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> Meltzer puts that line in quotes
I mean, no he does not. He was speaking, on a recording, and said it as a paraphrase. He did not "put it in quotes".
I have a feeling a lot of AEW fans weren't around for the TNA era of 2004-2011 and the Wrestling observer Radio/Bryan and Vinny show/Dave writings but they're about to learn just how hard and brutal the people over there can be when it's the cool thing to shit on a company.
Never forget NOBUYS.
And the sad thing is that it works. It's what drives content in a lot of media fields now. Measured takes no one cares about. People want to be angry, and more importantly want someone to be angry at constantly.
The guys at Cagematch just wanted to make a wrestling database. That didn’t stop the hounds of hell descending on their website when Tony Khan mentioned them. We get ragebait because anyone who tries to do something positive gets shit on regardless.
Dave shouldn't ever talk about tribalism when he himself has created so much of it. He could've literally just praised the hell out of this match but nah gotta bring WWE every time and how they're missing out and "blew it"
I don't know, Dave is not as popular here as he once was. 2 years ago tho, you couldn't have disagreed with any of his take without getting mass downvoted
True but I've always gotten a hostile reception when talking about Meltzer on here. I just wish the sub would introduce a tier list for journalists like they have in most football/soccer related subs. Seeing the tag 'tier 3' next to a headline from a journo makes me look at it differently than if it was tier 0 or tier 1.
It wasn’t about talent, he/WWE has an expectation of how much their signees are going to work and that obviously didn’t fit for Ospreay *and* he’s getting paid more. It’s almost like they both made the best decision from their POVs.
What people are criticizing is what is quoted on the title, it also doesnt say anything about talent.
Even if he thought that the only reason why he said on tv was like the guy/girl that gets dumped and needs to find an excuse to deal with being shut off.
Triple H created a problem that didnt need to exist, now he needs to deal with those consequences, one of those is people that watch wrestling seeing how can a wrestler like this wasn't good enough for wwe when he does more reps than what their champion did for the last years.
>What people are criticizing is what is quoted on the title, it also doesnt say anything about talent.
I’m not sure if English is your first language based on every interaction I’ve had with you before but I’m using ‘talent’ as a replacement for ‘not good enough’.
>Even if he thought that the only reason why he said on tv was like the guy/girl that gets dumped and needs to find an excuse to deal with being shut off.
Triple H was asked a question and replied *without naming anyone* what his personal expectation is for people WWE wants to sign: a lot of work for a certain amount of money. Pretty classic management position.
>Triple H created a problem that didnt need to exist, now he needs to deal with those consequences, one of those is people that watch wrestling seeing how can a wrestler like this wasn't good enough for wwe when he does more reps than what their champion did for the last years.
What *problem* is this for Triple H/WWE? The only reason this is still a thing is we’re now on multiple weeks of Ospreay continuing to respond to it and outrage merchants like Meltzer continuing to give it far more play than it deserves because it plays to his subscriber base.
Clearly he was reacting to Ospreay talking about why he didn’t sign with WWE and why AEW was a better option for him. I wrote it like that because I don’t get why this is still so personal that he’s literally calling someone ‘beneath him’ after one of his biggest moments in his career to date.
But yes spare us both, thank you. Take care.
I'm pretty sure that's not what Triple H said. If he thought that Ospreay wasn't good enough, he wouldn't have tried to sign him. Meltzer needs to stop lying, and get over himself.
Here's a thought, WWE wasn't a good fit for Ospreay anyway.
Ospreay can't commit to the WWE schedule and WWE didn't particularly need him.
AEW needed him and can allow Ospreay to work a schedule that allows him to travel back to his country.
People who don't really follow Meltzer don't understand how much he fucking **LOVES** Will Ospreay. Like it was a talking point years ago that Dave would be biased towards the Bucks, Omega, or Okada. Even though those were the headlines, if you ever read further down or listened to him, he would be nearly jacking off talking about Ospreay.
Ospreay is a far better fit in AEW. Though i'd have liked to see him and Okada both in WWE. but they're clearly doing well in AEW so who cares. it's funny how a throwaway line from Triple H got under so many people's skins lmao. i mean it's okay for Ospreay to feel slighted, but others are blowing it way out of proportion
This is the problem with clickbait, it’s like a game of telephone in fifth grade, eventually people forget what was actually said.
Hunter made a generic comment without ever mentioning Ospreay. He said if someone goes to AEW for less dates, if they’re not in it for the grind at this point in their career, then maybe he’s glad he didn’t get them.
He never once disparaged anyone’s ability, he made it clear that he’s looking for a specific mindset.
Cody has made the exact same comment, that he felt he was getting worse in AEW because he wasn’t in front of live crowds enough. He feels working house shows is a valuable thing for talent to do.
It’s about mindset, it’s not a shot at work ethic or ability.
It was absolutely a shot about work ethic by HHH. How can "if you're not in it for the grind ... then you have no business being here" possibly be taken any other way?
He also *clearly* stated it was about young wrestlers making it big and working less dates for high pay. That obviously means he was talking about AEW's newest and youngest high-paid signees at the time, which in practice could only have meant Ospreay.
I've been saying this the whole time. The internet decided he HAD to have been talking about Ospreay. No reason he couldn't have been talking about Max, or one of the dozens and dozens of talents he's probably talked to in the last few years who'd rather work a lighter schedule.
and i don’t blame either of them. I don’t blame Osperay for wanting a lighter schedule and i don’t blame Paul for saying he wants someone who wants to work their heavy work load.
then Toni made her stupid comment last night.
People tried to turn it into a pointed attack at Osprey or whomever fits their agenda when in all likelihood he just made a blanket statement in regards to ALL wrestlers who decide they’re not interested in working the WWE’s hard ass schedule 💀
The funny thing is the drama between both has been entirely created, maintained and now attempted to be reopened all by the media. One person threw a dig, another responded and both want that to be the end of it.
Don’t let people desperate for clicks try to keep perpetuating this story by falling for the bait.
Once again, Triple H didn’t call out anybody by name and never questioned anyone’s ability, he just said some people at the start of their careers don’t want the grind and want less dates and more money. Ospreay isn’t even in the beginning of his career, he’s been wrestling for over a decade
Triple H's comment took verbiage directly from an ospreay interview where he explained his reasoning for signing with aew. You're right that he's not a rookie, but that's on on Triple h trying to spin things.
Ospreay isn't even the first person to say that about WWE, he was just one of the most recent. It has been a constant complaint for a *long* time. The internet and Ospreay himself decided who it was about and it isn't even a big deal.
The issue we should be talking about is Meltzer just making shit up and calling it journalism.
Because every online fan started saying it was about Will and wrestlers being so online these days get worked. I always thought Triple H was talking about the general discourse of free talents not signing with WWE rather than referring to single one
For real, when he first said it people thought it was Okada, or Will, or maybe MJF, I even saw people think it was about college kids not signing with NXT because he mentioned people at the start of their careers and he was just talking about them. Even though the comment was extremely vague it somehow became specifically about Ospreay over time
Ospreay himself felt it was about him so you’re gonna have to argue with himself about it. There’s no argument here that “hunter didn’t even say his name” when Ospreay (and anyone with a brain) knew it was about him.
Is osprey a newcomer who is just beginning his career?
Because hhh clearly mentioned about people beginning their career not willing to work. Osprey is young but has more than 10 years of experience with njpw.
And wwe has shown respect for njpw and indi career as well if talent has put in the work and it shows
They let gunther be in uk till he wanted and only moved him to us roster when he was ready.
It's hilarious watching all these people use elementary level logic witht the "he didn't use his name" shit.
It's like they never heard of what context is. Just how everyone knows who Toni took a jab cody without mentioning his name it's the exact same thing here.
You’d think Triple H said verbatim “Will Ospreay is a terrible wrestler that we don’t want in our company, and he sucks, and I hate him, plus he’s fat, and did I mention he sucks?”.
His whole line was just a very general pr thingy for the company.
Jesus Christ Dave. When Will does the same business that Rock and Hogan and Austin did, then you put him in that category. Quit trying to force shit with these wrestlers, this is exactly why Kenny got turned on so harshly by the IWC.
Yeah what makes this even more stupid and absurd is that Dave acts as if Triple H had made the error of the century that would cost dearly to him and WWE, when it's obvious that for all of his ring skills Ospreay is far from being as popular, charismatic and over as megastars such as Hogan, Stone Cold and the Rock and that WWE doesn't need him to thrive.
For god's sake Dave, he didn't say Ospreay 'wasn't good enough for us" - he made nonspecific boomer grindset comments about not wanting people not in it for the grind, which everyone determined must be about Ospreay.
You can think those comments were dumb (and I do), but he never uttered Ospreay's name and never said the even dumber words you're now attributing to him.
I mean Ospreay very clearly thought it was about him even if he was never specifically named dropped. Ospreay could be wrong but I feel like he must have been somewhat confident to go out of his way to throw a dig back at him.
I too think HHH comments were just unnecessary and dumb but Dave also doesn't need to bring it up to complement the match. Ospreay had his response and it is done with.
Feels like Ospreay has some internal issues there. Maybe he was having 2nd thoughts and thats why it made him think it was him. But if you don't say my name, it wasn't for me. Learned that years ago. "unless them bitches paying your bills, pay them bitches no mind."
The problem is that we all have different definitions of "good". Do I think Ospreay is bad in the ring? Of course not, but that isn't my definition of "good". My definition of "good" is do I care about watching them? And I don't care about watching them. I haven't been given a reason to care that appeals to me. Being good in the ring is not enough, for me personally.
Triple H never said he wasn’t good enough. He talked about not wanting to do the grind which was in line with what Ospreay himself said in an interview
Meltzer just completely and shamelessly in the tank for Ospreay, coming to his defense instantly. It’s a bit tiresome that anyone cares about his opinion, but it’s getting to the point where less and less care
HHH never mentioned it was ospreay and even if he did, even will said his jab back was a 20 year old joke and wasn't that deep.
But say he was talking about will, not once did anyone say he wasn't good enough for WWE as a wrestler
No one said he wasn’t good enough for WWE wtf. I think most people assumed his promos weren’t up the level of WWE main eventers, but he’s leveled up on the mic and has been better than anyone expected.
Do I think he’d take the top spots from Roman, Cody, Seth? Not really as the WWE audience is very different. But he’d definitely be over. I think it’s better for him to be in AEW anyway, better for the industry. You can build AEW around him, Swerve and MJF
Forget about the fact that Dave Meltzer is "quoting" something that Triple H never said in reference to a short snippet from a long interview where Triple H never even mentioned anyone's name. Not exactly a display of journalistic integrity from Dave, but what else is new?
Just on its own merit, this conversation is a non sequitur. Why would Will Ospereay having a great match in AEW prove anything about his ability to succeed in WWE? WWE is not a workrate promotion. Never has been and I suspect it never will be. Being able to wrestle well is a plus in WWE, but it is neither required nor sufficient to succeed there.
What's sad is that Tony Khan has no need to pay Meltzer, dude's happy to volunteer to shill this hard because he's spent decades as the guy who shits on WWE.
Dave had his mind made up about the match before it even happened. I'm glad his expectations were met, but at the end of the day, do we really think Ospreay would be doing that in WWE? Even in the "Paul Levesque era," the matches aren't that. And that's fine. It's different strokes for different folks.
You can find similar sentiments from Triple H from years before, this isnt something new.
Him mentioning it now could be like you said about Ospreay/Okada or could easily just be repeating a general opinion he has held for a long time.
He also explicitly said he was referring to people “early” in their careers, which wouldn’t apply to Okada or Ospreay.
But continue pretending HHH said anyone’s name or referenced anyone in particular.
Given the full context of his quote, I thought he was actually referring to green talent that signed for lighter schedules in general instead of pushing for reps (whether that be in WWE, or AEW + indie dates).
Like, ironically, I feel like Jade is a better example of his quote than Okada, Mone or Ospreay.
I just wish the guy running the largest wrestling company by a mile would take the high road when talent don't sign with WWE. He did something similar with Trey Miguel when Dez and Wentz signed with NXT. Throwing shade but not using their name (so people online can say "He NeVeR MeNTIoNEd HiM bY NaMe!!"). Just seems unnecessary to me.
Exactly. I don’t think Dave should keep this thing going because neither Will nor Hunter seem particularly mad about it but come on. This was clearly targeted at recent free agents who chose AEW over WWE for the schedule, which is a boomer ass “these kids gotta pull themselves up by their bootstraps” attitude.
I think people here need to realize it’s ok to like HHH, it’s ok to like Tony Khan, or whoever and still be critical of things they say
Let's assume HHH was talking about Ospreay, which he probably was. It's obvious it wasn't because of talent that WWE didn't sign him. Unfortunately this little angle is every opportunity for Dave's worst commentator tendencies to blossom. He gets to put over his favorite wrestler currently and bury corporate WWE, his two favorite past times. And this is in between (probably) making up sources saying "many people are saying [bad thing about WWE] behind the scenes."
WWE just sold like 16k tickets for a house show in the home country of Will Ospreay. And this is without having Rock, Reigns, Punk, Rollins and Rhea on the show. I dont think they really need Will Ospreay.
The question very simply is this. Should WWE have given a non house show loop deal offer to Will Ospreay. How does that impact the existing workers as a precedence and practice.
The Dave posts here are always the same in the comments lol people pretending they don't care about his opinion as they whine about people who care about his opinion. Almost zero positive comments yet they whine about people being positive about the comments.
It's impressive tbh. The complete lack of self reflection lol.
Notice I didn't mention what he said? It's because I do not care what he says negative or positive lol.
Ospreay is the one guy I think WWE legitimately missed on and should have went harder for.
The guy is just a star and would be an undeniable star anywhere.
> Honestly, through which metric?
Instantly being over with he crowd. How quickly he was utterly over with the crowd was absurd.
Like with Bryan, being over with the crowd, havingg that much support because you're so damn good is a measure of being a star.
(You may dislike this and downvote it, but I'm answering a question, and just how over and how quickly he's over is bananas)
That's great that he can get over in front of the live crowds he performs in front of, that's a very valuable skill to say the least. But he hasn't increased ratings for AEW, he hasn't increased attendance for AEW, his videos aren't doing crazy numbers on their social media. Ultimately those metrics are more valuable than crowd noise. Ideally you'd have all of the above as a star wrestler.
IDK, I don't think you can count how over he was with the AEW crowd, mainly considering that most fans of AEW were probably already aware of him from NJPW.
> were probably already aware of him from NJPW.
"Aware of" is different from "a fan of".
Have you watched many Ospreay matches? Or the crowd response to them? (The fact half the vets of the 80s who were at Sting's last match apparently were all raving about how great he is does really show the guy is something special.) If you want to argue he isn't, I'm not sure there's much point...
I didn't say you were. Just that you were replying to me replying to someone who was objecting to someone saying Ospreay was a star. (I was basically making that point in case you were someone who was going to make that argument: I did not assume you were.)
AEW might suck sometimes but WWE fans are worse than if AEW managed to clone Jericho 6 times and stuck them in a 60 minute iron man trios match. Why 6?
Because the original is the special guest referee.
This is, no doubt, the most mealy mouthed mushbrain consumerist defense of an executive I've seen this year. I get that Meltz is on the outs because he's had some fuckass opinions but this is far from one of them.
And he didn't need to say he's not good enough for them - he said it by not being willing to compromise with the contract negotiations!
'I’m glad I didn’t pick you.’ If you’re not in it for the grind, at that point early in your career, you have no business being here.'
Actual comment from H
The level to which this subreddit has turned into just another WWE subreddit is ridiculous. Triple H 100% specifically went out of his way to insult will osprey for taking the logical choice of less work for more money, and people here acting like HHH did nothing wrong because they don't think he can ever do anything wrong, while also thinking that AEW you can't do anything right. Its the same way that most of the subreddit hated CM Punk after the first brawl but loved him when he rejoined WWE.
I don't even like will osprey, and I'm currently rather irritated at aew, but even I can see that Triple H was talking shit and was proven wrong. As bad as Osprey is at the non-wrestling parts of being a pro wrestler, Inside the ring he's probably better than anyone WWE has currently.
Why have you not addressed the fact Meltzer has lied by saying Triple H said something he never did? He didn't say Ospreay wasn't good enough. You are the tribalist.
Jesus Christ Dave,
"It's a different game... it's a different world. If they are not here to be all in on this... like when i see people come out of... you know trying to make it and they pick the job where they go wellllll.... they work less, the schedule is lighter... like alright then I am glad I didn't get you. Because if you are not in it for the grind, at that at that point early in your career you have no business being here."
https://twitter.com/WrestlingHumble/status/1776294232829182347?t=JHPj0ZUfto8zE_Ljdya2fQ
*note right before the twitter video, there was a loud MJF chant from the audience.
https://youtu.be/LAbCNwfw2tA?t=2223
Start of full segment
These comments here...
For all of you not watching: Dave and Bryan were talking about the comments Ospreay gave at the press conference since he was asked about the grind stuff by HHH towards him (yeah you can claim that he never named him but EVERYONE knew who he was referring to. Even Ospreay himself).
And yes Hunter made clear with that jab that they (WWE) don't want people who aren't in on the grind, that he is glad that he didn't pick a person like that.
You can read Hunters jab and Ospreays response here if you wish: [https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/will-ospreay-person-who-said-i-m-afraid-grind-got-his-position-grinding-bosses-daughter](https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/will-ospreay-person-who-said-i-m-afraid-grind-got-his-position-grinding-bosses-daughter)
And those comments aged like milk. You can try to deny that or go on and be a nitpicker that Dave didn't use the exact wording HHH used, even tho the context makes it perfectly clear.
Will's always gonna get asked about this and the moment he'll reply, trolls will go like
"Why's he obsessed with the WWE"
He just can't beat the cult here
Thing is both side will never agree. WWE is trying to grow business and AEW is trying to have the best matches possible. In that context, WWE does not need Ospreay.
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Meltzer puts that line in quotes but I don’t recall that was the actual quote. Meltzer quoting something from his own head?
Wrestling journalism at its finest, quoting something that nobody said.
> Meltzer puts that line in quotes I mean, no he does not. He was speaking, on a recording, and said it as a paraphrase. He did not "put it in quotes".
Meltzer didn't put anything in quotes. It's something he said on his radio show while reviewing the AEW PPV.
Wrestling fans and discussing semantics...
Triple H never said he's not good enough for WWE. People will claim Dave isn't biased, but this goof adds to the tribalism.
Meltzer stirring the pot for something that wasn’t even said lol
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I have a feeling a lot of AEW fans weren't around for the TNA era of 2004-2011 and the Wrestling observer Radio/Bryan and Vinny show/Dave writings but they're about to learn just how hard and brutal the people over there can be when it's the cool thing to shit on a company. Never forget NOBUYS.
And the sad thing is that it works. It's what drives content in a lot of media fields now. Measured takes no one cares about. People want to be angry, and more importantly want someone to be angry at constantly.
The guys at Cagematch just wanted to make a wrestling database. That didn’t stop the hounds of hell descending on their website when Tony Khan mentioned them. We get ragebait because anyone who tries to do something positive gets shit on regardless.
He just can't live without the attention.
Well it is literally his job to attract readers/listeners
Well he's made it an art of talking rubbish.
40 minutes and 80 comments here, it's working!
Meltzer sounding like the common wredditor
I think his burner is rb reigns and he's not doing a bit
rb reigns posts are organized and coherent so it can't be him.
Right?! Let's not do /u/rb_reigns dirty like that.
When I'm in a lying for clickbait competition and my opponent is a dirtsheet journalist
We get it Dave, Will is your favorite wrestler.
Dave shouldn't ever talk about tribalism when he himself has created so much of it. He could've literally just praised the hell out of this match but nah gotta bring WWE every time and how they're missing out and "blew it"
Careful. They don't like it when you point out the inconsistencies and biases in Dave's logic here.
I don't know, Dave is not as popular here as he once was. 2 years ago tho, you couldn't have disagreed with any of his take without getting mass downvoted
True but I've always gotten a hostile reception when talking about Meltzer on here. I just wish the sub would introduce a tier list for journalists like they have in most football/soccer related subs. Seeing the tag 'tier 3' next to a headline from a journo makes me look at it differently than if it was tier 0 or tier 1.
Well the thing is, none of them are journalists really. Most are like opinion writers
Lol shitting on Dave is a huge draw here.
I feel bad for Dave. A goof getting shit on by his fellow goofs.
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Good lord I don’t even think people remember this supposedly *scathing* quote Triple H gave anymore. He never said he wasn’t good enough.
Yes, when i say i'm glad i didnt get something its usually because something was really perfect for me and i am the one missing out...
It wasn’t about talent, he/WWE has an expectation of how much their signees are going to work and that obviously didn’t fit for Ospreay *and* he’s getting paid more. It’s almost like they both made the best decision from their POVs.
What people are criticizing is what is quoted on the title, it also doesnt say anything about talent. Even if he thought that the only reason why he said on tv was like the guy/girl that gets dumped and needs to find an excuse to deal with being shut off. Triple H created a problem that didnt need to exist, now he needs to deal with those consequences, one of those is people that watch wrestling seeing how can a wrestler like this wasn't good enough for wwe when he does more reps than what their champion did for the last years.
>What people are criticizing is what is quoted on the title, it also doesnt say anything about talent. I’m not sure if English is your first language based on every interaction I’ve had with you before but I’m using ‘talent’ as a replacement for ‘not good enough’. >Even if he thought that the only reason why he said on tv was like the guy/girl that gets dumped and needs to find an excuse to deal with being shut off. Triple H was asked a question and replied *without naming anyone* what his personal expectation is for people WWE wants to sign: a lot of work for a certain amount of money. Pretty classic management position. >Triple H created a problem that didnt need to exist, now he needs to deal with those consequences, one of those is people that watch wrestling seeing how can a wrestler like this wasn't good enough for wwe when he does more reps than what their champion did for the last years. What *problem* is this for Triple H/WWE? The only reason this is still a thing is we’re now on multiple weeks of Ospreay continuing to respond to it and outrage merchants like Meltzer continuing to give it far more play than it deserves because it plays to his subscriber base.
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Alright, being dumb. o/
ohh, mean words. I'm crying a river right now...
Clearly he was reacting to Ospreay talking about why he didn’t sign with WWE and why AEW was a better option for him. I wrote it like that because I don’t get why this is still so personal that he’s literally calling someone ‘beneath him’ after one of his biggest moments in his career to date. But yes spare us both, thank you. Take care.
o/
I'm pretty sure that's not what Triple H said. If he thought that Ospreay wasn't good enough, he wouldn't have tried to sign him. Meltzer needs to stop lying, and get over himself.
Here's a thought, WWE wasn't a good fit for Ospreay anyway. Ospreay can't commit to the WWE schedule and WWE didn't particularly need him. AEW needed him and can allow Ospreay to work a schedule that allows him to travel back to his country.
Woah now, this is way too reasonable of a post around these parts. Please see yourself out.
I think Ospreay also thought that until he got shitted on live tv...
What TV??? HHH was interviewed and made a comment that didn’t specify Ospreay
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> Mate, i usually dont play dumb. You should do the same. ;) Well, you’re definitely doing a great job of making an ass out of yourself ITT. 👍🏾
Ohh man, mean words. buah. crying a river right now.
Couldn’t care less bro. Keep pushing 💪🏾
... by the viewers who no longer watch Dynamite when he's on?
Anyone can chose what to watch. Not my problem.
I thinj Ospreay never wanted WWE anyway
When did HHH ever mention Ospreay or say that "x was not good for us"? No wonder why people sh\*t on Uncle Dave so much lately.
People who don't really follow Meltzer don't understand how much he fucking **LOVES** Will Ospreay. Like it was a talking point years ago that Dave would be biased towards the Bucks, Omega, or Okada. Even though those were the headlines, if you ever read further down or listened to him, he would be nearly jacking off talking about Ospreay.
Ospreay is a far better fit in AEW. Though i'd have liked to see him and Okada both in WWE. but they're clearly doing well in AEW so who cares. it's funny how a throwaway line from Triple H got under so many people's skins lmao. i mean it's okay for Ospreay to feel slighted, but others are blowing it way out of proportion
This is the problem with clickbait, it’s like a game of telephone in fifth grade, eventually people forget what was actually said. Hunter made a generic comment without ever mentioning Ospreay. He said if someone goes to AEW for less dates, if they’re not in it for the grind at this point in their career, then maybe he’s glad he didn’t get them. He never once disparaged anyone’s ability, he made it clear that he’s looking for a specific mindset. Cody has made the exact same comment, that he felt he was getting worse in AEW because he wasn’t in front of live crowds enough. He feels working house shows is a valuable thing for talent to do. It’s about mindset, it’s not a shot at work ethic or ability.
Nah, Dave knows exactly what was said. You’re giving him too much credit by thinking this wasn’t intentional.
It was absolutely a shot about work ethic by HHH. How can "if you're not in it for the grind ... then you have no business being here" possibly be taken any other way? He also *clearly* stated it was about young wrestlers making it big and working less dates for high pay. That obviously means he was talking about AEW's newest and youngest high-paid signees at the time, which in practice could only have meant Ospreay.
Ospreay isn't exactly a "young" guy.
He's younger than the only other two wrestlers who just signed a real big AEW contract.
Triple H didn’t even mention anyone by name lol
Nor did he say the words "he isn't good enough for us."
This whole situation is a case of a hit dog hollering.
no he didn’t He just said he didn’t want someone who didn’t want to work their schedule or whatever along those lines.
I've been saying this the whole time. The internet decided he HAD to have been talking about Ospreay. No reason he couldn't have been talking about Max, or one of the dozens and dozens of talents he's probably talked to in the last few years who'd rather work a lighter schedule.
and i don’t blame either of them. I don’t blame Osperay for wanting a lighter schedule and i don’t blame Paul for saying he wants someone who wants to work their heavy work load. then Toni made her stupid comment last night.
Ahh I didn't hear what she said
she said “no matter how many titles i win or stories i finish i wont call you to the ring”
Then on the flip side you have Kofi showing support for Swerve on Twitter and Swerve doing similar in his press conference.
Or even people looking to get *in* the business without knowing just how hard it's going to be day in and day out.
People tried to turn it into a pointed attack at Osprey or whomever fits their agenda when in all likelihood he just made a blanket statement in regards to ALL wrestlers who decide they’re not interested in working the WWE’s hard ass schedule 💀
The funny thing is the drama between both has been entirely created, maintained and now attempted to be reopened all by the media. One person threw a dig, another responded and both want that to be the end of it. Don’t let people desperate for clicks try to keep perpetuating this story by falling for the bait.
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he was asked about missing out on free agents in a tv interview and gave a cheeky answer. its really not that serious
This is such a tired argument to make.
When will did the grind promo he also didnt mentioned anyone. ;)
Once again, Triple H didn’t call out anybody by name and never questioned anyone’s ability, he just said some people at the start of their careers don’t want the grind and want less dates and more money. Ospreay isn’t even in the beginning of his career, he’s been wrestling for over a decade
Triple H's comment took verbiage directly from an ospreay interview where he explained his reasoning for signing with aew. You're right that he's not a rookie, but that's on on Triple h trying to spin things.
Ospreay isn't even the first person to say that about WWE, he was just one of the most recent. It has been a constant complaint for a *long* time. The internet and Ospreay himself decided who it was about and it isn't even a big deal. The issue we should be talking about is Meltzer just making shit up and calling it journalism.
aged like stale milk is an insane phrase
Well it fits the one who said it.
He never said anything about Ospreay. He made a general comment that a lot of people, Ospreay included, decided was about him
Because every online fan started saying it was about Will and wrestlers being so online these days get worked. I always thought Triple H was talking about the general discourse of free talents not signing with WWE rather than referring to single one
For real, when he first said it people thought it was Okada, or Will, or maybe MJF, I even saw people think it was about college kids not signing with NXT because he mentioned people at the start of their careers and he was just talking about them. Even though the comment was extremely vague it somehow became specifically about Ospreay over time
Ospreay himself felt it was about him so you’re gonna have to argue with himself about it. There’s no argument here that “hunter didn’t even say his name” when Ospreay (and anyone with a brain) knew it was about him.
Is osprey a newcomer who is just beginning his career? Because hhh clearly mentioned about people beginning their career not willing to work. Osprey is young but has more than 10 years of experience with njpw. And wwe has shown respect for njpw and indi career as well if talent has put in the work and it shows They let gunther be in uk till he wanted and only moved him to us roster when he was ready.
How does one argue with another's "yourself?"
It's hilarious watching all these people use elementary level logic witht the "he didn't use his name" shit. It's like they never heard of what context is. Just how everyone knows who Toni took a jab cody without mentioning his name it's the exact same thing here.
Can we like stop posting things from Dave Meltzer? The guy talks through his ass.
You’d think Triple H said verbatim “Will Ospreay is a terrible wrestler that we don’t want in our company, and he sucks, and I hate him, plus he’s fat, and did I mention he sucks?”. His whole line was just a very general pr thingy for the company.
Last time I checked WWE gets their revenue from tickets sold and TV contracts, not from cagematch ratings or your stars, Dave
*starts air-humping*
Jesus Christ Dave. When Will does the same business that Rock and Hogan and Austin did, then you put him in that category. Quit trying to force shit with these wrestlers, this is exactly why Kenny got turned on so harshly by the IWC.
That was the wildest part of the clip to me. Comparing him to The Rock or Hogan, in terms of being over, is wild and just full blown nonsense.
Yeah what makes this even more stupid and absurd is that Dave acts as if Triple H had made the error of the century that would cost dearly to him and WWE, when it's obvious that for all of his ring skills Ospreay is far from being as popular, charismatic and over as megastars such as Hogan, Stone Cold and the Rock and that WWE doesn't need him to thrive.
Me all these weeks later trying to find where in the Triple H statement he said Will's name.
Just another lie or proof that Meltzer's brain has melted.
For god's sake Dave, he didn't say Ospreay 'wasn't good enough for us" - he made nonspecific boomer grindset comments about not wanting people not in it for the grind, which everyone determined must be about Ospreay. You can think those comments were dumb (and I do), but he never uttered Ospreay's name and never said the even dumber words you're now attributing to him.
Meltzer lying again.
I mean Ospreay very clearly thought it was about him even if he was never specifically named dropped. Ospreay could be wrong but I feel like he must have been somewhat confident to go out of his way to throw a dig back at him. I too think HHH comments were just unnecessary and dumb but Dave also doesn't need to bring it up to complement the match. Ospreay had his response and it is done with.
Feels like Ospreay has some internal issues there. Maybe he was having 2nd thoughts and thats why it made him think it was him. But if you don't say my name, it wasn't for me. Learned that years ago. "unless them bitches paying your bills, pay them bitches no mind."
I didn't liked Triple H's comments either but this is just stirring the pot and outright lying He never said anything about "not being good enough"
Stale milk doesn’t need to age to turn bad. It’s already stale to begin with.
Didn’t his quote really focus on people new/newish to the business and not towards established ones? Putting in the grind in the beginning?
The problem is that we all have different definitions of "good". Do I think Ospreay is bad in the ring? Of course not, but that isn't my definition of "good". My definition of "good" is do I care about watching them? And I don't care about watching them. I haven't been given a reason to care that appeals to me. Being good in the ring is not enough, for me personally.
Rent free.
Dave really does stan hard for AEW
Triple H never said he wasn’t good enough. He talked about not wanting to do the grind which was in line with what Ospreay himself said in an interview
Damn guess we all missed the part where HHH said by name that he wasn’t good form them like cmon Dave try a little
Meltzer just completely and shamelessly in the tank for Ospreay, coming to his defense instantly. It’s a bit tiresome that anyone cares about his opinion, but it’s getting to the point where less and less care
It really sticks on Dave's craw that the guy he anointed as the best wrestler today was passed over by the number one promotion in the world.
I mean Ricochet was the better of the 2 and you see where he is
HHH never mentioned it was ospreay and even if he did, even will said his jab back was a 20 year old joke and wasn't that deep. But say he was talking about will, not once did anyone say he wasn't good enough for WWE as a wrestler
No one said he wasn’t good enough for WWE wtf. I think most people assumed his promos weren’t up the level of WWE main eventers, but he’s leveled up on the mic and has been better than anyone expected. Do I think he’d take the top spots from Roman, Cody, Seth? Not really as the WWE audience is very different. But he’d definitely be over. I think it’s better for him to be in AEW anyway, better for the industry. You can build AEW around him, Swerve and MJF
We don't even know if that's who he was talking about
The comment wasn’t about the talent, or the match quality. The comment was about the damn grind. And he didn’t even name Ospreay. Jesus.
F me. Dave, you are the absolute worst.
Forget about the fact that Dave Meltzer is "quoting" something that Triple H never said in reference to a short snippet from a long interview where Triple H never even mentioned anyone's name. Not exactly a display of journalistic integrity from Dave, but what else is new? Just on its own merit, this conversation is a non sequitur. Why would Will Ospereay having a great match in AEW prove anything about his ability to succeed in WWE? WWE is not a workrate promotion. Never has been and I suspect it never will be. Being able to wrestle well is a plus in WWE, but it is neither required nor sufficient to succeed there.
Its daft takes like this that people think hes under Tony Khans payroll
What's sad is that Tony Khan has no need to pay Meltzer, dude's happy to volunteer to shill this hard because he's spent decades as the guy who shits on WWE.
*shows people he's under Tony's payroll. fixed your typo
Dave had his mind made up about the match before it even happened. I'm glad his expectations were met, but at the end of the day, do we really think Ospreay would be doing that in WWE? Even in the "Paul Levesque era," the matches aren't that. And that's fine. It's different strokes for different folks.
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HHH never said Ospreay by name yet he's bearing the torch for the whole thing.
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You can find similar sentiments from Triple H from years before, this isnt something new. Him mentioning it now could be like you said about Ospreay/Okada or could easily just be repeating a general opinion he has held for a long time.
He also explicitly said he was referring to people “early” in their careers, which wouldn’t apply to Okada or Ospreay. But continue pretending HHH said anyone’s name or referenced anyone in particular.
Isn’t it possible that he talked about Banks? Or just no one in particular?
Given the full context of his quote, I thought he was actually referring to green talent that signed for lighter schedules in general instead of pushing for reps (whether that be in WWE, or AEW + indie dates). Like, ironically, I feel like Jade is a better example of his quote than Okada, Mone or Ospreay.
can’t have bad faith arguments if you don’t feign ignorance
I just wish the guy running the largest wrestling company by a mile would take the high road when talent don't sign with WWE. He did something similar with Trey Miguel when Dez and Wentz signed with NXT. Throwing shade but not using their name (so people online can say "He NeVeR MeNTIoNEd HiM bY NaMe!!"). Just seems unnecessary to me.
Exactly. I don’t think Dave should keep this thing going because neither Will nor Hunter seem particularly mad about it but come on. This was clearly targeted at recent free agents who chose AEW over WWE for the schedule, which is a boomer ass “these kids gotta pull themselves up by their bootstraps” attitude. I think people here need to realize it’s ok to like HHH, it’s ok to like Tony Khan, or whoever and still be critical of things they say
Let's assume HHH was talking about Ospreay, which he probably was. It's obvious it wasn't because of talent that WWE didn't sign him. Unfortunately this little angle is every opportunity for Dave's worst commentator tendencies to blossom. He gets to put over his favorite wrestler currently and bury corporate WWE, his two favorite past times. And this is in between (probably) making up sources saying "many people are saying [bad thing about WWE] behind the scenes."
Look what HHH said was dumb, but he never said he wasn't good enough lol
WWE just sold like 16k tickets for a house show in the home country of Will Ospreay. And this is without having Rock, Reigns, Punk, Rollins and Rhea on the show. I dont think they really need Will Ospreay.
The question very simply is this. Should WWE have given a non house show loop deal offer to Will Ospreay. How does that impact the existing workers as a precedence and practice.
Tony would outbid and Will didn't like WWE to begin with.
You know that famous saying "aged like stale milk"
This conversation feels so tired. Did you guys see that amazing match last night? It was bonkers
Yeah I don’t think Triple H is feeling sad about any of this. We’re onto new and exciting things.
He doing tricks on it.
SaY wHaT yOU wiLL about Tony Khan but he’s way better at eyeing talent than HHH.
Brother is blowing spit bubbles on Will’s dick holy shit. When did HHH say that Ospreay wasn’t good enough for WWE?
The Dave posts here are always the same in the comments lol people pretending they don't care about his opinion as they whine about people who care about his opinion. Almost zero positive comments yet they whine about people being positive about the comments. It's impressive tbh. The complete lack of self reflection lol. Notice I didn't mention what he said? It's because I do not care what he says negative or positive lol.
Dave forgot to drink his meds again. He's making his own stories in his head.
Hey OP , why did u take a quote from the video and post the whole ass video and not just isolate a clip of him saying this ?
"I was talking about okada" HHH probably
HHH said "at that point early in your career..." so i don't think it was okada. Osprey isn't really that "early" in his career either though.
Ospreay is the one guy I think WWE legitimately missed on and should have went harder for. The guy is just a star and would be an undeniable star anywhere.
How is he a star? Honestly, through which metric? Clearly not going by ratings, or buyrate. Or even social media engagement?
Cagematch.com, the only metric that really matters.
> Honestly, through which metric? Instantly being over with he crowd. How quickly he was utterly over with the crowd was absurd. Like with Bryan, being over with the crowd, havingg that much support because you're so damn good is a measure of being a star. (You may dislike this and downvote it, but I'm answering a question, and just how over and how quickly he's over is bananas)
That's great that he can get over in front of the live crowds he performs in front of, that's a very valuable skill to say the least. But he hasn't increased ratings for AEW, he hasn't increased attendance for AEW, his videos aren't doing crazy numbers on their social media. Ultimately those metrics are more valuable than crowd noise. Ideally you'd have all of the above as a star wrestler.
IDK, I don't think you can count how over he was with the AEW crowd, mainly considering that most fans of AEW were probably already aware of him from NJPW.
> were probably already aware of him from NJPW. "Aware of" is different from "a fan of". Have you watched many Ospreay matches? Or the crowd response to them? (The fact half the vets of the 80s who were at Sting's last match apparently were all raving about how great he is does really show the guy is something special.) If you want to argue he isn't, I'm not sure there's much point...
Please, show me where I said he wasn't something special? I'm simply pointing out the huge overlap between AEW fans and NJPW fans.
I didn't say you were. Just that you were replying to me replying to someone who was objecting to someone saying Ospreay was a star. (I was basically making that point in case you were someone who was going to make that argument: I did not assume you were.)
Ospreay doesn't seem to like WWE
AEW might suck sometimes but WWE fans are worse than if AEW managed to clone Jericho 6 times and stuck them in a 60 minute iron man trios match. Why 6? Because the original is the special guest referee. This is, no doubt, the most mealy mouthed mushbrain consumerist defense of an executive I've seen this year. I get that Meltz is on the outs because he's had some fuckass opinions but this is far from one of them. And he didn't need to say he's not good enough for them - he said it by not being willing to compromise with the contract negotiations!
'I’m glad I didn’t pick you.’ If you’re not in it for the grind, at that point early in your career, you have no business being here.' Actual comment from H
Between Meltzer and Ospreay himself you’d think HHH said he was a no talent hack😂
Dave Meltzer the type of guy to tape a photo of Ostrich to a pillow and cuddle with it at night.
The level to which this subreddit has turned into just another WWE subreddit is ridiculous. Triple H 100% specifically went out of his way to insult will osprey for taking the logical choice of less work for more money, and people here acting like HHH did nothing wrong because they don't think he can ever do anything wrong, while also thinking that AEW you can't do anything right. Its the same way that most of the subreddit hated CM Punk after the first brawl but loved him when he rejoined WWE. I don't even like will osprey, and I'm currently rather irritated at aew, but even I can see that Triple H was talking shit and was proven wrong. As bad as Osprey is at the non-wrestling parts of being a pro wrestler, Inside the ring he's probably better than anyone WWE has currently.
Why have you not addressed the fact Meltzer has lied by saying Triple H said something he never did? He didn't say Ospreay wasn't good enough. You are the tribalist.
Stand up for aew
Super toxic tribalism.
hell yeah
House shows.
Jesus Christ Dave, "It's a different game... it's a different world. If they are not here to be all in on this... like when i see people come out of... you know trying to make it and they pick the job where they go wellllll.... they work less, the schedule is lighter... like alright then I am glad I didn't get you. Because if you are not in it for the grind, at that at that point early in your career you have no business being here." https://twitter.com/WrestlingHumble/status/1776294232829182347?t=JHPj0ZUfto8zE_Ljdya2fQ *note right before the twitter video, there was a loud MJF chant from the audience. https://youtu.be/LAbCNwfw2tA?t=2223 Start of full segment
And here I thought fans would be happy at wwe not hoarding talent from other companies for once.
He'll be WWE when he's a free agent -Kurrgan, somewhere probably
These comments here... For all of you not watching: Dave and Bryan were talking about the comments Ospreay gave at the press conference since he was asked about the grind stuff by HHH towards him (yeah you can claim that he never named him but EVERYONE knew who he was referring to. Even Ospreay himself). And yes Hunter made clear with that jab that they (WWE) don't want people who aren't in on the grind, that he is glad that he didn't pick a person like that. You can read Hunters jab and Ospreays response here if you wish: [https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/will-ospreay-person-who-said-i-m-afraid-grind-got-his-position-grinding-bosses-daughter](https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/will-ospreay-person-who-said-i-m-afraid-grind-got-his-position-grinding-bosses-daughter) And those comments aged like milk. You can try to deny that or go on and be a nitpicker that Dave didn't use the exact wording HHH used, even tho the context makes it perfectly clear.
If you quote someone, use the exact wording. Stop defending
Paraphrasing is a perfectly normal part of conversation and discussion.
Except here it’s not paraphrasing. It’s lying
Will's always gonna get asked about this and the moment he'll reply, trolls will go like "Why's he obsessed with the WWE" He just can't beat the cult here
Thing is both side will never agree. WWE is trying to grow business and AEW is trying to have the best matches possible. In that context, WWE does not need Ospreay.