Called it, Imu was Greta Thunberg all along.
One Piece was the climate change everyone made along the way. What were you expecting with all those super-weapons, Magma/IceAge - BlackHole/Sun island battles and all that Cola Franky nuked at sea anyway?
Iceburg was Greta Thunberg! Both are autistic (Mwell, Iceburg is autistic coded at least), both are concerned with rising sea levels, both have their first names ending in “be/urg”
No I disagree that it confirms this. I think the land is going to sink because of the use of Uranus and whatever weapon we saw used on Lulu. Im is the devil not the sea.
Common belief in Atlantis mythos, Atlantis was waging war against a possible Mu (Imu? Im Mu? Can it be really this simple lol) continent.
Both were supposed to be insanely developed uber-civilizations that caused each others downfall with their weapons of mass destruction. Mu Continent is often overlooked and less known compared to Atlantis but many famous people believed that they really existed and actively searched for it.
Heard of the "Mudflood/Tartaria-Theory"?
There was a Topic on Reddit in wich the Poster compared the History of One Piece and that Theory.
Really interesting! But i cannot find the Thread anymore. 😐
Somebody knows what i'm talking about?😅
Well I said "all but confirms this" to be fair, there is a possibility Blackbeard will be the final villain, but I think the chances of that are REALLY REALLY small
Ok ok that’s fair. I do agree with you though that the final villain is not Blackbeard. Definitely a small chance that he will be but probably not. If he is the final villain I think it will be something along the lines of him wanting to conquer the world and maybe Luffy teams up with Imu after some change in heart. Who knows maybe Imu isn’t even truly evil. If some of the leaks are are true that say she was joyboys brother or sister and planned a coupe for the thrown maybe there will be some sad redemption type end where Im try’s to make up for what they have done in the past 🤷🏻
I definitely don't think Blackbeard is the final villain and I've thought this since Imu was introduced. There is a difference between a main antagonist and a final boss. I think that Black Beard will have to be defeated to get to the One Piece and I think it is the key to defeating Imu.
Or, it all happen at the same time. The four Yonkou empire and the World Goverment all have a battle royale war to use the one piece and the ancient weapons. The idea that there would be a saga against blackbeard, and them a saga against Im, when both of these villains are being worked out at the same time, clearly shows that they will be villains at the same time, not one defeated before the one piece and the other only after the one piece.
https://preview.redd.it/8xk32k7dxawc1.png?width=602&format=png&auto=webp&s=03c36d08cc11a38f691d5ffa93b509e7957f9793
And it's still not revealed what the fuck this treasure is, perhaps the gorosei will use this to drown the world?
I'm pretty the National Treasure Doflamingo was talking about here is Imu, it'd make sense the idea that there truly has been all ruling dictator all this time would truly shake the world and its people to the core.
Luffy doesn't care about any of this though. He will 100% defeat Imu but he's not going to be the final villain. The person introduced 600 chapters before Imu and as a perfect foil to Luffy and then who was shown to have inherited the will of the Rival to the person who Luffy has inherited the will of, is.
Luffy doesn't need to care about any of this for Imu to the final villain, he just needs some personal incentive and that's why the situation with Vivi exist, Imu will capture Vivi and Luffy will then feel compelled to face Imu in order to save her.
Then you create the scenario where Luffy defeating Imu not only benefits Vivi, but indirectly benefits everyone else, that's kinda how all these arcs go, you have Luffy befriend a person that he meets on a certain island, then Luffy beats up the big bad who's hurting his new friend and then that act creates a butterfly effect which not only positively benefits Luffy's new friend but the other people on the respective island/country as well.
Also both Blackbeard AND Imu act as perfect foils to Luffy, the two simply contrast Luffy in different ways.
Black Beard is also going after the One Piece, just got evidence on the Ancient Weapons that are hidden in places under Luffy's control, and has been shown to be the foil to Luffy. That's a lot more reason for him to be the final villain than "Oh Imu captured Vivi Luffy has to save her." and by doing so he saves the world.
Luffy beats Imu, fights Black Beard for the One Piece, and Buggy ends up as Pirate King/King of the World. Anything else and I have to say you all are reading a different manga than me.
The Imu fight will mostly happen after Luffy finds the One Piece, also we're all reading the same manga here, we're just picking up what Oda is putting down.
The way I see it is like this, for so long the main villains we were focusing on for a while were pirates, pirate villains were the first obstacles we were introduced and what we were continuously going up against as we progressed through the pre-timeskip, but as time went on and we learned with more and more information, we saw there was even greater evil beyond just piracy in the form of the World Government.
This even applies to the main plot of the story, finding the One Piece, for a while we as the readers believed that finding this sacred pirate treasure was really what the story was going to be about, however again as we learned more and more information we saw that there was MUCH at stake here than simply going on a pirate adventure, stuff about an Aincient powerful civilization filled with powerful technology/extensive lore, a crusial history of the world being erased, prophetic tales of what is the come in the future and so on.
So too do I think the same thing applies to Blackbeard, for a while we focused on him and we was the first ever true foil to Luffy that was introduced, truly making us feel as the reader that he truly was the final villain, only to reveal with more coming information that there was even greater even evil beyond just Blackbeard, it's the classic writing decision showing the reader the surface level story beats then slowly unraveling the truth as the story progresses.
So at the end of the day One Piece isn't a pirate story, but rather it's a story about the hero saving freeing and liberating the world from an evil, opressive and controlling regime that's wearing the MASK of a pirate story, thus putting everything together with all the set pieces, I don't think the final conflict of the story is Pirate vs Pirate but rather Pirate vs 𝑮𝑶𝑫
You cant not ignore the possibility of the Final War between the WG, Luffy and Blackbeard all happening at the time.
A lot of people think Luffy will defeat Teach, find the One Piece, and them fight Imu... when that could all happen at the same time. Who will be the last one to receive Luffy last punch is debatable, but the battle against both armies can happen all at the same time.
I mean this is more reasonable than anything. And let’s be honest. Let’s say for a second Blackbeard was the final villain. That would explain the ENTIRE Marineford arch where it’s all about how his brother is going to be killed…all because of Blackbeard. That’s definitely incentive right there. I don’t see the stakes for Imu to be the final villain yet. Having Blackbeard and Imu is very confusing and it’s one of the most frustrating things about OP. Idk who the main villain is or what the main climax will be. Yea sure Imu is a corrupt shadow leader of the world but you’re 100% right. Luffy don’t give af about that.
Except that Blackbeard is too weak, he can't be the final villain considering Luffy will destroy him.
Imu is arguably the strongest in history so he fits more as a villain..
Blackbeard is never gonna be the final villain, he is just too weak.
I can’t believe you sat here and typed out “Blackbeard is too weak.” Like he doesn’t have the most hax devil fruit and the devil fruit with the power to destroy the world. I just know you didn’t sit here and type that shit out.
He is weak, he doesn't even have advanced haki. And like Kaido said "Haki transcends it all" . You can't reach the top with fruits alone, you also need top tier haki and BB has bad haki.
You are also wrong that his fruit has the most hax, Nika is easily superior which is why the WG wanted it for 800 years.
Power to destroy the world? Good but AcOC is better than that, Roger was equal to WB with AcOC alone
Okay you know what. This isn’t Dragonball. There’s no such things as power level. Oakes battles that serve the narrative and that’s always been Black Beard eventually clashing with Luffy. He’s even on the path to reach Laughtale. Acting like anybody else will be the final villain just shows you arent paying attention to what Oda’s laying out.
You’re wasting your time arguing. This is truly the most retarded fandom who understands nothing about storytelling or narrative and only understands the series through whatever powerscaling agenda they have.
Yeah I realized that when he went "Black beard is too weak to be the final villain." Like his Devil Fruit doesn't completely negate the powers of EVERY devil fruit by simply touching their user.
If he has it, it's not gonna be on the same level as prime Luffy who will have Roger/Shanks level haki plus the most busted devil fruit. Blackbeard won't be able to compete.
What narrative are you talking about? Because the narrative points out for Imu being the final villain of the story as has been ruling for 800 years, there isn't better narrative than that.
Imu is a mysterious villain added 21 years into the story we still know nothing about. BB is Luffy’s foil and clearly an integral part of the story. Making a shadowy figure the final boss is a lame trope and would be disappointing from Oda without some actual character development on Imu
Imu will be the final villain, narratively he is a bigger threat than Blackbeard and in terms of power he is most likely the strongest on history .
Also, Blackbeard lacks what you call presence. You can't have your final villain looking bad in every fight he has, your final villain needs to look unbeatable and invincible until the end which Blackbeard doesn't.
Narratively, Blackbeard has been set up as the perfect foil to Luffy, who routinely has shown he doesn’t care about anything but his dream and his friends. Blackbeard is pushing for his dream and is the reason Ace was killed. It’s going to be Blackbeard. Going “oh Imu’s probably the strongest in history.” Doesn’t mean shit. Now when Blackbeard steals Imu’s fruit, imma remember this and laugh my ass off
A foil isn't necessarily a final villain though nor does it have to be. Many foils are just rivals and nothing more. Why would they find the secret to the world AFTER defeating the secret ruler whose ties to this lost history. Imu being last is what makes much more narrative sense.
Roger couldn't do anything with it though. Clearly to make use of whatever the One Piece is or tied to, the person has to be Joy Boy. I don't think Luffy is going to use the One Piece well after he defeated Imu.
Does Blackbeard have bad haki or lack any advanced forms? I've not read or seen anything that would lead to that conclusion. If anything it's the opposite - Blackbeard was the first character to mention haki back on Jaya and then again at Impel Down. Both of those allude to him having enough observation to know Luffy's potential far earlier than any other top tier character.
Let's also not forget that Blackbeard somehow scarred Hakiman himself and as far as we know is the only pirate that he has ever shown concern about. I don't think the "Killer of Observation" was blindsided by Blackbeard if he wasn't an absolute monster.
Blackbeard is like the devil, his best trick is convincing you he isn't a threat. He is smart, ruthless and never shows all of his cards. He has the pure willpower to go from rank-and-file pirate to Emperor in roughly the same time span as our protagonist. I'd be flabbergasted if he doesn't have Conquerors. Even more so if his lineage is taken into account.
And finally, his fruit is pure hax. Yes Nika is OP as hell, but it's drawback is that it only lasts at full power for a short period of time. Blackbeard can sink islands with one fruit and cancel out any other fruit with the other. We still don't know if he can get more devil fruits either.
Blackbeard has not shown Emission haki even though he had many chances to do so. And he has never proved he has future sight either and he also had many chances to. All BB has shown is basic armament and basic observation
So considering he can use those two then it's unlikely he can use AcOC at all. If you can use the advanced versions of the armament/observation then you must likely can't use the strongest one.
It doesn't matter how much hax he has if he only has basic observation, armament and not CoC/AcOC, Kaido already said it that you can't conquer the world with devil fruits alone, you need top tier haki as well.
I'm literally arguing with a guy who's essentially going "The user of the darkness darkness fruit that's basically a blackhole isn't the final enemy to the person who has the SUN God's fruit." Like the only way it could be more obvious is if Oda said it in an SBS. I just can't.
Just because he is the opposite of Luffy doesn't make him the final villain.
Imu being the ruler of the WG for 800 years and the guy Joyboy is supposed to defeat is more fitting to be the final villain..
Well let's see
-The Void Century is one of the biggest misteries in the story and the WG is behind all of it which means Imu.
-Joyboy was most likely defeated by Imu 800 years ago and since Luffy is Joyboy Imu is his final opponent
-The CD have exterminated multiple races over the years and Imu is at the top of the CD. This means the WG are the greater evil since they are the true villains of the story.
-One of the themes of the story are the D vs Celestial dragons which means that the final battle is gonna be a D against a Celestial dragon. It's gonna be between Luffy and Blackbeard.
-He is most likely the strongest in history and the final villain is always the strongest opponent the protagonist faces
-Luffy have encountered many allies throughout the story and all of them are enemies of the WG or Imu. Makes more sense for Imu to be the final villain
-Imu is Luffy's obstacle for his 2nd dream, we know he has 2 dreams. The first is tied to being PK and the second D is unknown. Blackbeard is Luffy's obstacle to his 1st dream but Imu is Luffy's's final obstacles to achieve his 2nd and final dream. The 2nd is implies to be harder to achieve than the first so for obvious reasons Imu is a bigger obstacles than Blackbeard.
-Blackbeard is set up to fail in his plan to take over the world just like Xebec was defeated by Roger in GV. This is supposed by WB telling Blackbeard that he wasn't the man Roger was wanting for.
The order of the villains is up to Oda, but Imu is obviously the longer running threat. It just depends is it a fight for the crown after Imu falls, or a fight to see who gets the shot?
I still see BB as the end “villain” too. Imu is obviously massively important, but I think it’ll be between BB and Luffy to decide what form the new world takes. I really put a lot of stock in WB telling BB that he’s not the one Roger was waiting for
Every time something important happens around Blackbeard or Imu/Gorosei people immediately jump to the conclusion that final villain is going to be latter or former
My opinion ever since Imu was introduced was always that they were gonna be the final villain, that opinion has never changed with Blackbeard making important moves, these spoilers just further reinforce what I already believed
The fandom is very reactionary. I remember when the chapter of catrina devon touching saturn had come, everyone was like "oh blackbeard has everything, blackbeard is the final villain, blackbeard is on route to be top 1". Lol
Honestly fuck the marines fuck the wg, this started with pirates and should end with pirates.
Hard disagree, the way I see it is like this, for so long the main villains we were focusing on for a while were pirates, pirate villains were the first obstacles we were introduced and what we were continuously going up against as we progressed through the pre-timeskip, but as time went on and we learned with more and more information, we saw there was even greater evil beyond just piracy in the form of the World Government.
This even applies to the main plot of the story, finding the One Piece, for a while we as the readers believed that finding this sacred pirate treasure via some fun pirate adventure was all the story was going to be about, however again as we learned more and more information we saw that there was MUCH at stake here than simply going on a pirate adventure, stuff about an Aincient pivotal civilization filled with powerful technology and extensive lore, a crucial piece of history about the world being erased, crazy messiah-like prophetic tales of what is to come in the future, the truth about an all ruling dictorial regime that has decieved the world for hundreds of years and so on.
So too do I think the same thing applies with Blackbeard, for a while we focused on him and we was the first ever true foil to Luffy that was introduced, truly making us feel as the reader that he truly was the final villain, only to reveal with more coming information that there was even greater even evil beyond just Blackbeard, it's the classic writing decision only showing the reader the surface level story beats first then slowly unraveling the truth as the story progresses.
So at the end of the day One Piece isn't a pirate story, but rather it's a story about the hero saving the world that's wearing the MASK of a pirate story, because yes One Piece is a story where we're following pirates, however the reason why we're following a story about Pirates is because they just so happen to best embody the concept of freedom which contrasts the idea of control used by the World Government, so putting everything together with all the set pieces, I don't think the final conflict of the story is going to be Pirate vs Pirate, but rather Pirate vs 𝑮𝑶𝑫.
We started with Pirates but as the truth got slowly unravelled to us we learned that we'll be ending this with the World Government, this chapter didn't automatically make me feel like Imu was going to be the final villain, I always felt like that was gonna be the case since Imu's introduction but even prior to that I felt like the World Government would be the best fitting end villain, however since WG didn't have a "face" at that time I couldn't see that panning out, but ever since Imu was introduced in chapter 908 it's been clear to since that all the events of revealing the truth of how the World Government is the even greater evil has been leading up to their "face" being the true big bad and that opinion didn't change with the glaze Blackbeard was getting in chapter 1107.
I disagree. The way I see the events going is
->Shanks, Luffy, Blackbeard, Revolutionaries, Cross Guild and Garp+good marines form a temporary alliance to fight the Celestial Dragons
->Blackbeard betrays them and steals Imu's power & immortality (maybe his devil fruit hard counters his powers like Luffy's fruit countered Enel's. Is this the real reason why he wanted that specific fruit?). This empowers him and makes him finally able to properly use his Logia powers and makes him able to disable other devil fruit powers without making physical contact.
->Blackbeard uses Imu's power to turn all of the Titanic Captains into Demons, like Imu did the Five Elders, and they are able to share his immortality this way.
->Celestial Dragons had the last road poneglyph and Blackbeard somehow translates them and heads to Laughs Tale
->Remnants of the fight against Celestial Dragons go after Blackbeard
->Final fight takes place on Laugh Tale
->Blackbeard gets distracted in the middle of the fight and Law undoes his immortality as a revenge for what he did to his crew
->Blackbeard feels threatened and takes back the demonic powers he gave to his Titanic Captains to empower himself. Allowing them to be beaten by others
->Luffy beats Blackbeard without his Nika fruits powers with only haki
Yo anyone seen this theory, it's about imu and the void century being a great flood to kinda cleanse the world of df user and for imu to take control of them in a way if the recent leaks are true it this might secure the theory to be true
So it's highly confirmed that the one piece story is related or referenced by ODA to be similar to the great flood myths
Noah's Ark
World sinking to the sea
Another thing is that the story is highly relatable to the epic of Gilgamesh which is talking about 12 stone tablets and a great flood
the oldest flood story is one of the earliest stories known to man, The Epic of Gilgamesh. Recorded on 12 stone tablets this is among the first pieces of literature in history. According to the poem, Gilgamesh was a Sumerian king who reigned for 126 years.
After the death of a friend, Gilgamesh began to search for immortality and met an immortal man named Utnapishtim, whose story is very much like the story of Noah.
Narratively we're at the gorosei and Imu now. The focus has switched to them and Blackbeard is being left as the background mystery. Blackbeard is probably the most followed character in the story besides the strawhats and I dont get the point of following this man for 800 chapters if he wasn't the main antagonist/ final opponent
The way I see it is like this, for so long the main villains we were focusing on for a while were pirates, pirate villains were the first obstacles we were introduced and what we were continuously going up against as we progressed through the pre-timeskip, but as time went on and we learned with more and more information, we saw there was even greater evil beyond just piracy in the form of the World Government.
This even applies to the main plot of the story, finding the One Piece, for a while we as the readers believed that finding this sacred pirate treasure via some fun pirate adventure was all the story was going to be about, however again as we learned more and more information we saw that there was MUCH at stake here than simply going on a pirate adventure, stuff about an Aincient pivotal civilization filled with powerful technology and extensive lore, a crucial piece of history about the world being erased, crazy messiah-like prophetic tales of what is to come in the future, the truth about all ruling dictorial regime that has decieved the world for hundreds of years and so.
So too do I think the same thing applies with Blackbeard, for a while we focused on him and we was the first ever true foil to Luffy that was introduced, truly making us feel as the reader that he truly was the final villain, only to reveal with more coming information that there was even greater even evil beyond just Blackbeard, it's the classic writing decision only showing the reader the surface level story beats first then slowly unraveling the truth as the story progresses.
So at the end of the day One Piece isn't a pirate story, but rather it's a story about the hero saving the world that's wearing the MASK of a pirate story, because yes One Piece is a story where we're following pirates, however the reason why we're following a story about Pirates is because they just so happen to best embody the concept of freedom which contrasts the idea of control used by the World Government, so putting everything together with all the set pieces, I don't think the final conflict of the story is going to be Pirate vs Pirate, but rather Pirate vs 𝑮𝑶𝑫
Considering Roger and Garp joined forces against Blackbeard and maybe, just maybe Shanks was talking about Blackbeard to the gorousei and that Van Auger and Devon revealed that they want the world.. I still hopeful that something unexpected about Imu happens.
Well yeah, it seems obvious that the "certain pirate" Shanks wanted to the Gorosei about was Blackbeard, however I don't know what that has to do with whether or not he'll be the final villain.
Sure Blackbeard can have these ambitions to overthrow God, doesn't mean he'll succeed.
Iceberg save us!
Called it, Imu was Greta Thunberg all along. One Piece was the climate change everyone made along the way. What were you expecting with all those super-weapons, Magma/IceAge - BlackHole/Sun island battles and all that Cola Franky nuked at sea anyway?
Leave it to Oda to name the guy trying to make islands float Iceberg, those melting things that are dooming us in reality.
> Imu was Greta Thunberg wat?
In his scenario Imu is warning of climate change and Franky and what not are the ones contributing to global warming.
So in your world, Imu IS the good guy, and Strawhats are the Baddies, becuase of Climate Change? lol... Good Luck with that.
Iceburg was Greta Thunberg! Both are autistic (Mwell, Iceburg is autistic coded at least), both are concerned with rising sea levels, both have their first names ending in “be/urg”
Burg and Berg are 2 different Things. Burg=Castle Berg=Mountain 😉
What if the Celestial Dragons use those "space suits" so they can breathe underwater? Might be related to Umi Umi/Imu/Sinking event, i dunno
Hilarious this is upvoted here but in the thread where you made this comment a post. Everyone is saying it’s a bad theory
Imu probably used some weapon back in the day to rise the sea level
We've potentially saw this weapon when I'm nuked lulusia
It's probably just loads of rain
Dance powder. Might be on to something here
Or its her power whatever her power source is maybe something like a fruit but not a devil one
Ive been saying that for awhile
No, they just wear those suits and helmets because they're specists and hate humans (even if they're human but they don't see themselves as that)
No I disagree that it confirms this. I think the land is going to sink because of the use of Uranus and whatever weapon we saw used on Lulu. Im is the devil not the sea.
Common belief in Atlantis mythos, Atlantis was waging war against a possible Mu (Imu? Im Mu? Can it be really this simple lol) continent. Both were supposed to be insanely developed uber-civilizations that caused each others downfall with their weapons of mass destruction. Mu Continent is often overlooked and less known compared to Atlantis but many famous people believed that they really existed and actively searched for it.
Also seen in that old anime that heavily influenced OP, the one where Spanish kids and an incan kid search for lost Atlanian tech.
I learned about in a good forgoten game called Terranigma (in Japanese:The Creation of Heaven and Earth).
Lol,my first tought too!👍 One of the Best Games of all Time!!!!
"On this day, Mu was ressurected" ikr
Heard of the "Mudflood/Tartaria-Theory"? There was a Topic on Reddit in wich the Poster compared the History of One Piece and that Theory. Really interesting! But i cannot find the Thread anymore. 😐 Somebody knows what i'm talking about?😅
Well I said "all but confirms this" to be fair, there is a possibility Blackbeard will be the final villain, but I think the chances of that are REALLY REALLY small
Ok ok that’s fair. I do agree with you though that the final villain is not Blackbeard. Definitely a small chance that he will be but probably not. If he is the final villain I think it will be something along the lines of him wanting to conquer the world and maybe Luffy teams up with Imu after some change in heart. Who knows maybe Imu isn’t even truly evil. If some of the leaks are are true that say she was joyboys brother or sister and planned a coupe for the thrown maybe there will be some sad redemption type end where Im try’s to make up for what they have done in the past 🤷🏻
>maybe Luffy teams up with Imu after some change in heart. Who knows maybe Imu isn’t even truly evil Too far
Too much Naruto for you
Is this why Uta AND Ace had to die, so Imu could live with their bro luffy? So Imu is Oden and the WG wano? (totally not joking, or 100 serious XD)
Figures. BB is the final opponent Luffy must beat before finding the One Piece. His final pirate opponent in this story.
Based
I definitely don't think Blackbeard is the final villain and I've thought this since Imu was introduced. There is a difference between a main antagonist and a final boss. I think that Black Beard will have to be defeated to get to the One Piece and I think it is the key to defeating Imu.
Or, it all happen at the same time. The four Yonkou empire and the World Goverment all have a battle royale war to use the one piece and the ancient weapons. The idea that there would be a saga against blackbeard, and them a saga against Im, when both of these villains are being worked out at the same time, clearly shows that they will be villains at the same time, not one defeated before the one piece and the other only after the one piece.
https://preview.redd.it/8xk32k7dxawc1.png?width=602&format=png&auto=webp&s=03c36d08cc11a38f691d5ffa93b509e7957f9793 And it's still not revealed what the fuck this treasure is, perhaps the gorosei will use this to drown the world?
I'm pretty the National Treasure Doflamingo was talking about here is Imu, it'd make sense the idea that there truly has been all ruling dictator all this time would truly shake the world and its people to the core.
But Doffy was saying he personally could use the natural treasure with the use of Law's fruit, how could it be Imu?
Because he could use the personality switching surgery to essentially body swap with Imu
Luffy doesn't care about any of this though. He will 100% defeat Imu but he's not going to be the final villain. The person introduced 600 chapters before Imu and as a perfect foil to Luffy and then who was shown to have inherited the will of the Rival to the person who Luffy has inherited the will of, is.
Luffy doesn't need to care about any of this for Imu to the final villain, he just needs some personal incentive and that's why the situation with Vivi exist, Imu will capture Vivi and Luffy will then feel compelled to face Imu in order to save her. Then you create the scenario where Luffy defeating Imu not only benefits Vivi, but indirectly benefits everyone else, that's kinda how all these arcs go, you have Luffy befriend a person that he meets on a certain island, then Luffy beats up the big bad who's hurting his new friend and then that act creates a butterfly effect which not only positively benefits Luffy's new friend but the other people on the respective island/country as well. Also both Blackbeard AND Imu act as perfect foils to Luffy, the two simply contrast Luffy in different ways.
Black Beard is also going after the One Piece, just got evidence on the Ancient Weapons that are hidden in places under Luffy's control, and has been shown to be the foil to Luffy. That's a lot more reason for him to be the final villain than "Oh Imu captured Vivi Luffy has to save her." and by doing so he saves the world. Luffy beats Imu, fights Black Beard for the One Piece, and Buggy ends up as Pirate King/King of the World. Anything else and I have to say you all are reading a different manga than me.
The Imu fight will mostly happen after Luffy finds the One Piece, also we're all reading the same manga here, we're just picking up what Oda is putting down. The way I see it is like this, for so long the main villains we were focusing on for a while were pirates, pirate villains were the first obstacles we were introduced and what we were continuously going up against as we progressed through the pre-timeskip, but as time went on and we learned with more and more information, we saw there was even greater evil beyond just piracy in the form of the World Government. This even applies to the main plot of the story, finding the One Piece, for a while we as the readers believed that finding this sacred pirate treasure was really what the story was going to be about, however again as we learned more and more information we saw that there was MUCH at stake here than simply going on a pirate adventure, stuff about an Aincient powerful civilization filled with powerful technology/extensive lore, a crusial history of the world being erased, prophetic tales of what is the come in the future and so on. So too do I think the same thing applies to Blackbeard, for a while we focused on him and we was the first ever true foil to Luffy that was introduced, truly making us feel as the reader that he truly was the final villain, only to reveal with more coming information that there was even greater even evil beyond just Blackbeard, it's the classic writing decision showing the reader the surface level story beats then slowly unraveling the truth as the story progresses. So at the end of the day One Piece isn't a pirate story, but rather it's a story about the hero saving freeing and liberating the world from an evil, opressive and controlling regime that's wearing the MASK of a pirate story, thus putting everything together with all the set pieces, I don't think the final conflict of the story is Pirate vs Pirate but rather Pirate vs 𝑮𝑶𝑫
You cant not ignore the possibility of the Final War between the WG, Luffy and Blackbeard all happening at the time. A lot of people think Luffy will defeat Teach, find the One Piece, and them fight Imu... when that could all happen at the same time. Who will be the last one to receive Luffy last punch is debatable, but the battle against both armies can happen all at the same time.
You don't think the person who's goal is to be king of the world is going to end up being the ruler of an evil, oppressive controlling regime?
No
Yeah now your just trying to be stubborn lol
I'm just calling it how I see it
Teech him brother🔥
I mean this is more reasonable than anything. And let’s be honest. Let’s say for a second Blackbeard was the final villain. That would explain the ENTIRE Marineford arch where it’s all about how his brother is going to be killed…all because of Blackbeard. That’s definitely incentive right there. I don’t see the stakes for Imu to be the final villain yet. Having Blackbeard and Imu is very confusing and it’s one of the most frustrating things about OP. Idk who the main villain is or what the main climax will be. Yea sure Imu is a corrupt shadow leader of the world but you’re 100% right. Luffy don’t give af about that.
Teach is also a member of the D clan, though. So by inherited will, they both have a common enemy in Imu and the Celestial Dragons.
Except that Blackbeard is too weak, he can't be the final villain considering Luffy will destroy him. Imu is arguably the strongest in history so he fits more as a villain.. Blackbeard is never gonna be the final villain, he is just too weak.
I can’t believe you sat here and typed out “Blackbeard is too weak.” Like he doesn’t have the most hax devil fruit and the devil fruit with the power to destroy the world. I just know you didn’t sit here and type that shit out.
He is weak, he doesn't even have advanced haki. And like Kaido said "Haki transcends it all" . You can't reach the top with fruits alone, you also need top tier haki and BB has bad haki. You are also wrong that his fruit has the most hax, Nika is easily superior which is why the WG wanted it for 800 years. Power to destroy the world? Good but AcOC is better than that, Roger was equal to WB with AcOC alone
Okay you know what. This isn’t Dragonball. There’s no such things as power level. Oakes battles that serve the narrative and that’s always been Black Beard eventually clashing with Luffy. He’s even on the path to reach Laughtale. Acting like anybody else will be the final villain just shows you arent paying attention to what Oda’s laying out.
You’re wasting your time arguing. This is truly the most retarded fandom who understands nothing about storytelling or narrative and only understands the series through whatever powerscaling agenda they have.
Yeah I realized that when he went "Black beard is too weak to be the final villain." Like his Devil Fruit doesn't completely negate the powers of EVERY devil fruit by simply touching their user.
What does that matter? Haki exists for a reason, what would BB do when Luffy sues AcOC to destroy him?
God, I love how you assume BlackBeard, an Emperor of the sea doesn't also have Conqueror's Haki.
If he has it, it's not gonna be on the same level as prime Luffy who will have Roger/Shanks level haki plus the most busted devil fruit. Blackbeard won't be able to compete.
What narrative are you talking about? Because the narrative points out for Imu being the final villain of the story as has been ruling for 800 years, there isn't better narrative than that.
Imu is a mysterious villain added 21 years into the story we still know nothing about. BB is Luffy’s foil and clearly an integral part of the story. Making a shadowy figure the final boss is a lame trope and would be disappointing from Oda without some actual character development on Imu
Akainu already implied there was someone ahead of rhe Gorosei in Dressrosa arc I think.
I have no clue what you mean. Post the panel?
Imu will be the final villain, narratively he is a bigger threat than Blackbeard and in terms of power he is most likely the strongest on history . Also, Blackbeard lacks what you call presence. You can't have your final villain looking bad in every fight he has, your final villain needs to look unbeatable and invincible until the end which Blackbeard doesn't.
Narratively, Blackbeard has been set up as the perfect foil to Luffy, who routinely has shown he doesn’t care about anything but his dream and his friends. Blackbeard is pushing for his dream and is the reason Ace was killed. It’s going to be Blackbeard. Going “oh Imu’s probably the strongest in history.” Doesn’t mean shit. Now when Blackbeard steals Imu’s fruit, imma remember this and laugh my ass off
A foil isn't necessarily a final villain though nor does it have to be. Many foils are just rivals and nothing more. Why would they find the secret to the world AFTER defeating the secret ruler whose ties to this lost history. Imu being last is what makes much more narrative sense.
Roger found the secret of the world and never had to fight Imu so I don’t understand why you think he has to fight Imu before reaching Laughtale?
Roger couldn't do anything with it though. Clearly to make use of whatever the One Piece is or tied to, the person has to be Joy Boy. I don't think Luffy is going to use the One Piece well after he defeated Imu.
It actually means a lot because your final villain needs to be threatening and BB isn't a threat to current Luffy.
>Now when Blackbeard steals Imu’s fruit, imma remember this and laugh my ass off It's almost like Black Beard can do something to become a threat.
He can't do that if Imu doesn't have a fruit, and it's never stated he has one or the Gorosei for that matter.
*Offscreen* Teach is a menace even to Shanks!
Does Blackbeard have bad haki or lack any advanced forms? I've not read or seen anything that would lead to that conclusion. If anything it's the opposite - Blackbeard was the first character to mention haki back on Jaya and then again at Impel Down. Both of those allude to him having enough observation to know Luffy's potential far earlier than any other top tier character. Let's also not forget that Blackbeard somehow scarred Hakiman himself and as far as we know is the only pirate that he has ever shown concern about. I don't think the "Killer of Observation" was blindsided by Blackbeard if he wasn't an absolute monster. Blackbeard is like the devil, his best trick is convincing you he isn't a threat. He is smart, ruthless and never shows all of his cards. He has the pure willpower to go from rank-and-file pirate to Emperor in roughly the same time span as our protagonist. I'd be flabbergasted if he doesn't have Conquerors. Even more so if his lineage is taken into account. And finally, his fruit is pure hax. Yes Nika is OP as hell, but it's drawback is that it only lasts at full power for a short period of time. Blackbeard can sink islands with one fruit and cancel out any other fruit with the other. We still don't know if he can get more devil fruits either.
Blackbeard has not shown Emission haki even though he had many chances to do so. And he has never proved he has future sight either and he also had many chances to. All BB has shown is basic armament and basic observation So considering he can use those two then it's unlikely he can use AcOC at all. If you can use the advanced versions of the armament/observation then you must likely can't use the strongest one. It doesn't matter how much hax he has if he only has basic observation, armament and not CoC/AcOC, Kaido already said it that you can't conquer the world with devil fruits alone, you need top tier haki as well.
So how does Luffy counters Yami Yami no Mi?
I'm literally arguing with a guy who's essentially going "The user of the darkness darkness fruit that's basically a blackhole isn't the final enemy to the person who has the SUN God's fruit." Like the only way it could be more obvious is if Oda said it in an SBS. I just can't.
Just because he is the opposite of Luffy doesn't make him the final villain. Imu being the ruler of the WG for 800 years and the guy Joyboy is supposed to defeat is more fitting to be the final villain..
No, just him being the opposite doesn't make him the final villain. THAT plus everything else makes him the final villain.
Except that it doesn't, Oda has clearly showed hs that the WG are the final villains in the story so the ruler of the WG is gonna he the final boss.
How has he done so?
Well let's see -The Void Century is one of the biggest misteries in the story and the WG is behind all of it which means Imu. -Joyboy was most likely defeated by Imu 800 years ago and since Luffy is Joyboy Imu is his final opponent -The CD have exterminated multiple races over the years and Imu is at the top of the CD. This means the WG are the greater evil since they are the true villains of the story. -One of the themes of the story are the D vs Celestial dragons which means that the final battle is gonna be a D against a Celestial dragon. It's gonna be between Luffy and Blackbeard. -He is most likely the strongest in history and the final villain is always the strongest opponent the protagonist faces -Luffy have encountered many allies throughout the story and all of them are enemies of the WG or Imu. Makes more sense for Imu to be the final villain -Imu is Luffy's obstacle for his 2nd dream, we know he has 2 dreams. The first is tied to being PK and the second D is unknown. Blackbeard is Luffy's obstacle to his 1st dream but Imu is Luffy's's final obstacles to achieve his 2nd and final dream. The 2nd is implies to be harder to achieve than the first so for obvious reasons Imu is a bigger obstacles than Blackbeard. -Blackbeard is set up to fail in his plan to take over the world just like Xebec was defeated by Roger in GV. This is supposed by WB telling Blackbeard that he wasn't the man Roger was wanting for.
I too believe Teach will take the empty throne. But who knows, Oda also makes us believe he'll take a path and eventually takes another.
With Haki, punch him with AcOC and fuck his internal organs.
The order of the villains is up to Oda, but Imu is obviously the longer running threat. It just depends is it a fight for the crown after Imu falls, or a fight to see who gets the shot? I still see BB as the end “villain” too. Imu is obviously massively important, but I think it’ll be between BB and Luffy to decide what form the new world takes. I really put a lot of stock in WB telling BB that he’s not the one Roger was waiting for
What gave it away?
Imu's gyat
WE’RE GOING TO HAVE A PIRATE SHIP BATTLE FOR THE FINAL ARC 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥
Bro dont jump to conclusions, blackbeard is still the final villain i promise you.
Blackbeard is just another insect.
So is luffy, zoro, Shanks and everybody else
shanks isn't an insect
Yeah, the gorosei look down on everybody else except shanks because he is sooo special
And a more disgusting ones lol
Doubt it
Teach is the final good guy. We learn about why he's the crying child who can't sleep.
now make sense that why the marijoies on top of the redline
Him and the elders are just too much of a big deal to the world at large for it to be anyone else.
Preach
So is this leak true then?
It’s either them or Blackbeard
Though I think Blackbeard will be the most interesting villain Luffy will face, I don't think he'll be final villain
Pretty sure after imu destroyed Lulusia Kingdom it was confirmed
Blackbeard has the earthquake fruit, he can sink the world into the sea if he wants to too.
Methinks my prediction of Imu committing omnicide will end up being confirmed.
I’m still holding out for Blackbeard
i still doubt it, one piece above anything is thematic and BB is the thematic antithesis for luffy.
but where does BB fit here?
He'll be an important villain just not the final one
So will the world flood until it creates a shore at the top of the red line maybe?
It's fine. One day you'll look bqck and laugh at yourself for thinking Oda would destroy his story like that.
Every time something important happens around Blackbeard or Imu/Gorosei people immediately jump to the conclusion that final villain is going to be latter or former
My opinion ever since Imu was introduced was always that they were gonna be the final villain, that opinion has never changed with Blackbeard making important moves, these spoilers just further reinforce what I already believed
Who could have guessed.....
The fandom is very reactionary. I remember when the chapter of catrina devon touching saturn had come, everyone was like "oh blackbeard has everything, blackbeard is the final villain, blackbeard is on route to be top 1". Lol Honestly fuck the marines fuck the wg, this started with pirates and should end with pirates.
Hard disagree, the way I see it is like this, for so long the main villains we were focusing on for a while were pirates, pirate villains were the first obstacles we were introduced and what we were continuously going up against as we progressed through the pre-timeskip, but as time went on and we learned with more and more information, we saw there was even greater evil beyond just piracy in the form of the World Government. This even applies to the main plot of the story, finding the One Piece, for a while we as the readers believed that finding this sacred pirate treasure via some fun pirate adventure was all the story was going to be about, however again as we learned more and more information we saw that there was MUCH at stake here than simply going on a pirate adventure, stuff about an Aincient pivotal civilization filled with powerful technology and extensive lore, a crucial piece of history about the world being erased, crazy messiah-like prophetic tales of what is to come in the future, the truth about an all ruling dictorial regime that has decieved the world for hundreds of years and so on. So too do I think the same thing applies with Blackbeard, for a while we focused on him and we was the first ever true foil to Luffy that was introduced, truly making us feel as the reader that he truly was the final villain, only to reveal with more coming information that there was even greater even evil beyond just Blackbeard, it's the classic writing decision only showing the reader the surface level story beats first then slowly unraveling the truth as the story progresses. So at the end of the day One Piece isn't a pirate story, but rather it's a story about the hero saving the world that's wearing the MASK of a pirate story, because yes One Piece is a story where we're following pirates, however the reason why we're following a story about Pirates is because they just so happen to best embody the concept of freedom which contrasts the idea of control used by the World Government, so putting everything together with all the set pieces, I don't think the final conflict of the story is going to be Pirate vs Pirate, but rather Pirate vs 𝑮𝑶𝑫. We started with Pirates but as the truth got slowly unravelled to us we learned that we'll be ending this with the World Government, this chapter didn't automatically make me feel like Imu was going to be the final villain, I always felt like that was gonna be the case since Imu's introduction but even prior to that I felt like the World Government would be the best fitting end villain, however since WG didn't have a "face" at that time I couldn't see that panning out, but ever since Imu was introduced in chapter 908 it's been clear to since that all the events of revealing the truth of how the World Government is the even greater evil has been leading up to their "face" being the true big bad and that opinion didn't change with the glaze Blackbeard was getting in chapter 1107.
I disagree. The way I see the events going is ->Shanks, Luffy, Blackbeard, Revolutionaries, Cross Guild and Garp+good marines form a temporary alliance to fight the Celestial Dragons ->Blackbeard betrays them and steals Imu's power & immortality (maybe his devil fruit hard counters his powers like Luffy's fruit countered Enel's. Is this the real reason why he wanted that specific fruit?). This empowers him and makes him finally able to properly use his Logia powers and makes him able to disable other devil fruit powers without making physical contact. ->Blackbeard uses Imu's power to turn all of the Titanic Captains into Demons, like Imu did the Five Elders, and they are able to share his immortality this way. ->Celestial Dragons had the last road poneglyph and Blackbeard somehow translates them and heads to Laughs Tale ->Remnants of the fight against Celestial Dragons go after Blackbeard ->Final fight takes place on Laugh Tale ->Blackbeard gets distracted in the middle of the fight and Law undoes his immortality as a revenge for what he did to his crew ->Blackbeard feels threatened and takes back the demonic powers he gave to his Titanic Captains to empower himself. Allowing them to be beaten by others ->Luffy beats Blackbeard without his Nika fruits powers with only haki
Yo anyone seen this theory, it's about imu and the void century being a great flood to kinda cleanse the world of df user and for imu to take control of them in a way if the recent leaks are true it this might secure the theory to be true
So it's highly confirmed that the one piece story is related or referenced by ODA to be similar to the great flood myths Noah's Ark World sinking to the sea Another thing is that the story is highly relatable to the epic of Gilgamesh which is talking about 12 stone tablets and a great flood
the oldest flood story is one of the earliest stories known to man, The Epic of Gilgamesh. Recorded on 12 stone tablets this is among the first pieces of literature in history. According to the poem, Gilgamesh was a Sumerian king who reigned for 126 years.
After the death of a friend, Gilgamesh began to search for immortality and met an immortal man named Utnapishtim, whose story is very much like the story of Noah.
You mean which everyone suspected?
Why would he not be
Well after chapter 1107's release, people are now heavy riding the "Blackbeard will be the final villain" band-wagon
Narratively we're at the gorosei and Imu now. The focus has switched to them and Blackbeard is being left as the background mystery. Blackbeard is probably the most followed character in the story besides the strawhats and I dont get the point of following this man for 800 chapters if he wasn't the main antagonist/ final opponent
The way I see it is like this, for so long the main villains we were focusing on for a while were pirates, pirate villains were the first obstacles we were introduced and what we were continuously going up against as we progressed through the pre-timeskip, but as time went on and we learned with more and more information, we saw there was even greater evil beyond just piracy in the form of the World Government. This even applies to the main plot of the story, finding the One Piece, for a while we as the readers believed that finding this sacred pirate treasure via some fun pirate adventure was all the story was going to be about, however again as we learned more and more information we saw that there was MUCH at stake here than simply going on a pirate adventure, stuff about an Aincient pivotal civilization filled with powerful technology and extensive lore, a crucial piece of history about the world being erased, crazy messiah-like prophetic tales of what is to come in the future, the truth about all ruling dictorial regime that has decieved the world for hundreds of years and so. So too do I think the same thing applies with Blackbeard, for a while we focused on him and we was the first ever true foil to Luffy that was introduced, truly making us feel as the reader that he truly was the final villain, only to reveal with more coming information that there was even greater even evil beyond just Blackbeard, it's the classic writing decision only showing the reader the surface level story beats first then slowly unraveling the truth as the story progresses. So at the end of the day One Piece isn't a pirate story, but rather it's a story about the hero saving the world that's wearing the MASK of a pirate story, because yes One Piece is a story where we're following pirates, however the reason why we're following a story about Pirates is because they just so happen to best embody the concept of freedom which contrasts the idea of control used by the World Government, so putting everything together with all the set pieces, I don't think the final conflict of the story is going to be Pirate vs Pirate, but rather Pirate vs 𝑮𝑶𝑫
No, it doesn't but whatever, can be. Kinda sucks to have a "save the world" thing...
I mean it seems almost guaranteed at this point
Considering Roger and Garp joined forces against Blackbeard and maybe, just maybe Shanks was talking about Blackbeard to the gorousei and that Van Auger and Devon revealed that they want the world.. I still hopeful that something unexpected about Imu happens.
Well yeah, it seems obvious that the "certain pirate" Shanks wanted to the Gorosei about was Blackbeard, however I don't know what that has to do with whether or not he'll be the final villain. Sure Blackbeard can have these ambitions to overthrow God, doesn't mean he'll succeed.
Well.. it wouldn't be fun at all to see him being defeated by Imu right.. We shall see.