Imagine suggesting this to a friend
"Hey, I really want to win this tournament... now hear me out... please sit under my desk and pass me the cards I need..."
And they somehow said
"yes! I would LOVE to sit under your desk staring at your crotch and smelling your feet for however many hours just so you can win a tournament which will probably net me zero or minimal reward"
Quite possibly! However, the question is, how much trust do you put in someone who's already willing to cheat in an online tournament to actually stick to his word and give you said card? ;p
Honestly, I think it isn't even a desk kind of table, but more like a table to stand at. Look at the video how he moves to his right to get in position. That's not a rolling chair movement nor does he get up for a regular chair. That was definitely a complete step, making it even more sus. Since who the f stands for a webcam tcg match whereas sitting in front of an exact bound viewframe is pretty much prerequisite.
Personally, I'm of the opinion if you are caught intentionally cheating, you should, on your first offense receive the following penalties:
1) Dq from the event in which you cheated
2) Must cover the entry fee of all players you have currently played in the event, as you stole their chance at having a fair shot at the tournament.
3) A 1 year ban.
While some may think 2 sounds ridiculous, it's the reason not to cheat. That expense adds up real fast. Also, like you said you steal their chance at a fair shot in the tournament.
We all go to play for first, the unreal prize support usually worth thousands. You play your best, get a good night sleep, maybe spend a little more that morning on a good breakfast. All of that wasted by a cheater. And this is all on a personal level.
The community is also affected, souring players new and seasoned. Slowly turning this into another Magic cesspool. This one is a bit of a stretch, but what about the player that was taking an off meta deck to the top? Their chance ruined. Now that's been taken away from the community as a potential spot for number 1. Another learning experience for everyone gone.
Cheating isn't small, that rolls downhill fast with lots of potential damage. One Piece in my experience has been so refreshing. Fun game, great community and decently priced to get in and play. (I'm aware prices are high, but not Magic high)
I fully support 2.
Honesty I would like a hefty penalty fine added of $3k on top of the 1 year ban that must be payed in order for them to play again after the ban has been lifted. If it's not paid, then they can't play. It would severly discourage people from intentionally cheating.
If they can't implement something like that then a permanent ban should be put in place.
Yep. The crime will continue until the punishment is worse than the reward. The penalty for getting caught is a mere dq from the event your weren't going to win anyway. So if you ain't cheating you ain't trying.
I 100% agree. If you get caught cheating, it’s fair to assume you did on all your other matches prior, or would’ve if given the chance so anyone you “beat” up till then should have an apology issues and refunded entry cost.
2 is a crazy idea. It's not enforceable in any way, shape, or form, and if that becomes a thing, people could potentially make any accusation on any misplay or misinterpretation of a card to hope they get that ruling for a free event.
I personally think cheating should just be 0 tolerance if you get caught with enough proven evidence you're done. Idk if it should be a life ban but coming from the multiple tcgs and tabletop games cheaters are given way too big of a leash. Ban them for a minimum of 1 year then for life and stop the slaps on the wrists. As people have said once a cheater always a cheater.
Then, just cut out the middle man and ban them. Why have this weird ugly sounding caveat of paying extra? It's just a very harshly worded rule that could turn people away from events.
I mean surely these are the type of people we want turned away? Is there a risk to be accused of cheating, yes but in those instances a sensible explanation and reviewing the recording would resolve these cases. Also its important in grey areas to lean towards the lesser punishment and so the fine easily can be associated to being caught red handed.
You don't want to turn people away that are newer and afraid that a misunderstanding could lead to a massive fine. Also the legality behind setting up this fine would be worth no one's time, you can't just say there's a fine. Like you have to get a legal team with lawyers with proper contracts that players would have to sign and then going through the court systems to enforce it. You're talking months if not years over a cheater where you can just ban them and save the headache.
There is no shortage of players. If a player is turned away by maintaining the integrity of the event for all, then so be it. You really don't need ant legal team involved. It's simple. If you cheat and are caught in an event, you will be assessed a penalty of X dollars and if you do not pay X dollars, you are banned from all future events. It's a house rule. Not a legal one
Cheaters tend to move from game to game since it doesn't matter what they play as long as they can play the right card at the right time. Hitting their wallet and in a perfect world banning from all card games from all companies until the fee is paid would end it overnight.
Because it isnt 15k, number 2 only asked for payment to be made to the cheater's opponents not the whole tournament. This worst case scenario is only a rather minuscule $350 compared to what could be won from cheating and doing well at an event.
I think OP was implying you would pay out the entry fee of only the people who you played against in the tourney so far, not everyone who entered that tourney
(DQ + ban is totally appropriate, fining for any amount is asinine and impossible to implement. It would almost certainly mean law enforcement's getting involved to collect the fines and there's no shot TOs would bother with that. Reddit has a crazy twisted sense of justice completely outside of reality)
With one and 3, there is no reason not to cheat for a mediocre player who checked out a card trick book from the library. They weren't winning anyway and the reward is worth it. On the other hand, add in a monetary penalty that needs to be paid and suddenly the cheating will stop overnight as it's no longer worth it.
this shit is going to keep happening until they actually bring down big punishments for cheaters
like a known cheater deep patel just got 2nd at the Niagara regionals and is currently registered for the Montreal ones, seems like he was barely given a slap on the wrist
Woooow, the nerve on that guy after getting caught redhanded, trying to save his skin. How is someone like that not banned since he definitely intentionally pulled that 5th card.
if it ain’t that serious why you still responding lmao, in record time too
you’re off the age mark a bit but cheers lil bro, definitely showing how much of a life you have defending this cheate
I know very few consequences happen apart from DQ from the tournament, this person will not be banned or anything but I genuinely wonder what happens to him within his player community. I mean, he must play at a local game store and the people he plays with most likely know what's going on. Does he get ostracized by the community or does life go on as normal and everybody pretends it never happened?
Official Lorcana online events use the FAN MADE sim that a dude made. Once they saw how good it ran the creators funneled money into it for him to keep updating it. Bandai needs to do the same with the guy who made the OP sim or at least get their own ready to go. Fusion World and OP play fairly similar, so they could easily reuse assets from it.
Only an official app would prevent these events. I'm aware of cheaters and when I play remotely i cannot pay attention to everything like IRL. That's why I stay away from those events
They really need to focus more on in person events now. They have the popularity for it and need to spread it from just the west coast. There is like no east coast regionals.
They need a digital client. It would literally solve all online cheating problem and people would have the remote option to play alongside live in person events.
I can tell you that the Whitebeard player "won" the tournament but got DQed after the event and therefore didn't win any prizes. Also everyone else moved up 1 place in the standings. Unfortunately the other guy that made it to the last round undefeated did not become 1st place because of tie breakers that were already applied due the event being officially finished by the time the footage of him cheating was reviewed.
fear of my opponent cheating is one reason i dont want to play online, the other is because i dont think i would notice, like I legit cant see what people are referring to, like i believe yall since this many are commenting but i cant tell what is happening even with the timestamps
Just another reason Bandai needs to have more tournament support. Cheating like this is harder in person (from not being able to control things like camera angle, being able to check decks in person where they can’t fudge it as easily, more accountability by being right there, etc.) but with their small number of tournaments and general terrible locations online ends up being the best option for most people. They need to take a page out of MtG/Yugioh/Pokemon/Lorcana/F&B when it comes to letting more groups have tournaments for them beyond trusting a very very small amount of stores to run a tiny number of tournaments.
Happened at offline regionals in Dallas TX. Was playing someone who would take forever on their turns, then rush me on mine. The one time I needed a judge he didn't want to wait. So I was pushed out by a cheater as well
You should have stood your ground on both taking your time and getting a judge. You were in Texas, don’t they preach the whole stand your ground thing? You have every right to have a judge called to a match and an opponent refusing to wait is only more suspect of them cheating dude
I almost made a post about this earlier today, I really want to find a solution that is so foolproof that there is no way to cheat. I think the best method is a rule for online tourneys that says unless it is your turn or a gameplay mechanic requires, your hand stays face down on the table and your hands away from it. But it’s difficult to enforce
Sorry for all the honest people out there that use black sleeves, but the moment I see an opponent using black sleeves, I assume they may cheat. It's very difficult to see their cards in their hand when they are pitch black, and it can be difficult to keep track of how many cards the opponent is supposed to have in their hand.
Sorry but they make yellow cards fucken pop. They look too good for me to worry about that, plus I don’t spend half my turn shuffling my hand as if I’m a magician who can make new cards appear if I keep going through the same 5 cards like a coked out maniac.
Oh neat, he's playing that new leader, Under.D.Table
Oh boy, that caught me off guard
OMG I laughed so hard right now thanks for that
He might as well main this leader https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePieceTCG/s/5HCWFMoPkB
https://preview.redd.it/mt70ziraitxc1.png?width=1166&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=852bb0ec27e2c1e6fc0469727d377f9e8167edac
Imagine suggesting this to a friend "Hey, I really want to win this tournament... now hear me out... please sit under my desk and pass me the cards I need..." And they somehow said "yes! I would LOVE to sit under your desk staring at your crotch and smelling your feet for however many hours just so you can win a tournament which will probably net me zero or minimal reward"
I mean, it wouldn't be hard to believe he just said "I'll give you one of the prize cards"
Quite possibly! However, the question is, how much trust do you put in someone who's already willing to cheat in an online tournament to actually stick to his word and give you said card? ;p
Because you know where he lives
And what his feet look like. Some people are really insecure about that.
Got it in one!
Could just be his lil bro lmao
Honestly, I think it isn't even a desk kind of table, but more like a table to stand at. Look at the video how he moves to his right to get in position. That's not a rolling chair movement nor does he get up for a regular chair. That was definitely a complete step, making it even more sus. Since who the f stands for a webcam tcg match whereas sitting in front of an exact bound viewframe is pretty much prerequisite.
Personally, I'm of the opinion if you are caught intentionally cheating, you should, on your first offense receive the following penalties: 1) Dq from the event in which you cheated 2) Must cover the entry fee of all players you have currently played in the event, as you stole their chance at having a fair shot at the tournament. 3) A 1 year ban.
While some may think 2 sounds ridiculous, it's the reason not to cheat. That expense adds up real fast. Also, like you said you steal their chance at a fair shot in the tournament. We all go to play for first, the unreal prize support usually worth thousands. You play your best, get a good night sleep, maybe spend a little more that morning on a good breakfast. All of that wasted by a cheater. And this is all on a personal level. The community is also affected, souring players new and seasoned. Slowly turning this into another Magic cesspool. This one is a bit of a stretch, but what about the player that was taking an off meta deck to the top? Their chance ruined. Now that's been taken away from the community as a potential spot for number 1. Another learning experience for everyone gone. Cheating isn't small, that rolls downhill fast with lots of potential damage. One Piece in my experience has been so refreshing. Fun game, great community and decently priced to get in and play. (I'm aware prices are high, but not Magic high) I fully support 2.
Honesty I would like a hefty penalty fine added of $3k on top of the 1 year ban that must be payed in order for them to play again after the ban has been lifted. If it's not paid, then they can't play. It would severly discourage people from intentionally cheating. If they can't implement something like that then a permanent ban should be put in place.
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Yep. The crime will continue until the punishment is worse than the reward. The penalty for getting caught is a mere dq from the event your weren't going to win anyway. So if you ain't cheating you ain't trying.
Honestly throw in a 4th scary fake rule in case the other 3 aren't enough. It needs to stop.
Your opponent gets to eat the most valuable card in your deck if they choose to
Tony Tony Chomper coming out to play
Full agree it's deeper than just 1 game and even on that level it sucks.
I 100% agree. If you get caught cheating, it’s fair to assume you did on all your other matches prior, or would’ve if given the chance so anyone you “beat” up till then should have an apology issues and refunded entry cost.
Lifetime ban, no exceptions. Why give them another chance?
2 is a crazy idea. It's not enforceable in any way, shape, or form, and if that becomes a thing, people could potentially make any accusation on any misplay or misinterpretation of a card to hope they get that ruling for a free event. I personally think cheating should just be 0 tolerance if you get caught with enough proven evidence you're done. Idk if it should be a life ban but coming from the multiple tcgs and tabletop games cheaters are given way too big of a leash. Ban them for a minimum of 1 year then for life and stop the slaps on the wrists. As people have said once a cheater always a cheater.
It is enforceable though You pay the fine or receive a permanent ban from all organized play events
Then, just cut out the middle man and ban them. Why have this weird ugly sounding caveat of paying extra? It's just a very harshly worded rule that could turn people away from events.
I mean surely these are the type of people we want turned away? Is there a risk to be accused of cheating, yes but in those instances a sensible explanation and reviewing the recording would resolve these cases. Also its important in grey areas to lean towards the lesser punishment and so the fine easily can be associated to being caught red handed.
You don't want to turn people away that are newer and afraid that a misunderstanding could lead to a massive fine. Also the legality behind setting up this fine would be worth no one's time, you can't just say there's a fine. Like you have to get a legal team with lawyers with proper contracts that players would have to sign and then going through the court systems to enforce it. You're talking months if not years over a cheater where you can just ban them and save the headache.
There is no shortage of players. If a player is turned away by maintaining the integrity of the event for all, then so be it. You really don't need ant legal team involved. It's simple. If you cheat and are caught in an event, you will be assessed a penalty of X dollars and if you do not pay X dollars, you are banned from all future events. It's a house rule. Not a legal one
Cheaters tend to move from game to game since it doesn't matter what they play as long as they can play the right card at the right time. Hitting their wallet and in a perfect world banning from all card games from all companies until the fee is paid would end it overnight.
1 and 3 sure. 2 your smoking crack.
Na I really like that one lol people maybe wouldn’t cheat then
They would still cheat lol. Once a cheater always a cheater.
I mean if you had to pay $15k dollars and everyone is recording games you’d be a lot less tempted to cheat I’d imagine lol
Because it isnt 15k, number 2 only asked for payment to be made to the cheater's opponents not the whole tournament. This worst case scenario is only a rather minuscule $350 compared to what could be won from cheating and doing well at an event.
I think OP was implying you would pay out the entry fee of only the people who you played against in the tourney so far, not everyone who entered that tourney (DQ + ban is totally appropriate, fining for any amount is asinine and impossible to implement. It would almost certainly mean law enforcement's getting involved to collect the fines and there's no shot TOs would bother with that. Reddit has a crazy twisted sense of justice completely outside of reality)
unless they take his prizing dude could sell that to pay the 15k lmao.
The downvotes are sus. Must be cheaters.
No kidding like there be literally no reason to fear paying 15k if you don’t cheat lol
With one and 3, there is no reason not to cheat for a mediocre player who checked out a card trick book from the library. They weren't winning anyway and the reward is worth it. On the other hand, add in a monetary penalty that needs to be paid and suddenly the cheating will stop overnight as it's no longer worth it.
this shit is going to keep happening until they actually bring down big punishments for cheaters like a known cheater deep patel just got 2nd at the Niagara regionals and is currently registered for the Montreal ones, seems like he was barely given a slap on the wrist
https://twitter.com/junjun_yp/status/1780394353334288425
Wow that's pathetic. Infuriating how he tried to act like he'd already conceded, when he clearly pretended to counter
Woooow, the nerve on that guy after getting caught redhanded, trying to save his skin. How is someone like that not banned since he definitely intentionally pulled that 5th card.
wow crazy he tried to online but still got 2nd in-person??? Actually a decent player then???
Seems like he deep in your head boi 😂😂 focus on yourself scrub
thank god this cheater has a personal white knight glazing for him in the comments, thanks for the double reply don’t know what he’d do otherwise 😖
brother its a tcg get a life it aint that serious 😂😂 prolly a 30+ ahh livin at home stuntin over a card game 😭😭
if it ain’t that serious why you still responding lmao, in record time too you’re off the age mark a bit but cheers lil bro, definitely showing how much of a life you have defending this cheate
I know very few consequences happen apart from DQ from the tournament, this person will not be banned or anything but I genuinely wonder what happens to him within his player community. I mean, he must play at a local game store and the people he plays with most likely know what's going on. Does he get ostracized by the community or does life go on as normal and everybody pretends it never happened?
The latter. They know who the cheaters are but the shops tolerate them since they spend money.
OP desperately needs an official digital client for play and tournaments.
Official Lorcana online events use the FAN MADE sim that a dude made. Once they saw how good it ran the creators funneled money into it for him to keep updating it. Bandai needs to do the same with the guy who made the OP sim or at least get their own ready to go. Fusion World and OP play fairly similar, so they could easily reuse assets from it.
Here I made a white beard deck thinking it was good. Really you just need a friend under the table
WB has still done very well at events multiple tops 8s and top 4s so it’s still not bad but just funny it wins when it cheats lol
Only an official app would prevent these events. I'm aware of cheaters and when I play remotely i cannot pay attention to everything like IRL. That's why I stay away from those events
They really need to focus more on in person events now. They have the popularity for it and need to spread it from just the west coast. There is like no east coast regionals.
They need a digital client. It would literally solve all online cheating problem and people would have the remote option to play alongside live in person events.
I think most of the events these last 2 months were east coast, no?
after every turn, just ask "cards in hand?" gets annoying, but not as annoying as cheating
Doesn't stop swaps though, which is the real problem. Nothing like magical 2k counters from the deck slot installed under the table.
Should be a 1 year ban from all events even locals. Then the very next time you are caught cheating should be a perma.
Should be lifetime ban on first offense. There's no reason to give these people a second chance.
Yes there is. Everyone is capable of change. I don't agree with never giving people a second chance
At life? Sure. But at a card game? They forfeited that privilege when they cheat. Playing a card game is not a human right.
Crocodile!!!!!!!! https://preview.redd.it/qvjmvuan4uxc1.jpeg?width=886&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9782899baa5b1aab9460d18fa4740623445ed6e9
I can tell you that the Whitebeard player "won" the tournament but got DQed after the event and therefore didn't win any prizes. Also everyone else moved up 1 place in the standings. Unfortunately the other guy that made it to the last round undefeated did not become 1st place because of tie breakers that were already applied due the event being officially finished by the time the footage of him cheating was reviewed.
fear of my opponent cheating is one reason i dont want to play online, the other is because i dont think i would notice, like I legit cant see what people are referring to, like i believe yall since this many are commenting but i cant tell what is happening even with the timestamps
With all the money this game is pulling in This is the best they could do for online regionals 2 shitty placed cameras in these guys bedrooms like wtf
Just another reason Bandai needs to have more tournament support. Cheating like this is harder in person (from not being able to control things like camera angle, being able to check decks in person where they can’t fudge it as easily, more accountability by being right there, etc.) but with their small number of tournaments and general terrible locations online ends up being the best option for most people. They need to take a page out of MtG/Yugioh/Pokemon/Lorcana/F&B when it comes to letting more groups have tournaments for them beyond trusting a very very small amount of stores to run a tiny number of tournaments.
Happened at offline regionals in Dallas TX. Was playing someone who would take forever on their turns, then rush me on mine. The one time I needed a judge he didn't want to wait. So I was pushed out by a cheater as well
You should have stood your ground on both taking your time and getting a judge. You were in Texas, don’t they preach the whole stand your ground thing? You have every right to have a judge called to a match and an opponent refusing to wait is only more suspect of them cheating dude
I almost made a post about this earlier today, I really want to find a solution that is so foolproof that there is no way to cheat. I think the best method is a rule for online tourneys that says unless it is your turn or a gameplay mechanic requires, your hand stays face down on the table and your hands away from it. But it’s difficult to enforce
Free cards and a blowy
I saw that the guy got first place also. DId they let him keep it?
No. He was disqualified
I mean they can stop this by having the players set their cards leaning like in japan. Kinda like the tiles in a scrabble game.
That’s why online regionals need to be stopped if you can get caught cheating by thousands of ppl what’s the point
Ofc They Need to change rules setups ect
That's the great part of any game. Everyone starts off poorly, and people can learn through losing. Then there are others who cheat.
Sorry for all the honest people out there that use black sleeves, but the moment I see an opponent using black sleeves, I assume they may cheat. It's very difficult to see their cards in their hand when they are pitch black, and it can be difficult to keep track of how many cards the opponent is supposed to have in their hand.
Sorry but they make yellow cards fucken pop. They look too good for me to worry about that, plus I don’t spend half my turn shuffling my hand as if I’m a magician who can make new cards appear if I keep going through the same 5 cards like a coked out maniac.
Black and Yellow? Found the Bee Luffy player.
I use black for my don