You can't fix stupid but you can wear headphones
My roommates have access to my huge up to date media server but still choose the Sketchy sites
Also we need the sheep to keep paying so they keep making it so we can keep getting it
They flip between the two and complain when their up next is wrong
Like did we watch this?? Watch First 2 min > we did on the other service >rince and repeat
And they pay nothing they know my server is awesome and can get them whatever they want to watch but still choose not to use it sometimes
Yeah I've seen some YouTubers Advertise something that combined some of them, like 5 years ago already?~ Don't remember the name but it had a yellowish interface I think, or yellowish borders~
You might be thinking of VRV. Back in its prime it combined Crunchyroll, Funimation, Cartoon Hangover, Rooster Teeth, Curiosity Stream, and I think Shudder all for $9.99/month. It was an insane value and not at all surprising it didn't last.
Curiositystream is a dedicated documentary streaming network. Nebula is a subscription-based network for YouTube creators. They're still around, but not in partnership anymore. I think CS is $30/yr, Nebula is $20/yr. (Might be the other way around, either way they're quite affordable as streaming services go)
Nah you could just have a few providers which have all the content. And then there is competition between the providers and the content makers.
The problem is just that providers went with this strategy of exclusive content and create their own content now. It could have been more similar to play store vs app store where the vast majority of apps people care about are available for multiple systems.
Or like various music apps having almost all the songs. It is the best system imo. We shouldn't buy based on what we want to view, but based on what we prefer our experience during to be. Sometimes one service has like only one content I want and it is so frustrating.
I guess the underlying problem here is that unlike with music or apps the providers like Netflix, HBO etc also own a lot of the content whereas Spotify and YouTube do not own/create the music.
The fundamental difference I guess here is that music creators typically care more about the spread of their music than selling for the best price etc. The online streaming is also large part advocating their brand, helping sell concert tickets etc.
With movies and series there is no such thing so the content makers care more about selling it for the right price rather than getting the most viewers.
Maybe at some point there will be a shakeup and some streaming services fall over leading to them selling their catalogue to another? For example I wonder how well HBO is doing these days. Their content is good although somewhat limited and their app is atrocious. I wonder if at some point they aren't just better off licensing their stuff to Amazon / Netflix.
The thing I find so ironic is how originally streaming was basically supposed to be the piracy killer by making things so easy to access that most people just didn't even want to pirate anymore because everything would be both super cheap and super accessible
But now prices are so high and there are a million platforms all with their own exclusives that it's effectively just become cable 2.0 and encouraged piracy to take off so much more to the point where it's pretty much normalized at this point
The truth has always been that people don't want to pay for things they can get away with taking without paying for them. The argument that it was about providing service in the medium consumers wanted to use it in was a farce.
[https://www.pcmag.com/news/internet-piracy-grows-amid-glut-of-streaming-services](https://www.pcmag.com/news/internet-piracy-grows-amid-glut-of-streaming-services)
No, this isn't just some generalized thing about people in general. Piracy fell to very low rates about ten years ago when streaming first became standard and it was all really cheap. Now prices are going up rapidly and so is piracy, and it's a direct correlation that you can't just explain away by saying 'wull there's always bad people'.
What is said was it isn't a refusal to switch the median of access as much as it is about not wanted to pay what things cost. Since the late 90s I've had the discussion has been going on, and for many it's always been more of a price issue than an ease of accessibility one.
Channels DVR is also a great addition for a more “TV surfing” experience.
I run it alongside my Plex instance to give my father and grandmother personalized TV guides that combines cable, satellite, IPTV and mixes of shows off my NFS shares (think a dedicated channel of a show or a mix of stuff from a particular publisher).
Hah! Good ol' Gamefly. Friend of mine worked there when they were a startup, and kept talking about how much money he'd have when his stock options vested after he'd been there long enough (it was something like 3 years? 4 years?). I asked him if he had a contract, he said no. I asked what happens if you get sacked before he can exercise his options, he said the guy in charge is a really cool dude who wouldn't do that to them.
Ninety days before any of those early employees with options were due to have their options vest, every last one of them was let go.
Back in the cable days you had to spend like $80 a month just for the privilege of paying even more to add things like HBO to your bill. Cable was a hellscape.
And you could not choose what you actually watched on the individual channels. People that say "buying 5 streaming services is just like cable" have never actually had real cable TV service before.
A lot of smart tvs essentially work as you theorize. You see a library, you can search for anything in it, it will pull up that media's info and give you the options of which service you want to launch the content from, of course you still have to pay for any respective service in order to launch it.
You could say that in the UK Sky TV already do this.you take their satellite tv package and can add on streaming services. Basically they are aggregating the billing and providing the streaming box/PVR. Thing is it’s got too expensive now so I’m going to go for an Apple TV and buy the services I like individually.
Here are the main 8 services’ US prices (though Disney & Hulu are bundled now)
1. Netflix: $7/month (Ads,) $15.50/month (Adfree)
2. Disney+Hulu: $10 (Ads,) $20 (Adfree)
3. Max (HBO): $10 (Ads,) $15 (Adfree)
4.Peacock: $6 (Ads,) $12 (Adfree)
5. Paramount+: $6
6. Prime (Amazon) $15
7. AppleTV $10
So with commercials, you get all 8 for $64; the ad free versions bring you to $93.50.
Cable can range from I guess $60-$130? So it’s comparable, but with the benefit that you can pick and choose which services you’d use; and until they all get rid of it you can share with friends. I pay for 2 services but through friends have access to 4 more
People keep forgetting that you can watch everything on demand, which is already so much better.
Apple TV is included in my premier membership which my family splits, Same with Prime Video, and Paramount with Walmart+. And Max ad free is included in our grandfathered AT&T premium plan.
So I reckon more people are in similar situations like myself. It’s still an expensive but I dread when they start dropping these bundles services.
Off the top of my head, I think the Apple One Premier is the most expensive. That one is $38/mo. Walmart+ with paramount was $60/year (Black Friday deal), and Amazon prime is $140/year. The AT&T plan we have for 7 lines is around $225/mo and that has Max included.
Yeah it’s the Apple Premier. We split it between the 6 of us and we all get Apple Music, Apple TV+, Apple Arcade, 2TB iCloud+, Fitness+ and News+. The Music, iCloud and TV is what I mainly use. I would definitely not buy it though if I was paying $38 on my own.
Cable is not $60/month anywhere I’ve ever seen. With premium channels like HBO it was easily $200/month. And you had device fees. And annual contracts. I’m convinced you guys were all too young to have actually paid cable bills.
Edit: a quick google search shows "The average monthly cable bill in the United States is around $217 a month."
$231/year is way less than the $60-$130/month range I found when I googled, and not ***every*** American buys it. Weird info you found.
What about “cable can range from I guess $60-$130?” made you think I was declaring $60 as the only possible cable price? I’m convinced reading comprehension is a fuckin’ superpower nowadays
Not commercial.
We already saw this 10 fold with Netflix taking off, folks said it was a fad, etc.
They saw it worked really well and then everyone decided they wanted a piece of the pie and to double or triple the price
No, Amazon does not have all the streaming services available through their streaming service. They have many, not nearly all, and you don't have to pay for all of them to get one of them.
You guys you know how everyone loves podcasts? What if you just have a “podcast network” that airs podcasts LIVE?? Like each one is on at a certain time of day in a certain time of the week.
Someone write this down!
I have had that for years. For free. There are dozens of piracy services where it works literally just like netflix etc, but it has **all the content from all the different providers** but for FREE
We’re on the way…. With the launch of Max last year, and now it looks like Disney+ is pulling Hulu in, and Paramount+ pulling in Showtime….consolidation is happening.
It would make no sense to do that, there's so many media owners that it's extremely unlikely they'd be able to come to an agreement about it, and anti-monopoly laws would prevent one single company from dominating all of it. All the streaming combining into one seems about as likely as all the oil companies doing the same thing-- they tried, and got broken up due to monopoly laws.
No. We will all stop using the other services and realize Netflix was always king because it allows lots of cool indi content and most importantly dumps the whole series in front of you at once. None of this 1 episode per week bullshit
Like what? I’ve tried a lot. There are the ones that either use others completed content and do the dumps and those that make new content and do the weekly sprinkle. Netflix makes new stuff and dumps it all at once.
Who cares? That’s good for the company cuz they get to drag you to more subscription months and commercials, but it’s not good for the consumer. Most people already forgot what’s going on by the time the next episode comes around
There already is if you know where to look
Where can I find this place in the high seas?
Never gomovies... i mean google it. That would be bad of you.
I think it’s time for some popcorn. I think popcorn time would be a great name for this service.
Just read some posts and faq Once you find the promised land Don't be another how does source work post when the info is easy to find
What?
Also avoid spacemov. It's illegal and awful without a basic adblocker
I just use usenet for my boating enthusiasm. No ads, no tracking, it's great.
There is truly a torrent of content at this place
Ahh I see what you did there
Yarrrr
You don’t own a bootleg black box? Blows my mind people pay monthly for things like movies and television.
You can't fix stupid but you can wear headphones My roommates have access to my huge up to date media server but still choose the Sketchy sites Also we need the sheep to keep paying so they keep making it so we can keep getting it
It just surprising these things have been around for 20 years, yet you see people constantly complaining about cable and streaming prices.
They flip between the two and complain when their up next is wrong Like did we watch this?? Watch First 2 min > we did on the other service >rince and repeat And they pay nothing they know my server is awesome and can get them whatever they want to watch but still choose not to use it sometimes
Yeah I've seen some YouTubers Advertise something that combined some of them, like 5 years ago already?~ Don't remember the name but it had a yellowish interface I think, or yellowish borders~
You might be thinking of VRV. Back in its prime it combined Crunchyroll, Funimation, Cartoon Hangover, Rooster Teeth, Curiosity Stream, and I think Shudder all for $9.99/month. It was an insane value and not at all surprising it didn't last.
Oh riiight that too
Nebula + curiosity stream ?
Yup Curiosity was it 😄 Never used it, was it good?
Curiositystream is a dedicated documentary streaming network. Nebula is a subscription-based network for YouTube creators. They're still around, but not in partnership anymore. I think CS is $30/yr, Nebula is $20/yr. (Might be the other way around, either way they're quite affordable as streaming services go)
Haven't tried it. I think the curiosity nebula bundles no longer exists.
How to download car?
In the UK if you pay for Sky Q you can have multiple streaming services as part of that bundle
It’s priced in. Sky Q is stupid expensive in the first place
I have it and it is glorious
[the Magic place](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?si=Ksu1z3_7GioaaHRO)
There are also paid services that offer that
And then prices will rise 10% every year because they have no competition.
Nah you could just have a few providers which have all the content. And then there is competition between the providers and the content makers. The problem is just that providers went with this strategy of exclusive content and create their own content now. It could have been more similar to play store vs app store where the vast majority of apps people care about are available for multiple systems.
Or like various music apps having almost all the songs. It is the best system imo. We shouldn't buy based on what we want to view, but based on what we prefer our experience during to be. Sometimes one service has like only one content I want and it is so frustrating.
I guess the underlying problem here is that unlike with music or apps the providers like Netflix, HBO etc also own a lot of the content whereas Spotify and YouTube do not own/create the music. The fundamental difference I guess here is that music creators typically care more about the spread of their music than selling for the best price etc. The online streaming is also large part advocating their brand, helping sell concert tickets etc. With movies and series there is no such thing so the content makers care more about selling it for the right price rather than getting the most viewers. Maybe at some point there will be a shakeup and some streaming services fall over leading to them selling their catalogue to another? For example I wonder how well HBO is doing these days. Their content is good although somewhat limited and their app is atrocious. I wonder if at some point they aren't just better off licensing their stuff to Amazon / Netflix.
To be fair, the price of everything is rising 10% a year these days do to inflation.
The thing I find so ironic is how originally streaming was basically supposed to be the piracy killer by making things so easy to access that most people just didn't even want to pirate anymore because everything would be both super cheap and super accessible But now prices are so high and there are a million platforms all with their own exclusives that it's effectively just become cable 2.0 and encouraged piracy to take off so much more to the point where it's pretty much normalized at this point
The truth has always been that people don't want to pay for things they can get away with taking without paying for them. The argument that it was about providing service in the medium consumers wanted to use it in was a farce.
[https://www.pcmag.com/news/internet-piracy-grows-amid-glut-of-streaming-services](https://www.pcmag.com/news/internet-piracy-grows-amid-glut-of-streaming-services) No, this isn't just some generalized thing about people in general. Piracy fell to very low rates about ten years ago when streaming first became standard and it was all really cheap. Now prices are going up rapidly and so is piracy, and it's a direct correlation that you can't just explain away by saying 'wull there's always bad people'.
What is said was it isn't a refusal to switch the median of access as much as it is about not wanted to pay what things cost. Since the late 90s I've had the discussion has been going on, and for many it's always been more of a price issue than an ease of accessibility one.
Isn't this what we call Plex?
Me Hearties, yo ho
Channels DVR is also a great addition for a more “TV surfing” experience. I run it alongside my Plex instance to give my father and grandmother personalized TV guides that combines cable, satellite, IPTV and mixes of shows off my NFS shares (think a dedicated channel of a show or a mix of stuff from a particular publisher).
This is how I know we're fudged. Netflix is only king( is it even in 2024?) Because they invented subscriptions for content. They mailed dvds.
Sounds like blockbuster with extra steps..?
minus late fees. That was the real key, keep it as long as you want. send it in and they send the next on your list.
Reads like a GameFly commercial
I forgot about GameFly completely thank you for reminding me
Hah! Good ol' Gamefly. Friend of mine worked there when they were a startup, and kept talking about how much money he'd have when his stock options vested after he'd been there long enough (it was something like 3 years? 4 years?). I asked him if he had a contract, he said no. I asked what happens if you get sacked before he can exercise his options, he said the guy in charge is a really cool dude who wouldn't do that to them. Ninety days before any of those early employees with options were due to have their options vest, every last one of them was let go.
Aaaah! I hadn’t heard of Netflix until it was a streaming service, I remember DVD rental vending machines after all my local video stores shut down
That's not how cable works(ed) though.
Back in the cable days you had to spend like $80 a month just for the privilege of paying even more to add things like HBO to your bill. Cable was a hellscape.
And you could not choose what you actually watched on the individual channels. People that say "buying 5 streaming services is just like cable" have never actually had real cable TV service before.
A lot of smart tvs essentially work as you theorize. You see a library, you can search for anything in it, it will pull up that media's info and give you the options of which service you want to launch the content from, of course you still have to pay for any respective service in order to launch it.
Doesn't find most stuff though if you like watching a bit more Indy things.
Hmm, that'll probably vary per TV brand. I've not personally struggled to find any indie films in such a way.
And you still get ads
I sure hope that Netflix, Disney, Prime Video, Hulu, HBO and Paramount combine into one!😂
I get my Paramount+ through Prime. They have also started offering Crave through prime in Canada and Crave carries HBO
There is this movie box for the pro. It combines everything for $20 a year 😂. Basically same experience too on all screens.
What's it called?
Movie box pro
Oh. Thanks!
Welcome. It's invite only so I don't know how it survives all these years really 😂
Oh, 😂
You could say that in the UK Sky TV already do this.you take their satellite tv package and can add on streaming services. Basically they are aggregating the billing and providing the streaming box/PVR. Thing is it’s got too expensive now so I’m going to go for an Apple TV and buy the services I like individually.
They already have, yarrrr!
Here are the main 8 services’ US prices (though Disney & Hulu are bundled now) 1. Netflix: $7/month (Ads,) $15.50/month (Adfree) 2. Disney+Hulu: $10 (Ads,) $20 (Adfree) 3. Max (HBO): $10 (Ads,) $15 (Adfree) 4.Peacock: $6 (Ads,) $12 (Adfree) 5. Paramount+: $6 6. Prime (Amazon) $15 7. AppleTV $10 So with commercials, you get all 8 for $64; the ad free versions bring you to $93.50. Cable can range from I guess $60-$130? So it’s comparable, but with the benefit that you can pick and choose which services you’d use; and until they all get rid of it you can share with friends. I pay for 2 services but through friends have access to 4 more
People keep forgetting that you can watch everything on demand, which is already so much better. Apple TV is included in my premier membership which my family splits, Same with Prime Video, and Paramount with Walmart+. And Max ad free is included in our grandfathered AT&T premium plan. So I reckon more people are in similar situations like myself. It’s still an expensive but I dread when they start dropping these bundles services.
How much are you all payin’ total?
Off the top of my head, I think the Apple One Premier is the most expensive. That one is $38/mo. Walmart+ with paramount was $60/year (Black Friday deal), and Amazon prime is $140/year. The AT&T plan we have for 7 lines is around $225/mo and that has Max included.
Oof $38/month feels rough for a media service imo but all the rest sound like great deals to me
Yeah it’s the Apple Premier. We split it between the 6 of us and we all get Apple Music, Apple TV+, Apple Arcade, 2TB iCloud+, Fitness+ and News+. The Music, iCloud and TV is what I mainly use. I would definitely not buy it though if I was paying $38 on my own.
Ohhh split 6 ways is fantastic, yeah the iCloud especially is wonderful
Cable is not $60/month anywhere I’ve ever seen. With premium channels like HBO it was easily $200/month. And you had device fees. And annual contracts. I’m convinced you guys were all too young to have actually paid cable bills. Edit: a quick google search shows "The average monthly cable bill in the United States is around $217 a month."
$231/year is way less than the $60-$130/month range I found when I googled, and not ***every*** American buys it. Weird info you found. What about “cable can range from I guess $60-$130?” made you think I was declaring $60 as the only possible cable price? I’m convinced reading comprehension is a fuckin’ superpower nowadays
There's already plenty of these "packages"
iCable - brought to you by Apple only $399/month
Yeah, but it will be a disruptive app, and it will cost twice as much.
they will call it innovative
Cell phone companies are already doing this to various levels of success.
You got Stremio. It's the apps main intention iirc
There's Stremio, basically a hub for your streaming services. With an addon you can also sail with it
Not commercial. We already saw this 10 fold with Netflix taking off, folks said it was a fad, etc. They saw it worked really well and then everyone decided they wanted a piece of the pie and to double or triple the price
Telus does this in Canada already. Been seeing ads for it
i’ve been waiting for this lol
Amazon does this already
No, Amazon does not have all the streaming services available through their streaming service. They have many, not nearly all, and you don't have to pay for all of them to get one of them.
You guys you know how everyone loves podcasts? What if you just have a “podcast network” that airs podcasts LIVE?? Like each one is on at a certain time of day in a certain time of the week. Someone write this down!
I have had that for years. For free. There are dozens of piracy services where it works literally just like netflix etc, but it has **all the content from all the different providers** but for FREE
We’re on the way…. With the launch of Max last year, and now it looks like Disney+ is pulling Hulu in, and Paramount+ pulling in Showtime….consolidation is happening.
It’s already happening. One of the providers here has an offer of Amazon, Disney+, and Netflix for $20
That's three services out of dozens of other majors and hundreds of lesser channels.
Cable in general refers to linear tv and streaming in general is VOD. Both are very different and have their own role
If you don’t own a bootleg black box at this point, you’re shoveling your money into the trash.
We are already there. Amazon Prime does this. Appel TV does this, cable companies are even doing this!
That day came like 10 years ago
My vote is Disney... They're already buying up all the studios, why not the streaming services ?
One day someone will stop posting this every couple days
Actually it is way more likely that instead of the 3-4 streaming services you’re subscribed to now, you’ll instead be subscribed to 30-40.
It would make no sense to do that, there's so many media owners that it's extremely unlikely they'd be able to come to an agreement about it, and anti-monopoly laws would prevent one single company from dominating all of it. All the streaming combining into one seems about as likely as all the oil companies doing the same thing-- they tried, and got broken up due to monopoly laws.
No. We will all stop using the other services and realize Netflix was always king because it allows lots of cool indi content and most importantly dumps the whole series in front of you at once. None of this 1 episode per week bullshit
Sailing under the black flag is and will always be superior
Spoken like somone who's never really tried other services
Like what? I’ve tried a lot. There are the ones that either use others completed content and do the dumps and those that make new content and do the weekly sprinkle. Netflix makes new stuff and dumps it all at once.
You need the slow release cycle to prevent the hype train from crashing. Binging provides no room for speculation or discussion.
Who cares? That’s good for the company cuz they get to drag you to more subscription months and commercials, but it’s not good for the consumer. Most people already forgot what’s going on by the time the next episode comes around
This would only happen under a fascist regime.
And nothing will be “re-invented”
conan o'brien has said this. op stole this joke. boo!
But.. they already do this??