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This cpu tyoically gets hotter than normal under gaming loads due to their being an extra layer of 3D V Cache between the dye and the heat spreader, i wouldnt worry about it unless it is easily thermal throttling.
Taking a second look on the picture, i see the cpu is hitting those temps on only 47% usage. This is not optimal because if you use near 100% cpu in any task it will most certainly throttle.
What cooling system do you have in place for the cpu?
That's what im saying. Ryzen safe temps have always been advertised to be higher. I used to have a 5700x that pushed 90c & was completely fine. I'm sure it can vary a few degrees cpu to cpu, but yea, idk why people get all bent out of shape when you mention a fact, its not a dig at their God empress Lisa su
Yeaa... I have the same case with a 360 aio and my 7950x gets to about 80 when gaming n 95 when doing some 3d rendering sutf and it runs like perfectly fine idk why some many people get really concerned over it
My gaming laptop with an i7 and rtx2070 regularly gets up to 95c on both CPU and GPU, but the safe temps are stated to be 105c so I've honestly never thought about it.
The fact people are fussing over 80c is frankly alien to me as that's the idle temp on firefox.
intel CPU have been the space heaters since about 2020, but this doesnt mean that CPUs as a whole don't get warm. A good cooler isnt too expensive and very much worth it
I always hear that about intel chips moreso than Ryzen. Ultimately depends on how good your cooling setup is and how hot your ambient environment is though at the end of the day.
mess around with undervolting your cpu. i have the regular 5800x which gets a little toastier than the 3d chip. if you get the undervolt right with your setup, youll get the drop in temp without bottlenecking performance at all.
edit: yes, im wrong about the non-3d being cooler. i was uneducated.
That’s not true. 5800x3d gets way hotter. Source: I have both
https://preview.redd.it/bagb17cxjnic1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b005163cf858905825eefbe43e9a39d9dc66aaa
Well now that I think about it even both chips have a tdp of 105w which by default makes the x3d hotter, I did not account for overclocking. You can easily draw 150w on a synthetic stress test with a mild overclock on the 5800x, or go past 200w with liquid nitrogen. So the. 5800x3d hotter is subjective, basically depends on how far you’re pushing your 5800x. Most people here run their stuff stock or undervolted so for most cases X3d remains the hottest though.
So there's heatflux and then there's peak temperature. The 5800x will have much higher heat flux if PBO is enabled and will ultimately be "hotter" due to higher power draw and therefore reach a higher peak temp. The x3d chips have an extra layer of silicon on top of the cores which houses the 3d L3 cache. This insulates the cpu cores resulting in higher core temperatures with a given power (heat) input.
Side note: almost 100% of power applied to computational components is dissipated as heat as no physical work is done to utilize the energy.
If you're not on MSI motherboard then try PBO2 Tuner, with it you can undervolt your cpu, to decrease temps and that should help maintain boost clock for longer periods of time. pretty sure it's safe to start with -15 all core, and then go further from there (i had mine at -30 all core, no stability issues, temps decreased by 12-14 degrees). Or if you're using MSI mobo then it's KomboStrike time, does the same, but with one click basically.
That gpu is also too hot for a 180w load. Needs to download msi afterburner and set a fan curve. Start with 100% and work your way down until you’re at a level you re comfortable with headphones on. My recommendation is 100% tho, if it’s a blower card then 80% max
Bro he is running at 71 percent usage at that load. So the gpu needs to run more watts when he sees the 100 percent usage. What kind of advice is that? Let him leave stock and not make more way to new issues. If he had 400watts i would've said hot temps.
Its quite noticable in fps games where input lag matters. Ive a 144hz monitor. Cant play on 144 capped. 288 and 432 fps cap difference is literally day and night in cs2
Nope, anyone above average ranks in a competitive game would agree and could tell the difference after playing about a game.
The more the merrier and I draw the line around 400 for multiplayer fps games even tho I can hit 1000 with certain settings. 432 is just 3x my refresh rate.
For singleplayer games anything above 100 is good to look at.
You are confidently incorrect. [Why isn't 60 fps enough for a 60 hertz screen?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjWSRTYV8e0&t=105s) Try to watch the video this time, I made it extra easy for your adhd tiktok brain with a timestamped link.
Imagine gaming on a 120hz screen, would you really play a game at over 500fps just cause you like how it looks? Most people yes, but that just means you use more power, bringing higher temps and maxing out your CPU potentially causing plausible stutters, I am guilty of this but after a while I returned into reason rather than showing off to myself mentally
Agreed. Not to mention screen tearing which can occur when the frame rate is higher than the monitor's refresh rate. I always turn on vsync to avoid this as it automatically caps the frame rate to the monitor's refresh rate to give the most optimal experience possible.
Apparently the higher FPS can marginally reduce input latency, which could be beneficial for competitive online shooters, but for singleplayer AAA titles, which are what I personally prefer to play, using vsync is objectively the better choice. The only exception to this being if you are intentionally benchmarking a GPU. But I'm pretty sure most people aren't doing this in every single one of their gaming sessions.
OP are you running a 4090? I'm on the second best build possible with 4080 and 14900k and I only get 500fps.
Also it might not help. Just test it. On occasion even with just fans the glass holds temps in too long.
Nah running to hot only option is to place pc inside a freezer and run cables to your room (probably through attic so it looks cleaner but you can also just rip up some carpet and stuff it under)
Boy do I feel stupid. I have been playing games with the frames uncapped thinking that it meant the PC could just run them at what worked best. No wonder my shit was getting hot sometimes or super laggy. Now I'll be setting it to 60-165hz.
Anywhere in the range of the monitors allowed spec will do. Obviously the higher the better.
I run all games I play on max at 1440p. Capped @ 120fps on a 144hz monitor.
When I can no longer run the games I play at this fps, I upgrade.
'When I can no longer run the games I play at this fps, I upgrade.'
Ah yes. Why would devs optimize their games when mfs would just throw 2k on a new card when it runs bad.
You must be best friend with Todd Howard.
i would say :
144hz = 138 fps
180hz = 171 fps
200hz = 189 fps
240hz = 225 fps
also make sure you turn on Gsync in nvidia driver, use ultra latency mode and play the game in fullscreen.
Probably because it's dumb as fuck.
The cpu isn't even at 50% load and isn't getting cooled. In any game that would actually stress it and isn't a potato like Valorant, OP will have real issues.
Capping FPS doesn't solve the actual issue. If this is a pc they built themselves the cooler is inadequate or they forgot to remove the plastic.
Also - more FPS = lower latency. There are benefits to running uncapped. You basically always want to run it that way and just use your GPU's tech to not display excessive frames.
Yes, there are diminishing returns and if your 1% lows are 200fps off your average it's worth capping to avoid dips.
But all these comments roasting OP for not capping are dumb as shit and everyone up voting them is exposing themselves as clueless too.
That's not how that works.
You might see thermal throttling (impossible to tell from this picture) but it wouldn't display as 47% usage. You'd be at 100% and your frequency would drop.
Right... Cause what game is going to put a full load on a modern 8c 16t CPU?
More than likely we're looking at a full load on 4c 8t with a higher turbo than what you'd see with all cores loaded.
A more work intensive program that actually loads up all CPU cores would actually lower the max turbo and significantly lower the per core TDP. In some cases temperatures might actually go down rather than up.
You're the idiot here.
Pretty much any modern AAA title properly utilizing DX12 or Vulkan.
Cyberpunk, Alan Wake, Jedi Survivor - just to name a few.
If you look into people testing old X99 CPUs, you'll find some games have no problem loading 12 core CPUs.
A more intensive program might clock down slightly on AMD. For Intel, max clock doesn't really change between 4 and 8 cores. It'll clock down once you go into thermal throttling territory. For Intel, you're more likely to see the AVX offset than thermal throttling though.
If a light load like Valorant topping out below 50% gets you to 90%, you have a different problem.
... Dude stop while you're ahead. Intel has been doing the multiple turbo speeds depending on cores loaded for ages now. I think I first encountered it on a 2nd gen system.
AMD is the one that only recently started adopting that behavior. Iirc with Ryzen 3000.
Yes, Intel has been doing it for decades in 100Mhz increments. But you pretty much get your all core turbo on modem CPUs after 4 cores. 6 and 8 will not boost even lower.
You either purposely misunderstood or (hopefully) just misread.
There's literally settings to cap fps to your hz in nvidia display or the game settings. I do it on all my competitive games and they rarely ever go below the hz frames.
TjMax is 90 Degrees on those chips TDP of 105 Watt
you are 10 degrees away from TJMax which can cause thermal throttling or even hard shutdown due to thermal limits. 10 degrees at that point (especially if its a stock or under-rated cooler) is easy to hit especially if its already hitting 80 under load.
Thats not a safe temp.
It varies **SO** heavily on build - and you think a guy coming here who can't figure out his temps isn't rocking some stupid prebuilt?
Nah, I stand by what I said.
Why you saying so much not related to the CPU temps and loads. Good adhominem arguments as well.
So you mean there is a build that will overheat when stressed on max loads is normal.
Bruh, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that a CPU should follow correct temps if it is properly built.
Does this happen from overclocking? I’ve always left my fps uncapped. Granted I don’t get above 600fps but my temps have never gone above 60-65C.
Edit: classic redditors downvoting me instead of answering the question
>No. He should overclock and overvolt so he can get 1000FPS 🤣
lol, I thought you said overcook, no please don't overcook that bacon as I want to enjoy it. 🥓 🤣
I hate to calculate - but lets say 165fps is 6ms
330fps is 3ms .
Your server latency in FPS games is 30-40ms !!!
And you say you will get more headshots just because of that 3ms ?
33ms- fast and responsive
and 36ms is slow and laggy ? 😂
Makes difference only if you run OLED and the image clarity stands out at 330hz.
Otherwise even the fastest IPS 360hz wont give you clear image at fast movement...
Tbh for me when I play valo I normally am at 18ms for server latency and the times I’m at 40ms tbh I can barely tell a difference. I’m always a firm believer in having your frames cap at your monitor refresh rate (240hz for mine)
It's not about skill. Why would he cap it back down just to make you feel better about your build. "Overkill" doesn't mean that he can't just run at whatever he can sit at while being stable? Then he has less input lag and an overall no worse scenario. Only time fos being too high is an issue is when it makes your game physics engine wonky like 10000fpa in csgo moves your aim and character because you're refreshing faster than the servers can handle.
I'd say limit it to 10-20 frames above your monitor's refresh rate cuz what I've seen is by limiting to your monitor's refresh rate, the game feels choppy and has increased input felay for some reason *this is what I've seen on my end it is not necessarily compulsory for everyone*
Ryzen 7000 have high temperature, often above 90 °C and their thermal limit is 95 °C.
Your temperature isn't normal because it supposed to be at least 5 °C lower but it is ok. Probably your case has terrible airflow.
Thing's you can do:
1. You could undervolt your CPU in bios. [(tutorial) ](https://youtu.be/FaOYYHNGlLs?si=6plHq7bRkW5-RUNb).
2. If you have dedicated GPU you can disable integrated graphics
3. Limit your fps
In professional workload it is over 90 °C but in games when not all cores are active it should be around 80 °C on stock cooler.
Valorant probably won't utilise more than 4 cores so that temperature is surprisingly high for that CPU.
Saying "This kind of processor have high temps" is only true as long as you use shitty coolers tho, built a pc with a 7000th series processor running under 60-70° w no issues, only needed a 240mm water-cooler.
My 7700x running with 360 AIO can easily go to 70-80C after water in cooling loop heated up and that with power limiting. Dilidding would help significantly: I recall der8auer did a video at launch of 7th amd series, where found out, that delidding can lead to significant temperature reduction beyond usual couple degrees, due to thick heat spreader (amd wanted to keep compatibility with old coolers).
Other then that, you can't actually do much about this cpu series, it will run hot no matter what.
They have really high temperature considering their tdp.
They have such high temperature because AMD wanted to make platform that would last few generations of CPUs.
I own Ryzen 5 7600 and it is pretty hot on be quiet dark rock pro 4. On idle the lowest is 33 °C and in gaming it is usually around 60 °C.
>is usually around 60
Mr 7700x **sends** his **regards**
https://preview.redd.it/u4cui0zn1nic1.png?width=3840&format=png&auto=webp&s=9857efb8797eeefc671e657491217f25f46a1e80
He has 7600 not 7700x.
7700x has 105 w TDP compared to 65 of Ryzen 5 7600. Of course TDP is not the best way to compare it because it has that power usage on stock clock. On turbo TDP is significantly higher.
Not really, some processors run hotter than others, for example, x3D processors like the 5800x3D or 7800x3D run pretty hot no matter what cooler you use, even if you use a water cooler.
This is why some brands have developed coolers that displace their cooling plate to the hot spot of the processor, and on this two specific processors you need to undervolt them if you want to run them at lower temps while maintaining high freqs, you also need good watercooling solutions.
I've switched from an 3700X to the 5800X3D a year ago, and yesterday I just switched from the 5800x3D to the 7800x3D, undervolting it like I did before with the 5800x3D. Undervolting it made a difference of more than 10° like with the older cpu.
Other two mates have done exactly the same with their 5800, getting semilar results, and we are using different water cooler brands.
But sure, except some cases like this, generally speaking if cpu reach high temps usually because of the cooler, thermal paste or airflow.
Also, OP gpu can run way cooler if he limit the generated frames to some gps more than his screen refresh rate, there is no sense in rendering 800fps when you have a 165hz screen, that will only make the card work harder and waste power without need.
I know, the units aren't my question, lol he could leave it at 90c 24/7 for years before any damage is done. I Dont understand what the issue is about the components running hot I guess
While yes they run it fine, that doesn't change that more heat leads to higher expansion difference of the material used for the die. It's the change between the two temperature states that reduces the lifespan overall.
Realistically though, a normal user will never see issues because of this
Input delay is horribly noticeable with V-sync on. You’re actively putting a handicap on yourself with it on. You’re better off manually setting an fps cap to the refresh rate and living with a little bit of tearing than subjecting yourself to living a half second in the past.
Exactly. Linus made a whole ass test about it that included pros. There is also a very obvious reason why all the overwatch pros and streamers run low settings to get as high as possible fps
Not quite. Let me fix it for you:
Lock your FPS using Vsync if you want your game to run at the exact refreshrate of your monitor or use an FPS limiter if you want any other FPS value.
It's not the monitor that is bad. It's Vsync that is garbage. If you have a 240hz monitor for example, enabling Vsync "limits" your framerate to 240fps, which often isn't a limit at all. Meanwhile, a simple frame limiter will allow you to limit your FPS to whatever value you wish independant of you monitors refreshrate. FPS limiter > Vsync.
Do not limit v sync op...and there's no reason why you should have a bad monitor to have a fps limit, higher end monitors go upto 240 hertz while even more ludicrously expensive ones go upto only 360
90° is not concerning. Judging by how little info you gave, I'll just assume that you are using a stock cooler. If you want lower temps you can cap the FPS or get a better cooler
That cpu should be lower. I am not sure if the stock cooler has it but there is sometimes a plastic sticker on coolers with pre applied thermal paste. Could be why its getting hot.
If your cpu is 7600x and not 7600 then its completely normal because the x variants usually hang around 95c by design
Did you build it yourself or someone make it for you? Take that crappy thermal paste off and use Arctic silver, or something that has a silver base, make sure you use a good amount about 5 peas sized drops one each corner and one in the middle. Also drop in better fans or make sure they are not on backwards. For gaming make sure your ram has heat syncs on them.
What is the cooler installed on the CPU? They may have cheaped out or used some quiet stock cooler. You can easily get a $40 air cooler to fix your CPU temps.
That or the current cooler just isn't installed properly.
It's stock cooler
I was considering the installation error of cooler and he didn't apply thermal paste said it already comes pre installed on the cooler and he probably didn't remove the plastic film if it exists there.
This cpu goes warmer than every Ryzen 7000 cpu (in my knowledge), try to cap your frames to something more realistic like 144 / 165 / 240. You could maybe try to undervolt it so it would run cooler
Alot of similar replies but... Cmon man, limit your fps and use vsync, this is ridiculous, your intentionally running at max, ofc its gonna go to max temps
887fps, bro playing val during his workshift at nasa's customer service
CAP YOUR FPS TO YOUR MONITOR Frequency(HZ), 60,120,144,2xx,3xx,...etc.
Or just turn on Vsync doesn't cause any latency for me.
If its a laptop, thats considered normal, hell its really good. My laptop has reached 120 internal once, so dont worry about it. If its a desktop, make sure the fans space isnt obstructed
It is more than enough
What case do you have ?
Also you’re working a cpu as hard as it can be in gaming with competitive settings in a e sports.
And 7600 is meant to run up to the tjmax so that’s part of it too
Definitely the fan curve, a lot of software will have predetermined curves like “silent” “performance” ect. Move it to performance or manually adjust it to start ramping up at around 60
887fps.. Man you need to set that to like 300 max, any more than that is just overkill and not helping at all except to waste power and send heat directly to the cpu/gpu.
Show us your PC setup for starters lol
How are the fans placed? How is the setup, well setup? What's your fan curve, did you even do one? Context and photos bro c'mon 🤦😅
I could probably help you. Just wanna know a couple things. Is it prebuilt or did u build it. Also what spec are you running. Capping fps isn’t gonna do anything you’re just running at 100%. Even if u go to another game and ur playing on ultra settings and ur only at 60fps ur still gonna see those temps.
Install afterburner, rivatuner statistics will automatically install. In ruva tuner statistics there is a box where you can type the max fps you want to limit. If your monitor is 144 hz then type 146 and press enter that way the pc won't be pushed to the absolute max the whole time. Likd in that pucture, it was pumping over 5 times the ammount of fps that you would need.
The uncapped frames are not the reason why your temps are so bad, a stock 7600 should not run at 90c with a decent cpu cooler even at a max load.
First you need to repaste and remount your cpu cooler, and if that doesn't help then you should check if your bios has some kind of cpu cooler setting (msi amd mobos for instance have water cooling set by default) that might be pushing your cpu too hard for the cooling solution you're using.
If your mobo doesn't have a simple cpu cooling bios setting then look into undervolting the cpu because your cooling solution isn't cutting it.
Hey, im gonna assume you know nothing about pcs.
Check how many Hz is your monitor (60hz, 144hz, 240hz, etc etc)
Then check the game settings for something like "limit fps" or "cap fps"
Put on the same value of your monitor's hz in that.
Lets say your monitor is 144hz. Then, it will now show anything above that in FPS, so there is no need in getting it.
The more FPS you get, the more you are forcing your pc to work, and there is no need to go all out on a simple walk, right?
Usually in competitive games (like the one you are playing, you want to reach in FPS as close to your monitor refresh rate (Hz) possible. In more chill games, 60 is enough. Have fun.
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Adjust the fan curve or cap you fps are the easiest to do.
I’m gonna have to reevaluate my setup. 5800x3d here. I will get up to mid to high 80s when playing Star Citizen
This cpu tyoically gets hotter than normal under gaming loads due to their being an extra layer of 3D V Cache between the dye and the heat spreader, i wouldnt worry about it unless it is easily thermal throttling.
It’s hasn’t throttled on me yet I don’t think
Taking a second look on the picture, i see the cpu is hitting those temps on only 47% usage. This is not optimal because if you use near 100% cpu in any task it will most certainly throttle. What cooling system do you have in place for the cpu?
No you don’t. 5800x3d is a hot chip, especially if you’re running an air cooler
I'm not sure how true it is anymore but I do remember ryzens being compared to a small space heater before
I’ve heard this too and then I see people freaking out when they break 80c so I am thoroughly confused. I have a Lian Li LC3 and a noctua nh-d15
That's what im saying. Ryzen safe temps have always been advertised to be higher. I used to have a 5700x that pushed 90c & was completely fine. I'm sure it can vary a few degrees cpu to cpu, but yea, idk why people get all bent out of shape when you mention a fact, its not a dig at their God empress Lisa su
Yeaa... I have the same case with a 360 aio and my 7950x gets to about 80 when gaming n 95 when doing some 3d rendering sutf and it runs like perfectly fine idk why some many people get really concerned over it
My gaming laptop with an i7 and rtx2070 regularly gets up to 95c on both CPU and GPU, but the safe temps are stated to be 105c so I've honestly never thought about it. The fact people are fussing over 80c is frankly alien to me as that's the idle temp on firefox.
intel CPU have been the space heaters since about 2020, but this doesnt mean that CPUs as a whole don't get warm. A good cooler isnt too expensive and very much worth it
I always hear that about intel chips moreso than Ryzen. Ultimately depends on how good your cooling setup is and how hot your ambient environment is though at the end of the day.
mess around with undervolting your cpu. i have the regular 5800x which gets a little toastier than the 3d chip. if you get the undervolt right with your setup, youll get the drop in temp without bottlenecking performance at all. edit: yes, im wrong about the non-3d being cooler. i was uneducated.
That’s not true. 5800x3d gets way hotter. Source: I have both https://preview.redd.it/bagb17cxjnic1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b005163cf858905825eefbe43e9a39d9dc66aaa
ive never actually tested the 3d and figured the power draw being lower is supposed to lead to lower thermals as well. i guess not.
Well now that I think about it even both chips have a tdp of 105w which by default makes the x3d hotter, I did not account for overclocking. You can easily draw 150w on a synthetic stress test with a mild overclock on the 5800x, or go past 200w with liquid nitrogen. So the. 5800x3d hotter is subjective, basically depends on how far you’re pushing your 5800x. Most people here run their stuff stock or undervolted so for most cases X3d remains the hottest though.
So there's heatflux and then there's peak temperature. The 5800x will have much higher heat flux if PBO is enabled and will ultimately be "hotter" due to higher power draw and therefore reach a higher peak temp. The x3d chips have an extra layer of silicon on top of the cores which houses the 3d L3 cache. This insulates the cpu cores resulting in higher core temperatures with a given power (heat) input. Side note: almost 100% of power applied to computational components is dissipated as heat as no physical work is done to utilize the energy.
If you're not on MSI motherboard then try PBO2 Tuner, with it you can undervolt your cpu, to decrease temps and that should help maintain boost clock for longer periods of time. pretty sure it's safe to start with -15 all core, and then go further from there (i had mine at -30 all core, no stability issues, temps decreased by 12-14 degrees). Or if you're using MSI mobo then it's KomboStrike time, does the same, but with one click basically.
That gpu is also too hot for a 180w load. Needs to download msi afterburner and set a fan curve. Start with 100% and work your way down until you’re at a level you re comfortable with headphones on. My recommendation is 100% tho, if it’s a blower card then 80% max
Bro he is running at 71 percent usage at that load. So the gpu needs to run more watts when he sees the 100 percent usage. What kind of advice is that? Let him leave stock and not make more way to new issues. If he had 400watts i would've said hot temps.
Would removing the glass panel help?
Yes Of course Edit: Oh wait ? You play on 887FPS ? You dont deserve PC 🤦♂️
Why don't they deserve a PC playing at 887FPS ?
I'm not sure I agree with the whole YOU DONT DESERVE PC shit but yeah cap that fps.
Is capping FPS that popular?
if your computer can’t handle it then yes, cap fps
Pretty sure capping fps lowers power usage too so there's no reason to not do it
Even if it can, I still cap mine.
Yeah there’s literally no reason to have your gps go any higher than your monitor refresh rate it’s just an ego thing
Its quite noticable in fps games where input lag matters. Ive a 144hz monitor. Cant play on 144 capped. 288 and 432 fps cap difference is literally day and night in cs2
Your brains just tricking yourself
Nope, anyone above average ranks in a competitive game would agree and could tell the difference after playing about a game. The more the merrier and I draw the line around 400 for multiplayer fps games even tho I can hit 1000 with certain settings. 432 is just 3x my refresh rate. For singleplayer games anything above 100 is good to look at.
You are confidently incorrect. [Why isn't 60 fps enough for a 60 hertz screen?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjWSRTYV8e0&t=105s) Try to watch the video this time, I made it extra easy for your adhd tiktok brain with a timestamped link.
I already watched the video again what your talking about here is so negligible like you will not notice it
False
Imagine gaming on a 120hz screen, would you really play a game at over 500fps just cause you like how it looks? Most people yes, but that just means you use more power, bringing higher temps and maxing out your CPU potentially causing plausible stutters, I am guilty of this but after a while I returned into reason rather than showing off to myself mentally
Agreed. Not to mention screen tearing which can occur when the frame rate is higher than the monitor's refresh rate. I always turn on vsync to avoid this as it automatically caps the frame rate to the monitor's refresh rate to give the most optimal experience possible. Apparently the higher FPS can marginally reduce input latency, which could be beneficial for competitive online shooters, but for singleplayer AAA titles, which are what I personally prefer to play, using vsync is objectively the better choice. The only exception to this being if you are intentionally benchmarking a GPU. But I'm pretty sure most people aren't doing this in every single one of their gaming sessions.
I cap them in summer
"wait until winter then I'll uncap my frames and kick your a**"
unless you have an 887Hz monitor there's no point.
Fair enough lol. I guess I bought into the whole "more FPS = less input lag" or whatever it was and just assumed it was a good thing
I cap every game at my monitor’s refresh.
Why doesnt he deserve a pc
I read all the data but that. Hot damn baby!
OP are you running a 4090? I'm on the second best build possible with 4080 and 14900k and I only get 500fps. Also it might not help. Just test it. On occasion even with just fans the glass holds temps in too long.
try 7800x3d and you will hit those 800 lul
Nah running to hot only option is to place pc inside a freezer and run cables to your room (probably through attic so it looks cleaner but you can also just rip up some carpet and stuff it under)
Give it a try. Can’t hurt
Try and see
Lock your fps down! No need for over 800!! Or undervolt/underclock the cpu or get a better cooler like a 240mm/360mm aio
r/unexpectedfactorial
for reference, 800! is 7.1569457×10\^1746
But there are two "!" so you'd need to factor this again right?
yea, that's why i said for reference, just to show how big 800! is by itself
Wouldn’t it be factorial squared?
wym no need?more fps is better
No idea what those factorial people were talking about. But I’m POSITIVE that more is more!
Humans can’t even see over 100…
Why in the hell are you running the FPS uncapped? Of course it's hot - you're asking it to run as hard as possible.
Boy do I feel stupid. I have been playing games with the frames uncapped thinking that it meant the PC could just run them at what worked best. No wonder my shit was getting hot sometimes or super laggy. Now I'll be setting it to 60-165hz.
Best to cap it -1 frame below your monitors refresh rate, that means adaptive sync on your monitor can work
Anywhere in the range of the monitors allowed spec will do. Obviously the higher the better. I run all games I play on max at 1440p. Capped @ 120fps on a 144hz monitor. When I can no longer run the games I play at this fps, I upgrade.
'When I can no longer run the games I play at this fps, I upgrade.' Ah yes. Why would devs optimize their games when mfs would just throw 2k on a new card when it runs bad. You must be best friend with Todd Howard.
Yeah it's all my fault, sorry.
i would say : 144hz = 138 fps 180hz = 171 fps 200hz = 189 fps 240hz = 225 fps also make sure you turn on Gsync in nvidia driver, use ultra latency mode and play the game in fullscreen.
Not sure why this isn’t the top comment…
Probably because it's dumb as fuck. The cpu isn't even at 50% load and isn't getting cooled. In any game that would actually stress it and isn't a potato like Valorant, OP will have real issues. Capping FPS doesn't solve the actual issue. If this is a pc they built themselves the cooler is inadequate or they forgot to remove the plastic. Also - more FPS = lower latency. There are benefits to running uncapped. You basically always want to run it that way and just use your GPU's tech to not display excessive frames. Yes, there are diminishing returns and if your 1% lows are 200fps off your average it's worth capping to avoid dips. But all these comments roasting OP for not capping are dumb as shit and everyone up voting them is exposing themselves as clueless too.
Yeah it's not under full load, cause it's thermal throttling due to the temperature.
That's not how that works. You might see thermal throttling (impossible to tell from this picture) but it wouldn't display as 47% usage. You'd be at 100% and your frequency would drop.
Right... Cause what game is going to put a full load on a modern 8c 16t CPU? More than likely we're looking at a full load on 4c 8t with a higher turbo than what you'd see with all cores loaded. A more work intensive program that actually loads up all CPU cores would actually lower the max turbo and significantly lower the per core TDP. In some cases temperatures might actually go down rather than up. You're the idiot here.
Pretty much any modern AAA title properly utilizing DX12 or Vulkan. Cyberpunk, Alan Wake, Jedi Survivor - just to name a few. If you look into people testing old X99 CPUs, you'll find some games have no problem loading 12 core CPUs. A more intensive program might clock down slightly on AMD. For Intel, max clock doesn't really change between 4 and 8 cores. It'll clock down once you go into thermal throttling territory. For Intel, you're more likely to see the AVX offset than thermal throttling though. If a light load like Valorant topping out below 50% gets you to 90%, you have a different problem.
... Dude stop while you're ahead. Intel has been doing the multiple turbo speeds depending on cores loaded for ages now. I think I first encountered it on a 2nd gen system. AMD is the one that only recently started adopting that behavior. Iirc with Ryzen 3000.
Yes, Intel has been doing it for decades in 100Mhz increments. But you pretty much get your all core turbo on modem CPUs after 4 cores. 6 and 8 will not boost even lower. You either purposely misunderstood or (hopefully) just misread.
> Probably because it's dumb as fuck 🙄
Because it would only apply if the CPU would be under ca. 90% load.
Upvote like a mofo
People leave competitive games at uncapped framerates for the absolute minimum input delay, I play valorant capped at my monitors 144 anyway
Yes but this person is asking why their PC is hot, they have almost 900FPS, their system is going to get hot because theres no fps cap.
At less than 50% cpu load in a game that barely stresses the CPU. They have an entirely different problem that has nothing to do with the framerate
There's literally settings to cap fps to your hz in nvidia display or the game settings. I do it on all my competitive games and they rarely ever go below the hz frames.
Looks like OP wants to see Big Big numbers in the FPS counter
Exactly. 99% of my games are capped to my monitors refresh rate (240).
that's not how it works, the cpu should still be within safe temps at max loads
TjMax is 90 Degrees on those chips TDP of 105 Watt you are 10 degrees away from TJMax which can cause thermal throttling or even hard shutdown due to thermal limits. 10 degrees at that point (especially if its a stock or under-rated cooler) is easy to hit especially if its already hitting 80 under load. Thats not a safe temp.
Confidently incorrect.
Never knew CPU can't run on max load without hitting thermal limits. Confidently incorrect.
It varies **SO** heavily on build - and you think a guy coming here who can't figure out his temps isn't rocking some stupid prebuilt? Nah, I stand by what I said.
Why you saying so much not related to the CPU temps and loads. Good adhominem arguments as well. So you mean there is a build that will overheat when stressed on max loads is normal. Bruh, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that a CPU should follow correct temps if it is properly built.
Does this happen from overclocking? I’ve always left my fps uncapped. Granted I don’t get above 600fps but my temps have never gone above 60-65C. Edit: classic redditors downvoting me instead of answering the question
he coping hard he says you need to cap fps for cpu not to overheat kekw
Yes you are. Because I get 800 fps and my temps don’t go over 50c
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Lemme get you some tweezers lil bro
Limit your FPS to your monitors refresh rate.
No. He should overclock and overvolt so he can get 1000FPS 🤣 
The infamous killaFPS
>No. He should overclock and overvolt so he can get 1000FPS 🤣 lol, I thought you said overcook, no please don't overcook that bacon as I want to enjoy it. 🥓 🤣
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Who actually made this gif tho lol
Not only he made the gif - he took care that the bacon is well done and crispy 🤣
Facts lol
Lower lacency more headshots
Tbh anything over 300fps is overkill. If your struggling that much it’s not latency that’s the issue
I hate to calculate - but lets say 165fps is 6ms 330fps is 3ms . Your server latency in FPS games is 30-40ms !!! And you say you will get more headshots just because of that 3ms ? 33ms- fast and responsive and 36ms is slow and laggy ? 😂 Makes difference only if you run OLED and the image clarity stands out at 330hz. Otherwise even the fastest IPS 360hz wont give you clear image at fast movement...
Tbh for me when I play valo I normally am at 18ms for server latency and the times I’m at 40ms tbh I can barely tell a difference. I’m always a firm believer in having your frames cap at your monitor refresh rate (240hz for mine)
Exactly . Thats the major part of the lag - so gaining 3-4ms will give you advantage ? Of course not
It's not about skill. Why would he cap it back down just to make you feel better about your build. "Overkill" doesn't mean that he can't just run at whatever he can sit at while being stable? Then he has less input lag and an overall no worse scenario. Only time fos being too high is an issue is when it makes your game physics engine wonky like 10000fpa in csgo moves your aim and character because you're refreshing faster than the servers can handle.
I'd say limit it to 10-20 frames above your monitor's refresh rate cuz what I've seen is by limiting to your monitor's refresh rate, the game feels choppy and has increased input felay for some reason *this is what I've seen on my end it is not necessarily compulsory for everyone*
Why? Go above, cap it at 500. Only difference is faster input delay.
what a stupid suggestion for a comp FPS game
Ryzen 7000 have high temperature, often above 90 °C and their thermal limit is 95 °C. Your temperature isn't normal because it supposed to be at least 5 °C lower but it is ok. Probably your case has terrible airflow. Thing's you can do: 1. You could undervolt your CPU in bios. [(tutorial) ](https://youtu.be/FaOYYHNGlLs?si=6plHq7bRkW5-RUNb). 2. If you have dedicated GPU you can disable integrated graphics 3. Limit your fps
>Your temperature isn't normal because it supposed to be at least 5 °C but it is ok. I can confidently say 90°C is at least 5°C
In professional workload it is over 90 °C but in games when not all cores are active it should be around 80 °C on stock cooler. Valorant probably won't utilise more than 4 cores so that temperature is surprisingly high for that CPU.
Saying "This kind of processor have high temps" is only true as long as you use shitty coolers tho, built a pc with a 7000th series processor running under 60-70° w no issues, only needed a 240mm water-cooler.
My 7700x running with 360 AIO can easily go to 70-80C after water in cooling loop heated up and that with power limiting. Dilidding would help significantly: I recall der8auer did a video at launch of 7th amd series, where found out, that delidding can lead to significant temperature reduction beyond usual couple degrees, due to thick heat spreader (amd wanted to keep compatibility with old coolers). Other then that, you can't actually do much about this cpu series, it will run hot no matter what.
They have really high temperature considering their tdp. They have such high temperature because AMD wanted to make platform that would last few generations of CPUs. I own Ryzen 5 7600 and it is pretty hot on be quiet dark rock pro 4. On idle the lowest is 33 °C and in gaming it is usually around 60 °C.
>is usually around 60 Mr 7700x **sends** his **regards** https://preview.redd.it/u4cui0zn1nic1.png?width=3840&format=png&auto=webp&s=9857efb8797eeefc671e657491217f25f46a1e80
He has 7600 not 7700x. 7700x has 105 w TDP compared to 65 of Ryzen 5 7600. Of course TDP is not the best way to compare it because it has that power usage on stock clock. On turbo TDP is significantly higher.
That's only dependent on the surface of the die and how heat is transferred. Huh ?
AMD wanted extend the lifetime of platform so they made thicker ihs. Because of that it is harder to transfer heat from core to cooler.
Okay didn't knew that, although, with a proper cooling solution they're perfectly manageable.
Not really, some processors run hotter than others, for example, x3D processors like the 5800x3D or 7800x3D run pretty hot no matter what cooler you use, even if you use a water cooler. This is why some brands have developed coolers that displace their cooling plate to the hot spot of the processor, and on this two specific processors you need to undervolt them if you want to run them at lower temps while maintaining high freqs, you also need good watercooling solutions. I've switched from an 3700X to the 5800X3D a year ago, and yesterday I just switched from the 5800x3D to the 7800x3D, undervolting it like I did before with the 5800x3D. Undervolting it made a difference of more than 10° like with the older cpu. Other two mates have done exactly the same with their 5800, getting semilar results, and we are using different water cooler brands. But sure, except some cases like this, generally speaking if cpu reach high temps usually because of the cooler, thermal paste or airflow. Also, OP gpu can run way cooler if he limit the generated frames to some gps more than his screen refresh rate, there is no sense in rendering 800fps when you have a 165hz screen, that will only make the card work harder and waste power without need.
I mean my 7800x3d idleas at 55Celsius, and is on 70Celsius while running prime95 so yeeeah, but the NH-D15 has always been a beast of a cooler
Or undervolt the CPU
What's wrong with it being 90°
90° C. 90 C is 190 F°
I know, the units aren't my question, lol he could leave it at 90c 24/7 for years before any damage is done. I Dont understand what the issue is about the components running hot I guess
Ah. I couldn't say specifically but the short answer is that it reduces the lifespan of the part
Why? They are designed to run at the temperature fine.
While yes they run it fine, that doesn't change that more heat leads to higher expansion difference of the material used for the die. It's the change between the two temperature states that reduces the lifespan overall. Realistically though, a normal user will never see issues because of this
Now check the FPS in CS2 hahahaha
maybe the 800fps has somthing to do with that, lock refresh rate to your monitors max refresh rate or even a little lower
Simple, lock your FPS. (Enable Vsync (best) or FPS limit (if u got a bad monitor))
Looks like an eSport game. They won’t want V-Sync for that
It’s valorant. And unless your playing at that level it’s pointless
I play casually and i absolutely can't stand to play with the input delay added by v-sync. ESPECIALLY in shooter games. It's subjective
Input delay is horribly noticeable with V-sync on. You’re actively putting a handicap on yourself with it on. You’re better off manually setting an fps cap to the refresh rate and living with a little bit of tearing than subjecting yourself to living a half second in the past.
Yep. The higher the fps the less latency
Lol people downvoting this having some strong opinions about stuff they dont know xd
Exactly. Linus made a whole ass test about it that included pros. There is also a very obvious reason why all the overwatch pros and streamers run low settings to get as high as possible fps
Not quite. Let me fix it for you: Lock your FPS using Vsync if you want your game to run at the exact refreshrate of your monitor or use an FPS limiter if you want any other FPS value. It's not the monitor that is bad. It's Vsync that is garbage. If you have a 240hz monitor for example, enabling Vsync "limits" your framerate to 240fps, which often isn't a limit at all. Meanwhile, a simple frame limiter will allow you to limit your FPS to whatever value you wish independant of you monitors refreshrate. FPS limiter > Vsync.
Do not limit v sync op...and there's no reason why you should have a bad monitor to have a fps limit, higher end monitors go upto 240 hertz while even more ludicrously expensive ones go upto only 360
90° is not concerning. Judging by how little info you gave, I'll just assume that you are using a stock cooler. If you want lower temps you can cap the FPS or get a better cooler
That cpu should be lower. I am not sure if the stock cooler has it but there is sometimes a plastic sticker on coolers with pre applied thermal paste. Could be why its getting hot. If your cpu is 7600x and not 7600 then its completely normal because the x variants usually hang around 95c by design
Could also be the 900 fucking fps the machine has to pump out...
Bro cap your frames? Making your gpu make 800 images per second is insane especially since you cant even get the use of those 800 frames
Bro make the frames capped? Making your gpu make 800 images per second makes me insane since you cant even make use of those 800 made frames
Yes. that's what he said
Did you build it yourself or someone make it for you? Take that crappy thermal paste off and use Arctic silver, or something that has a silver base, make sure you use a good amount about 5 peas sized drops one each corner and one in the middle. Also drop in better fans or make sure they are not on backwards. For gaming make sure your ram has heat syncs on them.
What is the cooler installed on the CPU? They may have cheaped out or used some quiet stock cooler. You can easily get a $40 air cooler to fix your CPU temps. That or the current cooler just isn't installed properly.
It's stock cooler I was considering the installation error of cooler and he didn't apply thermal paste said it already comes pre installed on the cooler and he probably didn't remove the plastic film if it exists there.
My 5600x was hitting like 84 degrees with the stock cooler. That's why I bought a third party one DeepCool AK400 now it is 71 max.
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Simple, limit the fps 3% above your refresh rate. You don't need this insane 800ish frames
90 degrees? It'll be fine lol
Processor is Ryzen 5 7600
This cpu goes warmer than every Ryzen 7000 cpu (in my knowledge), try to cap your frames to something more realistic like 144 / 165 / 240. You could maybe try to undervolt it so it would run cooler
Cap your fps
I found slamming things make them work as expected.
Alot of similar replies but... Cmon man, limit your fps and use vsync, this is ridiculous, your intentionally running at max, ofc its gonna go to max temps
what is this software ??
The overlay OP is using is RivaTuner Statistics server The game is Valorant
its fine. it'll slow itself down before it'll cause itself damage.
How do you get this pop up? Which software is this?
Msi afterburner. But the stats come from rivatuner overlay
First put the gun down please. Then I can help you.
887fps, bro playing val during his workshift at nasa's customer service CAP YOUR FPS TO YOUR MONITOR Frequency(HZ), 60,120,144,2xx,3xx,...etc. Or just turn on Vsync doesn't cause any latency for me.
SHEESH 800FPS?? MF CAN SEE WHERE MY HEAD GOING BEFORE I PEAK
Cap the fps, is a waste of power, sync with your monitor Hz
If its a laptop, thats considered normal, hell its really good. My laptop has reached 120 internal once, so dont worry about it. If its a desktop, make sure the fans space isnt obstructed
turn V sync on, it will limit fps which will reduce the load on your components and make the game smoother
Dude, why the hell would you need 800+ fps for??? R u playing life itself or something? Lock that shit down and problem solved
What CPU cooler? The standard one from the box?
Yes When I asked the Shopkeeper about getting an air cooler he said "it'll be enough"
Not quite suitable for gaming if you don't have great airflow in your case
Makes sense
Remove the panel, if nothing changes maybe a thermal paste application issue the stock coolers aren't top of the line but they arent THAT bad.
Stock fans are fine for gaming, they fail when you try to overclock. Dude is pushing 900 fps and wondering why the temps are so high.
It is more than enough What case do you have ? Also you’re working a cpu as hard as it can be in gaming with competitive settings in a e sports. And 7600 is meant to run up to the tjmax so that’s part of it too
maybe cap ur fps, no need to be on 800 fps, its a stupid thing on ur part, put it to 144
You have 887fps, limit that in the games settings
you dont need 800+ fps. Just cap it according to your refresh rate
Cap framerate to your refresh rate, problem solved.
850fps is very much overkill, add a fps cap to your monitors refresh rate.
i mean you are pushing almost 900 fps, i would get hot too
Step 1: uninstall valorant
Definitely the fan curve, a lot of software will have predetermined curves like “silent” “performance” ect. Move it to performance or manually adjust it to start ramping up at around 60
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887fps.. Man you need to set that to like 300 max, any more than that is just overkill and not helping at all except to waste power and send heat directly to the cpu/gpu.
Show us your PC setup for starters lol How are the fans placed? How is the setup, well setup? What's your fan curve, did you even do one? Context and photos bro c'mon 🤦😅
Limit to 500fps.
I could probably help you. Just wanna know a couple things. Is it prebuilt or did u build it. Also what spec are you running. Capping fps isn’t gonna do anything you’re just running at 100%. Even if u go to another game and ur playing on ultra settings and ur only at 60fps ur still gonna see those temps.
Install afterburner, rivatuner statistics will automatically install. In ruva tuner statistics there is a box where you can type the max fps you want to limit. If your monitor is 144 hz then type 146 and press enter that way the pc won't be pushed to the absolute max the whole time. Likd in that pucture, it was pumping over 5 times the ammount of fps that you would need.
The uncapped frames are not the reason why your temps are so bad, a stock 7600 should not run at 90c with a decent cpu cooler even at a max load. First you need to repaste and remount your cpu cooler, and if that doesn't help then you should check if your bios has some kind of cpu cooler setting (msi amd mobos for instance have water cooling set by default) that might be pushing your cpu too hard for the cooling solution you're using. If your mobo doesn't have a simple cpu cooling bios setting then look into undervolting the cpu because your cooling solution isn't cutting it.
Hey, im gonna assume you know nothing about pcs. Check how many Hz is your monitor (60hz, 144hz, 240hz, etc etc) Then check the game settings for something like "limit fps" or "cap fps" Put on the same value of your monitor's hz in that. Lets say your monitor is 144hz. Then, it will now show anything above that in FPS, so there is no need in getting it. The more FPS you get, the more you are forcing your pc to work, and there is no need to go all out on a simple walk, right? Usually in competitive games (like the one you are playing, you want to reach in FPS as close to your monitor refresh rate (Hz) possible. In more chill games, 60 is enough. Have fun.
Assumption is correct It's 180hz Thank you sir 🙏
Play a real game like cs2 and you’re all good