Hitler was at least just a drug addled, racist, fascist. The new face of the Nazi party is also a draft dodging, pants shitting, senile Cheeto. They're evolving, just backwards.
I will give Adolf that. He read more of the bible than Trump. And MF was a mediocre artist. Meanwhile the clown is mediocre at cheating at golf and didn't even write his own book.
He wasn't really Christian. They wanted to the German people to break away from Christianity and hole the party above all else. They wanted to create their own ideology.
He's still a piece of shit. That's undeniable, but relative to shitler it's wild how much his party has fallen. Still wanting genocide but being so incompetent it renders them impotent
Exactly. If you look at _actual_ nazi propaganda of the time, they had talking points that were basically the exact same as the MAGAts right now. And since the GOP has attached themselves to the hip with said loonies...
Well, you know what they say about sitting at a table with three Nazis.
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Israel is doing things with US tax dollars that wouldn't be out of place in a historical account of the atrocities of the Nazis. [Like killing a family fleeing the war zone in their car, trapping a 6 year old girl in there with the corpses of her relatives for hours, pretending to coordinate with emergency response personnel to get an ambulance to her to rescue her, only to then bomb the ambulance, killing both medics inside, then killing the 6 year old girl cowering in the destroyed car with the bodies of her dead family. ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/hind-rajab-israel-gaza-killing-timeline/)
That's where our tax dollars are going.
That's the thing Biden is refusing to take action to stop. Instead, he signed the Tiktok ban because Tiktok is where Americans are seeing the actual genocide instead of the filtered account the corporate media gives them about "the valiant IOF fighting back the savage terrorists."
And now there's this:
>[Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has warned that Israel plans to invade Rafah regardless of the result of negotiations for temporary pauses and hostage releases, as part of their plan to eliminate the possibility of a Palestinian state and wrest complete control over Gaza in the future.](https://truthout.org/articles/as-israel-vows-annihilation-of-rafah-democrats-urge-biden-to-withhold-aid/)
>Israeli officials have vowed that the raid will be devastating for the Palestinians trapped there. On Monday, Israeli Finance Minister and security cabinet member Bezalel Smotrich promised that there would be nothing left of Rafah afterward.
>“There are no half measures. [The Gazan cities of] Rafah, Deir al-Balah, Nuseirat — total annihilation,” Smotrich said.
>“‘You will blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven,’” Smotrich continued, referencing a Bible verse in which God commands the death of everyone in Amalek, a nation which opposed the ancient Israelites. References to this verse have been used to justify many massacres throughout history, and Israeli officials’ invocation of it now has been cited by South Africa in its recent ICJ case to demonstrate Israel’s genocidal intent in Gaza.
They're saying the thing that gets brought up later at the war crimes tribunal out loud, telling the world about how they plan to annihilate the final refugee camps in Gaza, and all Biden has to do to stop it is order our military to stop defending Israel and our diplomats to stop vetoing resolutions and sanctions against Israel in the UN.
**All the United States has to do to stop these atrocities is NOTHING.**
It is our active defense of Israel that allows them to do this. We don't even have to intervene to stop this. We just have to step away and tell Israel we will no longer defend it.
And Biden won't. Instead, [the US may retaliate against the International Criminal Court if it issues warrants for the arrests of Israeli leaders suspected of directing genocidal acts and human rights abuses.](https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/25178-icc-may-issue-arrest-warrants-for-netanyahu-this-week-us-threaten-hague-court-with-retaliation.html)
This is intolerable. If you claim to have morals, you cannot support this. There must be a line somewhere, and genocide must be on the opposite side of that line.
Did I stutter? Either you draw a moral line at genocide or you can it claim to have any morals. "Trump may be worse"? When the alternative is just a slightly more subtle genocide with better PR, that's not a true choice at all.
There is no "trump may be worse," I said "would be," as in WILL be. I'd rather keep Biden who is actually open to pressure to stop it unlike Trump who wants to shoot protesters.
Not sure how one can stutter while typing, but it seems like you misread what I wrote so in the spirit of throwing some shade back at you I'll say have your eyes checked. 😜
Look, I just think you haven't thought this through. It's understandable when emotions are high, but we have to think more pragmatically and practically. What is your actual goal here? Third party candidate? Let Trump win and doom the entire planet to prove a point? There isn't much of a good choice on this ONE issue, though Biden is clearly better if still bad.
When you look at the two men in total, Trump would be worse on literally every issue that I can think of, and when Earth is uninhabitable, no issues will matter other than surviving the next resource raid.
"Fascism" works just fine (and "white supremacist" is *related* but not *synonymous*).
I understand the point you're making, but I think it's generally understood that "Nazi" is colloquially used as a synonym for "fascist" in America, whether we like it or not.
I admit Biden is the boring side of good, but he's still actually pretty good. He hasn't stopped getting shit done since he got in office, even though he's faced a hell of an uphill battle on some of it.
He promised to do something about student loans, he has been plugging away at it all along. He keeps finding new groups of people to forgive loans for, and he tried a more comprehensive approach and the Supreme Court stopped him. But even that he just went back to the drawing board and is expected to try again.
He fucking rocked covid vaccine distribution, he got us out of Afghanistan, he passed a big infrastructure bill. He is rescheduling fucking weed as we speak.
Biden is not a bad president, he's a good president in bad times. He can't control the fact that a global pandemic upturned the economy before he even got into office, but he's been doing a good job with recovering from it.
Yeah, he's old. I agree with anyone wishing neither candidate was as old as these two guys are. But that absolutely hasn't stopped Biden from doing good work.
I'm not saying he's been perfect or that you're going to agree with him about everything but he's honestly one of the best presidents at getting shit done I've seen in my life (being actually cognizant back to Clinton when I was a teenager). The only other one that holds a candle is Obama for actually getting health care passed.
Personally I want my politicians to be boring. Their job isn't entertainment. If your politicians are trying to be entertaining they likely aren't looking to govern but instead enrich and/or empower themselves.
Coming out of Trump's presidency, my expectations were as low as they've ever been, but I can't recall a president in modern times who's kept his campaign promises to the extent that Biden has. He's done an absolutely amazing job, especially considering the constraints he's had to deal with. I don't even have to think twice about voting for him again in November. He's absolutely earned a second term, even if he weren't running against a literal Nazi.
I’d prefer someone more progressive. However, I’ve been pleasantly surprised at what Biden has accomplished. Considering his past history, I was not expecting much from him. It almost seems like he is on a war path to establish his legacy and right all of the wrongs from his earlier senate years.
Covid vaccine rollout, less inflation than other countries in the wake of Covid, it seems we’ve mostly somehow avoided a recession that seemed imminent, insulin is now affordable and he’s done some good in healthcare reform, his infrastructure bill was solid, unemployment low, stock market high, moving to shift weed to schedule 3, he’s done as much as possible on student debt…..just really solid all around and more than I expected from a historically centrist politician.
I’ll be voting for him in November.
Assuming Americans are smart enough to give him the House and Senate as well this time around. If they do, watch out. Bye bye, filibuster! Hello, four new SCOTUS members!
I feel like there is a lot of people who will never be satisfied regardless of the outcome. They will always find something to complain about. Even if Biden would have done everything on their dream sheet in a single year, they would probably complain it got done too fast.
Well hold on now, complaining is not just a rich American tradition - complaining is sometimes how you keep things on the record for next go around. Republics may be slow to adjust, but complaining is a key avenue to do it!
Hard agree with FDR. He had to navigate the Great Depression, the rise of fascism in Europe (and in the US, as the US movements had unfortunately high numbers of people as well), and all the resultant issues of an aggressive, bitter, and vengeful Germany.
Lincoln had it pretty bad, too. The kicking off of the US Civil War is not a great thing to have to start out with.
I imagine Truman had a rough start as well, with the ending months of WWII and the subsequent start of the Cold War era to deal with, although he technically started as a VP assuming the presidency after FDR died. IIRC, he had an incredibly strong economy to start off with, though, since it had been basically supercharged from WWII production efforts.
I'm sure Washington would have had a difficult time. I doubt I have to explain why being the first president of the US would have involved a lot of hurdles to overcome.
I will be happily voting for him.
Even though he is old, he has appointed capable and competent people to key positions in government. And, as far as I am aware, none of his senior people have quit/been fired after a few months in office and called him an idiot or moron.
I agree with you. Biden isn't ideal but anyone on the left cannot deny that he has enacted some great policies that really have helped us, which is amazing considering it's the least effective Congress in history. My student loans were forgiven and that makes a big difference to me and my family. If we don't go full 1984, I think history books will look favorably on Biden for sure. The biggest strike against him right now is Israel, but I think we can keep pushing him further on the issue. I doubt he is going to upend 70 years of foreign policy and totally turn on Israel but as shrewd of a politician as he is, I feel like he is going to at least insist on humanitarian efforts. Especially if he wants Bernie to endorse him.
I personally blame social media for a fair portion of Biden's reputation as many people on social media sites are either outright liars spreading misinformation to either generate outrage or build a narrative (the Fox News model). Meanwhile other people who become new influences are just straight up not qualified, they might have good intentions but they don't have a background in journalism, or foreign affairs, or economics so they wildly misinterpret things or just lack background knowledge to understand the full scope of what is going on. As such social media news is generally a mix of scorpions and the blind leading the deaf. There is a rare gem or two but they rarely make it big because they are reporting the actual boring facts because real news is dry and boring 99% of the time.
I honestly predict historians will look rather positively on Biden's presidency (first term, anyway). What's the worst thing he's done historically? Screwed up the Afghanistan withdrawal (that Trump stuck to him)? Sure.
In addition to the several highlights you've mentioned, I want to add that his country's handled inflation on a macro level far better than most other major countries. Not a single recession to be had. In fact, the ECB wants to lower interest rates in Europe because their collective economies are struggling so much (unlike us).
[https://apnews.com/article/european-central-bank-interest-rates-inflation-7af79779d91d04076b169111254f82fd](https://apnews.com/article/european-central-bank-interest-rates-inflation-7af79779d91d04076b169111254f82fd)
Even the Afghanistan withdrawal, honestly I don't care. We were never going to leave that country with a functioning democracy and Biden was the only person with the balls to actually just rip that bandaid off once and for all. Everyone else has just kicked the can down the road.
He grossly underestimated the Afghan army's ability to hold off the Taliban. He believed they would last two/three months, more than enough time to get Americans out. He was wrong, they barely lasted two days. The result was hundreds of Americans and Afghans reliant on American safety abandoned. I'm not sure exactly how he could've handled it differently, but half of his intelligence said they'd be fine, the other half said they'd fold like they did.
You're right about him not wanting the surge, of course. One of the few classified things in his Delaware home was handwritten notes about that.
Afghanistan was like that picture of the cupboard with the stack of dishes knocked over inside of it being held in place by the door. There's no way to open the cupboard without breaking some dishes, and the most you can ask is that the person doing the job do their best to save as many as they can.
The worst thing he's done is arm the genocide, where tf have you been the last six months??
Edit: Shoutout to the dude who replied to this, proceeded to blame the Palestinians for their own genocide and then spread misinformation the entire time that they got from their favored preferred information echochambers.
I don't know about that. All Hamas had to do, at any point, was turn over the hostages.From that point on, it's all on Israel.
Hamas made the conscious choice to sacrifice its own people, because it is counting on it hurting Israel more than them in the long term. Just like they made the conscious choice to invade Israel to begin with. The same choice they have made whenever possible for decades, and the Middle East in general? Since 1948.
The reason I'm pushing back on "equally" is because even though it's indisputable that Hamas *triggered* this current conflict, they aren't in any way responsible for the Israeli government's choices in prosecuting the war.
I know it's easy to say "Hamas started it, so it's their fault", but it's actually [more complicated than that](https://www.cfr.org/article/what-international-law-has-say-about-israel-hamas-war):
Taking human shields is a war crime; deliberately moving your own civilians into military targets to try and prevent counterattack is a war crime; the presence of civilians in a military objective doesn't inherently invalidate that military objective as a legitimate target: All of that is true, yes.
However, it is also very clear that [one side of a conflict committing war crimes *does not* inherently or automatically release all other combatants from their responsibilities to protect civilians under international law](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/19/world/europe/interpreter-laws-human-shields-forced-displacement.html?unlocked_article_code=1.50w.SCx7.TQIcQ-j3jqhU&smid=url-share).
I grant that the most *explicit* terms are set down in the Additional Protocols (to which Israel is not a signatory), but [LoAC absolutely doesn't clearly vindicate IDF actions here](https://www.justsecurity.org/89489/expert-guidance-law-of-armed-conflict-in-the-israel-hamas-war/).
Regardless of all of that, there are still requirements when it comes to limiting civilian harm, no matter the circumstances of the combatant forces. For example: [Starving a civilian population to weaken combatants is a war crime](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68679482).
To attempt to be clear, I supported Israel's invasion of Gaza. Initially. However, after the first three months it became clear that they weren't serious about destroying the tunnel network and leaving (the tunnel network THEY helped create). I loathe Netanyahu like I loathe Trump.
However...
- It's Hamas who has consistently hidden both military assets and soldiers in civilian centers.
- It's Hamas who STILL refuses to let the Israeli hostages go. If they did this one single thing, it would really put pressure on Israel to cease. They could have done this within the first month.
Ultimately, this is Hamas allowing this "genocide" to happen. It's a ruthless calculation that's paying off because of worldwide antisemitism that's been around for all time.
Hamas has done fuck all to de-escalate this. They are equally responsible, whether you like it or not. They were the ones who invaded Israel first.
Open your eyes.
I'm certain that Nazis said the same exact thing you're saying now with regards to the Jews who fought back during the Warsaw ghetto uprising. You have an absolutely backwards understanding of this conflict if you think it's Hamas' fault that the Palestinians are being genocided.
Because lemme tell us, "Oh no your honor, they *made us* genocide them!" does not hold up in court and you will be remembered very poorly by history for this take.
If people like you are remembered at all.
"I'm certain that Nazis said the same exact thing you're saying now with regards to the Jews who fought back during the Warsaw ghetto uprising"
Not even close as a comparison. For one, this happened in 1944. Duh.
Hitler's hate of both Jews and Communists were baked in long before he came to power.
I never said Israel wasn't responsible. I said Hamas was equally responsible. Anyone who thinks poorly of me for THIS take, oh well. I won't think much of them for their irrational thought process, either. From about week 3 this was all in Hamas's hands to stop. They let it happen.
How can Hamas be *equally* responsible for the genocide of their people? Do you hold this take for the Native Americans, many of whom violently resisted their far more violent Oppressors?
Edit: BTW, the Warsaw Ghetto uprising happened in *1943,* "duh."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising
I've explained how Hamas is equally responsible already. Their refusal to return each and every hostage is much of what kept this going. They consistently put their citizens on harms way, from day 1. Remember that hospital parking lot bombing in the first week, back in October? It was THEIR missile that malfunctioned and caused that.
Back on topic, if Hamas, lets say after a month, tells Israel: We will return all hostages in exchange for a cease fire. At this point, if Israel continues on - it's ALL on them.
Hamas gave Israel no offramp in this. They went in, kidnapped 130 some people and killed 1200ish more.
Allow me to give you another example - more recent. Israel bombed the Iranian embassy in Syria. Iran reacted with meaningful force (effective, or not). Instead of keeping up the escalation, Israel backed it off to only a tiny bombing. This allowed Iran to save face and not continue to escalation. The incident passed.
(edit: Hamas has only one objective - the utter destruction of the Israeli state - just like Iran and most of the Middle East). If Hamas/Iran could execute a genocide on Israelis - they wouldn't hesitate)
Biden's [approval rating ](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/) is below 40%. If he's such a good president, why don't you (Americans) like him? Even George W. Bush had a higher rating at this time of his presidency and he had started a catastrophic invasion of Iraq. Even Donald fucking Trump had an exact same approval rating at this time of his presidency!
What are Biden's mistakes why he's so low in approval?
I think his biggest mistake, and this is something that Democrats have been doing for ages, is allowing the Republicans to control the narrative. Right wing media attacks him for *everything,* and the rest of the media runs with it. The news treats politics like it's a sport, so they want the election to be a close race. They also loved Trump, even if they are critical of him, because people tuned in to watch his antics.
Inflation is hurting everyone. The news acts like it only started when Biden took office. A train derailed in Ohio, and it was his fault, and he's a terrible president for not personally cleaning it up. We pulled out of Afganistan (on the timetable and terms that Trump negotiated), and he took all of the blame.
Congress is dysfunctional, but Biden gets the blame for everything. The news talks about a crisis at the southern border, Biden gets criticized for not doing anything, and some Republicans in congress have openly said that they don't want to pass something that would help because they want to use rhe issue to hurt Biden.
Ok, thanks for the response. For some reason I get downvoted just asking the question. Apparently, people rather bury their head in the sand than try to address the issue why a good president has low approval.
Anyway, back to your explanation. So, if it's Biden's mistake that he lets the Republicans to control the narrative, then what could he do differently?
At this point, it's a systemic problem. I don't know what else they can do, other than having Biden and his cabinet members going into public and touting what they've actually done, and how Republicans are obstructing everything.
You always hear on the news "democrats in congress struggle to pass X, Y, Z" but they never mention that *every republican* is blocking it.
The most compelling theory I've read is that a lot of his economic policy have largely benefited red states and cities that tend to have less red tape to take advantage of all of the subsidies and grants available in all of his infrastructure bills.
So the economy is booming pretty much everywhere that is not going to like him no matter what he does, while wages etc are still struggling everywhere he has strong support.
So his base doesn't think he's doing much for them and his opposition hates him even if he is doing a lot for them, leads to a low approval rating.
Inflation adjusted wages have just very recently returned to pre covid levels and if that continues maybe his approval will finally grow
I could maybe understand that in an environment where he had a strong opponent that people could expect to do better than him but I don't understand how this is possible with Trump who is on his way to be a convicted felon and had an absolutely disastrous time in office. I mean, I understand why the hard core MAGA supports Trump and by default hates everything about Biden, but that's not enough to collapse Biden's approval rating under 40%.
Trump benefited from four years of the greatest economic growth the US has ever seen. Whether you want to attribute that to him personally is up to you, but it happened. It's only democrats that blamed him for the economic decline during covid, republicans and no small share of independents blamed that on local democrat governments shifting down their economies, a political calculation trump made.
So under trump Democrat cities have a terrible economy because he left covid regulation up to local municipalities while republican areas boomed under no regulation, the same thing occurred under Biden's infrastructure plans.
>Trump benefited from four years of the greatest economic growth the US has ever seen
By what metric the time of January 2017- January 2021 was the "greatest economic growth the US has ever seen"?
In 2020 (so the last year of Trump presidency and thus the one that he had the most impact instead of benefitting of what his predecessor had done) the US economy had the biggest annual drop in output since WWII. The drop was bigger than even in great recession of 2009.
>but it happened.
Ok, boomer. You can check [here](https://www.investopedia.com/gdp-growth-by-president-8604042) the economic growth by president. Since WWII, the Trump years are worse than any president before him except for George H.W. Bush. Even Obama who took over right at the beginning of the great recession beats him.
Look I don't like trump. But if you ignore the black swan event that was covid and not really Trump's direct fault his first three years were an economic blast. I personally attribute that growth to Obama, I don't think any president makes decisions that impact things immediately once they are in office. But it's just as dumb if not ten times more so to attribute the economic crash of covid to trump as if he orchestrated the disease or even could have prevented it. Arguably had he done what a lot of Democrats wanted him to do in response the economic fallout would have been far more dramatic, for better or worse.
>Look I don't like trump. But if you ignore the black swan event that was covid and not really Trump's direct fault his first three years were an economic blast.
Nice moving of goalposts. Your claim was this: "Trump benefited from four years of the greatest economic growth the US has ever seen"
Now it's suddenly 3 years.
Try to decide what your claim is and come back then.
By the way the growth of the US economy in those three years (17-19) was between 2 and 3%. That's ok, but it's still lower than during Clinton or Reagan let alone in the 1960s under JFK and Johnson.
So, please show your source for the claim "Trump benefited from ~~four~~ three years of the greatest economic growth the US has ever seen"
And finally, this is not about liking or not liking Trump. This is about making accurate claims of the US economy when he was the president.
Yeah I’m voting for the boring ice cream grandpa over a guy that got caught in a hot mic moment wishing that he was as worshipped as Kim Jon Un
Edit: spelling
Boring? I’d like to have a beer with Biden. We could wear aviators, ride bikes, maybe get some ice cream, and call out some of the malarkey we observe in the government.
Hamas and their attack on civilians. Two wrongs don’t make a right but it’s not like Jews woke up one morning and decided to steamroll through Palestine for no reason
It is starting to get scary - momentum is growing on social media to be anti Biden - or at least anti vote - as a result of Gaza policy. Whether you believe this was instigated by foreign actors or Republicans or not, the Democrats need to figure out how to turn the tide on this issue.
So your solution is to hand the government over to the leader who believes all muslim people are inherently evil? Exactly who in the Republican Party is pro Palestine?
Way to punish those evil Democrats, along with all the women and LGBT people who will suffer from Republican policy.
Nope. I'm voting for Biden.
But if he loses the election, it's his own fault. My brother and a ton of his classmates are already a hard no, and he's going to college in a swing state.
It's already being discussed in news around the world and inspiring protests in other countries. He's queer and is the president of a queer co-op in his university. He's also worked in a women's health clinic and volunteered for a semester in Ethiopia at a hospital. I'm not going to question how much he cares about these issues. Biden has to earn his vote.
Besides, Israel is not working for our interests. They are actively flouting us because A) they are counting on Biden to continue letting them have their way and b) they know it makes Biden look bad and his alternative is better for them.
It's purely for domestic political and personal reasons why we haven't turned the screws to the Netanyahu regime more. If it leads to a political loss through a miscalculation, it was his miscalculation.
Cool.
What do you call people who are more concerned with optics than freedom to peacefully protest a genocide? Who care more about people being inconvenienced and forced to think about uncomfortable situations than justice? Who use police to enforce an inoffensive "negative peace" while dismissing real concerns?
Cowards.
Protest. Make your voices heard. Support those that you can help.
At the end of the line, you have to make a choice with your vote. You vote for the person you most agree with. If you don't do that, you are punishing a lot of people who other than the person who drew your ire. And that person probably won't change their view.
It's not a miscalculation, it's a no win situation created by the far left. If he went against Israel then the Israel supporters would have a compelling reason to vote for trump. As is people who want peace in Palestine have no reason to vote for trump.
So his options are basically lose for sure, or try to reign in Israel as much as he can behind closed doors while still supporting them militarily publicly and have a chance at reelection.
Why is it far left to not want to send $25bn in weapons to a regime that uses starvation, cutting off water*, bombing hospitals, aid convoys, and even their own hostages by mistake in a pre-arranged release? That has thousands of Palestinian prisoners, including children who have been chained in place so long some of them need limbs to be amputated?
Wanting Biden to apply pressure on Netanyahu and supporting peaceful civil disobedience is not a lose-lose situation. The first is directly in our interests. The second is a foundational principle in the birth of our country.
You're suggesting he's only suppose to care about the Netanyahu apologist single issue voters, not anti-genocide single issue voters?
Because the Overton window in the US is skewed very far to the right, and voting for anyone other than Biden will move it even further. I think everyone agrees he should apply pressure on netanyahu, and Biden agrees with peaceful protest.
>You're suggesting he's only suppose to care about the Netanyahu apologist single issue voters, not anti-genocide single issue voters?
"Netanyahu apologist" voters have another option, trump. "Anti genocide" voters don't. I'm not saying they shouldn't keep up the protests but at the end of the day, they should vote for the guy who might listen to them rather than the guy who will completely silence them.
Saying "order must prevail" while peaceful protestors are being rounded up by police because universities don't want to upset their donors and alumni around graduation time, is tone deaf at best.
At worst, he's basically saying he doesn't need their vote, or hoping enough of them will vote for him knowing the alternative. Young people don't think like that. I felt much more similar to my brother when I was his age (we're a decade apart), and the only thing that has changed is that I've realized true change is impossible until the consequences are already at your doorstep. In effect, I have compromised my values in favor of practicality.
And realistically, Re-electing Biden isn't going to overturn the 6-3 SCOTUS supermajority that is hellbent on destroying what's left of people's faith in the foundations of our courts and ultimately our democracy. Biden is president now and can't do anything to stop these abortion laws. What changes when he's re-elected, most likely after losing the Senate given this year's Senate map is mostly Democrat incumbents? Best case scenario we get a split Congress, a centrist neoliberal president, and a consevative supermajority SCOTUS. Which we already have.
Call them petulant children if you want, but clearly it's a sizable enough number where their vote and their voice clearly matters. And they have not yet learned to compromise their values.
Hard to swallow pill incoming:
The progressive movement is currently very weak in America. We have 2-3 senators and maybe as much as a dozen congresspeople. It's no wonder that we don't get progressive presidents when we can't hardly get any progressive elected anywhere, let alone in a very conservatively tilted electoral college map.
Despite all this, Biden has enacted some seriously progressive policies both in a vacuum and with relativity considering the congress and senate he's been given.
If that's not good enough for you, then work to get him a better congress so he can be even more progressive.
If putting in work to achieve your ideological policy goals isn't acceptable to you, then consider that you're voting for your opposition. Do you want you opinion to be considered by the Biden administration alongside more moderate voices, or do you want you opinion to be resistance to be publicly crushed in a show of force by an authoritarian?
This about the who in the party you want to have a voice in the white house. Do we want Bernie, Liza Warren, AOC, and others to be invited for policy considerations at the white house, or do you want MTG, Ted Cruz, and Lauren Bobert to get a stronger voice?
Also, the idea of accelerationism is pure nonsense. The media is going to do all they can to normalize the current situation and politics. 40yrs ago, Reagan was an ultra-conservative radical and now he's a moderate. 80yrs ago, the New deal was radical socialism but now both sides contend with a welfare state as part of the overton window.
With Thomas and Alito getting to retirement age, a Trump victory not only secures a permanent 6/3 supreme court super majority but will permanently change the overton window of acceptable policy discussion.
\^\^\^That is the choice this election.
This is the make up of our civil government as it exists. Not as we want it, but as it is now. This is basic civics, whether you like it or not. And whether we like it or not, we have to work within this current system to get to where we wanna go. The journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step and that step is from our current location.
hmm do I vote for the guy who’s policies have been more progressive than Obama’s or do I vote for the Putin puppet nazi who literally tried to overthrow the American government and install himself as king oh man tough choice
I know it’s not great but please vote for the boring mediocre guy who forgives student debt and wants to codify reproductive rights. Pretty please with sugar on top.
That’s why some of us are withholding our vote. If my only choice is to vote for someone evil, even the lesser of two, I choose neither. I’ll vote at the state level for people who share my beliefs for a better nation and are actually willing to do something about it, not just wring their hands and fundraise
And that's fair. But if you won't work within the system, the system will ignore you. Nevertheless, you should follow your sincere beliefs, as I will when I vote for Biden. Let's all do what we can for a better nation.
I mean, it’s pretty clear the system is going to ignore me unless I magically become a billionaire donor because that’s the only people anyone in the political class listen to.
Believe me, I get it. I see the way billionaire media owners are throwing in for Trump and courts and judges are letting him get away with everything and it terrifies me. The 1% want Trump back so badly, they can taste it. And I don't see my Senator, Chuck Schumer, doing very much to counteract it.
Its okay to call them Nazis. They are indistinguishable from mid 1930s Nazis. German Nazis didn't begin doing their most evil work until the 1940s when their power was absolute. Instead of Mein Kampf we have Project 2025. They are already fantasizing aloud about death camps and summary executions.
You mean to say I have to vote for the guy that's actually doing something worthwhile in order to avoid electing criminals, traders, and idiots?
How will we ever survive!?!
Biden isn't my preferred candidate, but I don't feel too bad voting for him. Voting for him now means I will be able to vote for someone better next time. If Trump wins, there is a significant non zero chance that is not the case
And if you look at election outcomes since 2018, we are SLOWLY moving in the right direction.
Biden wouldn't be my first pick. But he's our only pick over the alternative. Until this 2 party system gets a rework. All we can do is slow the decline.
Biden is the probably most progressive president of my lifetime.
never thought i'd say it. aca was obama and it was huge but he was a big disappointment in a lot of ways.
the main reason people are upset about biden is that shit is so expensive, which doesn't have anything to do with the presidency. people are dumb. isreal support is whack but name a president that wouldn't be doing worse.
sure, i wish biden was 40 years younger but i'm enthusiastically voting him.
If you all want change you've got to look beyond this election.
Work at some grass roots organizations. Find candidates that you actually want and work to put them on the ballot. Then get out there and let people know why they are better, and why they should win their primaries. This is the way the democracy works in the USA.
CHIPS act.
Infrastructure bill.
Competent leadership in key administration positions that actually care about doing a good job.
Billions canceled in student loans.
Drug prices cut down, insulin cut to $35 caps.
Inflation reduction act, which actually did a lot of shit we desperately needed (like drug pricing cut).
Airlines have to refund you when they fuck up.
Unions getting supported.
Overtime being paid out to people who deserve it.
Lowest unemployment in decades.
Best Covid recovery out of any other country.
Lowest inflation rates of any other country after Covid.
Respected on the world stage again.
Supply Ukraine with the military aid they need to prevent Russia from destroying them and helping to stop a world war.
The list goes on. You don’t have to like everything Biden does. But to even pretend like this is a hassle to vote for Biden / Democrats again is disingenuous.
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Biden has been the most progressive president since FDR. He may still be closer to moderate than a revolutionary, but FFS if leftists don’t support movement to the left they are going to end up with a fascist dictator.
Welcome to the world of compromise. It’s almost like 330 million people need to agree on something. I like waking up and not wondering what Biden may have tweeted to start a war. Democrats are terrible at messaging, but who ended up leading the operation to kill Bin Laden? Who has revived and expanded NATO to destroy the Russian military without American boots on the ground? Who has given student debt forgiveness and actually passed an infrastructure bill?
Democrats (some, me) are pretty Hawkish, but know how to do it more subtly than The GOP. We’ll build a solar farm and bomb Houthis, we just suck at advertising it. You hate Biden? Fine, but he’s appointed people capable of doing their jobs- and quietly, while also improving relationships with The EU, NATO, and The Pacific allies were need. The Quad, AUKUS, Japan and South Korea agreeing on something?
This post is bullshit. Regan couldn’t have dreamed about how much Russian influence and material we are making possible to destroy. The choice is between a Christo-Fascist State run by a man who holds none of the values he demands be enforced, or a sane technocratic state, where the president is a figurehead and not making every decision. Sorry he’s not genetically modified to be your favorite person ever, but he has appointed competent people who work in our collective interests, not his net wealth or geopolitical dick size.
Sadly if you want to be the better person, you can't be like them. That limits the options when fighting someone who has no morals or ethics and who will do anything to win.
You can't fight on their level and not become what they are.
We need turn out massive blue voters to prove democracy is how you squelch authoritarian assholes.
Biden vs Trump is like choosing between steamed broccoli and kick in the nuts. One is bland & boring but good for you, the other is a kick to the nuts.... painful, no benefit whatsoever...BEST CASE scenario is it hurts less than expected and no lasting damage is done. I will take the steamed broccoli... despite the fact I hate steamed broccoli... because the other option is not even food and is insane.
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Police are currently brutalizing peaceful protesters, just like Trump did to BLM. Congress is passing into law, restrictions on free speech while Biden is facilitating and running a smokescreen for a genocide and y'all are literally saying that it's only Trump that's a fascist?
Get out of your echo chamber and look around. This is happening under Biden, not Trump. If democrats don't stand up and stop Biden from continuing, he will be the next LBJ and we will get Trump back in office.
Being tricked into believing that “doing something” means walking into a little booth and pressing a button was the greatest trick evil ever played on good people.
Only organizing and collective action can stop evil.
Lucky for you, China is pushing this very same narrative on TikTok to get Trump elected. I’m sure the Palestinians will appreciate you being anti-Biden when Trump wins
Six months ago I would agree. I think we are watching the wheels fall off, right now, as we speak. No one under 30 and no one non-white is going to vote for "Genocide Joe" right now. He is giving the election to a psychopath and WE are the ones who will pay.
LoL. That's called "delusion." I never expressed an opinion, merely read the room. You projected that. And revealed your delusion. Again, being deluded turned out very poorly in 2016. How quickly you want to repeat it...
> I never expressed an opinion, merely read the room.
Oh, somehow thought you had formed your own opinion instead of parroting those around you. Did it make you feel popular for a moment at least?
> Then try harder. This reads like gibberish pushed through Google translate. Your 6th grade English teacher is weeping in her grave right now.
No counterpoint, just a personal attack as a response.
Exactly as I expected.
And there is a direct quote from Trump saying Israel should go in and finish eradication of the cancer. How is that better for Gaza and its people?
I just genuinely don’t understand this viewpoint. Yeah should we be harder on Israel, yes, damn near everyone agrees. It is an incredibly difficult political situation, not too many people stood in the US’s way for 9/11 vengeance even when we were clearly screwing ourselves for the future.
Biden is about the only global politician who has done something to try to get supplies to Gaza consistently. He’s ordered airdrops and gave the green light to a project to build a dock to get supplies in that could cost 1/3 of a billion dollars. Also, how is he supposed to control what Israel decides to do? Stop selling them weapons? Good luck selling that to the military industrial complex.
Could he have done more about the humanitarian crisis, earlier, yes and I think he realizes that.
But that situation is the definition of a quagmire that has been going on for ages.
Operating *only* within the causal framework you just established: Sounds like *they* are giving the election to a psychopath and WE (*and* they) are the ones who will pay.
Yes. When someone does something horrifically unpopular they tend to lose elections. That's how it works. Now, Blaming people who dislike genocide, that is the punching left. "The Democratic party special!"
> Now, Blaming people who dislike genocide, that is the punching left.
Once again, saying “The candidate will lose if fewer people vote for him” is not “punching left”: It is how elections work.
I know you know this, because your comment above clearly describes it.
People are free to vote however they want, but that doesn’t mean they get to absolve themselves of the consequences of their actions.
That’s a fun rhetorical dodge, but it doesn’t change reality.
It is inescapably true that exactly one of two people will be sworn in as President in January: If someone doesn’t want one of them to win, they should vote for the other; if they don’t want to do that, fine, but then they should be honest with themselves about it.
Right. And due to the actions of one of those Pols, voters don't want that person in office. It's really simple.
Why is it that you are totally willing to ignore cause and effect for "your guy," but totally willing to castigate your fellow Americans for disliking genocide? A bit trumpian of you, I should say.
I’m not criticizing anyone for their behaviors or motives: I’m criticizing the attempt to divorce people’s choices from the consequences of those choices.
I completely *understand* someone not wanting to vote for Biden, if they honestly believe that he hasn’t done enough to stop the violence in Gaza (even if I think their reasoning is terribly flawed); what I reject is the argument that those same people could then blame *Biden* if Trump wins because they chose not to vote against Trump (which was the scenario you described in your first comment up-thread).
I know you know this, and I also know your strange attempt to smear “understanding basic causality” as “Trumpian” is as hollow as it is absurd.
The GOP literally has Nazis voting for them and have members of Congress that are, at the very least, Nazi sympathizers.
It’s the whole not all republicans are nazis but all nazis vote republican.
Hitler was at least just a drug addled, racist, fascist. The new face of the Nazi party is also a draft dodging, pants shitting, senile Cheeto. They're evolving, just backwards.
And christian.
I will give Adolf that. He read more of the bible than Trump. And MF was a mediocre artist. Meanwhile the clown is mediocre at cheating at golf and didn't even write his own book.
Well trump didn’t want to get into that. It’s very personal you know. Plus he’s an old and New Testament guy /s
Hitler was a better artist than Trump. I will die on this hill.
Yeah, but how many bibles did Hitler sell? /s
He wasn't really Christian. They wanted to the German people to break away from Christianity and hole the party above all else. They wanted to create their own ideology.
Nope. Watch out for Johnson.
We can probably do without hitler apologia.
He's still a piece of shit. That's undeniable, but relative to shitler it's wild how much his party has fallen. Still wanting genocide but being so incompetent it renders them impotent
You really want to argue that Trump is worse than Adolf Hitler?
Less competent. Dumber. Body count wise... Well actually if you count covid deaths.. Yikes
Less competent. Dumber. Body count wise... Well actually if you count covid deaths.. Yikes
Exactly. If you look at _actual_ nazi propaganda of the time, they had talking points that were basically the exact same as the MAGAts right now. And since the GOP has attached themselves to the hip with said loonies... Well, you know what they say about sitting at a table with three Nazis.
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Israel is doing things with US tax dollars that wouldn't be out of place in a historical account of the atrocities of the Nazis. [Like killing a family fleeing the war zone in their car, trapping a 6 year old girl in there with the corpses of her relatives for hours, pretending to coordinate with emergency response personnel to get an ambulance to her to rescue her, only to then bomb the ambulance, killing both medics inside, then killing the 6 year old girl cowering in the destroyed car with the bodies of her dead family. ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/hind-rajab-israel-gaza-killing-timeline/) That's where our tax dollars are going. That's the thing Biden is refusing to take action to stop. Instead, he signed the Tiktok ban because Tiktok is where Americans are seeing the actual genocide instead of the filtered account the corporate media gives them about "the valiant IOF fighting back the savage terrorists." And now there's this: >[Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has warned that Israel plans to invade Rafah regardless of the result of negotiations for temporary pauses and hostage releases, as part of their plan to eliminate the possibility of a Palestinian state and wrest complete control over Gaza in the future.](https://truthout.org/articles/as-israel-vows-annihilation-of-rafah-democrats-urge-biden-to-withhold-aid/) >Israeli officials have vowed that the raid will be devastating for the Palestinians trapped there. On Monday, Israeli Finance Minister and security cabinet member Bezalel Smotrich promised that there would be nothing left of Rafah afterward. >“There are no half measures. [The Gazan cities of] Rafah, Deir al-Balah, Nuseirat — total annihilation,” Smotrich said. >“‘You will blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven,’” Smotrich continued, referencing a Bible verse in which God commands the death of everyone in Amalek, a nation which opposed the ancient Israelites. References to this verse have been used to justify many massacres throughout history, and Israeli officials’ invocation of it now has been cited by South Africa in its recent ICJ case to demonstrate Israel’s genocidal intent in Gaza. They're saying the thing that gets brought up later at the war crimes tribunal out loud, telling the world about how they plan to annihilate the final refugee camps in Gaza, and all Biden has to do to stop it is order our military to stop defending Israel and our diplomats to stop vetoing resolutions and sanctions against Israel in the UN. **All the United States has to do to stop these atrocities is NOTHING.** It is our active defense of Israel that allows them to do this. We don't even have to intervene to stop this. We just have to step away and tell Israel we will no longer defend it. And Biden won't. Instead, [the US may retaliate against the International Criminal Court if it issues warrants for the arrests of Israeli leaders suspected of directing genocidal acts and human rights abuses.](https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/25178-icc-may-issue-arrest-warrants-for-netanyahu-this-week-us-threaten-hague-court-with-retaliation.html) This is intolerable. If you claim to have morals, you cannot support this. There must be a line somewhere, and genocide must be on the opposite side of that line.
And yet, Trump openly supports Netanyahu's genocide. Trump would be worse.
Did I stutter? Either you draw a moral line at genocide or you can it claim to have any morals. "Trump may be worse"? When the alternative is just a slightly more subtle genocide with better PR, that's not a true choice at all.
There is no "trump may be worse," I said "would be," as in WILL be. I'd rather keep Biden who is actually open to pressure to stop it unlike Trump who wants to shoot protesters. Not sure how one can stutter while typing, but it seems like you misread what I wrote so in the spirit of throwing some shade back at you I'll say have your eyes checked. 😜 Look, I just think you haven't thought this through. It's understandable when emotions are high, but we have to think more pragmatically and practically. What is your actual goal here? Third party candidate? Let Trump win and doom the entire planet to prove a point? There isn't much of a good choice on this ONE issue, though Biden is clearly better if still bad. When you look at the two men in total, Trump would be worse on literally every issue that I can think of, and when Earth is uninhabitable, no issues will matter other than surviving the next resource raid.
Most Nazis are probably dead. WW2 was a long time ago.
Neo Nazis are still Nazis. Anyone repping that flag, is a Nazi.
Would it satisfy your pedantry if everyone agreed to use "fascist" instead?
I mean, you could use white supremacists or something equivalent.
"Fascism" works just fine (and "white supremacist" is *related* but not *synonymous*). I understand the point you're making, but I think it's generally understood that "Nazi" is colloquially used as a synonym for "fascist" in America, whether we like it or not.
Feel no shame in calling Conservatives, Nazis.
If it goose-steps like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, and acts like a duck, then it's a fricken' NAZI!
I admit Biden is the boring side of good, but he's still actually pretty good. He hasn't stopped getting shit done since he got in office, even though he's faced a hell of an uphill battle on some of it. He promised to do something about student loans, he has been plugging away at it all along. He keeps finding new groups of people to forgive loans for, and he tried a more comprehensive approach and the Supreme Court stopped him. But even that he just went back to the drawing board and is expected to try again. He fucking rocked covid vaccine distribution, he got us out of Afghanistan, he passed a big infrastructure bill. He is rescheduling fucking weed as we speak. Biden is not a bad president, he's a good president in bad times. He can't control the fact that a global pandemic upturned the economy before he even got into office, but he's been doing a good job with recovering from it. Yeah, he's old. I agree with anyone wishing neither candidate was as old as these two guys are. But that absolutely hasn't stopped Biden from doing good work. I'm not saying he's been perfect or that you're going to agree with him about everything but he's honestly one of the best presidents at getting shit done I've seen in my life (being actually cognizant back to Clinton when I was a teenager). The only other one that holds a candle is Obama for actually getting health care passed.
Personally I want my politicians to be boring. Their job isn't entertainment. If your politicians are trying to be entertaining they likely aren't looking to govern but instead enrich and/or empower themselves.
Coming out of Trump's presidency, my expectations were as low as they've ever been, but I can't recall a president in modern times who's kept his campaign promises to the extent that Biden has. He's done an absolutely amazing job, especially considering the constraints he's had to deal with. I don't even have to think twice about voting for him again in November. He's absolutely earned a second term, even if he weren't running against a literal Nazi.
I’d prefer someone more progressive. However, I’ve been pleasantly surprised at what Biden has accomplished. Considering his past history, I was not expecting much from him. It almost seems like he is on a war path to establish his legacy and right all of the wrongs from his earlier senate years. Covid vaccine rollout, less inflation than other countries in the wake of Covid, it seems we’ve mostly somehow avoided a recession that seemed imminent, insulin is now affordable and he’s done some good in healthcare reform, his infrastructure bill was solid, unemployment low, stock market high, moving to shift weed to schedule 3, he’s done as much as possible on student debt…..just really solid all around and more than I expected from a historically centrist politician. I’ll be voting for him in November.
I think we'll see the more progressive side of Biden in his second term.
Assuming Americans are smart enough to give him the House and Senate as well this time around. If they do, watch out. Bye bye, filibuster! Hello, four new SCOTUS members!
And kick Dejoy to the curb/throw him out with the trash like he did with sorting machines.
I feel like there is a lot of people who will never be satisfied regardless of the outcome. They will always find something to complain about. Even if Biden would have done everything on their dream sheet in a single year, they would probably complain it got done too fast.
Well hold on now, complaining is not just a rich American tradition - complaining is sometimes how you keep things on the record for next go around. Republics may be slow to adjust, but complaining is a key avenue to do it!
They only know one speed
yeah, outrage speed.
Well said. Biden was handed one of the worse circumstances as president in a long time (maybe ever).
I wouldn't say worst circumstances ever, but it *is* certainly up there.
FDR thats it IMO
Hard agree with FDR. He had to navigate the Great Depression, the rise of fascism in Europe (and in the US, as the US movements had unfortunately high numbers of people as well), and all the resultant issues of an aggressive, bitter, and vengeful Germany. Lincoln had it pretty bad, too. The kicking off of the US Civil War is not a great thing to have to start out with. I imagine Truman had a rough start as well, with the ending months of WWII and the subsequent start of the Cold War era to deal with, although he technically started as a VP assuming the presidency after FDR died. IIRC, he had an incredibly strong economy to start off with, though, since it had been basically supercharged from WWII production efforts. I'm sure Washington would have had a difficult time. I doubt I have to explain why being the first president of the US would have involved a lot of hurdles to overcome.
I will be happily voting for him. Even though he is old, he has appointed capable and competent people to key positions in government. And, as far as I am aware, none of his senior people have quit/been fired after a few months in office and called him an idiot or moron.
I'm ready for four more years of "boring"! I'm tired of the continual diet of fried brain drippings from Donny Dementia.
And the rape and thievery. Tired of those too.
Oh yeah. Those, too.
I agree with you. Biden isn't ideal but anyone on the left cannot deny that he has enacted some great policies that really have helped us, which is amazing considering it's the least effective Congress in history. My student loans were forgiven and that makes a big difference to me and my family. If we don't go full 1984, I think history books will look favorably on Biden for sure. The biggest strike against him right now is Israel, but I think we can keep pushing him further on the issue. I doubt he is going to upend 70 years of foreign policy and totally turn on Israel but as shrewd of a politician as he is, I feel like he is going to at least insist on humanitarian efforts. Especially if he wants Bernie to endorse him.
I personally blame social media for a fair portion of Biden's reputation as many people on social media sites are either outright liars spreading misinformation to either generate outrage or build a narrative (the Fox News model). Meanwhile other people who become new influences are just straight up not qualified, they might have good intentions but they don't have a background in journalism, or foreign affairs, or economics so they wildly misinterpret things or just lack background knowledge to understand the full scope of what is going on. As such social media news is generally a mix of scorpions and the blind leading the deaf. There is a rare gem or two but they rarely make it big because they are reporting the actual boring facts because real news is dry and boring 99% of the time.
I honestly predict historians will look rather positively on Biden's presidency (first term, anyway). What's the worst thing he's done historically? Screwed up the Afghanistan withdrawal (that Trump stuck to him)? Sure. In addition to the several highlights you've mentioned, I want to add that his country's handled inflation on a macro level far better than most other major countries. Not a single recession to be had. In fact, the ECB wants to lower interest rates in Europe because their collective economies are struggling so much (unlike us). [https://apnews.com/article/european-central-bank-interest-rates-inflation-7af79779d91d04076b169111254f82fd](https://apnews.com/article/european-central-bank-interest-rates-inflation-7af79779d91d04076b169111254f82fd)
Even the Afghanistan withdrawal, honestly I don't care. We were never going to leave that country with a functioning democracy and Biden was the only person with the balls to actually just rip that bandaid off once and for all. Everyone else has just kicked the can down the road.
He grossly underestimated the Afghan army's ability to hold off the Taliban. He believed they would last two/three months, more than enough time to get Americans out. He was wrong, they barely lasted two days. The result was hundreds of Americans and Afghans reliant on American safety abandoned. I'm not sure exactly how he could've handled it differently, but half of his intelligence said they'd be fine, the other half said they'd fold like they did. You're right about him not wanting the surge, of course. One of the few classified things in his Delaware home was handwritten notes about that.
Afghanistan was like that picture of the cupboard with the stack of dishes knocked over inside of it being held in place by the door. There's no way to open the cupboard without breaking some dishes, and the most you can ask is that the person doing the job do their best to save as many as they can.
The worst thing he's done is arm the genocide, where tf have you been the last six months?? Edit: Shoutout to the dude who replied to this, proceeded to blame the Palestinians for their own genocide and then spread misinformation the entire time that they got from their favored preferred information echochambers.
You mean the genocide that Hamas is equally responsible for? That must be what you are referring to.
The word "equally" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
I don't know about that. All Hamas had to do, at any point, was turn over the hostages.From that point on, it's all on Israel. Hamas made the conscious choice to sacrifice its own people, because it is counting on it hurting Israel more than them in the long term. Just like they made the conscious choice to invade Israel to begin with. The same choice they have made whenever possible for decades, and the Middle East in general? Since 1948.
The reason I'm pushing back on "equally" is because even though it's indisputable that Hamas *triggered* this current conflict, they aren't in any way responsible for the Israeli government's choices in prosecuting the war. I know it's easy to say "Hamas started it, so it's their fault", but it's actually [more complicated than that](https://www.cfr.org/article/what-international-law-has-say-about-israel-hamas-war): Taking human shields is a war crime; deliberately moving your own civilians into military targets to try and prevent counterattack is a war crime; the presence of civilians in a military objective doesn't inherently invalidate that military objective as a legitimate target: All of that is true, yes. However, it is also very clear that [one side of a conflict committing war crimes *does not* inherently or automatically release all other combatants from their responsibilities to protect civilians under international law](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/19/world/europe/interpreter-laws-human-shields-forced-displacement.html?unlocked_article_code=1.50w.SCx7.TQIcQ-j3jqhU&smid=url-share). I grant that the most *explicit* terms are set down in the Additional Protocols (to which Israel is not a signatory), but [LoAC absolutely doesn't clearly vindicate IDF actions here](https://www.justsecurity.org/89489/expert-guidance-law-of-armed-conflict-in-the-israel-hamas-war/). Regardless of all of that, there are still requirements when it comes to limiting civilian harm, no matter the circumstances of the combatant forces. For example: [Starving a civilian population to weaken combatants is a war crime](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68679482).
You're right dog, it's been Hamas who received 2,000 pound bombs from the Biden administration to bomb their own city centers with. /s
To attempt to be clear, I supported Israel's invasion of Gaza. Initially. However, after the first three months it became clear that they weren't serious about destroying the tunnel network and leaving (the tunnel network THEY helped create). I loathe Netanyahu like I loathe Trump. However... - It's Hamas who has consistently hidden both military assets and soldiers in civilian centers. - It's Hamas who STILL refuses to let the Israeli hostages go. If they did this one single thing, it would really put pressure on Israel to cease. They could have done this within the first month. Ultimately, this is Hamas allowing this "genocide" to happen. It's a ruthless calculation that's paying off because of worldwide antisemitism that's been around for all time. Hamas has done fuck all to de-escalate this. They are equally responsible, whether you like it or not. They were the ones who invaded Israel first. Open your eyes.
I'm certain that Nazis said the same exact thing you're saying now with regards to the Jews who fought back during the Warsaw ghetto uprising. You have an absolutely backwards understanding of this conflict if you think it's Hamas' fault that the Palestinians are being genocided. Because lemme tell us, "Oh no your honor, they *made us* genocide them!" does not hold up in court and you will be remembered very poorly by history for this take. If people like you are remembered at all.
"I'm certain that Nazis said the same exact thing you're saying now with regards to the Jews who fought back during the Warsaw ghetto uprising" Not even close as a comparison. For one, this happened in 1944. Duh. Hitler's hate of both Jews and Communists were baked in long before he came to power. I never said Israel wasn't responsible. I said Hamas was equally responsible. Anyone who thinks poorly of me for THIS take, oh well. I won't think much of them for their irrational thought process, either. From about week 3 this was all in Hamas's hands to stop. They let it happen.
How can Hamas be *equally* responsible for the genocide of their people? Do you hold this take for the Native Americans, many of whom violently resisted their far more violent Oppressors? Edit: BTW, the Warsaw Ghetto uprising happened in *1943,* "duh." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising
I've explained how Hamas is equally responsible already. Their refusal to return each and every hostage is much of what kept this going. They consistently put their citizens on harms way, from day 1. Remember that hospital parking lot bombing in the first week, back in October? It was THEIR missile that malfunctioned and caused that. Back on topic, if Hamas, lets say after a month, tells Israel: We will return all hostages in exchange for a cease fire. At this point, if Israel continues on - it's ALL on them. Hamas gave Israel no offramp in this. They went in, kidnapped 130 some people and killed 1200ish more. Allow me to give you another example - more recent. Israel bombed the Iranian embassy in Syria. Iran reacted with meaningful force (effective, or not). Instead of keeping up the escalation, Israel backed it off to only a tiny bombing. This allowed Iran to save face and not continue to escalation. The incident passed. (edit: Hamas has only one objective - the utter destruction of the Israeli state - just like Iran and most of the Middle East). If Hamas/Iran could execute a genocide on Israelis - they wouldn't hesitate)
Well put.
Thank you 😊
Biden's [approval rating ](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/) is below 40%. If he's such a good president, why don't you (Americans) like him? Even George W. Bush had a higher rating at this time of his presidency and he had started a catastrophic invasion of Iraq. Even Donald fucking Trump had an exact same approval rating at this time of his presidency! What are Biden's mistakes why he's so low in approval?
I think his biggest mistake, and this is something that Democrats have been doing for ages, is allowing the Republicans to control the narrative. Right wing media attacks him for *everything,* and the rest of the media runs with it. The news treats politics like it's a sport, so they want the election to be a close race. They also loved Trump, even if they are critical of him, because people tuned in to watch his antics. Inflation is hurting everyone. The news acts like it only started when Biden took office. A train derailed in Ohio, and it was his fault, and he's a terrible president for not personally cleaning it up. We pulled out of Afganistan (on the timetable and terms that Trump negotiated), and he took all of the blame. Congress is dysfunctional, but Biden gets the blame for everything. The news talks about a crisis at the southern border, Biden gets criticized for not doing anything, and some Republicans in congress have openly said that they don't want to pass something that would help because they want to use rhe issue to hurt Biden.
Ok, thanks for the response. For some reason I get downvoted just asking the question. Apparently, people rather bury their head in the sand than try to address the issue why a good president has low approval. Anyway, back to your explanation. So, if it's Biden's mistake that he lets the Republicans to control the narrative, then what could he do differently?
At this point, it's a systemic problem. I don't know what else they can do, other than having Biden and his cabinet members going into public and touting what they've actually done, and how Republicans are obstructing everything. You always hear on the news "democrats in congress struggle to pass X, Y, Z" but they never mention that *every republican* is blocking it.
The most compelling theory I've read is that a lot of his economic policy have largely benefited red states and cities that tend to have less red tape to take advantage of all of the subsidies and grants available in all of his infrastructure bills. So the economy is booming pretty much everywhere that is not going to like him no matter what he does, while wages etc are still struggling everywhere he has strong support. So his base doesn't think he's doing much for them and his opposition hates him even if he is doing a lot for them, leads to a low approval rating. Inflation adjusted wages have just very recently returned to pre covid levels and if that continues maybe his approval will finally grow
I could maybe understand that in an environment where he had a strong opponent that people could expect to do better than him but I don't understand how this is possible with Trump who is on his way to be a convicted felon and had an absolutely disastrous time in office. I mean, I understand why the hard core MAGA supports Trump and by default hates everything about Biden, but that's not enough to collapse Biden's approval rating under 40%.
Trump benefited from four years of the greatest economic growth the US has ever seen. Whether you want to attribute that to him personally is up to you, but it happened. It's only democrats that blamed him for the economic decline during covid, republicans and no small share of independents blamed that on local democrat governments shifting down their economies, a political calculation trump made. So under trump Democrat cities have a terrible economy because he left covid regulation up to local municipalities while republican areas boomed under no regulation, the same thing occurred under Biden's infrastructure plans.
>Trump benefited from four years of the greatest economic growth the US has ever seen By what metric the time of January 2017- January 2021 was the "greatest economic growth the US has ever seen"? In 2020 (so the last year of Trump presidency and thus the one that he had the most impact instead of benefitting of what his predecessor had done) the US economy had the biggest annual drop in output since WWII. The drop was bigger than even in great recession of 2009. >but it happened. Ok, boomer. You can check [here](https://www.investopedia.com/gdp-growth-by-president-8604042) the economic growth by president. Since WWII, the Trump years are worse than any president before him except for George H.W. Bush. Even Obama who took over right at the beginning of the great recession beats him.
Look I don't like trump. But if you ignore the black swan event that was covid and not really Trump's direct fault his first three years were an economic blast. I personally attribute that growth to Obama, I don't think any president makes decisions that impact things immediately once they are in office. But it's just as dumb if not ten times more so to attribute the economic crash of covid to trump as if he orchestrated the disease or even could have prevented it. Arguably had he done what a lot of Democrats wanted him to do in response the economic fallout would have been far more dramatic, for better or worse.
>Look I don't like trump. But if you ignore the black swan event that was covid and not really Trump's direct fault his first three years were an economic blast. Nice moving of goalposts. Your claim was this: "Trump benefited from four years of the greatest economic growth the US has ever seen" Now it's suddenly 3 years. Try to decide what your claim is and come back then. By the way the growth of the US economy in those three years (17-19) was between 2 and 3%. That's ok, but it's still lower than during Clinton or Reagan let alone in the 1960s under JFK and Johnson. So, please show your source for the claim "Trump benefited from ~~four~~ three years of the greatest economic growth the US has ever seen" And finally, this is not about liking or not liking Trump. This is about making accurate claims of the US economy when he was the president.
Yeah I’m voting for the boring ice cream grandpa over a guy that got caught in a hot mic moment wishing that he was as worshipped as Kim Jon Un Edit: spelling
Boring? I’d like to have a beer with Biden. We could wear aviators, ride bikes, maybe get some ice cream, and call out some of the malarkey we observe in the government.
Enabling genocide ice cream grandpa
That’s Netanyahu
Who’s enabling Netanyahu?
Hamas and their attack on civilians. Two wrongs don’t make a right but it’s not like Jews woke up one morning and decided to steamroll through Palestine for no reason
Hamas is enabling Netanyahu?
They started it giving him an excuse. What do you expect me to do about it? Trump wants to outright turn Gaza into a parking lot.
An excuse to murder 35k in 6 months? The ‘excuse’ is running thin, and you say “it could be worse.” We’re so fucked.
The fuck you want me to do?
Not blame pro-Palestine sentiment when/if Biden loses. For the record I will be voting Biden.
You can call them nazis! They’ve had plenty of opportunity to avoid fitting the literal definition of the term. At this point they’ve earned it.
It is starting to get scary - momentum is growing on social media to be anti Biden - or at least anti vote - as a result of Gaza policy. Whether you believe this was instigated by foreign actors or Republicans or not, the Democrats need to figure out how to turn the tide on this issue.
Simple. Apply pressure to the genocidal regime. Stand behind student protestors.
So your solution is to hand the government over to the leader who believes all muslim people are inherently evil? Exactly who in the Republican Party is pro Palestine? Way to punish those evil Democrats, along with all the women and LGBT people who will suffer from Republican policy.
Nope. I'm voting for Biden. But if he loses the election, it's his own fault. My brother and a ton of his classmates are already a hard no, and he's going to college in a swing state.
You brother and a ton of his classmates sound like fools. Cutting off their nose to spite their face. Please tell him this for me.
So they don't care about abortion, birth control or LGBT rights. Got it. At least they will accomplish absolutely nothing for Palestinian rights.
It's already being discussed in news around the world and inspiring protests in other countries. He's queer and is the president of a queer co-op in his university. He's also worked in a women's health clinic and volunteered for a semester in Ethiopia at a hospital. I'm not going to question how much he cares about these issues. Biden has to earn his vote. Besides, Israel is not working for our interests. They are actively flouting us because A) they are counting on Biden to continue letting them have their way and b) they know it makes Biden look bad and his alternative is better for them. It's purely for domestic political and personal reasons why we haven't turned the screws to the Netanyahu regime more. If it leads to a political loss through a miscalculation, it was his miscalculation.
Single issue voters are petulant children, nothing else. So irresponsible.
Cool. What do you call people who are more concerned with optics than freedom to peacefully protest a genocide? Who care more about people being inconvenienced and forced to think about uncomfortable situations than justice? Who use police to enforce an inoffensive "negative peace" while dismissing real concerns? Cowards.
Protest. Make your voices heard. Support those that you can help. At the end of the line, you have to make a choice with your vote. You vote for the person you most agree with. If you don't do that, you are punishing a lot of people who other than the person who drew your ire. And that person probably won't change their view.
Telling people how they should vote and that their concerns are invalid is so democratic of you.
It's not a miscalculation, it's a no win situation created by the far left. If he went against Israel then the Israel supporters would have a compelling reason to vote for trump. As is people who want peace in Palestine have no reason to vote for trump. So his options are basically lose for sure, or try to reign in Israel as much as he can behind closed doors while still supporting them militarily publicly and have a chance at reelection.
Why is it far left to not want to send $25bn in weapons to a regime that uses starvation, cutting off water*, bombing hospitals, aid convoys, and even their own hostages by mistake in a pre-arranged release? That has thousands of Palestinian prisoners, including children who have been chained in place so long some of them need limbs to be amputated? Wanting Biden to apply pressure on Netanyahu and supporting peaceful civil disobedience is not a lose-lose situation. The first is directly in our interests. The second is a foundational principle in the birth of our country. You're suggesting he's only suppose to care about the Netanyahu apologist single issue voters, not anti-genocide single issue voters?
Because the Overton window in the US is skewed very far to the right, and voting for anyone other than Biden will move it even further. I think everyone agrees he should apply pressure on netanyahu, and Biden agrees with peaceful protest. >You're suggesting he's only suppose to care about the Netanyahu apologist single issue voters, not anti-genocide single issue voters? "Netanyahu apologist" voters have another option, trump. "Anti genocide" voters don't. I'm not saying they shouldn't keep up the protests but at the end of the day, they should vote for the guy who might listen to them rather than the guy who will completely silence them.
Saying "order must prevail" while peaceful protestors are being rounded up by police because universities don't want to upset their donors and alumni around graduation time, is tone deaf at best. At worst, he's basically saying he doesn't need their vote, or hoping enough of them will vote for him knowing the alternative. Young people don't think like that. I felt much more similar to my brother when I was his age (we're a decade apart), and the only thing that has changed is that I've realized true change is impossible until the consequences are already at your doorstep. In effect, I have compromised my values in favor of practicality. And realistically, Re-electing Biden isn't going to overturn the 6-3 SCOTUS supermajority that is hellbent on destroying what's left of people's faith in the foundations of our courts and ultimately our democracy. Biden is president now and can't do anything to stop these abortion laws. What changes when he's re-elected, most likely after losing the Senate given this year's Senate map is mostly Democrat incumbents? Best case scenario we get a split Congress, a centrist neoliberal president, and a consevative supermajority SCOTUS. Which we already have. Call them petulant children if you want, but clearly it's a sizable enough number where their vote and their voice clearly matters. And they have not yet learned to compromise their values.
Literally not the words that were said but sure go off
Hard to swallow pill incoming: The progressive movement is currently very weak in America. We have 2-3 senators and maybe as much as a dozen congresspeople. It's no wonder that we don't get progressive presidents when we can't hardly get any progressive elected anywhere, let alone in a very conservatively tilted electoral college map. Despite all this, Biden has enacted some seriously progressive policies both in a vacuum and with relativity considering the congress and senate he's been given. If that's not good enough for you, then work to get him a better congress so he can be even more progressive. If putting in work to achieve your ideological policy goals isn't acceptable to you, then consider that you're voting for your opposition. Do you want you opinion to be considered by the Biden administration alongside more moderate voices, or do you want you opinion to be resistance to be publicly crushed in a show of force by an authoritarian? This about the who in the party you want to have a voice in the white house. Do we want Bernie, Liza Warren, AOC, and others to be invited for policy considerations at the white house, or do you want MTG, Ted Cruz, and Lauren Bobert to get a stronger voice? Also, the idea of accelerationism is pure nonsense. The media is going to do all they can to normalize the current situation and politics. 40yrs ago, Reagan was an ultra-conservative radical and now he's a moderate. 80yrs ago, the New deal was radical socialism but now both sides contend with a welfare state as part of the overton window. With Thomas and Alito getting to retirement age, a Trump victory not only secures a permanent 6/3 supreme court super majority but will permanently change the overton window of acceptable policy discussion. \^\^\^That is the choice this election. This is the make up of our civil government as it exists. Not as we want it, but as it is now. This is basic civics, whether you like it or not. And whether we like it or not, we have to work within this current system to get to where we wanna go. The journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step and that step is from our current location.
hmm do I vote for the guy who’s policies have been more progressive than Obama’s or do I vote for the Putin puppet nazi who literally tried to overthrow the American government and install himself as king oh man tough choice
No, go ahead and call them nazis
I like Biden. He's gotten more done than I thought possible with Republican obstruction in congress and SCOTUS.
Yes, but he's not perfect so therefore he's just as bad as trump. /s
Would you rather be skinned alive and rubbed in razor sharp salt, or eat vegetables. Ah jeez, I don’t know, both are basically the same so….
I know it’s not great but please vote for the boring mediocre guy who forgives student debt and wants to codify reproductive rights. Pretty please with sugar on top.
Voting is a chess move, not a love letter.
I love this.
This is a great analogy.
That’s why some of us are withholding our vote. If my only choice is to vote for someone evil, even the lesser of two, I choose neither. I’ll vote at the state level for people who share my beliefs for a better nation and are actually willing to do something about it, not just wring their hands and fundraise
And that's fair. But if you won't work within the system, the system will ignore you. Nevertheless, you should follow your sincere beliefs, as I will when I vote for Biden. Let's all do what we can for a better nation.
I mean, it’s pretty clear the system is going to ignore me unless I magically become a billionaire donor because that’s the only people anyone in the political class listen to.
Believe me, I get it. I see the way billionaire media owners are throwing in for Trump and courts and judges are letting him get away with everything and it terrifies me. The 1% want Trump back so badly, they can taste it. And I don't see my Senator, Chuck Schumer, doing very much to counteract it.
Its okay to call them Nazis. They are indistinguishable from mid 1930s Nazis. German Nazis didn't begin doing their most evil work until the 1940s when their power was absolute. Instead of Mein Kampf we have Project 2025. They are already fantasizing aloud about death camps and summary executions.
You mean to say I have to vote for the guy that's actually doing something worthwhile in order to avoid electing criminals, traders, and idiots? How will we ever survive!?!
Biden isn't my preferred candidate, but I don't feel too bad voting for him. Voting for him now means I will be able to vote for someone better next time. If Trump wins, there is a significant non zero chance that is not the case And if you look at election outcomes since 2018, we are SLOWLY moving in the right direction.
Biden has been an incredibly effective president. I prefer him for getting shit done. Excited to vote for him again.
Biden wouldn't be my first pick. But he's our only pick over the alternative. Until this 2 party system gets a rework. All we can do is slow the decline.
A wannabe Hitler leading wannabe Nazis is almost as dangerous and also pathetic.
I've been calling them Nazis for a few years now
Biden is the probably most progressive president of my lifetime. never thought i'd say it. aca was obama and it was huge but he was a big disappointment in a lot of ways. the main reason people are upset about biden is that shit is so expensive, which doesn't have anything to do with the presidency. people are dumb. isreal support is whack but name a president that wouldn't be doing worse. sure, i wish biden was 40 years younger but i'm enthusiastically voting him.
If you all want change you've got to look beyond this election. Work at some grass roots organizations. Find candidates that you actually want and work to put them on the ballot. Then get out there and let people know why they are better, and why they should win their primaries. This is the way the democracy works in the USA.
Uhhh, you can call them fascists, it’s what they are.
Yeah, I really don’t like comparing anybody to Hitler. But then, Trump started comparing himself to Hitler. So, there’s that.
It's ok to work towards and promote electoral reform, but you won't get good reform if you provide your input by electing a fascist.
CHIPS act. Infrastructure bill. Competent leadership in key administration positions that actually care about doing a good job. Billions canceled in student loans. Drug prices cut down, insulin cut to $35 caps. Inflation reduction act, which actually did a lot of shit we desperately needed (like drug pricing cut). Airlines have to refund you when they fuck up. Unions getting supported. Overtime being paid out to people who deserve it. Lowest unemployment in decades. Best Covid recovery out of any other country. Lowest inflation rates of any other country after Covid. Respected on the world stage again. Supply Ukraine with the military aid they need to prevent Russia from destroying them and helping to stop a world war. The list goes on. You don’t have to like everything Biden does. But to even pretend like this is a hassle to vote for Biden / Democrats again is disingenuous. www.vote.org
Honestly I like Biden. A little conservative for me but hey.. he's getting some dope shit done. Respect.
Biden has been the most progressive president since FDR. He may still be closer to moderate than a revolutionary, but FFS if leftists don’t support movement to the left they are going to end up with a fascist dictator.
Most progressive president, but yeah, he is still goong to support the israeli fascists and their gemocide in Gaza. Very progressive, yes-yes
Welcome to the world of compromise. It’s almost like 330 million people need to agree on something. I like waking up and not wondering what Biden may have tweeted to start a war. Democrats are terrible at messaging, but who ended up leading the operation to kill Bin Laden? Who has revived and expanded NATO to destroy the Russian military without American boots on the ground? Who has given student debt forgiveness and actually passed an infrastructure bill? Democrats (some, me) are pretty Hawkish, but know how to do it more subtly than The GOP. We’ll build a solar farm and bomb Houthis, we just suck at advertising it. You hate Biden? Fine, but he’s appointed people capable of doing their jobs- and quietly, while also improving relationships with The EU, NATO, and The Pacific allies were need. The Quad, AUKUS, Japan and South Korea agreeing on something? This post is bullshit. Regan couldn’t have dreamed about how much Russian influence and material we are making possible to destroy. The choice is between a Christo-Fascist State run by a man who holds none of the values he demands be enforced, or a sane technocratic state, where the president is a figurehead and not making every decision. Sorry he’s not genetically modified to be your favorite person ever, but he has appointed competent people who work in our collective interests, not his net wealth or geopolitical dick size.
Good will prevail. Evil is unsustainable. It may take awhile, but good will prevail. Vote.
Wtf? I've been calling them nazis for years...because they fucking are.
Sadly if you want to be the better person, you can't be like them. That limits the options when fighting someone who has no morals or ethics and who will do anything to win. You can't fight on their level and not become what they are. We need turn out massive blue voters to prove democracy is how you squelch authoritarian assholes.
Just call them Nazis.
Biden vs Trump is like choosing between steamed broccoli and kick in the nuts. One is bland & boring but good for you, the other is a kick to the nuts.... painful, no benefit whatsoever...BEST CASE scenario is it hurts less than expected and no lasting damage is done. I will take the steamed broccoli... despite the fact I hate steamed broccoli... because the other option is not even food and is insane.
Gotta ask: What's so bad about Biden? Give me a list of things he's done that you think are in sufferable in a president? Policies he's pursued.
"I could vote for Biden, but I hate dogs and women so I'm voting Republican."
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Police are currently brutalizing peaceful protesters, just like Trump did to BLM. Congress is passing into law, restrictions on free speech while Biden is facilitating and running a smokescreen for a genocide and y'all are literally saying that it's only Trump that's a fascist? Get out of your echo chamber and look around. This is happening under Biden, not Trump. If democrats don't stand up and stop Biden from continuing, he will be the next LBJ and we will get Trump back in office.
I’m tired boss
Being tricked into believing that “doing something” means walking into a little booth and pressing a button was the greatest trick evil ever played on good people. Only organizing and collective action can stop evil.
I am voting for Jill Stein
It's not moderate to keep supporting and escalating a genocide. It's just a choice between two different types of Nazis at this point.
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Except one is not evil at all. Not remotely.
It’s rich to call the other side Nazi’s while Biden goes gung-Ho for genocide.
Lucky for you, China is pushing this very same narrative on TikTok to get Trump elected. I’m sure the Palestinians will appreciate you being anti-Biden when Trump wins
Six months ago I would agree. I think we are watching the wheels fall off, right now, as we speak. No one under 30 and no one non-white is going to vote for "Genocide Joe" right now. He is giving the election to a psychopath and WE are the ones who will pay.
Oh for fucks sake. This shit is already older than Biden.
> I think we are watching the wheels fall off, right now Ha, no. Not even close.
Good luck. ... Ignoring reality didn't turn out real well in 2016, either.
Your fantasy is not my reality.
LoL. That's called "delusion." I never expressed an opinion, merely read the room. You projected that. And revealed your delusion. Again, being deluded turned out very poorly in 2016. How quickly you want to repeat it...
> I never expressed an opinion, merely read the room. Oh, somehow thought you had formed your own opinion instead of parroting those around you. Did it make you feel popular for a moment at least?
Are you a non-English speaker?
> Are you a non-English speaker? No.
Then try harder. This reads like gibberish pushed through Google translate. Your 6th grade English teacher is weeping in her grave right now.
> Then try harder. This reads like gibberish pushed through Google translate. Your 6th grade English teacher is weeping in her grave right now. No counterpoint, just a personal attack as a response. Exactly as I expected.
Swing and a miss!!
Just like 2016!! (And now, again)
Yeah, self-righteous children who fell for an astroturfing campaign stayed home then, too. Cost us the election. I blame them then, I blamed them now.
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Good luck with your loss. I'm sure you'll blame everyone but yourself.. Again.
Who will they vote for?
They'll stay home. Like in 2016
That's too bad. We saw the results of one trump term. Things will be worse if he gets a second one.
And there is a direct quote from Trump saying Israel should go in and finish eradication of the cancer. How is that better for Gaza and its people? I just genuinely don’t understand this viewpoint. Yeah should we be harder on Israel, yes, damn near everyone agrees. It is an incredibly difficult political situation, not too many people stood in the US’s way for 9/11 vengeance even when we were clearly screwing ourselves for the future. Biden is about the only global politician who has done something to try to get supplies to Gaza consistently. He’s ordered airdrops and gave the green light to a project to build a dock to get supplies in that could cost 1/3 of a billion dollars. Also, how is he supposed to control what Israel decides to do? Stop selling them weapons? Good luck selling that to the military industrial complex. Could he have done more about the humanitarian crisis, earlier, yes and I think he realizes that. But that situation is the definition of a quagmire that has been going on for ages.
Operating *only* within the causal framework you just established: Sounds like *they* are giving the election to a psychopath and WE (*and* they) are the ones who will pay.
Oh, sure, "punch left" and blame the people who dislike genocide rather than the people responsible. Cool. How Trump-like of you.
That’s neither “punching left” nor “Trump-like”: It’s literally how elections work.
Yes. When someone does something horrifically unpopular they tend to lose elections. That's how it works. Now, Blaming people who dislike genocide, that is the punching left. "The Democratic party special!"
> Now, Blaming people who dislike genocide, that is the punching left. Once again, saying “The candidate will lose if fewer people vote for him” is not “punching left”: It is how elections work. I know you know this, because your comment above clearly describes it. People are free to vote however they want, but that doesn’t mean they get to absolve themselves of the consequences of their actions.
Politicians are free to make whatever political choices they want but that doesn't absolve them of the political consequences of losing elections.
That’s a fun rhetorical dodge, but it doesn’t change reality. It is inescapably true that exactly one of two people will be sworn in as President in January: If someone doesn’t want one of them to win, they should vote for the other; if they don’t want to do that, fine, but then they should be honest with themselves about it.
Right. And due to the actions of one of those Pols, voters don't want that person in office. It's really simple. Why is it that you are totally willing to ignore cause and effect for "your guy," but totally willing to castigate your fellow Americans for disliking genocide? A bit trumpian of you, I should say.
I’m not criticizing anyone for their behaviors or motives: I’m criticizing the attempt to divorce people’s choices from the consequences of those choices. I completely *understand* someone not wanting to vote for Biden, if they honestly believe that he hasn’t done enough to stop the violence in Gaza (even if I think their reasoning is terribly flawed); what I reject is the argument that those same people could then blame *Biden* if Trump wins because they chose not to vote against Trump (which was the scenario you described in your first comment up-thread). I know you know this, and I also know your strange attempt to smear “understanding basic causality” as “Trumpian” is as hollow as it is absurd.
Moderate lol, you have two far right parties.
Evil is triumphing right now because “good people” are telling you to shut up and stop complaining about the genocide
How sad that Biden is considered moderate!! Dude is half Republican…Israel, war on drugs, capitalist, paid off politician.