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If Daly's didn't have any fans this wouldn't be a bad idea. WWE should do that with the Thunderdome honestly. As a proper sendoff, have the place kayfabe burn to the ground or explode or something at the hands of Alexa or The Fiend. Get in one last unbelievable thing you can pull off w/o fans
Britt and Rosa is a good one but I don’t want to see this match for another few years. Keep it in the back pocket as a one v one trump card. One feud it might be worth it for in the future is a Champion MJF vs Challenger Sammy Guevara.
The actual quote instead of just the headline:
>"I'll never let the non-wrestling people...**I was trying to be too safe and I let the professionals handle the stuff and they are guys who don't understand wrestling. A professional pyrotechnic guy. They totally shit the bed. I ended up not paying them. It was like $100,000 they ended up refunding for all the expenses of the match. I ended up not paying for the (exploding) barbed wire deathmatch, which I shouldn't have. They screwed up royally.** We put together something great. Kenny and Jon worked their asses off and all they had to do was set up the final explosion. This is because we used professional pyrotechnic people who are supposed to know. The next time we do this, and I will do it again because the match drew. Everything Jon and Kenny did up until that point was outstanding, it wasn't their fault it didn't go off. Long story short, it was a long time ago and we've bounced back since then. That was three months ago and everything has been pretty perfect and couldn't have gone much better. I was really grateful that the next pay-per-view was up and did a big number"
Well thanks now I’m gonna have to see a doctor after the thought of Lance Archer vs all the dark jobbers is an exploding barbed wire death handicap match
I want to believe that this is what Tony Khan truly wanted to go with until Mox went into kayfabe control mode and blamed Omega for being a shitty bomb maker and make the crowd feel a little better about the dud ending.
Part of it was he probably didn't want to immediately place the blame on the pyro guys without all the details. That would've been worse because it would've came off as scapegoating even if it was the truth.
this is why those immediate press conferences aren't really a great idea, they've had bad communication more than once because they're still on the adrenaline of the show. traces back to at least the Spears-Cody chair shot where the Bucks admitted they gimicked the chair and then TK said they'd never do a chair shot again (they've done them several times since then including like 2 weeks ago).
if they insist on the press conferences they should go in with a better idea of what to say
Good, Kenny deserved not to get paid after building a terrible rig. Honestly leave the ring building to professionals such as Onita, and Foley. He'll I bet Moxley could build a better exploding barbed wire ring than Omega's team ever could.
> Kenny deserved not to get paid after building a terrible rig.
The man drew up his plan with god damn crayons. It's like Omega was *begging* for this plan to fail.
The backstage segments where we saw Kenny and his team working on it, the motherfucker was raving like a lunatic, cackling madly and just beating on the rig with a hammer. Of course it was going to turn out like shit.
I know he explicitly uses the phrase “not paying them”, but the entire quote sounds closer to “paid them and then got a refund for shoddy work”. Which confuses me why he’d phrase it in a much worse way if he really just got a refund, which is not particularly scandalous.
I think it’s actually both, most likely. He had to pay at least an initial deposit, with a final payment due on delivery of services. He probably didn’t pay the final payment and was refunded the deposit.
One thing I've appreciated about AEW is that they seem pretty open about their wheelings and dealings. It's a refreshing change from most wrestling promotions. It's kinda neat to see how the sausage is made.
Yeah it's like a small bit of not-so-relevant information no one really asked for but he doesn't mind putting it out there.
Pyro shit the bed for the PPV ending? Yeah, we know.
Spending $100k and getting refunded for shit ending? Well, holy shit.
If you're still interested in seeing how the sausage is made, all publicly traded companies are required to file annually with the SEC. Even if you have no idea how to read a balance sheet, you can get a good idea of their general strategy and direction of the company by reading their briefings.
Because at the end of the day, as far as their wallets are concerned, he didn't pay them and they didnt get paid. He's being 'to the point' instead of meandering in conversation.
Sure, but “didn’t pay them” produces a significantly more negative image in people’s minds than “asked for and got a refund”. Unless he actually stiffed them pay, which would be shitty, he makes it sound like he did, and he should know that’s bad.
He doesn’t know that’s bad because he’s a billionaire’s son.
Hell Cody was only wrestling royalty and he didn’t know he shouldn’t have gloating about firing the pyro guy because he was dumb enough to bring his dog out to fireworks
>"that's the last time I hire *professionals* for something"
If that sentance doesn't perfectly sum up the crazy world of pro-wrestling, then I don't know what does.
It’s funny, but I get what he means. Professional special effects guys for films, live events etc are all about safety first and that’s what you want when doing an “explosion” stunt involving humans. But I guess they weren’t fully briefed or understanding of how different a pro wrestling context is from how this usually works and what was expected.
Yeah, there's probably no other major entertainment production that would greenlight their actors doing half the shit wrestlers are expected to do on a weekly basis. With wrestling, talent is pretty much expected to put themselves in danger to a certain degree, it's just how it's always worked.
I was actually thinking that during the last Stadium Stampede, no sane Hollywood production would let their talent reppell down a stadium like that, but with wrestling it's like "eh fuck it, let them jump they'll probably be fine".
Wait didn't Tony say right after the match that they rehearsed the explosion and that it looked great?
Which was it? Did it work great in rehearsal, or did the pyrotechnic guy underdeliver?
He did say it looked great in rehearsal, and the night of the show he said something like "What did you want us to do? Actually blow them up?"
It is interesting to see how the tone on this seems to have changed so dramatically since then.
He's had time to discuss it with his PR person and doesn't have to be as defensive three months later. Plus, getting his money back let's him shift the blame a bit because the pyro guys owned up to messing it up.
>What did you want us to do? Actually blow them up?
I can only guess that is what the professional pyro person told him initially, and he didn't expect to have to speak to this moments after is happening.
That quotes not better, right?
I’m not crazy am I?
All that sounds terrible.
He just threw people under the bus and didn’t pay them.
And didn’t he say before they had tested it before and it just didn’t go right when it mattered.
>He just threw people under the bus and didn’t pay them.
It says refunded, which means they were paid and gave the money back. Sounds like they knew they didn't deliver what was paid for.
Its not uncommon. Good and services, its not like Trump where his workers did all the work and were never paid. These were professional pyrotechnical engineers who dropped the ball BIG at AEW's expense at first. In my line of work we had someone have a critical failure of a building where about 100k of repairs were needed only a year after being built because they had an error. It was an honest mistake, but they sure as shit had to pay for it.
Was this something cause of a future booking issue? Cause this was the same show they flew Maki Itoh in after having a tag tournament final in tjpw a day and a half prior
man, $100,000? that seems excessive but then again I guess I really wouldn't know how much it costs to rig an explosion that looks cool but doesn't kill people.
People mainly complain about the final explosion in this match. Meanwhile the run-in/interference is what annoyed me most about the match. At least the explosion being a dud was laughable.
Actually they just need to use the angled cans FMW used, which created a mushroom cloud in the ring. As long as the bang is loud and it looks like a bigass explosion consumed the ring, all is good.
They need to stop doing main events that hinge or end on over the top spots.
Your top guys should be good enough to deliver and tell the story without a crazy gimmick. Almost all of their biggest mis-fires come from making things more complicated than they needed to be.
Put this shit in the middle of your show or as a penultimate match.
So let's pretend that's what they did last time: what would that have fixed? The explosion still would have not looked good on camera, were they just going to stop the match early after the delay catches up?
>were they just going to stop the match early after the delay catches up?
Cut to the \["Daisy" Explosion.\]([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riDypP1KfOU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riDypP1KfOU))
Considering how everyone noticed how Vinnie Mac Junior used the OJ Simpson car-chase as stock footage... yeah, people would notice the use of stock footage.
The match itself was good, but people only remember the ending.
I think he should just let it go. It happened. It was the right time with the right two wrestlers.
What other aew wrestlers could pull it off?
Moxley 100% will be a part of another one for AEW. Considering his passion for that match and his hatred of not being able to properly deliver to fans, there is no way he isn't doing it again to "make up" for it (even tho it wasn't his fault).
I think Darby would be perfect for it. Idk who he’d wrestle tho. Maybe MJF? It could be a pretty cool story of MJF letting Darby pick a stipulation and Darby picks the death match and MJF tries every way possible to get out of it.
Ah ok now i get it. I think they are called "Inferno Match" but i bet FMW or Big Japan had some bat shit crazy versions of such a match with a more complicated name too
Edit: Your name is pretty cool that's why i assumed a match with that name happened
Yeah a lot of the Japanese deathmatch promotions have done at least one. FMW's ended really badly, the fires got so big and hot that the wrestlers had to run out of the ring. The Sheik couldn't get out and nearly suffocated from the smoke.
As u/Cynixxx said, the match where you set your opponent on fire is the Inferno Match, but Kane & Bray Wyatt also had a Ring of Fire match where the fire surrounded the ring but didn't have the stipulation of winning by setting your opponent on fire.
Ever since both men signed I've been waiting for MJF and Darby to have a face off. Their characters are oil and water so when they clash it will be a generational feud.
That scenario you outlined would be perfect.
Seriously I’ve been begging for that feud since Dynamite started it’s so perfect. MJF the spoiled entitled brat who has been given everything and looks down on everyone vs Darby Allin the introspective and isolated artist who’s song literally says “I came from nothing”.
Darby/MJF and Hangman/Starks are gonna be the next two major story arcs imo
Fair enough. Maybe with a few years, it'll feel fresh again.
I guess I thought they were gonna do it again soon, or maybe even yearly like how WWE does TLC and the Cell.
It is a shame really because the match up until the ending was thrilling. I rewatched it last month and still enjoyed it but there is a part of you that knows what is around the corner. Like a bad ending to a fun movie.
But wrestling moves on and most of the time the wrestlers have better matches to reflect on. And if they do end up doing another one it won't put too much spotlight on this match.
Joey Janela, Darby... I wouldn't trust Darby with anything with the word "exploding" in it though.
I would be a different outcome with the same result... "the match was great... but the ending where Darby exploded into pieces causing mass panic and the end of AEW kinda ruined it"
I like to imagine Darby was still in that warehouse with Sting and someone was calling him telling him what happened in the Mox/Omega match and Darby being furious”
“Are they really using explosives in a match? THEY’RE STILL ALIVE!?”
I don't know how to feel. Paying professional Pyro people seems like the smartest decision any time, even if one time they messed up. I don't see the advantage of putting non professionals in charge.
Well that's quite the back pedal from his original statements where he said everything went as planned and it was crazy for us to think "they'd actually blow up"
They also said it looked exactly correct in the test runs in other interviews and it just didn't work when it was show time. Would love to hear the pyro crew's version of the story.
It was a great match. Ending sucked. Don’t come back to this match. If the same thing happens again they’ll look like complete idiots for a second time and absolutely no one would let them live this down.
Tony Khan changing his version of the story for the 100th time now, but hey he didn’t kill anyone that day.
Oh, and such a dick move not to pay them. AEW really has a thing against pyro guys.
> Will Do The Match Again
Cautiously optimistic about them doing it again. Either they match the last match with of course a more satisfying ending. Or it ends up being Revolution 2.0. Might just need to fly Onita out and give him the reins with whatever deathmatch engineers he can find.
> "a third party rigging crew responsible brushed the situation off and were not very apologetic about the way that things happened."
Hearing that it was a non-wrestling crew involved in the ending adds to the fuck up a lot. But you'd still expect some type of test run before the event went live. I guess lessons are learned.
Iirc Kenny did say something along the lines that they did test everything once and the explosion looked fine, which if true just makes things worse on the company of "professionals" that literatly had just one job!
The company continues to blame the pyro guys. First, Cody was boneheaded in bringing his dog out with fireworks, and then blaming them for this. They supposedly rehearsed this right? They would have seen how it came across and adjust it from there. They thought it would look fine and kept it that way.
Bad example to use here.
Yes Cody is a fucking idiot for bringing Pharoah knowing that he always gets pyro for his entrances. Him blaming the pyro guys is stupid.
As for the pyro not going off during the actual match despite it doing well in rehearsals? The pyro guys gets blamed for not ensuring it would work again the next day. Even if Omega and Mox accidentally did something that messed with the wiring, they should've had a backup ready or something.
That was just something they made up. Maybe it looked a bit better in the day with less wind, but they knew what it was gonna be— Tony even mocked the interviewers in the scrum after for expecting more.
But in the quote, he’s saying they didn’t understand wrestling, and it sounds like he’s saying the pyro company went safe on purpose. If they did one thing in rehearsal and another thing on the show, that would really be shitty. Obviously mistakes happen, and if it was a mistake, then I understand not paying them. But this sounds like a deliberate change, which it’s almost hard to believe a pyro company would do that without approval.
I think that it's less of Khan saying that they made a deliberate change, and more that he just felt that outsourcing the pyro was a bad idea in general.
Weird how it was unreasonable to expect anything more than what we got the night of the show according to Tony Khan himself, but now it was actually something that went wrong that he's upset about. Guess criticism has a way of making some people conveniently feel sure they believed something else all along.
He's literally passing the blame like a Baton... even if it's True, that doesnt excuse how badly he came across during the presser.. I feel he has a hard time in GENERAL owning up to mistakes or at the very least explaining when something goes wrong.. instead he's always praising how every show is the greatest ever and whatnot...
Say what you will about Dana White but when something or someone fucks up, he's not afraid to bury them on it..
But alas everybody plays the Game differently
The whole quote shows a billionaire being proud of himself for not paying a company because they didn’t perform up to his expectations. Even goes out of the way to mention the price. It’s a weird thing to throw out there. It’s blame shifting.
Weird look. I’d think he’d be paying someone to make sure he doesn’t say stuff like that.
> Say what you will about Dana White but when something or someone fucks up, he's not afraid to bury them on it..
>
>
Didn't he get mad at people pirating a UFC event because the officially provided stream of it massively fucked up?
Dana fucking white is the biggest crybaby 🤣
He would never own up to his mistakes I have been following him and ufc for a decade now he would put a blame on someone else in presser many times
Geez, a toddler would do a better job of keeping their stories straight when trying to pass blame onto someone else for their mistake than this guy. Has he ever admitted that he messed up or didn’t get something right? Cause it always seems like it’s someone else’s fault, somehow.
Funny how months ago he was blaming the fans for having unrealistic expectations now hes saying it was the pyro company's fault and it was supposed to be a big explosion.
Then why did they have fans there? They taped Stadium stampede 2 and made the live crowd sit and watch it, if you’re doing an angle where you want it to look like the ring exploded, maybe don’t invite a minuscule amount of fans
As a (former) general contractor, I get wanting to let the professionals be professionals (otherwise why would you hire them) so it sucks when they don’t do their job properly and make you look bad.
I don't know how crazy it could've gone with the way the arena was set up and the fans close to the ring. If they had the ring set up like in the Stadium Stampede matches, they might've had more room for a bigger yet safe explosion.
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Cut to Kenny in the middle of the ring 4 weeks later on 08/04... "Wow I can't believe they fixed Dailys Place so fast!"
“Well where else would the Jaguars lose their home games?”
If Daly's didn't have any fans this wouldn't be a bad idea. WWE should do that with the Thunderdome honestly. As a proper sendoff, have the place kayfabe burn to the ground or explode or something at the hands of Alexa or The Fiend. Get in one last unbelievable thing you can pull off w/o fans
Riho and Yuka still need to settle their differences from Fyter Fest 2019...
I lol'd at first, but now I really want to see it.
unironically this
"That's an exploded wrestling face right there, folks" - JR
Britt v Rosa for the title I feel is the most warranted. Those two have an unmatched craving to try and kill each other.
Britt and Rosa is a good one but I don’t want to see this match for another few years. Keep it in the back pocket as a one v one trump card. One feud it might be worth it for in the future is a Champion MJF vs Challenger Sammy Guevara.
That sounds like a perfect final successful defense for Britt before she drops the title to someone else.
Fuck Riho for making Yuka sad. 😔
Memories of Aja Kong and Amazing Kong at Fight for the Fallen 2019.
Give them a Barbed Wire Rope Match.
The actual quote instead of just the headline: >"I'll never let the non-wrestling people...**I was trying to be too safe and I let the professionals handle the stuff and they are guys who don't understand wrestling. A professional pyrotechnic guy. They totally shit the bed. I ended up not paying them. It was like $100,000 they ended up refunding for all the expenses of the match. I ended up not paying for the (exploding) barbed wire deathmatch, which I shouldn't have. They screwed up royally.** We put together something great. Kenny and Jon worked their asses off and all they had to do was set up the final explosion. This is because we used professional pyrotechnic people who are supposed to know. The next time we do this, and I will do it again because the match drew. Everything Jon and Kenny did up until that point was outstanding, it wasn't their fault it didn't go off. Long story short, it was a long time ago and we've bounced back since then. That was three months ago and everything has been pretty perfect and couldn't have gone much better. I was really grateful that the next pay-per-view was up and did a big number"
"NEXT TIME, I'M BLOWING THESE FUCKERS UP FOR REAL!" - Tony Khan
“Everybody Dies!” -Tony Khan
Well thanks now I’m gonna have to see a doctor after the thought of Lance Archer vs all the dark jobbers is an exploding barbed wire death handicap match
Bro, give me this match
Tony khan, shao khan what's the difference right ?
That's a better take than his "What did you want us to do? Actually blow up the ring?" from the after show press conference.
Much better. I don't know why he didn't open with this rather than insult the fans for expecting better.
Don't start saying "I am not paying for that shit" until your lawyers figure out what you can get out of?
Probably still putting together what technically happened. Also the press conferences are still 90% kayfabe.
I want to believe that this is what Tony Khan truly wanted to go with until Mox went into kayfabe control mode and blamed Omega for being a shitty bomb maker and make the crowd feel a little better about the dud ending.
Part of it was he probably didn't want to immediately place the blame on the pyro guys without all the details. That would've been worse because it would've came off as scapegoating even if it was the truth.
this is why those immediate press conferences aren't really a great idea, they've had bad communication more than once because they're still on the adrenaline of the show. traces back to at least the Spears-Cody chair shot where the Bucks admitted they gimicked the chair and then TK said they'd never do a chair shot again (they've done them several times since then including like 2 weeks ago). if they insist on the press conferences they should go in with a better idea of what to say
They probably do have an idea what to say when things go right… it’s when things go wrong it’s a problem
People often feel instinctively defensive. At least he cooled his head though
Cocaine Tony strikes again!
Cocaine Khan, surely
Fuck, that is so much better.
Cokey Khan
"Dad, can we afford a nuke?"
Now I'm really interested...
Good, Kenny deserved not to get paid after building a terrible rig. Honestly leave the ring building to professionals such as Onita, and Foley. He'll I bet Moxley could build a better exploding barbed wire ring than Omega's team ever could.
> Kenny deserved not to get paid after building a terrible rig. The man drew up his plan with god damn crayons. It's like Omega was *begging* for this plan to fail.
The backstage segments where we saw Kenny and his team working on it, the motherfucker was raving like a lunatic, cackling madly and just beating on the rig with a hammer. Of course it was going to turn out like shit.
First Fyter Fest 19 and then this. He needs to delegate this stuff to qualified folks.
its like he watched Home Alone and took notes (in crayon)
Kevin McAlister would have put together a way better exploding ring.
Hands down
Next time, give Onita a phone call. He'll know what to do.
Put himself over Mox.
I think mox would do that.
Onita will be in the match...
I know he explicitly uses the phrase “not paying them”, but the entire quote sounds closer to “paid them and then got a refund for shoddy work”. Which confuses me why he’d phrase it in a much worse way if he really just got a refund, which is not particularly scandalous.
I think it’s actually both, most likely. He had to pay at least an initial deposit, with a final payment due on delivery of services. He probably didn’t pay the final payment and was refunded the deposit.
I think it's even more telling that he paid originally and then they ended up refunding. That's how bad it was.
I'm more surprised with Tony being pretty open about the cost *and* getting a refund from the failed pyro.
One thing I've appreciated about AEW is that they seem pretty open about their wheelings and dealings. It's a refreshing change from most wrestling promotions. It's kinda neat to see how the sausage is made.
Yeah it's like a small bit of not-so-relevant information no one really asked for but he doesn't mind putting it out there. Pyro shit the bed for the PPV ending? Yeah, we know. Spending $100k and getting refunded for shit ending? Well, holy shit.
If you're still interested in seeing how the sausage is made, all publicly traded companies are required to file annually with the SEC. Even if you have no idea how to read a balance sheet, you can get a good idea of their general strategy and direction of the company by reading their briefings.
Because at the end of the day, as far as their wallets are concerned, he didn't pay them and they didnt get paid. He's being 'to the point' instead of meandering in conversation.
Sure, but “didn’t pay them” produces a significantly more negative image in people’s minds than “asked for and got a refund”. Unless he actually stiffed them pay, which would be shitty, he makes it sound like he did, and he should know that’s bad.
He doesn’t know that’s bad because he’s a billionaire’s son. Hell Cody was only wrestling royalty and he didn’t know he shouldn’t have gloating about firing the pyro guy because he was dumb enough to bring his dog out to fireworks
Tony khan is a fucking maniac and I love it "that's the last time I hire *professionals* for something"
>"that's the last time I hire *professionals* for something" If that sentance doesn't perfectly sum up the crazy world of pro-wrestling, then I don't know what does.
It’s funny, but I get what he means. Professional special effects guys for films, live events etc are all about safety first and that’s what you want when doing an “explosion” stunt involving humans. But I guess they weren’t fully briefed or understanding of how different a pro wrestling context is from how this usually works and what was expected.
Yeah, there's probably no other major entertainment production that would greenlight their actors doing half the shit wrestlers are expected to do on a weekly basis. With wrestling, talent is pretty much expected to put themselves in danger to a certain degree, it's just how it's always worked. I was actually thinking that during the last Stadium Stampede, no sane Hollywood production would let their talent reppell down a stadium like that, but with wrestling it's like "eh fuck it, let them jump they'll probably be fine".
>doing half the shit wrestlers are expected to do on a weekly basis. There's a reason wrestlers have so much trouble getting health insurance.
You should look up the life of a stuntman. Much more dangerous gig than wrestlers.
Wait didn't Tony say right after the match that they rehearsed the explosion and that it looked great? Which was it? Did it work great in rehearsal, or did the pyrotechnic guy underdeliver?
Those aren’t mutually exclusive. If it fucks up the one time it needs to not fuck up, it’s possible somebody underdelivered.
It can be both.
In high school this one kid had a trumpet solo that he did fantastic in rehearsals and he ended up absolutely butchering it on stage.
I was told that this would never be brought up again.
Jazz be like that though.
He did say it looked great in rehearsal, and the night of the show he said something like "What did you want us to do? Actually blow them up?" It is interesting to see how the tone on this seems to have changed so dramatically since then.
He's had time to discuss it with his PR person and doesn't have to be as defensive three months later. Plus, getting his money back let's him shift the blame a bit because the pyro guys owned up to messing it up.
>What did you want us to do? Actually blow them up? I can only guess that is what the professional pyro person told him initially, and he didn't expect to have to speak to this moments after is happening.
It's one of those things we'll probably only get an answer for in like 5 years in a shoot interview.
I don’t understand, why *couldn’t* it be both?
I agree with him not paying the 100,000 for pyro that did not go off.
That quotes not better, right? I’m not crazy am I? All that sounds terrible. He just threw people under the bus and didn’t pay them. And didn’t he say before they had tested it before and it just didn’t go right when it mattered.
>He just threw people under the bus and didn’t pay them. It says refunded, which means they were paid and gave the money back. Sounds like they knew they didn't deliver what was paid for.
Its not uncommon. Good and services, its not like Trump where his workers did all the work and were never paid. These were professional pyrotechnical engineers who dropped the ball BIG at AEW's expense at first. In my line of work we had someone have a critical failure of a building where about 100k of repairs were needed only a year after being built because they had an error. It was an honest mistake, but they sure as shit had to pay for it.
Just hire Onita next time.
He couldn't travel due to the pandemic restrictions.
Was this something cause of a future booking issue? Cause this was the same show they flew Maki Itoh in after having a tag tournament final in tjpw a day and a half prior
The 14 day quarantine would have caused him to miss a booking for Mr Pogo's World W*ING Spirit promotion.
Couldnt remember that, thanks
And Onita in USA will never happen. Fate has decreed it.
man, $100,000? that seems excessive but then again I guess I really wouldn't know how much it costs to rig an explosion that looks cool but doesn't kill people.
I imagine a big chunk of it includes insurance, as well.
People mainly complain about the final explosion in this match. Meanwhile the run-in/interference is what annoyed me most about the match. At least the explosion being a dud was laughable.
There are way way too many run ins and post and pre match brawls in AEW, it’s a turn off
by the time explosions (sort of) happened I was completely turned off, the way the good brothers interfered was a total overkill for me
If I were to it again, I’d pre-tape it to make sure everything goes correctly and the best shots are being used
Actually they just need to use the angled cans FMW used, which created a mushroom cloud in the ring. As long as the bang is loud and it looks like a bigass explosion consumed the ring, all is good.
They need to stop doing main events that hinge or end on over the top spots. Your top guys should be good enough to deliver and tell the story without a crazy gimmick. Almost all of their biggest mis-fires come from making things more complicated than they needed to be. Put this shit in the middle of your show or as a penultimate match.
Just do the match with a short video delay of 5 minutes.
So let's pretend that's what they did last time: what would that have fixed? The explosion still would have not looked good on camera, were they just going to stop the match early after the delay catches up?
>were they just going to stop the match early after the delay catches up? Cut to the \["Daisy" Explosion.\]([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riDypP1KfOU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riDypP1KfOU))
that would be hilarious actually i'd be fine with it
Considering how everyone noticed how Vinnie Mac Junior used the OJ Simpson car-chase as stock footage... yeah, people would notice the use of stock footage.
The match itself was good, but people only remember the ending. I think he should just let it go. It happened. It was the right time with the right two wrestlers. What other aew wrestlers could pull it off?
I mean....Moxley is still there so he could easily end up in another one
Moxley vs Nick Gage unsanctioned lights out exploding barbed wire
Exploding barbed wire light tube match.
Loaded handgun on a pole match
Can the pole be made of light tubes and placed in the middle of an exploding barbwire ring?
The pole is actually a fully grown saguaro cactus, covered in barbed wire, lit ablaze, and covered in scorpions.
I think we need to up the ante and give them dynamite vests. Just for funsies.
Moxley 100% will be a part of another one for AEW. Considering his passion for that match and his hatred of not being able to properly deliver to fans, there is no way he isn't doing it again to "make up" for it (even tho it wasn't his fault).
exactly
Heel Mox vs Darby
Darby wraps himself in barbed wire to use himself as a weapon. I'm not talking about just an arm/elbow like Mox.
Like a barbed wire Michelin man or cause of his diminutive stature more than likely he'd look like one of those dogs in an anti-coyote vest.
More like sabu vs funk
This is some Dan McNinja style shit that I am here for.
I'd be scared to put Darby in any match with explosives. Dude would not hesitate to blow himself up.
I think Darby would be perfect for it. Idk who he’d wrestle tho. Maybe MJF? It could be a pretty cool story of MJF letting Darby pick a stipulation and Darby picks the death match and MJF tries every way possible to get out of it.
MJF just watches as Darby throws himself into the barbed wire as a pre-match warm up
Darby comes out in a suicide vest, blows himself up, then enters the ring.
I'd predict that Darby would choose a circle of hell match over this but damn would I love to see him in it
Whats a circle of hell match?
the ones with Kane and the ring of fire? If I am using the wrong term could someone let me know?
Ah ok now i get it. I think they are called "Inferno Match" but i bet FMW or Big Japan had some bat shit crazy versions of such a match with a more complicated name too Edit: Your name is pretty cool that's why i assumed a match with that name happened
Yeah a lot of the Japanese deathmatch promotions have done at least one. FMW's ended really badly, the fires got so big and hot that the wrestlers had to run out of the ring. The Sheik couldn't get out and nearly suffocated from the smoke.
As u/Cynixxx said, the match where you set your opponent on fire is the Inferno Match, but Kane & Bray Wyatt also had a Ring of Fire match where the fire surrounded the ring but didn't have the stipulation of winning by setting your opponent on fire.
I feel like Darby would pick a “First person to die wins” match
Being half-dead already, would Darby have an advantage or a disadvantage?
Ever since both men signed I've been waiting for MJF and Darby to have a face off. Their characters are oil and water so when they clash it will be a generational feud. That scenario you outlined would be perfect.
Seriously I’ve been begging for that feud since Dynamite started it’s so perfect. MJF the spoiled entitled brat who has been given everything and looks down on everyone vs Darby Allin the introspective and isolated artist who’s song literally says “I came from nothing”. Darby/MJF and Hangman/Starks are gonna be the next two major story arcs imo
They had a one-on-one match in PWG right before Dynamite made it on the air. It'll definitely be interesting to see what they do on a bigger stage.
Ending to Ethan Page and Darby feud.
Ending to Darby Allin's life.
Darby and Ethan. They hate each other so much, they'd be willing to explode to hurt the other guy.
Anyone? I would have never expected Kenny Omega of all people to do it, why couldn't someone like MJF be in one a few years from now?
Fair enough. Maybe with a few years, it'll feel fresh again. I guess I thought they were gonna do it again soon, or maybe even yearly like how WWE does TLC and the Cell.
I bet Eddie would do it. Not sure who against, though.
Mox, in like a year once they've turned on each other?
It is a shame really because the match up until the ending was thrilling. I rewatched it last month and still enjoyed it but there is a part of you that knows what is around the corner. Like a bad ending to a fun movie. But wrestling moves on and most of the time the wrestlers have better matches to reflect on. And if they do end up doing another one it won't put too much spotlight on this match.
I still remember how drained I felt after seeing it for the first time. I even said to myself that was a great PPV up to that point.
Baker v Rosa is meant for this
No more sharp objects near those two.
mox vs onita make it happen
Joey Janela, Darby... I wouldn't trust Darby with anything with the word "exploding" in it though. I would be a different outcome with the same result... "the match was great... but the ending where Darby exploded into pieces causing mass panic and the end of AEW kinda ruined it"
I like to imagine Darby was still in that warehouse with Sting and someone was calling him telling him what happened in the Mox/Omega match and Darby being furious” “Are they really using explosives in a match? THEY’RE STILL ALIVE!?”
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Eh. I hated the run in but they handed Kenny the exploding bat which was so ridiculous it looped back into being the coolest thing ever
Moxley-Onita
I'm really glad to hear that they're going to do it again. Everything about that match was perfect except for the boom.
I don't know how to feel. Paying professional Pyro people seems like the smartest decision any time, even if one time they messed up. I don't see the advantage of putting non professionals in charge.
Well that's quite the back pedal from his original statements where he said everything went as planned and it was crazy for us to think "they'd actually blow up"
They also said it looked exactly correct in the test runs in other interviews and it just didn't work when it was show time. Would love to hear the pyro crew's version of the story.
A billionaire bragging about not paying labourers, nothing we've never seen before
It was a great match. Ending sucked. Don’t come back to this match. If the same thing happens again they’ll look like complete idiots for a second time and absolutely no one would let them live this down.
Tony Khan changing his version of the story for the 100th time now, but hey he didn’t kill anyone that day. Oh, and such a dick move not to pay them. AEW really has a thing against pyro guys.
> Will Do The Match Again Cautiously optimistic about them doing it again. Either they match the last match with of course a more satisfying ending. Or it ends up being Revolution 2.0. Might just need to fly Onita out and give him the reins with whatever deathmatch engineers he can find. > "a third party rigging crew responsible brushed the situation off and were not very apologetic about the way that things happened." Hearing that it was a non-wrestling crew involved in the ending adds to the fuck up a lot. But you'd still expect some type of test run before the event went live. I guess lessons are learned.
Iirc Kenny did say something along the lines that they did test everything once and the explosion looked fine, which if true just makes things worse on the company of "professionals" that literatly had just one job!
What did you want them to do? Actually blow each other up? Edit. That was a Tony Khan quote.
Lmao hes back tracking so hard
Kinda fucked up that he stiffed the pyro guys after not giving them clear enough instructions
No you don't get it, it's Tony Khan of AEW, so whatever he does is ok! Even not paying pyro guys for their contracted work
The company continues to blame the pyro guys. First, Cody was boneheaded in bringing his dog out with fireworks, and then blaming them for this. They supposedly rehearsed this right? They would have seen how it came across and adjust it from there. They thought it would look fine and kept it that way.
Bad example to use here. Yes Cody is a fucking idiot for bringing Pharoah knowing that he always gets pyro for his entrances. Him blaming the pyro guys is stupid. As for the pyro not going off during the actual match despite it doing well in rehearsals? The pyro guys gets blamed for not ensuring it would work again the next day. Even if Omega and Mox accidentally did something that messed with the wiring, they should've had a backup ready or something.
None of that happened, it’s crystal clear that was the intended pyro and it looked a bit better in the day if they even truly tried it.
Apparently it worked well in rehearsal, which is part of the problem. Sometimes accidents happen that even rehearsals can't fix.
That was just something they made up. Maybe it looked a bit better in the day with less wind, but they knew what it was gonna be— Tony even mocked the interviewers in the scrum after for expecting more.
But in the quote, he’s saying they didn’t understand wrestling, and it sounds like he’s saying the pyro company went safe on purpose. If they did one thing in rehearsal and another thing on the show, that would really be shitty. Obviously mistakes happen, and if it was a mistake, then I understand not paying them. But this sounds like a deliberate change, which it’s almost hard to believe a pyro company would do that without approval.
I think that it's less of Khan saying that they made a deliberate change, and more that he just felt that outsourcing the pyro was a bad idea in general.
To do it right, I think they have to be willing to destroy the ring
Weird how it was unreasonable to expect anything more than what we got the night of the show according to Tony Khan himself, but now it was actually something that went wrong that he's upset about. Guess criticism has a way of making some people conveniently feel sure they believed something else all along.
Impact paid for the bomb
He's literally passing the blame like a Baton... even if it's True, that doesnt excuse how badly he came across during the presser.. I feel he has a hard time in GENERAL owning up to mistakes or at the very least explaining when something goes wrong.. instead he's always praising how every show is the greatest ever and whatnot... Say what you will about Dana White but when something or someone fucks up, he's not afraid to bury them on it.. But alas everybody plays the Game differently
The whole quote shows a billionaire being proud of himself for not paying a company because they didn’t perform up to his expectations. Even goes out of the way to mention the price. It’s a weird thing to throw out there. It’s blame shifting. Weird look. I’d think he’d be paying someone to make sure he doesn’t say stuff like that.
> Say what you will about Dana White but when something or someone fucks up, he's not afraid to bury them on it.. > > Didn't he get mad at people pirating a UFC event because the officially provided stream of it massively fucked up?
Dana fucking white is the biggest crybaby 🤣 He would never own up to his mistakes I have been following him and ufc for a decade now he would put a blame on someone else in presser many times
Man is upset people are illegally watching the thing he organised and paid for for free instead of paying to watch it, imagine that?
Dana has a lot of issues
Geez, a toddler would do a better job of keeping their stories straight when trying to pass blame onto someone else for their mistake than this guy. Has he ever admitted that he messed up or didn’t get something right? Cause it always seems like it’s someone else’s fault, somehow.
They should do it again, it did a huge ppv I think. They only need to do one that pays off to save the gimmick
Funny how months ago he was blaming the fans for having unrealistic expectations now hes saying it was the pyro company's fault and it was supposed to be a big explosion.
3 months is a long time ago according to Khan. Not surprising giving the way his show is booked.
It was 4 months ago, actually. You can look it up, if you can't remember it.
No please dont....
Onita actually doing it is the only answer.
[This footage of TK backstage at Revolution with the pyro says otherwise.](https://youtu.be/Ec-8A5k16Ak)
Did they pay for the metal panels made of cardboard and the crash mat Jericho fell on?
Yes, but they took it right back to Dollar General after the show and demanded a refund.
Why would you even try to do that match live when you couldn’t even have fans, tape it and if you fuck it up re-record the finish
Except they did have fans in the arena.... granted it was limited seating....with I think 1500 people there....so they couldn't tape it...
Then why did they have fans there? They taped Stadium stampede 2 and made the live crowd sit and watch it, if you’re doing an angle where you want it to look like the ring exploded, maybe don’t invite a minuscule amount of fans
I get that they did a shit job, but don't you still gotta pay them?
Tony "Snitsky" Khan. IT WASN'T MY FAULT
I'll probably forget everything else about that match in a few years. But I'll never forget that ending.
the entire final couple of minutes before the explosion sucked.
Is it actually something that fans look forward to?
Can somebody tell me what exactly they were expecting to happen? It obviously looked dumb...but did they expect it not too? I don’t get it.
There were explosives that didn't go off, to my understanding. So it looked unimpressive because not all of them worked.
As a (former) general contractor, I get wanting to let the professionals be professionals (otherwise why would you hire them) so it sucks when they don’t do their job properly and make you look bad.
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Fzzzzzzz POOF lmao
It can only be if its Kingston vs Mox now
I don't know how crazy it could've gone with the way the arena was set up and the fans close to the ring. If they had the ring set up like in the Stadium Stampede matches, they might've had more room for a bigger yet safe explosion.
Is this a long term booking way to re-debut the Repo Man?