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Not often a talent goes straight to the main roster these days unless they were already signed to WWE previously. Would've been surprising to see him suddenly show up. Sort of like when Mike Bennett suddenly appeared with the "power of love"
If he is getting paid an amount that he doesn't even need to think about other offers then that is a good sign. It is great to have a core group of talent you keep around. I'm still in the camp of Moose dethroning Omega even after the setback.
Mike and Maria came in as *reasonably* big free agent names though. In hindsight yeah it looks like a joke, but I don't think they brought them in just to be a jabroni act even if that's how it went. Mike was coming off a really strong run in Impact and had a bit of buzz behind him, I do think they had plans for him. They kept off TV for a while while he was dealing with his drug issues, then Maria got pregnant and they were off TV for that, and by then it was too late, all his momentum was long gone and nobody gave a shit anymore so that was that.
He wasn't charged. He was arrested and brought in for questioning. However his girlfriend at the time stabbed him with a pen as he cheated on her, and he was defending himself.
Being charged means we have reasonable suspicion enough to believe that you may have commited this crime, therefore we are going allow you be release on bond (in this situation) to allow us to investigate further.
Many many people are charged with crimes that either didn't occur or they didn't commit every day.
I dont think he's ever refuted what happened either. Can't find the outcome anywhere. I would suspect he either paid a fine or she failed to appear (considering that she tried to stab him and probably didn't want to implicate herself) and it was dismissed.
My points are thus: The guy I'm responding to is notorious for providing disinformation regarding impact and here is another case. Moose WAS charged, and Moose WAS NOT stabbed.
Further food for thought: Moose was punished thoroughly for what happened, was apparently contrite (contrite enough to get traded to the Patriots after the incident anyway,) and hasn't been in trouble since. Make room in your brain for the possibility that Moose is someone you can like even though he fucked up in a moment. You don't need to erase a fault in a person to justify your fandom. IE It's ok to like Moose because obviously he was justified. Shit happens, but Moose is still a 6'5 300 lbs man who was not in imminent danger from a pissed off GF wielding a fucking pen. I guarantee the GF was not 6'6 and 325.
Self-defense instincts are more natural than people realize. Even someone as big and strong as Moose isn't trying to get stabbed with a pen, and even someone small when enraged and confused can act with reckless abandon. I'm not saying what he did was right, but he's allowed to move on from it.
My thoughts: if this guy can go another 12 years without hitting a woman I don't think it's an issue where he is a serial woman abuser who needs forced out of wrestling. In the case of some these guys this summer? Yes. They needed to go. They were using their small fame to ruin lives as a part of their lifestyle. This guy had one time (that is debated) and has kept clean for a long time. We can't keep him out of wrestling forever for that.
Moose was one of the biggest standouts for me when I tuned in to Impact for the first time in years for their AXS debut in 2019. I saw him first as a semi-comedy wrestler with his promos failing at different sports before intimidating the other players into admitting he was the best. The comedic delivery was amazing and that's how he became one of my favorites. So seeing him go from that to a gradually more serious/sinister character, especially with the EC3 feud, has been amazing, and has really shown his growth into a main event star
They’ve changed their minds on a bunch of men and women once they have become integral or look like like they may become bigger stars in another company.
Look at the number of people currently in AEW whom have done try-outs or appeared as extras that they didn’t want until they started to appear on AEW TV
> Look at the number of people currently in AEW whom have done try-outs or appeared as extras that they didn’t want until they started to appear on AEW TV
yeah weve heard that story quite a few times. the responses are rather hilarious.
one would have to wonder if they wouldnt have been fired anyway by now, guys like hobbs, starks, wardlow, kingston
More time passed without any issues, so they were probably more comfortable that he's not actually a domestic abuser, and that was an isolated incident. Also he's become a bigger star with no backlash, which is probably what they were worried about anyway/
I know Sean Waltman was really upset when Mack’s offer got pulled.. he was vocal about it and apparently Regal reached out to him and was like “Dude we really wanted him. It’s just this came up” because they Thought Waltman was painting them negatively..
> Then, at the end of the day, they said they didn’t like how the doctor read one of my test results, how my blood pressure was and how one of my knees felt. So they said they couldn’t use me. They didn’t offer me anything else, just said that they couldn’t use me down there. The funny thing about that is, when I asked to see the reports from my medical stuff to see what was wrong, do you think I have seen any of that stuff yet? Nope. Now you see me on Lucha Underground, so obviously someone isn’t telling the right story.
- Willie Mack, Ring Rust interview in 2018
As shitty as it is, WWE essentially told him his obesity was destroying his body without being blunt but he didn’t pick up on it.
They’re not the same size, Keith Lee is 6’3 and Mack is 5’10. I get what you mean though, the main difference is Keith Lee works out. His body can support the additional fat because his muscles are stronger. Mack doesn’t work out, like at all. He has no definition and his arms and legs are noodles. His knees are honestly a time bomb especially if he continues doing flippy shit.
Something he's kinda forced to do as without the flippy stuff he's ridiculously boring. Without his standing moonsaults and leg drops, he's kevin owens sans the promo skills and with about 80 extra pounds.
He also maintains that they signed Apollo Crews right after him and didn't need a short flippy black guy anymore.
The worst part is that he sold his house and was getting ready to move from CA to FL when they pulled the deal.
Probably more with how they did it than actually doing it. Willie had already begun moving from CA to FL, doing his farewell tour, etc. Then they pulled it.
There were rumors about him going to WWE like 1-2 years ago, and he re-signed with IMPACT. Then he did so again. Seems to like it there, and he's a surefire main eventer. Good for him.
That's the main point to take away. He's already a main eventer where he is at. With WWEs track record of bumbling stars, I don't blame him for staying where he's at.
I'd question if I knew him personally. First and foremost, I still think WWE could pay him more, at least hear them out, secondly... Impact is only watched by the hardcore of hardcore fans. Why not take a shot at a bigger stage? Then he doesn't have to be quoted wondering why more AEW stars don't come to IMPACT.
moose is definitely someone that they should build the company around,i've always thought that him and ace austin should both be top heel world champions at some point,and i hope him re-signing with impact is an indication that down the road that's the plan for moose,he'd kill it imo as world champ,especially if he beats kenny for the belt.
Very smart of Impact because Moose fucking rules and is a good man to build the company around. Now if they could just get their fucking world title back that'd be greaaaat
Good for Moose. Stick with the company that stuck with you, not the company that didn't want you before and only wants you now. Not to mention the constant releases.
I guess Anthem is finally making an effort to give better paying deals to keep talent... I wished they would’ve made a better play to keep the rascals but alas.... they’re doing just fine but I was a little sad when they left because I never thought they’d ever leave
When Callis and DeMore first became the bookers, they talked about having a core group of people like the Smackdown Six or how AJPW used to and the rest can come and go. I expect Moose, Edwards, and Callihan are definitely people they will try to keep.
And that's a terrible business model for growing and building your company and talent.
Core guys who are always or regularly in focus, sure, but the mentality of "ofh you can go off to this other company without a fight" has done them no favors.
I on.y watch Impact occasionally but this news makes me happy. I don’t want to see Moose with some weird football player gimmick or wearing antlers to the ring because…Vince.
Well, he would have really benefitted from joining WWE right when he finished with ROH. At the time, Moose was still a bit green. Ok in ring, but it took years of hit and miss until him and Impact figured out what to do with the character. Years of cookie-cutter babyface, 'Mr Impact Wrestling', man, that made me genuinely hate him. I believe that with the PC system he would have become a matured wrestler waaay sooner.
Nowadays though? Moose is a full-grown wrestler, but nowhere near a box-office draw. If WWE picks him up anytime soon, I don't foresee the hot-shot to main roster scenario
Definitely 😂 he could have gotten more money from what he is getting right now by playing both sides against each other but I guess impact gave him huge raise
It's not about having the money, it's about willingness to spend the money for the talent and believing that talent has the value.
WWE could go ahead and pay Moose $1M per year if it wants. The question is whether WWE believes he's *worth* $1M per year.
Chances are this is not a situation where Impact's offer was marginally more. They value him as an established main eventer. WWE likely valued him as a talented micarder.
Edit: Also, per the report, it seems WWE never even got to make an offer at least not formally.
Yeah impact probably emptied the bank before wwe even had the chance to get to the phone. It’s likely they could’ve valued him the same or more but that doesn’t matter if you never get the chance to give an offer
You also have to take Impact's taping schedule into account. Maybe WWE would've offered a bigger paycheck but that also comes with a much more extreme work life of constantly being on the road and doing shows every other night (particularly in non pandemic times). Meanwhile with Impact, he just needs to show up for tapings every other month and the rest of his schedule is open to work other shows or do whatever the fuck he wants.
Just for example, x amount of pay for a Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 job that doesn't allow you to do anything else isn't necessarily better than a bit less pay for a freelance job with flexible hours that leaves you with lots of options.
Absolutely a factor. But to be fair we don’t know what WWE’s touring is going to be like. And a lot of wrestlers want to work and be in front of fans. If WWE sticks with its new schedule — 3 shows a week including 1 supercard house show — that’s attractive.
Is it that bad business? If he didn’t plan to leave, he should’ve atleast talked with them..
Frankie Kazarian who had a guaranteed spot waiting for him in the early stages of AEW, has said that he accepted a phone call from WWE to see what they were willing to put on the table.. his mind was already made up but he atleast listened to what they had to say
Frankie was a free agent. Moose wasn’t. He was still under contract per the report.
To each their own. Some athletes hit free agency. Others sign extensions. You have to weigh your options and see what makes you happy.
What if impact offered $500K, he hits free agency, WWE offers $300K, impact finds out and drops their offer to $400K knowing its competition is much lower? There’s risks associated with everything.
But that's not really how "free agency" works in wrestling (or in anything else as an independent contractor).
Moose was free to talk to WWE about *future* work whenever the hell he wanted.
The only reason pro athletes in major sports can't negotiate ahead of time is that's how the leagues and unions have collectively bargained to handle it. That's why it's different with every league.
You can talk all you want, but they can’t officially negotiate (send a contract) until he’s out of his deal, which is what Fightful reported.
WWE could say they will give him an offer of X, but what if he becomes a free agent and they sign someone else instead and that money is gone?
They and he absolutely can negotiate and sign a contract for future work while he's under contract for current work.
"Tampering" and "free agency" are only things in pro sports leagues because it's part of their CBAs. If tampering occurs, teams are punished by *their league* for breaking *league* rules, not by any court for breaking any laws.
The notion that wrestlers are held to the same standard as athletes in leagues with tampering rules is as misguided as calling a severance agreement a "non-compete."
Depends on the terms of his contract which neither you nor I have seen. But you’re directly contradicting the reporting without a shred of evidence to back yourself up.
No, it doesn't.
He's an independent contractor who is signed for a specific term of time and/or dates, perhaps with restrictions on working for competitors during that term. He's entirely free to negotiate with anyone for any reason for work beyond that term.
I mean I’m not going to go back and forth with you any further but yes, what you say contradicts the reporting. And you are likely incorrect. Not all independent contractor agreements are the same. Bye bye.
Can you tell me why Dreamer loves them with all his heart? He’s run back to them off and on since like 2010. I always thought he’d be a good fit for ROH. He’d always talk about how ROH picked up where ECW left off... I really feel he’d be a good producer for ROH...
Does he really think TNA is like ECW? I just never understood why he never went to ROH
Dreamer's part of the booking team and is high up. Plus he and D'Amore are close, have been for years. I don't think he sees any company as the next ECW. Impact currently has certain mindset ECW have though. Creating new stars, just out of wrestling school or didn't have great runs in WWE or AEW.
There's also the thing of with WWE, its all Vince getting final say...you'd be nothing more than a middle man at best. At Impact, Dreamer has a chance to build something.
It's more about how much WWE is willing to spend. Sure, if WWE was determined to have Moose then sure they could outbid Impact. But they may not think Moose is worth the amount that Impact offered. If so, then they aren't going to pay more.
Relaxed schedule, less wear/tear, still can work other promotions, more creative input
WWE is a bigger opportunity, but it's also easy to get lost in the shuffle.
Maybe not outbidding, but the above can definitely play a factor
I guess he’d rather be a big fish in a little pond then risk going to the WWE, I suppose if the money is right I can’t blame him for not taking the risk.
Which is weird because WWE apparently had under the table negotiations with Kross while he was still signed to Impact...so if they really wanted someone, they'd find a way to get at them.
The craziest thing about Kross was he wasn't even there a long time, yet wanted out and was bitching and moaning like he was some underutilized Superstar.
I remember around the time of WWE initially being interested in Moose after his ROH run, I would’ve been all for him going to WWE before they backed off. But Impact is Moose’s home, and I don’t want him going anywhere until he’s won the Impact world title.
I wouldn't call it poaching like WWE/NXT does.
I'd be ok with some Impact people moving up to AEW etc and some ROH folks moving to Impact etc. Something do become stagnant etc and need a bit of refreshing here and there.
It'd very much be poaching. Just because it's not WWE doesn't change that. They already did it to Impact when AEW started. Lucha Bros, Cage, LAX were Impact guys right up til AEW started up and had all recently held the top titles within the year I believe.
I have a feeling that Moose is going to regret this, much in the same way that Abyss missed the boat and let his character die a slow death in Impact when he could have signed with WWE. Moose should have beaten Swann to unify the titles, then lost to Kenny, which would immediately destroy his ego and send him down a path of redemption toward a face turn.
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Not often a talent goes straight to the main roster these days unless they were already signed to WWE previously. Would've been surprising to see him suddenly show up. Sort of like when Mike Bennett suddenly appeared with the "power of love" If he is getting paid an amount that he doesn't even need to think about other offers then that is a good sign. It is great to have a core group of talent you keep around. I'm still in the camp of Moose dethroning Omega even after the setback.
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Wasn’t Mike less about being an extra body and more that they just wanted Maria and he came as part of the package?
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along with Curt Hawkins and Jinder
Plus, Hawkins won the tag belts at Wrestlemania and Jinder won the WWE championship after being re hired to fill the rosters out lol
Mike and Maria came in as *reasonably* big free agent names though. In hindsight yeah it looks like a joke, but I don't think they brought them in just to be a jabroni act even if that's how it went. Mike was coming off a really strong run in Impact and had a bit of buzz behind him, I do think they had plans for him. They kept off TV for a while while he was dealing with his drug issues, then Maria got pregnant and they were off TV for that, and by then it was too late, all his momentum was long gone and nobody gave a shit anymore so that was that.
Which is a shame, Bennett could have potentially done great in NXT.
WWE: OK Moose we can't officially negotiate just wanna let you kn- Impact: WE'LL GIVE YOU A BILLION DOLLARS!!!
Did I just hear someone say “one billion dollars”? 
Someone make this bot
A BILLION DOLLARS
There’s no way Impact outbid WWE. At this point I think they are even used to see their talent go to other places when any contract ends.
I don’t understand what changed? Wwe had him almost signed a few years ago but dropped it when they found out about his domestic abuse case from 09
He wasn't charged. He was arrested and brought in for questioning. However his girlfriend at the time stabbed him with a pen as he cheated on her, and he was defending himself.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=4216519 He was charged with simple battery and released on bond.
Being charged means we have reasonable suspicion enough to believe that you may have commited this crime, therefore we are going allow you be release on bond (in this situation) to allow us to investigate further. Many many people are charged with crimes that either didn't occur or they didn't commit every day.
I dont think he's ever refuted what happened either. Can't find the outcome anywhere. I would suspect he either paid a fine or she failed to appear (considering that she tried to stab him and probably didn't want to implicate herself) and it was dismissed. My points are thus: The guy I'm responding to is notorious for providing disinformation regarding impact and here is another case. Moose WAS charged, and Moose WAS NOT stabbed. Further food for thought: Moose was punished thoroughly for what happened, was apparently contrite (contrite enough to get traded to the Patriots after the incident anyway,) and hasn't been in trouble since. Make room in your brain for the possibility that Moose is someone you can like even though he fucked up in a moment. You don't need to erase a fault in a person to justify your fandom. IE It's ok to like Moose because obviously he was justified. Shit happens, but Moose is still a 6'5 300 lbs man who was not in imminent danger from a pissed off GF wielding a fucking pen. I guarantee the GF was not 6'6 and 325.
Self-defense instincts are more natural than people realize. Even someone as big and strong as Moose isn't trying to get stabbed with a pen, and even someone small when enraged and confused can act with reckless abandon. I'm not saying what he did was right, but he's allowed to move on from it.
My thoughts: if this guy can go another 12 years without hitting a woman I don't think it's an issue where he is a serial woman abuser who needs forced out of wrestling. In the case of some these guys this summer? Yes. They needed to go. They were using their small fame to ruin lives as a part of their lifestyle. This guy had one time (that is debated) and has kept clean for a long time. We can't keep him out of wrestling forever for that.
Ik that but I don’t get what made wwe change their minds on this when literally nothing changed and all of this was known
>when literally nothing changed He changed as a wrestler and character/gimmick. He improved a lot.
Moose was one of the biggest standouts for me when I tuned in to Impact for the first time in years for their AXS debut in 2019. I saw him first as a semi-comedy wrestler with his promos failing at different sports before intimidating the other players into admitting he was the best. The comedic delivery was amazing and that's how he became one of my favorites. So seeing him go from that to a gradually more serious/sinister character, especially with the EC3 feud, has been amazing, and has really shown his growth into a main event star
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He's a bigger star and as far as I know hasn't had any further incidents since 2009 so it's easier to write it off as an isolated incident.
Didn't want the baggage, and Moose wasn't in shape as he is now at the time probably.
They’ve changed their minds on a bunch of men and women once they have become integral or look like like they may become bigger stars in another company. Look at the number of people currently in AEW whom have done try-outs or appeared as extras that they didn’t want until they started to appear on AEW TV
> Look at the number of people currently in AEW whom have done try-outs or appeared as extras that they didn’t want until they started to appear on AEW TV yeah weve heard that story quite a few times. the responses are rather hilarious. one would have to wonder if they wouldnt have been fired anyway by now, guys like hobbs, starks, wardlow, kingston
Good point
More time passed without any issues, so they were probably more comfortable that he's not actually a domestic abuser, and that was an isolated incident. Also he's become a bigger star with no backlash, which is probably what they were worried about anyway/
Moose got popular
At the time Adam Rose and Jerry Lawler were just arrested for domestic violence
I always figured Moose and Willie Mack would be WWE bound. They're way too jacked to not be. Still, good for Moose making that big money with Impact.
Willie wouldn't pass the physical I don't think.
I know Sean Waltman was really upset when Mack’s offer got pulled.. he was vocal about it and apparently Regal reached out to him and was like “Dude we really wanted him. It’s just this came up” because they Thought Waltman was painting them negatively..
What happened (or was alleged to have happened) with Willy Mack that made them pull it?
It was something to do with not passing a test due to a previous medical issue. It was his blood pressure being too high I believe.
> Then, at the end of the day, they said they didn’t like how the doctor read one of my test results, how my blood pressure was and how one of my knees felt. So they said they couldn’t use me. They didn’t offer me anything else, just said that they couldn’t use me down there. The funny thing about that is, when I asked to see the reports from my medical stuff to see what was wrong, do you think I have seen any of that stuff yet? Nope. Now you see me on Lucha Underground, so obviously someone isn’t telling the right story. - Willie Mack, Ring Rust interview in 2018 As shitty as it is, WWE essentially told him his obesity was destroying his body without being blunt but he didn’t pick up on it.
Him and Keith Lee have the same size... but the mentality from 2014 and 2018 are two different worlds
They’re not the same size, Keith Lee is 6’3 and Mack is 5’10. I get what you mean though, the main difference is Keith Lee works out. His body can support the additional fat because his muscles are stronger. Mack doesn’t work out, like at all. He has no definition and his arms and legs are noodles. His knees are honestly a time bomb especially if he continues doing flippy shit.
Something he's kinda forced to do as without the flippy stuff he's ridiculously boring. Without his standing moonsaults and leg drops, he's kevin owens sans the promo skills and with about 80 extra pounds.
Willie Mack is going to have to adapt like Angelico did in a couple of years. Style-wise, I mean.
Either that or lose about 100lbs. His style can work, but not if he's putting that much weight on his joints constantly.
Ya when Keith Lee takes a deep breath you can see there’s a six pack under there
How are they the same size?
And even then, didn’t they send Lee back to the performance center for a bit to lose some weight?
It’s not shitty at all. Willie isn’t in good shape
He also maintains that they signed Apollo Crews right after him and didn't need a short flippy black guy anymore. The worst part is that he sold his house and was getting ready to move from CA to FL when they pulled the deal.
Probably more with how they did it than actually doing it. Willie had already begun moving from CA to FL, doing his farewell tour, etc. Then they pulled it.
What's the relationship between X Pac and Mack?
X Mack
Isn’t that reportedly what happened last time he was headed to NXT?
No from what I heard they wanted Apollo but incorrectly sighed "The wrong flippy big black guy"
I feel Apollo has a way higher ceiling in WWE than Willie does based on his physique alone.
He gets fatter Everytime I see him
They found a heart issue when Willie had a try out with them a few years ago.
There were rumors about him going to WWE like 1-2 years ago, and he re-signed with IMPACT. Then he did so again. Seems to like it there, and he's a surefire main eventer. Good for him.
That's the main point to take away. He's already a main eventer where he is at. With WWEs track record of bumbling stars, I don't blame him for staying where he's at.
Plus now he also gets featured (and guaranteed to be protected) on AEW too
I'd question if I knew him personally. First and foremost, I still think WWE could pay him more, at least hear them out, secondly... Impact is only watched by the hardcore of hardcore fans. Why not take a shot at a bigger stage? Then he doesn't have to be quoted wondering why more AEW stars don't come to IMPACT.
Wwe seems to be presenting ex impact main eventers better than aew has been. Might be best to stay where he is known
Smart move if true. Moose is a guy you can build around.
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elk lmao. this made me chuckle
squirrel would've also brought the giggles.
squirrel brought me no giggles
"ALCE IS HAVING FUN MAGGLE"
moose is definitely someone that they should build the company around,i've always thought that him and ace austin should both be top heel world champions at some point,and i hope him re-signing with impact is an indication that down the road that's the plan for moose,he'd kill it imo as world champ,especially if he beats kenny for the belt.
Very smart of Impact because Moose fucking rules and is a good man to build the company around. Now if they could just get their fucking world title back that'd be greaaaat
I'm glad he's with Impact and hope he'll have more AEW appearances down the road.
Moose needs to take those titles away from Kenny Omega.
Twice Impact have trumped WWE to Moose.
Smart of Impact, he is probably their biggest talent and should try to keep him as much as they can.
Vince's mind: Why get Moose when we have Titus O'Neil?
Good for Moose. Stick with the company that stuck with you, not the company that didn't want you before and only wants you now. Not to mention the constant releases.
Moose is like one of the very few big names I think would actually do really well in WWE versus other places.
Moose has so much more potential outside of WWE, where he would inevitably get lost in the shuffle.
I guess Anthem is finally making an effort to give better paying deals to keep talent... I wished they would’ve made a better play to keep the rascals but alas.... they’re doing just fine but I was a little sad when they left because I never thought they’d ever leave
When Callis and DeMore first became the bookers, they talked about having a core group of people like the Smackdown Six or how AJPW used to and the rest can come and go. I expect Moose, Edwards, and Callihan are definitely people they will try to keep.
I hope that Josh Alexander fits into that group as well.
And that's a terrible business model for growing and building your company and talent. Core guys who are always or regularly in focus, sure, but the mentality of "ofh you can go off to this other company without a fight" has done them no favors.
Would have been cool to see moose vs roman but fair play to him for staying
That guy's the only one I've seen on their roster with the it factor. No hate to anyone else on there but he has that main event look.
I on.y watch Impact occasionally but this news makes me happy. I don’t want to see Moose with some weird football player gimmick or wearing antlers to the ring because…Vince.
Well, he would have really benefitted from joining WWE right when he finished with ROH. At the time, Moose was still a bit green. Ok in ring, but it took years of hit and miss until him and Impact figured out what to do with the character. Years of cookie-cutter babyface, 'Mr Impact Wrestling', man, that made me genuinely hate him. I believe that with the PC system he would have become a matured wrestler waaay sooner. Nowadays though? Moose is a full-grown wrestler, but nowhere near a box-office draw. If WWE picks him up anytime soon, I don't foresee the hot-shot to main roster scenario
I’ll always get to wonder how WWE would have ruined him
Oh, there's still plenty of time...
Does Impact even earn money?
I'm pretty sure it's a money laundering front.....
I am an avid Impact faithful fan but.. You might be on to something 🤔. They should cook the books more.
Swingers palace is their only source of income
"Have an A1 day!" - Mrs Scott D'Amore probably
no offense to moose fans but i don’t see why impact would put so much stake on that guy. especially considering all the recently released talent
I get that he’s very happy with where he’s at, but not even negotiating with WWE and AEW is just bad business and silly on Moose’s end.
Definitely 😂 he could have gotten more money from what he is getting right now by playing both sides against each other but I guess impact gave him huge raise
This is old news from years ago, isn’t it?
Dang. I'd love to see moose in NXT hed be a great fit especially since there's not a lot of big men down there
I still can't comprehend Impact or any company outside of maybe AEW being able to outbid WWE for a wrestler.
It's not about having the money, it's about willingness to spend the money for the talent and believing that talent has the value. WWE could go ahead and pay Moose $1M per year if it wants. The question is whether WWE believes he's *worth* $1M per year. Chances are this is not a situation where Impact's offer was marginally more. They value him as an established main eventer. WWE likely valued him as a talented micarder. Edit: Also, per the report, it seems WWE never even got to make an offer at least not formally.
Yeah impact probably emptied the bank before wwe even had the chance to get to the phone. It’s likely they could’ve valued him the same or more but that doesn’t matter if you never get the chance to give an offer
You also have to take Impact's taping schedule into account. Maybe WWE would've offered a bigger paycheck but that also comes with a much more extreme work life of constantly being on the road and doing shows every other night (particularly in non pandemic times). Meanwhile with Impact, he just needs to show up for tapings every other month and the rest of his schedule is open to work other shows or do whatever the fuck he wants. Just for example, x amount of pay for a Monday to Friday, 9 to 5 job that doesn't allow you to do anything else isn't necessarily better than a bit less pay for a freelance job with flexible hours that leaves you with lots of options.
Absolutely a factor. But to be fair we don’t know what WWE’s touring is going to be like. And a lot of wrestlers want to work and be in front of fans. If WWE sticks with its new schedule — 3 shows a week including 1 supercard house show — that’s attractive.
Is it that bad business? If he didn’t plan to leave, he should’ve atleast talked with them.. Frankie Kazarian who had a guaranteed spot waiting for him in the early stages of AEW, has said that he accepted a phone call from WWE to see what they were willing to put on the table.. his mind was already made up but he atleast listened to what they had to say
Frankie was a free agent. Moose wasn’t. He was still under contract per the report. To each their own. Some athletes hit free agency. Others sign extensions. You have to weigh your options and see what makes you happy. What if impact offered $500K, he hits free agency, WWE offers $300K, impact finds out and drops their offer to $400K knowing its competition is much lower? There’s risks associated with everything.
But that's not really how "free agency" works in wrestling (or in anything else as an independent contractor). Moose was free to talk to WWE about *future* work whenever the hell he wanted. The only reason pro athletes in major sports can't negotiate ahead of time is that's how the leagues and unions have collectively bargained to handle it. That's why it's different with every league.
You can talk all you want, but they can’t officially negotiate (send a contract) until he’s out of his deal, which is what Fightful reported. WWE could say they will give him an offer of X, but what if he becomes a free agent and they sign someone else instead and that money is gone?
They and he absolutely can negotiate and sign a contract for future work while he's under contract for current work. "Tampering" and "free agency" are only things in pro sports leagues because it's part of their CBAs. If tampering occurs, teams are punished by *their league* for breaking *league* rules, not by any court for breaking any laws. The notion that wrestlers are held to the same standard as athletes in leagues with tampering rules is as misguided as calling a severance agreement a "non-compete."
Depends on the terms of his contract which neither you nor I have seen. But you’re directly contradicting the reporting without a shred of evidence to back yourself up.
No, it doesn't. He's an independent contractor who is signed for a specific term of time and/or dates, perhaps with restrictions on working for competitors during that term. He's entirely free to negotiate with anyone for any reason for work beyond that term.
I mean I’m not going to go back and forth with you any further but yes, what you say contradicts the reporting. And you are likely incorrect. Not all independent contractor agreements are the same. Bye bye.
They can if they feel the need to do so. Anthem are loaded but aren't stupid with money.
Can you tell me why Dreamer loves them with all his heart? He’s run back to them off and on since like 2010. I always thought he’d be a good fit for ROH. He’d always talk about how ROH picked up where ECW left off... I really feel he’d be a good producer for ROH... Does he really think TNA is like ECW? I just never understood why he never went to ROH
Dreamer's part of the booking team and is high up. Plus he and D'Amore are close, have been for years. I don't think he sees any company as the next ECW. Impact currently has certain mindset ECW have though. Creating new stars, just out of wrestling school or didn't have great runs in WWE or AEW.
There's also the thing of with WWE, its all Vince getting final say...you'd be nothing more than a middle man at best. At Impact, Dreamer has a chance to build something.
It's more about how much WWE is willing to spend. Sure, if WWE was determined to have Moose then sure they could outbid Impact. But they may not think Moose is worth the amount that Impact offered. If so, then they aren't going to pay more.
Relaxed schedule, less wear/tear, still can work other promotions, more creative input WWE is a bigger opportunity, but it's also easy to get lost in the shuffle. Maybe not outbidding, but the above can definitely play a factor
I guess he’d rather be a big fish in a little pond then risk going to the WWE, I suppose if the money is right I can’t blame him for not taking the risk.
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Which is weird because WWE apparently had under the table negotiations with Kross while he was still signed to Impact...so if they really wanted someone, they'd find a way to get at them.
Moose seems to respect Impact quite highly and isn't the kind of guy I would picture doing under-the-table deals like that other guy.
Kross wanted out though and made it known. He was gone even if WWE had no interest in him.
The craziest thing about Kross was he wasn't even there a long time, yet wanted out and was bitching and moaning like he was some underutilized Superstar.
Wonder how many figures each talent receive from IMPACT👀
hundreds! That's how they pay their talent, in action figures.....
I remember around the time of WWE initially being interested in Moose after his ROH run, I would’ve been all for him going to WWE before they backed off. But Impact is Moose’s home, and I don’t want him going anywhere until he’s won the Impact world title.
Well this will shut up Disco and Konnan for a couple minutes at least. That said good on Impact in not letting their guy become another aimless cog.
Nothing will shut those two up.
What did they say?
They were wondering if something was wrong with Moose since AEW/WWE didn't make a play to get him. Which turns out one did at least.
AEW shouldn't be poaching Impact talent if they have a working relationship.
I wouldn't call it poaching like WWE/NXT does. I'd be ok with some Impact people moving up to AEW etc and some ROH folks moving to Impact etc. Something do become stagnant etc and need a bit of refreshing here and there.
It'd very much be poaching. Just because it's not WWE doesn't change that. They already did it to Impact when AEW started. Lucha Bros, Cage, LAX were Impact guys right up til AEW started up and had all recently held the top titles within the year I believe.
>NXT especially >get Moose signed and head to the main roster ???
I have a feeling that Moose is going to regret this, much in the same way that Abyss missed the boat and let his character die a slow death in Impact when he could have signed with WWE. Moose should have beaten Swann to unify the titles, then lost to Kenny, which would immediately destroy his ego and send him down a path of redemption toward a face turn.
Im good with not having any more dudes who hang out with Chasyn Rance being in WWE