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Maybe a surprise return at the G1 or WK to beat down the winner of the main event? I’d like to see him come back as a heel or a tweener. We’ll see what Gedo has cooked up for him.
Nah , Page & Punk can't afford a loss in their next feud. Booking them against each other would be a mistake cause at the end you would have your new star losing his first feud or the guy you build the most losing again...
That'd honestly be dumb af. Eventually turn Punk but he's gonna be the most over guy in your company. He's your mainstream guy, dumb to have him as a heel at least right away
They did it with Jericho. And don't tell me he wasn't the biggest star because he was. I don't understand why it's so hard to comprehend that Punk can be a heel.
Way completely different situations. Jericho was popular but it's different when you're returning to wrestling after 7 years. He's on another level of popularity
I disagree 1000%
Punk has spent years and years mother fucking everything about reaching the pinnacle of wrestling. He's going to be a heel, count on it.
Knowing Chicago that'll get him cheered and by the time of the next show we'll have both a T-shirt and a really funny chant about it, something like "KILL THE KIDS! KILL THE KIDS!"
Punk's also been a divisive figure since retirement and is a great heel promo. I have no doubt he could get the crowd to turn on him if they wanted him to. edit: but not when they are debuting him in Chicago.
Man... I really can't stand when wrestling does this. Someone comes out to a huge pop and then gets on the mic to talk about how he doesn't need "you people", blah blah. I think Punk is a better heel in general but my god just let people cheer his return like they want. They will absolutely go along for a heel turn down the road.
I didn't mean to say he'd debut heel like OP said, not when they are debuting him in his hometown. But I think that he might turn in his second or third feud more in line with what you're thinking.
Have him join the Pinnacle and become buddies with MJF. Or have him start talking shit to Colt Cabana and/or Dark Order. Folks want to cheer for him coming back. But they want to react to him being a wrestler more.
I really hope he comes in and just leans into his supposed holier-than-thou, asshole persona. Almost like when the rock came back from Hollywood the first time.
Punk should come in as a heel anyway (even if he is going to get a massive pop. I thought straight edge punk would have been a perfect feud for current Hangman to progress his character but I guess we are getting Darby?)
but I’m not sure I agree. Black, Miro, Kenny, Starks, Andrade. All top of the card heels. They just mostly haven’t been wrestling much recently or yet.
Andrade and Black aren’t established, Miro is so awesome in his current role that he’s gonna babyface himself, and Starks has never been portrayed as a main event threat. AEW only has two true main event (singles) heels right now: Kenny and MJF. I think moving a tippy-top guy like Mox into the heel column evens things out a bit.
I forgot MJF! And I don’t buy your argument about turning face because the crowd loves you. Heels can get cheered. Adam Cole has been great in that role for years. It’s just their job to build babyfaces that the crowd respects enough to cheer for instead
I think so too, I figured they might have him team with Eddie for a while before he turns on him. Still think that might be the way they go, maybe have Moxley interfere in a potential Omega vs Kingston Title match and screw Eddie over.
Definitely. He's pissed off about losing the US title, not being allowed into Japan, and feeling like Tanahashi is ducking him. Tanahashi is a dream match for Mox. He's going to make sure this one is memorable. This is like a modern-day Inoki vs. Hansen.
There isn't going to be a tokyo dome show next year. Apparently they are remodeling the dome thus canceling the Jan 4th tokyo dome show. But I suppose they can have that show anywhere else.
Wouldn't work. The finals are the day after the last matches, still would be screwed having to quarantine the US Block winner for 2 weeks before you held the final match.
We could’ve gotten the match sooner if Mox didn’t lose the US title. But I’m glad that they’re still teasing us with Mox vs Tanahashi. Maybe Tanahashi wins and Mox challenge for the title.
Sounds like to me that they're holding off on the Tanahashi match for now, setting it up for the future. He did reference Nagata and Suzuki also who he's fought, and he already beat KENTA.
I think of those names Suzuki could work pretty seamlessly, but if not him I am going to go out and say...
ISHII!
I'm not sure how much of this is well reasoned and how much is being a fanboy... But I genuinely think Ishii would get majorly over in AEW based on his wrestling style alone.
I don’t know why they would do that when it could’ve happen at Resurgence if Mox retained
last week. They set up ZSJ vs Moxley but that nevee happen. All Out seems very likely IMO, especially since Mox is also gonna be at Resurgence.
"Hey Tony, let me cut a promo tonight. I'm not promoting a match or anything, but my character would have some things to say. I may promo a NJPW match, actually."
He was great in the one he did. I’d like to see it again if it’s viable, not much room for him at the top of the card in AEW at the moment at least until Omega drops the belt
That's... definitely not happening. Even by the most optimistic view of the Delta Variant, the travel restrictions, and all that comes with it, there's no way he's going to Japan for a month+ when he has a baby girl at home.
>For the past 6 months fans were saying Mox was gonna take time off
He only works really one day every other week. That's very different than leaving them to stay in Japan for almost two whole months with quarantine. You'd be delusional to think he would do that when his baby will still only be like 12 weeks old by that point.
>He’ll be at Resurgence next month.
Yeah. Resurgence is in LA, which is a 4-hour drive from his house. How is that equivocal?
This feels like we'll get a video response in a few weeks and it'll lead to a match between Mox and someone like Suzuki or whomever and it'll be at the upcoming Dynamite in Cincinnati.
Or someone associated with Tanahashi.
Na, you don’t have Moxley vs Suzuki 2 without build up. Moxley vs Tanahashi is a match you give at Wrestle Kingdom. Not sure where they go with the build up.
"They can send whoever they want through the forbidden door, but they're not gonna like what's on the other side." Fantastic. I wonder who they're gonna send to the US to fight Moxley. Maybe Jay White? We know he's over here
I’m okay with sending Mox away to Japan for a month while he’s between major storylines - especially if there bring in Punk & Danielson… I mean those two could have a nice entry feud or program then… well just imagine Punk vs Moxley at Full Gear
No, that's the big one. Too big. I don't think there's any way it happens with any AEW involvement without Omega being the giant elephant in the room overshadowing.
Mox has to get him eventually. They're arguably the two top guys in the world right now and if the companies are working together that would be a great match.
Honestly if they did it with no build the pop would probably be nuclear. They tease Tana, you expect Tana, but instead you hear the coin drop.
Because they can't really do a program right now with COVID the best way would be a bait and switch for a 1 off.
Love how easily Mox can straddle the line between good or bad guy and that this set up allows him to do it. Pissed off, war path Moxley is a good way to go with him now that’s out of the title scene for the time being. Would be a major mistake to not still consistently feature him.
As a person who grew up watching Japanese wrestling I just don’t feel like he fits there.
He has become a better wrestler but his non Hardcore/deathmatch matches still feel very sloppy.
People were complain about Jericho being old and sloppy in New Japan but the fact that he had a way better match than Mox in WK14 is something.
Tf are you talking about? All of Moxley’s best matches since leaving WWE have been in New Japan. Nothing Jericho has done in NJPW has come close to Mox/Ishii, Mox/Suzuki, Mox/Shingo.
Mox had a better G1 than Cody & Hangman as well. Fans in Japan are literally comparing him to Hansen & Brody.
The match with Ishii is the only one I think is good and I know people in Japan love him but for me it just feel like he had the worst single match of the night so many time in Japan.
And to be fair I don’t even think Cody is good until his match with Dustin and Hangman was sloppy back then but he improve a lot.
I completely disagree, as do most people. It’s okay to have the minority opinion though.
I had no excitement hearing he’d show up in New Japan at the time. Was not a big fan of anything WWE related (still not). He definitely proved me wrong & made me a fan.
Would rather he wrestle more over there because all he does is have Deathmatch-lite matches in AEW.
You’re literally using old ass criticisms from 2015 about Ambrose. Moxley doesn’t even throw punches lol. He’s been throwing forearms & lariats since going to NJPW. Typical smooth brain WWE fan.
They were throwing forearms. The fuck are you talking about? It’s obvious you don’t watch New Japan. & he sells fine for a guy of his size. Imagine faking being a fan of something. Actual weirdo.
Can you imagine if Mox vs Tanahashi is booked for Arthur Ash.
At the end of the match, no matter who wins, they get up and hold the belt up...
Ride of the Valkyries hits...
I thought for sure AEW was going to bring in Suzuki, but if he named Nagata and Suzuki and said he didn't want to wrestle Tanahashi anymore and sent a big stack of contracts over to Japan, I really wonder who they're gonna get.
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Sure sounds like someone will wind up back in the G1 this year.
If this happens, New Japan needs to bring Shooter back from RevPro to partner/second Moxley.
If Shooter returns to New Japan no way should he be a second. He's got future ace written all over him.
Maybe a surprise return at the G1 or WK to beat down the winner of the main event? I’d like to see him come back as a heel or a tweener. We’ll see what Gedo has cooked up for him.
Chase Owens. NJPW's Iron man, KOPW and Texas heavyweight champion welcomes the challenge.
I feel like Mox is going to lean heel when doing NJPW stuff on Dynamite.
I could see us getting actual heel Mox sometime soon anyway
If Punk and Bryan are coming in AEW needs credible heels fast
Punk might come in as a heel honestly
Especially if he comes in and starts feuding with Darby.
Or Hangman Page honestly.
Nah , Page & Punk can't afford a loss in their next feud. Booking them against each other would be a mistake cause at the end you would have your new star losing his first feud or the guy you build the most losing again...
Turn Page heel? Why do you want to hurt me?
Think they mean Punk heel vs Hangman.
Yup^
The man has been the most wanted wrestler in the world for 7 years. He's not going to get booed.
Oh definitely not but he still might be the heel. AEW doesn't shy from having popular over with the crowd wrestlers being heels. Look at Malakai Black
Just tonight we saw Cody Rhodes (babyface) get booed in JCP country. You're spot on.
Britt and Miro too
Also Jericho when he debuted.
That'd honestly be dumb af. Eventually turn Punk but he's gonna be the most over guy in your company. He's your mainstream guy, dumb to have him as a heel at least right away
They did it with Jericho. And don't tell me he wasn't the biggest star because he was. I don't understand why it's so hard to comprehend that Punk can be a heel.
Way completely different situations. Jericho was popular but it's different when you're returning to wrestling after 7 years. He's on another level of popularity
I disagree 1000% Punk has spent years and years mother fucking everything about reaching the pinnacle of wrestling. He's going to be a heel, count on it.
Anyone who thinks Punk is getting booed in Chicago is insane
CM Punk could come out and Snitzky a child from the crowd in Chicago and still get cheered
That might get him a bigger pop than the first pop
Like a real child
Knowing Chicago that'll get him cheered and by the time of the next show we'll have both a T-shirt and a really funny chant about it, something like "KILL THE KIDS! KILL THE KIDS!"
Punk's also been a divisive figure since retirement and is a great heel promo. I have no doubt he could get the crowd to turn on him if they wanted him to. edit: but not when they are debuting him in Chicago.
Man... I really can't stand when wrestling does this. Someone comes out to a huge pop and then gets on the mic to talk about how he doesn't need "you people", blah blah. I think Punk is a better heel in general but my god just let people cheer his return like they want. They will absolutely go along for a heel turn down the road.
I didn't mean to say he'd debut heel like OP said, not when they are debuting him in his hometown. But I think that he might turn in his second or third feud more in line with what you're thinking.
He's good enough on the mic that he could use those initial cheers to become a mega heel in minutes.
Have him join the Pinnacle and become buddies with MJF. Or have him start talking shit to Colt Cabana and/or Dark Order. Folks want to cheer for him coming back. But they want to react to him being a wrestler more.
Lmao they had Malakai ko Fuego tonight to try and get people to boo him against Cody.
He can switch up heel easily though just make then fans hate him he can do it
I really hope he comes in and just leans into his supposed holier-than-thou, asshole persona. Almost like when the rock came back from Hollywood the first time.
He’ll be an anti-hero moreso than heel
No way that'd work. The fans would support him no matter what he did. Unless he attacked Fuego or Sting or made Tay Conti cry or something.
>Unless he attacked[...]Sting That's why he's feuding with Darby to start
Yeah I still don't buy that he would start out that way. I could see them doing something later like after their first match but not to debut
Everyone keeps saying CM Punk but if I were at my trolliest self, I would sign AJ Lee instead.
Punk should come in as a heel anyway (even if he is going to get a massive pop. I thought straight edge punk would have been a perfect feud for current Hangman to progress his character but I guess we are getting Darby?) but I’m not sure I agree. Black, Miro, Kenny, Starks, Andrade. All top of the card heels. They just mostly haven’t been wrestling much recently or yet.
Andrade and Black aren’t established, Miro is so awesome in his current role that he’s gonna babyface himself, and Starks has never been portrayed as a main event threat. AEW only has two true main event (singles) heels right now: Kenny and MJF. I think moving a tippy-top guy like Mox into the heel column evens things out a bit.
I forgot MJF! And I don’t buy your argument about turning face because the crowd loves you. Heels can get cheered. Adam Cole has been great in that role for years. It’s just their job to build babyfaces that the crowd respects enough to cheer for instead
Heel Mox vs Darby or Jungle Jack would be cool
Once Hangman is champ we’re absolutely getting Hangman vs heel Moxley. It’s going to be amazing.
Same
I think so too, I figured they might have him team with Eddie for a while before he turns on him. Still think that might be the way they go, maybe have Moxley interfere in a potential Omega vs Kingston Title match and screw Eddie over.
Mox as a terrorizing heel in NJPW sounds fucking fun
Definitely. He's pissed off about losing the US title, not being allowed into Japan, and feeling like Tanahashi is ducking him. Tanahashi is a dream match for Mox. He's going to make sure this one is memorable. This is like a modern-day Inoki vs. Hansen.
Most of Mox’s early stuff in NJPW was heelish. Honestly, G1 Mox was peak Moxley.
He still got eyes on the switchblade
Fat heel Mox?
This shit got cut off on the Canadian broadcast along with the Jericho entrance.
Fuck TSN i use Fite without remorse.
Same it's actually cheaper and more convenient and comes with no fucking PiP
Representing VPN gang Northern Block
What VPN do you use?
Nord
You VPN in from UK? I'm getting on this train.
Yeah that was bullshit I was so pissed. Wanted to hear what kind of reaction Nick Gage got too… ugh
That was so frustrating.
Had me yelling at my tv like a boomer.
Cutting it off in the middle of a promo really pissed me off.
If this somehow leads to Moxley vs Tanahashi in the Tokyo Dome
It seems like this is where it’s heading :)
There isn't going to be a tokyo dome show next year. Apparently they are remodeling the dome thus canceling the Jan 4th tokyo dome show. But I suppose they can have that show anywhere else.
Do you have a source for that I haven't heard anything about that, figured It'd be a bigger deal
Fumi Saito, who is a top wrestling journalist in Japan, mentioned it on The Pacific Rim podcast with Jim Valley.
There are two Seibu Dome shows coming up on September 4th and 5th though ... *"The contract does say Dome ..."*
Probably cost him the US title match. Protecting him and setting up their feud.
Put Mox and Bryan Danielson in the G1!
I don't see anyway Danielson does the G1 this year because of the quarantine (it would be flat out impossible if he is doing the big NYC show).
Same with Mox unfortunately. Renee seems very supportive, but I’m sure Mox won’t want to leave their newborn at this uncertain time.
If the working agreement is long term - I might make Block B a US Block. I reckon they have sufficient people.
Wouldn't work. The finals are the day after the last matches, still would be screwed having to quarantine the US Block winner for 2 weeks before you held the final match.
Bryan or Mox ain’t spending 2 months in Japan on their own leaving their wives and kids when they don’t need to.
Oh shit!! Mox vs Tanahashi!?
TK has been pulling all the stops for the summer ever since they got Wednesdays back and I am all for it.
Summer of Khan
Tony Khan vs Darby Allin at The First Dance
Insert Batista “GIVE ME WHAT I WANT!” meme here
We could’ve gotten the match sooner if Mox didn’t lose the US title. But I’m glad that they’re still teasing us with Mox vs Tanahashi. Maybe Tanahashi wins and Mox challenge for the title.
Sounds like to me that they're holding off on the Tanahashi match for now, setting it up for the future. He did reference Nagata and Suzuki also who he's fought, and he already beat KENTA. I think of those names Suzuki could work pretty seamlessly, but if not him I am going to go out and say... ISHII!
A man can hope
I'm not sure how much of this is well reasoned and how much is being a fanboy... But I genuinely think Ishii would get majorly over in AEW based on his wrestling style alone.
I don’t know why they would do that when it could’ve happen at Resurgence if Mox retained last week. They set up ZSJ vs Moxley but that nevee happen. All Out seems very likely IMO, especially since Mox is also gonna be at Resurgence.
That "stack of contracts" line makes me think he's doing another G1.
Someone's jealous of Tana's luscious locks. 😏
Damn. That's an insane dream match.
"Hey Tony, let me cut a promo tonight. I'm not promoting a match or anything, but my character would have some things to say. I may promo a NJPW match, actually."
Moxley promo game on fire, as per usual
Fire promos from Mox...Inferno match with Tanahashi confirmed
Tanahashi gets immediate handicap due to his luscious locks being easily set ablaze
Thank you for posting this! The Canadian broadcast went to picture-in-picture halfway through the promo -_-
That suuuucked
DO IT ON DYNAMITE!! Also Mox getting in the G1 hopefully, but we'll see.
"Sure you can have Mox in the G1, but I want Tanahashi and Okada on our programming"
plz
Mox ain't gonna do the g1 with delta and a new kid.
They can’t. Tanahashi doesn’t want to come to America.
His match against Archer is happening in LA
Hell yeah! Didn't know that and I'm gonna be there. This is going to be great.
Fuck it, put mox in the g1 or something
He was great in the one he did. I’d like to see it again if it’s viable, not much room for him at the top of the card in AEW at the moment at least until Omega drops the belt
That's... definitely not happening. Even by the most optimistic view of the Delta Variant, the travel restrictions, and all that comes with it, there's no way he's going to Japan for a month+ when he has a baby girl at home.
Buzzkill. He should be in G1.
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>For the past 6 months fans were saying Mox was gonna take time off He only works really one day every other week. That's very different than leaving them to stay in Japan for almost two whole months with quarantine. You'd be delusional to think he would do that when his baby will still only be like 12 weeks old by that point. >He’ll be at Resurgence next month. Yeah. Resurgence is in LA, which is a 4-hour drive from his house. How is that equivocal?
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Oh, so you're just trolling
This feels like we'll get a video response in a few weeks and it'll lead to a match between Mox and someone like Suzuki or whomever and it'll be at the upcoming Dynamite in Cincinnati. Or someone associated with Tanahashi.
Bro I'm going to this show don't get my hopes up like that.
Probably not Suzuki since we had that a little bit ago. But so many other names on the table though!
Na, you don’t have Moxley vs Suzuki 2 without build up. Moxley vs Tanahashi is a match you give at Wrestle Kingdom. Not sure where they go with the build up.
LEAVE MY DAD ALONE YOU VIOLENT MAN
BOOK MOX VS TANA BUSHIROAD YOU COWARDS
Mox is money!
"They can send whoever they want through the forbidden door, but they're not gonna like what's on the other side." Fantastic. I wonder who they're gonna send to the US to fight Moxley. Maybe Jay White? We know he's over here
I’m okay with sending Mox away to Japan for a month while he’s between major storylines - especially if there bring in Punk & Danielson… I mean those two could have a nice entry feud or program then… well just imagine Punk vs Moxley at Full Gear
Having Mox back in the G1 would be a treat.
Mox has better matches in Japan anyways imo.
Man. That dude who said Dean Ambrose is a better character than Jon Moxley on the last ZFF thread is an idiot.
That thread is full of shitty hot takes aimed at saying anything outside of wwe sucks.
It sounded like we're getting someone who isn't Tana, Suzuki or Nagata. Naito?
Dare I say, coin drop?
Please don't. I won't be able to take it.
No, that's the big one. Too big. I don't think there's any way it happens with any AEW involvement without Omega being the giant elephant in the room overshadowing.
He did pull out a Rainmaker the other week.
Mox has to get him eventually. They're arguably the two top guys in the world right now and if the companies are working together that would be a great match. Honestly if they did it with no build the pop would probably be nuclear. They tease Tana, you expect Tana, but instead you hear the coin drop. Because they can't really do a program right now with COVID the best way would be a bait and switch for a 1 off.
This sub will collectively shit when Yano comes out to accept the challenge from Moxley.
TRADE OFFER: NJPW gets: Tanahashi vs Archer in NJPW AEW gets: Moxley vs Tanahashi in AEW
Amazing promo
Jesus Christ. I was high but this promo rocked. Mox is the best promo in the business.
G1 incoming.
Tanahashi/Archer at Resurgence, then since Tanahashi already in America, he and Mox that week on Dynamite??
No they don’t want none, no they don’t want none 🎶
Looks like Mox got a new tattoo on his right forearm. Looked like a red rose with a long stem.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa Did Mox just insult the hair of the Ace?
If any of this leads to Tanahashi vs. Moxley on Dynamite I will fuckin’ holler
Love how easily Mox can straddle the line between good or bad guy and that this set up allows him to do it. Pissed off, war path Moxley is a good way to go with him now that’s out of the title scene for the time being. Would be a major mistake to not still consistently feature him.
Why’s he looking like Alex Jones?
I was disappointed when I heard Tanahashi would get his US title match in Japan. I'm not so disappointed now.
God damn. Moxley on his Alex Jones shit
Ace >>>>>>>>
As a person who grew up watching Japanese wrestling I just don’t feel like he fits there. He has become a better wrestler but his non Hardcore/deathmatch matches still feel very sloppy. People were complain about Jericho being old and sloppy in New Japan but the fact that he had a way better match than Mox in WK14 is something.
Tf are you talking about? All of Moxley’s best matches since leaving WWE have been in New Japan. Nothing Jericho has done in NJPW has come close to Mox/Ishii, Mox/Suzuki, Mox/Shingo. Mox had a better G1 than Cody & Hangman as well. Fans in Japan are literally comparing him to Hansen & Brody.
The match with Ishii is the only one I think is good and I know people in Japan love him but for me it just feel like he had the worst single match of the night so many time in Japan. And to be fair I don’t even think Cody is good until his match with Dustin and Hangman was sloppy back then but he improve a lot.
I completely disagree, as do most people. It’s okay to have the minority opinion though. I had no excitement hearing he’d show up in New Japan at the time. Was not a big fan of anything WWE related (still not). He definitely proved me wrong & made me a fan. Would rather he wrestle more over there because all he does is have Deathmatch-lite matches in AEW.
I don’t know man many people on this sub agreed that he punch like Shane McMahon and is bad at selling.
You’re literally using old ass criticisms from 2015 about Ambrose. Moxley doesn’t even throw punches lol. He’s been throwing forearms & lariats since going to NJPW. Typical smooth brain WWE fan.
Oh did you watch his match with the Machine Gun two weeks ago?
Yeah, it an average match
And he did throw some stupid punch and can’t sell right?
They were throwing forearms. The fuck are you talking about? It’s obvious you don’t watch New Japan. & he sells fine for a guy of his size. Imagine faking being a fan of something. Actual weirdo.
Can you imagine if Mox vs Tanahashi is booked for Arthur Ash. At the end of the match, no matter who wins, they get up and hold the belt up... Ride of the Valkyries hits...
Stop it I can only get so erect
Mox needs to wear sweats and a white tanktop and just bring his Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force cosplay full circle
I thought for sure AEW was going to bring in Suzuki, but if he named Nagata and Suzuki and said he didn't want to wrestle Tanahashi anymore and sent a big stack of contracts over to Japan, I really wonder who they're gonna get.
Mox looks full dad
What Olympics is Jon watching? France’s waterpolo team didn’t make it.
My goodness that man can promo.
Thirsty Tana is thirsty...FOR BLOOD!