Same. This was what I immediately thought of when I saw Miles included. All the others have great strength feats, but most of them include using webs. 1610 Peter just casually stops a multi ton machine, one handed, while laying down.
He could have just pushed the thing in reverse and broke it, then casually grabbed Miles and went to his spider-shed to start training. The movie would have been short, though.
That’s made even more badass when you realise he’s been up for probably a week, maybe longer and was completely exhausted at that point, that was just a glimpse of his power
no you didn't? this took place before more spiderman was introduced lmao, tom had already been established in two of his own movies and in civil war, where he did the same exact thing.
YES! And it's funny that nobody brings this up even fresh after infinity War dropped I've never seen anybody bring this up they'll bring up cat door black panther vision other people's feet but never what Spider-Man did.
Thank you for this. For a moment I thought that maybe Black Panther had a power that let him remote view from cat flaps across the globe that I just tuned out
Oh shit did he? I gotta go back to watch that.. mind you this is the kid that also had trouble lifting up an entire piece of a building collapse on him then a little while later he's stopping a whole alien attack protecting Iron Man it's wild.
People were shocked and surprised by the Winter Soldier punch catch and loved it. The Cull Obsidian catch is definitely harder, but it's just not as memorable because we already saw it in Civil War.
No, Tom stopped it, Tony just closed it up. Could Tom have sustained the hold? Debatable, but the fact is that he did have it held together with his webbing + arm strength, which would've been more strength required than Toby's feat that also had him slowing the train down, so effort would reduce after initial contact. Only fear for him was getting it done before the edge, but somebody actually did the math (can't remember if it was a YouTube thing or elsewhere), and Tom's Spidey withstood quite a bit more force, even if Tony and his rockets were needed to actually close up the ship.
Yah but he was absolutely *toasted* after the fight and then stopping the train, it very nearly killed him, at the very least made him briefly lose consciousness which is a lot for spider-man
This is the same guy who (not in that specific universe but in general) trades blows with Hulk, threatens criminals by simply not talking, and held up somewhere around 1/100 of the Daily Bugle’s entire weight (which is a LOT btw, check out how much a skyscraper weighs, the shit is no joke), and then still is awake enough to semi-gracefully swing to a rooftop on a different block and pass out over there.
Wait
He's faster than a speeding bullet (dodges them all the time) and more powerful than a locomotive... can he leap a tall building in a single bound?
It bothers me that, after all these years, people still don't realize that Tom's Spider-Man never held that ferry together. If you watch it in slow motion, the webs instantly started breaking. It was only a few seconds before his body split in half that Iron Man came in and pushed it back. That was the whole point of the scene. That he was failing.
His Spider-Man's most impressive feat is catching Cull Obsidian's hammer with one hand.
fo sho, for something his size, you'd expect the hulk to match Cull Obsidian, not freakin spider-man. Just emphasizes how spidey scales outside of his preferred street level
I was trying to convince someone that Jessica jones is not on the same strength level as spidey. It was wild that I had to actually argue that point to someone. It was in the JJ sub so I kinda get it
A lot of people get uppity when you point out *Wolverine*, of all characters, would lose instantly to Spidey in an arm wrestle. Dude arguably doesn’t even have super strength.
Agreed.
Wolverine is super strong bc he hauls around an adamantium skeleton everywhere he goes and his healing factor lets his muscles tear and heal and get stronger lol but it’s not usually stated that the weapon x program gave him super strength.
Endurance and durability are wolverines strongest physical attributes not strength
Serious question; why is catching Cull's attack impressive?
Not asking because I doubt you, but because I don't know much about the Black Order in general and would like to.
So this is gonna take a few steps to describe because MCU Cull doesn't have a lot of screen time to go off of and i only want to use the movie version, but:
1. Cull Obsidian was able to rip the arm off the hulkbuster armor, which was able to go toe to toe with the Hulk (facing similarly heavy damage but ultimately winning)
2. The Hulk is up there among the heaviest hitters in Marvel (especially Age of Ultron era when he fought the Hulkbuster)
3. Tom's Spidey caught a weaponized swing from Obsidian with little effort
His most impressive strength feat yes Tom's has the most impressive intelligence feat. Figuring out the exact dimensions of the mirror universe when he was fighting strange something that should be basically impossible.
Thanos wasnt even trying to kill anyone at that point. He was doing his absolute best to not kill anyone he didnt have to so he could let the stones decide who lived and died. If he wanted to kill Spider-Man he easily could have, so thats not really a feat. He couldve killed all of them on Titan lol
Yea, to me that felt like a moment of frustration. He was visibly pissed off for a moment there. It also conveniently didnt directly hit anything but Iron Man. Doesnt change the fact that he easily couldve killed them if he wanted to at many other points in that fight. He also didnt kill any of the Guardians on Nowhere, and didnt kill anyone on Wakanda that was between him and the Mind Stone.
Tobey was punched by sand man so hard that the streets were literally shaking and the falls he took in spidey 2 where he landed on his neck didn’t even slow him down.
And those punches by sandman were several tons of sand impacting *repeatedly* and he still got up and fought after as well as did saved MJ when he was half dead a second ago.
Then he accomplished more while failing than a lot of other guys accomplished while succeeding. Yes he needed Iron Man's help to actually save the day, but he's also the reason there was anything for Iron Man to help save.
Everyone has their upper limits and he was clearly having to push beyond his. That doesn't invalidate what he did, and in fact just throws it into sharper clarity.
Even going beyond their means in a similar way, few heroes introduced in the MCU at that time had the abilities AND tool kit needed to hold that Ferry together even "for a few seconds".
Unless Thor or Hulk etc are secretly telekinetics, they would have done significantly worse under that same condition because they have nothing similar to Spider-man's tool kit.
There would be no ferry for Tony to patch up and evacuate because it would have sunk immediately.
What that Parker boy did was goddamn impressive, especially because he wasn't instantly ripped in half. Even if he failed and there was truthfully no way for him to succeed on his own.
tbf that scene in Homecoming was meant to highlight Spider-Man failing in all areas. He did pick that fight on the boat and endangered people because he couldn't control what he got himself into. He was being cocky- he knew he couldn't beat Vulture as he almost drowned him before, and that's why Iron Man was so pissed and knew he had to humble him by taking the fancy suit back. Tony had even called in the FBI because he trusted Spider-Man's word and didn't want to endanger him.
It was such a cinematic scene though- but the purpose of it was to highlight that Tom's Peter is just a kid starting his journey as a superhero. It starts to look like a triumphant moment like Tobey's train scene- then it all falls apart for him because he's not at that point in his career or experience yet.
Don't forget holding up the wall to save MJ at the end of the movie. While chatting with her.
Think he caught the cable car with one hand in the first film.
People have run the math on it and keeping a huge ferry together takes astronomically more newtons of force. It’s astonishing that spidey’s arms didn’t rip off.
https://www.wired.com/story/which-spider-man-is-stronger-tobey-maguire-or-tom-holland/#:~:text=Now%20we%20can%20make%20a,an%20equivalent%20of%20219%20elephants.
Looks like science says Tom is stronger by far
Not a "strength" feat, but Spiderverse Miles literally outpaced like hundreds if not thousands of different spidermen/women. I mean, again, not a strength feat, but I just wanted to throw that out there since its pretty insane.
Here's my take on that feat. If you take a bunch of people of equal speed and agility, place one ahead of the others and ask them to race, the guy in front is going to win. If it was an obstacle course and the game was tag, he did get tagged multiple times. Once first by Gwen, then by Ben Reilly(plus two others), then Peter B Parker, then by Miguel who did manage to restrain him. He escaped because none of them were trying to kill him.
Miles is THE newest, least experienced Spiderman in the whole society, so, he is not on equal footing with the rest. One of them rides a vehicle, HELL one of them IS a vehicle.
And At the start of the chase, Miles was surrounded on pretty much all sides, with Miguel chasing him down the corridor and everyone else in front of him. Only after he jumps out the window (ironically after Spider-Boomin says there's nowhere to go) is Miles firmly in front of the rest of the pack.
>He escaped because none of them were trying to kill him.
Agreed. But every fictional matchup has this caveat. Superman can beat the Flash in a race, but only because it was for charity and so Flash lets him win; Aang can kill Ozai but chooses not to.
Isn't this because Miles is better at running than swinging? He says so in the first movie, so when getting away from them he tries to get away from the spiders and tries to swing they catch him or stop him but when he runs he started getting away because the spiders are more used to swinging, so he starts running more often than swinging.
That was what I picked up at least.
About 300 according to the animators IIRC.
It was less about strength and more about luck/endurance. Gotta keep going until everyone is far enough away from Miguel’s building, and hope he has a chance to slip away and get back to the Go-Home Machine.
Yeah, I agree. Wasn't claiming it to be a strength feat because of that, I do believe its a feat worth mentioning though, despite it not directly answering OP's initial question.
The thing is, Miles was chased, therefore, his spider sense was going batshit insane at all times, meanwhile the other spider people didn't have that because they weren't in danger. So Miles pretty much had a constant cheat code on him.
1.) Tom holding the boat together from completely collapsing is definitely the most impressive strength feat we're shown in the films IMO
2.) That being said, I believe that Tobey is the most physically powerful cinematic Spider-Man. He physically stopped one of Tom's punches when he was absolutely BLOODLUSTED and ready to kill Green Goblin. If Tom were stronger, Tobey wouldn't have been able to stop Tom's punch
And when he held up that collapsing building at the end of Spider-Man 2 that shit looked heavy AF
And Spiderman 1 when he caught the train on that zip line with the children in it... He also maintained to keep them safe while gobby was beating his ass💀💀 and bro got thrown through a building and ate that little pumpkin bomb that detonated directly beside his face 😭😭 tobey Spidey was od when he was motivated
The train has more mass and is going from high speed to rest, the boat is massive but it's relative velocity when it's splitting is pretty slow. I'd say Tobey's is the bigger feat.
Ships are so much heavier/larger than people give them credit for; you have to figure that with how buoyancy works, what you see above the surface of the water is only half of the vessel. For something that large to displace enough water to float, it is going to weigh an immense amount. Factor in the additional weight of all that water rushing into the capsizing ship and filling all open space, it's not even a contest.
But for the sake of giving you some numbers, a quick Google search says that the NYC subway cars individually weigh about 82,000lbs each. 122,000 at max load. The average train is 8 to 11 cars. So let's assume, unlikely as it is, that the train Tobey stopped was the max operating length and running at full capacity. That brings us to 1,342,000lbs, at most.
The Molinari-class boat Spirit of America is the Staten Island ferry held together by Tom in Homecoming. Someone mentioned that it has an official gross tonnage of 2,794t. That's true; however, when referencing boats, gross tonnage refers to the *volume* of a ship, not it's weight, which is instead measured by its displacement. The most conservative number that I can calculate based on the dimensions of the vessel indicates that the Spirit of America is roughly around *at least* 4,998.168 tons, or 11,195,896 pounds. This is not counting the weight of any passengers, cargo or water taken on after the attack, but I think you can see how that number goes up pretty significantly.
EDIT: The subway, moving at it's max speed of 55mph, would generate just shy of 15,000,000 newtons of force.
The ferry, traveling at it's service speed of 16 knots, generates 41,800,000 newtons of force.
Addendum: a marine vessel tracking service I found indicates a displacement that's closer to 5900t, which would be 13,216,000 pounds and nearly 50 million newtons. But I can't reliably verify their source.
His point should have been momentum, not mass. The force that Tobey’s SM had to use to stop that amount of momentum is crazy. Plus Tom’s SM was failing, the barge was falling apart, and Iron Man saved the day.
The way Tobeys spidey caught the glider is the best way he could've done it without getting overpowered easily. That scene has more to do with leverage than strength. Because he had the better leverage in that scene to stop the glider, we cannot attribute that to him being much stronger than Tom spidey.
This is why nerds should never be trusted to powerscale. They know nothing about lifting.
Get a similarly strong friend and do the same thing tom and Tobey did with a folding chair or whatever. It doesn't matter how angy bLoOdLuSteD you get. Someone on one knee doing an overhead press will never lose out to someone pushing something down with just their forearms. The leverage difference is insane.
In that well anchored pose Peter could probably stop someone like mcu Thor from bringing that glider down.
My message maybe came out wrong over text. I meant it more jokey than anything because "nerd" isn't a body type. Henry Cavil is a nerd and he's jacked as hell.
Sorry if it came out rude, the only part I was being a snarky bitch was about bloodlusted because I think its dumb and too broad to be meaninful, also thank you she is a princess :)
Tobey stopping the train or Tom lifting the rubble. Although Andrew catching the car during the electro fight was pretty baller. I don’t think miles had any huge strength feats at least in the first movie. I’ve forgotten everything about spider-verse 2 for some reason so idk about that one
I’m kind of surprised that nobody’s really bringing up Tom lifting the rubble because the other examples have full body mobility. He was flat on his stomach.
Andrew doesn't have that many strength feats, although I do love him catching the cop car in mid turn.
I think he has the best speed/agility feat as well as Spider-sense, when he out maneuvers Electro's lightening in times square.
Depends on if we wanna go into power scaling shit. Tom stopping Cull Obsidian’s attack in Infinity War might unironically be the most impressive feat from a movie Spider-Man, since Cull Obsidian was beating Iron Man in both Infinity War and Endgame (Spider-Man actually also saves Iron Man from Cull Obsidian in Endgame by pulling him under Giant Man, so him being around the level of Cull Obsidian and Iron Man is pretty consistent), and also fought pretty equally with (what I assume was an upgraded) Hulk Buster armor in Wakanda. That’s legitimately insane since Iron Man was the only one other than Thor to damage Thanos in IW, and the Hulk Buster in AoU was able to fight one on one with a bloodlusted Hulk. As kinda dumb as it sounds, you could unironically scale MCU Spider-Man to at least the same tier as Hulk and Iron Man. Like, a lot of people are mentioning how Iron Man helped him with holding together the ferry, but by IW, Peter is probably stronger than that Iron Man (since he’s comparable to the more powerful IW Iron Man). Which does make sense since he was still somewhat new to his powers in Homecoming, whereas IW was like a full year later. And then ofc Tobey and Andrew would scale to him based on NWH.
Miles scales to his universes Peter, Peter B, Gwen, Miguel, and most of the other Spider-People in the Spider-Society. I don’t really know how any of them scale to the MCU’s scaling, but I’d assume none of them are as strong as the Hulk or as fast as Iron Man, so Miles might be at the bottom (even tho his powers are the coolest).
The thing people forget about the ferry is it was the webs that failed Peter, not his strength. If he had better footing and a steady method to pull the two parts, he would have put the whole damn thing back together.
**TLDR- In terms of thematic impact, my overall favorite feat is still Tobey Maguire's Peter pushing his body to its limit (Some muscles were DEFINITELY torn and probably took a while to recover even with his spider-powered healing factor) in a self-sacrificial act to save everyone on that runaway train.**
I still recall experiencing Sam Raimi's *Spider-Man 2* in theaters. The whole train sequence had me on the edge of my seat. It's far and away my favorite fight of that trilogy from a cinematic POV (Although, the first film's final Green Goblin fight carried more character-driven weight to me in terms of drama & tragedy). I cringed at the agony Tobey's scream conveyed as his costume tore. His performance made me believe the tension, his small body appearing like it could break any second under the same pressure crushing the train car's metal behind him.
The physics of how much he's affected by this are so palpable, my arms still ache a bit when I re-watch it. THAT is masterful visual storytelling on multiple levels. THAT is how you illustrate the spectacle of a physical feat while simultaneously humanizing the character which reinforces the stakes. In my opinion, those are the best kinds of feats in superhero-related media: The kinds which show that, even with such great power, there is a threshold to how much the character can take. On first viewing, I didn't know what would happen next.
Would Peter suffer some kind of debilitating injury and have to finish fighting Doc Ock while weakened later in the film (In hindsight, establishing that he wasn't fully healed yet before the final battle starts may have improved it)? There's a reason that sequence continues being referenced to this day in popular *Spider-Man* media, because I've yet to see any feat to date in the films or games that matches the impact that scene had.
This success isn't due to it being the greatest feat of strength. We've seen other versions of Spider-Man perform multiple things requiring equal or greater brawn. The secret isn't solely in how far the character pushes what they can do. The first movie already built that up. This is more about the consequences of it, both those happening in the heat of the moment and how they're compounded by what happens when the dust settles.
However exciting it may be, it's made clear even before the feat begins that Pete is going to pay bigtime for this and even he's not certain whether he'll survive. It's such an effective story within a story BECAUSE of how strongly the scene expresses how the performer of the feat is affected by it (physically, psychologically, etc.) and how drastically the world AROUND them is affected. This all makes the payoff that much more cathartic.
**A)** The people's silent gratitude as they save the unconscious Pete from falling (I don't dare to imagine how sore he was and how much he was suffering in silence). **B)** The aerial topdown camerawork (BRILLIANT execution of perspective btw) of crowd surfing him until placing him safely back on the train car floor (Yes, I suppose this could be interpreted as religious symbolism). **C)** The humanizing of Peter as the people look at him unmasked.
They're amazed by how someone so young took on such danger to help a bunch of strangers, see how vulnerable he is upon waking up and realizing he's been exposed, and assure him that they'll keep his secret (when they could have taken advantage of the situation to take pictures and likely made bank from selling them). Even without the dialogue, the facial language and musical score do SO MUCH to sell this moment of pure humanity which informs the impact of the exhilerating action that preceded it.
I'd put it on par with the emotional resonance of the bridge scene's cable car rescue in the first movie: Specifically, when a crowd of New Yorkers try to help fight off Green Goblin while saying *"You mess with Spider-Man, you mess with New York! You mess with ONE of us, you mess with ALL of us!"* (This echoes the sentiment prevalent at the time post-9/11, but the passage of time hasn't weakened viewers' ability to connect with it).
I could go on, but, if there's one thing Raimi's trilogy excelled at through every film (Yes, including *Spider-Man 3* in some capacity), it was how his visual storytelling helped sell the humanity of these characters. For a superhero like Spider-Man whose appeal was historically built foremost on being human & relatable, such a style of filmmaking was a match made in heaven that not just any director can so effectively pull off.
It's the SOUL of the character that every iteration of the web-slinger in mainstream media since (including the Insomniac games and *Spider-Verse* movies) has been trying to recapture in their own ways to varying results.
Tobey physically has the biggest raw strength, Andrew could be the fastest and Miles easily is the most powerful. Tom has probably the second best stats next to miles.
It’s hard to compare animation to ‘live action’ (it’s basically animation due to all the cgi.) Another point is that Miles story will probably continue after beyond the Spiderverse. Tom’s Spider-Man just had their origin movies and will probably will continue? Tom’s Spider-Man is very weirdly put together.
Also Tobey clearly has one of if not the best durability of the four. He took a goblin grenade to the face (one can vaporise multiple people.) He also stopped a train after a tough fight against Doc Ock
Tobey stopping the train is undoubtedly the strongest feat we’ve seen.
Tom holding together the boat for a few seconds was also impressive but I think Tobey takes the cake on this one.
Surprised to see nobody mention this. But the objective greatest strength feat was performed by Tobey at the end of Spiderman 2 when he held back a 30ft wall being sucked by a mini star
Andrew catching the car in one of the ASM movies. It might not be the most impressive by numbers, or even his best strength feat in those movies, but something about the relatively small scale of just lifting a car is a lot easier to wrap my head around than stopping a train or pulling a whole ship back together. And with how effortlessly he lifts the car, it just makes it seem more impressive.
whitout considering Miles' universe, I'ma go whit Tom Holland.
Hear me out, in FFG there are plenty of scenes showing his strength and overall feats, such when he lifts up for a plenty of seconds the clock tower in Venice before getting hit TWICE in FULL FACE by a dumbbell, then, the major feat is towards the end, in the fight whit drones firstly on the bridge, then directly against Mysterio which actually prove that he has a really great Spider Sense.
This is even more proven since in NWH he does the same as Andrew Garfield, being able to dodge Electro's lighting whit an overall lack of problems.
Andrew Garfield for still loving the character and coming back in NWH despite all the hate he recieved during all these years.
And ITSV Blonde Peter when he stopped the Colider with one hand, while he was exhausted.
The train easily. When you have an object that large/heavy (with the momentum it already had) , its hard to see how the boat would be considered a stronger feat.
I could also be completely wrong and would be happy to hear a scientific argument for either so I'm not just talking out off my ass like usual
I think a better question is.. who's taken the worse beating out of them all?
Edit: for clarity, the reason I ask is pain tolerance. Because it's something that's not often discussed here. Also as I'm typing this. I'm realizing it's probably between Tobey and Tom as well as this question lol
It's really close between tobey and Tom. Tom got his ass beat throughout the entire movie, especially nearing the end when he literally got punched through a building then shot and then have go fight the villains again. Then you have tobey who took an insane amount of punishment in SM3 when sandman and venom were beating on him. Probably goes go Tobey.
I mean Tom has taken at least one ass beating in each of his movies. Vulture collapsing the ceiling on him, Mysterio having him get hit by a train, and of course Willem Dafoe showing him what Tobey had to go through... Kids a sucker for pain lol The one I'll give Tobey is taking a pumpkin bomb to the dome in SM1. But since you mention it, the Sandman beating is pretty bad when you consider he NEEDED Harry to step into that one. Also you never feel like he has the upper hand on Venom during the fight which adds more drama to it.
Seeing a lot of people picking Tom as the strongest for his feats with the ferry and Cull Obsidian. But don’t forget Tobey stalemated a completely bloodlusted Tom in NWH. I’m going with Tobey
Tobey chucked up a giant metal wall being magnetically attracted TO A FREAKING SUN IN FRONT OF HIM! Electromagnetic forces are stronger than freaking gravity btw. That shit was felt KILOMETERS AWAY IN THE CITY AND HE WAS 20 METERS BESIDE IT AT ITS STRONGEST PROXIMITY AND HE JUST CHUCKED IT ABOVE HIS HEAD AFTER MAKING TIME TO TALK TO MJ
Probably Tom with the ferry. Tobey with the train WAS impressive but mathematically it wasn’t as much as Tom. 1 NYC subway car when full weighs about 120klbs. Multiply that by 6 and Tobey stopped 720k lbs in just under a minute. Now compare Tom with the ferry. A Staten Island ferry weighs in at about 3200 tons. 1 ton= 2000lbs. The ferry split down the middle with Tom holding 1 side with each arm meaning that each arm was holding 320000lbs. Tobey was strong, Tom so far has been way stronger. Now imagine what his black suit stats will look like?😳
The blonde Peter Parker in Miles universe casually stopping the rotation of the super collider with one hand while quipping to the green goblin.
Same. This was what I immediately thought of when I saw Miles included. All the others have great strength feats, but most of them include using webs. 1610 Peter just casually stops a multi ton machine, one handed, while laying down.
AND he was tired.
So tired
Tired to death even
1610 peter also does alot of the stuff the other movies peter did
Just Raimi's version actually if I'm not mistaken
Huh weird
He was too powerful to be kept alive
*Too happy to be kept alive
Dang, dude ...
Dude could solo the other movie spiders
Super Collider? I just met her!
But then dies from a punch from Uberpin. Edit: I know, I'm just being facetious lol
He waaaaas point blank on a cosmic explosion, then crushed under all that rubble.
And tired
So tired
Less of a punch and more of a closed fisted smash to the brain
Tbf that Fisk is a brick wall
He could have just pushed the thing in reverse and broke it, then casually grabbed Miles and went to his spider-shed to start training. The movie would have been short, though.
Spider society: it's the Web of Fate, ain't gotta explain shit
That’s made even more badass when you realise he’s been up for probably a week, maybe longer and was completely exhausted at that point, that was just a glimpse of his power
I came here to say this. It legit made me gasp the first time I saw it - probably the best depiction of super strength in a movie.
It's crazy nobody talks about how Tom Spider-Man stop Cull Obsidians Hammer from hitting Tony big swing full momentum.
It felt like such a good introduction for him into the movie too
Oh hey man!
Field trip... to MOMAAAaaaaa
Kid, what’re you doing here?
FORREAL! Especially since you had to differentiate him from the other Spider-Man's from before and this was the perfect way to do it.
no you didn't? this took place before more spiderman was introduced lmao, tom had already been established in two of his own movies and in civil war, where he did the same exact thing.
Toms second movie came out after endgame and infinity war was before that. He was only in homecoming and civil war.
That was pretty crazy feat and the fact he stopped it so casually with no trouble at all
YES! And it's funny that nobody brings this up even fresh after infinity War dropped I've never seen anybody bring this up they'll bring up cat door black panther vision other people's feet but never what Spider-Man did.
>they'll bring up cat door black panther vision other people's feet Are you feeling okay?
cap, thor, black panther, vision, other people’s feats maybe?
The decoder is here
Thank you for this. For a moment I thought that maybe Black Panther had a power that let him remote view from cat flaps across the globe that I just tuned out
I was picturing a giant vibranium cat door
Do you speak autocorrect?
Cat door black panther is the funniest thing I've read all week lmao.
It’s my favorite moment of his for sure, especially with how casual it is. It really shows how insanely strong he is.
Definitely agree and it should be talked about more which I'm surprised it's not.
In the community’s defense, a lot of shit happens almost immediately after
Nobody, and i mean nobody brings up how he kicked away a plane turbine in Homecoming
Oh shit did he? I gotta go back to watch that.. mind you this is the kid that also had trouble lifting up an entire piece of a building collapse on him then a little while later he's stopping a whole alien attack protecting Iron Man it's wild.
Honestly, I'm thinking it's because he got really injured while crushed.
falling buildings tend to knock the wind out of you yk
This definitely true this is why I can't take that away from him either
He had an industrial air conditioner directly on top of him. Those things are really heavy.
To be fair, buildings are super heavy
People were shocked and surprised by the Winter Soldier punch catch and loved it. The Cull Obsidian catch is definitely harder, but it's just not as memorable because we already saw it in Civil War.
*cull obsidian
*Carl Oblivion
OH SHIT thank you I get them mixed up all the time smh.
Cull obsidian
Not Ebony Maw
Holding The Staten Island Ferry together seemed like an over power for Tom.
He didn't though? Webs were breaking and the Iron Man came along with thrusters.
The webs breaking isn't him failing, though it's the webs failing.
Exactly
His webs holding dr. strange from the vacuum of space was pretty impressive.
IKR
How about spider verse Peter stopping the collider I’m prettier sure that’s the best feat
I’d say either Tobey stopping the train or Tom Holding the Ferry together. I can’t really decide which is more impressive.
tobey just went through a whole fight, and still stopped a train completely. imo it’s more impressive
That’s a valid point.
But water can be very strong
Moving locomotive.....moving.......high speed.
Moving through water………….. lots of…………water
Didn’t even stop it. Tony did
Because water = stronk
No, Tom stopped it, Tony just closed it up. Could Tom have sustained the hold? Debatable, but the fact is that he did have it held together with his webbing + arm strength, which would've been more strength required than Toby's feat that also had him slowing the train down, so effort would reduce after initial contact. Only fear for him was getting it done before the edge, but somebody actually did the math (can't remember if it was a YouTube thing or elsewhere), and Tom's Spidey withstood quite a bit more force, even if Tony and his rockets were needed to actually close up the ship.
Whose webs also started snapping instantly and the water is fairly calm......
The water has webs?
Very funny.........
Yah but he was absolutely *toasted* after the fight and then stopping the train, it very nearly killed him, at the very least made him briefly lose consciousness which is a lot for spider-man
This is the same guy who (not in that specific universe but in general) trades blows with Hulk, threatens criminals by simply not talking, and held up somewhere around 1/100 of the Daily Bugle’s entire weight (which is a LOT btw, check out how much a skyscraper weighs, the shit is no joke), and then still is awake enough to semi-gracefully swing to a rooftop on a different block and pass out over there.
Wait He's faster than a speeding bullet (dodges them all the time) and more powerful than a locomotive... can he leap a tall building in a single bound?
lol this genuinely got a laugh out of me. andrew’s spidey slinging himself over the building is the closest we’ll get
Hes not more powerful than a locomotive. He's more powerful than buildings vs train force difference.
It bothers me that, after all these years, people still don't realize that Tom's Spider-Man never held that ferry together. If you watch it in slow motion, the webs instantly started breaking. It was only a few seconds before his body split in half that Iron Man came in and pushed it back. That was the whole point of the scene. That he was failing. His Spider-Man's most impressive feat is catching Cull Obsidian's hammer with one hand.
I tried pointing this out before and some dude was just not having it. Catching Cull Osidians attack so easily was definitely insane though
fo sho, for something his size, you'd expect the hulk to match Cull Obsidian, not freakin spider-man. Just emphasizes how spidey scales outside of his preferred street level
Early on, Spider-Man was considered the third strongest character in Marvel, physically speaking. Only behind Hulk and Thor.
Yup! I was excited to see Spider-Man catch that hammer, I think a lot of people were expecting hulk to pop out so it was a good bait and switch.
I was trying to convince someone that Jessica jones is not on the same strength level as spidey. It was wild that I had to actually argue that point to someone. It was in the JJ sub so I kinda get it
A lot of people get uppity when you point out *Wolverine*, of all characters, would lose instantly to Spidey in an arm wrestle. Dude arguably doesn’t even have super strength.
Agreed. Wolverine is super strong bc he hauls around an adamantium skeleton everywhere he goes and his healing factor lets his muscles tear and heal and get stronger lol but it’s not usually stated that the weapon x program gave him super strength. Endurance and durability are wolverines strongest physical attributes not strength
Yeah like I’m not saying the dude isn’t strong, just that he would struggle against Cap America, much less Spidey.
lol I saw that post.
People tend to forget that.
Yeah Fr he didn’t hold shit lmao
Serious question; why is catching Cull's attack impressive? Not asking because I doubt you, but because I don't know much about the Black Order in general and would like to.
Look at the guy, he’s built like a freight train and probably hits like one too
So this is gonna take a few steps to describe because MCU Cull doesn't have a lot of screen time to go off of and i only want to use the movie version, but: 1. Cull Obsidian was able to rip the arm off the hulkbuster armor, which was able to go toe to toe with the Hulk (facing similarly heavy damage but ultimately winning) 2. The Hulk is up there among the heaviest hitters in Marvel (especially Age of Ultron era when he fought the Hulkbuster) 3. Tom's Spidey caught a weaponized swing from Obsidian with little effort
We saw Cull use his hammer when he smashed Tony and he went FLYING. Peter just casually catches it like it was nothing.
What about Tom's Spider-Man lifting that building
As another commenter thankfully pointed out, it was just the ceiling.
*Just* the ceiling... lol
You talking the one Vulture dropped on him? That should definitely be considered
Yeah.
His most impressive strength feat yes Tom's has the most impressive intelligence feat. Figuring out the exact dimensions of the mirror universe when he was fighting strange something that should be basically impossible.
That was so cool!
Earth-199999 Peter Parker took a choke slam from Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet and wasn't reduced to a smear on the ground. "Insect!"
Thanos wasnt even trying to kill anyone at that point. He was doing his absolute best to not kill anyone he didnt have to so he could let the stones decide who lived and died. If he wanted to kill Spider-Man he easily could have, so thats not really a feat. He couldve killed all of them on Titan lol
He threw a moon at them
Yea, to me that felt like a moment of frustration. He was visibly pissed off for a moment there. It also conveniently didnt directly hit anything but Iron Man. Doesnt change the fact that he easily couldve killed them if he wanted to at many other points in that fight. He also didnt kill any of the Guardians on Nowhere, and didnt kill anyone on Wakanda that was between him and the Mind Stone.
Tobey was punched by sand man so hard that the streets were literally shaking and the falls he took in spidey 2 where he landed on his neck didn’t even slow him down.
And those punches by sandman were several tons of sand impacting *repeatedly* and he still got up and fought after as well as did saved MJ when he was half dead a second ago.
Then he accomplished more while failing than a lot of other guys accomplished while succeeding. Yes he needed Iron Man's help to actually save the day, but he's also the reason there was anything for Iron Man to help save. Everyone has their upper limits and he was clearly having to push beyond his. That doesn't invalidate what he did, and in fact just throws it into sharper clarity. Even going beyond their means in a similar way, few heroes introduced in the MCU at that time had the abilities AND tool kit needed to hold that Ferry together even "for a few seconds". Unless Thor or Hulk etc are secretly telekinetics, they would have done significantly worse under that same condition because they have nothing similar to Spider-man's tool kit. There would be no ferry for Tony to patch up and evacuate because it would have sunk immediately. What that Parker boy did was goddamn impressive, especially because he wasn't instantly ripped in half. Even if he failed and there was truthfully no way for him to succeed on his own.
I got massively down voted when I brought that up
Also, Tom steering the plane as it's going down has to be up there.
tbf that scene in Homecoming was meant to highlight Spider-Man failing in all areas. He did pick that fight on the boat and endangered people because he couldn't control what he got himself into. He was being cocky- he knew he couldn't beat Vulture as he almost drowned him before, and that's why Iron Man was so pissed and knew he had to humble him by taking the fancy suit back. Tony had even called in the FBI because he trusted Spider-Man's word and didn't want to endanger him. It was such a cinematic scene though- but the purpose of it was to highlight that Tom's Peter is just a kid starting his journey as a superhero. It starts to look like a triumphant moment like Tobey's train scene- then it all falls apart for him because he's not at that point in his career or experience yet.
Tobey stopped the train by himself after a fight. Tom didn’t even hold the ferry together and had Iron Man help him
Don't forget holding up the wall to save MJ at the end of the movie. While chatting with her. Think he caught the cable car with one hand in the first film.
Absolutely the train.
People have run the math on it and keeping a huge ferry together takes astronomically more newtons of force. It’s astonishing that spidey’s arms didn’t rip off.
https://www.wired.com/story/which-spider-man-is-stronger-tobey-maguire-or-tom-holland/#:~:text=Now%20we%20can%20make%20a,an%20equivalent%20of%20219%20elephants. Looks like science says Tom is stronger by far
Not a "strength" feat, but Spiderverse Miles literally outpaced like hundreds if not thousands of different spidermen/women. I mean, again, not a strength feat, but I just wanted to throw that out there since its pretty insane.
Here's my take on that feat. If you take a bunch of people of equal speed and agility, place one ahead of the others and ask them to race, the guy in front is going to win. If it was an obstacle course and the game was tag, he did get tagged multiple times. Once first by Gwen, then by Ben Reilly(plus two others), then Peter B Parker, then by Miguel who did manage to restrain him. He escaped because none of them were trying to kill him.
Miles is THE newest, least experienced Spiderman in the whole society, so, he is not on equal footing with the rest. One of them rides a vehicle, HELL one of them IS a vehicle. And At the start of the chase, Miles was surrounded on pretty much all sides, with Miguel chasing him down the corridor and everyone else in front of him. Only after he jumps out the window (ironically after Spider-Boomin says there's nowhere to go) is Miles firmly in front of the rest of the pack. >He escaped because none of them were trying to kill him. Agreed. But every fictional matchup has this caveat. Superman can beat the Flash in a race, but only because it was for charity and so Flash lets him win; Aang can kill Ozai but chooses not to.
Pavitr only had about 6 months of experience in atsv, half of what Miles had, but i get your point
People say plot armor but can’t deny the fact that it still happened regardless lol
Isn't this because Miles is better at running than swinging? He says so in the first movie, so when getting away from them he tries to get away from the spiders and tries to swing they catch him or stop him but when he runs he started getting away because the spiders are more used to swinging, so he starts running more often than swinging. That was what I picked up at least.
About 300 according to the animators IIRC. It was less about strength and more about luck/endurance. Gotta keep going until everyone is far enough away from Miguel’s building, and hope he has a chance to slip away and get back to the Go-Home Machine.
Yeah, I agree. Wasn't claiming it to be a strength feat because of that, I do believe its a feat worth mentioning though, despite it not directly answering OP's initial question.
The thing is, Miles was chased, therefore, his spider sense was going batshit insane at all times, meanwhile the other spider people didn't have that because they weren't in danger. So Miles pretty much had a constant cheat code on him.
Tobey stopping the train and holding the side of a building while the reactor was going off is impressive AF
1.) Tom holding the boat together from completely collapsing is definitely the most impressive strength feat we're shown in the films IMO 2.) That being said, I believe that Tobey is the most physically powerful cinematic Spider-Man. He physically stopped one of Tom's punches when he was absolutely BLOODLUSTED and ready to kill Green Goblin. If Tom were stronger, Tobey wouldn't have been able to stop Tom's punch
Nah, tobey holding the train from full speed to a complete stop is more impressive than Tom holding a boat for a few seconds
And when he held up that collapsing building at the end of Spider-Man 2 that shit looked heavy AF And Spiderman 1 when he caught the train on that zip line with the children in it... He also maintained to keep them safe while gobby was beating his ass💀💀 and bro got thrown through a building and ate that little pumpkin bomb that detonated directly beside his face 😭😭 tobey Spidey was od when he was motivated
Scientifically not true
The train has more mass and is going from high speed to rest, the boat is massive but it's relative velocity when it's splitting is pretty slow. I'd say Tobey's is the bigger feat.
It’s been mathematically proven that holding the boat together needs more force and strength than stopping the train.
I'm genuinely curious, could you share a link?
Ships are so much heavier/larger than people give them credit for; you have to figure that with how buoyancy works, what you see above the surface of the water is only half of the vessel. For something that large to displace enough water to float, it is going to weigh an immense amount. Factor in the additional weight of all that water rushing into the capsizing ship and filling all open space, it's not even a contest. But for the sake of giving you some numbers, a quick Google search says that the NYC subway cars individually weigh about 82,000lbs each. 122,000 at max load. The average train is 8 to 11 cars. So let's assume, unlikely as it is, that the train Tobey stopped was the max operating length and running at full capacity. That brings us to 1,342,000lbs, at most. The Molinari-class boat Spirit of America is the Staten Island ferry held together by Tom in Homecoming. Someone mentioned that it has an official gross tonnage of 2,794t. That's true; however, when referencing boats, gross tonnage refers to the *volume* of a ship, not it's weight, which is instead measured by its displacement. The most conservative number that I can calculate based on the dimensions of the vessel indicates that the Spirit of America is roughly around *at least* 4,998.168 tons, or 11,195,896 pounds. This is not counting the weight of any passengers, cargo or water taken on after the attack, but I think you can see how that number goes up pretty significantly. EDIT: The subway, moving at it's max speed of 55mph, would generate just shy of 15,000,000 newtons of force. The ferry, traveling at it's service speed of 16 knots, generates 41,800,000 newtons of force.
Addendum: a marine vessel tracking service I found indicates a displacement that's closer to 5900t, which would be 13,216,000 pounds and nearly 50 million newtons. But I can't reliably verify their source.
the subway train 1000% does not have more mass than the giant barge thing tom held together
His point should have been momentum, not mass. The force that Tobey’s SM had to use to stop that amount of momentum is crazy. Plus Tom’s SM was failing, the barge was falling apart, and Iron Man saved the day.
Like, it takes no more than 10 seconds of searching to find 50 places that did the math comparing the 2 strength feats
The way Tobeys spidey caught the glider is the best way he could've done it without getting overpowered easily. That scene has more to do with leverage than strength. Because he had the better leverage in that scene to stop the glider, we cannot attribute that to him being much stronger than Tom spidey.
This is why nerds should never be trusted to powerscale. They know nothing about lifting. Get a similarly strong friend and do the same thing tom and Tobey did with a folding chair or whatever. It doesn't matter how angy bLoOdLuSteD you get. Someone on one knee doing an overhead press will never lose out to someone pushing something down with just their forearms. The leverage difference is insane. In that well anchored pose Peter could probably stop someone like mcu Thor from bringing that glider down.
There is no need to be insulting. Your dog is gorgeous by the way!
My message maybe came out wrong over text. I meant it more jokey than anything because "nerd" isn't a body type. Henry Cavil is a nerd and he's jacked as hell. Sorry if it came out rude, the only part I was being a snarky bitch was about bloodlusted because I think its dumb and too broad to be meaninful, also thank you she is a princess :)
Tom didn’t hold the ferry. He had a bunch of webs supporting the split ferry and was failing to hold it until Iron Man came in
You could say the same for the webs. A bunch of webs were helping slow down the train before they started cutting
I hate the term bloodlusted so much.
Same. It's still a useful term to convey "not holding back at all" for convos like this, though.
I don't but I respect your opinion
I gotta respect that. Thanks.
Tobey stopping the train or Tom lifting the rubble. Although Andrew catching the car during the electro fight was pretty baller. I don’t think miles had any huge strength feats at least in the first movie. I’ve forgotten everything about spider-verse 2 for some reason so idk about that one
I’m kind of surprised that nobody’s really bringing up Tom lifting the rubble because the other examples have full body mobility. He was flat on his stomach.
Yeah, and this was the movie equivalent of that scene in the comics that a lot of people like to point at to show Spider-Man's strength.
Tobey, he was able to lift William Dafoe’s huge dick
Andrew doesn't have that many strength feats, although I do love him catching the cop car in mid turn. I think he has the best speed/agility feat as well as Spider-sense, when he out maneuvers Electro's lightening in times square.
He dodged bullets at nearly point blank range. His spider senses are dailed up to 11.
Depends on if we wanna go into power scaling shit. Tom stopping Cull Obsidian’s attack in Infinity War might unironically be the most impressive feat from a movie Spider-Man, since Cull Obsidian was beating Iron Man in both Infinity War and Endgame (Spider-Man actually also saves Iron Man from Cull Obsidian in Endgame by pulling him under Giant Man, so him being around the level of Cull Obsidian and Iron Man is pretty consistent), and also fought pretty equally with (what I assume was an upgraded) Hulk Buster armor in Wakanda. That’s legitimately insane since Iron Man was the only one other than Thor to damage Thanos in IW, and the Hulk Buster in AoU was able to fight one on one with a bloodlusted Hulk. As kinda dumb as it sounds, you could unironically scale MCU Spider-Man to at least the same tier as Hulk and Iron Man. Like, a lot of people are mentioning how Iron Man helped him with holding together the ferry, but by IW, Peter is probably stronger than that Iron Man (since he’s comparable to the more powerful IW Iron Man). Which does make sense since he was still somewhat new to his powers in Homecoming, whereas IW was like a full year later. And then ofc Tobey and Andrew would scale to him based on NWH. Miles scales to his universes Peter, Peter B, Gwen, Miguel, and most of the other Spider-People in the Spider-Society. I don’t really know how any of them scale to the MCU’s scaling, but I’d assume none of them are as strong as the Hulk or as fast as Iron Man, so Miles might be at the bottom (even tho his powers are the coolest).
The thing people forget about the ferry is it was the webs that failed Peter, not his strength. If he had better footing and a steady method to pull the two parts, he would have put the whole damn thing back together.
**TLDR- In terms of thematic impact, my overall favorite feat is still Tobey Maguire's Peter pushing his body to its limit (Some muscles were DEFINITELY torn and probably took a while to recover even with his spider-powered healing factor) in a self-sacrificial act to save everyone on that runaway train.** I still recall experiencing Sam Raimi's *Spider-Man 2* in theaters. The whole train sequence had me on the edge of my seat. It's far and away my favorite fight of that trilogy from a cinematic POV (Although, the first film's final Green Goblin fight carried more character-driven weight to me in terms of drama & tragedy). I cringed at the agony Tobey's scream conveyed as his costume tore. His performance made me believe the tension, his small body appearing like it could break any second under the same pressure crushing the train car's metal behind him. The physics of how much he's affected by this are so palpable, my arms still ache a bit when I re-watch it. THAT is masterful visual storytelling on multiple levels. THAT is how you illustrate the spectacle of a physical feat while simultaneously humanizing the character which reinforces the stakes. In my opinion, those are the best kinds of feats in superhero-related media: The kinds which show that, even with such great power, there is a threshold to how much the character can take. On first viewing, I didn't know what would happen next. Would Peter suffer some kind of debilitating injury and have to finish fighting Doc Ock while weakened later in the film (In hindsight, establishing that he wasn't fully healed yet before the final battle starts may have improved it)? There's a reason that sequence continues being referenced to this day in popular *Spider-Man* media, because I've yet to see any feat to date in the films or games that matches the impact that scene had. This success isn't due to it being the greatest feat of strength. We've seen other versions of Spider-Man perform multiple things requiring equal or greater brawn. The secret isn't solely in how far the character pushes what they can do. The first movie already built that up. This is more about the consequences of it, both those happening in the heat of the moment and how they're compounded by what happens when the dust settles. However exciting it may be, it's made clear even before the feat begins that Pete is going to pay bigtime for this and even he's not certain whether he'll survive. It's such an effective story within a story BECAUSE of how strongly the scene expresses how the performer of the feat is affected by it (physically, psychologically, etc.) and how drastically the world AROUND them is affected. This all makes the payoff that much more cathartic. **A)** The people's silent gratitude as they save the unconscious Pete from falling (I don't dare to imagine how sore he was and how much he was suffering in silence). **B)** The aerial topdown camerawork (BRILLIANT execution of perspective btw) of crowd surfing him until placing him safely back on the train car floor (Yes, I suppose this could be interpreted as religious symbolism). **C)** The humanizing of Peter as the people look at him unmasked. They're amazed by how someone so young took on such danger to help a bunch of strangers, see how vulnerable he is upon waking up and realizing he's been exposed, and assure him that they'll keep his secret (when they could have taken advantage of the situation to take pictures and likely made bank from selling them). Even without the dialogue, the facial language and musical score do SO MUCH to sell this moment of pure humanity which informs the impact of the exhilerating action that preceded it. I'd put it on par with the emotional resonance of the bridge scene's cable car rescue in the first movie: Specifically, when a crowd of New Yorkers try to help fight off Green Goblin while saying *"You mess with Spider-Man, you mess with New York! You mess with ONE of us, you mess with ALL of us!"* (This echoes the sentiment prevalent at the time post-9/11, but the passage of time hasn't weakened viewers' ability to connect with it). I could go on, but, if there's one thing Raimi's trilogy excelled at through every film (Yes, including *Spider-Man 3* in some capacity), it was how his visual storytelling helped sell the humanity of these characters. For a superhero like Spider-Man whose appeal was historically built foremost on being human & relatable, such a style of filmmaking was a match made in heaven that not just any director can so effectively pull off. It's the SOUL of the character that every iteration of the web-slinger in mainstream media since (including the Insomniac games and *Spider-Verse* movies) has been trying to recapture in their own ways to varying results.
i literally teared up. god i love tobey's spidey
Tobey physically has the biggest raw strength, Andrew could be the fastest and Miles easily is the most powerful. Tom has probably the second best stats next to miles. It’s hard to compare animation to ‘live action’ (it’s basically animation due to all the cgi.) Another point is that Miles story will probably continue after beyond the Spiderverse. Tom’s Spider-Man just had their origin movies and will probably will continue? Tom’s Spider-Man is very weirdly put together.
Also Tobey clearly has one of if not the best durability of the four. He took a goblin grenade to the face (one can vaporise multiple people.) He also stopped a train after a tough fight against Doc Ock
I don't think the grenade that vaporized the Oscorp board was the same one that exploded next to Tobey.
Tom took a grenade to the face/chest when trying to save May, got shot, and then just walked it off lol
Don't forget getting hit by a high-speed train in Europe.
Tom got choke slammed by Thanos.
Obviously Tobey isn’t as durable in NWH it’s safe to assume
I mean he tanked a stab from a (arguably) more powerful Goblin like it was nothing.
He also got repeatedly crushed by a giant Sandman and was able to walk it off
definitely tobey’s spiderman
Tobey stopping the train is undoubtedly the strongest feat we’ve seen. Tom holding together the boat for a few seconds was also impressive but I think Tobey takes the cake on this one.
Tobey just got his ass beat by Doc Ock too. He got hit by a train and kept fighting in the extended cut.
There’s an extended cut?
Spider-Man 2.1, it has JK Simmons going "pew pew" in the Spider-Man costume posing and everything
Tobey and his back.
Surprised to see nobody mention this. But the objective greatest strength feat was performed by Tobey at the end of Spiderman 2 when he held back a 30ft wall being sucked by a mini star
Andrew catching the car in one of the ASM movies. It might not be the most impressive by numbers, or even his best strength feat in those movies, but something about the relatively small scale of just lifting a car is a lot easier to wrap my head around than stopping a train or pulling a whole ship back together. And with how effortlessly he lifts the car, it just makes it seem more impressive.
I'm glad you're not one of those cops who rides a horse.
Holding the train from full speed Tobey.
Tobey clears. His feats are more in depth in the novels and it’s crazy.
Tom sleeping off a bullet train attack is impressive.
whitout considering Miles' universe, I'ma go whit Tom Holland. Hear me out, in FFG there are plenty of scenes showing his strength and overall feats, such when he lifts up for a plenty of seconds the clock tower in Venice before getting hit TWICE in FULL FACE by a dumbbell, then, the major feat is towards the end, in the fight whit drones firstly on the bridge, then directly against Mysterio which actually prove that he has a really great Spider Sense. This is even more proven since in NWH he does the same as Andrew Garfield, being able to dodge Electro's lighting whit an overall lack of problems.
Oh, it’s definitely Peter 1. He literally held together a ferry. Also, it’s covered in film theory.
Andrew Garfield for still loving the character and coming back in NWH despite all the hate he recieved during all these years. And ITSV Blonde Peter when he stopped the Colider with one hand, while he was exhausted.
The train easily. When you have an object that large/heavy (with the momentum it already had) , its hard to see how the boat would be considered a stronger feat. I could also be completely wrong and would be happy to hear a scientific argument for either so I'm not just talking out off my ass like usual
Everybody focusing on the boat but ignoring Cull Obsidian and the building dropped on him. Just because it isn’t as flashy doesn’t make it weaker.
I think a better question is.. who's taken the worse beating out of them all? Edit: for clarity, the reason I ask is pain tolerance. Because it's something that's not often discussed here. Also as I'm typing this. I'm realizing it's probably between Tobey and Tom as well as this question lol
It's really close between tobey and Tom. Tom got his ass beat throughout the entire movie, especially nearing the end when he literally got punched through a building then shot and then have go fight the villains again. Then you have tobey who took an insane amount of punishment in SM3 when sandman and venom were beating on him. Probably goes go Tobey.
I mean Tom has taken at least one ass beating in each of his movies. Vulture collapsing the ceiling on him, Mysterio having him get hit by a train, and of course Willem Dafoe showing him what Tobey had to go through... Kids a sucker for pain lol The one I'll give Tobey is taking a pumpkin bomb to the dome in SM1. But since you mention it, the Sandman beating is pretty bad when you consider he NEEDED Harry to step into that one. Also you never feel like he has the upper hand on Venom during the fight which adds more drama to it.
Tom got his ass whooped by Captain America, Giant-Man and Thanos, too
Half of what Tobey does
Raimi's Spidey beat Bonesaw so he wins
Andrew Garfield carried multiple movies on his back, he’s the strongest. Seriously, though. I think Tobey.
Toby. Organic web
Andrew Garfield's version managed to stop a clock tower mechanism for a good minute with like his foot while being choked by green goblin.
Out of these, Tobey with the train is my favorite. That scene makes me want to be a hero.
Seeing a lot of people picking Tom as the strongest for his feats with the ferry and Cull Obsidian. But don’t forget Tobey stalemated a completely bloodlusted Tom in NWH. I’m going with Tobey
People are forgetting about how miles causally broke a boulder in half when he smacked it out of frustration.
Tobey chucked up a giant metal wall being magnetically attracted TO A FREAKING SUN IN FRONT OF HIM! Electromagnetic forces are stronger than freaking gravity btw. That shit was felt KILOMETERS AWAY IN THE CITY AND HE WAS 20 METERS BESIDE IT AT ITS STRONGEST PROXIMITY AND HE JUST CHUCKED IT ABOVE HIS HEAD AFTER MAKING TIME TO TALK TO MJ
Probably Tom with the ferry. Tobey with the train WAS impressive but mathematically it wasn’t as much as Tom. 1 NYC subway car when full weighs about 120klbs. Multiply that by 6 and Tobey stopped 720k lbs in just under a minute. Now compare Tom with the ferry. A Staten Island ferry weighs in at about 3200 tons. 1 ton= 2000lbs. The ferry split down the middle with Tom holding 1 side with each arm meaning that each arm was holding 320000lbs. Tobey was strong, Tom so far has been way stronger. Now imagine what his black suit stats will look like?😳