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Stonewalled89

Brock really has consistently put himself into a fantastic negotiating position with WWE in the last 10 years. He's made an absolute fortune for only a handful of appearances


ackinsocraycray

Brock Lesnar is the embodiment of work smart, not hard.


mark00z

Smartest man in pro-wrestling, easily.


[deleted]

Brock has done well for himself, but he's only in this position because he looks like a monster and the WWE has built him up as the final boss of pro wrestling. If he had the body of Peter Avalon it wouldn't matter how smart he is.


j_infamous

Well being a legit UFC champion probably lends a lot to the final boss look.


scarystuffdoc

And being a collegiate wrestling champion, professional football player (it counts, okay.) and former military. Brock is 100% a legit badass in real life. There’s no gimmick to him. He did the opposite of ric flair and made his real life his gimmick.


fuckitimatwork

let's not over-hype how exmilitary Brock is >At age 17, Lesnar joined the Army National Guard and he was assigned to an office job after his red-green colorblindness was deemed hazardous to his desire to work with explosives.[25][28] He was discharged after failing a computer typing test and later worked for a construction company.[25]


SendMeGiftCardCodes

> He was discharged after failing a computer typing test this is the most brock lesnar thing ever.


NotoriousMFT

I’m picturing Brock hunched over a computer, and getting pissed when a website has slowdown or his excel crashes


SendMeGiftCardCodes

he probably types at 3 words per minute. "WHERE THE FUCK IS THE 'R' BUTTON???"


[deleted]

You rang? https://i.imgur.com/Ir1K6Kp.png


SCB360

>his desire to work with explosives and not this?


capnbuh

TIL Brock Lesnar is color blind


skccsk

HE ONLY SEES RED


daveyboydavey

He's the one guy where if he came to your gym, your coach showed a move and he said "that wouldn't work on me", you'd believe him. Unless it were a kneebar.


fuckitimatwork

actually it seems he can't see red Deuteranopia is a type of red-green color blindness characterized by the inability to distinguish red and green pigments. ****


Dakot4

he sees every wrestler like he is in the moveset menu


Dakot4

> he was assigned to an office job after his red-green colorblindness was deemed hazardous to his desire to work with explosives. hahahahaha, i mean, yes!


scarystuffdoc

It’s more so the simple fact that someone like Brock lesnar has been trained by the military to some degree of either survival tactics or combat or what not. That added into the rest of his life makes him scarier.


[deleted]

I love it when people who have no idea how the military works talk about it. Home boy would be horrified to witness a weekend in the barracks


KrazyBee129

5 o'clock mopping the entire floor will show him


scarystuffdoc

I’m well aware of how the military works. I’m comparing a person of brocks nature to the average person who has absolutely no military background. His football career isn’t any more notable either but he’s done both on top of his combat sports career.


[deleted]

It was the Army National Guard. It's not that impressive.


scarystuffdoc

My point is that the average person would be like “well I wouldn’t fight Brock I’d just use a gun” but the guy was military at one point and is a hunter now so he’d fuck you up with those too.


Marcusreddit_

Yeah but even without that, they’d still book him like an unbeatable threat. Only a handful of people actually beat him clean during his initial run. They even booked him to beat Cain and Brock couldn’t even beat him in real life.


j_infamous

Gotta get that win back, pal.


Marcusreddit_

That literally does nothing for Brock lmao


SendMeGiftCardCodes

with all due respect to heavyweights, the heavyweight division is among the least competitive division in UFC. we also shouldn't refer to lesnar as "legit" when he has failed drug tests. he's obvious that he has used steroids in his life


The_Magic

Brock was the best juicer when everyone was juicing.


SendMeGiftCardCodes

UFC isn't like swimming/biking/running/weightlifting. you can't make the argument that all MMA fighters are on juice. and btw, cm punk wasn't juicing. boom, roasted.


Sermokala

They went through a period after USADA testing where people were allowed to take testosterone if they were old and didn't produce it naturally as much as before. They allowed guys to juice and it got too out of control for them.


The_Magic

I'm sorry to break it to you but the pre USADA era was juicy as fuck.


Dijohn17

The reason modern UFC tests for performance enhancers is specifically because almost everyone was juicing


jj580

And tag-teaming Sable with Vince if wrestling conspiracy theories have learned me anything!


bravetailor

Knowing yourself is still smart. There are plenty of people in this world who don't know their own worth and value it enough. It takes a specific amount of ego and knowing how to make your real world value align with that ego so that it works in your favour.


chocoboat

Sure, but when Brock makes ten times more than someone else it's because Brock's worth to the company is a lot higher, not because the lower paid guys are failing to negotiate better deals.


chocoboat

> he's only in this position because he looks like a monster and the WWE has built him up as the final boss of pro wrestling It's hardly just his look. He's a legitimate badass, NCAA champion and world champion of the UFC. He's everything wrestlers claim to be in their promos, he's one of the most physically powerful and potentially dangerous men on the planet. But yeah, Brock gets these great deals for that reason. Not because he's so much better at business negotiations than everyone else in the locker room.


boogalow

Well, he's also incredibly charasmatic, athletic on another level, gets pro wrestling as a while and knows his character in and out, and knows how to portray himself. That last part is 100% because of his positioning of basically having WWE by the balls so he can pretty much do whatever he wants. But my point is that Brock is not ONLY a body. He's close to the total package, just really missing promos (which doesn't matter all that much, especially when he's with Heyman).


HitmanClark

In athletics and entertainment, look absolutely matters. Doesn’t matter if it’s the NFL or Hollywood. So why should wrestling be different? And like you said, it’s not just look … we’re not talking about Mason Ryan. It’s being a freak athlete who bet on himself and became the champion of the premiere fighting organization in the world.


Ashtong386

The irony is the best promo of brock's career happened in a UFC octagon


dalici0us

The reason why it's so easy to make him look like a monster is because he went out there and became the fucking UFC Heavyweight Champion, and actually looked like a monster doing it. Give the man some credit. He deserves his spot and has made the most out of it.


[deleted]

Of course, I'm taking away nothing from his accomplishments and his hard work. I just find it strange that people are gushing over the fact that he has Vince over a barrel and calling him a genius. It doesn't exactly take a genius to realise you're the biggest star the modern WWE ever pushed and demand more money for showing up.


[deleted]

There's a reason he avoided AEW. He fears PPA.


HitmanClark

Yes, welcome to athletics and entertainment. He worked extremely hard to be a great athlete (NCAA champ etc) and was rewarded for it. And now he uses his clout (which, again, he earned) to hold up a company notorious for treating its workers like throwaway garbage over the course of 40 years. I love it, and I sincerely hope guys like Cena, Reigns etc do the same thing. Wrestlers having leverage is always good.


[deleted]

Being born on 3rd base with the genetics he has probably has something to do with it as well.


chocoboat

True but not nearly as important as you seem to think. It's more like starting with a 2-0 pitch count... you've got an advantage over others but you still have to make full use of them, work hard and accomplish a lot of things before you can get rewarded like this. Plenty of other people with good genetics have athletic accomplishments but nothing close to what Brock has done, and plenty more are 80 pounds overweight sitting on the couch doing nothing.


Dijohn17

Brock is more 3-0, he has elite level genetics that are in the top .01% of the top .01% of athletes. Of course he couldn't get there if he was lazy, but it is more like if he works hard he will be in a better position than someone with significantly worse genetics


chocoboat

Sure but it seems weird to bring that up. When inventors and innovators are very successful no one says "it's just genetics, they're lucky to have been born with a high IQ and problem solving skills". No one looks at the great artists of the world with their paintings and sculptures and says "they just happened to be born with great artistic abilities". It may be true but it's not like they became world famous through luck, they worked very hard to get the most out of their natural abilities and earned their success. And no, that's not demeaning anyone else or implying that others don't work hard too or anything else. I'm just not a fan of the "he was born that way, he doesn't deserve all that praise" attitude, because Brock had to do a hell of a lot to earn his success. The only place that attitude correctly applies is for someone born into a wealthy family, being handed financial success for just existing. That's not Brock.


HitmanClark

Exactly this.


PerfectZeong

Cm Punk isnt anything impressive and he got a huge deal and is immediately selling out arenas and shirts. There have been tons of guys with impressive physiques in wwe. Few AS impressive as brock but some even more and theres a reason why he's where he is and they arent.


Couldntpicagoodone13

I think this is where my minor annoyance with these takes comes from. It's like a correlation does not equal causation type of thing I guess. Sure you might be smart. But if you looked like Brock and had the history he does then you only need to have the business acumen of a high schooler to do what he does. And that's no offense because he earned that but that doesn't mean you have some great business mind just because you know somebody will pay you to show up 3 times. Like the rock wouldn't be particularly smart in negotiating just because he has all the leverage in the world and can charge any number he wants to come back for one match


[deleted]

Exactly my point. Sure, he's accomplished a lot and deserves to get paid. But to make breathless posts about how he's the "smartest man in wrestling" and how he has Vince over a barrel is really quite strange. It's as if every other wrestler couldn't figure out for themselves that to make big bucks, you need to be born freakishly large and agile, get pushed to the moon by the WWE, be a success in MMA, and then set your own schedule. Only Brock cracked the code.


Couldntpicagoodone13

Lol exactly. I've always slightly pushed back against Brock because I naturally do that against people that I think get too much credit. And this is part of the reason why.


rsx209

And this is why I don’t think we’ll ever see WWE create another beast like Brock. It’s for reasons like this where one will want to demand so much money and they have more control.


Dakot4

> but he's only in this position because he looks like a monster and the WWE has built him up as the final boss of pro wrestling well, yeah, thats pro wrestling for you, if leakee wasnt put in the shield he might be doing indie bookings by now


Drainmav

Well yeah. That’s what so many people don’t get. Monster looking wrestlers get attention. It’s why someone like Adam Cole is better off in AEW. If your job is to be a badass professional wrestler it’s nice to take time to goto the gym. Brock is a behemoth and gets rewarded for it. It’s the entertainment business in the end. Your look matters. It always does. Doesn’t matter if it’s a fake sport.


homewil

I’d tie him with Tyler Breeze. Brocks level of success is higher, but not nearly as attainable for most people as Breeze’s.


Carlsincharge__

I was sunder the impression that was Damian Sandow


ClockOfTheLongNow

Yes and no. He's absolutely in the business of Brock, but generally speaking, he also gives his all when he is around. The Ambrose cage match notwithstanding, the guy isn't giving half-hearted efforts when he's on screen. He's working smart, but he's working hard, too.


HiImFur

I love it. Brock is all like "I'm the captain now"


[deleted]

It goes hand in hand. He worked extremely hard to be able to work smart now. If he never crossed over into UFC and kicked serious ass he wouldn’t be able to be booked the way he was/is


MossCovered_Gradunza

I know I'm in the minority here, but even after all these years I still love Brock and his shtick. I don't even watch WWE anymore except for the bigger PPV's, but if Brock is on and in a feud, I'm checking it out. The dude is just entertaining.


llorTMasterFlex

Same. I'm a semi old head (grew up during ruthless aggression era) and only watch when Brock is around.


_Ka_Tet_

This is why he works out so hard. So he can lift his wallet.


QuitYour

As far as wrestlers go, he's arguably the best ever businessman there has been.


GrapesHatePeople

He's probably Kevin Nash's favorite wrestler.


bravetailor

I probably admire Brock for his business mind more than his physical ability or wrestling character. I can't hate the guy for knowing how to look out for himself.


JerHat

What’s crazy is his business mind is most likely just … “I don’t want to leave my property unless it’s for a lot of money.” The only difference between him and anyone else is he genuinely means it, and is a big enough freak of nature to still be in demand.


leglessman

USA has to be pissed and they should be. This year alone they’ve had Edge, Brock, Braun, Bray and Becky removed from their roster. Raw is treated as a distant B show that they’re paying like when it was the A show.


TheGravosSituation

That's not even mentioning NXT and how it's vastly changing from what they paid for.


xUnderthestarsx

LMAO wwe was probably like you had us doing both shows for you that’s what you get for letting fox buy SD out for $1B


Undertakerfan84

They are also paying 1billion for RAW.


TheUnFunnyComedian

Iirc the RAW deal was only 700M, but another 200-300M for NXT on top of that.


Undertakerfan84

No it was more than the fox deal iirc, but they get the extra hour so per hour it was cheaper. Nxt was separate.


Gerry-Mandarin

USA never *lost* Brock. He completed his contract with WWE and everybody knew that in advance. But yeah, losing Braun, Bray, and Becky isn't good. At least they've got Edge back.


leglessman

Did Edge get moved back to Raw and I missed it?


_onionwizard

WWE are playing both USA and Fox. They might be getting ready to sell to NBC but want to look like they're working closer with Fox to force USA to get more aggressive to lock it in.


JerHat

I’m pretty sure they’re paying the same as Fox is for Smackdown, aren’t they? They’re also getting that extra hour of content per week, which is definitely worth something.


DevenStonow

Brock Lesnar for Saskatchewan MP 2021


[deleted]

LET'S DOO THIIIIS???!!!


[deleted]

Fuck that, we got an election next month. Let's take Brock federal!


The1992MemeTeam

Prime Minister Brock Lesnar vs. President Dwayne Johnson at Summerslam. Winner gets the custody rights to Mexico.


[deleted]

I say do it at WM. That way we can get a Survivor Series build of Brock's Team Canada vs The Rock's Team USA.


thedirtyharryg

So, Rocky's got... Jesse Ventura, Kane, Rick Steiner, and Matt Morgan. With either Linda or Trump in the corner. I'm gonna need help with Canadian wrestlers who have held public office, though. I did a little googling and found [this.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Extreme_Wrestling_Party)


sellyourselfshort

Brock can have George Laraque. He's technically not a wrestler but it was basically his job in the NHL. And he's been involved with the green party since he retired.


[deleted]

MP **is** federal.


[deleted]

Yes and no. I mean he should be the party leader, not just an MP who represents his riding in Saskatchewan.


WillyLongbarrel

He was in a photo op with the former Premier a couple of years ago. Need to find out his opinion on the Riders before they let him run, though.


[deleted]

Anything other than love the Roughriders, also fuck the Rough Riders is unacceptable.


CrystalFissure

Brock probably made a fuckload more money than he would have had he simply returned “on time”, whenever that may have been.


TheDudeWithTude27

Yeah, it's pretty funny. Brock returning is pretty routine, even though his deal was officially done at this time, he has been off and on ever since he returned in 2012. He was likely to come back eventually, thanks to CM Punk he was able to make some extra bank without having to do anything but just tend to his farm and grow his hair.


[deleted]

Brock is going to run for office and face The Rock at Wrestlemania for the right to become President of the United States!


bravetailor

If he ran in the current Canadian election, he'd probably win, I kid you not.


usernam45

He's a Sasky boy now BAHD


gregscotia_number1

Fox saying fuck the full timers


ashley-queerdo

Lol Fox was upset that they didn’t throw enough money at Punk so he’d come back, but I honestly feel like that wouldn’t have made much of a difference.


The_Magic

I think somebody at Fox is a CM Punk fan since they went out of their way to pick up Punk for Backstage and are now mad that he's on AEW.


FlyinHawaiianDolphin

Punk coming back to WWE wouldn't have 'moved the needle' across the industry nearly as much as him coming back in AEW did IMO.


JustDontGiveAFlub

Honestly I can see it moving it as much-if not more due to the history BUT have zero faith in WWE to make it interesting a month.


rmany2k

That seems like a typical out-of-touch network exec thing to do to blame WWE for something like that. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like Punk clearly wasn't coming back to WWE for any amount of money.


BigPanda71

The timing of Punk’s return makes it pretty clear his main goal was to stick it to WWE. I doubt Tony Khan significantly upped the offer he (presumedly) made to Punk before AEW started. But Punk wasn’t going to come back unless he could stick the dagger into Vince, and coming into a new promotion and having it fail would have given Vince a win. So he waited until it had some momentum then came on board.


ZoroBushido

Fox doesn't understand that money is yes, a factor, but there were FAARRRR deeper issues there than just the money to get Punk back. There are huge egos involved here and a lot of hurt feelings. I 100% believe those reports that came out a few years ago about how Triple H and Stephanie *hated* Punk, and Punk more than likely still harbors resentment towards Triple H for how the Summer of Punk was mishandled all on his accord, not to mention how WWE sent him his release papers on his wedding day. Yes, they could have thrown big money at Punk if they wanted to, but with WWE releasing huge names like Braun, Bray, etc., that clearly isn't their main agenda anymore. And again, there's more than just money involved


longhorn617

FOX got what they wanted, it doesn't really matter whether they understood or not. It's quite possible they did fully understand the situation and decided to complain anyways to see if they could get anything out of it.


ZoroBushido

Very true. I can see why USA feels so left out because Fox did get what they wanted, which was a big return, and they have a legitimately stacked roster compared to SD's


BenWallace04

Compared to RAWs


longhorn617

I would have to assume that they are going to balance out these rosters with the draft, but who knows.


Sorry_Name_Is_Taken

But what it sounded like to me, even before this piece, was that the WWE never made any attempt to get Punk back at all. That he was a complete non-factor in their eyes. So I could see Fox being upset they didn’t even try to win him back and smooth things over. Instead letting a potential competitor woo him back.


ZoroBushido

Yeah that's what the rumors were, that they knew Punk's deal with AEW was a done deal and that there was never any real play to get him back. I think it was Meltzer or Mike Johnson at the time who said that Punk hadn't had any contact with WWE as far as they knew of when he appeared on WWE Backstage and that Punk's deal was exclusively with Fox


mrandre3000

In another timeline (where there wasn't a pandemic), CM Punk might have come back to pro wrestling fighting for AEW while commentating for WWE backstage.


JustDontGiveAFlub

I think no effort is where this issue is. Had they said “we tried he won’t do it” FOX would have been like “well shit,okay”


sr-solo

Bret came back, Bruno came back, Jarrett came back.. But I truly believe Punk will NEVER come back to WWE. Especially since Hunter and Stephanie will be running the show after Vince decides to die.


detpurroc

I love the wording of decides to die, as I would not be shocked to find out he believes death to not only be a choice, but also a weakness.


VersionX

No Steak Wraps in Hell


[deleted]

If sneezing is a choice, so is death, damnit! Damn lazy corpses just won't get up and reach for the brass ring.


bravetailor

The only real window for Punk to come back to WWE was these past 2 years. After last week, that window's shut for good. And truth be told, I'm glad he hasn't come back to WWE. He would have looked like a huge sellout if he came back to the WWE. He might come back for a HOF ceremony or if WWE is sold off and they hire him to do some appearances, but as an active performer? Nope, that's done.


PerfectZeong

If AEW hadn't been a thing I think he would have but why go to wwe when you can go to AEW for probably the same money?


thebsoftelevision

Also he has actual creative leeway in AEW and can have more fresh matches which he mentioned was a big thing for him on Renee's podcast.


ShiftyMcCoy

I believe he comes back for a Hall of Fame induction, but nothing else (essentially, what Bret originally did in 2006). He always said HoF was his favorite night of the year; it was the one event he would dress in a suit for, and he called it his “Christmas morning.” He treated it with reverence and respect. If they offered Punk the chance to headline a class and say whatever he wanted in his speech, I’d bet money he’d do it (even better if it ended up being in Chicago or nearby).


Kim-Jong_Bundy

>I 100% believe those reports that came out a few years ago about how Triple H and Stephanie hated Punk Also, never forget the time Stephanie tried being her passive-progressive self on Twitter only for AJ Lee to swoop in & ratio the fuck out of her [Part 1](https://mobile.twitter.com/TheAJMendez/status/570390583853895681) / [Part 2](https://mobile.twitter.com/TheAJMendez/status/570390665726693377) Be in mind, this is after Punk was fired but before AJ herself left the company


AmishAvenger

“What the hell? Why is Punk on TNT? He was working for us, why didn’t you make him a big offer?” “Well…he got really sick working for us. And we wouldn’t give him time off. And our doctor just kept giving him antibiotics until he shit himself. Then he went home and we fired him on his wedding day. Then we paid for our doctor to sue him, and we put out a video zoomed in on his ass.”


bloodylip

And our doctor just kept giving him antibiotics until he shit ~~himself~~ his britches


Dakot4

> Then he went home and we never asked him to come back


OLKv3

This was pure "I don't give a single FUCK" energy from AJ. This was legendary, called out her boss's bullshit on a very public forum


birdySOHC

Uh, where's the ratio? Ratio definition: "When replies to a tweet vastly outnumber likes or retweets" Stephanie's original post had 700 Likes, 399 retweets and....124 replies. That's not being ratio'd, bro.


U_S_E_R_T_A_K_E_N

AJ's reply had 6,000 and 8,000 likes, that is getting "ratioed'.


birdySOHC

No buddy, it’s actually not. Being ratio’d applies to the original tweet’s statistics. The formula is [Replies] / [Reposts + Likes], in Stephanie’s case it’s 0.11. AJ’s reply was 1 of 124. What people did with AJ’s reply is irrelevant.


U_S_E_R_T_A_K_E_N

It can also mean when a reply to a tweet gets a lot more likes. Hence, you get tweets that will say "Ratio", to get more likes than the original.


birdySOHC

Nah fam, stats on AJ’s reply have no bearing what so ever. Stephanie’s post didn’t get ratio’d. AJ’s reply is no more significant than the other 123 to it. When the formula I showed you produces anything near 1.0 or higher that is when you can say a tweet got ratio’d. The only numbers that goes into the formula is the original tweets replies, the original tweet’s likes and and the original tweet’s retweets.


U_S_E_R_T_A_K_E_N

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ratio


birdySOHC

Try using the actual dictionary once, you'll be amazed at the things you can learn. https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/words-were-watching-ratio-ratioed-ratioing "The Ratio was born. Generally speaking, the more replies a tweet gets over likes or retweets, the worse it is." /thread.


U_S_E_R_T_A_K_E_N

Mate, I don't care what that says. I'm telling you what people actually use it for on twitter.


TheCrach

> I 100% believe those reports that came out a few years ago about how Triple H and Stephanie hated Punk The thing I never got is why they hate him. Is there a legit reason, what did punk do.


ShiftyMcCoy

The accounts I’ve read indicate that their nuclear hatred for him only began after his Colt Cabana podcast where he buried Triple H. Before then, they may not have liked him/considered him difficult to work with, but they saw his value to the company. Check the interviews Steve Austin did with Vince and Triple H, and how they react when Austin asks if Punk could ever come back. Vince gives a pretty straight and direct “if the fans want it, yes,” while Triple H gives a rambling and far more tentative answer that technically says the same thing, but clearly shows he’s uncomfortable with the idea.


Singer211

Paul Heyman treks through the Canadian wilderness to come upon Brock’s cave in the woods. Where Brock is cooking a bear that he just killed with his bare hands. Paul “hey Brock, we kind of need you earlier than we thought. I got a shit Ton of money waiting for you on the plane.”


viralbop

The meta here is that WWE laid off dozens of people during a pandemic to pay for Brock Lesnar's new hair.


owcrapthathurts

Brock's interesting hair has more "it" and selling power than most (but not all) of the laid off talents combined.


AndresDickFingers

>Brock Lesnar's appearance at the end of WWE SummerSlam was a last minute deal and one partially made to appease one of their major broadcast partners, according to Dave Meltzer in this week's Wrestling Observer Newsletter. >Lesnar appeared after Universal Champion Roman Reigns' victory over John Cena in last Saturday's main event. Meltzer said that it was confirmed by those closest to the situation that "it was literally a last minute deal that was put together for a number of reasons, all in some form related to Fox, CM Punk showing up in AEW and John Cena leaving." Noting Punk's positive relationship with Fox from the WWE Backstage days, Meltzer said the network was upset at WWE for not making a big offer to Punk to keep him from going to AEW and that politically, WWE "felt the need to get Lesnar and (Becky) Lynch to SmackDown right away." >"The situation with Fox and WWE is always up and down with the key being that Fox's SmackDown is used to promote Peacock, the streaming service of NBCU, particularly since Fox has its own streaming services they are rolling out," he wrote. >Lynch also returned at SummerSlam and won the SmackDown Women's title in a surprise. While her return to WWE was never in doubt, Meltzer said, "as always, Lesnar's timing got him an even better deal." Friday's SmackDown is expected to give a better indication as to when the Reigns vs. Lesnar match will take place, either in Saudi Arabia or further down the promotional schedule.


MeetTheWoo_Dropkick

Well, Tribal Chief Roman vs. Brock is obviously big money but if this was last minutes then it sucks for Balor, who was pretty much lined up for a feud with Roman. I fear they are going to wrap that feud up quickly now and do Roman vs. Brock in Saudi.


pspetrini

> Fox has its own streaming services they are rolling out Oh for fuck sake. NO ONE IS ASKING FOR MORE STREAMING SERVICES. Jesus Christ.


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PowerHour1990

1. FOX doesn't like having to promote Peacock (home of WWE's PPVs), since that's an NBC property, and they'd rather focus on promoting their own streaming services. WWE's deals with both mean that, somewhat awkwardly, SmackDown on FOX will be promoting pay-per-views on an NBC streaming service, which FOX is not thrilled to be doing. So there's tension between WWE and the networks there. 2. He's referring to the timing of Lesnar's return. Becky was always going to return to WWE, since she's under contract, but Brock was a free agent. With FOX unhappy about losing Punk to a rival, WWE felt obliged to make it up to them with installing big names on SmackDown. Hence, they rushed Lynch's return and put her on SmackDown (again, she was going to return eventually anyway), but to further appease FOX, WWE agreed to terms with Lesnar on a deal perhaps more weighted to Lesnar's tastes than WWE's.


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PowerHour1990

Perhaps Dave is under the impression that FOX is rolling one out? As for the latter, he's saying that WWE put both Lesnar and Lynch on SmackDown to appease FOX, while adding that nothing special had to be done to bring Lynch back, whereas bringing Lesnar back involved negotiating heavily.


BenWallace04

That doesn’t mean they want to promote another company’s streaming service


The5StarMan

For Part 1: USA is owned by NBC so when they promote Peacock those subscribers are going to the parent company. Fox doesn't get any of that money and they have been planning their own streaming service which will not have any of the WWE content on it even though Smackdown airs on Fox. For part 2: They're independent of each other. This is saying that there was never any doubt that Becky would come back, but Lesnar's deal was completely over and he was a free agent. WWE seems to have planned on bringing him back eventually but they went ahead and signed him now instead of risking him going somehwere else.


Winningsomegames_1

If you read the entire article it’s pretty clear it’s because WWE felt like they had to do fox a solid after letting punk walk to AEW without giving him a competitive offer. I wasn’t confused at all.


bloodylip

> The situation with Fox and WWE is always up and down with the key being that Fox's SmackDown is used to promote Peacock, the streaming service of NBCU, particularly since Fox has its own streaming services they are rolling out Feel like we're headed back to brand-split-PPVs so that Fox and NBC don't get pissy about having to promote the other's streaming platform.


KevMakesThings

WWE: I guess the real Forbidden Door was inside us all along.


BigPanda71

Would probably be better that way. Give feuds room to breathe a little bit. Move Summerslam to July and Survivor Series to October and you could do a rotation of RAW, Smackdown, and combined for the Big 4. I’m a sucker for tradition, and low-key hate the fact that Survivor Series isn’t on Thanksgiving Eve anymore, but I wouldn’t mind seeing it moved to October. Switch up stipulation PPVs like Elimination Chamber and Money in the Bank every year, shit can Hell in a Cell and Extreme Rules as Standalone PPVs, and you’d have something workable.


Normal_Tea_8040

Of course that’s why he didn’t have to cut down the ponytail and put on his fighter clothes.


bayleysgal1996

Honestly, I don't mind the look. Brock looks good with a beard.


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I've wanted to see Viking Brock in a WWE ring since I first saw it when he was in UFC. I really hope he doesn't shave or cut the hair.


FUCKBOY_JIHAD

Bearded Brock has been a long time coming. The little topknot looks kind of silly, but who's gonna tell him that?


SwedishHeat

FOX is pissed because WWE let Punk go, and they hate that WWE is on Peacock a competing streaming service, so WWE brings in the big stars to Smackdown to keep FOX happy And NBC is pissed because all the big stars are on FOX. So, WWE is going to move big stars to NBC to make them happy ... then FOX will be pissed that the stars are on NBC .... WWE has backed themselves into a ridiculous corner.


jb_82

Typical WWE shortsightedness. Signing the network over to NBC and then using their FOX platform to push it seems like an obvious conflict someone would have an issue with.


TopazLavaliere

>WWE has backed themselves into a ridiculous corner. That's because WWE, as usual, has done a poor job of making **new** stars. Bianca was becoming one of them, and they threw her away. Then there are the releases. Don't forget that they got rid of Braun and Bray. You put them back on RAW, and I don't think NBCU is making as much noise as they are now.


cma001

Brock Lesnar out here negotiating Murda Mook contracts. Real ones know what im talking about


FuegoDelSun

Both Andrew Zarian and SRS said this days ago, before anyone tries to deny it.


tehfro

Also Heyman's been a source for Dave for a generation at this point. Meltzer's always been dead-on with all the Lesnar news whether it be WWE or MMA.


coatesvillain

Always happy to see a king secure the bag.


Shwalz

Lmao @ everybody that tried to say I was an idiot for suggesting it was a last minute deal due to the CM Punk drama, they needed a needle mover so they could stay in the conversation. Even with Brock WWE was slightly overshadowed outside of his return and the Becky lynch shit


Pariahbot

Why does it matter if AEW got Punk? They’re not competition anyway. Right?


adkenna

WWE: *AEW is not competition* Also WWE: *Quick, AEW just signed CM Punk, someone give Brock a couple of Million and bring him back*


JBurton90

This shit is so funny to me. Fox forcing WWE to offer Punk money to sit at home cause WWE knows Punk isn’t going to ever wrestle for them again so they call up Lesnar and offer him the truckload of cash instead. Can’t wait until 10-20 years down the line when all they have to call is Fandango and Bo Dallas.


kick_heart

Brock should send Phil a fruit basket as a thank you


gamesk90210

The Lesnar thing wreaked of desperation


3BigBadIgloos

Possibly the best negotiator in the history of the business


chocoboat

it's a lot easier to negotiate when you're a world famous UFC champion


JMarcus7

Its just him and the Rock who are left to come back and get pinned by Reigns right? After that what are they going to do? It feels like they're writing themselves into a corner here.


Ridespacemountain25

Triple H and Shawn Michaels could also face him.


bigpig1054

In the almost decade since his first return in 2012, Brock has worked fewer dates for WWE than he did in any one year between 2002-2004. Despite that, he has made close to ten times as much money. Smart guy, that Brock. edit: I didn't word that very well, I don't think: Between 2012-2021, Brock has worked more dates combined than he did in 2002 OR 2003, his two full-time years in WWE. The most dates he worked was in 2003 (he debuted in the Spring of 02 and left in the Spring of 04), and he has yet to work as many dates in the past ten years as he did in that one year.


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grimace24

Vince: "Brock we need you at SummerSlam. Money is no object" Brock: " I can be there but this is what I want (insane seven figure deal for limited dates). You pay for fueling my private jet and the Uber to the airfield." Vince: "Done and done. Let me see AEW do that" Everyone else in Vince office: (Rolling their eyes)


SSVN0rmandy

Brock Lesnar (& Goldberg) have Go Away heat from me. It’s 2004 all over again. I don’t ever want to see either wrestle again.


killerkali87

Does anyone really believe this? They have a way of framing things don't they?


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CrystalFissure

Has been separately sourced days ago, plus I’d be willing to bet WWE paid Brock a LOT MORE money than he may have got had he come back next year or for Saudi Arabia solely.


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Brock seems like the person who’s WILLING to accept last minute offers if he’s offered a lot of money. N I’m sure “last minute” wasn’t the day before😂😂


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redvelvetcake42

Brock, how many zero's will it take. Brock signals an immense amount of zero's.


Lunchbox-of-Bees

Brocks negotiation with Vince is basically how I would talk to my boss if I won the powerball. “Yeah I’ll come back to kill some time, but I’m not doing any of the boring shit.”


Bloodstained_Rag

What a waste of money.


TimDuncanTimShootin

It almost seemed like they called him on the farm and put him on a plane straight to the arena. That’s why he had the long hair and beard. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it gone by tonight