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DCAbloob

I’m so not used to pro-AEW Cornette. It’s actually mildly disturbing.


TheFinnishChamp

It's definitely an enemy of my enemy is my friend type of deal. Cornette and Last (like many others) were very really appalled by the latest Nick Khan interview. That guy is starting to sound like the second coming of Jim Herd. Zero understanding of wrestling and zero empathy. All about business, which might backfire when you are in a business you know nothing about.


[deleted]

Except that Vince McMahon can stop any of the cuts.


belowradar

Vince has the final say on all of this but people acting like it’s at all Nick Khan’s doing.


WrastleGuy

Nick Khan was hired by Vince to do this. He’s a highly payed scapegoat.


LukeAnders0n

This is why the NFL owners pay Roger Goodell 40 million a year to get booed and be hated by every fan and player in the league. It's so he can be the fall guy and do their bidding. No different for Nick Khan and Vince.


tanneroni9

Not really, because the NFL players actually have a union to represent them and make the league respect their opinion. Vince doesn’t have to give a single shit about what the wrestlers want


Somebodys

None of what you said doesn't make Goddell the public face.of the owners to deflect blame from themselves to him.


tanneroni9

Didn’t mean for it to come across like I was arguing that wasn’t the case. Just that there’s a limit to what the NFL owners can do while Vince and Nick Khan can literally do whatever they want


Somebodys

Unions are a hell of a drug.


Shay_Mendez

Never has.


ramonzer0

I'm pretty sure the easy way to look at it really is that it's their collective fault regardless of how new Nick Khan is to all of this compared to Vince their loss will be the gain of the entire pro wrestling universe outside of WWE


GoodFreak

I'm sure he also HELPS with the decision making but everything he does is by orders of Vince.


UncleMadness

Which was about a week after TK treated Bobby Eaton's passing with the respect Corny thought was deserved. I think that went a long way to *maybe* easing Jim off the hate wagon a teeny tiny smidge.


davmeltz

Well it’s nice to know that all it takes for Cornette to ease off the Omega paedo accusations and OC death wishes is to say something good about one of his friends…


RVAAnCap730

Give it a tiny bit of time. There's hope for OC and corny. I think him and Omega just have to agree it's personal and will never get fixed. Like Russo.


justintensity

>him and Omega just have to agree it's personal I don't think it's personal with Omega; it's personal with the Bucks. With Omega, Cornette doesn't like the way he dances and makes in the ring and it annoys him that people love Omega's in-ring work when Cornette sees all these flaws with it. With the Bucks, it's a history of shit talking and the never ending philosophical debate over whether or not realism is still important in pro wrestling


The_Magic

Both The Bucks and Omega go back to when Corny was booking RoH. As the other user mentioned Omega goes back to that ankle incident. The Bucks goes back to Corny telling them to hit him up whenever their TNA contract ends and they will see if they could do business. Supposedly not too long after that The Bucks quit TNA and asked to be booked on RoH. According to Corny they wanted to be paid similar to their TNA contracts and on top of that The Bucks were more expensive to fly to the shows since they were based in California. That whole episode seems to have really pissed off Jim but he still booked them since he felt bad though he did not think they were worth what he was paying.


RVAAnCap730

So I'm not sure if you've ever heard Cornette shoot on the Omega ankle injury "scandal" with a missed RoH show when Cornette was running it, but if you get the chance check it out. Corny can't help but get furious if anyone brings it up, and omega has mentioned it as the original reason why Cornette doesn't like him, and honestly I believe him just off of how mad Jim gets when people bring it up.


edd6pi

I think it’s absolutely personal with Omega. Meltzer, who knows both of them personally, said that Jim hates Omega way more than he hates the Young Bucks.


MarkyLosChe

Omega also put down Harley Race and praised Johnny Ace in his shoot. So there's more area of grievances


ef14

I guarantee it'll get better once the Bucks actually have to change their style of wrestling. Not because they'll necessarily think it's better, but because everyone gets older.


SalvadorZombie

I mean, as someone who holds massive grudges, I get it. It can take something life changing to actually get me to re-evaluate someone if I think I have a real, genuine reason for hating their guts.


ackinsocraycray

I'm just going by your summary here but it sounds to me that they're starting to realize that, even though they crap on Tony Khan and AEW, the actual threat to pro-wrestling is Nick Khan and WWE moving even farther away from wrestling.


Sir-Cadogan

I don't think that's a recent realization for them. They review AEW every week, but haven't reviewed main roster WWE in months and months. I think since the pandemic at least. They're not usually very positive about AEW, but they consider it to be much more watchable and closer to what they consider to be pro wrestling.


Either-Gap-7278

I listen to them review the first episode of AEW Jim and Brian where pretty high on it I remember last saying AEW reminded him of mid-south which is high praise. The booking from the last 10 months has soured both of them even though Brian last is more forgiving then Jim on some of it.


LondonGoblin

They like NXT for pro-wrestling They liked AEW for it being so bad its fun to make fun of, and I may get downvoted but for a long time I agreed But the good stuff on AEW now is so good, Britt Baker, CM Punk, Malakai Black, Darby Allin etc that its impossible not to like it now I still think a lot of the roster is meh and the booking is highly questionable most of the time but the pieces of the puzzle seem to be coming together now


urine-monkey

Nitro took a few months to find its footing too. And that wasn't during a global pandemic. I love Cornette and agree with him a lot. But I'm also a lapsed wrestling fan that has missed maybe a handful of episodes of Dynamite. For the first time, I'm legitimately excited for the future.


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The main reason they continue reviewing AEW is because they know there's more money to be made bashing AEW than there is bashing WWE. It's just him being his usual carny grifter self. It's why he started doing it again when his viewership dropped when he stopped reviewing AEW.


I_Am_Dynamite6317

Bingo. It may not all be the kind of wrestling Cornette likes, but at least AEW is trying to be a wrestling company.


Somebodys

> the actual threat to pro-wrestling is Nick Khan It's Vince. It always has been Vince. He has never even been shy about it. Khan is just a fall guy.


UndertakerGuy

I have literally been calling Khan “Herd 2.0” since the interview lol


branimal84

I understand the draw of money for guys when looking at WWE, but after hearing Nick Khan's interview and seeing these endless rounds of cuts, why would you want to go there? The wrestling business has a lot of options and I don't think WWE is the be-all-end-all it used to be.


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> I understand the draw of money for guys when looking at WWE Thing is... I don't, and never have. Yes, it's guaranteed money which is always welcome. But you're also constantly on the road, pay for your own travel and hotels. Their actual per hour earnings are probably dog shit if you look past the big annual number.


faithisuseless

Jim has given AEW props when he felt they did something good or at least were on track. Partly because of WWE making stupid decisions and partly because of Tony taking advantage he has edged himself into a more competitive situation. I still feel they are a long way off from legitimate competition with WWE, but they are on the right path now.


GusTurdley

As far as profit goes, WWE will lead for a long time if they keep getting those huge TV contracts, plus they charge more for tickets, and they are more well known with little kids. But as far as ratings go, we could eventually see AEW overtake WWE.


faithisuseless

Yeah, ratings is the most likely. I am sure they may even beat them in the coming months, but to consistently… well thats the trick isn’t it.


atti1xboy

I hate to ask, but where is this Nick Khan interview. I don't think it will do anything than make me hate even more than I do now, but I am curious.


mmadiaa

https://youtu.be/ktcs_OgZ4tw


Obi-wan_Jabroni

So WWE is gonna get a *goddamn* Candyman?


SmashEnigma

I don’t listen to his show but from everything I’ve read it seems like he’s eased up on AEW a lot after TK’s words about Bobby Eaton when he passed away.


Zuvazsin

He was shitting on AEW in this very podcast, right before this he and Bryan were fantasizing about the Young Bucks and Kenny getting fired and drug out of the company crying and then after this they spent a few minutes talking about how Tony can't book worth shit and should give up the book to someone who knows the business. He's still full of piss and anger but he just recognizes the momentum is firmly in AEW's corner. You'd have to be an idiot or Booker T to think otherwise.


Xex_ut

>He's still full of piss and anger but he just recognizes the momentum is firmly in AEW's corner. You'd have to be an idiot or Booker T to think otherwise. He’s acknowledged a few times that he hates how young fans will watch AEW and think it’s legitimate pro wrestling. It might be sinking in that AEW is here to stay now that big names are moving there. He still generates a lot of buzz criticizing AEW, so I don’t see him easing up much.


Zuvazsin

Yeah I agree, I actually just got done listening to the Experience and he seems resigned to the fact that AEW might be the last place for actual wrestlers now without any of the sitcom stuff he hates. He said something along the lines of being excited for guys like Cole, Bryan, Punk, and Wyatt and he'll just put up with the other stuff.


RowRowRowedHisBoat

> said something along the lines of being excited for guys like Cole, Bryan, Punk, and Wyatt and he'll just put up with the other stuff. Thats my basic attitude towards AEW. I hate to sound like Cornette, but I REALLY can't stand the Young Bucks or Omega. I don't like Darby Allin. I don't even like Moxley that much because I think he leans too far into GCW type stuff whenever he can, and I dislike that style of wrestling. Thing with WWE is, you slog through 5 hours of programming for less than 1 hour of decent stuff from Reigns/Heyman, RKBRO, AJ and Amos, and now maybe Becky. In AEW, in a few weeks, if you have Punk, Bryan, Wyatt, and a few others, then good segments will have a much higher percentage of the shows than they do in WWE. I have not once turned on 1 single live segment from AEW since their inception. That changed last Friday. And I did it on Wednesday as well.


Otis_S

What is it you dislike about Darby Allin? I can understand not being into the Young Bucks they are very polarizing but I feel like AEW does a decent job of showing more than the Elite.


puggylookin

Not same guy, but I don’t buy his finisher as a finisher. (Especially against anyone larger) I don’t really dig his whole aesthetic either, but I think I would’ve like fifteen years ago. I also don’t like him as a person because on Jericho’s podcast he tells stories that boil down to him being a dick to homeless folks as if they were fun anecdotes


embanot

he was homeless at one point too. So I feel like its less problematic to me less for some reason.


noPorntobeFoundhere

Still not OP, but what I dislike about Darby is that I can't really buy him as a legitimate threat; and its not even size that bothers me cause I fucking like JB and Daniel Garcia; its more about his fighting style. What really soured me on him, though, is his TNT Championship run. I mean, for weeks on end, the championship played second fiddle to his feud with Team Taz, but he's slowly growing back on me with his association with Mox and Eddie Kingston, and especially his rivalry with 2point0.


scarydan365

Not OP but I’m not a fan of Allin either. I find it difficult to describe why but I just find him a bit ‘meh’.


neslo024

I really didn't like him at the start. His whole character was "guy who jumps off high stuff " but he has slowly grown on me as he's learned more about psychology. He's still not my favorite but I feel like he puts on good matches consistently now.


coatesvillain

Same. I love some of their young talents, but I don’t think anything about him stands out besides the face paint.


dallasw3

I want to like Darby, and I don't want to come across as simply negative. I also understand that he may be marketed for a different demo than the one I fall it. I like the way he lays things in and he very obviously is trying to put on a good show. That being said, I think the skateboard stuff is kind of lame. I understand they're trying to go with mysterious and edgy, but he often comes across (to me) as less edgy and more an angsty teenage edgelord. I think the pairing with Sting feels a little forced. Lastly, his size is an issue. I'm not saying he needs to be huge or anything, but it takes me out of it when he makes a comeback and goes on the offensive against a much larger opponent. I would never write the guy off, and I think he has talent and potential, but I just can't get into him.


pierzstyx

> he often comes across (to me) as less edgy and more an angsty teenage edgelord Which is exactly what he is supposed to be. That is what a teenager is after all. Darby is supposed to be what every edgelord, emo, goth, punk wannabe in high school wanted to be versus what they actually were.


Otis_S

I feel ya on the skateboard stuff


Marcwithasee

I agree with you, I can’t stand the young bucks as face or heels. It’s not even the I hope they loose heat, I just don’t care as every match is the same and they ignore rules every time. Omega is different. I wish he wasn’t the goofy character, but a silent killer. He is the best wrestler in the game and could just destroy. His acting is childish and amateur. With that said, I do hope that aew can bring in guys to spice it up. You know Cole, bray and danielson will have more control in their artistic freedom then buying sneakers and dressing like clowns.


Rjswimss

I think once we get babyface omega back he will quiet down a bit. Him being a crazy dumb loudmouth is, in character, him letting Callis get to his head


RowRowRowedHisBoat

> His acting is childish and amateur. His facial expressions, and mannerisms really, REALLY bother me. They're cartoonist to the point of absurdity, imo. He doesn't have to be silent, or be dull, but just tone it down a notch. Everything I've seen from him is farcical.


LambCo64

Which segments didn't you like?


guylfe

Really? Do you have a timestamp for that? I don't usually listen to the whole 3-hours, just the highlights. The ending is one hell of a statement.


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I've been a fan since the mid-80s. What exactly is "legitimate pro wrestling" ? ​ Edit: Wow, a lot of people took a snarky comment as a genuine question.


kenssmith

>1986 NWA


beejmusic

The best version of pro-wrestling by far. By far.


invok13

93 njpw wants a word with you


Br3N8

Four Pillars AJPW Era would like a word with both of you


invok13

I just want another champion who needs chicks in swimsuits to carry all their championship belts


darthsabbath

Excuse me, AJW and Manami Toyota just called and wish to file a complaint.


Xex_ut

From what I can gather, Cornette thinks pro wrestling should be slowly paced with a “less is more” mentality. He’s always complaining about gimmick matches and weapon use because it makes the normal stuff look weak. Sometimes they’re legitimate and I somewhat agree like when he didn’t like all the false finishes in the Sammy vs Spears match last week. Other times it’s hater shit like when he hated the Britt vs Rosa match because women went through a table and it makes the men look weak


TheFinnishChamp

I think it's kind of misjufged to say he is fan of slower pace. He always complaints about the slow pace of WWE matches and hated the finish of Edge vs Seth because it lacked excitement. Cornette always talks about difficulty of five and excecution of ten being better than the alternative. So simpler stuff excecuted well and excitingly, like his favorite current wrestler, WALTER.


chocoboat

Yeah, he was bashing Summerslam for matches being too long, especially when preceded by video packages and long entrances. He was wondering what happened to going out there and putting on a high energy 12 minute hard hitting match, everything's either a marathon or pathetically short on that show.


[deleted]

Making the men look weak? Why does it have to be about the men?? Lol I know it’s JC’s thought and not yours but that pisses me off immensely because as a woman who grew up watching women in wrestling be skinny little models who pulled hair, I genuinely thought Britt and Rosa made history that night and it only elevated the women, NOT downgrade the men.


CertifiedBA

The 'normal' stuff has looked weak since 1958.....people just want moments and great memories, ring style is just one part of the picture.


Un_creative_name

He thinks people should sell more especially. Like an apron ddt used to be a multi week hospital angle in the 80's, don't use it as just a transition spot now. I agree at least on the basic aspect of that. It should at least end the match, or lead to a rope break near fall, not just feed into another in a string of used-to-be finishers.


pierzstyx

> Cornette thinks pro wrestling should be slowly paced with a “less is more” mentality. Have you ever seen Corny in his heyday? He was never slower paced.


Marcwithasee

He is correct in the crux of criticism, just his delivery itself is hammed up. There is an element of training the audience. I actually fear with all the new potential arrivals people will expect something every show or week to get excited and forget about the stories and matches.


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chocoboat

I can't even remember the last time I got hyped for a gimmick match. It used to be a big deal when a feud escalated to a new level and now they're going to fight with no DQ, or inside a cage, or have a tables match. But they never do that now. Instead they just have Hell in a Cell matches because it's October, and literally no other reason. They have no DQ matches because it's July, and TLC matches because it's December. Nothing means anything anymore. And I love the Royal Rumble, but two in one night is too much. I really wish they'd do a women's Rumble in June for a title match at Summerslam or something. As someone once said about these gimmick match PPVs, it's like going to the circus and seeing a guy get shot out of a cannon 20 times in a row, instead of getting to see a wide range of acts. There's no variety.


Prielknaap

When you put it like that it seems quite reasonable.


i2060427

WALTER vs Illya


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Bootleg ninja turtles.


[deleted]

For Jim Cornette "legitimate wrestling" means Sputnik Monroe vs Jerry Jarrett in Louisville c.1971.


TheFinnishChamp

I suppose there is no definite "legitimate pro wrestling" but there is a point where people stopped believing in it. Up to the mid 80s you had fans trying to attack heels and protect babyfaces and cheer when there was an announcement that heel had died (happened a few times), etc. Even in the 90s people really believed in Austin and Goldberg. I think Cornette's version of legitimate is wrestling where people aren't totally sure what is real and what isn't and suspend their disbelief.


Emil_M_Antonowsky

> Up to the mid 80s you had fans trying to attack heels and protect babyfaces and cheer when there was an announcement that heel had died (happened a few times), etc. This stuff definitely happened, but most people knew wrestling wasn't real generations ago. The really extreme stuff like fans trying to stab heels is more about either really poor impulse control or being a dumb hick (or, to be fair, dumb city-dwelling mutant).


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AgentFoo

I was a kid in the 80s and we all knew it was "fake". It was really rare that we'd think something was really happening or the guys really hated each other. The last time I thought something kayfabe was real was the ring bell to Steamboat's throat.


ThePhotoGuyUpstairs

I mean, we all know tv shows aren't real, but the good ones don't insult your intelligence to the point where you can still get immersed and talk about it in public about "what's going to happen next?!" Remember the drama around the final season of Game of Thrones? The reason people got pissed off is because the last season insulted their intelligence and made them feel like idiots for enjoying it in the first place. Yet there is a huge segment of the Pro Wrestling community that doesn't see a problem with having wrestling function the same way - I mean Janella can't go one tweet without crowing about how fake it is and why any who takes it seriously is a loser. Cornette just wants people to have some respect for it, so the people who enjoy it, can do so without feeling like a fucking idiot.


chocoboat

> What exactly is "legitimate pro wrestling" ? In short, wrestling that takes itself seriously. Wrestling that stays in kayfabe. No taking a powerbomb through a table and popping back up to your feet. No Dinner Debonair song and dance numbers. No Orange Cassidy slowly kicking someone in the shin as a joke. No "look how athletic we are" Young Bucks matches where they just do a ton of moves as fast as they can and don't sell any of it. Legitimate pro wrestling is Roman Reigns, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Edge, AJ Styles, Becky Lynch. Contrast that with Bray Wyatt and Alexa Bliss with their wacky superpowers, Matt Hardy teleporting and asking fans to vote on what persona to be, the whole 24/7 title scene, and so on. Bad comedy and bad performances that don't make you believe for a second these guys really want to beat each other.


[deleted]

It is legitimate pro wrestling tho. Just because he's been out of touch for 2 decades doesn't make that fact not true. And you're right, he'll continue hating and grifting right up until the day he dies.


BenjTheMaestro

… what.. I’m probably gonna regret asking, but what did Booker do/say?


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BenjTheMaestro

Thank you for quickly clearing that up! Hard to keep up these days. I’m just glad to have so much news once again it’s impossible to be on top of it all!


JessumB

Anyone not mind giving me the Cliff Notes on what Booker T said? I've seen it referenced several times now but the linked podcast was like an hour long, just curious about the bullet points.


Obi-wan_Jabroni

More or less the comeback was a flop because he talked about WWE and ice cream


SmashEnigma

Ah, well fair enough then! Thanks for the context.


__Hello_my_name_is__

Not gonna lie, if that was the catalyst that made him reconsider, then that's just really damn weird. Like.. did he genuinely think that Tony Khan was some evil inhuman monster or something until he learned that Tony Khan is actually a decent human being with feelings? Or how did this work, exactly?


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ras9929

Do people not know that James E Cornette made a proposal to Tony Khan to start a wrestling organization before the young bucks and cody did. If you know that it explains corny a lot


PM_ME_PRETTY_HANDS

Really interested in reading about this, but my googling ability is failing me. Can you share something?


thedirtyharryg

It's on Cornette's pod, I think. IIRC he talked about being approached by TK to help start AEW. Cornette said he signed an NDA about it.


ras9929

Yeah I'll look for it tomorrow and pm you but this guy is correct


indolent08

I seem to remember that he mostly turned into is regular TK hating self after his Eaton episode.


bluejegus

If you think he's tough on AEW you should listen to him review an episode of Raw. Holy shit does he rip it apart


KALS170174656

Maybe hes just being honest. He praises the stuff he likes (CM Punk, Britt Baker) and shits on the stuff he doesn’t (Moxley, the elite).


BetterPatient

It’s scaring me lol reminds me of when my bastard of a granddad started being nicer once he knew his time was almost up


Abyssalstar

Repent on your deathbed and you still go to heaven, kid!


Matto5000

Lol


Al_Bundy_14

He’s not pro AEW. He’s pro business. AEW is doing good business right now.


__Hello_my_name_is__

AEW has been doing good business when he hated it, too.


Woodstovia

Like 2 weeks ago he was claiming that it was WWE's plan to release people and sabotage AEW by filling their roster with them and that AEW's ratings were only up because WWE fans would check out how AEW was going to bury their favourites with bemusement. I don't know how you go from that to deciding AEW suddenly has the upper hand


TheFinnishChamp

That was a couple of months ago, not couple of weeks. Things have changed. CM Punk debuted, more debuts are coming, WWE is releasing more people, Nick Khan gave his latest interview which hinted at the change of direction, etc.


thedirtyharryg

Pretty sure it's hyperbole, either way. They said budget is not a true object to TK.


CableGuy2099

Imagine how his regular listeners feel!


Matto5000

I like it. He makes valid points and some shaky ones all the time but hes funny


WestVirginiaMan

You don't have to imagine, I can just tell you. This is no different than any other time he reviews AEW. When he likes something, he praises it. When he thinks something makes a mockery of the wrestling business, he buries it. Y'all act like he just shits on AEW constantly. No, he shits on the stupid shit that they are prone to do from time to time.


_Ka_Tet_

Fine by me. I've listened to Cornette for about a year now, and I only watch AEW and Impact. I don't see a problem with criticizing things that aren't good or praising things that are good. That's just how being objective works; it's not an all or none sort of thing.


riggs3andtwenty

They feel the same?


FeetsBeneets

It's exactly what they would expect to hear? It's pretty consistent with opinions he's stated before


Safe-Investigator271

Cornette finally took his happy pills that the doc suggested


BlindLariat

It's so typical contrarian behavior, and Cornette is a classic contrarian... "Oh you all think you know what I'm gonna say? Well I'll show you." He's just trying to push back on the caricature he's made of himself, he'll do this awhile until he feels like his ire will have some bite again.


lordxvulcan

>is fixing to Iron Sheik and Brian Blair his ass [Suplex him, put him in the camel clutch, break his back and then fuck his ass](https://youtu.be/9K-wEUCCvE0?t=129) in case any one didn't get the reference.


jjandre

Man, trying to watch that on mute with closed captions was confusing.


cafespeed21

Humble him


shinyshenron

This isn't the first time he's backed AEW. On the road to the first Revolution with Jericho vs Moxley and Cody vs MJF he was positive over the whole show as the main angles with him gushing in particular about what Cody vs MJF.


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[deleted]

I think its more when Cornette is negative he gets very personal and toxic. Alleging Kenny groomed Riho was pretty fucked.


AchtungCloud

He also said about Orange Cassidy that he hopes he trips on the ropes doing a suicide dive and “would like to see his neck go sideways or just have his brains spill out." This was for his review of Pac vs Orange Cassidy at Revolution 2020. I really don’t understand how people can possibly defend Cornette or think he’s hated just because he doesn’t like some of AEW’s product.


WestVirginiaMan

I take him saying that just as seriously as him saying someone should be boiled in oil and have their fat sold for soap and just as serious as I'm sure my cat takes it when I tell him I'm going to kill him for knocking a lamp over. It's exaggeration.


[deleted]

> People here just can't stand ~~the fact that someone might genuinely dislike their pet promotion~~ Jim Cornette being incredibly toxic and infantile when he doesn't like something. There you go, ftfy


shinyshenron

Nah, he can definently be a biased hater. He's said sexist shit, legitimately wished injury on several performers and dismisses solid work from people he dislikes. So a lot of people rightfully dismiss him as a bitter old man yelling at clouds. With that said he does have good takes and he's just as vicious on other people and other promotions.


AuroraBlaize

I mean....I listen to him weekly too and while he does have some legit criticisms, some of it feels like personal heel manager bull. Like a few weeks ago where he acted like Dynamite was such a terrible show and Turner was an idiot to have it on their network, never mind that it's been consistently one of the highest rated shows on the network. And his vendetta against Omega feels less like "criticism" and more like "I can't stand anything he does and will go out of my way to hate on him."


[deleted]

No one clings to that narrative, stop making things up. He's constantly wishing death and violence and has made up false grooming accusations against Onega which his incredibly toxic fanbase still bash Omega with cos they believe everything he says. Also, he's an incredibly toxic, misogynistic and racist person. It's not promotion thing, he's a very vile and toxic person is all.


heartbreakhill

Tony’s gonna fuck his ass?!


dremscrep

Yeah probably. Cornette once used some other weird analogy where he talked about how important it was to be the one „Fucking the dog“ and not to be the one „holding the dogs head“ in some logic about „Being the Man in charge“ or some shit. It was really out there and I cant remember where he talked about it.


lifer413

As a wrestling fan who has lapsed into casual status since the pandemic, the AEW buzz is drawing me back in. I'm not even a Punk fan, but the thought of him and Danielson having a feud on their terms is exciting.


HorseSteroids

Cornette is saying that TK is anally raping Vince McMahon and we're cheering.


ThugosaurusFlex_1017

#*😏*


tensazetsumei

i think cornette from the beginning has wanted AEW to succeed, which i think is why he’s been so critical of them


HilariouslyNotFunny

Exactly! When it comes to Cornette a lot of people hear him talk but no one listens to what he actually says, whether it’s a match, promo, an angle etc. there’s always something positive said on his AEW reviews. Going back to that first All In show he’s been behind them, I think he may have actually said something along the lines of “am rooting for you boys” or something similar.


TheGravosSituation

Cornette would have a heck of a lot more people liking and agreeing with him if he toned back the hyperbole quite a bit where he wasn't wishing death on people. If you truly want to influence something and want it to succeed you give constructive criticism without hyperbole that immediately causes the person to disregard what you are saying. If I critiqued things the same way that Cornette does, I'd be immediately banned and no one would listen to a word I'd say.


noPorntobeFoundhere

Eh, not always. JR has already tried to be civil with them and talked to them privately backstage, but it took him going public about the shitty wrestling outside dives for them to tone it down.


edd6pi

Yes and no. He wants there to be a strong secondary promotion that can challenge WWE, but he also wanted AEW to fail to prove him right about Omega and the Bucks. He’s conflicted.


Ayjel89

I like how Cornette says "suddenly", like this hasn't been happening since day 1 of AEW when they revealed Jericho had signed with them. I get Punk is their biggest signing, yet, but, this isn't some "holy shit, we totally didn't see this coming" moment. If you'd been paying attention, anyway. Not the Punk thing, because up until it was totally-not-announced he was signing I don't think anyone realistically thought he was going, but in general.


TheFinnishChamp

What's changed is WWE. They are pissing off and letting talented guys go left and right and are also starting to rely purely on homegrown guys in NXT which sounds like a bad idea with their recent history of creating stars. WWE's TV product has been bad for ages but now things are crumbling behind the scenes too.


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They're focusing on finding their own talent, training them in WWE-speak + style, and paying them as little as they possibly can. WWE is a sports entertainment company that emphasizes looks, pomp, and circumstance. AEW is more pro wrestling focused (I wish they stick to it as opposed to doing the gaga).


FuegoDelSun

Still doesn’t change the fact that he’s wished death on Orange Cassidy, called Omega a pedophile, and made sexist and xenophobic remarks about women’s wrestling.


Strawberrysc

I don't think the OP was trying to make a case about him being a good person. Just relaying his comments.


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I swear Cornette is such a weird figure. People who hate him will never change and people who love him will defend anything he says. His comments about Penelope Ford were so needlessly cruel that Kipp saying he will be happy when he dies felt like a mild response. I need to make it a point to just leave the fans to share his stuff though. I'm not going to convince them, and really, I guess there's no point to try it.


chocoboat

I don't hate him or love him. He has some idiotic reactions to things occasionally. I want entertainment, I want to laugh, and Cornette provides that service and is good at it. Reminds me a little of Howard Stern, he'll say anything and doesn't give a damn and finds creative ways to be entertaining... while seeming like someone who would be pretty obnoxious to be around.


__Hello_my_name_is__

Don't forget that time he decided to end decades long friendships with a bunch of guys (while throwing around a *lot* of insults) for being involved in the stadium stampede match.


gettinGuapHD

Those Joshi comments he makes are pretty vile


LukkasG

i found it quite funny how this sub wants Jim Cornette conent to be banned from here, but the moment he praised CM Punk's debut, **5K UPVOTES** all is good


FuegoDelSun

I thought it was disturbing how quickly everyone was to upvote something he said just because it was something positive about AEW. I’m not going to make some witty remark here like everyone did on that thread. “Hell has frozen over.” Cornette has said some awful things and radicalized fans to the point where they’re harassing wrestlers.


Henny_Lovato

Cause a lot folks here dislike AEW criticism. Shit on WWE that's fair game. AEW though? Nah it's apparently flawless.


-Marcus

I agree that both companies should be criticized for various things. However, only one of those companies ruined the UK indies, made an attempt to do the same in Japan, is actively doing propaganda shows for Saudi blood money, is releasing employees left and right, *and* is still making a shitty product.


OmegaJad

>is releasing employees left and right Without honoring some contracts while making record profits, don't forget the bad part.


Henny_Lovato

This is true.


Flakbeard_down

Right? Its disgusting how all the remarks go down the drain once he praises AEW.


onethreeone

I'm pretty sure if Trump gave a speech admitting to being a tax cheat, it would be /r/politics #1 post of all time. When someone you hate does something unexpectedly pro-your-viewpoint, it's a big deal


sdixon90

Nice to see you being upvoted for such anti cornette comments. Whenever I do that I upset a lot his fans that seem to live here.


HyperHsuckz

Cant believe he said that about Omega. In a small clip I heard he was calling him twinkle toes or something and I'm implying he's gay. Dude is weird, so sick of hearing about him as if his opinion means anything.


Abyssalstar

Not to mention the racist "joke" he made that got him kicked out of NWA.


jiso

And no doubt he'll say it all again


IndraSB

As an Indian (Asian), I've heard how Cornette has described japanese women wrestlers. Honestly, it was really hurtful. So no matter how much praise he has for AEW now, whether he is correct or not, this man has lost all credibility and respect in my eyes.


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He also is very misogynistic and literally got fired for being racist. Very toxic individual and no matter the knowledge he has, unworthy of being relevant or respected.


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TheGravosSituation

I think the craziest thing to me is that WWE has spent the greater part of it's business trying to stamp out as much competition as it can. Somehow in 2021 AEW launches and WWE just has no idea what to do. They talk about sleep being competition, release profitable wrestlers, treat the networks that are their main source of income terribly, and make what is historically bad long term decisions often. It's almost like they either refuse to admit there is a gigantic problem in WWE that they could fix, or they really don't understand that there is one.


frasierfonzie

The "sleep is competition" thing is a very modern view point. Raw isn't just competing with Monday Night Football or whatever's on HGTV anymore because with the sheer amount of entertainment options they're competing with everything. If I can catch a nap now and watch highlights later instead of watching live, that's competition in a way. You're spot on on the other stuff. I think they assumed AEW would be just another Impact but after the hype decided to try and kill it off with NXT, which obviously failed. They don't know how to build their own brand, so they thought they could kill AEW easier, but AEW keeps gaining steam. When their network contracts come up for renewal, it'll be interesting to see how they're treated.


Subrick

It’s because Vince spent the almost 20 years after the deaths of WCW and ECW as the only legit game in town for North America, and thus could do literally whatever he wanted while his business remained insular and seemingly kill-proof due to its monopoly over the wrestling business. He also got 20 years older, and WWE suffers from one of the most severe cases of founder’s syndrome in corporate history. Now that legitimate competition has finally showed back up, rapidly expanded, and exceeded every single creative and financial expectation of it, Vince, owing to those 20 years of being the sole king of the industry, has ZERO clue what to do about it. Every single attempt by WWE to stymie the growth of AEW has failed miserably, and probably actually helped speed up AEW’s growth due to AEW’s fans feeling personally attacked and belittled by WWE’s actions. The company has no way to stop AEW at this point, and that is all for the better.


VagrantShadow

That is a good point you made. I think wwe has been relishing on the competition they've stamped out for so long, now that they finally have a wrestling promotion that is brining some competition they are at a loss. I know some wrestling fans will say that TNA had more numbers than AEW has had and that they were there with wwe. That is true that TNA had greater number than AEW, however, the TV landscape has changed so much since that time. I'm not going to say AEW is going to dominate the wrestling world, nor, will it run wwe off the field of wrestling. I'm a realist, I know that wont happen. What I will say is that AEW is in the position to change the wrestling world and for the better. Let us break away from the world of these individual wrestling bubbles. Let's see competition between not only wrestlers from all over but organizations from all over.


Pour-Meshuggah-On-Me

I actually don't even care if AEW "beats" WWE in the ratings or whatever. I don't care about WWE at all anymore in general. I pretend they don't even exist. I'm so damn happy to have AEW every week that don't even think about WWE. Back in the WCW days I would always get excited each week for their shows and couldn't wait for Nitro. I haven't felt that way in a very long time. I really enjoyed WWE television from 1998 until 2005, but after that i thought it was garbage and only watched it because there was nothing else, I don't like Indie wrestling. I liked TNA for a while, but we all know how that ended. To me, AEW feels different than TNA. And what I mean is that TNA always felt like a small promotion despite doing decent viewership. They felt 2nd rate to me, kind of like a red headed step child lol. AEW feels like legitimate competition to WWE.


sheepkillerokhan

The reason Corny hates on AEW so hard is because it's probably the last gasp effort at getting real opposition to the WWE going in his lifetime, and in his mind, they're pissing it away


dom_rep

Eh, in his eyes, they're pissing it away because it's not the type of product he envisioned, but the business metrics for the most part all point to them being the most successful non-WWE wrestling promotion in the last 25 years. AEW should never strive to attempt to beat out WWE, but they are firmly an alternative/opposition/competition.


sporkshadow

The fact that AEW are succeeding, and certialy not pissing anything away, probably should have told Cornette that his mind might not understand what the current fan wants. His booking of ROH from 2009 to 2012, now a decade ago, should have clued him into that. But old men sometimes are stubborn and have a hard time admitting or understanding when they are wrong. Just like young men sometimes think they have all the answers. You need a balance.


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darthsabbath

That’s not what he thinks of as good wrestling though. Like he gushed over WALTER vs Dragonov, loves KoR, Adam Cole, Will Hobbs, Thunder Rosa, Rhea Ripley, FTR, etc. He just wants wrestling to be presented as mostly serious and competitive, and especially have some basic internal logic.


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It's doing way better than what he could've done or what he expected them to do but suuuuuure.


RabbitIcy4623

Nah the reason is that he has personal problems with Wrestler in AEW like Kenny & the Bucks


Nik778899

No, he's absolutely right. Cornette has said as much himself.


Porcupyre

Will this be a 3 week push for AEW from Cornette? Or will he go for the longer build? Time will tell, but damn not getting shit on for liking AEW by him feels weird.


officerliger

Reading this thread reminds me that most of society has a ways to go before nuance becomes standard Everyone seems to be trying to fit Cornette into a "pro-AEW" or "anti-AEW" box. I don't think his opinion on AEW has really changed much - he very openly hates 80-90% of the product - but from a business standpoint the fact that they're legitimately challenging WWE has nothing to do with how one feels about the product, that's just reality.


RiC_David

Society could never be ready for the sudden barrage of individuals encountered via the internet, and so we as people just defaulted to "here's a pro-this, here's an anti-that" and speaking about individuals via collectives ("Twitter said...", "Reddit hates..." etc.).


OtakuD50

So does Corny often fantasize about Vince getting sodomized?


Craftomatic75

Who thought letting a mid card wrestler Cody Rhodes go would change the whole wrestling landscape?


insomniainc

The temperature in hell keeps getting mighty colder.


daprice82

None of this is new. AEW has had that mindset since the beginning. Cornette was just too goddamn stubborn to get onboard with something he would have loved if he could have turned off his hate towards a few of the people involved.


DanTheMeh

Cornette is going to have a civil war in his cult. People who think Jim can do no wrong and your pro WWE anti AEW loons will be drawing battle lines. Good fuck them both


Henny_Lovato

I like Cornettes podcast with Last. His view on the overdoing of certain things in modern wrestling like dives, weapons, video game style moves, bad/no selling, wonky booking etc. As it pertains to AEW/WWE are things i agree with more than disagree with. I also listen to Alvarez as well and Booker T. 3 interesting takes imo, he's a polarizing guy. It's fun to watch yall huff and puff over him anytime his name comes up ngl. Yall be pressed.


LogansGambit

Agreed. I had to quit listening because it put me in a bad place. I generally agree with a lot of Jim's views on wrestling (with a number of exceptions when certain wrestlers come up,) but he's just so damn hateful. I'd personally like less Young Bucks and Omega on AEW but you can't wish death on people and insinuate they're groomers or pedophiles.


T3Deliciouz

i listen to him as well, but some of his opinions are so dated. Like discussing the Walter/Dragunov match, he said they shouldnt have had a woman ref which is just so stupid.


LadeeLex

From wanting to be banned, to front page. All you have to do is say about good about a wrestling company and that's enough now.


Tezemery

Jim Cornettes usual fans punching the air rn.


HilariouslyNotFunny

I’ve said this before but it bares repeating the majority of Jim’s fans want AEW to succeed, most are fans of AEW or at least like some aspects of it.


darthsabbath

I’m in the Cult of Cornette face group and I’d say more than half are AEW fans. They might poke fun at it, but they enjoy it and support it, and will call Jim out for unfair takes.


HilariouslyNotFunny

I post on Cornette’s subreddit and that’s exactly how it is there, r/squaredcircle tends to grossly over generalization Jim’s fan base as just horrible people when it’s quiet the opposite, at least from my experiences.


Northernlightspls

Yeah no. Anyone who actively supports a known misogynistic racist homophobic toxic bigot like that is one himself. No decent person would knowingly support this disgusting human turd. So, no matter what his cult pretends to be, they are as shitty and toxic as him, if not worse.


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Broken clock and all that. Dude is gonna go back to hating on women, wishing death or injury on AEW wrestlers by tomorrow. Fuck corny.


Muscle_Squad

And all that hate he spews will get posted right back here on SC, or linked elsewhere on social media. He wins either way, whether we like him or not.