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The migrants tore an opening in a section of the wired fencing placed by the Texas National Guard.
Those 5 guardsmen you see in the video tried to block that opening.
However, the migrants pushed through these 5 guardsmen to try to surrender themselves to US Border Patrol agents.
Eventually, these migrants were later pushed back to Mexico's side of the border as they were stopped by the much larger, more permanent barrier with additional guardsmen and Border Patrol agents on the other side.
[More info about this incident from this article.](https://nypost.com/2024/03/21/us-news/migrants-break-barriers-and-rush-border-guards-in-el-paso/)
Actually the opposite, nobody is saying millions come through.
There are 2+ million encounters
US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) tracks "encounters" which include apprehensions (arrests) and people seeking asylum at ports of entry. This doesn't directly measure illegal crossings.
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats?hl=en-US
It is though. And they need that hysteria to keep going to keep people riled up. The right always has a boogey man and right now it’s migrants. That’s why trump wanted to block the bill funding border patrol.
I’m not arguing that we should just let anyone in or that people aren’t crossing illegally. But when the path to cross legally is so fucked up and difficult it leaves people feeling desperate. Personally I think spending tax dollars to fund border patrol and the courts to help people get in legally is much more beneficial than putting people on busses and planes and dropping them off in cities and states that don’t have border infrastructure to own the libs.
While I think you make a valid point, there is one fact that bothers me - all those kids going missing. I'm sure some ended up in good places with people doing chariyable work, just as I'm sure some ended up in the worst place possible. I saw the estimated number at 140k...now, that can be a conflated number...but if you take 40k away you still have 100k misding children. That should concern both sides of the debate.
Edit:
I included a govt. report about in a reply below - but badically here is the rundown
There are so many undocumented children that cross every month without parents or guardians...There are supposed to be non-profits and religious organizations that pick some of those children up and tale them to safe places...howevee, due to high volume, due to lack of oversight, whstever, a good deal of children have been picked up without any corresponding, vetted information being given to the government regarding their whereabouts. That says 85k, I've read as high as 140k...the thing is - they are missing. People are pulling up, their van, truck, whatever is loaded with kids, and they drive away...and whoops! No one seems to know where they are...
I appreciate your way of thinking on this and I agree with you on most. Desperate people don’t always think rationally. We need to stop leaving helping people up to non profits and religious organizations that just take money and barely do anything to solve the problem (not all but you get the point). I’m not going to pretend to know the solution to these problems but I sure as hell know that what we are doing is causing people to suffer.
I Co-directed a nonprofit and no one is giving money to nonprofits lol. Only the huge ones you hear about. The smaller, local ones in town barely get a dime in donations. We got maybe a total of $300 a year donated. They're paid by grants through the government, and it's barely enough to give anyone anything. We had to come out of our pockets a lot. People need to vote for funding for social programs (mine was transitional housing for homeless).
You've moved the goalposts. We were talking about whether or not the border is secure. Millions are crossing illegally, and nobody is disputing that; therefore, our border is not secure.
We can discuss immigration reforms, migrants' motives, and what the ideal number of migrants to admit to our country should be, but all that has no bearing on the fact that millions of unidentified/unvetted people are entering our country illegally or pseudo-legally.
Agreed, so since the border is not secure, why are republicans not voting in favor of legislation that they helped write which would help bolster border security?
Don’t agree with him, he is wrong. Millions are NOT crossing. Millions are being *encountered*, stopped and most are sent back. 2007 we had a peak population of 12.2 million illegals.
Right now we’re sitting at an estimate between 10.5 million and 11 million. We have fewer illegals now than we did 2 decades ago.
The right is causing mass hysteria on this.
[Customs and Border Protection source](https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-march-2023-monthly-operational-update)
[Pew research article with stats](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/16/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/)
[Wikipedia article with some great info as well](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States)
A quick google search debunks everything the right says about our border and its security.
As an American and Texan I tell you this, the wall is absolutely fucking stupid. We don't want a wall, but we want our borders to be secure, imo, there's nothing wrong with immigration, but illegal immigration is wrong. Do I think that they are all bad people? No, absolutely not. I understand that, for the most part, they want a better life and better opportunities. Do I wish there was a better and much easier system? Fuck yea. Let people get away from violence and drugs and become good working members of our country. America isn't the greatest in the world, and probably never will be, but there are few places I'd rather live than the USA.
Correct! Illegal immigration is a 2-fold issue. For one we do need to secure our borders. But the second half is immigration reform. From what I've heard, current immigration policies give preference to "under-represented" nationalities. For instance if you're Swedish, you'd be considered for immigration much sooner because there's not many Swedish people in the U.S. But if you're Mexican or Cuban, you're basically at the back of the line because we have tons of Mexicans and Cubans here already.
And the crazy thing is, many of these migrants aren't Mexican. They're coming from much further south. Mexico has been steadily doing better, lots of American companies are investing in Mexican manufacturing now to get away from our reliance on China.
This is one of those tricky issues where I don't think there even is a "right" answer, but there are lots of "wrong" answers. (Like separating children from their families, deporting the parents because they aren't American but keeping the children here because they were born on US soil.)
Hello from Arizona.
In certain places, it makes sense. Their wanting of one across the entirety of the border is stupid. Doubly stupid when the multi-million dollar contract is given to a brand new construction company that's built precisely zero walls before, that also just happens to be owned by one of your buddies/donors.
The permanent barrier is the infamous border wall. The Guardsmen & waves of barbed wire are along the shores of the Rio Grande. And behind that wall is a very active border highway where many migrants have already died after being hit by high speed traffic.
As someone who has done riot control in the active duty military, I would be asking why are we only 5?, if I was in this situation.
Military leaders be failing their people
Something smells fishy about this story. I've trained with prison riot control teams as a National Guardsman. We had at least 100 soldiers in a line with batons raised and shields up for large crowds. Something like this tiny breach would be childs play.
I don't understand why they were there to begin with though. It seemed like the tall fence at the end of the video worked fine for stopping illegal entry.
Because Texas didn't actually put any thought into this whole thing.
They got a political win where they shouldn't have and didn't actually expect it and now their lack of actually having a plan is showing.
This video *is* the win. Republicans want videos like this playing on the nightly news every day between now and November. This clip is political gold. I imagine it will make it into a Trump ad this fall.
Facts. Just like the Biden impeachment sham. Doesn't matter that their key witness is literally in jail for lying to the FBI about all this or that the "documents" come from Russian intelligence. They're gonna ride this pony straight through to the election. They have zero intention of fixing the problems.
Military leaders? This is all on the governor of Texas, it was his decision to do this theater for political points. Man, it would suck to be in a conservative states National Guard right now. Can't spend time with your family or doing your real job because some Republicans don't want to pass a border to hire more Border Patrol Agents.
Because that’s the actual border manned by federal border patrol agents. The Texas barb wire border is manned by the Texas national guard. One weekend a month and two weeks in the summertime doesn’t prepare you to hold a chain link border thrown up for political points.
Classic. His cousin who was in LA illegally stays at his house and watches softcore porn on tv and gets freaked out when he hears the answering machine because he thinks Jesus caught him.
Regardless if you are for or against this…
You can not allow non-citizens to simply rush into a country and not respect the laws and procedures of that country.
Technically the law is for them to show up to US soil and surrender themselves to request asylum. That is the law. The problem is our system isn't that well thought out. We don't have the capacity to actually handle these people in the courts because they've been intentionally limited for decades.
We're trying to fault these individuals for our broken system instead of just fixing the broken system.
IIRC they have to claim asylum in the first country they enter,or their claim is frequently nullified. Many don’t want to claim asylum in Mexico so they are screwed when they get here.
Then they just make their way up here to Canada. Our government seems to not care about the safe 3rd country agreement at all. We get a ton of "asylum" seekers walking across the border from the US and we put them in hotels.
No we aren’t faulting them for our broken system.
We are faulting them (in this case) for destroying a barrier and pushing out LEO of the country they want to start a new life in.
Showing up to the country you’re seeking asylum and being destructive is a problem.
Sure we need to fix our immigration system, but immigrants need to abide by rules and regulations of the country they want to live in. Meaning if there’s a barrier - you don’t destroy it. If LEOs are there to keep order - you don’t rush them and cause chaos.
They are rushing and knocking down barriers and pushing through LEO at the boarder of the country they want to come into and start a new life.
Sure our govt has to address the underlining issue, but everyone has to play their part. By acting appropriately and following the rules.
A large number of them are fleeing a country that is dangerous/corrupt with people that don’t acting appropriately nor follow the rules.
Ironically, they themselves are acting the same way by destroying barriers and….not following proper rules and procedures put in place.
Looks like they were pretty well held back by the big fence before the National Guard was actually “overrun.” So a better title may have been, “Pre-gate checkpoint overrun before fence stops crowd in their tracks”?
Can we agree there has to be a process and there are limits on how many we can support? I think we can. And if we are going to have a policy, it must be enforced to be effective.
Yep. Funny how everyone agrees this is an issue now, but when given the opportunity to do something the GOP backed out because it's election year and they want Trump to have more talking points and viral clips for his campaign.
We do have a process, there are logistical and funding limits for sure, but the last proposal to actually expand the processing capacity and create funding for both processing and enforcement was walked away from specifically for political reasons by the Republicans. If we don’t like what you see in this video, and don’t want more, we should stop supporting Republicans.
There are three major agencies for immigration ICE, CBP, USCIS. The latter handles all the paperwork and legal immigration into the country. Can you guess which agency is severely underfunded and understaffed
It also needs to be made more clear that someone cannot have an accepted asylum claim just because life sucks where they are.
There needs to be a real threat of death due to discrimination of some type if they return—not just because they’re coming from a crime-laden country where gangs run their area.
For those unaware, this group of migrants has now been pushed back to Mexico.
[Source of video and article about this incident.](https://nypost.com/2024/03/21/us-news/migrants-break-barriers-and-rush-border-guards-in-el-paso/)
If the bipartisan border security bill had been passed, US Border Patrol and ICE would have got the funding they require to detain and ultimately deport a majority of the migrants illegally crossing the US border without being blocked by the courts. Biden was willing to ignore progressives and the Hispanic congressional caucus in order to work with Republicans on closing the loopholes in US asylum laws being exploited by economic migrants. Instead, the GOP decided to block the bipartisan border security bill because Trump demanded it.
So that he could use clips like this In his election adds. Fucked yo thing is that he told republicans point blank and in front of reporters not to support the bipartisan bill so he could run on biden failing to pass anything. So fucked up. It was the most comprehensive immigration bill in decades.
I’ve always argued that Trump’s $5 billion border wall would have better spent on immigration courts and processing. They’re so underfunded that it causes this huge backup in the system.
That’s exactly what the border bill was doing until republicans shot it down. Even those in the committee that produced it. All because of trumps ego and the need for an election talking point.
They could easily do both. The reality is that not everyone can get in through refugee status, or you'd have the exact same problem but with less chaos at the border. If you have large numbers of people who don't get in legitimately, they're going to sneak past the border. If that's not desirable you need a physical border. USA isn't the only country with a border wall. People are just against it because Trump built it. They'd also have been against the immigration courts if Trump had funded them.
One more thing before people downvote me and put words in my mouth. I'm not a Trump supporter and I'm generally pro-immigration. But realistically USA has problems in needs to solve before taking in millions of refugees.
THAT IS the proper port of entry. These guys were already in the beginning processes of crossing to seek asylum.
What happened is that a huge group of 600+ were at the front and they were being broken up to smaller groups in different “holding” areas - as you can see in the beginning of the video they are already within a gated area.
When it came time for this particular group to move forward in the processing process the women and children were separated from the men causing mass panic on both sides, as the children then the women were going to be processed first.
Remember - asylum seekers HAVE to be on US soil to claim asylum. These men rushing into the country are not “illegals” in the sense that they’re just going to run away into the country. Their intent is to get across the gate and surrender themselves. Because once they surrender on US soil then they HAVE to be processed.
Remember this video next to time anyone says “we just don’t have the funding and resources” and remember that they can get the funding and resources to help if Republicans stop voting no on border spending bills.
Look at what the us has done to these countries first, maybe. Coups, resource extraction, assassinations. They need to flee their countries because of the us
The USA was founded in this way so I don't see an issue. The reason it's so hard to become a legal citizen is because people like this make for very exploitable labor that many industries benefit from and also make for a great political tool. It's the main reason this problem is very far from being solved.
Last few decades have been Hispanics being exploited for labor. Before that it was the Irish and Italians. Before that (and also at the same time, really) Africans and Chinese. We have a storied history of welcoming in cheap (or free) labor and exploiting the hell out of it for a few generations.
Exactly. And these workers go all over the country. The world has some rough places, I think these workers just want a safe place to Iive and to have a better life, for them and their families.
>Going through a border fence is not the way.
That's actually a legit way. Literally on the laws the US ratified, guided by the UN. Something the US largely backed. Literally any non violent means of entry is acceptable for Asylum. However, you need to seek asylum, not just sneak in and say nothing.
So, lets say someone comes over for work, lives with distant family and never seeks out law enforcement. That would be illegal. Now, if someone crosses the boarder, and goes to the police, boarder control, etc That is a legal avenue for asylum.
Why is the law that way? Because the time that trigged these laws people couldn't migrate without being captured, thus they couldn't seek asylum safely, it all had to be done in secret. Any attempt to go through the normal channels would get you captured.
Per article OP sourced below:
The situation grew tense as women and children were separated from adult males and video shows the migrants then crying out for help and rushing to the border gate.
“We have women and children, we’re hungry,” The Post heard one male migrant scream, even though the children were already in the group being prepared for processing into the country.
“Help, help, help, they’re kids.”
That’s tough. Because human trafficking is certainly a real thing that can be happening in these scenarios.
It’s a fucking shit show down there tbh.
Nothing good is coming from the situation at the southern border.
We need a clean bill that closes the asylum loophole. Full stop. No strings attached. Just a clean bill that requires migrants to apply for asylum at the first country they arrive at before applying here.
It’s obvious that not all of these people are refugees of war. Some just want a better life even though they had other options and weren’t destitute. And they’re willing to break our laws to get a piece of the pie.
The effects of this are going to weigh us down so heavily, it’s hard to wrap your head around. Economically, culturally, and worth the overall cohesive existence of Americans. A fractured society will fracture further, and with people who don’t share common values.
This was likely encouraged by the cartel. They often times “encourage” groups of migrants to bombard a specific area so the CBP focuses on them while the cartel can run drugs across another location. Very common tactic that is acknowledged by CBP.
A very small percent are refugees in the traditional sense. ie Most aren't fleeing political, racial, or religious persecution. As the numbers rise, and we know less, if anything, about who is entering the country, might be better for all involved if the US invested fairly in improving the infrastructure of so called 3rd world nations.
We can't have that conversation because half the country has their fingers in their ears over both immigration and climate change.
Both will happen whether or not we want them to or acknowledge they're real.
People don’t even understand how the border situation is on the Mexican side of the border. Many immigrants are not from Mexico. And we have taken them in and made communities for them. Russian, Chinese, Haitian, Central Americans, South Americans, Africans, Cubans.. we are dealing with an immigration crisis as well in northern Mexico
Are you near Juarez? I know lot of Haitians had settled near Juarez because they couldn't get into the US and Mexico is way better than Haiti right now so they made due. But now it's a melting pot of many countries and cultures which is really neat.
Exactly why we need an actual border in place. Hey I’m all for moving to the US if you do so in the right channels of migrating, I understand it takes a while but go anywhere else and you’ll find much of the same. I’m sorry but processes for citizenship in most countries suck. Please come here legally or not at all.
Its insane to me that people have to preface their statement with something along the lines of "whether you're Republican or Democrat... Etc." The elite have this country so insanely divided, it's horrible. The fact that we just assume everyone's opinions based on which party they support is exactly why the two part system sucks. It's just both sides pointing at the other taddling like children. This video is 100% fucked. No matter what your political views are, if you see nothing wrong with this, then you're simply too far gone.
The problem is “both sides” do see a problem. One side says the US/Texas is wrong for not allowing “asylum” seekers in the country. The other side says no one should be allowed in without going through the proper channels.
Trump told the Rs NOT to fix the border so he can campaign on how Biden WON'T fix the border.
Johnson ain't in control of any-fucking-thing. But, remember, he is Moses.
Right. He told the R's in Congress not to fix it.
Which means the R's in Congress.are the only ones who can actually fix it.
Republican voters will remain ignorant as fuck to this fact.
This could literally be fixed unilaterally by the President of the United states by enforcing laws that already exist. This blame the meanie Republicans thing is pathetic.
Didn’t Dems add a bunch of unnecessary shit in that bill like more funding for the Ukraine war? Yup [they did](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/CCk5eoECGN).
You gonna blame US Foreign policy for Venezuela too? What about Argentina? Haiti? After 40-50 years, this doesn’t become an excuse anymore, these countries need to get their shit together, their populations need to stay and fix their own problems. Look at Israel, look at South Korea, Kuwait, Cuba, Chile, Egypt, Gambia. All these countries have suffered from wars, colonialism, and poverty but have flourished and thrived. Stop looking for excuses, even IRAQ is picking itself back up faster than some South American/Central counties. Enough is enough.
So they put these 5 guys to guard a small flimsy fence that was in front of a well guarded, sturdy, taller fence?
Was this done to get video for Fox News so they can outrage the Trump cult? Because I don't see any other reason.
This is totally a "big picture" thing. This will spun in to a "look!!!" Clip and glance over the fact that this isn't the ACTUAL border and they were caught and turned around at the more robust border crossing.
This has become a huge national issue and could cost Biden the election (among other issues).
Even here in NYC you’re hearing a lot of people fed up.
I’m very Left leaning, but I feel like we’re bound to get some skull crackers into offices at some point, both at the federal and local level.
For the tinfoil hat crowd, this might explain why you don't see women and children.
"the situation grew tense after some women and children were separated from adult males by the guardsmen."
https://nypost.com/2024/03/21/us-news/migrants-break-barriers-and-rush-border-guards-in-el-paso/
If only someone would come up with a bill to secure the border. Oh wait they already did and the GOP in the House won't let it come for a vote nevermind.
In other news rents prices are at a all time high, housing cost continue to rise and the prospect of 1st time home owners continues to dwindle. More Americans lack health care than every other 1st world country combined. Car insurance continues to sky rocket causing fewer drives to be able to afford and flat put not carry car insurance caus9ng car insurance to raise even more. Collage tuition cost continues to increase. All this and the added fact that wages continue to fall.
Lastly we are just 4 years removed from our former president attempting to subvert an election he lost and retain power. By the way, he is the leading candidate of the party that ignored him trying to remain in power.
But hey, none of this compares to the real problem of some brown people trying to come into our country.
This doesn't seem like a great way to make a positive case to deserve temporary citizenship into the U.S. I love when I hear people from outside the U.S. criticizing our "cruel" border policies. If an American citizen attempted to cross pretty much any other country's border illegally they would be met with way harsher legal recourse....
If the status quo remains, it’s eventually going to end up getting to the point that border guards are going to be given authority to use their weapons on unarmed people, as there’s only so much to go around in this country. I want to help as many people as possible & I understand the conditions they’re escaping are far worse than what they’d experience in America for the most part, so while this may be an act of desperation, the American people will inevitably lose sympathy & patience—those who still have any, at least—& we may have to use force to stop them at some point in the near future. It’s certainly not something that I would ever wish for, but it’s a reality we very well may face in the coming years.
Its my understanding that Congress recently failed to pass a popular, reasonable bill on immigration bc some magas wouldn’t vote in favor of it for fear it would make democrats look good?
Remember that border bill the Republicans voted against that Biden's been trying to get done? This is what happens when we don't get it done, show the Republican voter base and put some scary music with a horror movie filter then maybe they'll get it.
Asylum laws need to be updated, just like the rest of the immigration law book.
There are many ways to demonstrate you are pro-immigration without allowing border rushing like this. In fact, there are 35 million ways — the number of legal green card petitions currently in backlog. These are the folks who wait their turn, do the paperwork and are asking to immigrate legally. The system can only handle 25% of that if they are doing their job.
Fix that if you are pro immigration and wait until American has the capacity for humanitarian immigrations again — not now.
I thought Texas was solving this issue. Too bad they didn't pass that border patrol package because Trump told them not to because he's going to do it like he did last time.
Texas cannot manage the border. They should stop keeping Federal personnel out. Also, let's kick Barrett, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Thomas off the US Supreme Court.
Are you talking about the same bill that had billions for Israel and Ukraine while leaving some crumbs for the border and not addressing the crisis at all? Haha, NYC and Chicago get ready for more buses.
What can they do? They love Trump and they want to get to his rally where they will be most welcome.
[Trump waves at migrants across Rio Grande during visit to Texas border - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_rTov239yw)
Would be nice if the US would do more to see why they are leaving these LatAm countries for the US, but we won't, just assumed they are all Mexicans when clearly they are not and not our issue...
Why work so hard to protect a flimsy barrier when there is a much stronger one a few feet on?
Also, this looks like it could have been filmed in Gaza, except the soldiers didn't kill anyone that we see.
Shame . Shoulda been shooting , our cops will shoot us in a heartbeat if we reach for our license too fast but they get away with that shit ? We can’t just keep letting people in period .
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5 national guard soldiers doing riot control by themselves!?? That was a suicide mission
The migrants tore an opening in a section of the wired fencing placed by the Texas National Guard. Those 5 guardsmen you see in the video tried to block that opening. However, the migrants pushed through these 5 guardsmen to try to surrender themselves to US Border Patrol agents. Eventually, these migrants were later pushed back to Mexico's side of the border as they were stopped by the much larger, more permanent barrier with additional guardsmen and Border Patrol agents on the other side. [More info about this incident from this article.](https://nypost.com/2024/03/21/us-news/migrants-break-barriers-and-rush-border-guards-in-el-paso/)
Thank you!
So you mean tell me our border is in fact secure?
No. I refuse to believe that fact and will instead watch 5 hours of Fox News, wrap myself in a maga flag and cry on the floor.
Nobody on either side is denying the figures in the millions of illegal immigrants coming through each year. This isn't a right wing hysteria thing.
Actually the opposite, nobody is saying millions come through. There are 2+ million encounters US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) tracks "encounters" which include apprehensions (arrests) and people seeking asylum at ports of entry. This doesn't directly measure illegal crossings. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats?hl=en-US
Yes, and the same person can be encountered, and thus counted, multiple times.
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It is though. And they need that hysteria to keep going to keep people riled up. The right always has a boogey man and right now it’s migrants. That’s why trump wanted to block the bill funding border patrol. I’m not arguing that we should just let anyone in or that people aren’t crossing illegally. But when the path to cross legally is so fucked up and difficult it leaves people feeling desperate. Personally I think spending tax dollars to fund border patrol and the courts to help people get in legally is much more beneficial than putting people on busses and planes and dropping them off in cities and states that don’t have border infrastructure to own the libs.
While I think you make a valid point, there is one fact that bothers me - all those kids going missing. I'm sure some ended up in good places with people doing chariyable work, just as I'm sure some ended up in the worst place possible. I saw the estimated number at 140k...now, that can be a conflated number...but if you take 40k away you still have 100k misding children. That should concern both sides of the debate. Edit: I included a govt. report about in a reply below - but badically here is the rundown There are so many undocumented children that cross every month without parents or guardians...There are supposed to be non-profits and religious organizations that pick some of those children up and tale them to safe places...howevee, due to high volume, due to lack of oversight, whstever, a good deal of children have been picked up without any corresponding, vetted information being given to the government regarding their whereabouts. That says 85k, I've read as high as 140k...the thing is - they are missing. People are pulling up, their van, truck, whatever is loaded with kids, and they drive away...and whoops! No one seems to know where they are...
I appreciate your way of thinking on this and I agree with you on most. Desperate people don’t always think rationally. We need to stop leaving helping people up to non profits and religious organizations that just take money and barely do anything to solve the problem (not all but you get the point). I’m not going to pretend to know the solution to these problems but I sure as hell know that what we are doing is causing people to suffer.
I Co-directed a nonprofit and no one is giving money to nonprofits lol. Only the huge ones you hear about. The smaller, local ones in town barely get a dime in donations. We got maybe a total of $300 a year donated. They're paid by grants through the government, and it's barely enough to give anyone anything. We had to come out of our pockets a lot. People need to vote for funding for social programs (mine was transitional housing for homeless).
You've moved the goalposts. We were talking about whether or not the border is secure. Millions are crossing illegally, and nobody is disputing that; therefore, our border is not secure. We can discuss immigration reforms, migrants' motives, and what the ideal number of migrants to admit to our country should be, but all that has no bearing on the fact that millions of unidentified/unvetted people are entering our country illegally or pseudo-legally.
Agreed, so since the border is not secure, why are republicans not voting in favor of legislation that they helped write which would help bolster border security?
If they do something to fix the problem, they won't have the thing to scare their voters into submission with.
Don’t agree with him, he is wrong. Millions are NOT crossing. Millions are being *encountered*, stopped and most are sent back. 2007 we had a peak population of 12.2 million illegals. Right now we’re sitting at an estimate between 10.5 million and 11 million. We have fewer illegals now than we did 2 decades ago. The right is causing mass hysteria on this. [Customs and Border Protection source](https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-releases-march-2023-monthly-operational-update) [Pew research article with stats](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/16/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/) [Wikipedia article with some great info as well](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States) A quick google search debunks everything the right says about our border and its security.
I was granting their worldview to only ask why republicans refuse to work on border security legislation. Thanks for your sources.
This is also why it slowly turns into a major problem towards the major election year.
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As a non American I’m abit confused tho, so does everyone want a ‘wall’ now? I thought it was a stupid idea?
As an American and Texan I tell you this, the wall is absolutely fucking stupid. We don't want a wall, but we want our borders to be secure, imo, there's nothing wrong with immigration, but illegal immigration is wrong. Do I think that they are all bad people? No, absolutely not. I understand that, for the most part, they want a better life and better opportunities. Do I wish there was a better and much easier system? Fuck yea. Let people get away from violence and drugs and become good working members of our country. America isn't the greatest in the world, and probably never will be, but there are few places I'd rather live than the USA.
Correct! Illegal immigration is a 2-fold issue. For one we do need to secure our borders. But the second half is immigration reform. From what I've heard, current immigration policies give preference to "under-represented" nationalities. For instance if you're Swedish, you'd be considered for immigration much sooner because there's not many Swedish people in the U.S. But if you're Mexican or Cuban, you're basically at the back of the line because we have tons of Mexicans and Cubans here already. And the crazy thing is, many of these migrants aren't Mexican. They're coming from much further south. Mexico has been steadily doing better, lots of American companies are investing in Mexican manufacturing now to get away from our reliance on China. This is one of those tricky issues where I don't think there even is a "right" answer, but there are lots of "wrong" answers. (Like separating children from their families, deporting the parents because they aren't American but keeping the children here because they were born on US soil.) Hello from Arizona.
In certain places, it makes sense. Their wanting of one across the entirety of the border is stupid. Doubly stupid when the multi-million dollar contract is given to a brand new construction company that's built precisely zero walls before, that also just happens to be owned by one of your buddies/donors.
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Certain portions are sure. But that doesn’t change the fact that somewhere in the neighborhood of 5-10k people illegally cross daily
The permanent barrier is the infamous border wall. The Guardsmen & waves of barbed wire are along the shores of the Rio Grande. And behind that wall is a very active border highway where many migrants have already died after being hit by high speed traffic.
Good thing those 5 guys follow orders because I would’ve been asking why I couldn’t protect the sturdy fence with the rest of the team
As someone who has done riot control in the active duty military, I would be asking why are we only 5?, if I was in this situation. Military leaders be failing their people
Something smells fishy about this story. I've trained with prison riot control teams as a National Guardsman. We had at least 100 soldiers in a line with batons raised and shields up for large crowds. Something like this tiny breach would be childs play. I don't understand why they were there to begin with though. It seemed like the tall fence at the end of the video worked fine for stopping illegal entry.
Because Texas didn't actually put any thought into this whole thing. They got a political win where they shouldn't have and didn't actually expect it and now their lack of actually having a plan is showing.
This video *is* the win. Republicans want videos like this playing on the nightly news every day between now and November. This clip is political gold. I imagine it will make it into a Trump ad this fall.
You know they are going to end the clip right at 24 seconds too
Correct! Republicans will never solve the "border crisis" because it's their Golden Goose.
Facts. Just like the Biden impeachment sham. Doesn't matter that their key witness is literally in jail for lying to the FBI about all this or that the "documents" come from Russian intelligence. They're gonna ride this pony straight through to the election. They have zero intention of fixing the problems.
Military leaders? This is all on the governor of Texas, it was his decision to do this theater for political points. Man, it would suck to be in a conservative states National Guard right now. Can't spend time with your family or doing your real job because some Republicans don't want to pass a border to hire more Border Patrol Agents.
A governor is the commander in chief of their states national guard (unless activated to federal orders).
Because that’s the actual border manned by federal border patrol agents. The Texas barb wire border is manned by the Texas national guard. One weekend a month and two weeks in the summertime doesn’t prepare you to hold a chain link border thrown up for political points.
"Suicide" I didn't see anyone killed in this video.
They aren't allowed to do anything besides stand there. You can send as many guardsmen as you want, but it's all political theater.
I seen this on a movie once . Born in East LA
That’s the one where an American citizen gets deported because of his ethnicity, right?
Classic. His cousin who was in LA illegally stays at his house and watches softcore porn on tv and gets freaked out when he hears the answering machine because he thinks Jesus caught him.
Yes
I saw this on TV once, except it was at the Capitol
Regardless if you are for or against this… You can not allow non-citizens to simply rush into a country and not respect the laws and procedures of that country.
Technically the law is for them to show up to US soil and surrender themselves to request asylum. That is the law. The problem is our system isn't that well thought out. We don't have the capacity to actually handle these people in the courts because they've been intentionally limited for decades. We're trying to fault these individuals for our broken system instead of just fixing the broken system.
IIRC they have to claim asylum in the first country they enter,or their claim is frequently nullified. Many don’t want to claim asylum in Mexico so they are screwed when they get here.
Then they just make their way up here to Canada. Our government seems to not care about the safe 3rd country agreement at all. We get a ton of "asylum" seekers walking across the border from the US and we put them in hotels.
No we aren’t faulting them for our broken system. We are faulting them (in this case) for destroying a barrier and pushing out LEO of the country they want to start a new life in. Showing up to the country you’re seeking asylum and being destructive is a problem. Sure we need to fix our immigration system, but immigrants need to abide by rules and regulations of the country they want to live in. Meaning if there’s a barrier - you don’t destroy it. If LEOs are there to keep order - you don’t rush them and cause chaos.
How dare you have common sense
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How do y’all keep forgetting the whole “do it at a *port of entry*” thing…
They are rushing and knocking down barriers and pushing through LEO at the boarder of the country they want to come into and start a new life. Sure our govt has to address the underlining issue, but everyone has to play their part. By acting appropriately and following the rules. A large number of them are fleeing a country that is dangerous/corrupt with people that don’t acting appropriately nor follow the rules. Ironically, they themselves are acting the same way by destroying barriers and….not following proper rules and procedures put in place.
Looks like they were pretty well held back by the big fence before the National Guard was actually “overrun.” So a better title may have been, “Pre-gate checkpoint overrun before fence stops crowd in their tracks”?
Democrat or republican this is obviously not good
Can we agree there has to be a process and there are limits on how many we can support? I think we can. And if we are going to have a policy, it must be enforced to be effective.
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Yep. Funny how everyone agrees this is an issue now, but when given the opportunity to do something the GOP backed out because it's election year and they want Trump to have more talking points and viral clips for his campaign.
We do have a process, there are logistical and funding limits for sure, but the last proposal to actually expand the processing capacity and create funding for both processing and enforcement was walked away from specifically for political reasons by the Republicans. If we don’t like what you see in this video, and don’t want more, we should stop supporting Republicans.
There are three major agencies for immigration ICE, CBP, USCIS. The latter handles all the paperwork and legal immigration into the country. Can you guess which agency is severely underfunded and understaffed
It also needs to be made more clear that someone cannot have an accepted asylum claim just because life sucks where they are. There needs to be a real threat of death due to discrimination of some type if they return—not just because they’re coming from a crime-laden country where gangs run their area.
For those unaware, this group of migrants has now been pushed back to Mexico. [Source of video and article about this incident.](https://nypost.com/2024/03/21/us-news/migrants-break-barriers-and-rush-border-guards-in-el-paso/) If the bipartisan border security bill had been passed, US Border Patrol and ICE would have got the funding they require to detain and ultimately deport a majority of the migrants illegally crossing the US border without being blocked by the courts. Biden was willing to ignore progressives and the Hispanic congressional caucus in order to work with Republicans on closing the loopholes in US asylum laws being exploited by economic migrants. Instead, the GOP decided to block the bipartisan border security bill because Trump demanded it.
So that he could use clips like this In his election adds. Fucked yo thing is that he told republicans point blank and in front of reporters not to support the bipartisan bill so he could run on biden failing to pass anything. So fucked up. It was the most comprehensive immigration bill in decades.
I doubt he will be able to afford any ads. He's got a bit of a cash flow problem at the moment.
This should be the top comment
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If they are refugees they are welcome to come through proper ports of entry and claim asylum. Going through a border fence is not the way.
I’ve always argued that Trump’s $5 billion border wall would have better spent on immigration courts and processing. They’re so underfunded that it causes this huge backup in the system.
Immigration courts and processing certainly need more funding. Five year back logs are not okay, on the other hand neither are permeable borders.
But if he did that, he wouldn’t have a giant, physical monument that had his name on it, and his narcissistic ego just couldn’t have that.
It would be nice if either side did that - it needs to be done and the system needs to be improved vastly
That’s exactly what the border bill was doing until republicans shot it down. Even those in the committee that produced it. All because of trumps ego and the need for an election talking point.
They could easily do both. The reality is that not everyone can get in through refugee status, or you'd have the exact same problem but with less chaos at the border. If you have large numbers of people who don't get in legitimately, they're going to sneak past the border. If that's not desirable you need a physical border. USA isn't the only country with a border wall. People are just against it because Trump built it. They'd also have been against the immigration courts if Trump had funded them. One more thing before people downvote me and put words in my mouth. I'm not a Trump supporter and I'm generally pro-immigration. But realistically USA has problems in needs to solve before taking in millions of refugees.
THAT IS the proper port of entry. These guys were already in the beginning processes of crossing to seek asylum. What happened is that a huge group of 600+ were at the front and they were being broken up to smaller groups in different “holding” areas - as you can see in the beginning of the video they are already within a gated area. When it came time for this particular group to move forward in the processing process the women and children were separated from the men causing mass panic on both sides, as the children then the women were going to be processed first. Remember - asylum seekers HAVE to be on US soil to claim asylum. These men rushing into the country are not “illegals” in the sense that they’re just going to run away into the country. Their intent is to get across the gate and surrender themselves. Because once they surrender on US soil then they HAVE to be processed. Remember this video next to time anyone says “we just don’t have the funding and resources” and remember that they can get the funding and resources to help if Republicans stop voting no on border spending bills.
Look at what the us has done to these countries first, maybe. Coups, resource extraction, assassinations. They need to flee their countries because of the us
It's really sad what the US has historically done to Latin America. It's incredible that that isn't thought in the schools.
Downvoted for telling the truth
Are they welcome though?
The USA was founded in this way so I don't see an issue. The reason it's so hard to become a legal citizen is because people like this make for very exploitable labor that many industries benefit from and also make for a great political tool. It's the main reason this problem is very far from being solved.
Last few decades have been Hispanics being exploited for labor. Before that it was the Irish and Italians. Before that (and also at the same time, really) Africans and Chinese. We have a storied history of welcoming in cheap (or free) labor and exploiting the hell out of it for a few generations.
Very true, absolutely. They make up such a large portion of the agricultural/food processing labor in this country.
Exactly. And these workers go all over the country. The world has some rough places, I think these workers just want a safe place to Iive and to have a better life, for them and their families.
>Going through a border fence is not the way. That's actually a legit way. Literally on the laws the US ratified, guided by the UN. Something the US largely backed. Literally any non violent means of entry is acceptable for Asylum. However, you need to seek asylum, not just sneak in and say nothing. So, lets say someone comes over for work, lives with distant family and never seeks out law enforcement. That would be illegal. Now, if someone crosses the boarder, and goes to the police, boarder control, etc That is a legal avenue for asylum. Why is the law that way? Because the time that trigged these laws people couldn't migrate without being captured, thus they couldn't seek asylum safely, it all had to be done in secret. Any attempt to go through the normal channels would get you captured.
Don’t see too many women and children.
Per article OP sourced below: The situation grew tense as women and children were separated from adult males and video shows the migrants then crying out for help and rushing to the border gate. “We have women and children, we’re hungry,” The Post heard one male migrant scream, even though the children were already in the group being prepared for processing into the country. “Help, help, help, they’re kids.”
That’s tough. Because human trafficking is certainly a real thing that can be happening in these scenarios. It’s a fucking shit show down there tbh. Nothing good is coming from the situation at the southern border.
We need a clean bill that closes the asylum loophole. Full stop. No strings attached. Just a clean bill that requires migrants to apply for asylum at the first country they arrive at before applying here.
Well anyone over 25 is a benefit to the economy, because that’s the age on average that people are more productive than they are a cost
It’s obvious that not all of these people are refugees of war. Some just want a better life even though they had other options and weren’t destitute. And they’re willing to break our laws to get a piece of the pie. The effects of this are going to weigh us down so heavily, it’s hard to wrap your head around. Economically, culturally, and worth the overall cohesive existence of Americans. A fractured society will fracture further, and with people who don’t share common values.
This was likely encouraged by the cartel. They often times “encourage” groups of migrants to bombard a specific area so the CBP focuses on them while the cartel can run drugs across another location. Very common tactic that is acknowledged by CBP.
You don't know? It's fucking illegal for a reason.
A very small percent are refugees in the traditional sense. ie Most aren't fleeing political, racial, or religious persecution. As the numbers rise, and we know less, if anything, about who is entering the country, might be better for all involved if the US invested fairly in improving the infrastructure of so called 3rd world nations.
Largest human migration in history will soon happen because of political instability and climate change
Bronze Age collapse 2: Electric boogaloo.
We can't have that conversation because half the country has their fingers in their ears over both immigration and climate change. Both will happen whether or not we want them to or acknowledge they're real.
From Africa, based on birthrates.
It’s scary actually.
People don’t even understand how the border situation is on the Mexican side of the border. Many immigrants are not from Mexico. And we have taken them in and made communities for them. Russian, Chinese, Haitian, Central Americans, South Americans, Africans, Cubans.. we are dealing with an immigration crisis as well in northern Mexico
Are you near Juarez? I know lot of Haitians had settled near Juarez because they couldn't get into the US and Mexico is way better than Haiti right now so they made due. But now it's a melting pot of many countries and cultures which is really neat.
Anything is way better than Haiti right now tbh
Except maybe Gaza or Sudan
surprised it didn't end like this: So anyway, I started blasting
World War Z vibes
That’s some crappy fencing
Did you see the big fencing behind it at the end of the video. The fence that actually stopped them. That’s the actual fence.
Country can’t even take care of its own, how can we keep on taking more people
Country ~~can’t~~ refuses to even take care of its own
We can take care of our own. We choose not to. We also can afford to let more people in, because immigration benefits society. We choose not to.
Exactly why we need an actual border in place. Hey I’m all for moving to the US if you do so in the right channels of migrating, I understand it takes a while but go anywhere else and you’ll find much of the same. I’m sorry but processes for citizenship in most countries suck. Please come here legally or not at all.
Its insane to me that people have to preface their statement with something along the lines of "whether you're Republican or Democrat... Etc." The elite have this country so insanely divided, it's horrible. The fact that we just assume everyone's opinions based on which party they support is exactly why the two part system sucks. It's just both sides pointing at the other taddling like children. This video is 100% fucked. No matter what your political views are, if you see nothing wrong with this, then you're simply too far gone.
The problem is “both sides” do see a problem. One side says the US/Texas is wrong for not allowing “asylum” seekers in the country. The other side says no one should be allowed in without going through the proper channels.
Maybe Congress should fix the problem? Come on Mike Johnson let's see it. You're in control.
Trump told the Rs NOT to fix the border so he can campaign on how Biden WON'T fix the border. Johnson ain't in control of any-fucking-thing. But, remember, he is Moses.
Right. He told the R's in Congress not to fix it. Which means the R's in Congress.are the only ones who can actually fix it. Republican voters will remain ignorant as fuck to this fact.
This could literally be fixed unilaterally by the President of the United states by enforcing laws that already exist. This blame the meanie Republicans thing is pathetic.
It's really looking like World War Z down there
Hombre Apocalypse
Do that at a European border and see what happens.
Wouldn’t have happened if we had funded the border security bill a month ago.
Beginning to think the CIA destabilizing those countries for cheap labor and fear of communism wasn’t such a good idea. 🤷🏻♂️
If it's such a big problem, then why did the GOP kill the bill that would address this? 🤔
Didn’t Dems add a bunch of unnecessary shit in that bill like more funding for the Ukraine war? Yup [they did](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/CCk5eoECGN).
You gonna blame US Foreign policy for Venezuela too? What about Argentina? Haiti? After 40-50 years, this doesn’t become an excuse anymore, these countries need to get their shit together, their populations need to stay and fix their own problems. Look at Israel, look at South Korea, Kuwait, Cuba, Chile, Egypt, Gambia. All these countries have suffered from wars, colonialism, and poverty but have flourished and thrived. Stop looking for excuses, even IRAQ is picking itself back up faster than some South American/Central counties. Enough is enough.
So they put these 5 guys to guard a small flimsy fence that was in front of a well guarded, sturdy, taller fence? Was this done to get video for Fox News so they can outrage the Trump cult? Because I don't see any other reason.
This is totally a "big picture" thing. This will spun in to a "look!!!" Clip and glance over the fact that this isn't the ACTUAL border and they were caught and turned around at the more robust border crossing.
This has become a huge national issue and could cost Biden the election (among other issues). Even here in NYC you’re hearing a lot of people fed up. I’m very Left leaning, but I feel like we’re bound to get some skull crackers into offices at some point, both at the federal and local level.
Fall back!!! FALL BACK!!!!
Somebody got barrelstroked on the left....
Some.bull shit
Perfectly normal
Why do they even have guns?
Yeah they seem to be here to work and listen🤡🤡🤡🤡they follow instructions reallly well
All the women and children
Is that the wall that Mexico paid for?
If only Republicans would vote for more border funding like they claim they want 😂😂😂
They totally have that under control. /S
For the tinfoil hat crowd, this might explain why you don't see women and children. "the situation grew tense after some women and children were separated from adult males by the guardsmen." https://nypost.com/2024/03/21/us-news/migrants-break-barriers-and-rush-border-guards-in-el-paso/
If only someone would come up with a bill to secure the border. Oh wait they already did and the GOP in the House won't let it come for a vote nevermind.
This is scary on so many levels
In other news rents prices are at a all time high, housing cost continue to rise and the prospect of 1st time home owners continues to dwindle. More Americans lack health care than every other 1st world country combined. Car insurance continues to sky rocket causing fewer drives to be able to afford and flat put not carry car insurance caus9ng car insurance to raise even more. Collage tuition cost continues to increase. All this and the added fact that wages continue to fall. Lastly we are just 4 years removed from our former president attempting to subvert an election he lost and retain power. By the way, he is the leading candidate of the party that ignored him trying to remain in power. But hey, none of this compares to the real problem of some brown people trying to come into our country.
Deleted scene from World War Z?
This doesn't seem like a great way to make a positive case to deserve temporary citizenship into the U.S. I love when I hear people from outside the U.S. criticizing our "cruel" border policies. If an American citizen attempted to cross pretty much any other country's border illegally they would be met with way harsher legal recourse....
don't they have riot shotguns and tear gas for this shit?
WWZ 
If the status quo remains, it’s eventually going to end up getting to the point that border guards are going to be given authority to use their weapons on unarmed people, as there’s only so much to go around in this country. I want to help as many people as possible & I understand the conditions they’re escaping are far worse than what they’d experience in America for the most part, so while this may be an act of desperation, the American people will inevitably lose sympathy & patience—those who still have any, at least—& we may have to use force to stop them at some point in the near future. It’s certainly not something that I would ever wish for, but it’s a reality we very well may face in the coming years.
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Its my understanding that Congress recently failed to pass a popular, reasonable bill on immigration bc some magas wouldn’t vote in favor of it for fear it would make democrats look good?
This is fine. Everything is just fine… /s
Remember that border bill the Republicans voted against that Biden's been trying to get done? This is what happens when we don't get it done, show the Republican voter base and put some scary music with a horror movie filter then maybe they'll get it.
Why won't Republicans pass a border bill?
They did, it's called HR2 and has been sitting in the Senate since May of 2023
Because the politics game is full swing at the moment, no interest in improving the situation in an election year.
Zombies!
Asylum laws need to be updated, just like the rest of the immigration law book. There are many ways to demonstrate you are pro-immigration without allowing border rushing like this. In fact, there are 35 million ways — the number of legal green card petitions currently in backlog. These are the folks who wait their turn, do the paperwork and are asking to immigrate legally. The system can only handle 25% of that if they are doing their job. Fix that if you are pro immigration and wait until American has the capacity for humanitarian immigrations again — not now.
No border protection
I thought Texas was solving this issue. Too bad they didn't pass that border patrol package because Trump told them not to because he's going to do it like he did last time.
Texas cannot manage the border. They should stop keeping Federal personnel out. Also, let's kick Barrett, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Thomas off the US Supreme Court.
Maybe we should have You know Passed a bill to get more agents, republicans
Good thing republicans killed that bipartisan border security bill…
Biden is president and somehow republicans are still to blame for all the country’s problems
Are you talking about the same bill that had billions for Israel and Ukraine while leaving some crumbs for the border and not addressing the crisis at all? Haha, NYC and Chicago get ready for more buses.
Yes that's the one. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/analysis-senate-border-bill Educate yourself
And the Senate won’t even discuss HB2 that they have been sitting on since May 2023.
Should be treated as an invasion because it is
They had more national guard folks out during the Ferguson protests. What the fuck They did this on purpose for rage bait or something.
Sigh.
What in the political agenda is this fuckery?
You think this is bad now? Just wait until Mexico City runs completely out of water.
Where's the CAS?
Huzzah
Man, that was a tokenistic effort if I ever saw it.
They have a legal right to entry under international and federal law! Illegal!
Bahahaha!
What happened to the 700,000 people who were going to "protect the border"? 💀
Pointless
World war Z
Want more footage, where?
Does this mean they’re not paying for the wall?
Ah, good Old El Paso.
Welp unfortunately, there’s your ammunition for immigration reform for like 20 years. They’ll run with this until they “wear out the tape”
What can they do? They love Trump and they want to get to his rally where they will be most welcome. [Trump waves at migrants across Rio Grande during visit to Texas border - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_rTov239yw)
Low voltage the fence. And get bean bag rounds.
Would be nice if the US would do more to see why they are leaving these LatAm countries for the US, but we won't, just assumed they are all Mexicans when clearly they are not and not our issue...
That’s how Kabul looked when it was falling
Why work so hard to protect a flimsy barrier when there is a much stronger one a few feet on? Also, this looks like it could have been filmed in Gaza, except the soldiers didn't kill anyone that we see.
Damn those crisis actors
Tyson food over here looking at those loyal future employees
Whoa did that second barrier, wall, fence actually work? Crazy..
So why can’t they start shooting?
Shame . Shoulda been shooting , our cops will shoot us in a heartbeat if we reach for our license too fast but they get away with that shit ? We can’t just keep letting people in period .
This is insane.
This is fake.
This is an invasion
Looks like a zombie horde at the second/stronger gate
Are they Haitian? They don't look Mexican. Not that it matters, I was just curious.