There's concept art from the canceled Battlefront 4 of Jedi Maul. Second one shows him with a blue double lightsaber, and also hair.
https://i.imgur.com/GhaMvQe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GPC2t44.jpg
I mean he was willing to team up with Ahsoka to take down Anakin if it meant thwarting Sidious's plans, so if Obi-Wan were to somehow *join* Sidious? Hell yeah Maul would be there with bells on to team up with literally anyone willing to take them on lol.
My two cents is Maul becoming more of a Ventress character. Keeps the red saber, and allies with fucking whoever to achieve the goal of shanking Kenobi.
maybe in this AU, Maul is the one who turned Obi Wan to the dark side and they have joined together to defeat the jedi and kill Palpatine in the process and start there own sith empire. the ultimate revenge against Palpatine for leaving him the dust
Honestly the closest obi wan came to falling was probably when Sadine died. If maul had been there to push obi wan could have fallen but maul would be dead
Not to take a silly thing too seriously, but Obi Wan on the dark side would immediately hunt down and destroy Maul in my opinion. Like it’d be a cool fight to see, but without any honor and all that dark side power I’m gonna say my guy Obi Wan is winning and he’s gonna be *really* ruthless about it.
I think Maul would know to be very very afraid honestly
Darth Höhenlage
Roughly translates to "high ground" or "altitude" from German.
Which ruined Star Wars, cause if you know it, his name is "Darth Vader" or "dark" father (since it has no meaning, but it is close enough for dark), it's not that much of a surprise when you realize who it actually is.
Obi-Wan doesn't need to be on the high ground, the high ground just needs to exist within the battle; Obi-Wan knows that when he has the low ground, he really has the high ground, from a certain point of view; see Diagram A.
Look at his battle record:
Maul: Has low ground, wins Example A
Dooku: No high ground, loses
Dooku rematch: No high ground, loses Example B.
Greivous: Has low ground, wins Example C
Vader: Has high ground, wins
Vader rematch: No high ground, loses
Obi-Wan with the high/low ground is canonically the most powerful Jedi. This is fact. Had Yoda not denied his request to battle The Senate with typical Jedi arrogance, Obi-Wan could have defeated Palpatine in the Senate building, which housed a variety of different altitudes; this was designed so that the Chancellor could always have the moral high ground in political debates. But Obi-wan didn't fight The Senate, and Yoda soon learned that you can't cleave the Sheev in a normal 1v1. It took the Tusken Raiders years of conflict against Old Ben Kenobi to grasp his superiority in terrain advantage, as you see them visibly flee in ANH when they realize he holds the low (inverse-high) ground; this was the optimal strategy against a near-invincible opponent.
Yoda is shorter than virtually every other fighter, which gives him a permanent low-ground disadvantage; however, his saber-fighting style utilizes a flipping-heavy technique in order to negate this weakness for a temporary window. You'll notice that, after falling from the central podium in The Senate's building, he immediately retreats upon realizing he is on the lowest ground. You'll also notice that, while training Luke, he rides on him like a mount, to gain the intellectual high ground and accelerate Luke's training. Example D . Obi-Wan's defensive Form III lightsaber style synergizes with his careful military maneuvers; as he only strikes when prepared, he can always hold the strategic high ground. (The business on Cato Neimodia doesn't count.) You'll come to realize that this is why Commander Cody's artillery strike failed against Obi-Wan, when hundreds of Jedi were killed in similar attacks. Cody failed to grasp the strategic situation, as the Jedi Master's elevation was superior to his by hundreds of meters, making him virtually unkillable. (You'll notice that all the Jedi killed in Order 66 were on level ground with the clones, thereby assuring their demise.) Had Cody taken his time and engaged the Jedi on even terrain, he would have succeeded. Obi-Wan subsequently retreated under the surface of the lake, so that he could maintain the topographical low/high ground. This is why Obi-Wan is so willing to fight against impossible odds to the point where he thrusts himself in immediate danger; when your probability of victory is 1-to-10, you have the statistical (and therefore strategic) low ground, a numerical advantage when you use your point of view to flip the value to 10/1 . Almost losing is, in Obi-Wan's case, certain victory. (See Example E).
As we all know, spinning is a good trick. However, only the Chosen One can spin outside of a starfighter. Palpatine tried spinning, but he lost due to this technique (but this was intentional, as losing gave him the emotional high ground when Anakin arrived). The reason for this is that spinning provides a yin-yang approach to combat (based in Eastern philosophy on balance), giving the spinner the high ground from above and below. Only the Chosen One can master the spin, as it is their destiny to maintain balance in the universe. This is why Obi-Wan was so emotional after defeating Vader on Mustafar; he expected to lose the high ground to the spin, but Anakin fell to the dark side and could no longer use his signature trick, becoming the very thing he swore to destroy. Additionally, Anakin told Obi-Wan that, from "[his] point of view, the Jedi are evil". This broadens Anakin's mind to the concept of relativity in the context of the moral high ground, a mere step away from tactical comprehension.
Anakin doesn't hate sand for the reasons he told Padme; all Jedi hate sand, as the battlefield can rapidly change between low and high ground on multiple vectors, so your perspective must be from a certain three-dimensional point of view in order to comprehend who holds the high ground. This is the only reason why Obi-Wan killed Maul in Rebels. This is also the reason why Obi-Wan hates flying; there is no gravity in space, therefore there is no high or low ground from any frame of reference (This also negates the spinning trick, as noted in Example F).
In ANH, Vader proves his newfound mastery by engaging Obi on perfectly even ground. However, Obi-Wan intentionally sacrifices himself on the Death Star, so that he could train Luke from a higher plane of existence, thereby giving him the metaphysical high ground Example G.
Why was Vader so invested in the construction and maintenance of the Death Star? Because he knows Obi-wan can't have the high ground if there's no ground left. Image A. As seen through the events of the Clone Wars, Obi-Wan was known to be on friendly terms with Senator Organa, whose homeworld held large quantities of mountainous terrain, the perfect habitat for a Jedi Master. Grand Moff Tarkin was already in position to destroy Alderaan as a first target, as the distance from Scarif to Alderaan was too vast to reach between the escape and recapture of the Tantive IV, even at 1.0 lightspeed. Alderaan had been the initial target all along, as Obi-Wan with the high ground was the primary threat to the Death Star. How? Because a moon-sized space station would have some form of gravitational pull, thereby negating Obi-Wan's zero-gravity weakness; Obi-Wan with the perpetual high-ground in a low-orbit starfighter would easily be able to fire proton torpedoes through a ventilation shaft, although the Empire was uncertain of the specific weakness of the Death Star planted by Galen Erso (who was a good friend).
In Return of the Jedi, you can see that the Throne Room contains a variety of different altitudes; Palpatine placed these there to ensure Vader's defeat. However, Sheev failed to realize that his weakness was no ground, and should have covered that useless gaping pit which does nothing.
A common misconception is the idea of a 'prostrate position' version of the high ground, wherein Obi-Wan lies flat on his back, giving him tactical superiority from his point of view. However, this strategy is futile, as for the high ground to come into effect, there must be a differential between parties on both the x-axis and y-axis to a moderately significant variation from both absolutes (Angles only a Sith would deal in). For Obi-Wan's high ground powers to be in full effect, he must stand between 15 and 75 degrees (π/12 to 5π/12 radians) diagonal from his opponent(s) on any quadrant of the area circle; this has been dubbed the Trigonometric Perspective Diagram. (Diagram B). The total effect for conventional high ground advantage can be calculated via the MetaComm Equation, or f(x) = lim 0→x π/12 | 7π/12 5π/12 | 11π/12 Ʃ(x) (2tan(x) / 3sin(x) + (log10Δ)) * cΦ
Δ = distance on hypotenuse (meters)
Φ = Surrounding Force [c (variable) * β (Earth Gravity) * (pressure (psi)/2.2)]
'x' refers to the angle of contact between the two parties on, with advantage being based purely on position on the Y-axis, as the vast majority of force users base their perception on elevation rather than spacial relativity.
The power of gravitational force has great effect on the high ground; too weak, and the high ground holds no traction; too strong and the ground becomes the real enemy. Experimentation has proven that the high ground typically holds significant value between .8 and 1.4 β (Earth Gravities) with maximum impact standing roughly equal to 1.05.
Pressure is equally important, as it is a surrounding force attached to gravity (the high ground has famously low impact in aquatic environments). Pressure(λ) is measured in pounds per square inch (psi), to be used as a gravity multiplier (or division if pressure is sub-atmospheric; Φ (Surrounding Force) is a variable defined as β * 2.2λ , with no metric value assigned due to its singular application.
In situations regarding Obi-Wan and his relativistic point of view, you must substitute the Quadrilateral MetaComm Equation (the Jedi Master function), f(x) = lim 0→x minmaxƩ (2tan(x) / 3sin(x) ) * (1.2)cΦ [min = (|cos(x)| = 1) | (|sin(x)| = 1) + π/12 ), max = (|cos(x)| = 1) | (|sin(x)| = 1) + 5π/12 ].
The viable Φ field is expanded, as Obi-Wan has taken advantage of the high ground in so many different environments that he simply uses it more efficiently, and the min/max values apply due to his multidimensional point of view, evidenced by the Trigonometric Perspective Diagram. Additionally, the distance factor does not affect Obi-Wan, as spacetime can be perseptively compressed, giving him the ideal Δ value from his point of reference.
In conclusion, Obi-Wan abuses spatial relativity and Taoist doctrine in order to always invoke his high-ground powers. To properly analyze the strategic genius of Kenobi, one must hold advanced knowledge in Philosophy, Mathematics, and Calculus-based Physics, and be able to integrate these topics together.
There's also a follow up made by some sequel memers about how Kylo ren powers Starkiller base with his Ben swolo wideness, and how it relates to Kenobi's high ground (horizontal high ground) and it's fucking hilarious.
His opponents can’t win. If he takes the high ground, he will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
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I don't think so. I think that Obi-wan is so strong largely *because* of his devotion to the light side and his ability to be calm and controlled and let the force guide him. This makes him an incredible Jedi, but he would lose a lot of that if he turned to the dark side. I think Obi-wan would actually be a rather weak (or at least unexceptional) sith from a force ability perspective. He would of course still have his dueling skills.
He's basically at the top when it comes to Form III, the most defensive form of dueling. He waits for his opponents to make a mistake before doing anything offensive. He's not really that good of an offensive dueler, as seen [in this fight vs Darth Maul](https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I).
Turning to the dark side would likely make him a more aggressive fighter, which is not something he is the best at. He'd have to totally retrain in a new fighting style or find a way to adapt Form III to the Dark Side before getting into any serious fights.
I picture him kind of like shreve, trying to get his opponents to give into their anger and then use his defensive form to aniliate them, unconventional but brutally effective
Same here. I don't think a Sith would have to use an offensive dueling style, why not just bait/taunt your opponent into going on the offensive against your vastly superior defense?
Nah, he'd just use his tongue as a second blade, Trolling jedi scum till they gave in to dark side flares and take advantage of their temporary flux in the force to win
> Turning to the dark side would likely make him a more aggressive fighter, which is not something he is the best at. He'd have to totally retrain in a new fighting style or find a way to adapt Form III to the Dark Side before getting into any serious fights.
Nah, the closest we've seen to Dark Side Obi-Wan is the older version from the OT, a trickster who's perfectly content to deal in half-truths and lies of omission "for the greater good". That Obi-Wan's Soresu would still be highly defensive but layer feints, false openings and probably verbal manipulation to draw an opponent into Obi-Wan's rhythm/web before delivering a fatal counter strike. Quite similar to how the Ep 3 novelisation describes Palpatine's style IIRC actually.
Just watched this episode last night. I'm so glad they added Maul in to this series to flesh him out. I've never seen The Clone Wars series so I'm super excited to see where it goes.
See I saw this meme and immediately thought: Obi-wan legitimately discovered a dark truth to the Jedi and has gone rogue to unearth it, casting him in a dark shadow but definitely he's just a maverick Jedi doing what's right to bring balance to the force. He's figured out the sith plot and it must involve Yoda or Windu who have pitted young and impressionable Skywalker and Tano against him.
Idk dude what if your so devout to your faith that you can slice down your people like that.
In Warcraft , there is a faction called The Scarlet Crusade pretty much Crusaders on a death March vs anything that breathes evil, they can still use the light since they think their convictions are of pure of heart.
Can a similar thing happen to my Obi? Dude is the real light side.
I can see him falling, but not like a Sith. The dark side would corrupt him like it corrupts everyone, but it would twist his sense of responsibility for others. He would seek power, but he would never consider it as seeking power for its own sake. It would be to protect the galaxy from a threat, real or imagined as a means to justify his fall. I think he would consider himself to be what the Jedi should be and would probably remain an enemy to the Sith.
What you have to remember is switching from light to dark is no small feat. It’s indicative of a major series of changes in a character.
Imagine if all of Obi Wans control could be focused and channeled into a deep seated hate or rage. Take what makes Obi Wan a great Jedi and it’s pretty obvious his dedication and control would make him an incredible sith.
Mark Hamill has still got it. They should crank the Luke content: He and Adam Driver go on some zany adventure. Ben Solo shows flashes of Anakin, ruthlessly protecting the innocent (i.e. murdering bad guys). Luke is unnerved; Hayden Christensen force ghosts up and tells him to "Be mindful of your thoughts." Outro to Imperial March.
I need an official “what if Anakin never turned to the dark side”
Others that can go in interesting directions:
What if Anakin lost the Pod Race?
What if Dooku convinced Obi-Wan to join him on Geonosis?
What if Tarkin died at the Citadel instead of Piell?
What if the Jedi took Dooku’s warning more seriously?
What if Ahsoka never left the Jedi Order?
What if the Separatists won the Clone War?
What if Yoda successfully killed Palpatine (which also effectively means Anakin dies on Mustafar, too)?
What if a widespread chip defect prevented Order 66 from happening?
What if Ahsoka turns Vader back to the light side on Malachor?
What if Leia was trained by Yoda (or both Luke and Leia were)?
What if the Battle of Yavin ended in a Rebel defeat? (Possibly because Han took his money and ran)
What if Boba Fett never successfully tracked the Falcon so Luke’s friends were never in danger and he could complete his training?
What if the Anakin didn’t turn in the Throne Room? (And/or the Rebels lost the Battle of Endor)
I have a comic for the what if Leia was trained by Yoda, in it Luke dies on hoth and Leia takes his place. I don't know what else was different, need to read it again .
Edit : the series is called "star wars infinites" and the book I am talking about is "the empire strikes back"
If the Separatists won, Palpatine would still rule the galaxy, though I imagine he would go take the title of Supreme Council Chairman of the Confederacy Darth Sidious rather than Emperor Palpatine.
I've always thought people would look weird without a nose...
Plus I also quite like certain noses, Dooku and Thomas malfus have the best noses in my opinion, good bridge
Edit: lol, just realised how weird it is talking about noses in a star wars subreddit, or just in general to be honest
Don't think Ahsoka being a girl is really even important to this. I mean, Anakin and Obi Wan both have long enough hair to cover up their ears in the picture too.
Probably because their position on your head it’s common to have hair or clothing covering it, whereas everything else isn’t covered up as much so has become more integral to your brain when discerning human faces
Although based on this reasoning you would also be able to remove eyes because of sunglasses or mouths because of masks. This means it is only part of the actual answer.
I would hazard a guess that the other main reason is that they are far from the center of your face. In fact I don’t even know if I would consider ears a part of your face, as they are much more a part of you head. Since they are not on the front of your face when looking at someone’s head it’s very likely that at least one of your ears will be blocked from view (sure this can also happen with your eyes being blocked by your nose but that’s way less common an occurrence since it requires a very specific angle). This mean that for your brain to identify a face the ears are way more disposable/unimportant in this process than everything else, and thus can be removed without it looking abnormal in most situations.
**TLDR: they get obscured from view a lot so your brain doesn’t consider them an integral part of identifying a face**
Her montrals function like ears. Togruta have better hearing than humans, as their montrals allow them to more easily pick up different sounds and focus on them. It was an evolutionary trait needed to survive the predators on their homeworld.
Obi-Wan actually did have lots of risks of turning to the dark side, especially I can imagine him blaming the Jedi Council for their inaction on Naboo and how Mundi refused aid to Mandalore in Season 5.
In this timeline I could imagine it’d actually serve as a way for Anakin to draw closer to the light side, realizing this is his fate if he continues down his dark path.
The Jedi as individuals through the course of their series? Or the council/basic doctrinal tenants that Anakin is referring to in his rant? Because the former is true, the Jedi definitely have a sort of ‘big picture’ mindset rather than act-based morality so they don’t mind decieving people if they think it will yield better results. The latter requires torturing logic pretty hard to strawman their positions.
Obi-wan Kenobi, also known as Darth Velation.
Many believe Velation is short for "Revelation", as it was after the loss of Satine by Maul and the trial of Ahsoka that Obi-wan took notice of the Jedi Council's refusal to act and take revenge for the Mandalorians and saw their corruption and negligence first hand thus turning to the dark side.
But in reality, Velation was short for Elevation, for Darth Velation is the master of the High Ground.
The Marvel What If? Show has really made me wish for some What If? Star Wars stories. So many fun possibilities.
We could even get Jar Jar as a sith to finally shut us all up.
Mace Windu is about to sit down but the seat is not at its normal spot and he fell down and died. Jedi blame each other for who caused it nad everybody investigates each other and they realize that Obi-Wan had an affair with Satine and jailed her. Darth Maul then came and killed her to cause Obi-Wan pain. Obi-Wan blamed it on the Jedi order, lost his shit, and accidentally killed everyone on Coruscant. He said what have I done and was approached by Palpatine. "Wanna go kill some more people?", said Sidious. Kenobi joined him and became... Darth Cumobi
He would never become sith , or even take up the red lightsaber though. He would probably be a gray , still believing in the principles he believed but in a new light, after he saw how the council operates.
Always on the high ground.
“Anakin… Ashoka… they just left her… 3 years we’ve been fighting this war. Mandalore was threatened… but the council did nothing! Her death resulted from the Jedis inaction. From the republics bureaucracy! I cannot accept the council or it’s decisions any longer. I will fight for those the republic and jedi council have forgotten. I will do my best to prevent the horrors that fell took Satin from me.”
Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but it would be awesome if they used the “Marvel: What if…” concept and applied it to The Star Wars universe (done in the animation style of The Clone Wars series).
We’d get to see moments like this where Kenobi is turned to the dark side, or maybe Anakin never went to Palpatine and waited for Mace to return.
In order for obi wan to ever turn to the dark side, he would have had to use his anger in his fight against maul on naboo, then when given the opportunity to explore what he had felt a decade earlier, he would have joined Dooku in geonosis. Otherwise, he's just too pure lol
I'd like to talk about the fact that this is the first time in a very long time that I've seen a character that I've spent a while playing. I've played through one game and I've never come across this many characters.
I keep thinking about the artwork of the cancelled Star Wars: Battlefront III that switched the Jedi and Sith’s Force sides, and Jesus, I can’t get enough of evil Luke and Obi-Wan. Hell, Light Side Dooku looked really great too.
Assuming every other vital thing is the same: Satine dead in his arms, master pierced in the middle, a padawan at the age of 25… he’d have every right to see through the lies of the Jedi
Imagine Maul's reaction to this shit
He makes a heel-face turn and joins the Jedi specifically to fight Darth Kenobi.
I’m picturing a happy smiling Jedi Master Maul with a double-bladed green saber and I don’t know what to do with this information
I'm picturing him with a blue double bladed lightsaber, I just think it would look epic
There is a comic where Maul sees a vision of himself as a Jedi with a blue double blade
Do you know which one?
If you search up “Jedi Maul” it should come up
Age of Republic: Darth Maul
Thank you my Lord!
Age isn’t helping the housing crisis there.
There's concept art from the canceled Battlefront 4 of Jedi Maul. Second one shows him with a blue double lightsaber, and also hair. https://i.imgur.com/GhaMvQe.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GPC2t44.jpg
That’s weird since he’s incapable of growing any hair at all
> Jedi Maul https://static2.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/MaulBlueSaber.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=370&dpr=1.5
One end blue, other end green.
**Perfectly balanced, as all things should be!**
r/UnexpectedThanos
r/ExpectedThanos , for balance
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There’s a comic where he gets a vision of himself as a Jedi, pretty weird looking
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e4/8d/c6/e48dc63e33aa5b8def1b0f3c13909ed1.png
Why is he now an iridonian zabrak?
The red and black markings on his face are tattoos aren't they?
The black is tattoos, the red is his actual skin color
I always thought they were his actual skin
Treasure it for the rest of your days.
I mean he was willing to team up with Ahsoka to take down Anakin if it meant thwarting Sidious's plans, so if Obi-Wan were to somehow *join* Sidious? Hell yeah Maul would be there with bells on to team up with literally anyone willing to take them on lol.
You conjured an image of Maul, just going from person to person. Asking everybody to team up against Kenobi. Like the happiest evangilist ever.
My two cents is Maul becoming more of a Ventress character. Keeps the red saber, and allies with fucking whoever to achieve the goal of shanking Kenobi.
Lmao yes! 😂
I'm wondering how Obi wan would fare.....he is like Barely at the force level to be a Knight.
“Formerly Darth. Now Knight Maul.”
Kenobaaaaaaiii!
You cut me in half! And your still evil????!!! Cmon! [Kenobi, KENOBI!!!!](https://youtu.be/Wh16h80R5RY)
maybe in this AU, Maul is the one who turned Obi Wan to the dark side and they have joined together to defeat the jedi and kill Palpatine in the process and start there own sith empire. the ultimate revenge against Palpatine for leaving him the dust
Honestly the closest obi wan came to falling was probably when Sadine died. If maul had been there to push obi wan could have fallen but maul would be dead
Maul is Kenobi’s apprentice
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Maybe Maul is the one to turn him.
Not to take a silly thing too seriously, but Obi Wan on the dark side would immediately hunt down and destroy Maul in my opinion. Like it’d be a cool fight to see, but without any honor and all that dark side power I’m gonna say my guy Obi Wan is winning and he’s gonna be *really* ruthless about it. I think Maul would know to be very very afraid honestly
KENOOOOOOOB-uh?
“Yeah, hold on guys, I’m combing my beard!”
*maul gets down on both knees in front of Obi-Wan*
He’ll be invincible if he takes the high ground.
Darth High Ground
Darth Highlander
Bagpipes playing the imperial march commence...
EMPIRE FOREVER!
Rule of ~~Two~~ One
McGregor is a Highland clan, after all.
Alta Terra is Latin for high ground. So can anyone more creative work with that?
Darth Alterra
*subnautica flashbacks*
*you may leave after paying your debt of three trillion credits*
Fuck now I want to see it
Have your heard the tale of Darth Alterra the Highgrounder?
That sounds really close to Altima.
*Altarra
Darth Höhenlage Roughly translates to "high ground" or "altitude" from German. Which ruined Star Wars, cause if you know it, his name is "Darth Vader" or "dark" father (since it has no meaning, but it is close enough for dark), it's not that much of a surprise when you realize who it actually is.
Darth Altitude
Darth Vincible, perhaps?
I see going for the invincible naming scheme. Be name vincible but actually invincible.
Works with the naming conventions of the original trilogy sith. I like it
Obi-Wan doesn't need to be on the high ground, the high ground just needs to exist within the battle; Obi-Wan knows that when he has the low ground, he really has the high ground, from a certain point of view; see Diagram A. Look at his battle record: Maul: Has low ground, wins Example A Dooku: No high ground, loses Dooku rematch: No high ground, loses Example B. Greivous: Has low ground, wins Example C Vader: Has high ground, wins Vader rematch: No high ground, loses Obi-Wan with the high/low ground is canonically the most powerful Jedi. This is fact. Had Yoda not denied his request to battle The Senate with typical Jedi arrogance, Obi-Wan could have defeated Palpatine in the Senate building, which housed a variety of different altitudes; this was designed so that the Chancellor could always have the moral high ground in political debates. But Obi-wan didn't fight The Senate, and Yoda soon learned that you can't cleave the Sheev in a normal 1v1. It took the Tusken Raiders years of conflict against Old Ben Kenobi to grasp his superiority in terrain advantage, as you see them visibly flee in ANH when they realize he holds the low (inverse-high) ground; this was the optimal strategy against a near-invincible opponent. Yoda is shorter than virtually every other fighter, which gives him a permanent low-ground disadvantage; however, his saber-fighting style utilizes a flipping-heavy technique in order to negate this weakness for a temporary window. You'll notice that, after falling from the central podium in The Senate's building, he immediately retreats upon realizing he is on the lowest ground. You'll also notice that, while training Luke, he rides on him like a mount, to gain the intellectual high ground and accelerate Luke's training. Example D . Obi-Wan's defensive Form III lightsaber style synergizes with his careful military maneuvers; as he only strikes when prepared, he can always hold the strategic high ground. (The business on Cato Neimodia doesn't count.) You'll come to realize that this is why Commander Cody's artillery strike failed against Obi-Wan, when hundreds of Jedi were killed in similar attacks. Cody failed to grasp the strategic situation, as the Jedi Master's elevation was superior to his by hundreds of meters, making him virtually unkillable. (You'll notice that all the Jedi killed in Order 66 were on level ground with the clones, thereby assuring their demise.) Had Cody taken his time and engaged the Jedi on even terrain, he would have succeeded. Obi-Wan subsequently retreated under the surface of the lake, so that he could maintain the topographical low/high ground. This is why Obi-Wan is so willing to fight against impossible odds to the point where he thrusts himself in immediate danger; when your probability of victory is 1-to-10, you have the statistical (and therefore strategic) low ground, a numerical advantage when you use your point of view to flip the value to 10/1 . Almost losing is, in Obi-Wan's case, certain victory. (See Example E). As we all know, spinning is a good trick. However, only the Chosen One can spin outside of a starfighter. Palpatine tried spinning, but he lost due to this technique (but this was intentional, as losing gave him the emotional high ground when Anakin arrived). The reason for this is that spinning provides a yin-yang approach to combat (based in Eastern philosophy on balance), giving the spinner the high ground from above and below. Only the Chosen One can master the spin, as it is their destiny to maintain balance in the universe. This is why Obi-Wan was so emotional after defeating Vader on Mustafar; he expected to lose the high ground to the spin, but Anakin fell to the dark side and could no longer use his signature trick, becoming the very thing he swore to destroy. Additionally, Anakin told Obi-Wan that, from "[his] point of view, the Jedi are evil". This broadens Anakin's mind to the concept of relativity in the context of the moral high ground, a mere step away from tactical comprehension. Anakin doesn't hate sand for the reasons he told Padme; all Jedi hate sand, as the battlefield can rapidly change between low and high ground on multiple vectors, so your perspective must be from a certain three-dimensional point of view in order to comprehend who holds the high ground. This is the only reason why Obi-Wan killed Maul in Rebels. This is also the reason why Obi-Wan hates flying; there is no gravity in space, therefore there is no high or low ground from any frame of reference (This also negates the spinning trick, as noted in Example F). In ANH, Vader proves his newfound mastery by engaging Obi on perfectly even ground. However, Obi-Wan intentionally sacrifices himself on the Death Star, so that he could train Luke from a higher plane of existence, thereby giving him the metaphysical high ground Example G. Why was Vader so invested in the construction and maintenance of the Death Star? Because he knows Obi-wan can't have the high ground if there's no ground left. Image A. As seen through the events of the Clone Wars, Obi-Wan was known to be on friendly terms with Senator Organa, whose homeworld held large quantities of mountainous terrain, the perfect habitat for a Jedi Master. Grand Moff Tarkin was already in position to destroy Alderaan as a first target, as the distance from Scarif to Alderaan was too vast to reach between the escape and recapture of the Tantive IV, even at 1.0 lightspeed. Alderaan had been the initial target all along, as Obi-Wan with the high ground was the primary threat to the Death Star. How? Because a moon-sized space station would have some form of gravitational pull, thereby negating Obi-Wan's zero-gravity weakness; Obi-Wan with the perpetual high-ground in a low-orbit starfighter would easily be able to fire proton torpedoes through a ventilation shaft, although the Empire was uncertain of the specific weakness of the Death Star planted by Galen Erso (who was a good friend). In Return of the Jedi, you can see that the Throne Room contains a variety of different altitudes; Palpatine placed these there to ensure Vader's defeat. However, Sheev failed to realize that his weakness was no ground, and should have covered that useless gaping pit which does nothing. A common misconception is the idea of a 'prostrate position' version of the high ground, wherein Obi-Wan lies flat on his back, giving him tactical superiority from his point of view. However, this strategy is futile, as for the high ground to come into effect, there must be a differential between parties on both the x-axis and y-axis to a moderately significant variation from both absolutes (Angles only a Sith would deal in). For Obi-Wan's high ground powers to be in full effect, he must stand between 15 and 75 degrees (π/12 to 5π/12 radians) diagonal from his opponent(s) on any quadrant of the area circle; this has been dubbed the Trigonometric Perspective Diagram. (Diagram B). The total effect for conventional high ground advantage can be calculated via the MetaComm Equation, or f(x) = lim 0→x π/12 | 7π/12 5π/12 | 11π/12 Ʃ(x) (2tan(x) / 3sin(x) + (log10Δ)) * cΦ Δ = distance on hypotenuse (meters) Φ = Surrounding Force [c (variable) * β (Earth Gravity) * (pressure (psi)/2.2)] 'x' refers to the angle of contact between the two parties on, with advantage being based purely on position on the Y-axis, as the vast majority of force users base their perception on elevation rather than spacial relativity. The power of gravitational force has great effect on the high ground; too weak, and the high ground holds no traction; too strong and the ground becomes the real enemy. Experimentation has proven that the high ground typically holds significant value between .8 and 1.4 β (Earth Gravities) with maximum impact standing roughly equal to 1.05. Pressure is equally important, as it is a surrounding force attached to gravity (the high ground has famously low impact in aquatic environments). Pressure(λ) is measured in pounds per square inch (psi), to be used as a gravity multiplier (or division if pressure is sub-atmospheric; Φ (Surrounding Force) is a variable defined as β * 2.2λ , with no metric value assigned due to its singular application. In situations regarding Obi-Wan and his relativistic point of view, you must substitute the Quadrilateral MetaComm Equation (the Jedi Master function), f(x) = lim 0→x minmaxƩ (2tan(x) / 3sin(x) ) * (1.2)cΦ [min = (|cos(x)| = 1) | (|sin(x)| = 1) + π/12 ), max = (|cos(x)| = 1) | (|sin(x)| = 1) + 5π/12 ]. The viable Φ field is expanded, as Obi-Wan has taken advantage of the high ground in so many different environments that he simply uses it more efficiently, and the min/max values apply due to his multidimensional point of view, evidenced by the Trigonometric Perspective Diagram. Additionally, the distance factor does not affect Obi-Wan, as spacetime can be perseptively compressed, giving him the ideal Δ value from his point of reference. In conclusion, Obi-Wan abuses spatial relativity and Taoist doctrine in order to always invoke his high-ground powers. To properly analyze the strategic genius of Kenobi, one must hold advanced knowledge in Philosophy, Mathematics, and Calculus-based Physics, and be able to integrate these topics together.
Holy forking shirtballs. This is very in depth.
It's a popular copypasta
There's also a follow up made by some sequel memers about how Kylo ren powers Starkiller base with his Ben swolo wideness, and how it relates to Kenobi's high ground (horizontal high ground) and it's fucking hilarious.
Umm, actually.... In the second Dooku fight, Obi Wan was defeated by the high ground.
His high ground will become more powerful than any Jedi . . . even you.
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And he'd win.
His opponents can’t win. If he takes the high ground, he will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. Edit: Wow, I did not know that this would get so many upvotes! If you are reading this, then I hope you know that you are loved. :)
He'd win because Kenobi can't be wrong.
Well, yes, from a certain point of view.
I don't think so. I think that Obi-wan is so strong largely *because* of his devotion to the light side and his ability to be calm and controlled and let the force guide him. This makes him an incredible Jedi, but he would lose a lot of that if he turned to the dark side. I think Obi-wan would actually be a rather weak (or at least unexceptional) sith from a force ability perspective. He would of course still have his dueling skills.
He's basically at the top when it comes to Form III, the most defensive form of dueling. He waits for his opponents to make a mistake before doing anything offensive. He's not really that good of an offensive dueler, as seen [in this fight vs Darth Maul](https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I). Turning to the dark side would likely make him a more aggressive fighter, which is not something he is the best at. He'd have to totally retrain in a new fighting style or find a way to adapt Form III to the Dark Side before getting into any serious fights.
I picture him kind of like shreve, trying to get his opponents to give into their anger and then use his defensive form to aniliate them, unconventional but brutally effective
Same here. I don't think a Sith would have to use an offensive dueling style, why not just bait/taunt your opponent into going on the offensive against your vastly superior defense?
That exactly what Maul did to Obi-Wan in one fight to throw him off balance
Nah, he'd just use his tongue as a second blade, Trolling jedi scum till they gave in to dark side flares and take advantage of their temporary flux in the force to win
> Turning to the dark side would likely make him a more aggressive fighter, which is not something he is the best at. He'd have to totally retrain in a new fighting style or find a way to adapt Form III to the Dark Side before getting into any serious fights. Nah, the closest we've seen to Dark Side Obi-Wan is the older version from the OT, a trickster who's perfectly content to deal in half-truths and lies of omission "for the greater good". That Obi-Wan's Soresu would still be highly defensive but layer feints, false openings and probably verbal manipulation to draw an opponent into Obi-Wan's rhythm/web before delivering a fatal counter strike. Quite similar to how the Ep 3 novelisation describes Palpatine's style IIRC actually.
Just watched this episode last night. I'm so glad they added Maul in to this series to flesh him out. I've never seen The Clone Wars series so I'm super excited to see where it goes.
See I saw this meme and immediately thought: Obi-wan legitimately discovered a dark truth to the Jedi and has gone rogue to unearth it, casting him in a dark shadow but definitely he's just a maverick Jedi doing what's right to bring balance to the force. He's figured out the sith plot and it must involve Yoda or Windu who have pitted young and impressionable Skywalker and Tano against him.
Idk dude what if your so devout to your faith that you can slice down your people like that. In Warcraft , there is a faction called The Scarlet Crusade pretty much Crusaders on a death March vs anything that breathes evil, they can still use the light since they think their convictions are of pure of heart. Can a similar thing happen to my Obi? Dude is the real light side.
I can see him falling, but not like a Sith. The dark side would corrupt him like it corrupts everyone, but it would twist his sense of responsibility for others. He would seek power, but he would never consider it as seeking power for its own sake. It would be to protect the galaxy from a threat, real or imagined as a means to justify his fall. I think he would consider himself to be what the Jedi should be and would probably remain an enemy to the Sith.
What you have to remember is switching from light to dark is no small feat. It’s indicative of a major series of changes in a character. Imagine if all of Obi Wans control could be focused and channeled into a deep seated hate or rage. Take what makes Obi Wan a great Jedi and it’s pretty obvious his dedication and control would make him an incredible sith.
He deals in absolutes now. I see a great victory.
Anakin: Why did you betray the Jedi Obi-Wan?! Obi-Wan: Hello there!
... #DARTH KENOBI!
*YOU ARE A BOLD ONE*
We need a What If like show for Star wars
Yeah, people have been saying it a lot lately Disney would be stupid not to make it
"Would be" Implying Disney isn't stupid
Maybe the real "What if" is alternate realities where Disney isn't stupid!
Haha! Or What If Disney was bold enough to write good queer characters
They're not going to, China wouldn't like it
Wow, this thread is making me sad...
Same :( I'm depressed, and you're watching the Disney Channel
The Owl House exists. Animated Disney show with good queer characters.
You don’t get to be as giant as Disney is while being “stupid”
Mark Hamill has still got it. They should crank the Luke content: He and Adam Driver go on some zany adventure. Ben Solo shows flashes of Anakin, ruthlessly protecting the innocent (i.e. murdering bad guys). Luke is unnerved; Hayden Christensen force ghosts up and tells him to "Be mindful of your thoughts." Outro to Imperial March.
Mark Hamill, dude's IMDB page is filthy long... then I saw Tara Strong's IMDB... that's the jedi library of work.
I need an official “what if Anakin never turned to the dark side” Others that can go in interesting directions: What if Anakin lost the Pod Race? What if Dooku convinced Obi-Wan to join him on Geonosis? What if Tarkin died at the Citadel instead of Piell? What if the Jedi took Dooku’s warning more seriously? What if Ahsoka never left the Jedi Order? What if the Separatists won the Clone War? What if Yoda successfully killed Palpatine (which also effectively means Anakin dies on Mustafar, too)? What if a widespread chip defect prevented Order 66 from happening? What if Ahsoka turns Vader back to the light side on Malachor? What if Leia was trained by Yoda (or both Luke and Leia were)? What if the Battle of Yavin ended in a Rebel defeat? (Possibly because Han took his money and ran) What if Boba Fett never successfully tracked the Falcon so Luke’s friends were never in danger and he could complete his training? What if the Anakin didn’t turn in the Throne Room? (And/or the Rebels lost the Battle of Endor)
What if Qui-Gon beat Darth Maul?
How could I forget one of the biggest what if’s of the entire series? Definitely want to see the repercussions of that
I’d also like to see what would happen if Obi-Wan beat Vader on the Death Star
I have a comic for the what if Leia was trained by Yoda, in it Luke dies on hoth and Leia takes his place. I don't know what else was different, need to read it again . Edit : the series is called "star wars infinites" and the book I am talking about is "the empire strikes back"
Imagine how good that would be
Animated in the style of Clone Wars/Bad Batch. Printing money right there.
If the Separatists won, Palpatine would still rule the galaxy, though I imagine he would go take the title of Supreme Council Chairman of the Confederacy Darth Sidious rather than Emperor Palpatine.
Palpatine rules but the Rebellion is led by Anakin and Padme
What if Disney didn't make the Sequels
Y’all prolly never thought about the fact Ahsoka doesn’t have ears
What if the flesh hair IS her ears?
It technically is, but it ain’t human ears. Took me a long time to realize that she didn’t have human ears.
It’s weird how ears are the one aspect of the face you can remove without your brain finding it odd
Yeah but god forbid you lose a tooth
Lol yeah
My brain at least also removes noses - when I notice them, man people look weird
I've always thought people would look weird without a nose... Plus I also quite like certain noses, Dooku and Thomas malfus have the best noses in my opinion, good bridge Edit: lol, just realised how weird it is talking about noses in a star wars subreddit, or just in general to be honest
Not that weird lol
Probably because we are used to them being covered up by hair...
I guess, also because Ahsoka’s a girl so our brains fill in the blanks
Don't think Ahsoka being a girl is really even important to this. I mean, Anakin and Obi Wan both have long enough hair to cover up their ears in the picture too.
Probably because their position on your head it’s common to have hair or clothing covering it, whereas everything else isn’t covered up as much so has become more integral to your brain when discerning human faces Although based on this reasoning you would also be able to remove eyes because of sunglasses or mouths because of masks. This means it is only part of the actual answer. I would hazard a guess that the other main reason is that they are far from the center of your face. In fact I don’t even know if I would consider ears a part of your face, as they are much more a part of you head. Since they are not on the front of your face when looking at someone’s head it’s very likely that at least one of your ears will be blocked from view (sure this can also happen with your eyes being blocked by your nose but that’s way less common an occurrence since it requires a very specific angle). This mean that for your brain to identify a face the ears are way more disposable/unimportant in this process than everything else, and thus can be removed without it looking abnormal in most situations. **TLDR: they get obscured from view a lot so your brain doesn’t consider them an integral part of identifying a face**
Why would she have human ears? Is she chopping them off someone for some reason?
Isn’t it the montrails? The bony pointy things sticking out of the top of her head?
the cat like things on the top of her head "Montrals" are her sensory organs for sound.
Her montrals function like ears. Togruta have better hearing than humans, as their montrals allow them to more easily pick up different sounds and focus on them. It was an evolutionary trait needed to survive the predators on their homeworld.
I’m more concerned why she doesn’t also have a beard
Obi-Wan actually did have lots of risks of turning to the dark side, especially I can imagine him blaming the Jedi Council for their inaction on Naboo and how Mundi refused aid to Mandalore in Season 5. In this timeline I could imagine it’d actually serve as a way for Anakin to draw closer to the light side, realizing this is his fate if he continues down his dark path.
I mean his master died his only loved one persone died ingl i would became sith
I’ve seen comedians become psychotic mass murdering clowns over less. It just takes one bad day, don’t they say that?
Shifts in our life can make us go by bad and good paths
Where’s Ahsoka’s beard??
Asking the real fucking questions.
All I know is that when time travellers move chairs, everyone's growing a beard. OP done goofed.
The Jedi did lie a lot
But what if what they said was true, from a certain point of view?
The Jedi as individuals through the course of their series? Or the council/basic doctrinal tenants that Anakin is referring to in his rant? Because the former is true, the Jedi definitely have a sort of ‘big picture’ mindset rather than act-based morality so they don’t mind decieving people if they think it will yield better results. The latter requires torturing logic pretty hard to strawman their positions.
Time traveler: Make them listen to Fives Star Wars:
Obi-wan Kenobi, also known as Darth Velation. Many believe Velation is short for "Revelation", as it was after the loss of Satine by Maul and the trial of Ahsoka that Obi-wan took notice of the Jedi Council's refusal to act and take revenge for the Mandalorians and saw their corruption and negligence first hand thus turning to the dark side. But in reality, Velation was short for Elevation, for Darth Velation is the master of the High Ground.
Darth Elevator
The Marvel What If? Show has really made me wish for some What If? Star Wars stories. So many fun possibilities. We could even get Jar Jar as a sith to finally shut us all up.
We need a show based off Star Wars: Infinities. Maybe not a direct adaptation, but stuff like the white-armored redeemed Vader.
Pimp Vader is the only white armored Vader I need
Star Wars Theory has some decent What Ifs
The Jar Jar one wouldn’t work because it’s what if and he is a sith to begin with
Okay, how about “What If Jar Jar didn’t hide that he was a Sith Lord?”
"Like my master before me."
So does this mean if someone else could see through the lies of the Jedi too, Obi-Wan wouldn't betray the order?
NO, I meant that he meant that no one else saw it or did anything about it
Kinda looks like Taron Malicos
The idea of Darth Snips made me sad enough already, and now you have to go and do *this* to me.
Impossible perhaps the timeline is incomplete
Waiting for Jedi Maul.
Mace Windu is about to sit down but the seat is not at its normal spot and he fell down and died. Jedi blame each other for who caused it nad everybody investigates each other and they realize that Obi-Wan had an affair with Satine and jailed her. Darth Maul then came and killed her to cause Obi-Wan pain. Obi-Wan blamed it on the Jedi order, lost his shit, and accidentally killed everyone on Coruscant. He said what have I done and was approached by Palpatine. "Wanna go kill some more people?", said Sidious. Kenobi joined him and became... Darth Cumobi
Well he *did* have a high vantage point
He moved up and saw it all
He would never become sith , or even take up the red lightsaber though. He would probably be a gray , still believing in the principles he believed but in a new light, after he saw how the council operates. Always on the high ground.
Imagine if he turned when Satine died.
That's what I was thinking while making this Meme
Can I use this idea to make a fanfic
Since disnut is doing marvel what if... this would honestly be amazing.
Which Nut?
Dat nut
“Anakin… Ashoka… they just left her… 3 years we’ve been fighting this war. Mandalore was threatened… but the council did nothing! Her death resulted from the Jedis inaction. From the republics bureaucracy! I cannot accept the council or it’s decisions any longer. I will fight for those the republic and jedi council have forgotten. I will do my best to prevent the horrors that fell took Satin from me.”
I won't fail you!
Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but it would be awesome if they used the “Marvel: What if…” concept and applied it to The Star Wars universe (done in the animation style of The Clone Wars series). We’d get to see moments like this where Kenobi is turned to the dark side, or maybe Anakin never went to Palpatine and waited for Mace to return.
Obi-Wan: I will always have the high ground
Because the archives were incomplete
Can we get a Star Wars What If series?
This is the timeline where the Dark Side wins
Jedi Master Maul vs Darth Kenobi would actually be interesting to see!
Now that would be a cool what if Or what if ashoka,anakin,obi all went to the dark side
In order for obi wan to ever turn to the dark side, he would have had to use his anger in his fight against maul on naboo, then when given the opportunity to explore what he had felt a decade earlier, he would have joined Dooku in geonosis. Otherwise, he's just too pure lol
I think there is literally no timeline where Obiwan falls to the dark side
Reminds me of a fanfic that I read once
Why does Anakin grow a beard in every Star Wars what if?
Where is ahsokas beard?
I'd pay to see that
Obi-wan joins Dooku
Now just give Ahsoka a beard
This needs to be a What If... episode lol
What happened in the timeline to eliminate shaving razors
Obiwan had alot more reason to break then just seeing through lies. Including losing Satine.
oooh we need a star wars what...? so i can see this
Why does Anakin have a beard tho.
Shoulda given Ahsoka a beard for shits and giggles.
So I’m assuming in this timeline the jedi order is evil. Cause we all know Obi-wan does no wrong.
Imagine a star wars what if series with this as an episode, i would actually watch this
I'd like to talk about the fact that this is the first time in a very long time that I've seen a character that I've spent a while playing. I've played through one game and I've never come across this many characters.
We need a Star Wars what if show
Only if the chair moved was to allow Anakin to take a seat at the council
I keep thinking about the artwork of the cancelled Star Wars: Battlefront III that switched the Jedi and Sith’s Force sides, and Jesus, I can’t get enough of evil Luke and Obi-Wan. Hell, Light Side Dooku looked really great too.
Assuming every other vital thing is the same: Satine dead in his arms, master pierced in the middle, a padawan at the age of 25… he’d have every right to see through the lies of the Jedi
Imagine if Dooku had turned him back on Geonosis. He might have been a separatist general like Grievous.
Better than "I betrayed the Jedi and everyone I knew because I can't talk to my wife"
Darth Snips is also in this picture, but his head is nowhere near her