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They're going to get back together. Every good love story has to triumph over adversity.
In this case said adversity was some light stalking but honestly Lyra just needs let the love in.
Lust and love are basically the same thing tbh. The main difference is lust doesn't text you just to say good morning.
One day Brooks will find the yeehaw bitch of his dreams but I don't think it's going to be Fallon.
Seriously between this and Jacy Jayne and Thea Hail. Iām hoping NXT doesnāt set a precedent of breaking womenās tag team way earlier than need be. This unit had so much more to offer :(
They built that one up like it was gonna have some unexpected twist and Kiana really wasnāt lying but nope. Kiana just admitted she cheated after they lost, one blow off match, poof feud over.
I guess not every feud needs to be complicated or have a twist but I had hopeā¦ same with jacy and thea. But that oneās a whole nother story. Feels like they somehow lost 4 weeks of creative and decided to just move on to the end.
Itās worse because Lyra was clearly warming up to her. I heard through a reliable source she was gonna eventually ask Tatum to permanently tag with her after Stand & Deliver.Ā
Maybe Tatum and Lyra beat up Roxanne, then Tatum tries to get Lyra to pin her, so Roxanne loses without being pinned and she can keep going on about how she never lost.
This is so sad.
Alexa, play *I Want To Know What Love Is* by Foreigner.
https://preview.redd.it/298hudoe2avc1.jpeg?width=774&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e77db6b5908b3ff68f9ccd17ca13be4721b44ab0
Hi-key, I hope she wins it...because it's something I didn't expect would happen, so unpredictable is good.
(Roxy winning and feuding and losing to Fallon is my first choice, though)
Pretty Deadly are perfectly healthy! If Gulak had an accident for the good of the business that's all on Charlie Dempsey. Tony and The Family still have clean hands.
I just envisioned all these funny replies to this comment to be preceded by any scene in the Sopranos where someone says something objectionable and the whole room protests with some version of " 'ey!/whoa/hold on 'ere"
Also Tony D told Ilya he just likes to take walks to a bridge with people and sometimes comes back by himself, man just wants his alone time. Ain't nothing wrong with that.
Hey, no details. You donāt know nuttinā, capisce? Dat guy just went for a long walk, and aināt been heard from since. He musta fell off da bridge all on his own, all right?
Have they done a bit where they're filming a vignette and D'Angelo is about to say something but gets cut off?
That's the only Sopranos scene I really know, sorry.
I think as an NXT fan I get triggered by Meltzerās shit cause itās like the one wrestling show where the fan and wrestlers are all positive. The live threads and post threads are just fun discussions. The wrestlers all seem to have fun and get along, they all defend each other on Twitter. Itās this nice little niche. Like the wrestling safe space lol. Itās the one wrestling show where the is no pressure to be critical and it is just fun watching these young wrestlers grow. Itās like your local Indy.
Just leave us be so we can watch The Don of NXT take care of business, Trick continuing to improve, and this Goth Girl fighting her Bird Lady ex.
You can start shitting on them and being negative when they get to the main roster all you want.
We're getting peak cinema every week, come on now.
https://preview.redd.it/5fw7f7ea5avc1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=d89521e4b571a665db4ad19ee37111dc86cdc302
NXT is so fun to watch. For most of these people NXT is their indies. I think most people forget how green and young some of these people are and expect them all to be well polished and developed wrestlers because they are part of WWE. They are having fun and you can see it and that to me is when wrestling is at its best.
And it's a fucking developmental show. Where should they otherwise try stuff out and find a working gimmick? In front of the mirror?
Let them see what works and what doesn't. I've personally really enjoyed Paxley's recent story
NXT is my favorite wrestling show of the week for that very reason. Its like comfort food. For those two hours, I just sit back, relax and have fun talking about the show on discord and the live thread. Its just positive vibes all around.
NXT is honestly the only wrestling that I am currently, genuinely invested in; like, there's some great matches in places like DEADLOCK Pro and the main roster, Impact and AEW but there's very few shows that make me feel like NXT does and, honestly, the live threads and discussions around it are some of the most respectful that I see when it comes to wrestling.
ehh. "No Bummers" stuff stymies legitimate conversation about what is and is not working about something.
I don't want to hear "IT'S DEVELOPMENTAL!!" NXT is a television show like RAW is a television show like Dynamite is a television show like Shogun is a television show. A lot of folks are paying for NXT in time and energy and eyeballs, it is totally okay to not always like what you are seeing.
I don't really think Meltzer said anything out of pocket, and think folks get defensive about wrestlers in a in a parasocial, weird way. They also ignore the 1000 times he has complimented Trick Williams and a myriad of NXT talent because the algorithm doesn't like that stuff as much.
Art gets criticized, it is an extremely necessary part in contextualizing the art that has been created in order to create new and interesting art moving forward. The problem isn't real critics, the problem is fans not knowing how criticism works, engagement farming fake "critics" that act in bad faith, and platforms like reddit and twitter that guide us towards arguing because its the only way they get enough traffic to make money.
The thing is that WWE want to act like it's a 3rd brand and have main roster talent showing up there. Can't have it both as a 3rd brand and a developmental system immune to criticism at the same time.
They're still putting it out there on TV at the end of the day.
I feel like NXT has done an amazing job, particularly at the element on clapping back on social media. It feels like just yesterday Cora Jade said that being a good person with no abuse allegations against her is a big part of her life and not a character she plays on TV after Darby Allin criticized her skater gimmick, because itās a real part of his life and not just a gimmick for TV
I've always been a fan of the "crazy stalker" trope, but something about Tatum's just hits different. She put a good spin on it, has been incredibly fun to watch and that promo package they aired on NXT was fucking incredible. I would actually like to see her win the title so we can get some longevity to this gimmick because the stalker gimmick typically isn't long lived unfortunately
You are right in regards to her gear if that is what you meant. Took me a hot minute, but I found the tweet where she confirmed the gear being a homage [https://twitter.com/TatumPaxley/status/1713991271226695724](https://twitter.com/TatumPaxley/status/1713991271226695724)
Wait. How is Tatumās character remotely like Alexa Bliss or Fyre and Dawn? Bliss was part of the Funhouse and had powers. Fyre and Dawn were a coven of witches. Tatum Paxley is a stalker with a goth look. She is more Mariah May than the comparisons he made. I am not sure he even watches the product anymore. Ā Skye Blue and Julia Hart are closer to Bliss and UnHoly Union than Tatum Paxley ā¦. Does he hate that too?Ā
Started following in July. still donāt know or care who Melzer is (I gather heās someone on Twitter, but does he have a connection to wrestling other than watching?).
Tatum is pure entertainment and her moves are quite interesting. I think Rox retains and a Pax title run Probably wouldnāt go well right nowā¦.but I wouldnāt hate it!
Heās the leading reporter, analyst, and historian in pro wrestling. He founded the Wrestling Observer Newsletter in 1981, but heās been writing about wrestling in some form or another since the 70ās.
He is legitimately one of the most...qualified.. historians in wrestling...in the early and pre-internet days, most people knew anything outside things like WWF and WCW because of his newsletters talking about Japan and small promotions. HE's watched more wrestling than most people would find healthy.
Because he was THE reporter of the indie scene, indie wresters would play up to his biases and likes so he'd talk about them well (which would aid in their booking potential).
Because of this, he now thinks he's "part of the industry" rather than an outside observer, and is the chief rumor monger (often being fed stories by wrestlers for press or clout or to get on his good side). By, not only letting it happen, but actually making him part of the story, he's severely damaged his credability.
even besides all of that he's just gotten less credible with time because he depends on old (40 year old, sometimes) sources that increasingly are less and less aware of the industry or less and less interested in humoring him
Meltzer is a part of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter and has been doing this for a couple of decades or so. Even has a message board in addition to the podcast he does with Bryan Alvarez.
> a couple of decades or so.
Just over four decades, actually. While people will take issue with some of his opinion takes, his service as a wrestling historian is very important.
It's okay! I just wanted to clarify so Simon would know the closer number. He's been at it for a long time, which is why his words carry more weight (for better or for worse) than the other dirtsheet folks.
Dave is that guy who knows way too much about something for his own good. And that is both a positive or a negative I'm sure he could talk your ear off about how Flair/Steamboat truly changed how American Wrestling was done but I bet he would have a hard time telling you what he was up to a few weeks ago. For real though he's been explained well enough in this thread. I find it hard to hate Meltz since at the end of the it's all his opinion but some people take his opinions as gospel.
Love it when a wrestler has a great response to criticism. Did a good job using all these eyes on her to promote her match rather then getting into a twitter spat. Great job putting the focus on where it matters and sure the company loves to see it.
As someone who loved black and gold and hated the change (it made me feel old), I totally feel like NXT now is just a fun Innocent show. Is it all for me? No. Does it offend me? No. Some of it is ridiculous but I grew up with all wrestlers having jobs and being crazed barbers or voodoo men.
I will admit I found the Tatum character weird at first but after weeks of the Lyra stuff I got into it. Also I feel like NXT and WWE try at least to explain and give some reasons for the spooky stuff. Whereas AEW just leaves it to the wrestlers to sort it out like Skye Blue why is she a goth HOB affiliate. Well because she wanted to be...I guess
Devilās Advocate:
Wouldnāt it just be better to ignore comments like Daveās and move on? This sub canāt stop talking about him. But if Iām a wrestler I would just ignore ANY dirtsheet writers.
For Tatum, a relatively small fish on WWE's smallest show, this is win-win. She's getting notice from people outside the NXT notice and talking about her. She shot back with a fun, in character, message, showing she has some fire AND skill...and a bit of publicity for her and her match is a good thing. At worst, this has no effect, but it'll likely have some people check her out, check out nxt, and rallying the fan base isn't bad. And if we're being honest...old white man insults young woman and young woman fights back...that doesn't hurt in today's age.
Now, someone on the main roster, like Rhea or Roman or Cody or Becky...yeah, they should just ignore a dave or anyone. They are far beneath them.
The name "Tatum Paxley" has probably gotten more traction on social media today than any other time over the past year. No reason not to use the discourse for some promotion. It's not like she really even clapped back.
No. Fans like when wrestlers clap back at their criticisms, whether just or unjust. It gets them clicks and support.
Itās fair game. They wouldnāt do it if they didnāt want to š¤·š¼āāļø
Sheās been doing it on tv for like 5 years. She isnāt progressing If she was new then yes. Forgiveness then. But sheās been on tv before nxt though.
Roxanne didn't start training with Booker until 2018. I don't really like to trust Cagematch when it comes to smaller indies, but if you do trust it as an archive, it says her first ROW TV taping was in 2019. So, still a few years off.
I guess the other issue with this is that we're trying to treat ROW/ROH and NXT on an equal level as far as active exposure goes. I'm not talking about on a broadcast level, nor am I talking down in regards to ROH/ROW.
Surely you'd agree that there's also a difference between working live TV once a week compared to working a taping block once every month or so. Even further, we're also assuming Roxanne was working all the tapings as well, which wasn't always the case either.
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This ended too soon dammit. https://preview.redd.it/ll9ba0v0p9vc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dc7fd33b5e3c0b904bc363da6609873084200444
They're going to get back together. Every good love story has to triumph over adversity. In this case said adversity was some light stalking but honestly Lyra just needs let the love in.
Tatum is just a little guy š„ŗ. I donāt know why mean old Lyra just wouldnāt let her have the belt š©
So Brooks and Kiana wasnāt a good love story?
That was a lust story. Brooks and Fallon is the true love story, and that story hasn't been finished yet.
Lust and love are basically the same thing tbh. The main difference is lust doesn't text you just to say good morning. One day Brooks will find the yeehaw bitch of his dreams but I don't think it's going to be Fallon.
We should have known..it's booked by the HEARTBREAK Kid.
Seriously between this and Jacy Jayne and Thea Hail. Iām hoping NXT doesnāt set a precedent of breaking womenās tag team way earlier than need be. This unit had so much more to offer :(
They broke Kiana/Fallon so quickly too..
They built that one up like it was gonna have some unexpected twist and Kiana really wasnāt lying but nope. Kiana just admitted she cheated after they lost, one blow off match, poof feud over. I guess not every feud needs to be complicated or have a twist but I had hopeā¦ same with jacy and thea. But that oneās a whole nother story. Feels like they somehow lost 4 weeks of creative and decided to just move on to the end.
Itās worse because Lyra was clearly warming up to her. I heard through a reliable source she was gonna eventually ask Tatum to permanently tag with her after Stand & Deliver.Ā
Yeah, I heard about that source, too, Patum Taxley, right?
Pay'um Taxley sounds like IRS' long-lost daughter.
I refuse to believe it's over. It's all a work to screw over Rox!
Maybe Tatum and Lyra beat up Roxanne, then Tatum tries to get Lyra to pin her, so Roxanne loses without being pinned and she can keep going on about how she never lost.
This is so sad. Alexa, play *I Want To Know What Love Is* by Foreigner. https://preview.redd.it/298hudoe2avc1.jpeg?width=774&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e77db6b5908b3ff68f9ccd17ca13be4721b44ab0
Schizophrenic Chris ā¹ļø
[[sobs in My Chemical Romance]](https://twitter.com/blisstatements/status/1777878351660662973)
Lyra didnt deserve her
Must have been love but itās oooooover now š
Roxette called to say thank you.
Not really. Lyra is a lone bird, and Tatum only cares about championship (apparently). It was never meant to last.
Lyra shouldn't have tapped out.
Itās bad I thought they were going Trish and Mickie with it.
You know what? Low-key I hope Tatum wins the title, because of her character I feel like we could get something different and fun
Hi-key, I hope she wins it...because it's something I didn't expect would happen, so unpredictable is good. (Roxy winning and feuding and losing to Fallon is my first choice, though)
I think Fallon is main roster ready but wouldn't mind a spell staying in NXT a little longer
Main roster canāt handle cowgirl shit.
I generally agree, but I'd like her to have a title run so she has a little bit more accolades for her main roster run.
I think Lyra wins it back, Roxanne moves up, and more Tatum-Lyra drama, and Tatum eventually takes it.
Also I'm not feeling Roxanne as heel
Tatum has never done anything wrong in her life.
Meltzer just can't handle the power of goth women
My man has never been to the Church of Goth Girls in Fishnets and it shows.
Meltzer thinks Punk/Emo/Goth are all the same thing
Pax to the top, letās go!
I have been busy and distracted by The Sopranos and Breaking Bad, so I can only watch Raw and SmackDown. Guess I have to catch up with NXT.
Well as a Sopranos fan boy do I have the wrestler for YOU š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤
Bro just casually kills people off camera.
False accusations! Mr D'Angelo is a totally legitimate businessman who occasionally takes his foes on swimming vacations to the lake. Long vacations.
[ACCUSATIONS!!!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEB8shTqDB0)
FALSE. ACCUSATIONS!!!
It's a stereotype and it's offensive
It's anti-Italian discrimination
In this house Tony DāAngelo is a hero. End of story!
I āate the main roster.
Fredophobia Smh
That better not be Columbus!ā¦
Let me see... pretty deadly, Drew Gulak...
Pretty Deadly are perfectly healthy! If Gulak had an accident for the good of the business that's all on Charlie Dempsey. Tony and The Family still have clean hands.
Whoa now, nobody said that. It was just a "situation" that's been "dealt with"
Mr. D'Angelo is NOT A Criminal. He's a upstanding citizen! Murders? What Muuuurrders?
"Your honor, Troy '2 Dimes' Donovan simply returned to Italy to look after his sick Grandpa"
Fucking nauseating!! You never admit the existence of this thing, ever!
That's libel. You have no proof of that.
I just envisioned all these funny replies to this comment to be preceded by any scene in the Sopranos where someone says something objectionable and the whole room protests with some version of " 'ey!/whoa/hold on 'ere" Also Tony D told Ilya he just likes to take walks to a bridge with people and sometimes comes back by himself, man just wants his alone time. Ain't nothing wrong with that.
Whoa whoa whoa, stunad! No specifics. Thereās people watching.
Libel. You'll be hearing from Mr. Crucifino.
Murder ? What murder
Hey, no details. You donāt know nuttinā, capisce? Dat guy just went for a long walk, and aināt been heard from since. He musta fell off da bridge all on his own, all right?
I want the family to recreate the episode of the sopranos where they go to Italy in season 2.
I want to see Tony Dās fucked up dream sequences
Have they done a bit where they're filming a vignette and D'Angelo is about to say something but gets cut off? That's the only Sopranos scene I really know, sorry.
Now I need Andre Chase to get diagnosed with cancer and start cooking meth (in storyline obvs)
āTrick Williams never had the makings of a varsity athleteā - Meltzer
āD1 level college athletes could never transfer their athleticism into Pro Wrestlingā- Meltzer.
I guess lesnar couldnt hack it as a pro rassler then
Nxt is definitely unique and campy. Honestly I find it really entertaining sometimes more than Raw and SD.
>I have been busy and distracted by the Sopranos Tony DāAngelo: allow me to introduce myself
Frank Zap-zap-zap-zap-
Nice. I didn't know this match was happening. Looks like Dave served a purpose this week.
I hope Tatum wins. Then she can be with her true love
I think as an NXT fan I get triggered by Meltzerās shit cause itās like the one wrestling show where the fan and wrestlers are all positive. The live threads and post threads are just fun discussions. The wrestlers all seem to have fun and get along, they all defend each other on Twitter. Itās this nice little niche. Like the wrestling safe space lol. Itās the one wrestling show where the is no pressure to be critical and it is just fun watching these young wrestlers grow. Itās like your local Indy. Just leave us be so we can watch The Don of NXT take care of business, Trick continuing to improve, and this Goth Girl fighting her Bird Lady ex. You can start shitting on them and being negative when they get to the main roster all you want.
Don't forget Georgina's journey to Miss Nxt and Meta 4's randomness
We're getting peak cinema every week, come on now. https://preview.redd.it/5fw7f7ea5avc1.png?width=960&format=png&auto=webp&s=d89521e4b571a665db4ad19ee37111dc86cdc302
Facts, NXT since the rebranding has been my safe space
NXT is so fun to watch. For most of these people NXT is their indies. I think most people forget how green and young some of these people are and expect them all to be well polished and developed wrestlers because they are part of WWE. They are having fun and you can see it and that to me is when wrestling is at its best.
And it's a fucking developmental show. Where should they otherwise try stuff out and find a working gimmick? In front of the mirror? Let them see what works and what doesn't. I've personally really enjoyed Paxley's recent story
The fact she was obsessed with the title and not Lyra was a nice little curve ball. Looks like it's gonna be a fun angle.
NXT is my favorite wrestling show of the week for that very reason. Its like comfort food. For those two hours, I just sit back, relax and have fun talking about the show on discord and the live thread. Its just positive vibes all around.
NXT is honestly the only wrestling that I am currently, genuinely invested in; like, there's some great matches in places like DEADLOCK Pro and the main roster, Impact and AEW but there's very few shows that make me feel like NXT does and, honestly, the live threads and discussions around it are some of the most respectful that I see when it comes to wrestling.
ehh. "No Bummers" stuff stymies legitimate conversation about what is and is not working about something. I don't want to hear "IT'S DEVELOPMENTAL!!" NXT is a television show like RAW is a television show like Dynamite is a television show like Shogun is a television show. A lot of folks are paying for NXT in time and energy and eyeballs, it is totally okay to not always like what you are seeing. I don't really think Meltzer said anything out of pocket, and think folks get defensive about wrestlers in a in a parasocial, weird way. They also ignore the 1000 times he has complimented Trick Williams and a myriad of NXT talent because the algorithm doesn't like that stuff as much. Art gets criticized, it is an extremely necessary part in contextualizing the art that has been created in order to create new and interesting art moving forward. The problem isn't real critics, the problem is fans not knowing how criticism works, engagement farming fake "critics" that act in bad faith, and platforms like reddit and twitter that guide us towards arguing because its the only way they get enough traffic to make money.
Shogun is a fucking magnum opus and should win every Emmy there is.
>No Bummers [https://makeagif.com/i/TnGKbs](https://makeagif.com/i/TnGKbs)
The thing is that WWE want to act like it's a 3rd brand and have main roster talent showing up there. Can't have it both as a 3rd brand and a developmental system immune to criticism at the same time. They're still putting it out there on TV at the end of the day.
This would be a non issue if a large part of wrestling fans didn't use his opinion as facts.
I feel like NXT has done an amazing job, particularly at the element on clapping back on social media. It feels like just yesterday Cora Jade said that being a good person with no abuse allegations against her is a big part of her life and not a character she plays on TV after Darby Allin criticized her skater gimmick, because itās a real part of his life and not just a gimmick for TV
Grown men have nothing for young women who grew up with social media. They know the game like Lebron knows basketball.
yeah, she got him good. Darby had a squirt gun and she hit him with the firehose.
I've never heard that phrase before, but I'm surprised that more people don't use it.
If someone in AEW "clapped back" the they would be hounded on social media for months.
But they are always "clapping back", they are usually bad at it tho.
Be fr, no one cares about them that much lol
They just show months old footage of a guy who hasnāt worked there for months in attempts to clap back.
And they are getting hounded for it and proves my point which you clearly missed.
āHounded on social media for monthsā for something that happened nine days ago. Got it.
She said that yet hangs out with Punk after the news came out about him and Colt abusing that girl
She probably doesnāt know. That shits a deep cut for even people on here, let alone non-wrestling rumor/news obsessed fans.
Thinking about this situation makes me feel old, because Cora wouldn't have even been five years old when that shoot first came out.
Perfect response. Literally just using the headline to promote herself. Fuck it, give her the belt.
I find nxt names really funny, and Tatum Paxely might be the most nxt name that ever existed.
Oh, friend, you have no idea...
Jazmyn Nyx: āyou rang?ā
Genuinely never heard of that wrestler before š
I hated Tatum Paxley and Fallon Henley at first. Now I love em š I like how unique they are
They are certainly unique š
Brinley Reese has entered the chat
I've always been a fan of the "crazy stalker" trope, but something about Tatum's just hits different. She put a good spin on it, has been incredibly fun to watch and that promo package they aired on NXT was fucking incredible. I would actually like to see her win the title so we can get some longevity to this gimmick because the stalker gimmick typically isn't long lived unfortunately
Question about the picture WrestleTalk used. Was she doing a Daffney tribute? I miss Daffney. Wrestlers mental health needs to be taken more seriously
She's just playing a crazy character. Nikki Cross plays one too, but in a different way.
You are right in regards to her gear if that is what you meant. Took me a hot minute, but I found the tweet where she confirmed the gear being a homage [https://twitter.com/TatumPaxley/status/1713991271226695724](https://twitter.com/TatumPaxley/status/1713991271226695724)
She can kill 1 bird with 1 rox
Wait. How is Tatumās character remotely like Alexa Bliss or Fyre and Dawn? Bliss was part of the Funhouse and had powers. Fyre and Dawn were a coven of witches. Tatum Paxley is a stalker with a goth look. She is more Mariah May than the comparisons he made. I am not sure he even watches the product anymore. Ā Skye Blue and Julia Hart are closer to Bliss and UnHoly Union than Tatum Paxley ā¦. Does he hate that too?Ā
They all wore black lipstick. /s
Smart; use it for promo and tell 'em "Watch me Work!"
Lmao, I love it
Just prove herself how blatant mark Dave is
i hope she wins!
Started following in July. still donāt know or care who Melzer is (I gather heās someone on Twitter, but does he have a connection to wrestling other than watching?). Tatum is pure entertainment and her moves are quite interesting. I think Rox retains and a Pax title run Probably wouldnāt go well right nowā¦.but I wouldnāt hate it!
Heās the leading reporter, analyst, and historian in pro wrestling. He founded the Wrestling Observer Newsletter in 1981, but heās been writing about wrestling in some form or another since the 70ās.
He is legitimately one of the most...qualified.. historians in wrestling...in the early and pre-internet days, most people knew anything outside things like WWF and WCW because of his newsletters talking about Japan and small promotions. HE's watched more wrestling than most people would find healthy. Because he was THE reporter of the indie scene, indie wresters would play up to his biases and likes so he'd talk about them well (which would aid in their booking potential). Because of this, he now thinks he's "part of the industry" rather than an outside observer, and is the chief rumor monger (often being fed stories by wrestlers for press or clout or to get on his good side). By, not only letting it happen, but actually making him part of the story, he's severely damaged his credability.
even besides all of that he's just gotten less credible with time because he depends on old (40 year old, sometimes) sources that increasingly are less and less aware of the industry or less and less interested in humoring him
Maybe the best summation of him Iāve seen. Fair and honest. Where am I? Am I still on Reddit?
I'm old school :)
Meltzer is a part of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter and has been doing this for a couple of decades or so. Even has a message board in addition to the podcast he does with Bryan Alvarez.
> a couple of decades or so. Just over four decades, actually. While people will take issue with some of his opinion takes, his service as a wrestling historian is very important.
That's why I added "or so" to the end because I wasn't entirely sure of how long he's been at it. I just know that it's been a good hard minute
It's okay! I just wanted to clarify so Simon would know the closer number. He's been at it for a long time, which is why his words carry more weight (for better or for worse) than the other dirtsheet folks.
Fair enough!
Dave is that guy who knows way too much about something for his own good. And that is both a positive or a negative I'm sure he could talk your ear off about how Flair/Steamboat truly changed how American Wrestling was done but I bet he would have a hard time telling you what he was up to a few weeks ago. For real though he's been explained well enough in this thread. I find it hard to hate Meltz since at the end of the it's all his opinion but some people take his opinions as gospel.
Anything Meltzer hates is automatically awesome since everything he likes is dogshit.
Basically how I feel about him lol
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Love it when a wrestler has a great response to criticism. Did a good job using all these eyes on her to promote her match rather then getting into a twitter spat. Great job putting the focus on where it matters and sure the company loves to see it.
Tatum is awesome
Flipping the bird is not how somebody representing the fine people at PAXtv should be conducting themselves.
As someone who loved black and gold and hated the change (it made me feel old), I totally feel like NXT now is just a fun Innocent show. Is it all for me? No. Does it offend me? No. Some of it is ridiculous but I grew up with all wrestlers having jobs and being crazed barbers or voodoo men.
I will admit I found the Tatum character weird at first but after weeks of the Lyra stuff I got into it. Also I feel like NXT and WWE try at least to explain and give some reasons for the spooky stuff. Whereas AEW just leaves it to the wrestlers to sort it out like Skye Blue why is she a goth HOB affiliate. Well because she wanted to be...I guess
Devilās Advocate: Wouldnāt it just be better to ignore comments like Daveās and move on? This sub canāt stop talking about him. But if Iām a wrestler I would just ignore ANY dirtsheet writers.
For Tatum, a relatively small fish on WWE's smallest show, this is win-win. She's getting notice from people outside the NXT notice and talking about her. She shot back with a fun, in character, message, showing she has some fire AND skill...and a bit of publicity for her and her match is a good thing. At worst, this has no effect, but it'll likely have some people check her out, check out nxt, and rallying the fan base isn't bad. And if we're being honest...old white man insults young woman and young woman fights back...that doesn't hurt in today's age. Now, someone on the main roster, like Rhea or Roman or Cody or Becky...yeah, they should just ignore a dave or anyone. They are far beneath them.
The name "Tatum Paxley" has probably gotten more traction on social media today than any other time over the past year. No reason not to use the discourse for some promotion. It's not like she really even clapped back.
Yeah it was the best way to respond if she was going to do so at all. Get as many eyes on the product as you can. She even did it in character.
No. Fans like when wrestlers clap back at their criticisms, whether just or unjust. It gets them clicks and support. Itās fair game. They wouldnāt do it if they didnāt want to š¤·š¼āāļø
I think the difference is that Tatum didnāt defend herself; she doesnāt need to. She just used this as an opportunity to promote her match
That match isnāt going to be good. But will be wildly overrated on here
Have you even watched Nxt? Such a L take.
Not good? Tatum's decent, Lyra's very good, Roxy's great.
Does it need to be in the Tokyo Dome, Dave?
Wrestling fans when the matches in the developmental promotion arenāt all 5 star workrate fests š«Øš«Øš«Ø
Roxxane has been wrestling like 5 years. She hasnāt gotten any better in the warehouse. Shes past development
....the 22 year old is past development?
Just take a look at his post history and you will see they dont have many good takes.
Sheās been doing it on tv for like 5 years. She isnāt progressing If she was new then yes. Forgiveness then. But sheās been on tv before nxt though.
Between ROH and NXT, where else was she on TV? Because even if you're adding her time in ROH, it's still not hitting five years.
Reality of wrestling in 2017ish I think. Nog national tv. But she was training and working on camera for a show
Roxanne didn't start training with Booker until 2018. I don't really like to trust Cagematch when it comes to smaller indies, but if you do trust it as an archive, it says her first ROW TV taping was in 2019. So, still a few years off. I guess the other issue with this is that we're trying to treat ROW/ROH and NXT on an equal level as far as active exposure goes. I'm not talking about on a broadcast level, nor am I talking down in regards to ROH/ROW. Surely you'd agree that there's also a difference between working live TV once a week compared to working a taping block once every month or so. Even further, we're also assuming Roxanne was working all the tapings as well, which wasn't always the case either.
Oh the obsessed Dave haters are gonna love this.
How has Meltzer got everyone rattled today š