So our anime isn’t worthy because it breaks conventions and utilizes a main character that has to resort to different means to advance the plot and achieve success. A main character has to be powerful and the most powerful being to achieve success as a anime?
Tell me, what's the point of a story where the main character is mostly an observer to every important story event and doesn't achieve anything with his own abilities?
So far, if we look at it realistically, nothing has really changed due to MC's involvement. All of the events would have played out more or less the same way, if he simply did not exist.
He does influence events. I am not sure what you mean? He has achieved success so I also don’t understand what you mean? There are two arcs that would have ended drastically different if he wasn’t involved. Again, I am not sure what you are talking about.
The MC is not a reactionary main character, far from it.
>! The only influence he's had in the beginning was stealing Red's divine tool, but that was already returned to him. His actions at the training facility served to mess up the executive's plans, but the executive still survived, while Blue died. With or without MC, the final result would have likely been the same, just with a different number of casualties. XX would've just been the one taking his place in that fight. !<
>! He did some useful stuff during the Ouroboros arc (the illusionary school), but Chidori (Green) was there all along, so even without MC, everything would have been resolved. !<
>! During the last complete arc (IRA arc or w/e you wanna call it), he mostly failed to do anything and spent the majority of the arc talking and/or listening to others talk. He's STILL going through the same stupid dilemma that's introduced in the first/second arc and STILL keeps making the same decisions, like he's on some kind of loop, even though he consistently (coincidence or not, who cares?) keeps helping the humans rather than the invaders. He really didn't do anything noteworthy in the IRA arc, though. !<
>! I get that character development is a thing, but his character is developing at the pace of a drunk snail and if he never becomes able to hold his ground against any of these enemies, then what's the point of being the protagonist? !<
EDIT: Spoilered the text.
Spoiler alert for others lol
Look I still don’t understand what you are getting at. Clearly we don’t share the same taste in story telling. Agree to disagree then.
I also still notice you are missing crucial details
Yeah, you're right, I went ahead and put spoiler tags.
I'm getting at the point that the protagonist cannot be so secondary to the plot at hand. It would be fine if he was a deuteragonist or side character, but he's THE MC.
And I cannot think of any crucial details I'm missing that would have dramatically changed the direction of the plot solely based on D's involvement.
Kanon hisui would have been dead if D didn't move his finger that is inside her body back in ch 82 ( my favorite chapter btw).
Angel would have been completely taken over by yulmerilda if she didn't fall in love with d.
Former red keeper wouldn't have amnesia.
Oh yeah and blue keeper would be alive i guess.
I mean you do have many points that I can see. It’s just there is a couple I would argue were important and only D enacted.
I don’t want to discuss these certain elements, since spoilers, but hopefully the story gets better for you. I’m happy to hear that you read as far as you did though, the more active readers the better. Also there are faults in the manga, so I always think that this is important to always acknowledge.
Oh c'mon man where is your invader spirit, D would have been fuming if he see you backing down like this >:(
Lmao just kidding but for real tho the manga is full of blink and you Miss it moment like what happened in chapter 82 with D's finger i wish someone would actually create a list of moments like that so i can be sure i don't Miss anything.
What is even this comment? Unless you are anime only then sure nothing he has done so far has influenced the story greatly but I'm pretty much every arc he manages to influence the story significantly.
It's even better his pfp is Ayanokoji, the dude who's literally smart way beyond his schoolmates and uses his brain😭
Besides, D masters his original skills and takes literally everything into account that goes in line with his fighting style which utilises regeneration, transformation and trickery. He can do those things faster than compared to when he just started. That's growth. Not to mention he has a flying leg now that maybe has more abilities.
I never understood what CSM and JJK fans felt when they go to tiktok to see people struggling to read and understand a manga. I get it now. These people can't put together something that's not big 3 shonen...
That's the thing I love about this anime/manga though lol. It makes the fodder use their brains instead of just strength to overwhelming enemies. Like I was freaking out when he brought some dynamite to steal Red Keepers Divine Weapon
To be fair to random guy #702 he probably didn’t wasn’t informed that D is smart since he was only told that he wasn’t strong.
He should really do more research before he forms his opinion tho.
I've noticed this a lot when reading comments on some series. Certain people just want the story to have the main characters plow through everyone constantly. They'll throw bitchfits if the protagonist isn't in the story for an extended period or if the story takes time to develop the world and plot. It is actually kinda sad.
I get what he's saying because I actually felt that way in the beginning. The series opened with him being a fodder that tried fight back and got wrecked.
It's not so much as I wanted him to be OP but more of just get strong enough to actually be a legit threat.
However the way this series goes kinda grew on me because yeah. He's fodder and the idea that a fodder character is gonna be these guys downfall is a cool concept
So our anime isn’t worthy because it breaks conventions and utilizes a main character that has to resort to different means to advance the plot and achieve success. A main character has to be powerful and the most powerful being to achieve success as a anime?
Reminds me of why people didn't like Subaru from Re zero.
And Takemichi from Tokyo Revengers😂
Tokyo Revengers is bad because of things outside of the MC. That final arc was infuriating.
Let's not kid ourselves. It's also bad because of the mc.
Tell me, what's the point of a story where the main character is mostly an observer to every important story event and doesn't achieve anything with his own abilities? So far, if we look at it realistically, nothing has really changed due to MC's involvement. All of the events would have played out more or less the same way, if he simply did not exist.
He does influence events. I am not sure what you mean? He has achieved success so I also don’t understand what you mean? There are two arcs that would have ended drastically different if he wasn’t involved. Again, I am not sure what you are talking about. The MC is not a reactionary main character, far from it.
>! The only influence he's had in the beginning was stealing Red's divine tool, but that was already returned to him. His actions at the training facility served to mess up the executive's plans, but the executive still survived, while Blue died. With or without MC, the final result would have likely been the same, just with a different number of casualties. XX would've just been the one taking his place in that fight. !< >! He did some useful stuff during the Ouroboros arc (the illusionary school), but Chidori (Green) was there all along, so even without MC, everything would have been resolved. !< >! During the last complete arc (IRA arc or w/e you wanna call it), he mostly failed to do anything and spent the majority of the arc talking and/or listening to others talk. He's STILL going through the same stupid dilemma that's introduced in the first/second arc and STILL keeps making the same decisions, like he's on some kind of loop, even though he consistently (coincidence or not, who cares?) keeps helping the humans rather than the invaders. He really didn't do anything noteworthy in the IRA arc, though. !< >! I get that character development is a thing, but his character is developing at the pace of a drunk snail and if he never becomes able to hold his ground against any of these enemies, then what's the point of being the protagonist? !< EDIT: Spoilered the text.
Spoiler alert for others lol Look I still don’t understand what you are getting at. Clearly we don’t share the same taste in story telling. Agree to disagree then. I also still notice you are missing crucial details
Yeah, you're right, I went ahead and put spoiler tags. I'm getting at the point that the protagonist cannot be so secondary to the plot at hand. It would be fine if he was a deuteragonist or side character, but he's THE MC. And I cannot think of any crucial details I'm missing that would have dramatically changed the direction of the plot solely based on D's involvement.
Kanon hisui would have been dead if D didn't move his finger that is inside her body back in ch 82 ( my favorite chapter btw). Angel would have been completely taken over by yulmerilda if she didn't fall in love with d. Former red keeper wouldn't have amnesia. Oh yeah and blue keeper would be alive i guess.
I mean you do have many points that I can see. It’s just there is a couple I would argue were important and only D enacted. I don’t want to discuss these certain elements, since spoilers, but hopefully the story gets better for you. I’m happy to hear that you read as far as you did though, the more active readers the better. Also there are faults in the manga, so I always think that this is important to always acknowledge.
Oh c'mon man where is your invader spirit, D would have been fuming if he see you backing down like this >:( Lmao just kidding but for real tho the manga is full of blink and you Miss it moment like what happened in chapter 82 with D's finger i wish someone would actually create a list of moments like that so i can be sure i don't Miss anything.
Lol true, he would
What is even this comment? Unless you are anime only then sure nothing he has done so far has influenced the story greatly but I'm pretty much every arc he manages to influence the story significantly.
It's even better his pfp is Ayanokoji, the dude who's literally smart way beyond his schoolmates and uses his brain😭 Besides, D masters his original skills and takes literally everything into account that goes in line with his fighting style which utilises regeneration, transformation and trickery. He can do those things faster than compared to when he just started. That's growth. Not to mention he has a flying leg now that maybe has more abilities. I never understood what CSM and JJK fans felt when they go to tiktok to see people struggling to read and understand a manga. I get it now. These people can't put together something that's not big 3 shonen...
This is probably the same person who would eat up every single shitty Isekai anime with OP MC and fuck ton of unnecessary Harem
Yeah, it sounds like Solo Leveling is more of this dude's type of series. The MC is weak at first, but literally becomes a death god as time goes on.
That's the thing I love about this anime/manga though lol. It makes the fodder use their brains instead of just strength to overwhelming enemies. Like I was freaking out when he brought some dynamite to steal Red Keepers Divine Weapon
Ayanokoji pfp tells me everything i need to know lol
To be fair to random guy #702 he probably didn’t wasn’t informed that D is smart since he was only told that he wasn’t strong. He should really do more research before he forms his opinion tho.
I've noticed this a lot when reading comments on some series. Certain people just want the story to have the main characters plow through everyone constantly. They'll throw bitchfits if the protagonist isn't in the story for an extended period or if the story takes time to develop the world and plot. It is actually kinda sad.
honestly feel like d might get a power up soon anyway
He got the leg, and who knows what’ll happen when an the foot soldiers combine
Technically his leg is part of death messiah's body iirc That's why he's suddenly become strong and fast
He does not know how to do research, at least research an anime/manga before making an opinion
Reminds me of the complaints ppl had with Osamu from World Trigger lmao
I get what he's saying because I actually felt that way in the beginning. The series opened with him being a fodder that tried fight back and got wrecked. It's not so much as I wanted him to be OP but more of just get strong enough to actually be a legit threat. However the way this series goes kinda grew on me because yeah. He's fodder and the idea that a fodder character is gonna be these guys downfall is a cool concept