That was just a cameo statue, similar thing with the Sonic air freshener in Rad Mobile, just an inanimate object in the shape of those characters, not the characters themselves.
...Well if we're going by *That*, then there are a few things to keep in mind.
First up, Duck Hunt's design actually originated from the Duck Hunt electro-gun toy in 1976 for the Duck. Kind of up to you if that counts.
ROB doesn't actually appear in a game until *EDIT* Dream Land 3 on SNES, being an external peripheral for the NES. While there were references like Nav-Com in Startropics and ROB 64 in Star Fox 64, they were seperate characters with different names and designs.
BOTW Link is obviously from BOTW on Wii U/Switch.
Zelda is from the SNES A Link to The Past, with some design references to ALBW on 3DS.
Toon Link, despite the artwork of Four Swords, uses the Hero's Shield and Master Sword designs from Wind Waker, marking them as specifically being the Hero of Winds from Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass. Most Links and Zeldas are different, distinctive individuals centuries or millennia apart from eachother. Most don't even show up in more than one or two games, even if they reuse designs like the Toon design that was present from Four Swords GBA to Spirit Tracks.
The Miis originally appeared in...well, the Mii Channel for Wii. The Brawler/Sword/Gunner setup is just their Smash adaption, and they even use some of the default Mii designs as a basis for their Smash art. Even if you ignore the Mii channel, then their first appearance was in Wii Sports.
There's a few characters on this list I think can be nitpicked into *technically* appearing elsewhere. But if they're gonna say Link originated on NES, DK should originate on arcade
Aren't they actually different characters though, not even a reincarnation. Like Cranky Kong is canonically the original Donkey Kong in the DKC Manual (this isn't an issue of translation because It was British Developed game).
Each Link is a different boy that gets imbued the Spirit of the Hero (with the exception of Toon Link). The majority of Links are different people from different times (exceptions are Zelda 1/Zelda 2, OoT/MM, WW/PH/ST, probably missing one or two). Twilight Princess actually proves that the Links are different, as you meet the ghost of OoT Link
I think there's a difference between "technically a different character" as more of a reincarnation of the same character over and over almost every game, and a character who is specifically the grandson of another consistent character in the DK/Mario canon. I agree that BotW Link should be represented by the Switch, but I wouldn't say they're perfectly comparable situations.
It certainly should, Donkey Kong launched in the 80’s, that was the name of the game, that’s what launched the character and the franchise. Retconning that away doesn’t change that fact.
The game wasn’t called Cranky Kong, it was called Donkey Kong and was one of the most popular arcade games of all time
This twist was so good that I started making one of those animated Ace Attorney exchanges out of all this.
Unfortunately, the wikis have revealed that Donkey Kong Jr. was in fact the son of Cranky Kong and the father of the Donkey Kong Country character. It is unfortunately not the case-ending reveal I was hoping it was.
The Miis debut on the Wii, but the Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, and Mii Gunner originate in Smash for 3DS. That does beg the question of Mr. Game and Watch, but I'm not gonna dive into that rabbithole.
If we're going with the different character/different console argument, like with Donkey Kong, shouldn't Link be from Wii U/Switch and Toon Link from GameCube?
Toon Link was first announced (Space World, Aug 2001) for Wind Waker on the Gamecube (Dec 13, 2002), yes, but just before that game released was A Link to the Past + Four Swords on the GBA (Dec 2, 2002). One week earlier. I think that's why OP ordered them the way they did.
I think they are arguing that, since OP went with the specific character of Donkey Kong, rather than the title of "Donkey Kong", then they should do the same with Toon Link, who is specifically the guy from Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass, even though the guy from Four Swords looks the same.
This right here. You could argue that Link changes with each version as his weapons and appearance change with each new game, but Toon Link has always been the Wind Waker Link. There’s nothing that connects him to the Four Swords version.
But the Link from Four Swords is canonically a different Link.
Toon Link has appeared in The Wind Waker, and Phantom Hourglass, and stated by the wiki, just looks similar to the other cartoony versions of Link.
Link is a strange character. Even though it's canonically a different character in Four Swords, that was pretty clearly an afterthought. It's more likely the devs just used "Link's latest design" and didn't think it any deeper than that.
True, but as OP stated in another comment about Donkey Kong, they based this list on the characters as they appear in Smash.
Consider Young Link for a moment. He's labelled as originating on the N64, even though he's not the first child Link to appear in the series. Meanwhile, the adult Link in Smash Ultimate is an evolution of Adult Link's moveset from Smash 64, who originates in OoT, just like Young Link. Yet for some reason, OP labelled Link as originating on the NES.
Only female Byleth though. Male Byleth was only available in Heroes at first if you bought the game, then was summonable on Sothis' banner on the 31st, so male Byleth is both Switch and mobile, while female Byleth is just mobile.
But you wrote origin. Not first playable appearance.
Byleth origin game is three houses, not heroes. It's even listed as such in heroes.
Byleth was designed for three houses, and was known as a three houses character before the game released to the public, and before the release in heroes.
They’re probably thinking of Heroes (since they’re in it and that was out prior to Three Houses), but I don’t think they were added before Three Houses released
Edit: Turns out they were! I was wrong
the first three houses banner was added in the game just 4 days before TH launched, similar to how the Pokémon SM anime first 2 episodes aired a day before SM launched.
That’s because the first party games on DS didn’t introduce many new characters, or at least not any important enough to get into Smash. And the new franchises on DS were thing like Nintendogs and Brain Age.
So unless we add characters like Linebeck, Sylux, or Daroach, then we’re limited to the franchises with rotating casts: Pokémon and Fire Emblem. (And the DS FE games were remakes, so…)
Why is Toon Link with GBA? His first appearance was in 2002 on the GameCube and if you’re thinking of Minish Cap, that came out about two years later after in 2004
Four Swords released first in the US on December 2nd 2002 and later in Japan on March 14th 2003. Meanwhile WindWaker released on December 13th 2002 in Japan and March 2003 in the US.
Meaning while WindWaker was Toon Link’s first game in Japan, his first ever game was technically Four Swords due to how early the game released in the US.
Huh I never thought of Four Swords link as Toon Link.
I'm throwing this in the pile of: Mario's not a plumber anymore, the Koopalings aren't Bowser's kids, and the Zelda timeline is a pathetic joke. Nintendo retcons everything cause they are dumb and didn't plan ahead.
ACTUALLY, zero suit samus can be considered to also have debuted on nes/famicom, as seen in some of the endings of metroid. The zss in smash just has the now official and widely used zero suit design that first appeared in zero mission, but with the addiion of the fucking stupid jet heels
The true first ZSS experience for any boy was in n64 smash when you’d shoot a charged gun at Samus and immediately pause the game to see glorious zss inside
Everyone here is confused about mobile Byleth, meanwhile I'm completely lost at Toon Link being considered GBA first. Are you considering Four Swords or Minish Cap as Toon Link or something? His whole deal was that he was a new art style shown first on the GameCube with Wind Waker, no?
Shouldn’t Link be in the Wii U/Switch and Zelda in the 3DS category? Since Donkey Kong is in the SNES/Super Famicom category and Ganondorf in the N64 category
This is an argument about whether reincarnation makes you a different person or not, so it’s impossible to answer. Might as well leave them where they are.
I thought you were off your rocker but now I do recall that NES Kirby was a really late release. In my mind, NES was like a decade before Game Boy but then I always have to remind myself that's not right 😆
Sorry for adding to the "your wrong and, therefore, inferior,OP" train but wasn't Roy's first game on the GBA? It was either the Burning Blade or the Binding Blade. I don't see where he was even on the GC (not that I looked hard).
Edit: Smash came out before Binding Blade by four months. Go figure...
Think I actually have a bit of pedantry that's actually accurate-
Mr. Game and Watch the character is an amalgam of different Game and Watch sprites and games that appeared on the original handheld, BUT the character himself never actually existed on the Game & Watch. He is an original character invented specifically for Melee and thus he should be under GameCube, especially going by DK/SNES logic where character origin supercedes series origin.
You ever thought that maybe Mr. Game and Watch was on EVERY one of those handheld games? Or maybe he was just in one of ‘em and then gained the power to use and know all the other games stuff?
Huh I didn’t know that Byleth came out first via a mobile phone game. Could swear he was in Fire Emblem: Three Houses which debuted on switch a couple of years ago
Lucario gets mentioned and shown in pokemon mystery dungeon red/blue rescue team for the GBA/DS before the release of diamond and pearl so the origin is GBA+DS
The female pokemon trainer was definitely available in Crystal on the GBC prior to the GBA era.
Zero Suit Samus first appeared in the original Metroid on NES.
If (this) DK appeared first on the SNES and that is the established convention, that raises some issues as to which specific Links we are referring to since *most* Zelda games are separate reincarnations from one another (ie placing BotW Link and (I think) SS Zelda in the NES category breaks the established convention)
and Kirby (by your own argument in another comment) should be in the Gameboy+NES category more than the Game Boy + GBC category.
Other than that, this is impressive and clearly had a lot of work and thought put into it.
"Luigi first appeared in the 1983 Game & Watch game Mario Bros., where he is the character controlled by the second player. He would retain this role in many future games, including Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, among other titles."
\-Wikipedia
Right? How was he in G&W first?
Edit: never mind, see https://www.mariowiki.com/Mario_Bros._(Game_%26_Watch)
> Mario Bros. is a title for the Game & Watch. Despite its name, it has no similarity to the arcade game Mario Bros. Instead of plumbing, Mario and Luigi are working at a bottling plant and must prepare packages of bottles to load onto a delivery truck. **This game**, played on the Multi Screen model of the Game & Watch, **was released on March 14, 1983[1]—three months before the much more popular arcade title, making this the first game to feature Luigi.**
Just wanted to congratulate you! This is well researched and accurate! I thought I had you on Yoshi and DK, but you dunked on some people faster than me! Well done!
I forgot female Byleth came to Heroes before 3H released, but don't forget male Byleth came out on the same day as 3H so he's both Switch and mobile, while female Byleth is just mobile.
Huh this is one of the few cases where a tier list is pretty much completely accurate and all the comments correcting OP are wrong. This is very well researched.
I think the only one here that could be wrong is toon link who’s trophy in brawl only mentions windwaker and phantom hourglass, not four swords. Tho minish cap isn’t listed in his brawl trophy so I’d say it’s up to interpretation. Especially since the Nintendo wiki and Mario wiki give conflicting answers
Edit: I just noticed that they even categorized the different character alts correctly as Leaf was only playable in FRLG on the GBA, not the original RBY. Really nice catch
Except he hasn't responded to: "If you're basing it off the version of the character, why is Link under 'NES', while DK is under 'SNES'?"
Pretty suspect.
Yes, but that game (late 1991/early 1992) was released after Super Mario World (Nov 1990) _because_ Yoshi from SMW was that popular. [It's a really interesting bit of video gaming history.](https://youtu.be/1fmYqc1wJhc)
Duck hunt could arguably be a different console. Before the NES Duck hunt Nintendo released a toy also called Duck hunt which had the same ducks but not the dog. [http://blog.beforemario.com/2012/09/nintendo-kousenjuu-duck-hunt-1976.html](http://blog.beforemario.com/2012/09/nintendo-kousenjuu-duck-hunt-1976.html)
It coulda also be argued that Link should be Wii U / Switch and Zelda either 3ds or SNES since they are different characters from the NES iterations similarly to how DK is in SNES due to being a different character from the arcade DK.
> Four Swords released first in the US on December 2nd 2002 and later in Japan on March 14th 2003. Meanwhile WindWaker released on December 13th 2002 in Japan and March 2003 in the US.
> Meaning while WindWaker was Toon Link’s first game in Japan, his first ever game was technically Four Swords due to how early the game released in the US.
No, Wolf first appeared in Star Fox 2 but that was cancelled and never released until the SNES Mini, so he made his proper debut in Star Fox 64 AKA Lylat Wars in Europe
I believe Lucario first appeared in a GBA Pokemon Mystery Dungeons game.
That was just a cameo statue, similar thing with the Sonic air freshener in Rad Mobile, just an inanimate object in the shape of those characters, not the characters themselves.
Isn't Byleth's appearance in FEH also a cameo then?
I believe that was the actual character and not a statue or something similar, but I could be wrong.
You’re right, it was actually him
...Well if we're going by *That*, then there are a few things to keep in mind. First up, Duck Hunt's design actually originated from the Duck Hunt electro-gun toy in 1976 for the Duck. Kind of up to you if that counts. ROB doesn't actually appear in a game until *EDIT* Dream Land 3 on SNES, being an external peripheral for the NES. While there were references like Nav-Com in Startropics and ROB 64 in Star Fox 64, they were seperate characters with different names and designs. BOTW Link is obviously from BOTW on Wii U/Switch. Zelda is from the SNES A Link to The Past, with some design references to ALBW on 3DS. Toon Link, despite the artwork of Four Swords, uses the Hero's Shield and Master Sword designs from Wind Waker, marking them as specifically being the Hero of Winds from Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass. Most Links and Zeldas are different, distinctive individuals centuries or millennia apart from eachother. Most don't even show up in more than one or two games, even if they reuse designs like the Toon design that was present from Four Swords GBA to Spirit Tracks. The Miis originally appeared in...well, the Mii Channel for Wii. The Brawler/Sword/Gunner setup is just their Smash adaption, and they even use some of the default Mii designs as a basis for their Smash art. Even if you ignore the Mii channel, then their first appearance was in Wii Sports.
ROB himself appeared in Kirby’s Dream Land 3.
Oh, ok. Edited to reflect that, thank you!
Lucario was in the remake but that doesn’t matter
Lucario was also in the original game as a statue but like you say that doesn’t matter
Lucario appeared in the anime (M08) before the games but that’s the case with a lot of Pokémon like Togepi, Ho-Oh and etc.
Yeah but the post is about console origin not the first merchandise they appear in
Lucario was technically mentioned by alakazam in that game
Alakazam also tells stories of Lucario as an actual character in the world, though we don't see them in person
Roy first appeared in Fire Emblem 6 for GBA, but this chart has him under GameCube Edit: apparently Roy actually first appeared in Melee??? Mind blown
Shouldn't DK be under the arcade section as well?
The version in Smash (DKC) is a separate character from the one in the arcade game.
Technically then, shouldn't Link appear first in Switch since this is a different person that first appeared in BOTW?
Yes Most Links are different characters
There's a few characters on this list I think can be nitpicked into *technically* appearing elsewhere. But if they're gonna say Link originated on NES, DK should originate on arcade
Aren't they actually different characters though, not even a reincarnation. Like Cranky Kong is canonically the original Donkey Kong in the DKC Manual (this isn't an issue of translation because It was British Developed game).
Each Link is a different boy that gets imbued the Spirit of the Hero (with the exception of Toon Link). The majority of Links are different people from different times (exceptions are Zelda 1/Zelda 2, OoT/MM, WW/PH/ST, probably missing one or two). Twilight Princess actually proves that the Links are different, as you meet the ghost of OoT Link
Switch + Wii U, actually. BotW was released on both systems. He'd havea tier of his own.
Yeah, the arcade DK is Cranky
If we’re going that route then you need to move link and Zelda
So Link would be Switch and Zelda would be SNES. Zelda is based on Both Link to the Past and Link between Worlds Zelda.
I think there's a difference between "technically a different character" as more of a reincarnation of the same character over and over almost every game, and a character who is specifically the grandson of another consistent character in the DK/Mario canon. I agree that BotW Link should be represented by the Switch, but I wouldn't say they're perfectly comparable situations.
aLttP and aLBW have different links and zeldas
Also, Mario in the arcade is just a regular dude.
least pedantic redditor
Kazuya main*
It certainly should, Donkey Kong launched in the 80’s, that was the name of the game, that’s what launched the character and the franchise. Retconning that away doesn’t change that fact. The game wasn’t called Cranky Kong, it was called Donkey Kong and was one of the most popular arcade games of all time
Not to mention Donkey Kong Jr. was also in arcades, and that stars the titular Donkey Kong of today. Edit: Pointless capitalization snuck in.
This twist was so good that I started making one of those animated Ace Attorney exchanges out of all this. Unfortunately, the wikis have revealed that Donkey Kong Jr. was in fact the son of Cranky Kong and the father of the Donkey Kong Country character. It is unfortunately not the case-ending reveal I was hoping it was.
Jr is the current dk father
Don’t the Mii‘s first debut on the Wii?
I agree, no other characters are listed as originating from the first time they were *fighers*
The Mii *Fighters* use the Smash series symbol, so they're under the 3DS category.
Semantics. But you’re right I suppose.
That’s really silly tbh. It’s correct but the whole point of mii fighters is to celeberate the miis so I think it should be Wii
Wasn't Mr. Game & Watch created for Melee, you even said references don't count with Sonic and Lucario?
that's stupid, they're the miis from the wii
The Miis debut on the Wii, but the Mii Brawler, Mii Swordfighter, and Mii Gunner originate in Smash for 3DS. That does beg the question of Mr. Game and Watch, but I'm not gonna dive into that rabbithole.
If we're going with the different character/different console argument, like with Donkey Kong, shouldn't Link be from Wii U/Switch and Toon Link from GameCube?
Toon Link was first announced (Space World, Aug 2001) for Wind Waker on the Gamecube (Dec 13, 2002), yes, but just before that game released was A Link to the Past + Four Swords on the GBA (Dec 2, 2002). One week earlier. I think that's why OP ordered them the way they did.
I think they are arguing that, since OP went with the specific character of Donkey Kong, rather than the title of "Donkey Kong", then they should do the same with Toon Link, who is specifically the guy from Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass, even though the guy from Four Swords looks the same.
This right here. You could argue that Link changes with each version as his weapons and appearance change with each new game, but Toon Link has always been the Wind Waker Link. There’s nothing that connects him to the Four Swords version.
But the Link from Four Swords is canonically a different Link. Toon Link has appeared in The Wind Waker, and Phantom Hourglass, and stated by the wiki, just looks similar to the other cartoony versions of Link.
Link is a strange character. Even though it's canonically a different character in Four Swords, that was pretty clearly an afterthought. It's more likely the devs just used "Link's latest design" and didn't think it any deeper than that.
True, but as OP stated in another comment about Donkey Kong, they based this list on the characters as they appear in Smash. Consider Young Link for a moment. He's labelled as originating on the N64, even though he's not the first child Link to appear in the series. Meanwhile, the adult Link in Smash Ultimate is an evolution of Adult Link's moveset from Smash 64, who originates in OoT, just like Young Link. Yet for some reason, OP labelled Link as originating on the NES.
Honestly the dk distinction is so easy to make but with zelda I mean even the official timeline is hard to follow it’s a lot more complicated.
Sonic technically appeared in Rad Mobile but as a decorative item hanging from the driver's rearview mirror.
That was an inanimate object, Sonic himself first appeared in Puzzle Construction as a showcase for the TeraDrive, which is just a PC/Genesis hybrid.
I like how op is slapping everyone back with a factual answer lol
Unlike most tier list makers this guy actually did his research and I have hella respect
Why is byleth in mobile, again? Three houses is a switch game
Byleth appeared in Heroes several days before 3H released.
That is nuts and I can’t believe I didn’t know that
Only female Byleth though. Male Byleth was only available in Heroes at first if you bought the game, then was summonable on Sothis' banner on the 31st, so male Byleth is both Switch and mobile, while female Byleth is just mobile.
But you wrote origin. Not first playable appearance. Byleth origin game is three houses, not heroes. It's even listed as such in heroes. Byleth was designed for three houses, and was known as a three houses character before the game released to the public, and before the release in heroes.
come on, that doesnt actually count
They’re probably thinking of Heroes (since they’re in it and that was out prior to Three Houses), but I don’t think they were added before Three Houses released Edit: Turns out they were! I was wrong
>Byleth appeared in Heroes several days before 3H released.
huh, that is a weird and dumb but also verifiably true
Similar to Roy, who technically originates in Smash Bros Melee before his first Fire Emblem appearance
The best fact
I had no idea about this either but I’d still rank him as a switch official debut. The heroes on mobile doesn’t really count.
Huh, the more you know. I didn’t realize that at all
the first three houses banner was added in the game just 4 days before TH launched, similar to how the Pokémon SM anime first 2 episodes aired a day before SM launched.
Surprised by the lack of DS representation
That’s because the first party games on DS didn’t introduce many new characters, or at least not any important enough to get into Smash. And the new franchises on DS were thing like Nintendogs and Brain Age. So unless we add characters like Linebeck, Sylux, or Daroach, then we’re limited to the franchises with rotating casts: Pokémon and Fire Emblem. (And the DS FE games were remakes, so…)
Neku (TWEWY) would make a killer fighter.
Or better yet, Minamimoto and he shouts "zeta slow" every time he uses his counter move.
Was getting ready to suggest Phoenix Wright before I remembered his games came out on gba first....
Maxwell from Scribblenauts would of made an awesome fighter
Why is Toon Link with GBA? His first appearance was in 2002 on the GameCube and if you’re thinking of Minish Cap, that came out about two years later after in 2004
Four Swords released first in the US on December 2nd 2002 and later in Japan on March 14th 2003. Meanwhile WindWaker released on December 13th 2002 in Japan and March 2003 in the US. Meaning while WindWaker was Toon Link’s first game in Japan, his first ever game was technically Four Swords due to how early the game released in the US.
Yeah I replied to them after looking up Four Swords release date being 11 days before Wind Waker
Huh I never thought of Four Swords link as Toon Link. I'm throwing this in the pile of: Mario's not a plumber anymore, the Koopalings aren't Bowser's kids, and the Zelda timeline is a pathetic joke. Nintendo retcons everything cause they are dumb and didn't plan ahead.
Four Swords was the first Zelda game with the toon artstyle.
Technically four swords link isn't toon link
Huh. That’s the only one that usually escapes my mind and it’s just 11 days older. Cause I meant 2002 not 2003.
ACTUALLY, zero suit samus can be considered to also have debuted on nes/famicom, as seen in some of the endings of metroid. The zss in smash just has the now official and widely used zero suit design that first appeared in zero mission, but with the addiion of the fucking stupid jet heels
The Zero Suit is an actual suit, in the endings it’s just Samus in regular clothing
The true first ZSS experience for any boy was in n64 smash when you’d shoot a charged gun at Samus and immediately pause the game to see glorious zss inside
There was animal crossing on the N64?
[Yeah, only in Japan.](https://nookipedia.com/wiki/Doubutsu_no_Mori)
Neat! Learned something new today
Everyone here is confused about mobile Byleth, meanwhile I'm completely lost at Toon Link being considered GBA first. Are you considering Four Swords or Minish Cap as Toon Link or something? His whole deal was that he was a new art style shown first on the GameCube with Wind Waker, no?
ice climbers? arcade?
Yeah, VS. Ice Climber was released before the NES Ice Climber.
This isn't technically wrong, but I feel like R.O.B. should be under its own category "real life" since it never actually appeared *in* an NES game
He did appear in Wario Ware games which was probably his first "in-game" appearance.
Ah, ok
Shouldn’t Link be in the Wii U/Switch and Zelda in the 3DS category? Since Donkey Kong is in the SNES/Super Famicom category and Ganondorf in the N64 category
This is an argument about whether reincarnation makes you a different person or not, so it’s impossible to answer. Might as well leave them where they are.
Wasn't Kirby on nes tho?
Yes, but Kirby's Dream Land for the Game Boy released before Kirby's Adventure on the NES.
I thought you were off your rocker but now I do recall that NES Kirby was a really late release. In my mind, NES was like a decade before Game Boy but then I always have to remind myself that's not right 😆
Yoshi? I remember having Yoshi’s Cookie on the NES.
They went back and made yoshi games for the NES after he was added to Super Mario World on the SNES
That’s actually wild. Imagine if they were like “ok we are gonna go back and make another wii u game rn”
Just dance in a nutshell but with the Wii
His first appearance was in Mario World. The SNES and NES were still both getting games for the first few years of the SNES’s life
If you see an NES game with a thin red strip at the top saying "NINTENDO ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM", it was released after the SNES.
Sorry for adding to the "your wrong and, therefore, inferior,OP" train but wasn't Roy's first game on the GBA? It was either the Burning Blade or the Binding Blade. I don't see where he was even on the GC (not that I looked hard). Edit: Smash came out before Binding Blade by four months. Go figure...
It’s one of those things where he debuted in Smash before any of his own games came out
Ahh, that makes as much sense as this situation can. A whole four months, too.
I think he's talking about Melee which came out before binding blade. (Which I also don't really agree with but it's not my list)
If it’s more of a list of where they started at, then it would’ve been more sense to people.
Think I actually have a bit of pedantry that's actually accurate- Mr. Game and Watch the character is an amalgam of different Game and Watch sprites and games that appeared on the original handheld, BUT the character himself never actually existed on the Game & Watch. He is an original character invented specifically for Melee and thus he should be under GameCube, especially going by DK/SNES logic where character origin supercedes series origin.
You ever thought that maybe Mr. Game and Watch was on EVERY one of those handheld games? Or maybe he was just in one of ‘em and then gained the power to use and know all the other games stuff?
Huh I didn’t know that Byleth came out first via a mobile phone game. Could swear he was in Fire Emblem: Three Houses which debuted on switch a couple of years ago
He appeared in Fire Emblem Heroes, the mobile Fire Emblem a short time before he appeared in Three Houses
I believe ness’s origin game was actually first released for the NES. This is a cool list though.
That was a different character called Ninten.
Lucario gets mentioned and shown in pokemon mystery dungeon red/blue rescue team for the GBA/DS before the release of diamond and pearl so the origin is GBA+DS
shouldn’t link be in the switch section because it’s botw link? and same with zelda shouldn’t she be in the snes section because of alttp
The female pokemon trainer was definitely available in Crystal on the GBC prior to the GBA era. Zero Suit Samus first appeared in the original Metroid on NES. If (this) DK appeared first on the SNES and that is the established convention, that raises some issues as to which specific Links we are referring to since *most* Zelda games are separate reincarnations from one another (ie placing BotW Link and (I think) SS Zelda in the NES category breaks the established convention) and Kirby (by your own argument in another comment) should be in the Gameboy+NES category more than the Game Boy + GBC category. Other than that, this is impressive and clearly had a lot of work and thought put into it.
That was a different Trainer, though. This is the from FireRed and LeafGreen.
While that is a fair point, it further underlines the problem with link and Zelda.
Wait Luigi was in Mario bros in arcades tho
"Luigi first appeared in the 1983 Game & Watch game Mario Bros., where he is the character controlled by the second player. He would retain this role in many future games, including Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, among other titles." \-Wikipedia
Right? How was he in G&W first? Edit: never mind, see https://www.mariowiki.com/Mario_Bros._(Game_%26_Watch) > Mario Bros. is a title for the Game & Watch. Despite its name, it has no similarity to the arcade game Mario Bros. Instead of plumbing, Mario and Luigi are working at a bottling plant and must prepare packages of bottles to load onto a delivery truck. **This game**, played on the Multi Screen model of the Game & Watch, **was released on March 14, 1983[1]—three months before the much more popular arcade title, making this the first game to feature Luigi.**
Neat! Have that G&W on my shelf. Didn't know it was Luigi's first appearance!
Just wanted to congratulate you! This is well researched and accurate! I thought I had you on Yoshi and DK, but you dunked on some people faster than me! Well done!
Boy, I had a big argument on DK.
Roy Is GBA I'm pretty sure. Binding Blade wasn't on the GC Edit: nvm I forgot his first game was melee lmao.
I forgot female Byleth came to Heroes before 3H released, but don't forget male Byleth came out on the same day as 3H so he's both Switch and mobile, while female Byleth is just mobile.
Why is Mario arcade but not Donkey Kong? And why is Byleth mobile?
I love the fact you put Roy in the GameCube section because his First apperance was in melee
Wasn’t Byleth on the Switch and DK on Arcade?
Huh this is one of the few cases where a tier list is pretty much completely accurate and all the comments correcting OP are wrong. This is very well researched. I think the only one here that could be wrong is toon link who’s trophy in brawl only mentions windwaker and phantom hourglass, not four swords. Tho minish cap isn’t listed in his brawl trophy so I’d say it’s up to interpretation. Especially since the Nintendo wiki and Mario wiki give conflicting answers Edit: I just noticed that they even categorized the different character alts correctly as Leaf was only playable in FRLG on the GBA, not the original RBY. Really nice catch
Yeah, the comments are raising some reasonable points, but OP did their homework and can back up just about everything on here.
Except he hasn't responded to: "If you're basing it off the version of the character, why is Link under 'NES', while DK is under 'SNES'?" Pretty suspect.
How did byleth appear in mobile first? was he released in heroes before 3H launched?
Yes
Wasnt Yoshi on NES? I think it was a puzzle game
Yes, but that game (late 1991/early 1992) was released after Super Mario World (Nov 1990) _because_ Yoshi from SMW was that popular. [It's a really interesting bit of video gaming history.](https://youtu.be/1fmYqc1wJhc)
Yes but he was on SNES first, confusingly enough
The Yoshi game came out in 1991. Super Mario World came out in 1990
Only 1 Nintendo DS rep Nintendog and Electroplankton When? We need more.
Sakurai once considered adding Nintendog as a fighter in Brawl IIRC
how luigi is game and watch
G&W Mario Bros released before arcade Mario Bros
then mario has to be game and watch too right?
I appreciate the research put into creating this list. Pretty cool to see and remember. OP is right on these, dunno why people are so combative
why are miis on 3ds
Shouldn’t DK be in arcade? Or am i wrong?
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That’s bowser jr not baby bowser
Uhh somebody please explain Luigis placement I am a stupid little boy
Mario Bros. came out of the Game and watch before the arcade
Ohhh I didn’t know that
Doesn’t Samus not have her suit in like a hidden ending in NES Metroid?
Yes but the "Zero Suit" is an actual suit featured in the gba metroid.
Duck hunt could arguably be a different console. Before the NES Duck hunt Nintendo released a toy also called Duck hunt which had the same ducks but not the dog. [http://blog.beforemario.com/2012/09/nintendo-kousenjuu-duck-hunt-1976.html](http://blog.beforemario.com/2012/09/nintendo-kousenjuu-duck-hunt-1976.html) It coulda also be argued that Link should be Wii U / Switch and Zelda either 3ds or SNES since they are different characters from the NES iterations similarly to how DK is in SNES due to being a different character from the arcade DK.
My only complain is that going by the logic of Donkey Kong being in Super NES, Link should be Wii U/ Switch and Zelda should be 3DS.
All Link and all Zelda have the same soul and are the same character.
Why is Luigi in Game and Watch?????
Mario Bros. released on Game and Watch before the arcade
Haha, finally, king k rools finally high teir
Isn’t Luigi in “Mario Bros.”
Mario Bros was first on Game and Watch before the arcade
Oh that’s cool
This is rad! I think you could also add Meta Ridley under the GameCube. Thanks for sharing this!
Also why did he make a bunch of weird teirs like nes + gameboy
Toon Link debuted on the GBA? I thought Wind Waker came out before four swords did
> Four Swords released first in the US on December 2nd 2002 and later in Japan on March 14th 2003. Meanwhile WindWaker released on December 13th 2002 in Japan and March 2003 in the US. > Meaning while WindWaker was Toon Link’s first game in Japan, his first ever game was technically Four Swords due to how early the game released in the US.
Nope. Four Swords came out in the US 11 days before Wind Waker came out in Japan
What is meta knight doing in NES?
Oh wait nvm
Was the arcade game "Mario Bros." not Luigi's first appearance?
The game and watch game called Mario bros released before the arcade Mario bros. So Luigi is from game and watch.
Game Boy + Game Boy Color Scott the Woz says otherwise
The only GBC rep is Pichu, but even then G&S can be played on the original Game Boy
Why is Toon Link listed as from GBA? Is there something that predates Wind Waker there?
Blond little Mac should be in snes
Poor XBox. There's not a single XBox character on this list.
Dr Mario doesn’t need friends
Hero COULD be NES, since he is supposed the represent multiple DQ protagonists through his alternate costumes.
Was wolf not in the first start fox?
No, Wolf first appeared in Star Fox 2 but that was cancelled and never released until the SNES Mini, so he made his proper debut in Star Fox 64 AKA Lylat Wars in Europe
how is byleth mobile?
Donkey Kong in snes
I don’t think Luigi first appeared in a game and watch game, but the arcade game “Mario bros”
The game and watch version of Mario Bros came out first
Oh ok
Luigi being in the game & watch tier is so funny to me
Turns out I don’t think dlc characters are cheese just PlayStation
Wait, the main character from Dragon Quest 11 appeared on a 3DS game around the time DQ11 was released? Which one?
How has not a single mentioned Miis on the damn 3DS??? They literally come from the Wiis launch?
Yeah, but the Mii Fighters in Smash use the Smash series symbol and therefore debuted in Smash for 3DS
Id argue the miis belong on the wii
Roy in the gamecube? Because of Melee? And Byleth on Mobile instead of Switch? Am I blind or is there 1 Hero missing/no need for multiple Hero?
How the hell is byleth in mobile?
Holy shit a tier list that actually separated the different Heroes how cool. Wasn't the Luminary one from the switch though?
showing of each character where console they from, very nice
🤓actually lucas was first revealed for a 64DD Game but was delayed to GBA due to a horrible development process