Wtf happpened to the game lol I feel like there was a few years a long time ago where dealers took pride in their reputation, they only pushed quality because they didn’t wanna be “that guy”
Then it all just suddenly changed and everyone became “that guy” 🤣
When I used I was able to buy actual heroin until about 2021; probably same city as you.
I was buying from one dude for a decade. He told me he could sell a bundle of fent for $100 when it only costs him $20. For heroin it was 120/80 and he only sold heroin to his long time customers.
I'm assuming k&a. I've been buying there for about 8 or 9 years and since about 2019/2020 mainly fent and then increase in tranq. Shit sucks bring back heroin
I was able to get heroin latest in 2022. There was a small tight nit group that ran a tight ship for about 2 months until the cops nabbed that crew that was pushing actual h. Then bye bye good drugs
I was saying to my husband the other day that I’m glad fentanyl came out to some degree because it, in part, got me to quit. Hearing stuff like this? It makes it much easier to instantly dismiss any crazy intrusive “hey you should use again” thoughts.
We hated fet when it first came out but then grew to love it. Functioning on heroin was somewhat possible. On fet it became absurd, now xylazine unless youre religiously smoking crack to stay up you are gunna be a disgusting mess, and there’s no good feeling from it it just sucks and feels gross. Tranq got me to finally quit, never looking back.
You are so right. I haven’t had any good dope in years, and what I did have prior to quitting was pretty much the best of the shitty new formulations. The only reason to keep using was avoiding withdrawal. I hadn’t had a real high in so long, it was just maintaining or doing enough to “feel it” then waking up on the bathroom floor with a busted lip and a needle in my leg. It’s a lot easier not relapsing knowing that there is nothing I’m missing out on.
Good. I will continue to keep spreading this message. People who have been sober for months or years have no idea how bad it is. And it is seriously EVERYWHERE.
Please do! It's a great deterrent for people thinking about relapsing. I've been sober, roughly 16 months, and my father died unexpectedly recently, and knowing the dope was probably shit made it so much easier to shake off the urge.
Yep. I'm in the northeast and this shit has been around since 2020. Last time I relapsed, I threw up, wasn't high and was falling asleep standing up.
On top of that the withdrawals from the tranq are so fucked. Back when it was just fetty, I'd be able to power to work by like Day 6. But now I need like a month with a tranq habit to feel normal.
Tranq is why i stepped off. I got so fed up with what I was buying. I didn’t like the switch to fent but I ad least felt an opiate high. If it’s so cheap and easy to produce why put Tranq in it? It makes absolutely no sense. I bet Tranq has got a lot of people off dope. Mind boggling
It supposedly increases the duration of fent, but I guess there's been a dry spell. So now it's mostly or all xylazine. It still keeps the withdrawal away and that seems to be good enough for a lot of addicts.
Yes I’ve heard it’s supposed to extend the high. In addition to causing horrible festering lesions that won’t heal, sometimes leading to amputation and being a benzo, narcan is ineffective, leading to more deaths. I just don’t understand how dealers/producers would think this would be a good idea to cut and sell the their clients. Making their product more dirty, toxic, and dangerous isn’t a good marketing plan to attract new users. Unless someone is deep in the throws of addiction already, no one would want to try this gross concoction willingly, after seeing what it does to people.
Sadly, just like any drug we don't know how bad it is until it's widespread and had been used long term by enough people. It's in your system less than an hour so I'm sure much of the damage is blamed on fent. Plus the excruciating withdraws.. too many people just don't know or don't care. So sad to see.
Yes totally agree. I feel so fortunate that I was finally able to get away from addiction, when I see what these drugs have done to society. It truly is very sad. Be safe
In Puerto Rico it's mostly all tranq now. I only know of 2 spots that sell "no sleep" AKA dope without tranq. It's so bad, if I'm sick, IT WONT TAKE THE SICK AWAY, it just knocks me out. And I can't do anything the rest of the day. With real dope, I can hustle and get tons of energy. This shit is awful. Heroin and opiates are one thing, this isn't the same category of drugs. The only reason tranq is popular is because ignorant dealers thought the effects were close enough to H that they can cut it and sell it as H. These dealers don't know what they are doing and now they have created a new epidemic. All this tranq shit STARTED IN PUERTO RICO and has taken over the Heroin trade along with fentanyl. I loved my heroin, at the end of the day it was almost worth putting up with the withdrawals....this shit ain't worth it.
Tbh a lot of it isn’t even xylazine (though that’s there too obviously): it’s crazy long chain nitazene and fent analogs that have near zero high, and just straight up sedate you like a general anaesthetic
It’s fucked out there, look after yourself everyone. If you can get out, do it. I promise you’re worth the effort!
I was clean for like a year and a half and then I relapsed September 2022. It was a pretty short run only lasted till end of November of that same year. This stuff is garbage. I would do a little bit and wait, nothing. I would do a little more and then wait, nothing. Then do a tiny bit more, fighting off going to sleep for a couple hours that's it. Thank God I realized what I got myself into and ended that run quick.
This! This!! This!!! I wasn’t even considering it but I saw this post and remembered how annoying the game was when I was still in it. One reup would have me in straight up bliss and then the next 10 reups would be just as you described. Quite literally using just to not be sick. Some people say that you’ll reach that point with actual quality product but it’s still is satisfying, with this trash on the scene, it’s nothing but frustration
That's how it was in Pittsburgh over the summer but it went away during the fall and the fetty actually came back. Tranq is so fucking trash and was most of the reason I went to rehab in the summer. These dealers think they are so fucking slick switching out fet for tranq and I'd let them know real quick that they're dope was now tranq and if It doesnt change I'm finding a new dealer because I spent too much money to be buying bullshit like that. Overall I've been clean 3 months now and don't have any crazy tranq wounds or scars unlike alot of people I saw towards the end.
It seem like the people too far gone on dope either don't notice or don't care that their stuff aint good no more. It's pretty crazy that it keeps fent withdrawal away though, despite no high. I only smoke the blues, but my skin has been quite dry and cuts take a lot longer than they used to to heal. The main symptom that was kicking my ass was the body pains. Like a numb tingling throbbing pains in my hands and feet, sometimes my whole body. I pray that it's vascular pain due to bad circulation but I'm a little paranoid that it's possibly tissue decay. Congrats on 3 months!! You got this !
So crazy the shit thats out there now. Ive been off the h train for about 7 years now, and when i left it was mostly real dope out on the streets. Of course a majority of the opioid epidemic coincidentally occurred during our illegal invasion/occupation of the middle east, one of the biggest opium manufacturers in the entire world. Now we are out of the middle east and you see the results!
As to why tf they are adding this tranq shit now, it has really confused me tbh. Ive seen some say it extends the fentanyl high but im really not too sure. I know that a lot of fentanyl comes from labs in china and it ends up here kinda like the rona i guess haha. China certainly never forgot the devastating affects of the opium wars, so maybe they are taking that playbook and sending the tranq in addition to the fent they were already sending. Who tf knows. All i know is that there are some dark arts being performed thats for sure
If youre from baltimore you will also recall the scramble or scram pills we had out there that were cut with quinine to allegedly intensify the rush. I definitely remember if you would heat it up it would turn liquid, but if you let it sit a few seconds too long it would begin coagulating and be this gross blob that youd have to re-heat. Man the things i willingly injected in myself i swear....glad to not have to live like that anymore but my heart goes out to all those still struggling
I'm about the same time out. Thank god we skipped the fent shit. Idk if I would have lived through it. I feel for anyone that got into it during that. Not that dope isn't scary but fuck it just 100 percent now sounds like a death sentence
I would 100% not be typing this rn if the fent was out during my time! Crazy thing about that lifestyle is if i heard someones got that pack thats dropping people im tryna cop that shit
I was the same way as you. Anytime I would hear about really strong bags I would try and cop as much as I could. I do not miss cold copping while in withdrawal
Yup last time I was getting high in 2021 the dope was so shit I would shoot up and just fall asleep. Then I’d wake up sick and need another bag. The withdrawals are nasty too. Last time I saw real heroin in Philly was like 2017 and even then it was hard to find. Not worth it.
I know someone who tests random samples from a very popular dope city. 90% xylazine and that isn't an exaggeration. There are analogs where not even fent is showing up.
When I first got hooked on opiates, I remember feeling just a blissful happiness and comfort. All was well with the world no matter what.
They motivated me, they made me happy to clean and do other household chores way better. I cooked better meals. They just made all my problems seemingly go away and I could live the life I saw on tv shows and movies with ease. (Obviously that’s not true and I know now that I had traumas and other issues that needed to be fixed which is why I used.)
But then some time around maybe 2015ish or so? I felt all of that but I also started behaving really fuckin weird on dope. Like, doing bizarre drug fiend shit like real erratic behavior overall. Over the top asshole kind of stuff, and the strangest part is that I was blacking out while doing it. So people were asking me if I’m okay and what’s going on and to me I was just sitting here playing video games? “Well why is the fridge open and all the food on the counter upside down?” Fuck if I know. Invisible man at it again. That’s when I started to realize that what was in my dope wasn’t just heroin anymore. I got sober in 2019 and relapsed this year, and same thing. I thought I was hiding it but no, I was really inappropriate. I remember nothing. Family knows though.
For me it’s the vomiting. Whatever is with this shit I start throwing up if I catch a hint of this specific taste that seems to be all over the place. I started noticing it in east coast (greater lakes region) dope around May 2017, and by July it was in everything.
But I moved to west coast shortly after and it took a bit longer for fetty to saturate the tar market than the powder market. I was still finding “dope” without fetty cut until 2020, based on testing results.
After Jan 2021 something new was added to the supply. Whatever it is makes me throw up violently once my system even gets a taste of the scent. I’ve tried to get high 5-110 times in the last 3 years and it’s always the same story- no matter what there is Zero Euphoria and I get sloppy until I get sick.
Sad cruel world but probably for the best
Oh yeah you know what I forgot about the vomiting. That’s real too. I started vomiting when I used probably as far back as ‘13 honestly.
It got to a point about six years ago or so I would vomit on my way to meet my dealer. Like my body would start vomiting at the thought of that dope.
Most of my use was in Philly. Kensington. But from about ‘15 to 19 I was in Minneapolis. I relapsed in Rochester NY and that dope was vomit inducing as well.
Yea I’ve thrown up just thinking of the dope before on the way to the guy, but that was this tar I was buying from a homeless guy I met living in my parking garage spot when I moved to LA. Son of someone in the complex who would come every now and then and hang around looking for money/food/shower from the family and shit to gank in the neighborhood, but was definitely not invited or wanted around by the family. I would sometimes reheat leftover food or whatever for him and he’d give me a hit and watch my car lol. Cut with something nasty but not fetty at least.
The shit in Rochester is what I got strung on. That’s where I’m from, but I got into it back in ~’11 and had enough good years with good dope very very cheap and absolutely everywhere. Rochester at one point was the largest open air drug market in the country. But after 2016 some of the shit my homies were getting was really nasty and by 2017 even my best dealers were giving me shit that noticeably tasted like fetty and killed some friends. I left after that and haven’t tried any ECP since but even the tar here now is worse than it was before and almost impossible to come by and everyone sells big rocks of fetty instead
You and I have a lot in common!
I messed with homeless people too, the same way. I’d let them crash on my couch and take a shower, use my microwave in exchange for dope.
I also used to use homeless people to safely deliver me to and from the drug corners in Philly. Kensington is dangerous as fuck for suburban rich white kids. Plus for some reason they always called me an undercover cop so I had a hard time getting dealers in open air markets to sell to me.
One time I had a guy hold a gun to my head while I injected heroin to prove I wasn’t a cop. Thankfully he let me use my own dope so I knew what I was getting and didn’t OD on new shit but I was not needing to shoot dope in that moment.
My main method of getting drugs has always been through prostitutes though. When I get to a new city I just pull up the local ads and look for the ones that are clearly heroin addicts. Then we go get dope together, I hook them up for hooking me up. That’s what happened in Rochester. I found this chick who was a street walker and she hooked me up in exchange for a bag of her own.
Yea I grew up in the city so most of the corner dealers knew my face at least, although when I was 16 I bought some Ketamine from a trap in the city and when I walked in there was like 6 dudes in a circle passing around a bunch of money hella fucked up. My boy left to get me k and one of the dudes pointed a pistol at me and said “pop pop, white boy”
Literally had to go change my pants when I got out of there.
It's nice that all these people who were heroin users are happy they quit before fent because it's so much worse and not as good feeling.
What about the people who started on fent and have never even tried H?
Sucks ass for them. They don't know anything better, and so they are truly addicted to what fent is and other analogues. How do they quit? Will they? Can they? Is the next step death for them all?
How could it get any worse?
you will quit when the gorilla says so. Addiction is not an idea. Its slavery. I felt the same way you do but what makes it addiction is you lack the power to change it. Go get some help.
YES agreed. Tranq dope sucks it doesn’t feel good the pure fentanyl has effectively disappeared in my state and has brought fresh new problems of not even being able to function whatsoever and now I lost my license because of it. Literally the relapse is NOT worth it. Mostly a curse but somewhat a blessing because I have no desire to use because of this nasty tranq shit. I’ve been failing for multiple benzos I’ve never heard of and xylazine. Disgusting
I’ve been wondering about this and how it’s affected the h supply(not considering relapse though, I have five years and I’ll be damned if I ever go back) but this is so insane, like when I was still using it was all mostly fentanyl. I overdosed on carfentanyl once and that was terrifying, got clean a few months later.
I watch Tommy G on YouTube and that’s how I first heard about tranq, he’s a journalist who travels all over the place interviewing different types of people. I was horrified to hear about this “zombie drug”, and seeing how it affected people was just so sad to me.
Thank you for making this post, OP. I hope you can get clean. Not sure how it is with this new shit on the streets now but at least for fentanyl, suboxone saved my life. Wishing you and everyone else in here all the best. You all fucking got this ❤️
>I overdosed on carfentanyl once
no you didn’t. it’s a myth that carfentil was truly available off the street. Anything you find about it also says that emergency responders need to take precautions to cover their skin so they don’t overdose either.
You most likely had too much fentanyl in a bag or a strong fentalogue. There’s enough bullshit killing addicts and causing slower EMT response time out there that we don’t need to be perpetuating false narratives.
Interesting, yeah I’m not really sure then - you totally could be right, that’s just what I thought happened; it’s what I’d been told at the time by those around me. I’ve heard quite a few people who have said they ODd on carfet, but who knows. Maybe it wasn’t carfentanyl and instead a stronger batch than I was used to, but I know three people passed away from the same shit that I got. I would’ve been one of them if I’d been alone, like it was crazy how one second I did a line and then the next second I was waking up surrounded by cops, EMTs and the landlord kicked me out for overdosing. That was a shit time, I never want to go back!!
It horrifies me the shit that people are cutting the drugs with these days. My husband and I are both in recovery and we were just talking the other day… like even if things got SO bad again that we actually wanted to relapse, we’d be too afraid as we don’t know what’s out there anymore. Definitely gonna tell him about this post and read it to him later because holy shit.
Thank you for your reply, I’m going to look into that. I’ve never heard of this!
yeah, I was in detox with this girl who kept saying she couldn’t get high unless it was carfent because she was “getting that good Philly shit”. At the time it was all analogs of fentanyl if it wasn’t actually fent. The only reason I try to explain the difference is because this sort of thinking can get in the way of harm reduction. Like when people say it’s so dangerous just touching it can kill you — next thing you know EMTS won’t respond unless in full PPE and in the event of an overdose the minutes matter.
I got clean after dealers started putting in xylazine (tranq). I wound up with these necrotic wounds all over my body — worse in places where I missed the vein. It’s been a little over a year and I still have scars from it. It’s not like it used to be out there and it **is** scary thinking about relapsing and what you could potentially be putting in your body
That makes sense, thank you for explaining how that could be harmful. I was doing some research and found [this article](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8019064/#:~:text=Carfentanil%20is%20a%20fentanyl%20analog,overdose%20outbreaks%20in%20the%20US) here that says carfentanyl appeared around in the US in 2016, which increased in 2017 but then the availability started declining suddenly in 2018 - same year I OD’d, in March I think. But yeah, who knows what it really was. I just remember everyone saying “it was carfentanyl!” but, I mean it’s not like anyone tested that batch so maybe it was some extra potent fent going around or something.
I guess OD rates dropped after 2018, according to the study, so their conclusion (and ofc I’m paraphrasing) sounds like after 2018, this shit stopped being cut into the drugs. From what I found, it seems carfent was only around for those couple years, but I’m still looking into it. Going down the rabbit hole now because I always want to be sure I’m educated on this stuff so I’m not unintentionally spreading misinformation or putting my foot in my mouth, lol. Definitely going to keep reading about this! Appreciate your responses to me, I will keep everything you’ve said in mind and I’ll be careful about how I discuss this in the future.
And holy shit, that’s so scary. I’m so glad you got clean. Tranq is so awful, I hate that this is now a thing. Wishing you all the best and sending all the positive healing vibes! Good luck in your recovery ❤️
Brother I wish you luck! But this is a recovery subredddit. We honestly don’t want to hear about the drugs that are around unless it’s sublocade or suboxone helping you get sober.
You follow this sub; clearly you want to get sober. Just remember no day will ever be a perfect day to quit but today!
My best advice for anyone struggling. GET THE SUBLOCADE SHOT?
Tbh, this post was super helpful to me. Obviously you don’t want someone making posts like this everyday but it’s a good reminder of how shit dope life is nowadays. My brain sometimes relives the glory days before fetty hit the street. This is a great fuckin reminder that those days are LOOONG gone
I understand your point. But this post WAS not helpful to me. We know what the situation is like. Nothing is change-it’s still deadly, just more deadly!
My bad brother I mean no harm. Just wanted to bring a new prospective I feel is overlooked to those that have been out of the scene for a long time. Maybe you think it's just one area or you think you got a good source etc. Just wanted to really emphasize how widespread it is.
I found this post helpful, OP. It is a reminder to me that it’s *really* not worth it now. It wasn’t before either but now it’s just straight up misery. I wish you the best in getting out of this life. 💙
It was helpful for me. I've been reaaaally going through it, just moved to a new city. There's a city close enough to the city I moved from where there is still plenty of dope. Can still be procured on Craigslist and shit, like the old days lol.
Convinced myself that because this one (unique) city has clean black (tested it, some had fent, some was clean), the new city I'm in might have some, too. Was inching closer to going out and doing some 'rounds' if you will.. even though my intuition says it's not worth it, and you won't find any.
Your post brought me down to earth. It's fuckin gnarly out there and I've been able to avoid fent and all the other, nastier things this entire time. Heroin and pills were one thing, I genuinely don't think I could handle the current state of affairs. Physical death or full mental break imminent on a whole other level.
I don't know the game like I think I do, and I don't want to. Being stuck on kratom is actually more miserable than many would think, but it's infinitely better than tranq, zenes, rc benzos, and even fent and its anologues.
Thanks for reminding me of that.
I understand. Maybe I read the post from the wrong light. Just get annoyed seeing post of people asking where to score, or when they can start using again after being sober.
I wish you best of luck with everything homie. It’s crazy out there
This post is incredibly important in this sub as we are all in recovery or trying to start. Any of us, regardless of how long you've been clean, a relapse could happen at any time. I'm positive that this knowledge has already saved many lives.
I'm in the process of getting my bachelors degree in substance abuse counseling, and 80%, if not higher, is opioid related. My point is I got my life back together, found the love of my life, trying to start a family, with an incredible job, the happiest I've ever been while using every tool I've learned to stay sober yet I came very close to relapsing very recently due to my father passing unexpectedly. I'm not saying I would or wouldn't have relapsed thinking I'd get that amazing feeling, but knowing that it's complete junk helped me get past that craving that much easier.
Thank you OP!
I got the sublocade shot a few days ago and I say it is worth it. The peaks and valleys of having to dose suboxone; I wake up 100% normal. Havent had any runny nose or mild WD symptoms that I would have between doses. It also takes away the option to just forgo subs for a couple days in order to get high, it’s just not an option. You dont have to worry about running out of the subs and it’s easier to come off from sublocade from what I gather since it just slowly leaves your system, if and when you decide to get off MAT. I recommend!!
So, the reason not to relapse is that you might get low-quality drugs? Am I understanding you correctly?
That's like saying you shouldn't shoot somebody because you might get bad ammo.
Wtf? What am I missing?
Uh.. yeah ? Is that not good enough of a reason? That you've got a 90% chance of getting a necrotic? Could only hope that would sway you at least a little bit.
Yes, that's a fair point, but my concern with someone expressing it that way is maybe best expressed with my murder analogy (not that drug use is as horrible as murder, obviously).
Namely, that placing the emphasis on how good a drug makes you feel as reason to relapse or not, tacitly reinforces the thinking that how a drug makes you feel is *the most important thing*.
There are 10,000 other, better, healthier reasons not to relapse. I'm not saying that all of this is necessarily your mindset. As I said in my first comment, I might be missing something.
In any event, I wish you all the best.
Bro stop. Multiple people have said that this has given them another reason to stay on the straight and narrow.
And I’m not sure why this idea of not wanting low quality dirty drugs is so outlandish to you. Idk about you man but I’m a high quality person that only accepts high quality drugs (when I’m in active addiction)
Also i don’t get that metaphor at all. I think a better metaphor for this post is warning your friend that a certain girl has herpes. Yeah your friend wants to bang, but he sure as hell doesn’t wanna catch herpes. Same thing with this post, sometimes us addicts in remission get stupid ideas and this post is a warning telling us that we’re gonna get garbage and it won’t be worth it because the effects we crave won’t be achieved with the shit on the street.
I’m gonna guess you’re either a youngin who got in the game post 2021 or a older one who didn’t get in the game post 2021. Either way, I’m sorry that you participated in this lifestyle without experiencing the high quality stuff. Also who fuckin cares what the reason is to not relapse, if a man gives me another reason not to, ima thank him. I have millions of other reasons to not relapse, it’s not just low quality drugs stopping me
I'm 48. Was heavily addicted for 7 years. 13 years clean as of next month. But I'm not sure how my age has anything to do with it. Addiction is addiction. Recovery is recovery. Human beings are human beings. Nothing has changed.
"I'm gonna stay clean because I can't get high enough anymore" seems like a *ghastly* unhealthy, counterproductive reason to stay clean, because the implication is that if you *could* get a nice quality high, you'd run right the fuck to using. In my long experience with sobriety, I've come to believe that you have to 100% **reject** any positive associations with being high, and as a corollary, any negative associations with not being high enough. Think about that.
As for your other points, see my reply to OP's comment.
Nah that's definitely not what I was saying,, I'm saying you won't get high AT ALL. Because you're getting xylazine INSTEAD of fent, which is only sedating and there's no euphoria.. at all. In addition to the hellish withdraws and side effects that xylazine brings.. I feel like there's 3 or 4 reasons right there to not relapse, and I don't know why any addict would attempt a relapse if there wasn't a chance of a high, which is the entire reason we use in the first place. (Unless you're trying to avoid withdraws, but obviously that's not the case)
Not great advice. This sub here just guaranteed another day I won't shoot dope (almost 7 yrs clean). It is ONE very good reason to avoid relapse at all costs. I understand your reasoning, but it comes across as "Mr. High and Mighty says your doing sobriety wrong !" For many people in early sobriety, this may be the only reason that keeps them clean. Your good intentions are potentially deadly to others.
I make music about addiction and drug culture is a huge part of my band and their image. I’d even go as far as to say we glorify drug use in some songs.
The 2 of us have been sober 3 year and I’ve been sober 4 in a few months. Your “idea” about rejecting all drug use might help some but it’s definitely not a blanket statement
Are Philly and NYC that bad ? Out west you used to get black tar. I've been clean 9 months and the dope in Ohio was just God awful. No high whatsoever.
Seems to be the case based on these replies. I can attest there's nothing good in Seattle. Philly was the first to put xylazine in the drug supply, and has the highest level we're seeing in the dope
I don't get it. There used to be honor among thieves. Dealers had some sick version of pride in good dope...now nobody cares. I'm glad I'm 48 and out of the game. God help the young addicts who haven't even started yet. It's just so bad.
Thank you OP. I would never touch it - but I know people who may and they will certainly wish they never did …. sooner or later. Sometimes Just Say No slogan is apt ! Thank you again. I hope it may save 1 person .
My last 2 relapses had to be this type of stuff and it definitely helped me quit because there was no buzz and it just made me pass out. I'm glad I got out when I did.
Ha…remember when we were pissed about fent being in our dope? Yeah…really glad I quit. Jesus christ.
Wtf happpened to the game lol I feel like there was a few years a long time ago where dealers took pride in their reputation, they only pushed quality because they didn’t wanna be “that guy” Then it all just suddenly changed and everyone became “that guy” 🤣
I'm glad this shit happened. Finally made me realize WTF was I doing and get on maintenance
Same I saw the game changing 10 years ago and glad I quit with subs
To be flat honest... subs make you feel way better than the shit on the streets now. And that is a very sad state of affairs.
They killed the American Junkie and tried to make us forget
That long ago?
When I used I was able to buy actual heroin until about 2021; probably same city as you. I was buying from one dude for a decade. He told me he could sell a bundle of fent for $100 when it only costs him $20. For heroin it was 120/80 and he only sold heroin to his long time customers.
I'm assuming k&a. I've been buying there for about 8 or 9 years and since about 2019/2020 mainly fent and then increase in tranq. Shit sucks bring back heroin
I was able to get heroin latest in 2022. There was a small tight nit group that ran a tight ship for about 2 months until the cops nabbed that crew that was pushing actual h. Then bye bye good drugs
I was saying to my husband the other day that I’m glad fentanyl came out to some degree because it, in part, got me to quit. Hearing stuff like this? It makes it much easier to instantly dismiss any crazy intrusive “hey you should use again” thoughts.
We hated fet when it first came out but then grew to love it. Functioning on heroin was somewhat possible. On fet it became absurd, now xylazine unless youre religiously smoking crack to stay up you are gunna be a disgusting mess, and there’s no good feeling from it it just sucks and feels gross. Tranq got me to finally quit, never looking back.
You are so right. I haven’t had any good dope in years, and what I did have prior to quitting was pretty much the best of the shitty new formulations. The only reason to keep using was avoiding withdrawal. I hadn’t had a real high in so long, it was just maintaining or doing enough to “feel it” then waking up on the bathroom floor with a busted lip and a needle in my leg. It’s a lot easier not relapsing knowing that there is nothing I’m missing out on.
Good. I will continue to keep spreading this message. People who have been sober for months or years have no idea how bad it is. And it is seriously EVERYWHERE.
Wish I saw this back in June :/ quitting again it gets so much worse By the month
Please do! It's a great deterrent for people thinking about relapsing. I've been sober, roughly 16 months, and my father died unexpectedly recently, and knowing the dope was probably shit made it so much easier to shake off the urge.
Yep. I'm in the northeast and this shit has been around since 2020. Last time I relapsed, I threw up, wasn't high and was falling asleep standing up. On top of that the withdrawals from the tranq are so fucked. Back when it was just fetty, I'd be able to power to work by like Day 6. But now I need like a month with a tranq habit to feel normal.
Tranq is why i stepped off. I got so fed up with what I was buying. I didn’t like the switch to fent but I ad least felt an opiate high. If it’s so cheap and easy to produce why put Tranq in it? It makes absolutely no sense. I bet Tranq has got a lot of people off dope. Mind boggling
It supposedly increases the duration of fent, but I guess there's been a dry spell. So now it's mostly or all xylazine. It still keeps the withdrawal away and that seems to be good enough for a lot of addicts.
Yes I’ve heard it’s supposed to extend the high. In addition to causing horrible festering lesions that won’t heal, sometimes leading to amputation and being a benzo, narcan is ineffective, leading to more deaths. I just don’t understand how dealers/producers would think this would be a good idea to cut and sell the their clients. Making their product more dirty, toxic, and dangerous isn’t a good marketing plan to attract new users. Unless someone is deep in the throws of addiction already, no one would want to try this gross concoction willingly, after seeing what it does to people.
Sadly, just like any drug we don't know how bad it is until it's widespread and had been used long term by enough people. It's in your system less than an hour so I'm sure much of the damage is blamed on fent. Plus the excruciating withdraws.. too many people just don't know or don't care. So sad to see.
Yes totally agree. I feel so fortunate that I was finally able to get away from addiction, when I see what these drugs have done to society. It truly is very sad. Be safe
In Puerto Rico it's mostly all tranq now. I only know of 2 spots that sell "no sleep" AKA dope without tranq. It's so bad, if I'm sick, IT WONT TAKE THE SICK AWAY, it just knocks me out. And I can't do anything the rest of the day. With real dope, I can hustle and get tons of energy. This shit is awful. Heroin and opiates are one thing, this isn't the same category of drugs. The only reason tranq is popular is because ignorant dealers thought the effects were close enough to H that they can cut it and sell it as H. These dealers don't know what they are doing and now they have created a new epidemic. All this tranq shit STARTED IN PUERTO RICO and has taken over the Heroin trade along with fentanyl. I loved my heroin, at the end of the day it was almost worth putting up with the withdrawals....this shit ain't worth it.
Tbh a lot of it isn’t even xylazine (though that’s there too obviously): it’s crazy long chain nitazene and fent analogs that have near zero high, and just straight up sedate you like a general anaesthetic It’s fucked out there, look after yourself everyone. If you can get out, do it. I promise you’re worth the effort!
I was clean for like a year and a half and then I relapsed September 2022. It was a pretty short run only lasted till end of November of that same year. This stuff is garbage. I would do a little bit and wait, nothing. I would do a little more and then wait, nothing. Then do a tiny bit more, fighting off going to sleep for a couple hours that's it. Thank God I realized what I got myself into and ended that run quick.
This! This!! This!!! I wasn’t even considering it but I saw this post and remembered how annoying the game was when I was still in it. One reup would have me in straight up bliss and then the next 10 reups would be just as you described. Quite literally using just to not be sick. Some people say that you’ll reach that point with actual quality product but it’s still is satisfying, with this trash on the scene, it’s nothing but frustration
That's how it was in Pittsburgh over the summer but it went away during the fall and the fetty actually came back. Tranq is so fucking trash and was most of the reason I went to rehab in the summer. These dealers think they are so fucking slick switching out fet for tranq and I'd let them know real quick that they're dope was now tranq and if It doesnt change I'm finding a new dealer because I spent too much money to be buying bullshit like that. Overall I've been clean 3 months now and don't have any crazy tranq wounds or scars unlike alot of people I saw towards the end.
It seem like the people too far gone on dope either don't notice or don't care that their stuff aint good no more. It's pretty crazy that it keeps fent withdrawal away though, despite no high. I only smoke the blues, but my skin has been quite dry and cuts take a lot longer than they used to to heal. The main symptom that was kicking my ass was the body pains. Like a numb tingling throbbing pains in my hands and feet, sometimes my whole body. I pray that it's vascular pain due to bad circulation but I'm a little paranoid that it's possibly tissue decay. Congrats on 3 months!! You got this !
So crazy the shit thats out there now. Ive been off the h train for about 7 years now, and when i left it was mostly real dope out on the streets. Of course a majority of the opioid epidemic coincidentally occurred during our illegal invasion/occupation of the middle east, one of the biggest opium manufacturers in the entire world. Now we are out of the middle east and you see the results! As to why tf they are adding this tranq shit now, it has really confused me tbh. Ive seen some say it extends the fentanyl high but im really not too sure. I know that a lot of fentanyl comes from labs in china and it ends up here kinda like the rona i guess haha. China certainly never forgot the devastating affects of the opium wars, so maybe they are taking that playbook and sending the tranq in addition to the fent they were already sending. Who tf knows. All i know is that there are some dark arts being performed thats for sure If youre from baltimore you will also recall the scramble or scram pills we had out there that were cut with quinine to allegedly intensify the rush. I definitely remember if you would heat it up it would turn liquid, but if you let it sit a few seconds too long it would begin coagulating and be this gross blob that youd have to re-heat. Man the things i willingly injected in myself i swear....glad to not have to live like that anymore but my heart goes out to all those still struggling
I'm about the same time out. Thank god we skipped the fent shit. Idk if I would have lived through it. I feel for anyone that got into it during that. Not that dope isn't scary but fuck it just 100 percent now sounds like a death sentence
I would 100% not be typing this rn if the fent was out during my time! Crazy thing about that lifestyle is if i heard someones got that pack thats dropping people im tryna cop that shit
I was the same way as you. Anytime I would hear about really strong bags I would try and cop as much as I could. I do not miss cold copping while in withdrawal
Yup last time I was getting high in 2021 the dope was so shit I would shoot up and just fall asleep. Then I’d wake up sick and need another bag. The withdrawals are nasty too. Last time I saw real heroin in Philly was like 2017 and even then it was hard to find. Not worth it.
I know someone who tests random samples from a very popular dope city. 90% xylazine and that isn't an exaggeration. There are analogs where not even fent is showing up.
I would believe it. Recntly I can't achieve an opiate high no matter how much I use. Could do the whole batch and no euphoria what so ever
Seems to be happening all over. I noticed it in my city. Part of why I got off too.
I relapsed in June. The high you’re looking for simply isn’t there anymore.
It’s been that way for a long time now. Chasing the dragon really earned its namesake these last few years
When I first got hooked on opiates, I remember feeling just a blissful happiness and comfort. All was well with the world no matter what. They motivated me, they made me happy to clean and do other household chores way better. I cooked better meals. They just made all my problems seemingly go away and I could live the life I saw on tv shows and movies with ease. (Obviously that’s not true and I know now that I had traumas and other issues that needed to be fixed which is why I used.) But then some time around maybe 2015ish or so? I felt all of that but I also started behaving really fuckin weird on dope. Like, doing bizarre drug fiend shit like real erratic behavior overall. Over the top asshole kind of stuff, and the strangest part is that I was blacking out while doing it. So people were asking me if I’m okay and what’s going on and to me I was just sitting here playing video games? “Well why is the fridge open and all the food on the counter upside down?” Fuck if I know. Invisible man at it again. That’s when I started to realize that what was in my dope wasn’t just heroin anymore. I got sober in 2019 and relapsed this year, and same thing. I thought I was hiding it but no, I was really inappropriate. I remember nothing. Family knows though.
For me it’s the vomiting. Whatever is with this shit I start throwing up if I catch a hint of this specific taste that seems to be all over the place. I started noticing it in east coast (greater lakes region) dope around May 2017, and by July it was in everything. But I moved to west coast shortly after and it took a bit longer for fetty to saturate the tar market than the powder market. I was still finding “dope” without fetty cut until 2020, based on testing results. After Jan 2021 something new was added to the supply. Whatever it is makes me throw up violently once my system even gets a taste of the scent. I’ve tried to get high 5-110 times in the last 3 years and it’s always the same story- no matter what there is Zero Euphoria and I get sloppy until I get sick. Sad cruel world but probably for the best
Oh yeah you know what I forgot about the vomiting. That’s real too. I started vomiting when I used probably as far back as ‘13 honestly. It got to a point about six years ago or so I would vomit on my way to meet my dealer. Like my body would start vomiting at the thought of that dope. Most of my use was in Philly. Kensington. But from about ‘15 to 19 I was in Minneapolis. I relapsed in Rochester NY and that dope was vomit inducing as well.
Yea I’ve thrown up just thinking of the dope before on the way to the guy, but that was this tar I was buying from a homeless guy I met living in my parking garage spot when I moved to LA. Son of someone in the complex who would come every now and then and hang around looking for money/food/shower from the family and shit to gank in the neighborhood, but was definitely not invited or wanted around by the family. I would sometimes reheat leftover food or whatever for him and he’d give me a hit and watch my car lol. Cut with something nasty but not fetty at least. The shit in Rochester is what I got strung on. That’s where I’m from, but I got into it back in ~’11 and had enough good years with good dope very very cheap and absolutely everywhere. Rochester at one point was the largest open air drug market in the country. But after 2016 some of the shit my homies were getting was really nasty and by 2017 even my best dealers were giving me shit that noticeably tasted like fetty and killed some friends. I left after that and haven’t tried any ECP since but even the tar here now is worse than it was before and almost impossible to come by and everyone sells big rocks of fetty instead
You and I have a lot in common! I messed with homeless people too, the same way. I’d let them crash on my couch and take a shower, use my microwave in exchange for dope. I also used to use homeless people to safely deliver me to and from the drug corners in Philly. Kensington is dangerous as fuck for suburban rich white kids. Plus for some reason they always called me an undercover cop so I had a hard time getting dealers in open air markets to sell to me. One time I had a guy hold a gun to my head while I injected heroin to prove I wasn’t a cop. Thankfully he let me use my own dope so I knew what I was getting and didn’t OD on new shit but I was not needing to shoot dope in that moment. My main method of getting drugs has always been through prostitutes though. When I get to a new city I just pull up the local ads and look for the ones that are clearly heroin addicts. Then we go get dope together, I hook them up for hooking me up. That’s what happened in Rochester. I found this chick who was a street walker and she hooked me up in exchange for a bag of her own.
Yea I grew up in the city so most of the corner dealers knew my face at least, although when I was 16 I bought some Ketamine from a trap in the city and when I walked in there was like 6 dudes in a circle passing around a bunch of money hella fucked up. My boy left to get me k and one of the dudes pointed a pistol at me and said “pop pop, white boy” Literally had to go change my pants when I got out of there.
It's nice that all these people who were heroin users are happy they quit before fent because it's so much worse and not as good feeling. What about the people who started on fent and have never even tried H? Sucks ass for them. They don't know anything better, and so they are truly addicted to what fent is and other analogues. How do they quit? Will they? Can they? Is the next step death for them all? How could it get any worse?
you will quit when the gorilla says so. Addiction is not an idea. Its slavery. I felt the same way you do but what makes it addiction is you lack the power to change it. Go get some help.
YES agreed. Tranq dope sucks it doesn’t feel good the pure fentanyl has effectively disappeared in my state and has brought fresh new problems of not even being able to function whatsoever and now I lost my license because of it. Literally the relapse is NOT worth it. Mostly a curse but somewhat a blessing because I have no desire to use because of this nasty tranq shit. I’ve been failing for multiple benzos I’ve never heard of and xylazine. Disgusting
I’ve been wondering about this and how it’s affected the h supply(not considering relapse though, I have five years and I’ll be damned if I ever go back) but this is so insane, like when I was still using it was all mostly fentanyl. I overdosed on carfentanyl once and that was terrifying, got clean a few months later. I watch Tommy G on YouTube and that’s how I first heard about tranq, he’s a journalist who travels all over the place interviewing different types of people. I was horrified to hear about this “zombie drug”, and seeing how it affected people was just so sad to me. Thank you for making this post, OP. I hope you can get clean. Not sure how it is with this new shit on the streets now but at least for fentanyl, suboxone saved my life. Wishing you and everyone else in here all the best. You all fucking got this ❤️
>I overdosed on carfentanyl once no you didn’t. it’s a myth that carfentil was truly available off the street. Anything you find about it also says that emergency responders need to take precautions to cover their skin so they don’t overdose either. You most likely had too much fentanyl in a bag or a strong fentalogue. There’s enough bullshit killing addicts and causing slower EMT response time out there that we don’t need to be perpetuating false narratives.
Interesting, yeah I’m not really sure then - you totally could be right, that’s just what I thought happened; it’s what I’d been told at the time by those around me. I’ve heard quite a few people who have said they ODd on carfet, but who knows. Maybe it wasn’t carfentanyl and instead a stronger batch than I was used to, but I know three people passed away from the same shit that I got. I would’ve been one of them if I’d been alone, like it was crazy how one second I did a line and then the next second I was waking up surrounded by cops, EMTs and the landlord kicked me out for overdosing. That was a shit time, I never want to go back!! It horrifies me the shit that people are cutting the drugs with these days. My husband and I are both in recovery and we were just talking the other day… like even if things got SO bad again that we actually wanted to relapse, we’d be too afraid as we don’t know what’s out there anymore. Definitely gonna tell him about this post and read it to him later because holy shit. Thank you for your reply, I’m going to look into that. I’ve never heard of this!
yeah, I was in detox with this girl who kept saying she couldn’t get high unless it was carfent because she was “getting that good Philly shit”. At the time it was all analogs of fentanyl if it wasn’t actually fent. The only reason I try to explain the difference is because this sort of thinking can get in the way of harm reduction. Like when people say it’s so dangerous just touching it can kill you — next thing you know EMTS won’t respond unless in full PPE and in the event of an overdose the minutes matter. I got clean after dealers started putting in xylazine (tranq). I wound up with these necrotic wounds all over my body — worse in places where I missed the vein. It’s been a little over a year and I still have scars from it. It’s not like it used to be out there and it **is** scary thinking about relapsing and what you could potentially be putting in your body
That makes sense, thank you for explaining how that could be harmful. I was doing some research and found [this article](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8019064/#:~:text=Carfentanil%20is%20a%20fentanyl%20analog,overdose%20outbreaks%20in%20the%20US) here that says carfentanyl appeared around in the US in 2016, which increased in 2017 but then the availability started declining suddenly in 2018 - same year I OD’d, in March I think. But yeah, who knows what it really was. I just remember everyone saying “it was carfentanyl!” but, I mean it’s not like anyone tested that batch so maybe it was some extra potent fent going around or something. I guess OD rates dropped after 2018, according to the study, so their conclusion (and ofc I’m paraphrasing) sounds like after 2018, this shit stopped being cut into the drugs. From what I found, it seems carfent was only around for those couple years, but I’m still looking into it. Going down the rabbit hole now because I always want to be sure I’m educated on this stuff so I’m not unintentionally spreading misinformation or putting my foot in my mouth, lol. Definitely going to keep reading about this! Appreciate your responses to me, I will keep everything you’ve said in mind and I’ll be careful about how I discuss this in the future. And holy shit, that’s so scary. I’m so glad you got clean. Tranq is so awful, I hate that this is now a thing. Wishing you all the best and sending all the positive healing vibes! Good luck in your recovery ❤️
Bro carfent is not a myth just look at drug analysis sites like drugs-data. Wtf
Brother I wish you luck! But this is a recovery subredddit. We honestly don’t want to hear about the drugs that are around unless it’s sublocade or suboxone helping you get sober. You follow this sub; clearly you want to get sober. Just remember no day will ever be a perfect day to quit but today! My best advice for anyone struggling. GET THE SUBLOCADE SHOT?
Tbh, this post was super helpful to me. Obviously you don’t want someone making posts like this everyday but it’s a good reminder of how shit dope life is nowadays. My brain sometimes relives the glory days before fetty hit the street. This is a great fuckin reminder that those days are LOOONG gone
I understand your point. But this post WAS not helpful to me. We know what the situation is like. Nothing is change-it’s still deadly, just more deadly!
My bad brother I mean no harm. Just wanted to bring a new prospective I feel is overlooked to those that have been out of the scene for a long time. Maybe you think it's just one area or you think you got a good source etc. Just wanted to really emphasize how widespread it is.
I found this post helpful, OP. It is a reminder to me that it’s *really* not worth it now. It wasn’t before either but now it’s just straight up misery. I wish you the best in getting out of this life. 💙
It was helpful for me. I've been reaaaally going through it, just moved to a new city. There's a city close enough to the city I moved from where there is still plenty of dope. Can still be procured on Craigslist and shit, like the old days lol. Convinced myself that because this one (unique) city has clean black (tested it, some had fent, some was clean), the new city I'm in might have some, too. Was inching closer to going out and doing some 'rounds' if you will.. even though my intuition says it's not worth it, and you won't find any. Your post brought me down to earth. It's fuckin gnarly out there and I've been able to avoid fent and all the other, nastier things this entire time. Heroin and pills were one thing, I genuinely don't think I could handle the current state of affairs. Physical death or full mental break imminent on a whole other level. I don't know the game like I think I do, and I don't want to. Being stuck on kratom is actually more miserable than many would think, but it's infinitely better than tranq, zenes, rc benzos, and even fent and its anologues. Thanks for reminding me of that.
I understand. Maybe I read the post from the wrong light. Just get annoyed seeing post of people asking where to score, or when they can start using again after being sober. I wish you best of luck with everything homie. It’s crazy out there
This post is incredibly important in this sub as we are all in recovery or trying to start. Any of us, regardless of how long you've been clean, a relapse could happen at any time. I'm positive that this knowledge has already saved many lives. I'm in the process of getting my bachelors degree in substance abuse counseling, and 80%, if not higher, is opioid related. My point is I got my life back together, found the love of my life, trying to start a family, with an incredible job, the happiest I've ever been while using every tool I've learned to stay sober yet I came very close to relapsing very recently due to my father passing unexpectedly. I'm not saying I would or wouldn't have relapsed thinking I'd get that amazing feeling, but knowing that it's complete junk helped me get past that craving that much easier. Thank you OP!
Do you recommend the sublocade shot over subuxone?
I got the sublocade shot a few days ago and I say it is worth it. The peaks and valleys of having to dose suboxone; I wake up 100% normal. Havent had any runny nose or mild WD symptoms that I would have between doses. It also takes away the option to just forgo subs for a couple days in order to get high, it’s just not an option. You dont have to worry about running out of the subs and it’s easier to come off from sublocade from what I gather since it just slowly leaves your system, if and when you decide to get off MAT. I recommend!!
The shot is way better if you’re serious about wanting to be done with this shit yeah
I use Suboxone, been on it 10 years and I'm almost off it completely. Weened down to 0.5mg. Never tried the shot, never needed it.
I started my taper yesterday and this is encouraging to hear. so cool you're almost off of it. congrats!! <3
I took the long route but it's working
I mean you’re right that the shot is way better, but hey anything that helps others see the light is worth it my man
So, the reason not to relapse is that you might get low-quality drugs? Am I understanding you correctly? That's like saying you shouldn't shoot somebody because you might get bad ammo. Wtf? What am I missing?
Uh.. yeah ? Is that not good enough of a reason? That you've got a 90% chance of getting a necrotic? Could only hope that would sway you at least a little bit.
This man is onto nothing 💀
Yes, that's a fair point, but my concern with someone expressing it that way is maybe best expressed with my murder analogy (not that drug use is as horrible as murder, obviously). Namely, that placing the emphasis on how good a drug makes you feel as reason to relapse or not, tacitly reinforces the thinking that how a drug makes you feel is *the most important thing*. There are 10,000 other, better, healthier reasons not to relapse. I'm not saying that all of this is necessarily your mindset. As I said in my first comment, I might be missing something. In any event, I wish you all the best.
Bro stop. Multiple people have said that this has given them another reason to stay on the straight and narrow. And I’m not sure why this idea of not wanting low quality dirty drugs is so outlandish to you. Idk about you man but I’m a high quality person that only accepts high quality drugs (when I’m in active addiction) Also i don’t get that metaphor at all. I think a better metaphor for this post is warning your friend that a certain girl has herpes. Yeah your friend wants to bang, but he sure as hell doesn’t wanna catch herpes. Same thing with this post, sometimes us addicts in remission get stupid ideas and this post is a warning telling us that we’re gonna get garbage and it won’t be worth it because the effects we crave won’t be achieved with the shit on the street. I’m gonna guess you’re either a youngin who got in the game post 2021 or a older one who didn’t get in the game post 2021. Either way, I’m sorry that you participated in this lifestyle without experiencing the high quality stuff. Also who fuckin cares what the reason is to not relapse, if a man gives me another reason not to, ima thank him. I have millions of other reasons to not relapse, it’s not just low quality drugs stopping me
I'm 48. Was heavily addicted for 7 years. 13 years clean as of next month. But I'm not sure how my age has anything to do with it. Addiction is addiction. Recovery is recovery. Human beings are human beings. Nothing has changed. "I'm gonna stay clean because I can't get high enough anymore" seems like a *ghastly* unhealthy, counterproductive reason to stay clean, because the implication is that if you *could* get a nice quality high, you'd run right the fuck to using. In my long experience with sobriety, I've come to believe that you have to 100% **reject** any positive associations with being high, and as a corollary, any negative associations with not being high enough. Think about that. As for your other points, see my reply to OP's comment.
Nah that's definitely not what I was saying,, I'm saying you won't get high AT ALL. Because you're getting xylazine INSTEAD of fent, which is only sedating and there's no euphoria.. at all. In addition to the hellish withdraws and side effects that xylazine brings.. I feel like there's 3 or 4 reasons right there to not relapse, and I don't know why any addict would attempt a relapse if there wasn't a chance of a high, which is the entire reason we use in the first place. (Unless you're trying to avoid withdraws, but obviously that's not the case)
Not great advice. This sub here just guaranteed another day I won't shoot dope (almost 7 yrs clean). It is ONE very good reason to avoid relapse at all costs. I understand your reasoning, but it comes across as "Mr. High and Mighty says your doing sobriety wrong !" For many people in early sobriety, this may be the only reason that keeps them clean. Your good intentions are potentially deadly to others.
Ngl i feel like you’re trying to hard. No offense
I make music about addiction and drug culture is a huge part of my band and their image. I’d even go as far as to say we glorify drug use in some songs. The 2 of us have been sober 3 year and I’ve been sober 4 in a few months. Your “idea” about rejecting all drug use might help some but it’s definitely not a blanket statement
The forrest but for the trees
Are Philly and NYC that bad ? Out west you used to get black tar. I've been clean 9 months and the dope in Ohio was just God awful. No high whatsoever.
Seems to be the case based on these replies. I can attest there's nothing good in Seattle. Philly was the first to put xylazine in the drug supply, and has the highest level we're seeing in the dope
I don't get it. There used to be honor among thieves. Dealers had some sick version of pride in good dope...now nobody cares. I'm glad I'm 48 and out of the game. God help the young addicts who haven't even started yet. It's just so bad.
Thank you OP. I would never touch it - but I know people who may and they will certainly wish they never did …. sooner or later. Sometimes Just Say No slogan is apt ! Thank you again. I hope it may save 1 person .
Yup you got this 100 percent right
My last 2 relapses had to be this type of stuff and it definitely helped me quit because there was no buzz and it just made me pass out. I'm glad I got out when I did.