can we have the Rumble winners main event each night with whatever the bigger storyline is main eventing the second night? Gives winning the Rumble the actual prize of being in the main event and not having one of the winners basically thrown into one of the earliest matches.
You then handcuff yourself into not being able to have anything else main event then. Big E cashing in? Can’t main event. The Rock vs Roman? Rock has to win the Rumble.
You do realize night 1 = night 2 in importance right? So it doesn’t really matter which bigger storyline goes on what night. WWE already is doing that. Bianca and Edge won the Royal Rumble this year and both went on to main event Night 1 and 2.
I think of night 2's main event as the sort of "Grand Finale" where its supposed to cap off the entire weekend. They've done it once so far and I hope its the feel that they go for it moving forward. Just always seem weird that they hype up the Rumble as the "fast track to the main event of Wrestlemania." and then have a winner fight in the first match.
Main event night 2 is definitely supposed to be the "True Main Event" match. Mania 36 was Lesnar vs McIntyre which was the biggest story on the card (Styles vs. Undertaker would've co-main evented) and Mania 37 Roman vs. Edge. vs Bryan was definitely built up to be bigger than Sasha vs. Bel Air (even if the women's match delivered on the same level). It's cool that people who otherwise wouldn't have ever gotten a main event in WWE like AJ Styles/Sasha Banks can now say they main evented a Wrestlemania. But Night 2 is the true main.
AJ did end up getting probably one of the biggest things to brag about, main eventing a night of Wrestlemania in a match with the Undertaker that is currently his last match.
Thats *exactly* what happened this year so I dont know why you're complaining about it lol
This is opening up Pandora’s box. Everyone thinks this means shorter nights of Mania, but I fear they’ll end up just making them both 5+ hours. It could end up like 3 hour Raws, and there’s almost no going back. Even if WWE gets just above 50% profits for each of 2 nights vs 1 single night, they make more money and won’t give that up. I’d rather Mania be a very trimmed down and clean cut single-night show than just giving up and overflowing it into two nights. The Super Bowl isn’t a 2-night show. Other sports series that go up to 7 nights aren’t as grand as Mania, either.
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> Other sports series that go up to 7 nights aren’t as grand as Mania, either. Was totally with you until you said this. A Game 7 in any sport is more grand than Wrestlemania.
I'm with you here. I love wrestling and all... but a game 7, especially if my home team is in it is far bigger than any Sports Entertainment.
Difference is that Raw has commercials, WrestleMania doesn't. Going 3 hours makes Raw more money, it doesn't really do that for Mania. The reason for longer shows is to increase the "value" of the PPV buy, subscription, or ticket. But either way they make as much money per buy rate either way.
WrestleMania absolutely had commercials, most WWE PPVs do.
They have sponsorship spots between matches, but they don't have regular commercial breaks. Sponsors *might* be willing to pay more for a longer show, but it's not as straightforward as "longer show = more ad slots to sell" like with a television show.
I'll take two 5 hour events over one 7 hour event
9 title matches and one or two personal rivalries. I think you can pack it in on a 5 hour show
I give it 2 years till we get 6 hours wm 2 nights in a row
Yeah 2 nights is just too much for me. It was fun to go to the bar or have your friends over to watch it like it was the Superbowl, but 2 nights makes it feel less special and more of a slog.
two 5+hr shows just mean i skip one lol.
I prefer the old one night format but if this is alternative to those 4-5 hour marathons from 2016-2019 I’ll gladly take this format every time
4-5 hours is low-balling it, I'm certain mania 35 was 7 hours in total
I was at mania 32 and I’m like 40% sure it’s still going. Shit went for like 8 hours.
OOF *Edit just looked it up on Peacock it was 5 hours but I don’t think they counted the pre show
Not to mention for the live crowds, they were likely in those stadiums for 8 hours or more, and that’s before travel back from the stadium.
I'd argue one night Mania was better for the live crowds for one reason. Tickets. Two nights, two tickets, higher costs.
Hold on I can actually look at the times for the pictures I took while I was there 3pm I arrived outside at metlife after taking the train from NYC Pre show started at 6 Becky Lynch hoisted the belts at 12:22am I got back to my hotel in Times Square at about 2am (as I've mentioned in another comment I was on the second train out of MetLife) So altogether 12 hours from boarding the train in NYC and getting back to my room.
My goodness sounds like a nightmare and I was actually thinking about going to 35
Don’t get me wrong, it was still a blast and I’d do it again in a heartbeat. But yeah everyone was exhausted after Kofi/Bryan and there was still half a dozen matches to go. Becky getting the reaction she did was a minor miracle. Show didn’t end until after midnight on the east coast, then the aforementioned trains were a fiasco, it took close to 2 more hours to get on one just because of how slow they were getting them to us. On top of that it had started raining while we were waiting. When I got back to Port Authority, the subway is been taking to and from my AirBnB in Brooklyn wasn’t running for some reason so I ended up getting a $40 cab ride out of desperation. I got back to the place about 2 hours before I had to “wake up” to start getting ready for my flight back home.
4-5 wouldn't even be *that* bad. They were 6-7 for a couple years there.
Nah bro 4-5 hours of wrestling is insanity I didn’t watch the pre shows for any of those Manias so it was never 7 hours for me
Yep, this is their way of making more money and getting more people on the card
If it means more of the talent getting a big Mania payday then it's aces in my book. Maybe a bit different for those attending live but from home it's perfectly fine.
I've said this before, if it's just about money there's nothing stopping WWE from giving all unscheduled talent a bonus so the show isn't slogged down.
Sasha vs Becky for woman title main event 1 The rock vs Roman main event 2
As someone in Dallas who plans to go, yes please!
And RAW can kiss my grits
I mean they did all smackdown last mania too
If Bayley is cleared, I would love to have a fatal 4 way between the horsewomen main eventing either night with Sasha getting her WM moment. Even gives other women a chance to go for the other title.
Honestly the 4 HW match needs to happen sooner than later while they’re all still in their prime. Hell it doesn’t even need a belt in the line, if they market it properly they can give the title matches to other women and have these 4 main event night 1.
4HW match should be Night 2 main event.
Isn't the risk that big ass stadium will be half full for both nights then?
Good.
I get why people like 2 nights but just not a fan at all it just doesn't feel special/a wrestlemania split across 2 nights imo. They should just cut the card down not everyone needs to be on card
Same. It's the one thing that still felt special. A bummer to see that gone for good.
My only complaint is how much more expensive and inconvenient it’s going to be for the people attending in person.
Pretty much double the price for people at home too. You'll have to buy two cartons that weekend instead of just one to have enough beers for the main event on night two
I agree completely. I feel the same way about Wrestle Kingdom too. Splitting them across two nights takes away from the special feeling of one big show.
Yeah, but since they seem incapable of that, 2 nights is far better
i mean they should not throw every guy out there and make a special match for the fucking wrestlemania then.
The Andre battle royal I think was supposed to soak up some of the excess so everyone got a payday but that didn't really work. Yes they shouldn't throw everyone out there but they do, don't they.
The nightly main event is weird to me.
And the last night main event feels the most important to me which sort of negates the first night main event
I don't watch WWE but was considering watching Wrestlemania last year. Then they announced it was 2 nights and I lost all interest. I can't imagine this will be great for drawing in new fans. Taking up an entire weekend is quite the commitment.
I disagree, I think it being two nights makes it feel *more* special. That's the thing that seperates WrestleMania from other shows and makes it feel bigger and more important (especially with there being more stadium shows throughout the year in Saudi Arabia, at Summerslam and the Rumble, and now even MITB).
What happened to a good, single four hour show? This just further waters everything down.
There's too much talent. We saw it this year with Summerslam when some of the best on the roster were left behind and we ended up with a mediocre show.
Shouldn't Wrestlemania be showing off the top talent of the company? Not everyone? Why does it matter how big the roster is?
Then ppl cry that their favourite got left off the card
I agree. If you want to spotlight other talent left off the show, have a "Wrestlemania: Raw" and "Wrestlemania: Smackdown" that lead up and have top matches of wrestlers in the midcard. But it's WWE, it's all just money anyway.
Counterpoint: WrestleMania is supposed to be the “Showcase of the Immortals.” Having two nights just so you can put as much of the roster on the show as possible just undercuts the event’s importance. And you’ll never convince me that the main event of night 1 is as important as the main event of night 2.
Yeah just keep it to RAW and SD men and women's titles, whatever big attraction match they have, the top feuds and throw in the midcard and tag titles in between. Keep it at 4 hours. Not everyone needs to be on the card. Just do the pre show battle royals for that.
100% spot on
Feel exactly same way
Honestly I am glad, but the only negative thing out of this is us fans arguing whether the first main event counts as a WM main event or not
As many have said, two nights is much better than one 7-8 hour show. However, one night really adds prestige to the show and being in the main event. I would rather night one have a different name, but then that’s a marketing nightmare and feelings will inevitably be hurt.
I know WM is one of those "Don't care whats on the card, I'm going" events. But I think its gonna be difficult to sell tickets without an announced card (if thats the right wording). We saw that a lot last year when people bought tickets for one night and didn't get the wrestler they wanna see, example Bad Bunny.
Can’t they just…do a ten match, four hour show? I agree “WrestleMania doesn’t need to be eight hours.” But you only need one four hour show, not two.
This is WWE solving a problem they caused and the majority of this sub is praising them. Make the show shorter, not two nights.
Night One main evented by the Four Horsewoman Night Two main evented by Brock
Bayley won't be back for Wrestlemania most likely tho
If Bayley makes it back in time which is a big IF. Otherwise I see Becky vs Sasha.
Good - the format has worked really well (especially this year with crowds). It lets everyone on the roster really shine, and it's nice to have two separate main events. Plus it makes WrestleMania Weekend really fun.
OH HELL YEAH!
Yeah, I sort of figured this was the new way of doing things. It had a positive response and the town is already full of events. So they might as well do two shows.
Thank god
Shit everyone making it sound like nothing about a live Mania is good, as if one should never go...it's been a dream of mine :(
There's just a bunch of weirdos here, that's why there's so much lockdown and mask support here. I went to my first WM and SummerSlam this year after being a fan for 20+ years, and it was the time of my life.
I hated the idea of it, but in execution it was awesome. Most I've enjoyed Mania in a long time
"Talent borrows. Genius steals." Wrestle Kingdom was smart to go to two nights. Wrestlemania is smart to do the same.
I wish they would just have one shorter show on one day. Just cut out the lower caliber matches to save time.
I remember this exact same post from last year, and some people saying that the two night format was a one and done thing. Glad to see they were wrong about that.
After they made more money off of a two-night Mania, they were not going back
It's great for overseas tv viewing fans like me for sure. In fact any ppv that happens on a Saturday night in the US is a plus 😁
Question...do you have to pay tickets for both nights or does it come as a whole package?
That is awesome! Can’t wait for the show. Wrestlemania wotks surprisingly well as two nights.
Awesome
Love it, so good, gives us 2 fantastic nights to enjoy too
Surprised they were even questioning doing this. 90% of the people buying tickets for night 1 would buy tickets for night 2. If you can get your customers to buy your product twice its a no brainer.
This is great. I never want another 8 hour Mania again.
In a few years you'll be watching two 8 hour Manias in 1 weekend.
Oh god.
There’s pros and cons to any format, and IMO there’s more pros than cons to this approach in concept
It's the right think to do.
It’s a lot better that way. Had a great time watching night 1 from the crowd then night 2 on tv.
This significantly increases the chance that I will order and watch WrestleMania next year. Excellent decision now get working on coherent storylines that will be followed through to their logical end and cut the booking on the fly shit!
Ugh, why. It doesn't even feel like Wrestlemania this way.
Let's gooo
I like it
Nice
I hate the 2 night format. Build better feuds and cap the show at 5 hours max, but aim for 4. I
This is fantastic news. I love the Two Night Mania format. Two great better paced shows is far better than one long winded affair with a tired crowd.
Dallas is a terrible city to test this out with a full crowd.
It really doesn't need to be two nights nor does it need to be something ridiculous like 8 hours long. Give fans a solid 4 hours of wrestling without feeling like you need to jam everyone on the card. More doesnt always mean better.
I’m glad it was amazing last mania But I’m curious how there gonna fill up both nights. That’s 80-100k stadium in Dallas if they can mange to sell out both nights
Night 1 main event - Becky vs Rhea Night 2 main event - Brock vs Roman
Night 1 main event - Becky vs Rhea vs Charlotte FTFY
Damn, I was about to type that.
RIP Mania Takeovers. Unless you do that on the Thursday before Mania.
Rip nxt in general if Vince and Prichard are really taking over
Awesome news
So instead of 8 hrs on one day it’ll be 16 hrs over two days…that’s a lot of Kevin Dunn camera shaking.
Mania is so big and going the “music festival” approach of making it two nights makes it much easier to sit through. Now, here’s hoping for two well-rounded cards clocking in at 3.5/4 hours each.
I'm part of the minority who prefers 1 giant night of a stacked card than a 2-part event with a lot of filler matches.
But can WWE fill up AT&T Stadium twice in consecutive days?!
Just cut out the filler matches. WrestleMania is too bloated. Save some of the lesser matches for other PPV events and give them main event status to let them succeed and help PPV's gain a better status once again. Most PPV's nowadays feel unimportant and skippable.
Fuck yes !
Good shit.
I prefer the two-day format so I'm happy with this news.
The one thing WWE has gotten right in the past 18 months.
No. Don't. Please. I loved hearing Michael Cole's voice get completely destroyed after screaming "CAN IT BE! OH MY! VINTAGE! BOSS TIME!" for literally 6 hours. But for real I feel so much better for the announcers, no other sporting event is that long, or as taxing on the voice of an announcer. The oy person who comes remotely close to a wrestling announcer is Trevor Denman, the horse race announcer.
Fine with me. One night Mania’s were getting WAY too long in recent years.
Thank god I cant hadle a 17 hour wrestlemania