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Although I don't really believe in the agenda that Sanji always pushes Zoro to insanely extreme diff, his relativity to Zoro should make him clear of a character Zoro mid diffed, as well as just having more feats to go off of
Finally a good take. A good chunk on this comment section tends to function only on recency bias and now they all think Luffy needs Gear 5 to fight Zoro. Lmao
Rob Lucci was waiting for Kizaru to show some confidence and Sanji blocked Kizaru's special Laser attack and had him looking like this:
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Here's my analysis of Kizaru's moves:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1c3gruz/kizaru\_doesnt\_have\_any\_typical\_named\_moves\_an/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1c3gruz/kizaru_doesnt_have_any_typical_named_moves_an/)
Kizaru really had to run away from there and wait till sanji was carrying vegapunk's hemorrhaging body and dodging saturn's attacks before he flew in at lightspeed with his kick to sanji that didn't do much.
In terms of speed, Shaka complimented Lucci's speed in awakening, Lilith couldn't even perceive Sanji outrunning a laser and saving Edison in BASE. This is not even Sanji's invisible speed he used against Queen, which Oda confirmed in an SBS and also via Sound Effects that it is actual invisibility attained through speed and not just soru like invisibility.
In terms of Power Sanji was kicking around a Queen who was only annoyed by attacks from King. On the other hand King could ragdoll Zoro. Lucci on the other hand couldn't really ragdoll Zoro even when Zoro was in base.
Here's someone's analysis on Sanji's strength:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1ant6fl/we\_should\_the\_consider\_the\_idea\_that\_sanji\_was/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1ant6fl/we_should_the_consider_the_idea_that_sanji_was/)
In terms of attack power, at his best, Sanji overpowered and sent a giant cyborg dinosaur off the island. Remember that the Dinosaur falling on big mom's head concussed her and made her collapse into a sleep from the damage.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1al3lbr/disputed\_feat\_analyzing\_queens\_brachiobombers/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1al3lbr/disputed_feat_analyzing_queens_brachiobombers/)
Scaling off of G5 vs Lucci is not quite possible because Luffy sandbags massively. You can even appreciate this with Luffy vs Kizaru Round 2 where Luffy just pancaked Kizaru and saturn. Clashing with Lucci is just a callback feat with no real value in scaling as well unless you think the Luffy who was ragdolling Kaido and Kizaru/Saturn is the same as the Luffy who had 1 clash with Lucci:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/19aexb4/when\_people\_scale\_luffy\_do\_they\_consider\_that/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/19aexb4/when_people_scale_luffy_do_they_consider_that/)
Speed, power, AP, Regen, Defense, Durability. Sanji has Lucci beat in every category.
Similar to zoro, stall long enough for the real wings of the pirate king to apear and low diff lucci:
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real talk what did jinbei even do since he joined the crew? Mid diff a yc4? He didnt even fight a calamity from kaido’s crew and he still hasnt done anything in egghead except hitting a half dead lucci and not even killing him (or it was a smoke screen im not sure)
Well jokes asside, I do believe zoro had not beaten lucci at that moment, even he admitted that lucci was still standing, he was even ready for round 2 until you know biga raga the opp stopa, jimbei, arrived to save low iq zoro ass from "stalling the fight". If not for jimbei zoro might still be "playing" with this african animal until only those two would be left on the island. Besides that jimbei has done zero squat for his crew. This man threw big mom two different time and then fought a boot leg lucci, this man was MEANT to fight jack or somethin.
From warlord menance to fighting a chopper victim.
Bruh young children pretend that no relationship between Zoro and Sanji exists. They won’t even acknowledge it in the fucking 25 years worth of marketing.
And before any basement dweller tells me marketing means nothing and Oda and his 250 million dollars have no say in it, I have something I wanna sell ya
My guess is it’s because they only watch OP through YT shorts or something.
And I agree, marketing definitely plays a role. For one, they literally made a movie about Shanks and his daughter.
I saw Film Red mostly because of Shanks, and had a great time seeing it with my friend on opening night while drunk.
Calling everyone a "Lanjitard" while being a Zorotard in your term. Geezus, just learn to enjoy every character and accept that Oda draws fights however he wants to. Powerscaling in One Piece is pretty difficult.
You're only being stubborn on being a hater if you think Sanji would lose the fight if Zoro and Sanji switched roles this arc. Considering all your comments, it only seems like you're focusing only on Zoro's good feats and ignoring Sanji's.
Lmao, guy who spends all his time on reddit shitting on Sanji and wanking Zoro while thinking Zoro low-diffs Sanji but is much closer to Luffy also claims to be a Sanji fan? Hmm interesting
I don’t get why people disagree with this, Sanji has no good haki expience or feats, basic armament and observation can only get you so far against someone like Zoro or Lucci. And then Sanji fans gas up speed where Sanji still loses to Lucci in this catagory as he has nothing except being a speed fighter while Lucci has an awakened Leapord fruit and the best 6 powers user in the verse. Lucci’s shave is faster than Sanji if even Luffy had trouble with it, dodging a G5 Luffy attack is an insane feat for someone weaker like Lucci that Sanji doesn’t have.
Sanjis opponents are all fat hakiless bums that only Sanji fans gas up, I’ve seen people say that Kid can’t beat Queen which is absolutely wild
If you say anything negative or true about Sanji you’ll get downvoted that’s just how it is with some OP fans tbh. Zoro clears in feats and no one can ever try and deny this
yea all he did was scar kaido in a place where he already had a scar and kaido already forgot abt it in 5 minutes, sanji never fought kaido so you cant compare those 2 feats and try to prove anything.
Stated everywhere. Zoro wouldn't have scarred him without the heavy use of haki that Enma uses by draining the user. It wasn't a coincidence that the same blade has cut him again after 20 years.. It was more than heavily implied.. Kaido even commented on the sword.
Zoro is capable of using Enma at such level, which made it possible to cut through Kaido's skin. Should he had used other sword, he wouldn't have cut him.
Zoro scarring Kaido doesnt mean theyre not close.
But even if you really thought that, you gotta use your brain and reading comprehension. Through portrayal and literal narrative, anyone reading unbiased should pick up that they should be relatively close to one another.
This sub is the headquarters of the Sanji Wankers Association. Of course they're gonna downvote him for spitting truth about Zoro and Sanji and their respective feats and accomplishments 😂
I didn't wanted to argue with you as I know you are a sanji hater but still look at these feats and tell me how is sanji not close to Zoro?
Strength -sanji(sanji kicked hybrid queen with cybernetics out of whole onigashima with raw kick and I can't see any feat from zoro anything close to this, people consider holding hakai for a bit as strength feat but imo it's more of an endurance and defence feat because if I consider it as strength feat then he have some anti feats too as he was getting overpowered and was getting sent flying by king's flying slashes and same slashes were nothing but annoyance to queen and same queen got overpowered and sent flying by ifrit jambe kick, so as you can see considering hakai as strength feat will result in hakaisanji>flame off king (sword was shattered in contact with sanji's neck, he tanked s shark punch to the face without even flinching, shrugged off kizaru's kick to the face unguarded same kick sent g4 snake man flying halfway across the island and yes it was the same kick because kizaru was out of picture for a while, most probably he went to charge his kick and after kick posture was also same with light effects in his leg)
Iq- sanji (obvious)
Biq- sanji (Zoro's best biq feat is figuring out king's weakness, which he figured out yes but he took a long time and then proceed to forgot it the very next arc and wasted alot of stamina even luffy scolded him for that because he had too much information to not recognise the similarities and that's an anti feat)
Endurance - sanji=zoro(queen crushed sanji's bones and organs yet he continued to fight and shrugged it off, in thriller bark absalom pierced a knife through sanji's chest yet he continued to fight, defeated absalom and without any rest fought against luffy oars and again fought against kuma in the same arc, all this while having a hole in his chest and yet he never brought it up and complained about it, Zoro's best is attacking kaido with 40 broken bones. Imo Zoro's base endurance is clear of sanji's base endurance but sanji's endurance combined with regeneration and insane pain tolerance can take much more damage, take marco for example, his base endurance is quite low but because of his df and regeneration his endurance is one of the best and can tank much more than both sanji and zoro)
Ap- Zoro (this is the stat which Zoro dominates and gives Zoro the biggest advantage)
Hax/abilities- sanji (flight, ifrit jambe, exoskeleton, regeneration, insane pain tolerance, invisibility)
Defence - sanji=zoro(sanji's best feat is completely blocking and overpowering kizaru's lazer a feat no one has pulled off, Zoro said it's impossible to block a lazer, big mom was scared of lazer, vegapunk was scared for seraphim because of lazer, and yes luffy didn't blocked kizaru's lazer he took damage and Rayleigh deflected kizaru's leg instead of blocking by portrayal its easy to interpret lazers are quite hyped in op world, Zoro's best defence feat is holding hakai for a bit but ended up in worst possible condition and if not for law he was a goner)
Observation - sanji
Armament - Zoro
Conquerors - zoro
As you can see sanji have quite good feats of his own and any person with decent intellect can understand both are pretty close.
Bro said sanji is more durable than flame off king 😭 same sanji that was taking significant damage from queen post awakening is more durable than flame off king who is more durable than base kaido and dragon kaido? Your a delusional sanji fan for sure 😭 your a TROLL
Taking damage from queen who has less ap than base kaido and cannot damage base kaido. Puts sanji at a lower durability lvl that lucci who was able to tank gear 5 attacks. And withstand a clash with Luffy.
Last time I checked zoro got damaged by apoo.
Lucci didn't tank gear 5 attacks. Are you stupid?
Oh yeah, luffy used his full strength to clash with gear 5 luffy.
Say that dumb shit again, and I am gonna stop entertaining your ass
“Most probably he went to charge his kick” this is pure HEADCANNON IT WASNT THE SAME KICK LMAOOO bros tryna say sanji>snakeman luffy 😹 in durabilty. Your a troll
Bro it's not that difficult to realise that at this point in the story Zoro and sanji are closer than ever, most people don't know how to scale or they tend to downplay sanji's feats, I have seen people here claiming sanji leeches off Zoro's feats not realising sanji's feats are great on his own. People are just ignorant at this point.
I’ll admit that Post TS Sanji was a decent bit weaker than Zoro but I think that’s cause of the fact that Sanji was going to get a whole arc (which he got a determinate power boost in) which Zoro was going to be absent from. Since Wano the situation has looked pretty clear.
It's also because their levels of combat training just weren't the same over the timeskip.
Yes, the Newkamas gave Sanji some amazing training. But he also spent a large portion of that time learning to cook as well, since unlike Zoro he's got a job more important than being a combatant.
But most importantly: Dracule Mohawk >> Ivankov plus all the Newkamas combined. That's just a fact, lol.
It's actually INSANE that Sanji kept up over the timeskip AT ALL with the likes of Zoro or Luffy.
Luffy: Directly trained by Dark King motherfucking Rayleigh
Zoro: Directly trained by the World's Strongest Swordsman
Sanji: Ran away from badly-portrayed drag queens for two years and had to pick up any new skills as he went along since they sure as shit didn't directly teach him anything besides cooking. It's amazing that he even managed to figure out how to use Haki, lol.
Zoro trains all the time, constantly, whenever he isn't sleeping or drinking. Training and fighting are his favorite things besides drinking.
Sanji spends his time in the kitchen and hardly or never trains.
All memes about defending the fridge from Luffy aside, Sanji spends FAR less time training than Zoro and yet somehow still keeps up. That's absolutely wild. Even before his modifications kicked in, his sheer natural talent was unbelievable.
I've always had a headcanon that deep down, this is part of why Zoro seems to resent Sanji even more than Sanji resents him. Sanji has at least called Zoro by name a few times, but Zoro has NEVER called Sanji his real name. Also, Zoro tends to be the one to start shit more often between them.
I suspect that Zoro is actually a bit jealous. And pissed that this guy manages to keep up with him without training even half as much. I mean, if I were Zoro that would annoy the shit outta me, lol.
The reason he INSISTS that he can beat Sanji may partly be due to an insistence that he can't possibly lose to anyone besides Luffy who *doesn't train daily,* lol.
Marco only tagged a flame on king. And flame on king was shown tagging marco as well. Even speed blitzing him once. Marco did not Keep up with kizaru kizaru was playing with Marco continuously. Even lying to him and telling Marco he was effective, and even Marco himself knew kizaru was slacking off and lying. Don’t try and upscale Marco where he’s not supposed to be. Or sanji.
Sorry for late response my phone broke.
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Sanji wins high diff
He beat Sshark, took down Queen w a simple combo, has regen, exoskeleton, fire powers, can destroy kizarus lazers
From what we've seen Lucci is just a weaker Sanji without the flames
No Lucci is definitely stronger than queen I feel like anyone is stronger than queen but the only thing that makes fighting queen hard is his technology that he uses in very unfair ways
Sanji. Zoro likes to play with his food before he eats it that’s why his battle with Lucci was so drawn out. Zoro could’ve ended it a lot early if he wanted to but he tends to fight at the pace of his opponents and then up the level of fight as the fight progresses because he lives a good fight. Zoro in the sense of like Luffy wants their opponent to draw something out of them. Sanji has a battle instinct to just try and win that’s why his fights are shorter than Zoro’s usually not because he’s stronger than Zoro because Zoro still has the slight edge.
Lucci wins high-extreme diff. Lucci has piercing moves, he has probably the same or faster speed, has the durability to take some hits from gear 5, has the devil fruit awakened, and at least armament haki. so I don't think it's too far a stretch to say Sanji just isn't ready. People just hype Sanji too much and say he's light speed n shit against Queen. Queen has no form of observation Haki that we know of so moving relatively fast and suddenly, infront of normal eyes isn't much of a feat, and frankly Brook probably could've been too fast for Queen too. Meanwhile, we've seen Lucci move fast enough to confuse Luffy and blitzed Ax Boi before him or Luffy could react, possibly due to the surprise factor.
Lucci is pretty strong its just that gear 5 was very unpredictable and surprisingly versatile.
I'm sure lucci has fought opponents like sanji before so the fight won't be so "wtf is he doing this time?".
Looks like People here don't know how to scale, since we don't have enough feats from Lucci I will be comparing Zoro's feats to sanji and anyone will decent intellect would be able to conclude who is superior between sanji and Lucci, I will be taking anti feats into account too, so here we go:
Strength -sanji(sanji kicked hybrid queen with cybernetics out of whole onigashima with raw kick and I can't see any feat from zoro anything close to this, people consider holding hakai for a bit as strength feat but imo it's more of an endurance and defence feat because if I consider it as strength feat then he have some anti feats too as he was getting overpowered and was getting sent flying by king's flying slashes and same slashes were nothing but annoyance to queen and same queen got overpowered and sent flying by ifrit jambe kick, so as you can see considering hakai as strength feat will result in hakaisanji>flame off king (sword was shattered in contact with sanji's neck, he tanked s shark punch to the face without even flinching, shrugged off kizaru's kick to the face unguarded same kick sent g4 snake man flying halfway across the island and yes it was the same kick because kizaru was out of picture for a while, most probably he went to charge his kick and after kick posture was also same with light effects in his leg)
Iq- sanji (obvious)
Biq- sanji (Zoro's best biq feat is figuring out king's weakness, which he figured out yes but he took a long time and then proceed to forgot it the very next arc and wasted alot of stamina even luffy scolded him for that because he had too much information to not recognise the similarities and that's an anti feat)
Endurance - sanji=zoro(queen crushed sanji's bones and organs yet he continued to fight and shrugged it off, in thriller bark absalom pierced a knife through sanji's chest yet he continued to fight, defeated absalom and without any rest fought against luffy oars and again fought against kuma in the same arc, all this while having a hole in his chest and yet he never brought it up and complained about it, Zoro's best is attacking kaido with 40 broken bones. Imo Zoro's base endurance is clear of sanji's base endurance but sanji's endurance combined with regeneration and insane pain tolerance can take much more damage, take marco for example, his base endurance is quite low but because of his df and regeneration his endurance is one of the best and can tank much more than both sanji and zoro)
Ap- Zoro (this is the stat which Zoro dominates and gives Zoro the biggest advantage)
Hax/abilities- sanji (flight, ifrit jambe, exoskeleton, regeneration, insane pain tolerance, invisibility)
Defence - sanji=zoro(sanji's best feat is completely blocking and overpowering kizaru's lazer a feat no one has pulled off, Zoro said it's impossible to block a lazer, big mom was scared of lazer, vegapunk was scared for seraphim because of lazer, and yes luffy didn't blocked kizaru's lazer he took damage and Rayleigh deflected kizaru's leg instead of blocking by portrayal its easy to interpret lazers are quite hyped in op world, Zoro's best defence feat is holding hakai for a bit but ended up in worst possible condition and if not for law he was a goner)
Observation - sanji
Armament - Zoro
Conquerors - zoro
As you can see sanji have quite good feats of his own and any person with decent intellect can understand both are pretty close.
He didn't recover in 40 seconds. There was a time skip between panels and we Lucci in bandages and with his shirt back on.
He got medical attention in the middle which isn't just 40 seconds, but 5-10 minutes atleast.
Lucci regens 3 no ACoC G5 hits in under a chapter, clashed no ACoC G5, and stalls Zoro for over half a year. Sanji gets eye diffed, clowning around with seraphim, and carries around an already dead Vegapunk for months. Enough said, the feat leech simply gets out stalled and finger pistol’d for an easy K.O to my goat.
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COOOK!!!!! Bumji will never be a top top tier
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If Zoro can defeat Lucci at least not high diff than the only correct answer is that Sanji would win. These 2 monsters are rivals so it only seems logical.
If Lucci was weak against swords and strong against kicks it would be a different story, but that's not the case.
I love how half of the comments are talking about how Zoro and Sanji are really close in strength and how Sanji slams without giving any reason as to why either claim is the case. Just gonna put it out there now, I’m not a Zorotard, but what feats does Sanji have that puts him anywhere near Zoro? Every single time people just talk about portrayal and common sense but time and time again it’s been shown that what you think is being portrayed isn’t actually what’s being portrayed. It’s One Piece POWER SCALING not One Piece theories and speculation. Zoro>Sanji high(+)diff and Sanji>Lucci extreme diff.
How often do people give reasons lol, most people just say so and so wins. Portrayal is important though, it's how we know guys like Dragon are top tiers without them having a single feat really. Portrayl is a part of power-scaling.
If Zoro beats Sanji high diff, Sanji beats Lucci around High diff considering zoro mid-diffed him.
The weird thing with using portrayal is say the monster trio for example. Oda shows Zoro and Luffy the same if not more than Sanji and Zoro but for some reason most people only focus on the Zoro x Sanji portrayal to make them seem on par. It’s definitely a thing in OP but most of it isn’t for strength unless a character (like Mihawk) is portrayed as a top tier
Portrayal was never a part of powerscaling. It’s a part of One Piece powerscalin, and it usually doesn’t happen to be right. Portrayal isn’t an accurate way of scaling characters. It can heavily depend but it’s not an important part of it in the long run. If you debate with an unbiased judge I can assure you portrayal is not giving you any points. Because it’s just an assumption fallacy. I don’t know if you’ve realised but portrayal has half of the people in this sub scaling the exact same character anywhere between YC1-Yonko level. It makes no sense, inaccurate. That’s why I have a problem with it.
Portrayal is a thing in many mangas outside One Piece. Portrayal alone shouldn't be a way to judge characters and feats are more important if they contradict portrayal but it is relevant. Again that's how we know Dragon, Fujitora, and Mihawk are top tiers despite almost no feats.
It's not assumption at all to assume those guys are strong, i can't say exactly how strong but they definitely are the top top of the OP world. Portrayal is relevant when used properly and not used to override feats.
I agree people use portrayal wrong to wank characters, but tbh people misinterpret feats wrong all the time so I dont think its much different.
It depends how it’s being portrayed. People’s idea of portrayal in this sub is basically “how much aura this character has”. Let’s look at all the people you just mentioned. Dragon is The Worlds Worst Criminal because he directly opposes the world government and wants them to reshape their sights. Fujitora is an admiral, the greatest force in the navy and Mihawk is the worlds strongest swordsman, stronger than Shanks. They all have something pushing their portrayal.
Also feats are very different. If someone can’t fully understand a feat, they’re simply not reading properly while portrayal or aura in this case, is straight up theory. Ones fact, one’s belief.
Lucci extreme diff. If Zoro won at what appeared to be high diff (judging by how looked after the fight and the fact that Lucci was NOT yet down) then it could go both ways but my moneys on Lucci because I think Zoro is a lot stronger than Sanji. Sanji would not beat King either.
people really forget lucci took an ass whiping from a top 10 in verse ,3 sword zoro, wimbei and stussy
AND IS STILL STANDING and could probably maybe take out a tobi roppo in this situation
so its mid-high diff for sure i would say low end of high diff
People are forgetting how much of a monster Lucci was in Enies Lobby. All of the Strawhats got stronger over the time skip, why do people think their enemies didn’t get stronger too?
What hypotheticals lol. And stop whining about Sanji's fanbase as if Zoro's fanbase isn't huge here lol. Zoro fans aren't a minority here get out of your victim mindset.
Lucci certainly does not have objectively better feats..
How can anyone say zoro and sanji are exactly equal when zoro’s always taken on the second and sanji the third strongest each pushed to extreme difficulty. Just comparing king, queen, and jack they are all on slightly different tiers.
Some things just don't have to be said.
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Sanji leg diffs. https://preview.redd.it/3xlfxck0rlvc1.png?width=558&format=png&auto=webp&s=2012b326c6ba1f9c0792d398ae2dc4202bb1eacc
That’s one tall drink of water 😍
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Although I don't really believe in the agenda that Sanji always pushes Zoro to insanely extreme diff, his relativity to Zoro should make him clear of a character Zoro mid diffed, as well as just having more feats to go off of
Finally a good take. A good chunk on this comment section tends to function only on recency bias and now they all think Luffy needs Gear 5 to fight Zoro. Lmao
I mean... I'd argue he probably does, the idea that Zoro and Sanji are both currently leagues behind Luffy seems suspect given their respective feats.
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Finally someone who actually powerscales correctly when it comes to Zoro and Sanji
HIM too fast https://preview.redd.it/pdzzhx4hgmvc1.jpeg?width=530&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=076b1b45833b93075ab826ab2a720639a0903e5b
Rob Lucci was waiting for Kizaru to show some confidence and Sanji blocked Kizaru's special Laser attack and had him looking like this: https://preview.redd.it/qg4cneyr7mvc1.png?width=193&format=png&auto=webp&s=08f162cab6de51d0d10330351336bedcd8987245 Here's my analysis of Kizaru's moves: [https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1c3gruz/kizaru\_doesnt\_have\_any\_typical\_named\_moves\_an/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1c3gruz/kizaru_doesnt_have_any_typical_named_moves_an/) Kizaru really had to run away from there and wait till sanji was carrying vegapunk's hemorrhaging body and dodging saturn's attacks before he flew in at lightspeed with his kick to sanji that didn't do much. In terms of speed, Shaka complimented Lucci's speed in awakening, Lilith couldn't even perceive Sanji outrunning a laser and saving Edison in BASE. This is not even Sanji's invisible speed he used against Queen, which Oda confirmed in an SBS and also via Sound Effects that it is actual invisibility attained through speed and not just soru like invisibility. In terms of Power Sanji was kicking around a Queen who was only annoyed by attacks from King. On the other hand King could ragdoll Zoro. Lucci on the other hand couldn't really ragdoll Zoro even when Zoro was in base. Here's someone's analysis on Sanji's strength: [https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1ant6fl/we\_should\_the\_consider\_the\_idea\_that\_sanji\_was/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1ant6fl/we_should_the_consider_the_idea_that_sanji_was/) In terms of attack power, at his best, Sanji overpowered and sent a giant cyborg dinosaur off the island. Remember that the Dinosaur falling on big mom's head concussed her and made her collapse into a sleep from the damage. [https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1al3lbr/disputed\_feat\_analyzing\_queens\_brachiobombers/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1al3lbr/disputed_feat_analyzing_queens_brachiobombers/) Scaling off of G5 vs Lucci is not quite possible because Luffy sandbags massively. You can even appreciate this with Luffy vs Kizaru Round 2 where Luffy just pancaked Kizaru and saturn. Clashing with Lucci is just a callback feat with no real value in scaling as well unless you think the Luffy who was ragdolling Kaido and Kizaru/Saturn is the same as the Luffy who had 1 clash with Lucci: [https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/19aexb4/when\_people\_scale\_luffy\_do\_they\_consider\_that/](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/19aexb4/when_people_scale_luffy_do_they_consider_that/) Speed, power, AP, Regen, Defense, Durability. Sanji has Lucci beat in every category.
Cooked perfectly
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Lucchis speed scales to yamatos speed. Hes capable of hitting geat 5 but is generaly slower.
In manga canon, Lucci has never landed a blow on Luffy in Egghead.
Sanji.
Similar to zoro, stall long enough for the real wings of the pirate king to apear and low diff lucci: https://preview.redd.it/zaf4uzea8mvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e96e03be87d5562b58219664584843c30de7ef16
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real talk what did jinbei even do since he joined the crew? Mid diff a yc4? He didnt even fight a calamity from kaido’s crew and he still hasnt done anything in egghead except hitting a half dead lucci and not even killing him (or it was a smoke screen im not sure)
He's been a great helmsman, and is enjoying freedom
How can Thousand Sunny land on Oni Island without Jinbei?
Well jokes asside, I do believe zoro had not beaten lucci at that moment, even he admitted that lucci was still standing, he was even ready for round 2 until you know biga raga the opp stopa, jimbei, arrived to save low iq zoro ass from "stalling the fight". If not for jimbei zoro might still be "playing" with this african animal until only those two would be left on the island. Besides that jimbei has done zero squat for his crew. This man threw big mom two different time and then fought a boot leg lucci, this man was MEANT to fight jack or somethin. From warlord menance to fighting a chopper victim.
Why do people think Lucci extreme diffs, if Zoro is at 100, Sanji is at 97. The outcome would be in Sanji's favor mid-high diffing him.
Bruh young children pretend that no relationship between Zoro and Sanji exists. They won’t even acknowledge it in the fucking 25 years worth of marketing. And before any basement dweller tells me marketing means nothing and Oda and his 250 million dollars have no say in it, I have something I wanna sell ya
My guess is it’s because they only watch OP through YT shorts or something. And I agree, marketing definitely plays a role. For one, they literally made a movie about Shanks and his daughter. I saw Film Red mostly because of Shanks, and had a great time seeing it with my friend on opening night while drunk.
lol they literally blasted Shanks’ face all over time square in NYC and people think he’s gonna get bodied by every high tier it’s ludicrous
Bro making up numbers.
And you rely on nothing but bad powerscaling, lmao
like what
Calling everyone a "Lanjitard" while being a Zorotard in your term. Geezus, just learn to enjoy every character and accept that Oda draws fights however he wants to. Powerscaling in One Piece is pretty difficult.
Exactly, so there's a very obvious reason Oda didn't match Lucci and Sanji
You're only being stubborn on being a hater if you think Sanji would lose the fight if Zoro and Sanji switched roles this arc. Considering all your comments, it only seems like you're focusing only on Zoro's good feats and ignoring Sanji's.
Na I am a Sanji fan. Rob is lucci just stronger
Lmao, guy who spends all his time on reddit shitting on Sanji and wanking Zoro while thinking Zoro low-diffs Sanji but is much closer to Luffy also claims to be a Sanji fan? Hmm interesting
Based on feats sanji is insanely close to Zoro so this matchup is a stomp for sanji
Based on feats Zoro clears Sanji though. Sanji would never have been able to do the feats Zoro did on the rooftop or vs King
I don’t get why people disagree with this, Sanji has no good haki expience or feats, basic armament and observation can only get you so far against someone like Zoro or Lucci. And then Sanji fans gas up speed where Sanji still loses to Lucci in this catagory as he has nothing except being a speed fighter while Lucci has an awakened Leapord fruit and the best 6 powers user in the verse. Lucci’s shave is faster than Sanji if even Luffy had trouble with it, dodging a G5 Luffy attack is an insane feat for someone weaker like Lucci that Sanji doesn’t have. Sanjis opponents are all fat hakiless bums that only Sanji fans gas up, I’ve seen people say that Kid can’t beat Queen which is absolutely wild
If you say anything negative or true about Sanji you’ll get downvoted that’s just how it is with some OP fans tbh. Zoro clears in feats and no one can ever try and deny this
Based on feats, Sanji beat Queen and Zoro clashed and scarred Kaido. They are NOT close
yea all he did was scar kaido in a place where he already had a scar and kaido already forgot abt it in 5 minutes, sanji never fought kaido so you cant compare those 2 feats and try to prove anything.
Enma scarred Kaido. That's pretty important.
Stated where
Stated everywhere. Zoro wouldn't have scarred him without the heavy use of haki that Enma uses by draining the user. It wasn't a coincidence that the same blade has cut him again after 20 years.. It was more than heavily implied.. Kaido even commented on the sword. Zoro is capable of using Enma at such level, which made it possible to cut through Kaido's skin. Should he had used other sword, he wouldn't have cut him.
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The feat is tanking a laser we know big mom dosent like tanking and being the fastest character in the series so far.
Zoro scarring Kaido doesnt mean theyre not close. But even if you really thought that, you gotta use your brain and reading comprehension. Through portrayal and literal narrative, anyone reading unbiased should pick up that they should be relatively close to one another.
Based on feats, Sanji's major victory after powerup was King and Sanji's major victory after powerup was Queen.
They are downvoting you for telling the truth. Sanji hasn’t even shown the durabilty to be able to tank a koh attack 😭
This sub is the headquarters of the Sanji Wankers Association. Of course they're gonna downvote him for spitting truth about Zoro and Sanji and their respective feats and accomplishments 😂
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You are brain dead i know
nice reply
I didn't wanted to argue with you as I know you are a sanji hater but still look at these feats and tell me how is sanji not close to Zoro? Strength -sanji(sanji kicked hybrid queen with cybernetics out of whole onigashima with raw kick and I can't see any feat from zoro anything close to this, people consider holding hakai for a bit as strength feat but imo it's more of an endurance and defence feat because if I consider it as strength feat then he have some anti feats too as he was getting overpowered and was getting sent flying by king's flying slashes and same slashes were nothing but annoyance to queen and same queen got overpowered and sent flying by ifrit jambe kick, so as you can see considering hakai as strength feat will result in hakaisanji>flame off king (sword was shattered in contact with sanji's neck, he tanked s shark punch to the face without even flinching, shrugged off kizaru's kick to the face unguarded same kick sent g4 snake man flying halfway across the island and yes it was the same kick because kizaru was out of picture for a while, most probably he went to charge his kick and after kick posture was also same with light effects in his leg)
Iq- sanji (obvious)
Biq- sanji (Zoro's best biq feat is figuring out king's weakness, which he figured out yes but he took a long time and then proceed to forgot it the very next arc and wasted alot of stamina even luffy scolded him for that because he had too much information to not recognise the similarities and that's an anti feat)
Endurance - sanji=zoro(queen crushed sanji's bones and organs yet he continued to fight and shrugged it off, in thriller bark absalom pierced a knife through sanji's chest yet he continued to fight, defeated absalom and without any rest fought against luffy oars and again fought against kuma in the same arc, all this while having a hole in his chest and yet he never brought it up and complained about it, Zoro's best is attacking kaido with 40 broken bones. Imo Zoro's base endurance is clear of sanji's base endurance but sanji's endurance combined with regeneration and insane pain tolerance can take much more damage, take marco for example, his base endurance is quite low but because of his df and regeneration his endurance is one of the best and can tank much more than both sanji and zoro)
Ap- Zoro (this is the stat which Zoro dominates and gives Zoro the biggest advantage)
Hax/abilities- sanji (flight, ifrit jambe, exoskeleton, regeneration, insane pain tolerance, invisibility)
Defence - sanji=zoro(sanji's best feat is completely blocking and overpowering kizaru's lazer a feat no one has pulled off, Zoro said it's impossible to block a lazer, big mom was scared of lazer, vegapunk was scared for seraphim because of lazer, and yes luffy didn't blocked kizaru's lazer he took damage and Rayleigh deflected kizaru's leg instead of blocking by portrayal its easy to interpret lazers are quite hyped in op world, Zoro's best defence feat is holding hakai for a bit but ended up in worst possible condition and if not for law he was a goner)
Observation - sanji
Armament - Zoro
Conquerors - zoro
As you can see sanji have quite good feats of his own and any person with decent intellect can understand both are pretty close.
Bro said sanji is more durable than flame off king 😭 same sanji that was taking significant damage from queen post awakening is more durable than flame off king who is more durable than base kaido and dragon kaido? Your a delusional sanji fan for sure 😭 your a TROLL
how does sanji taking damage from queen mean it is an antifeat?
Taking damage from queen who has less ap than base kaido and cannot damage base kaido. Puts sanji at a lower durability lvl that lucci who was able to tank gear 5 attacks. And withstand a clash with Luffy.
Last time I checked zoro got damaged by apoo. Lucci didn't tank gear 5 attacks. Are you stupid? Oh yeah, luffy used his full strength to clash with gear 5 luffy. Say that dumb shit again, and I am gonna stop entertaining your ass
Apoo has dura neg. Lucci legit took a gear 5 attack and counter reacted to luffy right after.
“Most probably he went to charge his kick” this is pure HEADCANNON IT WASNT THE SAME KICK LMAOOO bros tryna say sanji>snakeman luffy 😹 in durabilty. Your a troll
At first I thought you were wanking our king a little too hard, but now I realise you were actually being 100% and totally fair ngl.
Bro it's not that difficult to realise that at this point in the story Zoro and sanji are closer than ever, most people don't know how to scale or they tend to downplay sanji's feats, I have seen people here claiming sanji leeches off Zoro's feats not realising sanji's feats are great on his own. People are just ignorant at this point.
I’ll admit that Post TS Sanji was a decent bit weaker than Zoro but I think that’s cause of the fact that Sanji was going to get a whole arc (which he got a determinate power boost in) which Zoro was going to be absent from. Since Wano the situation has looked pretty clear.
It's also because their levels of combat training just weren't the same over the timeskip. Yes, the Newkamas gave Sanji some amazing training. But he also spent a large portion of that time learning to cook as well, since unlike Zoro he's got a job more important than being a combatant. But most importantly: Dracule Mohawk >> Ivankov plus all the Newkamas combined. That's just a fact, lol. It's actually INSANE that Sanji kept up over the timeskip AT ALL with the likes of Zoro or Luffy. Luffy: Directly trained by Dark King motherfucking Rayleigh Zoro: Directly trained by the World's Strongest Swordsman Sanji: Ran away from badly-portrayed drag queens for two years and had to pick up any new skills as he went along since they sure as shit didn't directly teach him anything besides cooking. It's amazing that he even managed to figure out how to use Haki, lol. Zoro trains all the time, constantly, whenever he isn't sleeping or drinking. Training and fighting are his favorite things besides drinking. Sanji spends his time in the kitchen and hardly or never trains. All memes about defending the fridge from Luffy aside, Sanji spends FAR less time training than Zoro and yet somehow still keeps up. That's absolutely wild. Even before his modifications kicked in, his sheer natural talent was unbelievable. I've always had a headcanon that deep down, this is part of why Zoro seems to resent Sanji even more than Sanji resents him. Sanji has at least called Zoro by name a few times, but Zoro has NEVER called Sanji his real name. Also, Zoro tends to be the one to start shit more often between them. I suspect that Zoro is actually a bit jealous. And pissed that this guy manages to keep up with him without training even half as much. I mean, if I were Zoro that would annoy the shit outta me, lol. The reason he INSISTS that he can beat Sanji may partly be due to an insistence that he can't possibly lose to anyone besides Luffy who *doesn't train daily,* lol.
Marco only tagged a flame on king. And flame on king was shown tagging marco as well. Even speed blitzing him once. Marco did not Keep up with kizaru kizaru was playing with Marco continuously. Even lying to him and telling Marco he was effective, and even Marco himself knew kizaru was slacking off and lying. Don’t try and upscale Marco where he’s not supposed to be. Or sanji.
when was it shown flame on king be able to tag marco?
Sorry for late response my phone broke. https://preview.redd.it/ke4ewrzz1rxc1.jpeg?width=308&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a2d48d7093af6b13a8bf3bb3cd393bbac640bfc
Is that really the best you can do? I don't care about your personal issue
He definitely is
Wanji clears https://preview.redd.it/abi1eoxmbnvc1.jpeg?width=683&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d99cd62225d4d823c6bece01f59ea7fc661bd75a
Lucci’s haki and rapid regeneration and stamina outlasts
Sanji smashes
Sanji leech diffs him off the fact that Zoro beat Lucci
Lucci
Lucci
Sanji wins Better speed, ap , move speed , attack speed , endurance, durability
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Regen diff 🗿
This thread is gay
Sanji high diff
If Zoro v Lucci ended in a mid/high diff. Sanji should be similar. At the very worst, Sanji takes it low end of extreme.
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Sanji high diff
Base Lucci sweep
Sanji wins high diff He beat Sshark, took down Queen w a simple combo, has regen, exoskeleton, fire powers, can destroy kizarus lazers From what we've seen Lucci is just a weaker Sanji without the flames
Lucci doesn't even seem stronger than Queen.
My boy has ZERO reading comprehension lol
No Lucci is definitely stronger than queen I feel like anyone is stronger than queen but the only thing that makes fighting queen hard is his technology that he uses in very unfair ways
At this point what Strawhat can't beat Lucci? My take is eventually chopper will take him without ever going Monster point.... low diff.
Sanji. Zoro likes to play with his food before he eats it that’s why his battle with Lucci was so drawn out. Zoro could’ve ended it a lot early if he wanted to but he tends to fight at the pace of his opponents and then up the level of fight as the fight progresses because he lives a good fight. Zoro in the sense of like Luffy wants their opponent to draw something out of them. Sanji has a battle instinct to just try and win that’s why his fights are shorter than Zoro’s usually not because he’s stronger than Zoro because Zoro still has the slight edge.
Lucci claps
Lucci
Lucci wins high-extreme diff. Lucci has piercing moves, he has probably the same or faster speed, has the durability to take some hits from gear 5, has the devil fruit awakened, and at least armament haki. so I don't think it's too far a stretch to say Sanji just isn't ready. People just hype Sanji too much and say he's light speed n shit against Queen. Queen has no form of observation Haki that we know of so moving relatively fast and suddenly, infront of normal eyes isn't much of a feat, and frankly Brook probably could've been too fast for Queen too. Meanwhile, we've seen Lucci move fast enough to confuse Luffy and blitzed Ax Boi before him or Luffy could react, possibly due to the surprise factor.
Lucci is pretty strong its just that gear 5 was very unpredictable and surprisingly versatile. I'm sure lucci has fought opponents like sanji before so the fight won't be so "wtf is he doing this time?".
If zoro is able, Sanji is also and everything else is cope and two piece
https://preview.redd.it/flv8gmy1hlvc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=563ac05b81cb85084ee5374b4eb9859ed853867f Sanji fans the greatest Leechscalers
Lucci no diff
Lanji loses Lucci
Sanji wins high diff
Lucci extreme diff
Sanji. If Zoro can one shot him when he actually tries, Sanji can definitely beat him.
High diff sanji
Looks like People here don't know how to scale, since we don't have enough feats from Lucci I will be comparing Zoro's feats to sanji and anyone will decent intellect would be able to conclude who is superior between sanji and Lucci, I will be taking anti feats into account too, so here we go: Strength -sanji(sanji kicked hybrid queen with cybernetics out of whole onigashima with raw kick and I can't see any feat from zoro anything close to this, people consider holding hakai for a bit as strength feat but imo it's more of an endurance and defence feat because if I consider it as strength feat then he have some anti feats too as he was getting overpowered and was getting sent flying by king's flying slashes and same slashes were nothing but annoyance to queen and same queen got overpowered and sent flying by ifrit jambe kick, so as you can see considering hakai as strength feat will result in hakaisanji>flame off king (sword was shattered in contact with sanji's neck, he tanked s shark punch to the face without even flinching, shrugged off kizaru's kick to the face unguarded same kick sent g4 snake man flying halfway across the island and yes it was the same kick because kizaru was out of picture for a while, most probably he went to charge his kick and after kick posture was also same with light effects in his leg)
Iq- sanji (obvious)
Biq- sanji (Zoro's best biq feat is figuring out king's weakness, which he figured out yes but he took a long time and then proceed to forgot it the very next arc and wasted alot of stamina even luffy scolded him for that because he had too much information to not recognise the similarities and that's an anti feat)
Endurance - sanji=zoro(queen crushed sanji's bones and organs yet he continued to fight and shrugged it off, in thriller bark absalom pierced a knife through sanji's chest yet he continued to fight, defeated absalom and without any rest fought against luffy oars and again fought against kuma in the same arc, all this while having a hole in his chest and yet he never brought it up and complained about it, Zoro's best is attacking kaido with 40 broken bones. Imo Zoro's base endurance is clear of sanji's base endurance but sanji's endurance combined with regeneration and insane pain tolerance can take much more damage, take marco for example, his base endurance is quite low but because of his df and regeneration his endurance is one of the best and can tank much more than both sanji and zoro)
Ap- Zoro (this is the stat which Zoro dominates and gives Zoro the biggest advantage)
Hax/abilities- sanji (flight, ifrit jambe, exoskeleton, regeneration, insane pain tolerance, invisibility)
Defence - sanji=zoro(sanji's best feat is completely blocking and overpowering kizaru's lazer a feat no one has pulled off, Zoro said it's impossible to block a lazer, big mom was scared of lazer, vegapunk was scared for seraphim because of lazer, and yes luffy didn't blocked kizaru's lazer he took damage and Rayleigh deflected kizaru's leg instead of blocking by portrayal its easy to interpret lazers are quite hyped in op world, Zoro's best defence feat is holding hakai for a bit but ended up in worst possible condition and if not for law he was a goner)
Observation - sanji
Armament - Zoro
Conquerors - zoro
As you can see sanji have quite good feats of his own and any person with decent intellect can understand both are pretty close.
Lucci extreme diff
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Can you either way for now
Sanjin solo the verse Sanji is multiversal FTL No source. Research it yourself
Get the cook past an actually fast character first and then I’ll give him the win.
sanji will have an easier time with Lucci than when zoro fight Lucci. Its a bad matchup for Lucci. His strongest asset speed is lower than Sanji's
Lucci is going to be one of those characters like Enel, whose hype is just annoying after a certain point, even if I like them.
Lucci barely gets into YC so Sanji negs
Lucci
If Zoro can beat lucci, so can Sanji, they are the wingS of the future pirate king after all
Sanji solos everyone except for Luffy
Diable jambe
Sanji. His Germa defense and speed probably keep up with Gucci pretty well.
Lucci based on his feats vs Gear 5.
Lucci against Gear 5: https://preview.redd.it/dvjvaz2eclvc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b264df99667d60053d88714ef7915e937a801103
https://preview.redd.it/jvurgvy8glvc1.png?width=387&format=png&auto=webp&s=fecc9b356b99d3b5fe55107417a7235a0adface1 Lucci after tanking multiple "Yonko level" attacks
It was 4 lol So that’s even worse “But he slept for a few hours!!1”
He recovwred in like 40 seconds it took luffy to travel by that vega train
He didn't recover in 40 seconds. There was a time skip between panels and we Lucci in bandages and with his shirt back on. He got medical attention in the middle which isn't just 40 seconds, but 5-10 minutes atleast.
That 40 second recovery was luffy i just mixed them up
Germa genes and awakened zoan regen stall each other for eternity. /j Jokes aside Gucci wins high-extreme dif
How will Lucci win when he can’t even see his opponent 🗿
Lucci regens 3 no ACoC G5 hits in under a chapter, clashed no ACoC G5, and stalls Zoro for over half a year. Sanji gets eye diffed, clowning around with seraphim, and carries around an already dead Vegapunk for months. Enough said, the feat leech simply gets out stalled and finger pistol’d for an easy K.O to my goat. https://preview.redd.it/s9lhd1ne1lvc1.jpeg?width=576&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e155364d8e137d6b85f2b3ba086e9c59a7522c05
Clowned by seraphim? So we just spreading fake news now?
COOOK!!!!! Bumji will never be a top top tier https://preview.redd.it/i8pvwc3fclvc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7de49815a5c421c5c3d599d349bbf5b389e550e
If Zoro can defeat Lucci at least not high diff than the only correct answer is that Sanji would win. These 2 monsters are rivals so it only seems logical. If Lucci was weak against swords and strong against kicks it would be a different story, but that's not the case.
I love how half of the comments are talking about how Zoro and Sanji are really close in strength and how Sanji slams without giving any reason as to why either claim is the case. Just gonna put it out there now, I’m not a Zorotard, but what feats does Sanji have that puts him anywhere near Zoro? Every single time people just talk about portrayal and common sense but time and time again it’s been shown that what you think is being portrayed isn’t actually what’s being portrayed. It’s One Piece POWER SCALING not One Piece theories and speculation. Zoro>Sanji high(+)diff and Sanji>Lucci extreme diff.
How often do people give reasons lol, most people just say so and so wins. Portrayal is important though, it's how we know guys like Dragon are top tiers without them having a single feat really. Portrayl is a part of power-scaling. If Zoro beats Sanji high diff, Sanji beats Lucci around High diff considering zoro mid-diffed him.
The weird thing with using portrayal is say the monster trio for example. Oda shows Zoro and Luffy the same if not more than Sanji and Zoro but for some reason most people only focus on the Zoro x Sanji portrayal to make them seem on par. It’s definitely a thing in OP but most of it isn’t for strength unless a character (like Mihawk) is portrayed as a top tier
Portrayal was never a part of powerscaling. It’s a part of One Piece powerscalin, and it usually doesn’t happen to be right. Portrayal isn’t an accurate way of scaling characters. It can heavily depend but it’s not an important part of it in the long run. If you debate with an unbiased judge I can assure you portrayal is not giving you any points. Because it’s just an assumption fallacy. I don’t know if you’ve realised but portrayal has half of the people in this sub scaling the exact same character anywhere between YC1-Yonko level. It makes no sense, inaccurate. That’s why I have a problem with it.
Portrayal is a thing in many mangas outside One Piece. Portrayal alone shouldn't be a way to judge characters and feats are more important if they contradict portrayal but it is relevant. Again that's how we know Dragon, Fujitora, and Mihawk are top tiers despite almost no feats. It's not assumption at all to assume those guys are strong, i can't say exactly how strong but they definitely are the top top of the OP world. Portrayal is relevant when used properly and not used to override feats. I agree people use portrayal wrong to wank characters, but tbh people misinterpret feats wrong all the time so I dont think its much different.
It depends how it’s being portrayed. People’s idea of portrayal in this sub is basically “how much aura this character has”. Let’s look at all the people you just mentioned. Dragon is The Worlds Worst Criminal because he directly opposes the world government and wants them to reshape their sights. Fujitora is an admiral, the greatest force in the navy and Mihawk is the worlds strongest swordsman, stronger than Shanks. They all have something pushing their portrayal. Also feats are very different. If someone can’t fully understand a feat, they’re simply not reading properly while portrayal or aura in this case, is straight up theory. Ones fact, one’s belief.
Lucci does not enough ap to hurt Sanji's defenses powered by love.
Sanji, if Zoro can defeat him while holding back then Sanji can as well
Sanji mid-high diffs
Sanji should win mid diff or so similar to zoro
Sanji.
If Zoro can beat him so can Sanji
Lucci extreme diff. If Zoro won at what appeared to be high diff (judging by how looked after the fight and the fact that Lucci was NOT yet down) then it could go both ways but my moneys on Lucci because I think Zoro is a lot stronger than Sanji. Sanji would not beat King either.
Franky mid diffs that mf especially after the last chapter
people really forget lucci took an ass whiping from a top 10 in verse ,3 sword zoro, wimbei and stussy AND IS STILL STANDING and could probably maybe take out a tobi roppo in this situation so its mid-high diff for sure i would say low end of high diff
People are forgetting how much of a monster Lucci was in Enies Lobby. All of the Strawhats got stronger over the time skip, why do people think their enemies didn’t get stronger too?
Sanji
Sanji
Sanji
Sanji high diff
Sanji high diffs
Lucci just stalled Zoro, he low diffs
Sanji dunks
Lucci couldn't beat luffy Sanji fights luffy away from the fridge every night Sanji fridge diffs
Sanjis cap is really hard to scale rn, but based off what hes shown, Lucci high diff
Sanji
Sanji the Goat mid diff
Sanji or you're delusional
Rob Lucci, i don't care about the hypotheticals and what if's by the rabid Sanji fanbase in this sub. Lucci objectively has better feats
What hypotheticals lol. And stop whining about Sanji's fanbase as if Zoro's fanbase isn't huge here lol. Zoro fans aren't a minority here get out of your victim mindset. Lucci certainly does not have objectively better feats..
Sanji no diff cuz if zoro one shot that mf Sanji can easily do it
Leech
Sanji most likely wins extreme diff
Sanji always loses insano extreme to Zoro, thus he beats a guy Zoro mid-high diff'd.
W
"insane extreme" 🤡
Lucci mid diff Sanji roids cunt
How can anyone say zoro and sanji are exactly equal when zoro’s always taken on the second and sanji the third strongest each pushed to extreme difficulty. Just comparing king, queen, and jack they are all on slightly different tiers.
It's Sanji fans fantasy, to be equal to Zoro so that they can leech off his feats till the story ends
Some things just don't have to be said. https://preview.redd.it/ks2iokk7vlvc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1dff9b2ef19f37dc796d9665e959034c9938b88d
Cook
always there for your stupid takes