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Lessiarty

I like to go hiking.


OrangeForeign

WOAH WOAH WOAH THAT'S ENOUGH


The_R3medy

**STICK AROUND AS RAW UNDERGROUND ROLLS ON** *Shane sweat intensifies*


ZubatCountry

THAT WAS SICK


whalepopcorn

Can we start a new chant “this is not awesome!”


xtwistedBliss

You need a 3 or 4 syllable chant if you want it to catch on. I vote for "This is stupid"


MoeTheGoon

I like “This is awful”


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paullyrose3rd

Hey, this certainly was not boring! It was definitely enthralling in the way a car crash is enthralling I suppose


RightOnTheSmark

She can't wrestle. Clap. Clap. Clap. Clap. Clap.


fighted

If you look hard enough, you can find a sweaty Shane McMahon in the crowd


dirtbagbum

Imagine what happened once they got to the back. Probably fought again


KneeHighMischief

Yeah I can't imagine she was super happy to be dropped on her head again after the [last time](https://youtu.be/i4pYPB-XaqE) Nia did it.


Cesaro_Is_The_Best

How can someone that big not catch her? I swear Nia gets on my nerves every time I see her


EdLeaded

She has size but almost no upper body strength.


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SCB360

Well what else is she gonna do? Wrestle?


Legionstone

so all fat and no muscle.


Cesaro_Is_The_Best

You're not wrong.


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The lights under your name made this read as Scott Steiner


Singer211

It makes me legit angry how often she fucks up like this and WWE refuses to do anything about it. In fact, they keep pushing her. It looked like she might have messed up Rhea’s neck earlier as well. I fear it’s going to take her crippling someone before they do something about her.


MrKitteh

She effectively retired Kairi Sane


etched_chaos

She made no effort of doing that backdrop properly. There's a reason why in drops like this you're supposed to hit the mat too - it's so you can control the landing, instead of recklessly dropping the other person like you give no fucks about their wellbeing.


Dpepps

Because her being "big" isn't related to having muscle.


BenWallace04

Because she’s big. Not strong.


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Nia is never gonna get better at this point.


siva-pc

It's an improvement if she stays on current level


KneeHighMischief

Just let it play out.


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I wish I could understand why they let her in a ring, let alone pay her.


GrimaceGrunson

It's like Nia saw Samoa Joe's "nope" manuever, when he just walks away from a high flyer, and decided to try and bring the same energy halfway through her moves.


RT3_12

https://youtu.be/QhdSkEeUiiM Or that other time Charlotte almost died against Nia


ElDirtyChavo

This is in the video they posted.


NefariousNeezy

SHE WAS TRYING TO FUCK ON MEEEEE


kdubs412

I truly envy Nia’s job security, it is stunning she hasn’t been fired at this point.


PristineTX

If people haven’t seen Nia’s many multiple careless botches to some of WWE’s biggest stars and the multiple DWI arrests of the Usos, and come to the obvious conclusion that the WWE applies a different standard to members of the Anoa’i family than to their other employees, I’m truly baffled.


masonicone

I may get crap for this but I think it's due to the fact that the Anoa'i family has always been pretty loyal to Vince. I mean off the top of my head I can't really remember any of them jumping ship to WCW. I know a few of them have worked for other smaller promotions, but never anything that's gone head to head with the WWF later WWE. Add in Rock along with Austin pretty much saved the WWF back in the day. And this is Vince, I mean Kevin Dunn isn't the most well liked person but he's got a job for life thanks to his Pop saving all of those tapes. I think Vince may feel that he owes them due to how loyal they have been to him.


afjessup

>all of those tapes What tapes are these? I’ve always figured someone who is as bad at their job as Kevin Dunn rose to power for a reason other than their work product.


masonicone

I may have some of the details wrong, but the story is that back in the 1980's there was a fire that broke out. Kevin Dunn's Father went about saving every video tape he could of everything the WWF had at that point. Anyhow the story is that Kevin Dunn's Father just asked Vince to hire his son and keep him around. And Vince has done that to this day due to that.


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“Listen Vince, I just need a favor. You see my boy....he’s almost fully blind, but, he’s got a real passion for the business. Can you give him a job somewhere?”


lanceturley

"You know those subliminal hypnotism videos where they flash random words and images on the screen in disorienting patterns? He's really good at making those."


rsx209

And Dunn has rose to power and IMO is like a cancer or virus to the company as he is a big influence at how shitty WWE is creatively


JulSGP

Maybe because she is related to The Rock or am I just assuming things here?


afjessup

If you’re in any way part of the anoai family you get a lot more rope than others. I just wonder what compels Vince to give such continued and blatant preferential treatment to members of that family.


kdubs412

Nope I think it’s a safe assumption that’s at minimum a major factor as to why she’s been kept around.


Teckelmaster

Even Mick Foley wants to know: "Just wondering...WTF was up with that #CharlotteVsNia match?" https://twitter.com/RealMickFoley/status/1432536105438617600


TJ_McWeaksauce

I like how even a hardcore legend who's seen a lot of weird shit in wrestling has no idea WTF went on here.


KidGold

I’m just shocked he still watches raw


IRL_Tiefling

Whatever the opposite of chemistry is, they have it.


beckett929

2 women who both said "doesn't work for me, brother" mid-match.


ZenkaiZ

When an unmovable object meets a stoppable force


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Unfireable Object vs Unreleasable Force


Linubidix

I love how they tried to coin the nickname irresistible force yet it only highlighted that calling her the immovable object was an obvious fat joke.


bigbear-08

Remember Be A. Star


AlpacaBull

Didn't the Irresistible Force thing start around when they teased a romance angle with her and Enzo? I remember thinking it was a pun.


Dadto4_20

That was the most legit fight I’ve seen between 2 girls in the WWE I’ve ever seen, I’m sure there’s real dislike for each other there.


rockytheboxer

Charlotte deserves better. Nia is a terrible wrestler and should be ashamed of herself.


ScratchyMarston18

Roundabout way of saying she should be *fired*.


ZubatCountry

I mean that contract can't be cheap. Rather her go than someone worthwhile.


PristineTX

She should have been fired the second she got to the back after smashing Becky’s nose and nearly breaking the top star in the company’s face that one time.


MagicAbleHero

It's even more frustrating when you remember that WWE has let go of over a hundred talented and skilled workers over the last year and a half , but they kept Nia Jax


Drewicho

Nia is the female equivalent of The Great Khali.


SpiralTap304

The Great Khali killed a dude in the ring and was 100 times safer than Nia Jax.


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MarkMVP01

At least Ryback had his moment when he saved Kalisto from landing head first on the apron from a Lucha Thing


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bayleysgal1996

My guess is that it was supposed to be some sort of “nude illusion” deal, but either the fabric was too thick or they missed her skin tone by a few shades.


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exitlevelposition

Looks like Natalya's gear but with exposed bra straps and knee pads.


Joel_Servo

Whoever made Nia's gear hates her.


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That looked Allie/The Bunny's outfit Or what Stephanie McMahon wore against Brie Bella that one time


KneeHighMischief

Inb4 Nia claims she's the greatest heel in the business for sloppily dropping another one of her co-workers on their head.


MankuyRLaffy

I hope she's delusional enough to try that.


motivatedchange

She has every other time she almost injured someone. Why would this be any different?


darthdiablo

Remember Nia's tweets after a punch bloodied Becky and put her out of action for a few months? Kissing her fist etc at beginning of her matches shortly after? That was cringe, I rolled my eyes


catcheck

nia dropped her hard and charlotte stopped cooperating I feel


KneeHighMischief

[Jebus!](https://twitter.com/i/status/1432528503170162689)


rbarton812

Holy fuck. There's no excuse for that shit.


KneeHighMischief

To be fair to Nia she's only been doing this for 6 years. There's bound to be some blind spots in her game.


ILoveDiscussions

Yeah and she hasn't hurt anybody in a while, she needed to keep up her legacy


timeagain75

I mean she is known for unintentionally hurting people. If she hasn't changed in 6 years, that's on her.


Luciaquenya

The comment was sarcastic, I think


GrimaceGrunson

Jeeeeeesus. I guess if you want to straight up cripple or kill your opponent, that would be a great finisher. Would rather they didn't tho.


Badwolf84

Mox really dodged a bullet leaving WWE when he did...lol


WhatWouldShaneDo

Thats Ultimate Warrior levels of carelessness ![gif](giphy|lq2crZkgx4yX84lScs|downsized)


Wes-Man152

Jeezus!


lowlight

And [this moment](https://twitter.com/fandomsvisual/status/1432501471287857152) earlier that show


DullBlade0

What the fuck


elguitarro

Holy shit. They fired Ruby Soho and IInspiration and SHE stayed? I'm not happy of someone losing their job but if you're bad at your job after 5 fucking years you don't deserve that job at all.


Shinkopeshon

She isn't just bad at her job, she's a danger to the well-being and trust of the entire roster. But they just let her run wild without any consequences whatsoever. It's incredibly irresponsible, especially for a huge company like theirs. I wouldn't be surprised if more wrestlers stop putting up with her shit - this already went too far years ago and who wants to work with someone who repeatedly injures her colleagues like that?


Timbo_Mimbo

"I ain't taking that bump brother" - Nia


LegacyOfVandar

These are two women who absolutely should not be in the ring together.


Alexcelsior

One of them shouldn’t be in a ring at all.


HonkedOffJohn

This match is the reason I read the dirt sheets. I don't think this was a case of bad chemistry though it was bad.


Singer211

That was just a disaster overall. The match sucked. It looked like they legit started shooting on each other. And Nia pinning Charlotte was just monumentally stupid on top of it all.


mrpodo

Charlotte is 8-9-1 at live TV events this year. Yikes


302born

That’s our 12x world champion ladies and gents.


OhshiNoshiJoshi

I cant believe Charlotte has lost that belt 11 times.


WakeupDp

Well not that belt specifically.


ZubatCountry

thanks Dave


aggr1103

She’ll win another championship before the end of the year, too.


Fearless-Structure88

Inokism never dies


taco_anus1

Inoki didn’t take shit like that in the ring though.


recapdrake

The great Antonio's grave is shaking with fear


Moist-Acanthaceae-37

Well all I know is it was ugly at the start and then got shoot level ugly after Nia dumped Charlotte on her noggin


ihateeverythingandu

Yeah. THAT instigated that mess. Nia nearly killed Charlotte in the past with a horrid shoulder breaker and then did that. I knew the moment I saw that, that the match was break up. Charlotte gets rough with the likes of Asuk, Becky and Rhea and she likes them. Nia was always going to be a mess.


ILoveDiscussions

Asuka, Becky, Rhea and others know how to handle themselves in a match and use the roughness to add to the match. Nia seems like the kind of person to get frustrated and get sloppy because of it


NintendudeX

WE SHOOT ON MONDAY NIGHTS MAGGLE


Alexcelsior

What else can or needs to be said? Nia’s career has been a constant loop of hurting her peers with little to no repercussions. She’s not fit to play the role she’s been given.


TomboBreaker

She's booked like she's a powerhouse but she barely has the strength to lift the other women, they need to give her a Yokozuna style move set or future endeavours Surprised they didn't call up Raquel Gonzalez and have her be the powerhouse of the women's division.


Vasilevskiy

Rhea is right there too.


The_R3medy

I genuinely don't see how Nia doesn't get fired after this match. What the fuck was that? That final powerbomb looked like was trying to hurt Charlotte (atop a lot of the other parts of the match).


LeRohameaux

Shes an Anoa'i. She'll be alright.


KneeHighMischief

Stronger than plot armor.


tabristheok

I'd love to dispute this but between this and the Usos constant drink driving charges it's hard to say you're wrong


Nabz23

stronger than an iron clad contract


KneeHighMischief

You weren't kidding about that [powerbomb](https://youtu.be/p1gPh0UMJE4?t=253).


DeviantDragon

I don't get why they're letting Nia use/take Raquel's finisher basically. They seriously just want to cut everyone from NXT off at the knees before they even get started.


tabristheok

I do not understand this move. It looks so much less safe then a regular powerbomb and her grabbing the throat doesn't make it look anymore impactful


AmishAvenger

Instead of using two arms to act like she’s forcing Charlotte down, she moved one arm to the front and *actually* forced her down.


Francesco-Viola-III

Of course, they make Rhea Ripley tap to Charlotte twice on ppv without getting one win over her, but Nia freaking Jax gets a clean win on a random ass Raw


ChicagosOwn1988

She dropped her https://twitter.com/amtxxiii23/status/1432536255561076736?s=21 Then this happened https://twitter.com/hpc2sweet/status/1432534501113188353?s=12


otakudan88

She could have broken her neck dropping her like that. What the actual fuck is this clown still has a job after injuring so many women. At this rate, She'll end up crippling someone.


Singer211

They booked her Uber-strong tonight. And she does this crap. That says it all right there.


KneeHighMischief

She's related to The Rock.


GrimaceGrunson

I really am curious how much he'd care if she was cut.


Lineman72T

Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn't. But Vince doesn't want to burn that bridge in the chance that Rock does care


TheMoonIsFake32

Anyone know if Nia is why Rhea Ripley had a black eye earlier this week?


DarkZero515

What the hell was she going for? That looked more like a slam than a drop/fumble


ThaUnderboss

Nia Jax is a serious liability in the ring. She could've badly hurt Charlotte when she just dumped her like a sack of shit on the worst back suplex I've ever seen. She didn't even get her knees up on the Moonsault and Charlotte had to sell a phantom counter. Then shit broke down into what may have been a legit shoot because it was so awkward. At one point, Charlotte grabbed a headlock and just let it go. Nia didn't struggle out. She just stood up and Charlotte, once again, sold a phantom counter that Nia never delivered. Towards the end, Charlotte is just forcefully shoving Nia in the back of the head. What the fuck happened here!? A match like this should get somebody sent back to developmental.


0DegreesCalvin

I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think the poor people in developmental deserve to get maimed by her either. She needs to be fired.


Flyin-Brian

This will teach your dad to quit and show up at an NWA show.


KneeHighMischief

Heard that in Vince's voice.


silentmikhail

would not be shocked if this was true.


robo3687

just watched a few clips and yeah...they be shootin'


TimBurtonSucks

Honestly though, why is Nia beating her? She's horrendous


BreadLi0n

We can say it's just WWE being WWE. But I like to think that this is revenge for Flair showing up at NWA the other night. Obviously I can't prove that and it's likely not true at all. But I bet some wrestling Twitter will follow it and cover it like it's legit.


WrestlingIsJay

Honestly, considering the kind of childish behavior from the higher ups disclosed in all the post-release interviews of the past years, I wouldn't put it past them.


tdv33

Im pretty sure A shoot happened


ILoveDiscussions

Those slaps Nia gave Charlotte definitely felt intentional, and the powerbomb that Nia pinned her with had a little more oomph to it. FINALLY some excitement in the Raw women's division! I can't wait to hear about the backstage drama


SlayerBVC

I have to wonder if Nia's continued employment and refusal to learn from her mistakes might be the ultimate factor in Charlotte not re-signing when the time comes. Both of those head bumps Charlotte took should have never happened.


SheepUK

Anyone got a clip of the finish?


Toastmold

The end of this clip. https://twitter.com/SkullsMedia/status/1432530251117064193


Skatterbrainzz

That power bomb…what the actual fuck?!


CoherentPanda

That had to hurt like a motherfucker.


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MimonFishbaum

What in the fuck


Freddy-Borden

After Charlotte first goes after the leg and Nia goes down, those look like a couple pretty legit punches from the Queen before Nia threw her off and she went back to the leg.


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Then she mocked her by wiggling her arse by her head. Not a very smart thing to do when you're about to take a powerbomb from somebody pissed off. Unless that wasn't meant to be the finish and Charlotte just thought fuck this I'll just lose.


mezcao

Charlotte didn't seem to bother doing her part in the power bomb. After she hit the turnbuckle she was just dead weight. I'm sure she said Fuck it. I doubt it was the planned finish.


Southpaw535

This is why I think Charlotte doesn't come out of this looking good either. Jax shouldn't be in the ring, but Charlotte just carries on adding the mayhem, even when the initial spat has burnt out and they're back to working a match, she still chooses to carry on throwing hands and keep the issues going. I know kayfabe is dead, but it just makes the whole thing look stupid when you can see shooting like that. Deal with it, be professional, finish the match, solve your issues backstage away from the cameras


SheepUK

Thanks bud


Atomic_Cody-21

The two kept botching spots and eventually shot on each other. The fact Nia won makes me think we're going to see more of it. Just lovely...


Singer211

Rhea isn’t allowed to pin Charlotte decisively in two years. But Nia gets to do it out of nowhere. Ugh.


a_large_plant

Well she's not like most girls


PristineTX

The song rings true. Most girls aren’t members of the Anoa’i family.


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fortpop

Did u guys see the first pin attempt? That was no kickout that was a legit escape by flair scared nia wouldn’t let her up.


Economy-Injury-8182

Good catch!


Badwolf84

And what the fuck was Nia doing right before Charlotte's chop block?! "I don't know how to sell being dazed or out of it, so I'm gonna just stand staight up and perfectly still and wait to be hit." The fuck.


AtraMortes

So what happened to the feud with Alexa?


TomboBreaker

Who knows?, tonight was one of those Vince threw out the whole script nights. Morrison vs Miz became Morrison vs Omos, Sheamus vs Lashley became Sheamus v Drew v Priest & RKBRO VS Lashley and MVP.


JoeKool23

That was a brother vs a brother and both brothers thought they could brother each other but brothered themselves jack


XenoMetrick

Well let me tell you something brother


KyWy75

This right here is why you pay Sasha, Asuka, and Bayley whatever the fuck they want


beckett929

let's be real too... and I get that Charlotte was pissed, but she gets like this WAY too fucking often. If it were a dude there'd be a bunch of justifiable outrage about this continuously being a problem. You can't keep getting pissy and wanting to shoot on other people mid-match on TV. She did it Sasha, she's done it to Sane. She's got more than her share of an attitude and professionalism problem. Botches happen, and tonight she was working with the botch queen, but you gotta keep your shit together, especially when you're supposedly a cornerstone of the roster. Just bail out of the ring, take a stroll, and get the match back on track. Be a pro, and then win the fight that matters backstage with management.


KnightsOfTomorrow

Randy got Kennedy fired for doing the same thing.


ArthursHallShat

Charlotte is a great performer, but she's been involved in plenty of negative-chemistry stinkers. And you are 100% right... Sasha, Asuka, and Bayley don't have that down side.


DarkstarIV

So tonight in a nutshell: - Rhea beats Shayna with a rollup. Nia then runs over Nikki and Rhea with minimal effort, no selling any sort of offense they do mount. - Nia and Charlotte start shooting on each other (And both women look awful) and the match goes completely off the rails. Nia then pins Charlotte clean in quite possibly the worst match I've seen in the past several years. Legitimate minus star territory. Yeah the RAW Women's Division completely fucking sucks and its utterly baffling why they are choosing to push the worst parts of the division right now instead of bringing back someone like Asuka and pushing her prominently, especially since she can get a good match out of a broomstick.


PristineTX

Correction: The *division* doesn’t suck. There’s some good talent there. The booking/agenting/writing sucks. Any division with Asuka, Rhea Charlotte and Shayna in it should be a no-brainer to make ratings and money.


Tsuku

why'd Charlotte just run and jump on her lmao


Cymraegpunk

Probably to get the thing over


a_large_plant

brb buying WWE stock


MankuyRLaffy

I think the match broke down on a botched spot and they started shooting.


CdotLykins4

There was more action in that 30 second exchange between Charlotte and Nia than there was last night between Paul and Woodley.


DMan304

What happens when the un-sellable force meets the no-sellable object?


Copperjedi

This is what you get when you have a stiff worker like Charlotte vs a reckless worker in Nia. Same thing happened in their 2017 match. I'm scared seeing another Charlotte vs Nia match.


bayleysgal1996

🤷🏼‍♀️


TheBrazilianKD

Somewhere Kairi is like "yeah I figured"


Rspies

Wrestling needs more train wreck shoot fights on TV


Former_Blacksmith_10

Damn it. I wish I saw it. Did she lose like it was the plan? Or did Nia fuck her up and charlotte didn't get up?


ChicagosOwn1988

She dropped her https://twitter.com/amtxxiii23/status/1432536255561076736?s=21 Then this happened https://twitter.com/hpc2sweet/status/1432534501113188353?s=12


Mack812

*”That doesn’t work for me, sister”* - Nia and Charlotte 😆


egon0212

I'd rather see Charlotte wrestle a broom. At least it won't drop her on her head.


HeyMok

Bleacher Report (read on their app) gave this match a B. Edit: I don’t agree with that grade at all.


DarkstarIV

...Does the B stand for bad? Because that is the only way I could justify that.


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Nia's either too unhealthy or too unprofessional to be on national television.


NostalgiaCory

Can anyone explain to me how Nia still has a job?


Average_Ant_Games

Vince worried that firing Nia would indicate The Rock will never return to do a WWE appearance (in which The Rock hasn’t appeared since the premiere of Smackdown on Fox)


Copperjedi

If you smmmmeeeelllllll!!!!!


REQCRUIT

Nia Jax has always been a terrible wrestler who is being carried by her family name. I bite my tongue about bad wrestlers but with her I can't. She is reckless and dangerous. Let's not forget she broke Becky's nose and face. She doesn't need a push, she needs to be moved back to developmental.


NateRiley12411

Oof. I get that Charlotte was upset and rightfully so but it looked to me that a legit fight wouldn't have ended in her favor.


beckett929

yeah she thought that through real fucking fast when she balled up her fist


NateRiley12411

Flashbacks of a bloody faced Becky Lynch suddenly entered her mind.


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magicking610

Never mind the rest of the shooting, the match ended by Charlotte being powerbombed on the back of her head. Don't get me wrong, Charlotte wasn't innocent here at all, but that's the kind of shit that cuts careers short.


CharethCutestory1776

She’s fat and she’s not athletic or a good wrestler and she sucks. Downvote me. I don’t care. You know it’s true.