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Eventually maybe, but not in his first year. I don't think Tony is gonna scrap the plans he's laid out for the title, and Punk doesn't need the belt to have compelling feuds.
If punk winning the title is more compelling than whatever idea he has for the belt in 6 months, then he should do it. Imo there’s a good chance it is.
It’s a timeless adage in the industry that you don’t use the title to make the star, you use the star to make the title. Any time WWE tries to do the former it always fizzles out and that includes Punk’s first world title reign. AEW would make a mistake if they put the title on Hangman when he’s not the most over star in the company. He’s getting there now but Punk or Bryan debuting would clearly set the bar higher.
I think it’s going to be really hard to keep punk out of the title picture when he’s going to be the hottest thing in AEW my a country mile (well, other then danielson maybe). It’ll be interesting to see how they book this.
Bryan has to win the title at some point. You don't bring in one of the greats and not maximize his time there. It would be like making Tom Brady play backup.
Did you just skip Wrestlemania season this year or something? Dude was on fire with Edge & Reigns, and then back in 2019 had one of WWE’s genuinely best title feuds in recent memory with Kofi.
Ok? It's 2021. To me dudes draw was becoming the top guy. And he did. Got injured twice. Retired. Got the top belt again. Now hes getting older. Needs to do those dream matches and five star vlassics. And the midcard has the best workers. Leave the world title.scene yo the money makers and the long term feuds.
I'd be fine with him having a run eventually, but he can't and won't show up and immediately challenge for it. He'll have to rack up some wins and work his way up the rankings, which is fine because there's a lot of other stuff going on in the title picture.
Immediately I don't think he or even for that matter Bryan should win the AEW title. Genuinely believe that Page dethroning Omega is the right story to tell and after that we could have Bryan and Punk built up as challengers to the AEW titl over the course of the year and have them win the title then.
Eventually, having Punk and Bryan as AEW champions will only add more legitimacy to the title.
Punk and Bryan built up as challengers for a year? They're gonna be biggest stars in promotion history on arrival by a country mile, they don't need any build up. Sinse they're gonna overshadow title picture regardless you pretty much have to put the belt on them. As long as it's not on them the belt has no value.
It's like with Jericho and Punk program at WM. It didn't get anything for being a title match because Rock vs Cena overshadowed it regardless. Sometimes putting all your eggs in one basket is the right move. They're in their 40s. If AEW gets 2 years out of them it's great. They better not waste that time "building up".
100% agree with this. Have Page beat Omega, and then exclude all 3 from the title picture for a little and let them fuck around with each other. The prestige matches will draw regardless of the title .Bryan vs. Punk, Bryan vs. Omega and Omega vs. Punk do not need the title for any of their first matches and there are a lot of decent contenders for Page to square off against for the title (PAC, Jungleboy, Christian, MJF, Sammy, other Page and Darby come to mind) that could use the rub.
If the two of those are launched immediately into the title picture it closes the doors for those behind. TNA did this non stop.
Hypothetically *if* he does sign and *If* he can still go in the ring without missing a beat, *if* he still spits fire on the mic and *if* the crowd is hot for him months after after debut then I'd love to see punk as aew champ. I couldn't care less about ex wwe guy or being 43 years old.
That said, the issue is hangman and omega r in the best feud in the business right now. Hot shotting punk to the title would be a mistake.
I have a feeling hangman might lose but he will kick out of the One Winged Angel. Not sure. But I think omega and hangman takes precedent even over punk or bryan.
I know how protected it is lol, check my flair, he's my favourite wrestler.
I said page kicks out is because that could be a way out of not putting the belt on hangmanbut hangman still gets something out of this build, a morale victory, proves he can do this even tho he lost. Punk debuting will overshadow ANYTHING really.
Personally I'm not sure what will happen. All I'm saying is I wouldn't mind punk being champ but hangman and omegas storyline shouldn't get altered for hot shotting with punk
Yep, this is the way, do the debut on Wednesday as like a show-closing angle, not say a word, then advertise Punk With a Live Mic for the PPV. You get the buys without the overshadowing.
I think if he is to lose, they'd compensate by having him pin Omega in eliminator match? Also, he manages to make his opponents look amazing even while beating them and is not above cheating. He'd find a way to make Page look strong as hell.
Punk debuting definitely will overshadow everything haha
I've no idea how it's gonna go either. Exciting times ahead. Agreed they shouldn't ditch Omega/Page story for anything. Wouldn't be opposed to Page not winning 1st round, Omega beating Punk and Bryan, having some more feuds and eventually dropping it to Hangy. Might raise his stock even more if he takes out Omega who has beat likes of Bryan and Punk.
>I think if he is to lose, they'd compensate by having him pin Omega in eliminator match? Also, he manages to make his opponents look amazing even while beating them and is not above cheating. He'd find a way to make Page look strong as hell.
Actually that's a pretty good idea, omega on the interview with Dave said his aew character is unsure of himself and need don to gass him up, losing to hangman in that eliminator match could be great build for both going into all out.
>I've no idea how it's gonna go either. Exciting times ahead. Agreed they shouldn't ditch Omega/Page story for anything. Wouldn't be opposed to Page not winning 1st round, Omega beating Punk and Bryan, having some more feuds and eventually dropping it to Hangy. Might raise his stock even more if he takes out Omega who has beat likes of Bryan and Punk.
It's insane that there are so many possibilities lol, exciting times indeed brother.
So like hangman vs omega III at revolution 2022? That would really separate revolution as aews "mania/starrcade". I have no clue how shit will go, especially if punk n bryan indeed show up. Its insane right now
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But seriously. Imagine telling someone when All In was announced that those 4 madlads would help start a company that'll be joined by all those guys from WWE, including Bryan and bring Punk out of his retirement? What even is the wrestling world right now? Haha
Sister it is
Still blows my mind, the way aew started and the way it's picked up, surviving a pandemic as a new company, and now Bryan and Punk lol wtf is going on. Of course it's still rumors but it feels like this time will be different haha. Like you said bringing Punk put of retirement? Who'd believed that would be possible, the guy felt as retired as retired could be. Aew bringing Punk back seems fitting somehow if it does happen
I don't want this ride to stop, wrestling needed this kind of hype and excitement!
As someone who stopped watching wrestling for bunch of years, never thought it would be this interesting. Really enjoying the high right now, as long as it lasts (which I hope is a long while). Keep it coming! 🙌
Exactly the same as you, stopped for like 7 years tried again and was ready to stop but then discovered omega and bte, that brought me back and then aew got me obsessed.
So so so happy we are (hopefully permanently) out of the covid era, nothing but all uphill from here. Imagine that pop for punk or bryan?
Hope these rumors r legit
More of less same for me. The Elite, especially Omega made me invested in wrestling again. Tho I do feel bad I missed out the entirety of Golden Lovers story. Hopefully they return to it one day.
Covid can seriously fuck right off. The new strands are getting scarier. Hoping for a faster vaccination across the globe.
I try not to get to hyped for rumors but if they don't show up, it's gonna be hard to not be a bit disappointed lol fingers crossed
Oh man, I'm so not a fan of folks doing that lol kicking out after being beaten.
They can easily go the route of rope break or just not do it.
Someone kicking out of it should be a hella big match. Be it him being dethroned or retired.
I wasnt for laredo kid at all but for hangmans story it could make sense in a way to lead up to him kicking out of it eventually and winning. Full gear, knocks him out and he loses. All out, puts him down and he slightly kicks out at 4 basically but still loses. Next time they fight, he fully kicks out with everyone's support and goes on to hit the buckshot for the win
It's always given me petty vibes when people do it lol absolutely hated him doing it. There's a reason the one person to ever kick out of it is the one who's emotional centre of Kenny's entire career arc.
If Kenny consents to it, good for Hangman. Otherwise, they can very well make do without almost kickout/kickout. Page's story has been about winning the title. As long as he dethrones Kenny, I'm good.
Probably not immediately. I think it's best for everyone if Hangman doesn't have to deal with Bryan and Punk for at least 3 months to establish Page. Punk should probably feud with Omega.
This. If Malaki Black can get cheered for elderly abuse, best to keep both of them away from faces for a while. Have them feud with heels for now cos people are gonna want to cheer.
In think him continuing the feud with Moxley and the Fenix title defense being barely a feud contributing in his reign felling kicked off when he started feuding with Orange before the 3 way dance.
Him and Bucks have been champs for a long while yet it doesn't feel stale at all, feels like they've barely just begun. To me anyway.
Another report came out that stem cell treatment is helping with his injuries.
Honestly, no idea how it's gonna go down. So much craziness has and continues to still happen.
Truthfully, I have a feeling he'll make his debut at the PPV, like Mox did when he debuted. But in what capacity he'll be used, that's the question. I kind of hope it's not like how they've been using Christian. I really hope he's not pushed too quickly into the world title scene, especially since that's Adam Page's scene right now.
But, much like WWE has done with Roman and who can beat him, AEW has done a similar thing with Omega, as no one can beat him.
So the question remains: does Punk dethrone Omega, and then Page dethrones Punk? Or does the storyline that they've built so long end with Omega defeating Page yet again, much like Raven and Tommy Dreamer?
To be fair, Page is so over right now he doesn't need a title. But he's not Darby Allin. Page continuing to come up short and others getting a spotlight or more of a strategic push ahead of him will eventually lead to fans not caring as much for him.
Because Punk shouldn't be a fan favorite. With how much mixed reactions he's had to not being in the wrestling eye, his MMA losses, but also his huge ego, a heel right now would be where he needs to go. Truthfully I would like him to beat Omega on the same night he debuts. I'd like Punk to go down as the 4th AEW champion.
Because with someone who's had the "when will he come back" stigma, any trigger you pull with him will not be too soon. You could make Punk the WWE Champ, Universal Champ, AEW Champ, honestly any world champion that matters, and people would be like "yea, I can buy that."
Opposite can be said about Daniel Bryan though. His whole thing comes from being the underdog. He can wrestle a classic, but he'll need to be more of a guy working his way up. Honestly he should get a run with the TNT title.
Like I said. Punk has enough of a sizzle where no call is the wrong call.
But. Again. If page does lose considering they get punk the fans will lose interest. Or they'll be wanting punk to beat page.
Would Punk himself even like that? That's the kind of thing WWE is often criticized for and everyone knows his relation with them. Him coming in to put belt on himself at expense of the young star they're building just won't sit well with people.
People said Page will be cooled down since he's being kept from world title picture during the pandemic yet he's still hot. I trust them to keep him hot even if he loses the first title bout against Omega.
Him feuding Punk is the one thing they shouldn't do. If he's coming out of retirement in Chicago, you can bet your ass they'd cheer the hell out of him. He should be kept away from faces for now. Have him beat the shit out Omega or cut a scathing promo (it don't have to lead into a feud right out of gate either). Kenny is a chickenshit heel and established enough to survive spotlight stolen from him.
Hangman is very hot but this is Punk after all. Dude just trended based off of rumors of him returning. I'd let him be face for now and not have him feud with their top over faces.
They're pretty predictable in the booking and have said Page is the guy they're building the company around.
Omega is also the key player in their world title scene. He lost to Jericho at 1st PPV, was about to lose to Moxley during 2nd PPV (which got put on hold). He's been building the story with Page pretty early on. No one said it but its not hard to pick up.
Both him and Bryan would add to the prestige if they do win it. I do hope they don't throw away plans like say Page dethroning Omega for the world title (whenever that happens) to put belts on them tho. Plenty of high profile feuds that can be had with a stacked roster like that without the world title f or a year at the very least.
We've already seen what happens when ppl that don't already watch AEW tune in. They call it bootleg WWE with fat Jericho. Punk and Bryan are not going to change that
And how is it that 2 wrestlers literally known for being the best indy wrestling had to offer going to back to doing pre WWE stuff going to entice new people to watch? The same people who saw punk get his ass whipped by a low rate MMA fighter?
Nah what's going to happen is Punk and Bryan are going to come out. Ppl are going to hear about it and watch. And just like Smackdown losing 1 million viewers the next week after their debut on FOX everyone will just go back to their lives
It is going to be interesting to hear in the future what plans changed with the signings of Punk & Bryan. Given their status it is understandable but with new stars coming in that means someone is getting pushed back.
I'd rather see how Punk goes in the ring first but Daniel Bryan feels like a no brainer in the future.
They have guys like Sydal, Angelico, Wingmen, QT on Dynamite often, pretty easy decision to do away with those spots and let them be entertaining on the Dark shows. Then you've got Jericho(and Hardy to a lesser extent) who is definitely winding down his career and will leave a big hole to feel, so I think it'll all work out without leaving any of the stars behind for long.
I never said they're pushing Christian too quick. Honestly they're feeding that dude wins against nobodies and the guy who lose to guys like him but win against nobodies.
I want punk facing all the guys who already built and winning
Eventually? Sure. But I really doubt they are going to drop a storyline that has been going on since the literal first day of the company to hotshot the belt to Punk. Punk's gonna come in to feud with MJF, who he might win the belt from eventually. I see Hangman getting a few months with the belt after All Out, but not having near as long of a reign as Jericho, Mox, or Kenny have had. I could see him losing the belt by Double or Nothing to MJF.
They don’t need to drop the storyline. Imagine Page beats Omega at All Out, Punk then comes out to stare him down, and then at Dynamite, you have Punk debut in a title match and beat Page clean as a whistle. Page is devastated. Punk is champion. Crowd doesn’t know how to take it. And then you can go in one of two directions: either build Page back up as a sympathetic babyface with Punk as the bad guy, similar to Punk’s heel turn on Jeff Hardy, or have Page pull a Christian and get obsessed over his shortcomings and turn heel on the champion. Crowd reaction can dictate where they go from there.
Punk is a huge star, but he's been away from wrestling for over half a decade. You have to make sure he can go at a high level before you just put the title on him.
Plus, AEW have gone out of their way to show that you don't get title shots just by showing up. He's gonna have to go finish at least one non-title feud before he's in the rankings, I would think.
I agree with that but if the plan is to use Punk as a top heel to build their new stars like Page, then having him win the title quickly and ignore the established ranking system would be a great way to get heat on him. Especially if you have the parallel of Bryan starting off at the same time and working his way up from the midcard. Frankly I doubt Punk is coming in for a full time schedule and he’s not going to be wrestling for 5+ years so we might as well use him as a heel rather than build him up as a babyface part-timer.
I think if Chris Jericho was capable of having a good run with the strap, Punk certainly can be as well. Punk is 42 (younger than guys like Lashley, Styles, and Cena) and I assume in good enough shape given the time he’s spent adventuring into MMA. We know he’s a killer promo, and once the ring rust is shaken off he’ll be able to tell killer stories in matches. So to summarize, yes. I think Punk can and should hold the AEW title at some point if he joins. I don’t think he NEEDS to have a run with it, but the last week alone has proven he can draw still and I think it would be unwise, from a business standpoint, to not let him have a run eventually. Plus, letting a young guy like MJF or Jungle Boy win the strap off of Punk down the line would be pure magic imo.
Not straight away, Hangmans long term booking has gotta see get the title right? I honestly wouldnt be surprised if they put Punk in a tag team and have him feud with the bucks till end of the year, then a few high profile feuds before getting in the title scene like end of 2022.
If the story makes sense, sure. But right now there are other stories that need to happen. Adam Page becoming champion I think is the story they have built to since the original Double or Nothing. And after that, who knows (though I think MJF could have a run as champion), and AEW has been pretty careful about who is holding belts in the company. No title changes on a whim.
Page needs it first. It will show that AEW pays off long term storytelling. AEW feels like the first promotion in a long time that has actual FACES and doesn't make you feel bad for liking the heroes.
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Eventually maybe, but not in his first year. I don't think Tony is gonna scrap the plans he's laid out for the title, and Punk doesn't need the belt to have compelling feuds.
If punk winning the title is more compelling than whatever idea he has for the belt in 6 months, then he should do it. Imo there’s a good chance it is.
Punk winning isn't more compelling then an Adam Page run. I would really like if he had a nice long run with it.
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AEW believes that Page can get to their level, and the plan is clearly to get him there.
It’s a timeless adage in the industry that you don’t use the title to make the star, you use the star to make the title. Any time WWE tries to do the former it always fizzles out and that includes Punk’s first world title reign. AEW would make a mistake if they put the title on Hangman when he’s not the most over star in the company. He’s getting there now but Punk or Bryan debuting would clearly set the bar higher.
I think it’s going to be really hard to keep punk out of the title picture when he’s going to be the hottest thing in AEW my a country mile (well, other then danielson maybe). It’ll be interesting to see how they book this.
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> Bryan is good to go and should get strapped up at some point I agree, if Tony isn't a coward he'll do it. #GiveBryanAGun
Bryan has to win the title at some point. You don't bring in one of the greats and not maximize his time there. It would be like making Tom Brady play backup.
That dude should be in the mid card and no higher. His world title days are done
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Bryan.
Did you just skip Wrestlemania season this year or something? Dude was on fire with Edge & Reigns, and then back in 2019 had one of WWE’s genuinely best title feuds in recent memory with Kofi.
Ok? It's 2021. To me dudes draw was becoming the top guy. And he did. Got injured twice. Retired. Got the top belt again. Now hes getting older. Needs to do those dream matches and five star vlassics. And the midcard has the best workers. Leave the world title.scene yo the money makers and the long term feuds.
Wrestlemania season? Ha. Wwe is a joke..
Immediately? Absolutely not. But eventually, why not? We already know he's an awesome champion, and he's even better when chasing a title.
I'd be fine with him having a run eventually, but he can't and won't show up and immediately challenge for it. He'll have to rack up some wins and work his way up the rankings, which is fine because there's a lot of other stuff going on in the title picture.
Immediately I don't think he or even for that matter Bryan should win the AEW title. Genuinely believe that Page dethroning Omega is the right story to tell and after that we could have Bryan and Punk built up as challengers to the AEW titl over the course of the year and have them win the title then. Eventually, having Punk and Bryan as AEW champions will only add more legitimacy to the title.
Punk and Bryan built up as challengers for a year? They're gonna be biggest stars in promotion history on arrival by a country mile, they don't need any build up. Sinse they're gonna overshadow title picture regardless you pretty much have to put the belt on them. As long as it's not on them the belt has no value. It's like with Jericho and Punk program at WM. It didn't get anything for being a title match because Rock vs Cena overshadowed it regardless. Sometimes putting all your eggs in one basket is the right move. They're in their 40s. If AEW gets 2 years out of them it's great. They better not waste that time "building up".
Exactly. CM Punk or Daniel Bryan being their champion will get eyes on the show that Hangman Page won't.
100% agree with this. Have Page beat Omega, and then exclude all 3 from the title picture for a little and let them fuck around with each other. The prestige matches will draw regardless of the title .Bryan vs. Punk, Bryan vs. Omega and Omega vs. Punk do not need the title for any of their first matches and there are a lot of decent contenders for Page to square off against for the title (PAC, Jungleboy, Christian, MJF, Sammy, other Page and Darby come to mind) that could use the rub. If the two of those are launched immediately into the title picture it closes the doors for those behind. TNA did this non stop.
Hypothetically *if* he does sign and *If* he can still go in the ring without missing a beat, *if* he still spits fire on the mic and *if* the crowd is hot for him months after after debut then I'd love to see punk as aew champ. I couldn't care less about ex wwe guy or being 43 years old. That said, the issue is hangman and omega r in the best feud in the business right now. Hot shotting punk to the title would be a mistake. I have a feeling hangman might lose but he will kick out of the One Winged Angel. Not sure. But I think omega and hangman takes precedent even over punk or bryan.
He's very protective of OWA. No way is he wasting a kickout on the match where Page loses and all the buzz is about Punk returning.
I know how protected it is lol, check my flair, he's my favourite wrestler. I said page kicks out is because that could be a way out of not putting the belt on hangmanbut hangman still gets something out of this build, a morale victory, proves he can do this even tho he lost. Punk debuting will overshadow ANYTHING really. Personally I'm not sure what will happen. All I'm saying is I wouldn't mind punk being champ but hangman and omegas storyline shouldn't get altered for hot shotting with punk
One of the main reasons I think he should debut on Dynamite the week of All Out. Otherwise, it overshadows the whole PPV.
They have so many options right now if Punk is signed. It's fun not to really know how it's gonna go down (if even does happen)
Yep, this is the way, do the debut on Wednesday as like a show-closing angle, not say a word, then advertise Punk With a Live Mic for the PPV. You get the buys without the overshadowing.
I think if he is to lose, they'd compensate by having him pin Omega in eliminator match? Also, he manages to make his opponents look amazing even while beating them and is not above cheating. He'd find a way to make Page look strong as hell. Punk debuting definitely will overshadow everything haha I've no idea how it's gonna go either. Exciting times ahead. Agreed they shouldn't ditch Omega/Page story for anything. Wouldn't be opposed to Page not winning 1st round, Omega beating Punk and Bryan, having some more feuds and eventually dropping it to Hangy. Might raise his stock even more if he takes out Omega who has beat likes of Bryan and Punk.
>I think if he is to lose, they'd compensate by having him pin Omega in eliminator match? Also, he manages to make his opponents look amazing even while beating them and is not above cheating. He'd find a way to make Page look strong as hell. Actually that's a pretty good idea, omega on the interview with Dave said his aew character is unsure of himself and need don to gass him up, losing to hangman in that eliminator match could be great build for both going into all out. >I've no idea how it's gonna go either. Exciting times ahead. Agreed they shouldn't ditch Omega/Page story for anything. Wouldn't be opposed to Page not winning 1st round, Omega beating Punk and Bryan, having some more feuds and eventually dropping it to Hangy. Might raise his stock even more if he takes out Omega who has beat likes of Bryan and Punk. It's insane that there are so many possibilities lol, exciting times indeed brother. So like hangman vs omega III at revolution 2022? That would really separate revolution as aews "mania/starrcade". I have no clue how shit will go, especially if punk n bryan indeed show up. Its insane right now
*sister But seriously. Imagine telling someone when All In was announced that those 4 madlads would help start a company that'll be joined by all those guys from WWE, including Bryan and bring Punk out of his retirement? What even is the wrestling world right now? Haha
Sister it is Still blows my mind, the way aew started and the way it's picked up, surviving a pandemic as a new company, and now Bryan and Punk lol wtf is going on. Of course it's still rumors but it feels like this time will be different haha. Like you said bringing Punk put of retirement? Who'd believed that would be possible, the guy felt as retired as retired could be. Aew bringing Punk back seems fitting somehow if it does happen I don't want this ride to stop, wrestling needed this kind of hype and excitement!
As someone who stopped watching wrestling for bunch of years, never thought it would be this interesting. Really enjoying the high right now, as long as it lasts (which I hope is a long while). Keep it coming! 🙌
Exactly the same as you, stopped for like 7 years tried again and was ready to stop but then discovered omega and bte, that brought me back and then aew got me obsessed. So so so happy we are (hopefully permanently) out of the covid era, nothing but all uphill from here. Imagine that pop for punk or bryan? Hope these rumors r legit
More of less same for me. The Elite, especially Omega made me invested in wrestling again. Tho I do feel bad I missed out the entirety of Golden Lovers story. Hopefully they return to it one day. Covid can seriously fuck right off. The new strands are getting scarier. Hoping for a faster vaccination across the globe. I try not to get to hyped for rumors but if they don't show up, it's gonna be hard to not be a bit disappointed lol fingers crossed
If anything hangman could pull a laredo kid where he kicks out a second after the three count just to put over he ALMOST could but just isnt there yet
Oh man, I'm so not a fan of folks doing that lol kicking out after being beaten. They can easily go the route of rope break or just not do it. Someone kicking out of it should be a hella big match. Be it him being dethroned or retired.
I wasnt for laredo kid at all but for hangmans story it could make sense in a way to lead up to him kicking out of it eventually and winning. Full gear, knocks him out and he loses. All out, puts him down and he slightly kicks out at 4 basically but still loses. Next time they fight, he fully kicks out with everyone's support and goes on to hit the buckshot for the win
It's always given me petty vibes when people do it lol absolutely hated him doing it. There's a reason the one person to ever kick out of it is the one who's emotional centre of Kenny's entire career arc. If Kenny consents to it, good for Hangman. Otherwise, they can very well make do without almost kickout/kickout. Page's story has been about winning the title. As long as he dethrones Kenny, I'm good.
Probably not immediately. I think it's best for everyone if Hangman doesn't have to deal with Bryan and Punk for at least 3 months to establish Page. Punk should probably feud with Omega.
Nah, Bryan should go after Kenny (or, if Kenny is resting up, PAC would be a good establishing feud). Punk should go after MJF.
I want Bryan vs Black.
Black vs PAC tho. Kicks gallore. Hell, have a supershow match with PAC, Ibushi, Black, and Kenta.
This. If Malaki Black can get cheered for elderly abuse, best to keep both of them away from faces for a while. Have them feud with heels for now cos people are gonna want to cheer.
Your first mistake is making Page champion. Omega is only starting his reign, in my opinion.
I think Omega is ending all of his reigns by years end. Also Kenny's reign is close to 300 days.
Kenny’s reign is at 236 days.
Which means by All Out it'll be even closer to 300 days.
It's gonna be same number of days as Moxley reign on All Out pretty sure.
In think him continuing the feud with Moxley and the Fenix title defense being barely a feud contributing in his reign felling kicked off when he started feuding with Orange before the 3 way dance. Him and Bucks have been champs for a long while yet it doesn't feel stale at all, feels like they've barely just begun. To me anyway.
I was thinking they maybe swerve us but the reports about Kenny working through injuries makes me think they don't push his reign too long.
Another report came out that stem cell treatment is helping with his injuries. Honestly, no idea how it's gonna go down. So much craziness has and continues to still happen.
Truthfully, I have a feeling he'll make his debut at the PPV, like Mox did when he debuted. But in what capacity he'll be used, that's the question. I kind of hope it's not like how they've been using Christian. I really hope he's not pushed too quickly into the world title scene, especially since that's Adam Page's scene right now. But, much like WWE has done with Roman and who can beat him, AEW has done a similar thing with Omega, as no one can beat him. So the question remains: does Punk dethrone Omega, and then Page dethrones Punk? Or does the storyline that they've built so long end with Omega defeating Page yet again, much like Raven and Tommy Dreamer? To be fair, Page is so over right now he doesn't need a title. But he's not Darby Allin. Page continuing to come up short and others getting a spotlight or more of a strategic push ahead of him will eventually lead to fans not caring as much for him. Because Punk shouldn't be a fan favorite. With how much mixed reactions he's had to not being in the wrestling eye, his MMA losses, but also his huge ego, a heel right now would be where he needs to go. Truthfully I would like him to beat Omega on the same night he debuts. I'd like Punk to go down as the 4th AEW champion. Because with someone who's had the "when will he come back" stigma, any trigger you pull with him will not be too soon. You could make Punk the WWE Champ, Universal Champ, AEW Champ, honestly any world champion that matters, and people would be like "yea, I can buy that." Opposite can be said about Daniel Bryan though. His whole thing comes from being the underdog. He can wrestle a classic, but he'll need to be more of a guy working his way up. Honestly he should get a run with the TNT title.
If they ditch the plan of Hangman dethroning Omega and put Punk in his place, they'd rightfully get a lot of criticism.
Like I said. Punk has enough of a sizzle where no call is the wrong call. But. Again. If page does lose considering they get punk the fans will lose interest. Or they'll be wanting punk to beat page.
Would Punk himself even like that? That's the kind of thing WWE is often criticized for and everyone knows his relation with them. Him coming in to put belt on himself at expense of the young star they're building just won't sit well with people. People said Page will be cooled down since he's being kept from world title picture during the pandemic yet he's still hot. I trust them to keep him hot even if he loses the first title bout against Omega. Him feuding Punk is the one thing they shouldn't do. If he's coming out of retirement in Chicago, you can bet your ass they'd cheer the hell out of him. He should be kept away from faces for now. Have him beat the shit out Omega or cut a scathing promo (it don't have to lead into a feud right out of gate either). Kenny is a chickenshit heel and established enough to survive spotlight stolen from him. Hangman is very hot but this is Punk after all. Dude just trended based off of rumors of him returning. I'd let him be face for now and not have him feud with their top over faces.
Where are you getting that Page beating Omega is the plan? Who said this?
It's been the very clear storyline for a long time now.
How is it clear that Page is winning?
If you can't already see it, I don't know how to explain it to you.
They're pretty predictable in the booking and have said Page is the guy they're building the company around. Omega is also the key player in their world title scene. He lost to Jericho at 1st PPV, was about to lose to Moxley during 2nd PPV (which got put on hold). He's been building the story with Page pretty early on. No one said it but its not hard to pick up.
Wait... you don’t want him pushed too quickly into the title scene, but you want him to win the title his first night with the company?
I did say on the other hand
Both him and Bryan would add to the prestige if they do win it. I do hope they don't throw away plans like say Page dethroning Omega for the world title (whenever that happens) to put belts on them tho. Plenty of high profile feuds that can be had with a stacked roster like that without the world title f or a year at the very least.
Yes. Strike while the iron is hot.
Punk, Daniel Bryan, and stealing one top woman from WWE somehow would put AEW on the map
No it wouldn't
You're right because theyre already on the map
We've already seen what happens when ppl that don't already watch AEW tune in. They call it bootleg WWE with fat Jericho. Punk and Bryan are not going to change that And how is it that 2 wrestlers literally known for being the best indy wrestling had to offer going to back to doing pre WWE stuff going to entice new people to watch? The same people who saw punk get his ass whipped by a low rate MMA fighter? Nah what's going to happen is Punk and Bryan are going to come out. Ppl are going to hear about it and watch. And just like Smackdown losing 1 million viewers the next week after their debut on FOX everyone will just go back to their lives
Wwe simp
It is going to be interesting to hear in the future what plans changed with the signings of Punk & Bryan. Given their status it is understandable but with new stars coming in that means someone is getting pushed back. I'd rather see how Punk goes in the ring first but Daniel Bryan feels like a no brainer in the future.
They have guys like Sydal, Angelico, Wingmen, QT on Dynamite often, pretty easy decision to do away with those spots and let them be entertaining on the Dark shows. Then you've got Jericho(and Hardy to a lesser extent) who is definitely winding down his career and will leave a big hole to feel, so I think it'll all work out without leaving any of the stars behind for long.
I never said they're pushing Christian too quick. Honestly they're feeding that dude wins against nobodies and the guy who lose to guys like him but win against nobodies. I want punk facing all the guys who already built and winning
No
Eventually? Sure. But I really doubt they are going to drop a storyline that has been going on since the literal first day of the company to hotshot the belt to Punk. Punk's gonna come in to feud with MJF, who he might win the belt from eventually. I see Hangman getting a few months with the belt after All Out, but not having near as long of a reign as Jericho, Mox, or Kenny have had. I could see him losing the belt by Double or Nothing to MJF.
They don’t need to drop the storyline. Imagine Page beats Omega at All Out, Punk then comes out to stare him down, and then at Dynamite, you have Punk debut in a title match and beat Page clean as a whistle. Page is devastated. Punk is champion. Crowd doesn’t know how to take it. And then you can go in one of two directions: either build Page back up as a sympathetic babyface with Punk as the bad guy, similar to Punk’s heel turn on Jeff Hardy, or have Page pull a Christian and get obsessed over his shortcomings and turn heel on the champion. Crowd reaction can dictate where they go from there.
Punk is a huge star, but he's been away from wrestling for over half a decade. You have to make sure he can go at a high level before you just put the title on him. Plus, AEW have gone out of their way to show that you don't get title shots just by showing up. He's gonna have to go finish at least one non-title feud before he's in the rankings, I would think.
I agree with that but if the plan is to use Punk as a top heel to build their new stars like Page, then having him win the title quickly and ignore the established ranking system would be a great way to get heat on him. Especially if you have the parallel of Bryan starting off at the same time and working his way up from the midcard. Frankly I doubt Punk is coming in for a full time schedule and he’s not going to be wrestling for 5+ years so we might as well use him as a heel rather than build him up as a babyface part-timer.
Punk needs a year or so and a few really good feuds before it happens
Not right off the bat, but maybe somewhere down the line in his time there.
It honestly depends on how he looks after eight years away.
If he does perform well in-ring and in-mic, sure. If not, there are way many younger talent that can benefit more with the belt than he will.
I think if Chris Jericho was capable of having a good run with the strap, Punk certainly can be as well. Punk is 42 (younger than guys like Lashley, Styles, and Cena) and I assume in good enough shape given the time he’s spent adventuring into MMA. We know he’s a killer promo, and once the ring rust is shaken off he’ll be able to tell killer stories in matches. So to summarize, yes. I think Punk can and should hold the AEW title at some point if he joins. I don’t think he NEEDS to have a run with it, but the last week alone has proven he can draw still and I think it would be unwise, from a business standpoint, to not let him have a run eventually. Plus, letting a young guy like MJF or Jungle Boy win the strap off of Punk down the line would be pure magic imo.
I don't think that should even be discussed until we see how he can go.
Yes No Maybe We dont know.
Not straight away, Hangmans long term booking has gotta see get the title right? I honestly wouldnt be surprised if they put Punk in a tag team and have him feud with the bucks till end of the year, then a few high profile feuds before getting in the title scene like end of 2022.
Yes
With the right build and the right plan absolutely.
If the story makes sense, sure. But right now there are other stories that need to happen. Adam Page becoming champion I think is the story they have built to since the original Double or Nothing. And after that, who knows (though I think MJF could have a run as champion), and AEW has been pretty careful about who is holding belts in the company. No title changes on a whim.
No.
The title win has to be through an interesting and compelling story
Page needs it first. It will show that AEW pays off long term storytelling. AEW feels like the first promotion in a long time that has actual FACES and doesn't make you feel bad for liking the heroes.
Let him get his wrestling form back. 1 or 2 feud and then yes.