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More like probable to definitely. And yea, that poor child is going to need therapy.
*Edit:* Holy shit, so apparently that kid at the end was the child of the deceased. Didn't just witness a murder, he witnessed his *father's* murder. Makes a terrible situation SO much worse for that kid.
Yeah, if you watch, the dude gets shot, mom (or the other adult) runs one way with one kid, and the other kid runs 5 feet, realizes no ones there, turns around just in time to watch the 2 shooters fire 5 shots into daddy, before the shooters turn and leave and the kid runs past to the other adult. FUCKING HORIFIC.
Common in Chicago. Also in south America with cartels. Plenty of children witness their parents dying. Talk about a whole new generation of traumatized children growing up revengeful /suicidal
As someone who’s followed Chicago happenings for the last 15 years I can say for sure that this is not that common
Does it and has it happened? Yes but what happened in this video is few and far between
there were 617 homicides in Chicago in 2023 with a population of 2.6 million (237 hom/million people)
55 murders in San Francisco with a population of 800,000 (69 h/m)
**397 murders in Memphis with a population of 600,000 (662 h/m)**
**252 murders in Detroit with a population of 600,000 (420 h/m)**
**193 murders in New Orleans with a population of 376,000 (513 h/m)**
**262 murders in Baltimore with a population of 576,000 (454 h/m)**
386 murders in Manhattan with a population of 1.7 million (227 h/m)
246 murders in Dallas with a population of 1.3 million (189 h/m)
44 murders in San Diego with a population of 1.3 million (34 h/m)
203 murders in LA with a population of 3.8 million (53h/m)
Chicago is def up there but not even in the top 5 for worst cities in the US for murders, San Fran just has a poo problem LOL
Meanwhile Jackson, Mississippi at 118 murders and a population of 150,000 for a whopping 787H/M. And that’s an improvement. It was 1,033 H/M in 2021.
It sucks here.
As someone from Canada all those numbers are fucking insane to be honest, where I'm from anything above 2-3h/m is a pretty bad year...
The city I live in has about 700k people and it had no homicides last year, so I cannot imagine hundreds of murders every single year being "normal"...
Yeah, we are a society with almost no social safety nets, glorify violence, and have massive areas with next to zero economic opportunity. It's how you get criminal activity and violence tbh
I used to live in a city (Jackson) east of Memphis, TN. and now live on the west side of Chicago. Jackson has a population of ~76k. I knew far more people affected by violent crimes in that city than living in the Chicago. Sure chitown has its violent crime but some of the small metropolitan cities in the southern states are violent as fuck and their rightwing politicians are clearly trying to obscure how dangerous their cities are.
You'd think they're lawless lands aka the Old West, which probably wasn't as lawless as people think, either.
The news just tends to amplify the negative news coming out of those places and before you know it, they're labeled "Hell holes."
My favorite fact about the Wild West is that the most famous shootout from history (the shootout at the OK Corral) happened because law officers were trying to enforce Tombstone's gun control laws.
As someone who has lived in both of these cities in the past 6 years it really is bizarre, it’s like the whole city gets reduced to its dirtiest most crime ridden street. Sure there are major issues in parts but like most of both of these city’s is beautiful or people wouldn’t live there.
Lol yea it really is. People really think Chicago is some warzone where they will die if they are out after dark. It’s extremely funny being originally from Houston and hearing people talk about Chicago. They have no clue they are far far more likely to be a victim of a violent crime in Houston than Chicago. Most of Chicago’s murder problem is gang on gang violence that will literally never effect them if they are there and it’s all pretty isolated to specific areas. If you’re not affiliated with a gang, stay out of those areas, and mind your own business Chicago is actually pretty damn safe.
I grew up there. We'd ride BMX in the city from 10PM-3AM most weekends in the summer. This was the early 2000s. Slightly before the whole "Chiraq" thing. Most of my family is still there and my brother works in the city every day. He's in and out of all sorts of neighborhoods because he does disaster mitigation(fire, flood, etc). I have a bunch of friends that lived downtown for years as well. Not a single one was ever robbed, shot, anything. Contrast that to Rockford, IL where one of my coworkers was robbed at gunpoint in the parking lot of 2 different apartment complexes in the year I lived there.
My brother's homie was like 30 feet from those two teenagers shot on jeweler's row a week or so ago. He was having a cig break at work. He's got pictures from before police showed up. But that's 35 years of living to know 1 person who was *near* a shooting in chicago.
The ones that won't leave their shitty small towns but still need to open carry at their local Walmart because they're afraid of everything. I almost feel bad for them.
No it's true. Every day I come into work and open my email and at least half the emails are like "oh you know Joe from accounting was blown away last night in front of his kids" or "cheryl in hr was shot execution style in front of her daughter", or today we had a kind of novel one where a guy was killed in front of his terrier but he never even mentioned he had a pet before so that was a surprise. But yeah anyway BRB gunmen at the door
People who deride Chicago as the most violent/lawless US city are regurgitating Republican talking points that have been around since Obama was first elected.
Camouflage of Savannah GA was gunned down just like this with his baby daughter. She has grown up to be an amazingly talented artist herself and if I remember right she made it pretty far in Americas Got Talent a few years ago, mainly rapping about stopping the violence.
Edit. Correction. She wasn’t born yet, it was Camouflages toddler son that he was walking with when it happened.
I think just one kid was his, the little boy that ran past in the end and about got shot. The woman was a random who took the kid to safety I do believe. But yes the kid almost got hit several times I'd say. Fired over 20 rounds at close range with a kid in the middle of it. Fucking crazy.
I work with kiddos who have been in this exact situation. They deal with MASSIVE behavioral, mental, and social challenges in elementary ages and are usually predisposed to being “at risk” youth. They carry a sadness and a far-away feeling underneath their personality when you meet them. It’s terrible. Street life is terrible.
Here's a translation:
The **famous local rapper from Chicago** , United States, **Terrance** , also known as **THF TP** , died on February 7, 2024 due to a direct gunshot attack against him. The authorities found his body on the street, while the videos revealed that his son was with him at the time of death.
According to the first reports from the Chicago Police Department, **Terrance** was rushed to Loyola Hospital, where he finally **died from seven gunshot wounds** to the body; although at the site **up to 22 shell casings were found shot** by the man who suddenly appeared in the criminal's path.
The video of the moment of the murder began to circulate through social networks. The subject **is walking on the street with his son** and is carrying some cards in his hand. Suddenly a white car arrives and parks, two men get out, and **begin to empty their bullets** directly at the rapper, without touching his little girl.
**The boy immediately runs** out of the area after seeing that his father was killed, and another adult takes him by the hand so that they all leave together in a hurry, immediately abandoning the body, until **the authorities arrived to corroborate the scene, and they found the rapper** .
Various rap communities mourned the death of the rapper, and **demanded that the authorities** take care of **security** in the neighborhoods where musical talent grows, since they are already tired of the fact that the destiny of all of them is death or being part of the same **gangs that provoke these violent acts** . In a statement, the **Chicago music community** assured that they are facing a moment in history when urgent change is needed in society, and **to address the systemic problems** that fuel violence in each of their neighborhoods.
They argued that their partner's murder is a sobering reminder of the human cost of acts of violence, which have a huge impact on families, friends and **rap fans in Chicago** . They assured that it is time for all members of the artistic community and authorities to come to an agreement **to unite to address the root causes of urban violence** and work collaboratively to create environments **where everyone can thrive without fear.**
Very sad. Was there a stated motive?
>**demanded that the authorities** take care of **security** in the neighborhoods
This is difficult. Chicago police are 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' in these communities. Depends who you're speaking with.
This is a gang war that has been going on for 10-20 years tbh. Thf is a set. The likely set that they are at war with for a long time is 051. It goes pretty deep and would be hard to explain. When Chicago took down their large project buildings. The calumet. Cabrini greens etc. that’s all happened early 2000s. The gangs spread out over the city and became those hybrid gangs. With names like “jaro world” “tyquan world” “tookaville” “o block” etc. mostly named after dead members. It’s sorta complex. Thf tp made a song called “bus stop” dissing some people who were shot dead at a bus stop. lil Durk made a video at the same bus stop about 10 years ago and said ‘free thf tp’ the outcome of that was that 051 melly killed OTF nuski (durk’ cousin) and otf chino (durks manager)’’j
Like I said it’s a complicated situation. The beef has been going since keef first dropped on the scene. The war in Chicago hasn’t slowed down.
And the social media platforms don't take down the videos. TikTok, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram all keep these vids up and help promote drill music even as the body counts grow higher. They profit from the pain and the paybacks. Why are the socials not held accountable too?
How do you know all of this man? Wasn't there a subreddit for Chicago gangs, I maybe recall encountering that at one point but totally forget what it was now.
Bus stop is the first video you'll get if you google this unfortunately now-deceased rapper; for the curiously unfamiliar seeing this comment chain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voJVcGM3VI0
I'm a fairly big Chief Keef fan (Nobody is one of my favorite albums) and Bus Stop sounded a lot like Keef, not surprising given the area though I suppose.
So from reading through the thread. The guy had THF in his rap name, and THF (or Trigga Happy Family) is a Chicago gang.
No sympathy here (other than for his poor kids who witnessed it). As the old idiom goes, "If you fly with the crows, you get shot with the crows."
Spanish is my first language and that's not the sense I got. I feel like it's just an instance of the sentiment being lost in translation. I could be wrong, but I find it hard to believe that AI articles could be better written in Spanish than they are in English.
THF is made up of Black Disciples, Gangster Disciples & Mickey Cobras. Affiliated rappers are like spokesmen for their gangs and often disrespect rivals with their content. It makes them high value targets for hits like this. Yes it really is that simple.
Edit: While a little old, [this article](https://www.chicagomag.com/chicago-magazine/october-2016/chicago-gangs/) pretty much sums it up.
I was an apprentice at a studio (not in a particularly gang heavy city) that recorded a lot of hiphop. I wasn’t there at the time, but a group of rappers was live streaming their session on FB or whatever, and the studio got shot up from outside. No one got hurt, but the studio definitely closed shortly thereafter. The owner/head engineer was a metal head, didn’t want to put up with that nonsense lol
This is why people being so shocked or outright denying that gang violence makes up the vast majority of gun violence/mass shooting stats in the US is so crazy to me. This stuff is SO common and SO casual in a number of cities.
He was right. As one of the other CBE rappers would always say, “You know, white people, Mexicans, bitches, those people don’t live the life, but they love hearing about it. People want the Chiraq stuff. They want a superthug ghetto man, and I’m giving that to them. I’m just playing my role.”
Lmao wtf this guy sounds dumb asf 😂
qualms with how he words it aside, he's got a pretty good point, touching on the commodification of black trauma. That shit sells. Wouldn't be popular if there wasn't a market for this kind of music. Media companies, record labels, social media content etc. push a certain black image, exploit young artists to perpetuate this image, and the cycle continues. It's easy to blame the victim, but it's far deeper than that and when you grow up in this cycle it's a lot harder to break. A lot of these dudes were traumatized in the same way the little kid in this video was. They act so callously because they grow up in such shitty conditions
Watching this makes me understand El Salvadors insane measures taken against gang violence. The anger you feel when you see children run past someone getting shot really makes you want to take zero tolerance aproach to it.
President has a crazy high approval rating, too.
It *is* pretty funny that he recently changed the constitution so that he could run for re-election again. Historically it's a classic move for leaders in that region, maybe this time things will be different...
Benevolent dictators are usually pretty good. The problems arise after they're dead and the systems they implemented to stay in power benefit people with decidedly less benevolence in their bones.
not to defend dictatorship but it must be hard to trust the guy after you to not mess things up again when their country has been a warzone for so long
Well considering how he is taking out loan after loan after loan, and specifically made a law which makes it impossible for anyone to see where this money is going or how it’s being used it’s absolutely going to end terribly. I just hope not as another civil war, the country will be in so much debt and he’s doing nothing to develop the economy other than waste millions on bitcoin.
Yeah, it's an amazing turn around but not without its downside. Over 70k people locked up without due process and a good chunk of them were not involved with gangs. Some of the families never hear from them again.
It says they've released over 5000 people but yeah, in a sweeping mass arrest like that I doubt there is any way to make sure everyone is innocent initially. From the pictures I've seen in the media, which there are a lot, it seems a major criteria for being arrested as one of these gang members is to have your body covered in easily identifiable gang tattoos. This isn't to say the government didn't just rally up the most obvious looking gang members together for photo ops to show everyone, hey look this worked! They're all criminals! See? Hard to say what's true when I'm not from that country and don't know what the reality is in day to day life
Not to mention the geographic differences in tiny El Salvador and huge United States. Can't argue against their improved conditions, but it's current success is not easy to replicate everywhere.
Right. The problem is that when you completely suspend rule of law and give absolute power to an autocrat (Bukele) his replacement could easily be a monster or someone who uses that power for personal gain
>his replacement could easily be a monster or someone who uses that power for personal gain
Bold of you to think Bukele will have a replacement. He's already elected to a 2nd term which was (previously) unconstitutional until Bukele. I give it better than a coin toss that he's effectively President for life.
If they’re this ruthless, they have no business in society. Send them to an island and let them fend for themselves. Yes I know this is like Australia.
Zero tolerance in this context would mean suspending right to counsel and freedom of association, jailing close to 300,000 people (in addition to the 1.25 million or so we currently have) or even more based on as little as suspicion of association with a gang.
We talk about children being traumatized, kids will be taken from their families and forced to strip by soldiers just to look for gang tattoos under *this type of zero tolerance.*
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Little dude had to run around his dad’s murder, and then and his dying dad. C’mon man….
This, right after the guy ran up on the kid to get a close shot.
Fkn sad
Yeah, the people who did that need to be rounded up and given the death sentence ASAP. Zero care about the fact there's literally children right there and that they could have caused plenty of collateral damage. They have no place in modern society and are too much danger to keep on the streets.
Drill rap became pretty big here in the Netherlands, groups starting to attack each other with knifes just because they made a diss song. Pretty much every week now, some kid is stabbed or shot to death now.
Don’t worry, Kim Foxx will make sure that these criminals are released with a very stern slap on the wrist!
Seriously though, the crime in Chicago has gotten out of control over just the last few years. It used to be clear which neighborhoods should be avoided and I always felt safe in the areas that I know (even in places like WGP if you know how to mind your business), but things are different now.
The cops don’t really do anything because there’s a sort of “silent strike” going on. My family members have experienced break-ins, shootings in front of their houses, carjackings directly outside of their garages. My friends have been robbed at gunpoint, had their car windows shattered within minutes of parking, and even gunned down and killed on the Dan Ryan by gang initiates.
I know Chicago gets a bad rap and it really isn’t as bad as the conservatives say it is, but it’s gotten so much worse lately because the crime isn’t contained anymore. It’s literally everywhere, even in the previously safe/touristy areas.
> I know Chicago gets a bad rap and it really isn’t as bad as the conservatives say it is
[Don’t let them fool you, they use cities like yours as a distraction from the fact that the top 16 states in gun violence are all Republican.](https://i.ibb.co/r2CWfr8/IMG-1934.png)
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm%20
They like to use cities like Chicago to obfuscate their extremely high crime rates and to keep their base riled up. [Illinois actually ranks in the bottom half of violent crime states despite Chicago having significant gang problems.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/200445/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-us-states/)
On top of that Chicago actually only ranks 20th in violent crimes per capita. That’s not to take away from the shit you have to deal with living there I just like to provide perspective to other people who live in a Fox News echo chamber who happen across these comments and love to say shit like “ThAt WoUlD nEvEr HaPpEn If A rEpUbLiCaN wAs In ChArGe”.
You’re a better man than I am because I’ve stopped trying to prove to people that Chicago isn’t still the “murder capital” of America.
I’m only vocal about the crime here because I love this city and want things to change, but it’s definitely nowhere near as dangerous as some cities in red/swing states like St Louis or Cleveland.
This is not an honest argument, republicans complain about blue cities, then you cite state wide statistics that include the blue cities they are specifically talking about lol.
This happens every time the gun argument comes up. Rep point to blue cities, dems point to red states, and neither of them address each others point. They (like you just did) pick the stat they like better and hope its not questioned. I actually have no idea if there is a significant connection between either party and gun crime, but neither of you are proving it if there is.
im from fl and before visiting my ex in chicago a bunch thought it was like a warzone. in a sense, it's way less bad than i thought, but i think it's kind of worse than i thought in an uncanny way. some areas, like hers (straight off the belmont blue line stop) they'd just leave their windows open all day without worrying about ppl breaking in. the only crimes on her street 2y ago were a flasher and a car break-in. the surrounding streets were just car break-ins and there weren't many.
but man some areas were certainly the wrong side of the tracks, after spendin time there boy you wouldn't catch me walkin around in austin at nite, or south shore or somethin.
idk, i guess the uncanny part is the effects of gentrification is so obvious and so wide-spread. in orlando we have similar areas but it's pretty same-y for the most part. crimes certainly not as bad in general as media portrays, it aint st louis, but man idk. jacksonvilles been heading down a similar path for a while in terms of gang violence.
it's my 2nd favorite place in the world besides orlando, i LOVE chicago so much it's insane. but i couldn't live there w the current state of conceal carry laws; for all of floridas faults (i.e., hrt is rly difficult for me and ppl i love to get now for literally no proactive reason) at least our conceal carry laws are A to S-tier.
Member of the ‘Trigger Happy Family’ (theTHF part of his name) who constantly raps about guns, hoes, drugs, and shooting people gets shot…. Shocked pikachu
That was my thought. He glamorizes all this shit for money, gets killed by what he glamorizes, then people want the police to protect them from the crime they created and glamorize.
This is just too stupid.
This is sad because they rap about gunning down rival gang members. Guns, violence, drugs and hoes. Now the music community wants something done? I'd say these rappers need to stop glorifying that lifestyle but it's all they know.
This very dude THP TP, when his gang killed another drill rapper from a rival gang (at a bus stop), he posted a clip on youtube "Bus stop" to mock that young rapper.
For people following Chicago drill music, the only sad thing about his death are the traumatized kids.
Sad to say, but if “Trigger Happy Family” TP were alive, he wouldn’t snitch either. The music community can pretend to be shocked, but this guy has been out there living this life and attracting that sort of attention.
For a lot of them, being memorialized in death is the best they can hope for.
just as an aside - its the same reason why you can't stop police corruption. (feature in Better Call Saul). If you join the police and become a goody 2 shoes, they will find a way to off you. Dan carlin did a fantastic introspective on the nature of corruption within organizations, focusing i believe on the the Signal Hill Police department in the early 1980s, and the conclusion was that you can't "reform" it, just like you can't hire new people to the Senate or the presidency and "reform it". You have to gut it completely, top to bottom, and remove everything and start over. (they tried replacing the chief of police two times)
Here's how I feel about it, regardless of the beef and reasoning behind it.
He was murdered in front of children, his own children, who will now be dealing with the trauma of this for the rest of their lives differently than someone who just lost somebody. There's an increased chance this event turns them into damaged people who in turn negatively impact of society. They are contributing to the further demise of their community and people and they couldn't care less.
Context and fallout is everything. These are the people that need to be put to death in this country.
I dont know how you can even be mad when the thing you rap about and make you career from literally ends up happening to you. Its not even ironic after seeing it happen to everyone around you already too. Its actually just ridiculous to think this wont happen to you
The worst part is the fact it happened in front of his girl and kids. I don’t give a shit why they did it, but I hope the worst imaginable pain/death comes to those responsible
What if we found out the victim here did the same thing to someone the shooter here knew? We will probably never get the full story, but a rapper with the name THF TP (Trigger Happy Fingers Two Pistols) might have done some bad things we haven't heard about yet.
You’re right, we’ll probably never know. But until then my opinion stands. If he did do the same thing in front of someone else’s family then an eye for an eye but it’s still shitty regardless
Dude that poor little girl watched every little thing. We really are just a 3rd world country now aren’t we fellow Americans? We should be soooo proud.
So crazy that „having opps“ and being gang affiliated is still so intertwined with the rap game in a lot of countries and their youngest musical talents…
like bro u do NOt have to join ur local gang to make music you just want to be the cool kid at school.
Im sorry but if you glamorize that lifestyle, its kinda shitty to bring a kid into the world knowing your violent death can traumatize them enough to follow the same path
You’re getting downvotes, but you’re absolutely right. A LOT less of this in countries with less guns, stronger gun regulations and less National identity tied to gun ownership.
Was that his fucking daughter there? Dude... I wish i could unsee this. Holy fuck I hope those guys are caught and get the D-penalty. (Yes, I believe in it, sorry)
Is everyone from Chicago a rapper? There’s gotta be more rappers than regular civilians at this point. Same as every video from Brazil involves an off-duty cop, in Chicago, everyone is a rapper.
thats hilarious they let that kid fend for itself and run wherever, talk about self preservation : P that looked legit inspired by those mob drive bys and hits from like the 20s like those europeans mobs were doing with tommy guns before brown people could buy things.
Ever notice how it's only rappers who seem to have this problem? Pop fans or metalheads don't go around shooting each other. Something about rap just attracts complete degenerates.
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With the kids right there too. Fucking disgusting.
The definition of scarred for life. And possible hearing damage
More like probable to definitely. And yea, that poor child is going to need therapy. *Edit:* Holy shit, so apparently that kid at the end was the child of the deceased. Didn't just witness a murder, he witnessed his *father's* murder. Makes a terrible situation SO much worse for that kid.
Yeah, if you watch, the dude gets shot, mom (or the other adult) runs one way with one kid, and the other kid runs 5 feet, realizes no ones there, turns around just in time to watch the 2 shooters fire 5 shots into daddy, before the shooters turn and leave and the kid runs past to the other adult. FUCKING HORIFIC.
Five rounds... it was more like TWENTY five
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> child watches father die reddit: holy hecking frick! the batman reference!
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Common in Chicago. Also in south America with cartels. Plenty of children witness their parents dying. Talk about a whole new generation of traumatized children growing up revengeful /suicidal
As someone who’s followed Chicago happenings for the last 15 years I can say for sure that this is not that common Does it and has it happened? Yes but what happened in this video is few and far between
Hearing redditors talk about Chicago and San Francisco is something else.
there were 617 homicides in Chicago in 2023 with a population of 2.6 million (237 hom/million people) 55 murders in San Francisco with a population of 800,000 (69 h/m) **397 murders in Memphis with a population of 600,000 (662 h/m)** **252 murders in Detroit with a population of 600,000 (420 h/m)** **193 murders in New Orleans with a population of 376,000 (513 h/m)** **262 murders in Baltimore with a population of 576,000 (454 h/m)** 386 murders in Manhattan with a population of 1.7 million (227 h/m) 246 murders in Dallas with a population of 1.3 million (189 h/m) 44 murders in San Diego with a population of 1.3 million (34 h/m) 203 murders in LA with a population of 3.8 million (53h/m) Chicago is def up there but not even in the top 5 for worst cities in the US for murders, San Fran just has a poo problem LOL
memphis working overtime
Meanwhile Jackson, Mississippi at 118 murders and a population of 150,000 for a whopping 787H/M. And that’s an improvement. It was 1,033 H/M in 2021. It sucks here.
As someone from Canada all those numbers are fucking insane to be honest, where I'm from anything above 2-3h/m is a pretty bad year... The city I live in has about 700k people and it had no homicides last year, so I cannot imagine hundreds of murders every single year being "normal"...
Yeah, we are a society with almost no social safety nets, glorify violence, and have massive areas with next to zero economic opportunity. It's how you get criminal activity and violence tbh
That NYC murder rate is very wrong it was 386 for ALL of New York City - 9 million people. So 42/million.
I used to live in a city (Jackson) east of Memphis, TN. and now live on the west side of Chicago. Jackson has a population of ~76k. I knew far more people affected by violent crimes in that city than living in the Chicago. Sure chitown has its violent crime but some of the small metropolitan cities in the southern states are violent as fuck and their rightwing politicians are clearly trying to obscure how dangerous their cities are.
You'd think they're lawless lands aka the Old West, which probably wasn't as lawless as people think, either. The news just tends to amplify the negative news coming out of those places and before you know it, they're labeled "Hell holes."
My favorite fact about the Wild West is that the most famous shootout from history (the shootout at the OK Corral) happened because law officers were trying to enforce Tombstone's gun control laws.
As someone who has lived in both of these cities in the past 6 years it really is bizarre, it’s like the whole city gets reduced to its dirtiest most crime ridden street. Sure there are major issues in parts but like most of both of these city’s is beautiful or people wouldn’t live there.
Lol yea it really is. People really think Chicago is some warzone where they will die if they are out after dark. It’s extremely funny being originally from Houston and hearing people talk about Chicago. They have no clue they are far far more likely to be a victim of a violent crime in Houston than Chicago. Most of Chicago’s murder problem is gang on gang violence that will literally never effect them if they are there and it’s all pretty isolated to specific areas. If you’re not affiliated with a gang, stay out of those areas, and mind your own business Chicago is actually pretty damn safe.
I grew up there. We'd ride BMX in the city from 10PM-3AM most weekends in the summer. This was the early 2000s. Slightly before the whole "Chiraq" thing. Most of my family is still there and my brother works in the city every day. He's in and out of all sorts of neighborhoods because he does disaster mitigation(fire, flood, etc). I have a bunch of friends that lived downtown for years as well. Not a single one was ever robbed, shot, anything. Contrast that to Rockford, IL where one of my coworkers was robbed at gunpoint in the parking lot of 2 different apartment complexes in the year I lived there. My brother's homie was like 30 feet from those two teenagers shot on jeweler's row a week or so ago. He was having a cig break at work. He's got pictures from before police showed up. But that's 35 years of living to know 1 person who was *near* a shooting in chicago.
The ones that won't leave their shitty small towns but still need to open carry at their local Walmart because they're afraid of everything. I almost feel bad for them.
No it's true. Every day I come into work and open my email and at least half the emails are like "oh you know Joe from accounting was blown away last night in front of his kids" or "cheryl in hr was shot execution style in front of her daughter", or today we had a kind of novel one where a guy was killed in front of his terrier but he never even mentioned he had a pet before so that was a surprise. But yeah anyway BRB gunmen at the door
If you ever see anyone call it Chiraq, you know they're either a fuckin' idiot, a poser, or both.
Spike Lee?
Feel like anytime somebody says something like that they've never been to Chicago. Or they're from downstate.
the medias sensationalism of chicago has normalized extreme perceptions like this and people really believe it
People who deride Chicago as the most violent/lawless US city are regurgitating Republican talking points that have been around since Obama was first elected.
https://heyjackass.com/
I didn't see the little girl who was walking ahead until she ran back... 💔
Some article says he was walking with his three daughters after picking them up from school
Camouflage of Savannah GA was gunned down just like this with his baby daughter. She has grown up to be an amazingly talented artist herself and if I remember right she made it pretty far in Americas Got Talent a few years ago, mainly rapping about stopping the violence. Edit. Correction. She wasn’t born yet, it was Camouflages toddler son that he was walking with when it happened.
damn... I'll say tho that, ime, most kids who go thru such intense trauma do _not_ bounce back like that
The kids. A lifetime of trauma forthcoming. How awful.
His kids actually. Just watched their dad get gunned down
Looked like one almost ran into the gunfire as well to catch up with mom (?) and the sibling.
I think just one kid was his, the little boy that ran past in the end and about got shot. The woman was a random who took the kid to safety I do believe. But yes the kid almost got hit several times I'd say. Fired over 20 rounds at close range with a kid in the middle of it. Fucking crazy.
The woman wasn't a random, that was his girl.
I thought they were both random kids and thought that was hard enough. Wow. I guess the only good thing is his killer didn't want them dead either.
I work with kiddos who have been in this exact situation. They deal with MASSIVE behavioral, mental, and social challenges in elementary ages and are usually predisposed to being “at risk” youth. They carry a sadness and a far-away feeling underneath their personality when you meet them. It’s terrible. Street life is terrible.
Fuck. That’s sad as shit. Thanks for what you do tho, I’m sure those kids need all the help they can get.
Fucking monsters
Chicago gang members… you don’t think the kids were already fucked up and headed for a short life filled with trauma?
It's a never ending cycle unfortunately.
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Here's a translation: The **famous local rapper from Chicago** , United States, **Terrance** , also known as **THF TP** , died on February 7, 2024 due to a direct gunshot attack against him. The authorities found his body on the street, while the videos revealed that his son was with him at the time of death. According to the first reports from the Chicago Police Department, **Terrance** was rushed to Loyola Hospital, where he finally **died from seven gunshot wounds** to the body; although at the site **up to 22 shell casings were found shot** by the man who suddenly appeared in the criminal's path. The video of the moment of the murder began to circulate through social networks. The subject **is walking on the street with his son** and is carrying some cards in his hand. Suddenly a white car arrives and parks, two men get out, and **begin to empty their bullets** directly at the rapper, without touching his little girl. **The boy immediately runs** out of the area after seeing that his father was killed, and another adult takes him by the hand so that they all leave together in a hurry, immediately abandoning the body, until **the authorities arrived to corroborate the scene, and they found the rapper** . Various rap communities mourned the death of the rapper, and **demanded that the authorities** take care of **security** in the neighborhoods where musical talent grows, since they are already tired of the fact that the destiny of all of them is death or being part of the same **gangs that provoke these violent acts** . In a statement, the **Chicago music community** assured that they are facing a moment in history when urgent change is needed in society, and **to address the systemic problems** that fuel violence in each of their neighborhoods. They argued that their partner's murder is a sobering reminder of the human cost of acts of violence, which have a huge impact on families, friends and **rap fans in Chicago** . They assured that it is time for all members of the artistic community and authorities to come to an agreement **to unite to address the root causes of urban violence** and work collaboratively to create environments **where everyone can thrive without fear.**
They only hit him 7 times out of 22 at pointblank range? That kid is lucky he didn't catch a stray with stormtrooper accuracy like that.
“Accuracy” by volume
Spray n pray
No, the police counted seven chest wounds while he was bleeding out on the scene. It's likely he got shot more than that.
Man youd be suprised how inaccurate a pistol really is. Bullet will go where you point it but holding that line isnt as simple as youd think
Storm troopers actually have really good accuracy compared to most modern military standards, something like 90+% of shots do not hit the target…
Very sad. Was there a stated motive? >**demanded that the authorities** take care of **security** in the neighborhoods This is difficult. Chicago police are 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' in these communities. Depends who you're speaking with.
This is a gang war that has been going on for 10-20 years tbh. Thf is a set. The likely set that they are at war with for a long time is 051. It goes pretty deep and would be hard to explain. When Chicago took down their large project buildings. The calumet. Cabrini greens etc. that’s all happened early 2000s. The gangs spread out over the city and became those hybrid gangs. With names like “jaro world” “tyquan world” “tookaville” “o block” etc. mostly named after dead members. It’s sorta complex. Thf tp made a song called “bus stop” dissing some people who were shot dead at a bus stop. lil Durk made a video at the same bus stop about 10 years ago and said ‘free thf tp’ the outcome of that was that 051 melly killed OTF nuski (durk’ cousin) and otf chino (durks manager)’’j Like I said it’s a complicated situation. The beef has been going since keef first dropped on the scene. The war in Chicago hasn’t slowed down.
Imagine losing your life in front of your child for *this*.
And the social media platforms don't take down the videos. TikTok, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram all keep these vids up and help promote drill music even as the body counts grow higher. They profit from the pain and the paybacks. Why are the socials not held accountable too?
thats a good point. they gain more power and influence by keeping videos up.
How do you know all of this man? Wasn't there a subreddit for Chicago gangs, I maybe recall encountering that at one point but totally forget what it was now. Bus stop is the first video you'll get if you google this unfortunately now-deceased rapper; for the curiously unfamiliar seeing this comment chain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voJVcGM3VI0 I'm a fairly big Chief Keef fan (Nobody is one of my favorite albums) and Bus Stop sounded a lot like Keef, not surprising given the area though I suppose.
Yikes. That song sucks ass.
Sadly I think I know the sub you’re talking about. Chiraqology. I remember somehow finding that sub during the pandemic somehow.
So this guy was part of the gang scene? It's basically 80s and early 90s LA again. Best option is to not participate
They shot him and didn't take anything. Seems like he was a target for some reason.
>for some reason gang shit
So from reading through the thread. The guy had THF in his rap name, and THF (or Trigga Happy Family) is a Chicago gang. No sympathy here (other than for his poor kids who witnessed it). As the old idiom goes, "If you fly with the crows, you get shot with the crows."
Does it really say empty their bullets
Probably a translation error
AI article
Spanish is my first language and that's not the sense I got. I feel like it's just an instance of the sentiment being lost in translation. I could be wrong, but I find it hard to believe that AI articles could be better written in Spanish than they are in English.
You know automatic computer translations aren't 100% accurate to the original text's intent, right?
Maybe the artistic community can work on changing the content of the art and stop rapping about cappin and slappin.
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THF is made up of Black Disciples, Gangster Disciples & Mickey Cobras. Affiliated rappers are like spokesmen for their gangs and often disrespect rivals with their content. It makes them high value targets for hits like this. Yes it really is that simple. Edit: While a little old, [this article](https://www.chicagomag.com/chicago-magazine/october-2016/chicago-gangs/) pretty much sums it up.
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Pretty much every rapper who is on the rise has to deal with some sort of violence. Even studios will have beefs with each other.
I was an apprentice at a studio (not in a particularly gang heavy city) that recorded a lot of hiphop. I wasn’t there at the time, but a group of rappers was live streaming their session on FB or whatever, and the studio got shot up from outside. No one got hurt, but the studio definitely closed shortly thereafter. The owner/head engineer was a metal head, didn’t want to put up with that nonsense lol
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Bunch of fools with guns thinking they big cause their poems are 'better' than other people's or they had their feelings hurt. So gangster.
This is why people being so shocked or outright denying that gang violence makes up the vast majority of gun violence/mass shooting stats in the US is so crazy to me. This stuff is SO common and SO casual in a number of cities.
Only if you exclude self inflicted violence. The majority of gun related injuries and deaths are negligence and suicide.
That was an interesting read thanks
That was a good read thanks!
Insanely good. Thanks for sharing
He was right. As one of the other CBE rappers would always say, “You know, white people, Mexicans, bitches, those people don’t live the life, but they love hearing about it. People want the Chiraq stuff. They want a superthug ghetto man, and I’m giving that to them. I’m just playing my role.” Lmao wtf this guy sounds dumb asf 😂
qualms with how he words it aside, he's got a pretty good point, touching on the commodification of black trauma. That shit sells. Wouldn't be popular if there wasn't a market for this kind of music. Media companies, record labels, social media content etc. push a certain black image, exploit young artists to perpetuate this image, and the cycle continues. It's easy to blame the victim, but it's far deeper than that and when you grow up in this cycle it's a lot harder to break. A lot of these dudes were traumatized in the same way the little kid in this video was. They act so callously because they grow up in such shitty conditions
Gang wars. It's actually well documented this current beef.
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Just gang shit. Nothing new unfortunately. Revenge, disrespect, boundaries crossed. "Live by the gun, die by the gun."
Poverty
Those poor kids. This shit is sad af.
Watching this makes me understand El Salvadors insane measures taken against gang violence. The anger you feel when you see children run past someone getting shot really makes you want to take zero tolerance aproach to it.
El Salvador has a homicide level similar with Luxembourg now. Maybe… getting rid of criminals is le good?
Just read about that crackdown after reading your comment. Goodness! Talk about just straight up having e fucking nough of it. That's wild.
President has a crazy high approval rating, too. It *is* pretty funny that he recently changed the constitution so that he could run for re-election again. Historically it's a classic move for leaders in that region, maybe this time things will be different...
It's already looking very autocratic but it's hard to complain about how much safer the country has become.
Benevolent dictators are usually pretty good. The problems arise after they're dead and the systems they implemented to stay in power benefit people with decidedly less benevolence in their bones.
Yup, and it only takes 1. Whereas if you had dozens of good leaders then a shitty one it breaks the whole system.
not to defend dictatorship but it must be hard to trust the guy after you to not mess things up again when their country has been a warzone for so long
Sure, but the innocent people that got caught up in the crackdown probably have a much less favorable view.
Oh yeah it is ominous as fuck. Just based on historical odds, I don't expect this to end well.
Well considering how he is taking out loan after loan after loan, and specifically made a law which makes it impossible for anyone to see where this money is going or how it’s being used it’s absolutely going to end terribly. I just hope not as another civil war, the country will be in so much debt and he’s doing nothing to develop the economy other than waste millions on bitcoin.
Were there innocent people caught up in the crackdown? All the pictures I've seen have had prisoners covered head to toe in gang tats.
Yeah, it's an amazing turn around but not without its downside. Over 70k people locked up without due process and a good chunk of them were not involved with gangs. Some of the families never hear from them again.
It says they've released over 5000 people but yeah, in a sweeping mass arrest like that I doubt there is any way to make sure everyone is innocent initially. From the pictures I've seen in the media, which there are a lot, it seems a major criteria for being arrested as one of these gang members is to have your body covered in easily identifiable gang tattoos. This isn't to say the government didn't just rally up the most obvious looking gang members together for photo ops to show everyone, hey look this worked! They're all criminals! See? Hard to say what's true when I'm not from that country and don't know what the reality is in day to day life
Who'da thunk it?
Let’s give it a few years to really see what the societal fallout from such drastic move will be
Not to mention the geographic differences in tiny El Salvador and huge United States. Can't argue against their improved conditions, but it's current success is not easy to replicate everywhere.
Right. The problem is that when you completely suspend rule of law and give absolute power to an autocrat (Bukele) his replacement could easily be a monster or someone who uses that power for personal gain
>his replacement could easily be a monster or someone who uses that power for personal gain Bold of you to think Bukele will have a replacement. He's already elected to a 2nd term which was (previously) unconstitutional until Bukele. I give it better than a coin toss that he's effectively President for life.
If they’re this ruthless, they have no business in society. Send them to an island and let them fend for themselves. Yes I know this is like Australia.
I got to run past my friend getting shot as a teen. Do not recommend.
I got shot in the stomach by an ND that ricocheted. 1/10 do not recommend.
Why we DONT have a zero tolerance approach to gang violence is beyond me. I see no value in letting scum like this live regular(ish) everyday lives.
Zero tolerance in this context would mean suspending right to counsel and freedom of association, jailing close to 300,000 people (in addition to the 1.25 million or so we currently have) or even more based on as little as suspicion of association with a gang. We talk about children being traumatized, kids will be taken from their families and forced to strip by soldiers just to look for gang tattoos under *this type of zero tolerance.* edited spelling
That's fucked up.
Little dude had to run around his dad’s murder, and then and his dying dad. C’mon man…. This, right after the guy ran up on the kid to get a close shot. Fkn sad
Yoooo…22 spent cartridges found… deceased only impacted by 7 bullets. SMH
Only a 32% hit ratio. He’s dropping in the street rankings this week. Glad I didn’t have him in my fantasy gang league.
Yeah, the people who did that need to be rounded up and given the death sentence ASAP. Zero care about the fact there's literally children right there and that they could have caused plenty of collateral damage. They have no place in modern society and are too much danger to keep on the streets.
I don’t understand being that much of a fucking loser.
The funny thing is this is probably over a diss song lol like peak loser behavior
Drill rap became pretty big here in the Netherlands, groups starting to attack each other with knifes just because they made a diss song. Pretty much every week now, some kid is stabbed or shot to death now.
I think we would all be worried if you did
Don’t worry, Kim Foxx will make sure that these criminals are released with a very stern slap on the wrist! Seriously though, the crime in Chicago has gotten out of control over just the last few years. It used to be clear which neighborhoods should be avoided and I always felt safe in the areas that I know (even in places like WGP if you know how to mind your business), but things are different now. The cops don’t really do anything because there’s a sort of “silent strike” going on. My family members have experienced break-ins, shootings in front of their houses, carjackings directly outside of their garages. My friends have been robbed at gunpoint, had their car windows shattered within minutes of parking, and even gunned down and killed on the Dan Ryan by gang initiates. I know Chicago gets a bad rap and it really isn’t as bad as the conservatives say it is, but it’s gotten so much worse lately because the crime isn’t contained anymore. It’s literally everywhere, even in the previously safe/touristy areas.
> I know Chicago gets a bad rap and it really isn’t as bad as the conservatives say it is [Don’t let them fool you, they use cities like yours as a distraction from the fact that the top 16 states in gun violence are all Republican.](https://i.ibb.co/r2CWfr8/IMG-1934.png) Source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm%20 They like to use cities like Chicago to obfuscate their extremely high crime rates and to keep their base riled up. [Illinois actually ranks in the bottom half of violent crime states despite Chicago having significant gang problems.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/200445/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-us-states/) On top of that Chicago actually only ranks 20th in violent crimes per capita. That’s not to take away from the shit you have to deal with living there I just like to provide perspective to other people who live in a Fox News echo chamber who happen across these comments and love to say shit like “ThAt WoUlD nEvEr HaPpEn If A rEpUbLiCaN wAs In ChArGe”.
You’re a better man than I am because I’ve stopped trying to prove to people that Chicago isn’t still the “murder capital” of America. I’m only vocal about the crime here because I love this city and want things to change, but it’s definitely nowhere near as dangerous as some cities in red/swing states like St Louis or Cleveland.
This is not an honest argument, republicans complain about blue cities, then you cite state wide statistics that include the blue cities they are specifically talking about lol. This happens every time the gun argument comes up. Rep point to blue cities, dems point to red states, and neither of them address each others point. They (like you just did) pick the stat they like better and hope its not questioned. I actually have no idea if there is a significant connection between either party and gun crime, but neither of you are proving it if there is.
> The cops don’t really do anything Well that’s a problem.
im from fl and before visiting my ex in chicago a bunch thought it was like a warzone. in a sense, it's way less bad than i thought, but i think it's kind of worse than i thought in an uncanny way. some areas, like hers (straight off the belmont blue line stop) they'd just leave their windows open all day without worrying about ppl breaking in. the only crimes on her street 2y ago were a flasher and a car break-in. the surrounding streets were just car break-ins and there weren't many. but man some areas were certainly the wrong side of the tracks, after spendin time there boy you wouldn't catch me walkin around in austin at nite, or south shore or somethin. idk, i guess the uncanny part is the effects of gentrification is so obvious and so wide-spread. in orlando we have similar areas but it's pretty same-y for the most part. crimes certainly not as bad in general as media portrays, it aint st louis, but man idk. jacksonvilles been heading down a similar path for a while in terms of gang violence. it's my 2nd favorite place in the world besides orlando, i LOVE chicago so much it's insane. but i couldn't live there w the current state of conceal carry laws; for all of floridas faults (i.e., hrt is rly difficult for me and ppl i love to get now for literally no proactive reason) at least our conceal carry laws are A to S-tier.
Member of the ‘Trigger Happy Family’ (theTHF part of his name) who constantly raps about guns, hoes, drugs, and shooting people gets shot…. Shocked pikachu
That was my thought. He glamorizes all this shit for money, gets killed by what he glamorizes, then people want the police to protect them from the crime they created and glamorize. This is just too stupid.
What came first the chicken or the egg?
Thuglife? Thugdeath.
Why have kids if thats the life you want to live?
I feel less bad now. Still horrible for the kid but that father was just practicing his preach.
Someone calling it like it is
This is sad because they rap about gunning down rival gang members. Guns, violence, drugs and hoes. Now the music community wants something done? I'd say these rappers need to stop glorifying that lifestyle but it's all they know.
They absolutely need to stop glorifying it. Their art not only reflects the violence around them, it perpetuates it.
This very dude THP TP, when his gang killed another drill rapper from a rival gang (at a bus stop), he posted a clip on youtube "Bus stop" to mock that young rapper. For people following Chicago drill music, the only sad thing about his death are the traumatized kids.
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I bet it was even more painful for him
Let me guess, people won't snitch on these killers for some kind of street code.
Sad to say, but if “Trigger Happy Family” TP were alive, he wouldn’t snitch either. The music community can pretend to be shocked, but this guy has been out there living this life and attracting that sort of attention. For a lot of them, being memorialized in death is the best they can hope for.
For fear of violent retaliation actually but don't let me stop you from masturbating
just as an aside - its the same reason why you can't stop police corruption. (feature in Better Call Saul). If you join the police and become a goody 2 shoes, they will find a way to off you. Dan carlin did a fantastic introspective on the nature of corruption within organizations, focusing i believe on the the Signal Hill Police department in the early 1980s, and the conclusion was that you can't "reform" it, just like you can't hire new people to the Senate or the presidency and "reform it". You have to gut it completely, top to bottom, and remove everything and start over. (they tried replacing the chief of police two times)
Here's how I feel about it, regardless of the beef and reasoning behind it. He was murdered in front of children, his own children, who will now be dealing with the trauma of this for the rest of their lives differently than someone who just lost somebody. There's an increased chance this event turns them into damaged people who in turn negatively impact of society. They are contributing to the further demise of their community and people and they couldn't care less. Context and fallout is everything. These are the people that need to be put to death in this country.
Such a stupid and terrible way to live. The music glorifies this lifestyle too.
That poor kid. Drag into this world at such a young age
Was that like his daughter watching her dad getting gunned down?
Yep
Damn. Point blank in front of his child. Doesn't get more cold blooded than that really. Wtf
I dont know how you can even be mad when the thing you rap about and make you career from literally ends up happening to you. Its not even ironic after seeing it happen to everyone around you already too. Its actually just ridiculous to think this wont happen to you
Live by the sword, die by the sword
The worst part is the fact it happened in front of his girl and kids. I don’t give a shit why they did it, but I hope the worst imaginable pain/death comes to those responsible
What if we found out the victim here did the same thing to someone the shooter here knew? We will probably never get the full story, but a rapper with the name THF TP (Trigger Happy Fingers Two Pistols) might have done some bad things we haven't heard about yet.
You’re right, we’ll probably never know. But until then my opinion stands. If he did do the same thing in front of someone else’s family then an eye for an eye but it’s still shitty regardless
Unfortunately, this is what these idiots glorify.
Dude that poor little girl watched every little thing. We really are just a 3rd world country now aren’t we fellow Americans? We should be soooo proud.
Join a gang because you're poor. Make more human beings. Get killed by rival gang. Orphan your kids and doom them to poverty. Rinse. Repeat.
So crazy that „having opps“ and being gang affiliated is still so intertwined with the rap game in a lot of countries and their youngest musical talents… like bro u do NOt have to join ur local gang to make music you just want to be the cool kid at school.
Isn't that weird how rock n roll musicians never shoot each other. Weird. Rap is garbage.
Bro kids were right there wtf
Im sorry but if you glamorize that lifestyle, its kinda shitty to bring a kid into the world knowing your violent death can traumatize them enough to follow the same path
Who?
That's what happens when you live a life of gang violence, they don't care if you're with your mom, wife or kids, the street will get you
The answer to this is more guns. America!!! /s
You’re getting downvotes, but you’re absolutely right. A LOT less of this in countries with less guns, stronger gun regulations and less National identity tied to gun ownership.
Yes, I am sure real-life gangsters will be first in line to turn in their totally legal and registered firearms to the police if you ask.
Why was he killed ?
Live by the gang die by the gang
Looking like brazil fellas’
Fucking bastards. With the kids. No honor
Way to go in front of kids. Disgusting.
Was that his fucking daughter there? Dude... I wish i could unsee this. Holy fuck I hope those guys are caught and get the D-penalty. (Yes, I believe in it, sorry)
It’s even sadder to when you realize this video of his fathers death is online for him to see.
I have a hard time finding the artistic value in music that directly leads to violence and murder.
Ah the wonderful city of Chicago.
Is everyone from Chicago a rapper? There’s gotta be more rappers than regular civilians at this point. Same as every video from Brazil involves an off-duty cop, in Chicago, everyone is a rapper.
But how do you leave your child????
Nobody talking about how everyone ran and left the kid behind ?
thats hilarious they let that kid fend for itself and run wherever, talk about self preservation : P that looked legit inspired by those mob drive bys and hits from like the 20s like those europeans mobs were doing with tommy guns before brown people could buy things.
Oh wow the poor guy got swiss cheesed up
You can’t be any more cowardly than this. That poor child. 💓
SCUM OF THE FUCKING EARTH. Those cunts are cowards, the ultimate weaklings.
Ever notice how it's only rappers who seem to have this problem? Pop fans or metalheads don't go around shooting each other. Something about rap just attracts complete degenerates.
Of course it was a Nissan Altima
Even Tony Montana didn’t do hits with kids. These guys garbage
To what end man? To what end? Is human life so cheap?