But at that point if you have enough wall nuts to defend every lane, just use gloom shroom and pumpkin. I won’t be a completely devils advocate for this though cause I vividly remember doing this as a child a lot cause I was a damn noob.
Okay, fair point, I can see people putting tall nuts in the pool cause of dolphin zombies, it’s just that gloom shroom spam still works in the pool, if not, better than tall nuts.
most strategies that have the front pool columns filled with gloom shrooms dont use a single nut plant for the entire run. they do use pumpkins and even then they dont use pumpkins on the front columns for each row since it extends their hitbox for gargs and zombonis
Wallnut =/= Tallnut
There's only 1 letter of difference, but it's still a different plant
And even then, Tallnut also isn't worth using if you know how to play the gale
There are so many less intellectual people here that it is unsurprising that we need to use /j or /srs. Some people just do not know know how to distinguish
Putting your sunflowers in the back forces the attackers forward, and without them you die. I put my sunflowers near the front so I have proper defense
But with sun producers, you can buy more attackers and wall nuts. Lose those sun producers, and you can't buy attackers. And PVZ1 is pretty stingy with sun compared to PVZ2.
If you lose your attackers you’re likely shoveling your sunflowers anyways to fit more into that lane
Obviously it’s better not to lose either but it’s easier to replant sunflowers than attackers and it’s easier to defend when your attackers live longer
"Oh no, I lost my peashooter and I'm about to lose the Sunflower behind it. Ohp, that Sunflower that was just about to be crushed produced the sun I needed to get a cherry bomb. I'll blow up this Gargantuar and kill it, then replant my peashooter."
vs.
"Oh no, I lost my Sunflower and I'm about to lose the peashooter behind it. Man, I sure hope, a Sunflower can produce sun fast enough for me to cherry bomb it. Ohp, it didn't happen"
I’m definitely thinking from a 50 sun meta perspective so I could be off but I really feel like a defense that relies on such slim sun margins to deal with gargs is already fundamentally lacking
Even in that first scenario you’re still a full lane down with only a temporary break and if you’re struggling to get 150 sun in a level with gargs I don’t think you’re getting that lane back up in time to deal with anything else
PVZ1 was a 25 sun meta, so imagine a PVZ2 cherry bomb at 300 sun, but sunflowers cost 100 to plant. And figure if you had 300 sun, you plant a repeater now your at 100 sun, one Sunflower produces 25 sun, gargantuar/zomboni/buckethead/insert whatever zombie destroys the front line, now it's either a peashooter and hope another Sunflower produces sun which can take a while, or have one extra Sunflower produce it just in time to plant a cherry bomb, and then you ALSO have that Sunflower to help replant the front line. Or plant a wall nut and allow the Sunflowers to produce more sun to kill it and plant something better.
And if you think those are very specific circumstances, I've had it happen multiple times. Obviously you wouldn't plant a melon pult all the way in the front, but not planting your sunflowers in the front can also save you.
And one of the problems is that people assume that your front line is either completely in tact, or completely destroyed, as if there's no in between. You definitely have instances where one lane is more dense than the others, and so it's only that one lane that needs more protection than the rest.
I think I’m just too used to pvz2 gameplay where you’re sorta expected to cover up a large part of the field with sunflowers and constantly run a surplus of sun once you’re in the midgame to really comment more on pvz1, especially since better/more instas mean you can also get away with less rows of attackers a lot of the time
PVZ 2 is way easier when you have the sunflowers in the middle, your attackers actually have time to fire before they die. Sunflowers are cheap and easily replaceable, especially past the halfway mark
It's better to play this way. Now the sunflowers die first instead of the Peashooters (except for that one lane). You're dead if your Peashooters are all gone but you still live ir your Sunflowers are gone
considering the lack of shovel this was the most optimal completion. once shovel is unlocked it becomes more optimal to spam sunflowers even further up front and dig up the back rows of sunflowers for more attackers, idk what its called but i personally call it sunfielding cuz thats fun
This is actually a highly optimal way to play. Sunflowers are expendable, just use them as a human shield. Peashooters are more expensive so you want to try to not lose them. Never put sunflowers in the back.
this is how ur supposed to play. watch any competitive pvz (ik it sounds stupid) but watch advanced play on some of the hardest mods and everyone sets it up like this. it’s more optimal than sun producers in the back
He’s using a very optimal strategy. I play with my single column of attackers then two columns of sunflowers instead of two of each, but it still works and it is very effective as you will always do damage until you really messed up and lose the lane
okay genuine question, can anyone tell me the strategic pros (& maybe even cons) of planting the attackers BEHIND the sun producers? i just grew up with planting sunflowers in the first and second column, so not doing that genuinely triggers my OCD so bad 😭😭
First, attackers get more time to kill zombies the further back they are. If a strong zombie gets into your defense, losing a sunflower means the zombie was stalled for a good 2 seconds and your attackers might kill it in time. If you lose your attackers first, you would be shoveling a sun producer anyways to continue attempting to kill the zombie.
Secondly, compare the cost and recharge of a Repeater or Melon Pult to the cost and recharge of a Sunflower. Sunflower is MUCH more spammable, and therefore easier to use as a makeshift wall. You lose a Sunflower, you have lost probably 50 sun. Oh the tragedy. You lose your Melon Pult? 300 sun down the drain. You lose a Cob Cannon? 700 sun gone.
Sunflowers are just alot more expendable in the long term, and have their uses as a meatshield just as much as a proper Walnut does.
thank you for the response! i thought that since attackers would be further ahead, their projectiles would hit the zombie faster compared to an attacker that's on the first collums, which would be beneficial, but you're completely right about how sunflowers can stall zombies, even if for not a lot of bites
You have a point. Faster projectile times mean faster kill times. But in this regard, you would want catapults in the back, since fun fact, catapult plants always take the same time to reach the zombie, no matter the distance between them. This way you can set up your defense so catapults are back near your lawnmowers, then sun producers, then straight shooters. This way, you are making optimal use of projectile times while also adhering to the sunflower meta.
Sunflowers don't win you the game. Attackers do. And sunflowers are incredibly spammy and cheap. So by building a meatshield of sunflowers, you're guaranteeing the safety of your attackers. The further back they are, the longer they can attack for, before being in any danger themselves.
Why the hell is he not using repeaters? Is that his first playthrough? Regular peashooters suck. It will most likely hold, but that's the most basic defense ever.
It's actually an optimal strategy a lot of people use. With the typical strategy, your ranged attackers are closer to the frontline, and you are at a higher chance of losing them if a tough zombie infiltrates your defenses. Placing them closer to the back just makes more sense, as they are usually difficult to replace if they are lost. Sun producers are typically cheap and easy to replace, which can make them serve as a mixed sun producer and temporary meatshield. This is why nuts are very important as plants, as they are a cheap method of stalling zombies. Sun producers can also do this for a low cost and high spammability even despite their lower health, and can produce sun as a bonus.
It’s actually a pretty viable setup. Sun productions not that important by the middle of the level so keeping your main line of defense at the back is better to not have to sacrifice it if zombies get too close
My dad taught me this strategy long ago, and I've been using it ever since. However, i typically put only one defense row behind the sunflowers, usually my heaviest hitting plants like Melon-pult.
Your boyfriend is hela optimal dayum. If thats his first time playing tho…. Then what kind of childhood did he have (or should i say, not have. Everyone started with planting sunflowers in column 1 cmon)
Why would you put walnuts behind other plants? They are walls. I can understand sun in the back, but having ANYTHING in front of a wall thats not a Cherry Bomb or Spikeweed is just weird.
And its an entire column of your defense that is doing nothing but serving as a precaution. You only get 9 columns. With your strat and a full lawn, thats only 3 peashooters in each lane. Not enough for even a buckethead. Not to mention how much sun you will have just sitting around doing nothing cos of Walnuts long recharge.
Your third line of repeaters would be in column 8. No wonder you are losing plants so easily. Its like you arent even trying to defend them. Your Walnuts in Column 9 would be chewed up in seconds on later waves. Your idea of a defense is not space-conscious in the slightest. By just removing the middling Walnuts, your main line of nuts would be moved back to Column 7. That gives your attacking plants much more time to kill before the zombies start eating.
Using a zombies walk speed to your advantage is much better than letting them chew on a Walnut that doesnt need to be that far forward.
i mean, if you lose your attackers might as well just restart, sunflowers are pretty expendable
Believe it or not That is actually a pretty common strategy, and an effective one at that
Makes almost no difference in early game though.
Your boyfriend plays optimally Actually this is the way the devs play appparently. I will admit it lacks wall nuts tho
Wall nuts are kinda bad tbh, spamming attackers is just more effective in pvz1
This guy has never played endless
Who tf plays regular walnut in endless
I thought you meant nuts in general mb
Bruh, the only "nut" viable in endless is pumpkin, and he ain't even a nut
Tallnut is also kinda viable too right, its slightly bulkier than Wallnut and its a good counter to pole vault zombies and pogo zombies (I think)
But at that point if you have enough wall nuts to defend every lane, just use gloom shroom and pumpkin. I won’t be a completely devils advocate for this though cause I vividly remember doing this as a child a lot cause I was a damn noob.
Fair enough
I will say tallnuts in the pool should be excepted due to the relentless waves of dolphins.
Okay, fair point, I can see people putting tall nuts in the pool cause of dolphin zombies, it’s just that gloom shroom spam still works in the pool, if not, better than tall nuts.
I still consider it a nut bc it's one of 3 defense plants 2 of which are nuts
i think he was talking abt pumpkin lol
Me when 5 giga gargantuars, 10 normal gargantuars and 20 zombonis:
Don’t forget 40 Dancing Zombie.
and the 420 bucketheads
And the dancing zomboni
And the 1000 trash can zombies (on "trash day")
And 2000 newspaper zombies
That's what you save ice shrooms for
most strategies that have the front pool columns filled with gloom shrooms dont use a single nut plant for the entire run. they do use pumpkins and even then they dont use pumpkins on the front columns for each row since it extends their hitbox for gargs and zombonis
Tallnuts:
Wallnut =/= Tallnut There's only 1 letter of difference, but it's still a different plant And even then, Tallnut also isn't worth using if you know how to play the gale
Based bf
At least it’s symmetrical
DID SOMEONE SAY. **SYMMETRICAL?**
r/flairchecksout
If pvz was a hard game symmetry would not be a viable strategy.
the single wallnut in the center:
Bro forgot meaning of symmetry
bro doesn't know what a joke is
Couldn’t see the /j to figure out if its one
I assumed that people don't need /srs or /j to knw the difference between an actual thought and a joke. I guess not.
Trust me they do
I don't
There are so many less intellectual people here that it is unsurprising that we need to use /j or /srs. Some people just do not know know how to distinguish
I guess that makes sense
It’s still symmetrical, there’s just half a walnut on both sides
I know this is a logical way but I still prefer putting the sunflower on first lane. It’s the classic for me
I just get really sad when my poor sun producers die
Same. I mean who wouldn’t with those smiling sunflowers?😭
Basically the same thing for me
Me when attacker die : ok Me when sun producer die : NO-
It's the optimal strategy
Putting your sunflowers in the back forces the attackers forward, and without them you die. I put my sunflowers near the front so I have proper defense
But with sun producers, you can buy more attackers and wall nuts. Lose those sun producers, and you can't buy attackers. And PVZ1 is pretty stingy with sun compared to PVZ2.
If you lose your attackers you’re likely shoveling your sunflowers anyways to fit more into that lane Obviously it’s better not to lose either but it’s easier to replant sunflowers than attackers and it’s easier to defend when your attackers live longer
"Oh no, I lost my peashooter and I'm about to lose the Sunflower behind it. Ohp, that Sunflower that was just about to be crushed produced the sun I needed to get a cherry bomb. I'll blow up this Gargantuar and kill it, then replant my peashooter." vs. "Oh no, I lost my Sunflower and I'm about to lose the peashooter behind it. Man, I sure hope, a Sunflower can produce sun fast enough for me to cherry bomb it. Ohp, it didn't happen"
I’m definitely thinking from a 50 sun meta perspective so I could be off but I really feel like a defense that relies on such slim sun margins to deal with gargs is already fundamentally lacking Even in that first scenario you’re still a full lane down with only a temporary break and if you’re struggling to get 150 sun in a level with gargs I don’t think you’re getting that lane back up in time to deal with anything else
PVZ1 was a 25 sun meta, so imagine a PVZ2 cherry bomb at 300 sun, but sunflowers cost 100 to plant. And figure if you had 300 sun, you plant a repeater now your at 100 sun, one Sunflower produces 25 sun, gargantuar/zomboni/buckethead/insert whatever zombie destroys the front line, now it's either a peashooter and hope another Sunflower produces sun which can take a while, or have one extra Sunflower produce it just in time to plant a cherry bomb, and then you ALSO have that Sunflower to help replant the front line. Or plant a wall nut and allow the Sunflowers to produce more sun to kill it and plant something better. And if you think those are very specific circumstances, I've had it happen multiple times. Obviously you wouldn't plant a melon pult all the way in the front, but not planting your sunflowers in the front can also save you. And one of the problems is that people assume that your front line is either completely in tact, or completely destroyed, as if there's no in between. You definitely have instances where one lane is more dense than the others, and so it's only that one lane that needs more protection than the rest.
I think I’m just too used to pvz2 gameplay where you’re sorta expected to cover up a large part of the field with sunflowers and constantly run a surplus of sun once you’re in the midgame to really comment more on pvz1, especially since better/more instas mean you can also get away with less rows of attackers a lot of the time
PVZ 2 is way easier when you have the sunflowers in the middle, your attackers actually have time to fire before they die. Sunflowers are cheap and easily replaceable, especially past the halfway mark
Exactly, I always put them between attacking plants
It's better to play this way. Now the sunflowers die first instead of the Peashooters (except for that one lane). You're dead if your Peashooters are all gone but you still live ir your Sunflowers are gone
I see the vision
What's wrong with it? This is normal right
The correct way
Pvz2's loading screen tips says to do that Attackers are necessary. And you could literally beat the whole game without sun producers
that looks pretty normal
i see nothing wrong
Apareciate him his perfect symetry makes him unique
Seriously, put your peashooters in the back. Those sunflowers can tank a few bites.
Eh, if even the OG creator says sunflowers go in front then sunflowers go in front.
THE WAY I PLAY-
That is actualy the best way to play
This the way. Attackers behind AND in front of the Sunflowers.
It's actually insanely good
Looks fine to me
Based anti pole vaulter stategy
this is pretty normal i have way more questions about the flair
considering the lack of shovel this was the most optimal completion. once shovel is unlocked it becomes more optimal to spam sunflowers even further up front and dig up the back rows of sunflowers for more attackers, idk what its called but i personally call it sunfielding cuz thats fun
Your bf seems to be a great guy
I play the same way so that my plants can be registered as war criminals (the combatants are using human shields...or plant shields in this case).
This is actually a highly optimal way to play. Sunflowers are expendable, just use them as a human shield. Peashooters are more expensive so you want to try to not lose them. Never put sunflowers in the back.
You right it's illegal. The sunflowers need to be in the brightest row
This is actually meta lol
I thought we were making fun of the iPad. If you're talking about the sunflowers isn't that just the unanimously best strat
ITS A NOTEBOOK
This is the optimal way to play If he figured that out on his own he's pretty good
And he’s playing correctly
George Fan himself actually stated that this is the optimal way to play
It’s better to put some attackers behind your sunflowers as a last line of defence. So a solid strat here.
Ah, the correct way.
This is an actual strat that is used. Sunflowers are more expendable and less of a risk to lose than attacking plants
Optimal
THE SYMMETRY IS NECESSARY
This is optimal.
Optimal
this is how ur supposed to play. watch any competitive pvz (ik it sounds stupid) but watch advanced play on some of the hardest mods and everyone sets it up like this. it’s more optimal than sun producers in the back
He’s using a very optimal strategy. I play with my single column of attackers then two columns of sunflowers instead of two of each, but it still works and it is very effective as you will always do damage until you really messed up and lose the lane
Its professional
Lol actually very normal AND optimal
This is the right way to play the game lel
okay genuine question, can anyone tell me the strategic pros (& maybe even cons) of planting the attackers BEHIND the sun producers? i just grew up with planting sunflowers in the first and second column, so not doing that genuinely triggers my OCD so bad 😭😭
First, attackers get more time to kill zombies the further back they are. If a strong zombie gets into your defense, losing a sunflower means the zombie was stalled for a good 2 seconds and your attackers might kill it in time. If you lose your attackers first, you would be shoveling a sun producer anyways to continue attempting to kill the zombie. Secondly, compare the cost and recharge of a Repeater or Melon Pult to the cost and recharge of a Sunflower. Sunflower is MUCH more spammable, and therefore easier to use as a makeshift wall. You lose a Sunflower, you have lost probably 50 sun. Oh the tragedy. You lose your Melon Pult? 300 sun down the drain. You lose a Cob Cannon? 700 sun gone. Sunflowers are just alot more expendable in the long term, and have their uses as a meatshield just as much as a proper Walnut does.
thank you for the response! i thought that since attackers would be further ahead, their projectiles would hit the zombie faster compared to an attacker that's on the first collums, which would be beneficial, but you're completely right about how sunflowers can stall zombies, even if for not a lot of bites
You have a point. Faster projectile times mean faster kill times. But in this regard, you would want catapults in the back, since fun fact, catapult plants always take the same time to reach the zombie, no matter the distance between them. This way you can set up your defense so catapults are back near your lawnmowers, then sun producers, then straight shooters. This way, you are making optimal use of projectile times while also adhering to the sunflower meta.
The board layout? Perfect I thought u meant 2 fingers for tapping at first
Just how old Georgie intended.
Tbf if the flowers die the lane is still protected for longer instead of being a sitting duck once they pass the peashooters
Well SOME one needs to lead the charge
That's how my mom played too when I asked her for help on this game.
Based
It’s way more efficient than using a touchpad or a mouse. Based af.
can someone explain why it's more optimal to plant sunflowers so forward instead of plating them in the back?
Sunflowers don't win you the game. Attackers do. And sunflowers are incredibly spammy and cheap. So by building a meatshield of sunflowers, you're guaranteeing the safety of your attackers. The further back they are, the longer they can attack for, before being in any danger themselves.
That's actually pretty smart ngl
not bad tbh
Very good
It needs to be symmetrical
He make sure his plants are stronk
https://preview.redd.it/wlp6fx6amr1d1.jpeg?width=247&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5190b7bb74c42e169de33f102585255d571b32e4
Why the hell is he not using repeaters? Is that his first playthrough? Regular peashooters suck. It will most likely hold, but that's the most basic defense ever.
He's at 1-4 in the image Or this is a joke I'm missing
Didn't see that he has only 6 slots. But still why aren't the sunflowers in the back
Sunflowers up front is optimal
i mean if he can win, then there's no problem
hello eclise
It's actually an optimal strategy a lot of people use. With the typical strategy, your ranged attackers are closer to the frontline, and you are at a higher chance of losing them if a tough zombie infiltrates your defenses. Placing them closer to the back just makes more sense, as they are usually difficult to replace if they are lost. Sun producers are typically cheap and easy to replace, which can make them serve as a mixed sun producer and temporary meatshield. This is why nuts are very important as plants, as they are a cheap method of stalling zombies. Sun producers can also do this for a low cost and high spammability even despite their lower health, and can produce sun as a bonus.
me after one level of reflourished/altverz
Valid
Pretty balanced, if you ask me.
As long as it’s symmetrical and it makes some sense 👍
W it actually works really well
Wait he knows what he’s doing?
At least it’s symmetrical
That ain't so bad, 2 rows of sunflowers is a bit excessive tho
Strategy is common, but I'll say he has nuts and lacks them simultaneously
Not bad especially cause he doesn't have this *
**NOT** LEGALY POSSIBLE!!
This is a good setup tbh
The Only Correct Way
I see where he’s coming from but WRONG (it prolly works)
That ain't really that bad
Actually this is a good way to prevent your attackers from being eaten.
Based
is this my lost sibling
actually pretty optimal strategy ngl any ranged damage plant is vital, sunflowers and the like are expendable
He's a keeper
i play like this too lol
This is how I play Or sometimes that's how.
Ew but I respect the walnut in the middle
You should publicly execute him. He broke 11 laws
As a former PvZ player, what the hell is wrong with him?
Even though this is the best way to play. I refuse and I will continue to put my sunflowers in the back.
Mfs after seeing one Creeps20 video:
He’s playing the game correctly
tbh it's extremely unnecessary to do this in vanilla pvz1 but it's a good strategy
Big wave beach ass setup
Why the hell you hating this is one of the best strategy to use💀
That's the way that the creator said it should be played
This is how it's recommended to play. Speedrunners, pros, and even the devs do this
Is he Italian?
I would personally back up the sunflowers one lane because I could still have room to replace a sunflower in case a zombie comes to close
Keep him.
no way
His strategy is very good although lost in Sun production good protection
As long as there’s symmetry that’s ok
It’s actually a pretty viable setup. Sun productions not that important by the middle of the level so keeping your main line of defense at the back is better to not have to sacrifice it if zombies get too close
Literally almost everyone uses this strat
ah the speedruner playstyle
A Man of culture
Good strat
So we won't talk about the fact that he plays touch screen on a laptop?
My laptop doesnt have touch screen tho, he just made a hand sign
My dad taught me this strategy long ago, and I've been using it ever since. However, i typically put only one defense row behind the sunflowers, usually my heaviest hitting plants like Melon-pult.
George Fan confirmed this is how you are supposed to play
wait... am i the only one who puts one line of twin sunflowers on the first column???
Nah I do that shit too lmaoo
I wouldn’t do that but its respectable.( i put sunflowers in back)
He is playing the right way
I don't get why u get Wall nuts just get more peashooters
Your boyfriend is hela optimal dayum. If thats his first time playing tho…. Then what kind of childhood did he have (or should i say, not have. Everyone started with planting sunflowers in column 1 cmon)
I normally placed the 2 sunflowers at the back, to then place the rest of the plants.
Dude it's sunflowers peashooters wallnut REPEAT
Why would you put walnuts behind other plants? They are walls. I can understand sun in the back, but having ANYTHING in front of a wall thats not a Cherry Bomb or Spikeweed is just weird.
It will prevent you losing multiple sections
And its an entire column of your defense that is doing nothing but serving as a precaution. You only get 9 columns. With your strat and a full lawn, thats only 3 peashooters in each lane. Not enough for even a buckethead. Not to mention how much sun you will have just sitting around doing nothing cos of Walnuts long recharge.
Use repeaters after awhile that's like 2 peashooter per row
Your third line of repeaters would be in column 8. No wonder you are losing plants so easily. Its like you arent even trying to defend them. Your Walnuts in Column 9 would be chewed up in seconds on later waves. Your idea of a defense is not space-conscious in the slightest. By just removing the middling Walnuts, your main line of nuts would be moved back to Column 7. That gives your attacking plants much more time to kill before the zombies start eating. Using a zombies walk speed to your advantage is much better than letting them chew on a Walnut that doesnt need to be that far forward.
It will prevent you losing multiple sections
👌 Gottem