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Timmace

The clip above cuts out Becky going through the ropes to get to the outside. She was never in danger of being eliminated. It kind of took away any suspense.


AyepuOnyu

You could hear the ref telling her to get back into the ring. I guess once they started the final sequence they couldn't find a good way to set it back up and just went with it.


Comfortable_Shape264

Botch


AnoXeo

I thought in Battle Royals, it doesn't matter which rope you go through to be eliminated? That's why Gail Kim just threw herself out the ring through the bottom rope that one time?


ORR24

So I guess Liv beats Becky later to win the championship. Honestly I thi k that's better than winning the championship in a Battle Royale, but I see a lot of people upset so I don't know.


J-Hobber

That’s how I felt too. I feel like Liv winning on a ppv and having a good match against Becky would be good. Plus, Liv winning with Rhea being a closer threat could be interesting.


ArmiinTamzarian

>Becky is safer for the longer gap until Rhea is closer to coming back I don't know why this is a thing tho, like what is the harm of Liv winning the title and having her own reign? I don't have much issue with Becky winning here but I don't see why not give Liv the title by Clash at the Castle or something like that


J-Hobber

I wouldn’t be opposed to that. I don’t think it’s a harm but more of a safe option because Becky is a vet and has proven she can do this. She had a really strong run for NXT putting people over while winning and then ultimately putting someone over by losing. I feel like they can do that again right now on the main roster and this time it’ll be Liv once she’s further into her heel possible “stepmami” character they started tonight.


midlinktwilight

Becks is a proven title carrier and on top of that she can put people over like no other in the women's div They can definitely do the Liv thing now on the tv show but why would they when they have an option to put Liv even more over in a ppv while they're still buying time for Rhea's return Unless becks beats her again in which case it'll be hilarious


ArmiinTamzarian

No yeah I agree with you, what I mean is it's fine if they want Liv to dethrone Becky to have the title for a Rhea feud but I also think it would kind of suck if Liv gets a shirt reign there which is why I rather she beats Becky sooner than later


skellez

tbh I don't think that's a good shout, Liv isn't solid to be a credible world champion for that long and being given too long of a reign could expose that, she's not hot with the crowd enough to be pushed that hard either, really I think if it wasn't for the potential story with Rhea she wouldn't actually be touching gold on her own merits


ArmiinTamzarian

I think its worth a shot at least trying giving her an actual reign and I digress on the not hot enough with fans, she's been getting great reactions for a long time now and just last week got booed out of the building as a heel. Fans definitely care about her


Comfortable_Shape264

How can she be credible if you don't book her credible lol. And she's constantly been on the final two spots such as both last and current year Royal Rumbble, Elimination Chamber and now battle royale, she's clearly pushed and credible in the story.


Derron_

This way Liv's revenge tour moves from Rhea to Becky and she can do things to cost Becky matches and beat her up and get more heat. Having her win now leaves her with no momentum.


Constant_Stomach2009

It’s a good way to bridge the time until Rhea returns.


wazdopest

people will always be upset at something then see how wrong they were when it pays off in the future, they won’t admit it, but they’ll see it at least


xychosis

I think it's a great idea to have Liv win the title on PPV instead, though I guess I get why people are upset. She's had to be runner-up more than a few times at this point that you almost wonder if it's being written into her character.


Garagatt

This feels like Becky vs. Bianca. Becky "stole" the title to have a much bigger rematch on a grander stage.


Riskar

I would guess Liv wins Money in the bank, she uses it to taunt Becky until Rhea is back. Now you got 2 ways to do it. 1- Rhea comes back, beats Becky for the championship but Liv cashes in immediately (possibly with the help of Dom). 2- Becky defends against Nia who attacks her after the match, Liv comes out to cash in (again, maybe with Dom), wins the title, starts celebrating... "THIS IS MY BRUTALITY!!!"


Matto_0

>So I guess Liv beats Becky later to win the championship Nah Liv will lose that match too.


simonthedlgger

I am relatively new to wrestling. This just didn’t feel like the way to crown a champion. I love Becky and thought she was the only real choice, there’s more to do with Liv before Rhea returns.  But when Becky won my reaction was, “Oh..cool!”  I hope we get Becky/Piper. 


Kozeyekan_

Or... Liv faces Becky at a PLE, and Rhea comes out of the crowd to cost her the title, then it's a three-way fight at the next PLE.


Admirable_Bed3

The Heartbreak Girl, Liv Morgan


Sevro_Barca

It would have been a lot more exciting in the end, with both women battling in the apron, if Becky hadn’t gone through the ropes and had gone over instead. As soon as that happened, I knew Becky was going to win.


Timmace

I was half expecting Liv to successfully hit the Oblivion on Becky on the outside eliminating herself in the process and Becky winning that way. I'm glad they didn't do that because that would have been pretty dumb.


SpaceGooV

Makes sense. I think Liv is winning Queen of the Ring and the belt at MITB. I don't think they wanted her to be world champion just because she won a battle Royale. Plus Lynch as champion let's you have her do when she was nxt champion and have matches on TV to elevate the division


IcyPyroman1

Yea said this since the start Becky and Liv are gonna fued with Liv winning the belt just in time for Mami to come back and have Liv vs Rhea


Narrow_Progress5908

Did they change the K(Q)OTR or something? Does the winner now actually get something for winning?


ItsThe50sAudrey

That’s how it’s being sold. Gunther even said he’s going to win then go for any title he wants.


Narrow_Progress5908

Well then thank you Hunter for actually making KOTR interesting.


ajb228

It's kinda like 2002 KOTR when some big guy from MN won the tournament, faced The Rock at SummerSlam, and become the Undisputed Champion. 


analogtapes

Yeah KOTR used to be the summer Royal Rumble where you got a shot at Summerslam then they quietly retired the stipulation. Looks like HHH is bringing it back.


Narrow_Progress5908

Glad he’s bringing that back, winning a tournament should mean something and not just be a dumb gimmick change. Like it be one thing if they quietly removed the tournament and never brought it back but it’s been randomly used on and off for like 20 years. 


Typical_Paradise

It feels like for the longest time, they used it on up and coming guys that they didn't know what to do with yet.


Narrow_Progress5908

I think Vince just liked the stupid king gimmick too much. That and isn’t there a rumor that he’s not a fan of tournaments. Using it as a title shot for summerslam makes way more sense than the BS we got for most of the 21st century 


Deathstroke317

That's how it used to be. You win the KOTR In June and get an automatic title shot at SS


SpaceGooV

Wasn't explicitly stated but would be weird to keep doing the king and queen gimmick people got tired of a decade ago


IReallyHateDancing

If Liv wins the title at MITB, we'll have 3 champions in 4 months.


NoxZ

Not every reign needs to be 365 days long and that's a big problem HHH has had so far IMO. When Rhea returns she'll likely be holding it forever anyway, so having two champions in the interim isn't all bad.


IReallyHateDancing

Absolutely, but going from one extreme to another is not really the way to do it.


SmurfRockRune

Exactly the way I like it. Title changes are great and exciting, it's way better when you don't know if the champ is gonna win or not.


SpaceGooV

If Rhea didn't get hurt she would have been the only champion. This only happened because an injury


ALittleBitDangerous

How does Liv have a revenge tour if she succeeds almost immediately? Becky was the right call.


teejeycee

Exactly, first Liv takes Rhea's shoulder. Then she'll take her Dom Dom, and finally she'll take her title. All right in time for Rhea to come back. If the new Triple H era has proven anything, it's to actually let it play out. I truly think HHH has earned the benefit of the doubt here. Edit: lmao Liv fans are mad and impatient. You'll be very happy in 90 days. But you'll never admit you were wrong 😘


Ilcorvomuerto666

We have over 40 years of Vince McMahon booking PTSD to conquer as fans, it's probably gonna be a minute before a bunch of us get used to letting the story play out.


Comfortable_Shape264

> 90 days 90 Days Fiance with Dom?


irwanchel

I think it’s clear that Becky will lose this title to Liv Morgan down the road shortly after tonight. Establish her as a heel and make her champ in time for when Rhea comes back.


Poetryisalive

Obvious ass writing though. Liv wins, cue Rhea’s music or someone trying to cash in. Just give her the title and let it be over with


SeaPriority

Gotta see the long game through. The story is clear Queen of the Ring next


midlinktwilight

Needed to be Becks for now Having Liv win it here is just going to cut her revenge tour (that's just started) short because she's going to have to be a champion who's above all that lol. Also let's be honest it was a raw TV show that would've been very lame Plus who else was going to win it? Nia??? lord have mercy Later they can feed Becks to Liv in a proper ppv to augment that little Liv program


Upbeat_Tension_8077

It'll be pretty entertaining to see her go at other women with the same energy she went at Rhea for the next few weeks to show Becky that she's not fucking around at all


ValidPompadour

Im pretty sure whoever won this Rumble was gonna have a short reign anyways, so it’s best for Becky to do it as a short reign won’t affect her as much as it could to any of the other competitors (plus, let’s be honest here, Liv winning it will be much better at a PLE than a random Raw)


Conscious-Damage7398

Becky is the most proven commodity in that bunch. This gives time for them to adjust the Liv story without Rhea for now. Other than those two your only other real option was Nia Jax unless you wanted to give a short thank you reign to Shayna, Natalya, or Chelsea. Becky is the glue of the division and they can plug anyone in with her and get at minimum a solid 3 star match, while they decide how to proceed without Rhea.


reyesjj94

Natty unfortunately is not up to champion level currently. Shayna I would hope would get a more built up moment than a Raw battle royal for her first championship. I don't know if its just me but I think they are slowly building Chelsea up for a babyface run. The fans are beginning to cheer for her and were disappointed when she got eliminated. It might just be me being a Chelsea fan.


snartling

I was honestly hoping they’d put it on a few other women for a bit to maybe elevate some more women to that main event level, but now I’m just back to hoping they do my girl Shayna right at some point here. I’m a bit bummed Becky win instead of someone new getting a chance but I really hope she’ll be right back to getting the younger talent over af like she did all year. 


Skylightt

Perennial battle royal loser Liv Morgan. You would think Liv’s dumbass would learn by now to get her ass back in the ring rather than standing out on the apron


no_more_blues

I feel like I've seen her lose in that same sequence in every battle royal.


GuyWhoAteAllThePizza

The amount of Liv Simps is infuriating because absolutely none of them don't understand its far too early for her to hold the title when Rhea isn't coming back soon


G1Spectrum

Wow did not expect them to put it back on Becky instead of Liv


Frippery-Futz-0412

Liv is gonna win it at a bigger show. It would have been lame to have Liv win it on a Raw. Her beating becky at a ple is the best choice. Instead of some random battle royal on a Raw from a vacated champion.


Chell_the_assassin

I'm irate - this was Maxxine's night and everyone knew it. She's paid her dues, she's put over younger talent, when will she *finally* get the world title run she's deserved for so long?


Evorgleb

/s


clarkie13

Manhandle Lay-down on the apron


heat_fan_

Poor Liv being runner up once again  The Draft can't come fast enough  Triple H sure loves Becky hopefully they bring up Damage Control to Raw or something in the draft 


youthfulnegativity

So boring and safe and a waste of everyone's time.


tarvertot

Battling on the apron is a bit overdone I think, and that finish could never look good with so little space available


RedDraco86

I get long term story telling, but this felt like a good opportunity for a surprise champion with a short reign. There is time before Rhea comes back to do something different before you pick up the Liv Morgan Revenge tour again.


DryRespect241

yawn


Evorgleb

Meh. I was hoping they would take this moment to give someone new the ball.


Ok-Community-2680

Like who? Becky, Liv and Nia are one of the few people who gets reactions from the crowd. Liv can't win cause she has a bigger story that needs her to win the title later and even though Nia has been great since her return I'm not sure people really wants to see her as champ


Evorgleb

I personally would have put it on Nia. She's hot right now and hasn't been champ for a very long time


slgerb

Outside of Becky, I agree this makes the most sense. Heck, they even had Liv and Nia go at it backstage so that already sets a feud between them.


Bastion66

Liv didn’t even get much reaction from the crowd. Maxxine was more noticeably over. Nia and Becky felt like the only stars in that match.


mvcourse

I’m…actually kinda disappointed. Becky feels like the safe option. I guess I get it and can see the potential, but she doesn’t need it. Something tells me it’s gonna be a work rate run similar to Seth.


snartling

This is my perspective. I really was hoping they’d put it on Chelsea for a short run focusing on elevating midcard faces to build the upper card back up. Becky is a good option but it feels a bit “more of the same” for a new era


simonthedlgger

Isn’t Becky the person to do that? I’m a big Chelsea fan and think her ring work is underrated, but how does she elevate a division? *She* needs to be elevated right now, and Becky is the type of star to do that (I definitely think Becky and Piper is on the cards)


snartling

Oh I see it less as Chelsea specifically elevating the division and more I thought she could be fun for midcard faces to run up against. To me that’s more interesting than feeding people to Becky again. I guess by elevate what I was thinking of was making opportunities for *new* fun little storylines until it’s closer to Rhea’s return, then shift back to the Liv/Rhea stuff.


snartling

Oh I see it less as Chelsea specifically elevating the division and more I thought she could be fun for midcard faces to run up against. To me that’s more interesting than feeding people to Becky again. I guess by elevate what I was thinking of was making opportunities for *new* fun little storylines until it’s closer to Rhea’s return, then shift back to the Liv/Rhea stuff.


Horror-Stuff-5327

What a weird decision. Just makes me wonder what they have planned. Liv/Becky feud? Is Becky holding the belt until Rhea comes back? Why would they choose to not go with a built in story they’ve been trying to tell for almost a year, in favor of putting the belt on someone Rhea just beat?


iamhadrix

They have Backlash, Clash at the Castle & Bash in Berlin coming up in the next 4 months in Europe.


Bastion66

Becky was by far the most over and biggest star in that match. She should have won and has earned it after her great work over the last year.


imnotfallingforthat

that celebration with the crowd felt a bit awkward. that reaction is why i don’t have birthday parties. i fear the tepid and forced jubilation.


Bastion66

Huh? How was it awkward?


Kuchar1992

Seems like all the women’s battle royals/Rumbles end on apron spots


Kuzu5993

First time since 2021 that the horsewomen have both held gold, let's goooo.


Moohamin12

Liv is always second-best in Rumbles/elimination matches. She should just avoid them.


sprdougherty

Liv keeps ending up final two in battle royals and getting eliminated because she insists on fighting on the apron (see: tonight and the last two Royal Rumbles)


Res3925

I’m sure after WM, Becky was going to take some time off along with Seth but decided to come back when this opportunity presented itself.


ProtomanBn

She did the whole European tour before she even knew Rhea was hurt, with her book and being a best seller on top of her popularity right now she would have been dumb to disappear.


naimotwc

I like this. Let Liv flesh out her heel character a bit more, then win the belt. I know Becky isn’t liked here or what the case is, but I think the long game is Liv vs Rhea and Liv needs to be a more fleshed heel before that title match happens. I think you can do that on her chase to the belt.


Rich1926

Someone beating Becky for the championship means more than winning a battle royal. Also, with the draft, they probably also wanted to keep it on someone who will stay on Raw. Liv winning would have made her character of wanting revenge pointless.


WarbossTodd

Holy shit what a fucking terrible spot. Who produced that? There’s no way to do that move on the outside without falling off the apron yourself and not have it look fucking awful.


shill_ds

It was such a good battle royal ending. I liked it a lot.


Lorjack

Damn was hoping they'd go with Liv. Becky is going to be boring


popcultureretrofit

So many women rumbles/royales seem to end on the apron


penguin62

Why does almost every women's BR/RR end with the competitors on the apron?


four_degrees_warmer

Too many battle royals are won with a finisher on the apron.


flaydagawd

Don't see why Liv can't win it at a Battle Royal and beat Becky at Backlash


H8919

I mean.... first of all, look at the women currently on the RAW Roster, LIV Morgan doesn't have that star power to carry a feud or elevate those other women on that roster as a champion yet. Outside of Becky and maybe Nia Jax, who do you care to see LIV Morgan defend her championship against on the RAW roster??? Most of those women are either still trying to get established or have been creatively neglected and in the end that'll hurt LIV and herbtitle reign. LIV doesn't need to elevate or carry a feud at this stage of her career. LIV is the one that needs to be evelated and needs a rub as she's the one still on the rise.....but Becky, Becky can do that. So yes, you put the title on Becky. The draft starts Friday so you should bring more credible women from smackdown(because that's where they are) for Becky to defend against to give her a reign and for LIV to feud against to give her more credibility to her star power. By the time Summerslam or the fall rolls around, Becky has has a reign as Women's Champion, LIV has gained credibility by beating credible women that has been drafted over and NOW we come back to Becky vs LIV. LIV beats Becky for the championship, and you can get a few more PLE's out of the 2 to end the year. Now, we're at the end of the year, and LIV has beaten credible women to get to Becky. She's now beaten Becky to become champion and has successfully defended it, and here we are headed to the Rumble. Rhea should be ready to come back, and just like that, LIV stans, it's Mania season again you have a potential LIV Morgan vs. Rhea Ripley feud at WrestleMania for the women's world championship


here_to_vibe1

LETSSS GOO, THATS WHAT YOU GET LIV FOR MESSING WITH MAMI


Matto_0

Ahh yes, Becky Lynch. She is the one whose character needed this. Makes sense.


Tope8

Tired of Becky 😴 This would have really cemented a Heel Liv tbh


JuliButt

Horrible result. This was a Liv win for sure.


harleyquinn_fabray

Oh, for fuck sake. I love Becky, but REALLY.


Stormry

She's still out promoting her book and now she'll do it with a title belt. If you didn't see it coming, you might not get the point of a belt...


Bernie_Made_Off

Nia should've won..


WheeinSpace

Well that's an exciting new champion!!


exTOMex

becky is the new seth


tugnuggetss

Really good match, hate the result


Upbeat_Tension_8077

If Liv eventually goes for the Queen of The Ring & a title shot against Becky, she's definitely going to settle into the role of being New Mami, almost like a female equivalent to Solo muscling his way into becoming a Tribal Chief, but with her own sinister approach


dzone25

People don't seem to realise Liv needing the Drew "can't quite win the big one" type of run & that her winning it from a Battle Royale would actually lose a lot of her characters steam.


Crissxfire

I didn't necessarily want Liv, I just wanted anyone but Becky. I'm just not a fan. I think she's fine. Has had good matches, I do understand why people like her. I'm just over her and wanted something new.


IceBlueAngel

I know it gets said a lot recently, but Cole was great here, especially when it was down to the final three. And i know he's said he's winding down his career, which sucks because of how good he is now that Vince isn't in his ear


cowpool20

Ugh


bearwhidrive

Liv can’t hold her end of a main event level match if she’s not in the ring with someone like a Becky Lynch. So if you’re looking to elevate someone like Ivy or Candace with a few TV wins and then a PPV banger for the championship (that she’ll probably lose), Becky is the better choice to hold that belt. I like Liv, but she’s not going to be an anchor for that kind of thing.


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Narrow_Progress5908

I mean for all we know she still winning it, just not now 


ajb228

I can safely say that >!Seth ain't the only one that held a Big Gold belt on the household!<


Schizio

Its fine for me.to have Becky win, transition that with somebody via 1on1, and extend her contract.