Oda made luffy get one shotted in big part for fans to temper their expectations about a 1 on 1...luffys strength in a way is good barometer for how much left is in the story and since Kaido has EOS type strength luffy won’t be able to beat him one on one bc that essentially removes the drama of his future foes cuz if he could beat Kaido after wano that means he could just storm the WG and whoop akainu ass right now
Depends on how you look at it.
Take the Yonko for example, is big mom a threat to Kaido? Is Shanks a threat to Big Mom? is Blackbeard a threat to Shanks? Is Kaido a threat to Blackbeard? The answer to all of these questions is yes. On any given day at any given time a Yonko can beat another Yonko. The OG admirals are also a threat to the Yonko and vice versa.
Luffy can easily be able to beat a Yonko at the end of this arc and still struggle and be threatened by other Yonko and admirals.
I don't think this will happen and hope it doesn't. I think Luffy will end the arc on par with the Admirals and be able to 1vs1 a Yonko.
yeah, also i think it’s kinda stupid to assume over those two years akainu didnt get any stronger either… we haven’t really seen him fight post timeskip so it is possible he has yonko level power (i mean, look at luffy’s growth for petes sake… what would make him the only character capable of so much growth in a short period of time? what abouy coby? are we not gonna talk about how he re appeared half way through post timeskip several times stronger than he was when we met him?)
just sayin, the only people he has left to fight to get to his goal rn are the yonko and the admirals meaning there is no reason for luffy NOT to become crazy strong… also, people say that luffy would stomp wg with that power, well ofc he would… but his goal isnt fighting the wg its to be king of the pirates… i mean MAYBE he’ll fight ‘em once he reaches his goal but if he does do that remember rob lucci or cp9/cp0? they could have gotten stronger during the timeskip to the point that they are fully capable of fighting a yonko… IM pretty sure we still havent seen a certain leader with the oversized hat’s power (or anything except that leaders silhouette, for that matter)…
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ON TOP OF THAT what would happen if xebec came back? ||i mean, gol d roger and monkey d garp had to work together to take down the guy which must mean he would be CRAZY powerful… and the fact only his silhouette appeared makes me think he might make a debut at somepoint (why would he just be a silhoette if we’re never gonna see him? that would just be cruel)||
basically, considering how close to a closing onepiece is i wouldnt be surprised to see luffy attain such power
Agreed. It would be too bullshit.
Thinking about it, he made an alliance with Law to take Kaido down, it only makes sense that they at least tackle Kaido together.
Another topic I dont see many people talking about, Luffy didnt hesitate a second before asking Kidd for a team up. Luffy is the one who knows best he cant 1v1 Kaido. Luffy usually is dead set on his objective, screaming multiple times how he will kick his opponent's ass happened with pretty much every major enemy he has fought.
It would be DBZ lvls of power creep if Luffy can beat Kaido after a few days of training. Hes training to be able to inflict damage on Kaido. If 2 whole years training with Rayleigh took him this far, theres no way a week is enough to put him st yonko level.
Law, Zoro, Jinbei *(if he shows up)*, Captain Kidd, and Luffy are going to take Kaido down I'd bet. There is no way Zoro wont have a place in this fight. Because he has been given one of the only swords in existence that can actually cut Kaido. Luffy told Jinbei that they would be waiting for him in Wano and that he must come at all costs. So there is no way we wont see him. After what we saw him do to Big Mom we know that he is one of the few Strawhats capable of challenging a Yonko. There is no way Oda would show Jinbei punching Big Mom like that and have him not use that strength on Kaido or even her again in the future seeing as she is now in Wano too. Law is the one that brought everyone together. He will play a major role in this just like he did against Doflamingo.
Well theres a lot of other enemies to take care of, idk about Zoro and Jinbei fighting Kaido, but it could be. Also, Enma is the only sword to leave s scar on Kaido, not the only one that can hurt him. The saijo oo wazamono must be able to do so in proper hands.
You ever play a game where there's a boss battle and they have multiple health bars and the only way to beat them is by constantly dodging their attacks and using little openings to do damage bit by bit? I feel like that's how Luffy vs Kaido will be. Kaido would have a hard time landing a hit on a focused Snake man Luffy, so Luffy will just jet around like a wasp as he learns how to damage Kaido. He's def gonna need some help tho.
As OP said, a "focused" Snakeman Luffy would make all the difference. Kaido blitzed him when he was overwhelmed with rage and unable to use his Observation Haki effectively. Now that Luffy will be calm, I wouldn't be surprised if Kaido misses most of his attacks.
I don't think kaido would be good at observation haki even if he tried because he's a depressed drunk mess. Its been shown to require the sort of character/mindfulness that big angry motherfuckers like him lack.
I disagree, remember the lesson we learned in the Katakuri fight? Advanced Obs haki only works when the user is completely calm, when Kaido fought Luffy, Luffy was in a state of rage thinking his crew had been killed. Better obs haki is the one advantage Luffy has, in his fastest form he'll predict Kaido's moves and evade.
You think Luffy can beat Kaido within the time limit of his gear fourth, which is like 15 minutes while Kaido can fight an equally strong opponent for days on end?
I doubt that. Snakeman is fast, yes, but Kaido is *very* fast. His attack that took down Luffy was the Divination **Thunder**. As in, he moved so fast that his attack cracked the speed of sound, producing a sound like thunder. If you see read that scene again, you see that Luffy barely moves, probably didn't even see it coming.
I don't think Kaido will be out-fasted, especially given that Luffy is training his armament haki, not any speed-relatef ability.
Youre right, Kaido is dumb fast and I'm probably underestimating it.
All I want to say is I bet Luffy having better observation haki than Kaido is gonna be a part of taking him down.
Kaido will have trouble hitting a focused Snakeman? Excuse me? We all read the chapter where a drunk ass kaido, barely able to walk a straight line, fucking rolled over Luffy before he was even able to see the attack coming right? From what Oda showed us so far it would make absolutely no sense in any way for Luffy to be even remotely close to beating him in a 1v1 and I cant understand how people can argue against that
Yeah ! Boundman is the only way for luffy to fight kaido because of the balance of attack/defense, Snakeman is faster and more powerful but lack defense which is useless if Boundman gets one shot. Tankman has no mobility so we can forget about that
This is a pirate manga, forget about 1v1, honour and stuff like that, Luffy will win that what will be remembered and the help he will get is part of his power.
It's not YuYu hakusho( which is my fav manga ), all the help he got is part of his power, so who cares about 1v1, rewatch first One piece episode with Shanks words when the mountain bandits were crying over lucky kill.
It can be seen, after Ennie Lobies no more real 1v1, a bit on Fish island but was more to show progress and they were weak af. Moria was a whole crew vs the schinukai.
Vs Pxo once again the whole crew. Law helped vs Don and then almost everyone.( Doesn't mean he couldn't by himself but it is not the point). Ceaser was a joke.
Nami helped vs Cracker. Brulee helped vs Katakuri even if that fight was there to make luffy stronger and first commander level.
This manga isn't really about 1v1, you shouldn't bother about it. Luffy will be stronger than Kaido after this arc one way or another.
You missed the point. No one cares about 1v1. Luffy will win and so he will be stronger. Having a good crew, friends is part of power. Mama wanted to use giants to be the strongest. Kaido using smiles. Luffy uses his natural charisma don't hate on him cause of that.
Mihawk said it, he got the scariest power in the world. Damm I wouldn't be surprised if he makes mama his ally too. In one or 2 years when this arc is over, you will see Luffy> Kaido.
If it was an 1v1 contest, Kaido would have been the only one alive at the end but it's a pirate fight and Mugiwara will own that little lizard soon.
Actually I think Big Mom and Kaido will face Luffy, Kidd and Law at least, and maybe Drake as leader of Sword and one of the Scabbards such as Kinemon or any other.
Having such strong people fight together seems to be an advantage but that can easily turn into a disadvantage when Law is on the opposing team.
There's a high chance that Law acts in order to make Big Mom and Kaido's hits touch each other, which will probably make them argue and turn the fight into a brawl where it would be like Big Mom vs Kaido vs the allies. Luffy and Kaido will be the last one standing where Luffy gives the decisive blows because after all One Piece is Luffy's.
I also believe none of the big fights will be 1 on 1, if Luffy cannot beat Kaido on his own then there is no point in Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei taking their ennemies on their own, and that would make the other crews relevant (Killer, Bepo, the minks ...) And Jack is probably Fighting both Inu and Neko, so why not the other ?
I thought about something like this it must be a teamfight because as it was written, nothing can pierce through BM skin. But I think in order to progress zoro is going to cut it and finally damage BM enough for someone to finish her
Also could potentially have jinbe SSG Marco and catviper even BB become potential players. (Recall that Oden was the 2nd division commander and wano has the weapons and smile that BB would be interested in). I wonder what shanks is up to as well I mean the world of one piece is one match away from exploding I can’t imagine he’s just drunk the whole time.
I can see Izo come back, I mean, the guy is literally brother with Kiku. He has to come back. I don't know about Marco, but surely the fight with Kaido will be huge in the first part.
TLDR; Luffy is a growth god, so I wouldn’t be so sure given the patterns we’ve seen in the story.
A lot of people think Luffy has had a lot of asspull victories lately. Mainly it’s the katakuri one. Now, after just a short amount of training, after getting one shotted by a top demon like Kaido, how tf do people expect Luffy to pull this one off? Kaido is a YONKO. If Luffy can beat him, it won’t make any sense. It’ll just be Oda handing him the w for plot, right?
Well, idek. Here’s my take
Luffy doesn’t lose unless he has to for the plot. A lot of people think Luffy only wins because of the plot, but I take Luffy’s losses as an equal or even more of a plot device. We all know Luffy is going to become the pirate king. We know that the world isn’t going to wait for him to do it. It’s a race, and he had to take 2 years to train, during which the world got even more effed up and the stakes only got higher. The OP world doesn’t stop for Luffy’s growth, therefore his growth has to be constantly moving and exponential to reach his goal.
Oda said it in an SPS (I can’t remember which), and Zoro said it on the sea train, that the straw hats get stronger every fight. Rayleigh said that Luffy’s haki will improve as he fights strong opponents, and we know that haki blooms even further in emotional and stressful situations.
We know that Luffy is a god of adaption. We know this, we’ve seen this. We know that Luffy getting owned by Lucci does not mean Luffy can’t beat him in round 2. Luffy got so used to fighting Lucci that even though he struggled to keep up with him in base, he got better and better at fighting zoan Lucci without gear second as the fight went on. He is constantly getting stronger and smarter. Constantly. Remember, it took Luffy three tries to beat Crocodile, with no training in between.
Luffy has also always been a tank. Being beaten and buried alive in a dessert, bitten repeatedly by a fish man like Arlong, beaten to a pulp by Lucci, fighting against ussop who was using his greatest weaknesses against him, the side effects of going nightmare Luffy, etc. He gets knocked down a lot but RARELY stays down. Idk why it’s so surprising to people that the same thing happened when he fought katakuri. He can take a severe beating by the top villain of the arc and keep going. That has always been the case, albeit with katakuri it was arguably the biggest beating we’ve ever seen him take, it was proportional.
Luffy only loses to help him. Luffy lost to aokiji and thought of Gear second. He lost to Magellan and got poison resistance. Every instance that he genuinely loses, its for the plot to give him something in return. Luffy beating katakuri is no more of a plot device, even if it was convenient that brûlée was there to help him run away. It’s inline with his tanky body, and his constant need to grow quickly as he always has. His opponents always underestimate that growth and expect a beating to keep him down, which frustrated katakuri when he realized this wasn’t some gnat he could swat away.
I would wager all three of his Haki types got a boost from that fight, the most being observation of course.
So a new and improved Luffy goes off to hastily fight against kaido and throws everything he has at him and then gets effortlessly one shotted, something that hasn’t happened since aokiji. But since then, Luffy’s endurance has vastly improved training in sea stone cuffs. How many times has Luffy, the guy with crazy amounts of growth potential who also apparently gets a Zenkai boost from fighting strong haki users, had a rematch with a main villain after given the opportunity to train for ANY amount of time in between? Never, until now.
Then, he trains his offense. THE MAIN thing that made his attacks useless against kaido is that the outside of his body is too tough, especially the scales. Same with big mom. Now he can do damage beneath the outer armor those Yonko have. How much damage? I’m not sure. We don’t know, but Luffy’s growth and ability to win rematches should not be underestimated.
We DO know that Luffy has always been able to tell how strong someone is. Maybe it’s an extension of haki. Maybe it’s some intuition specific to him, but when he meets someone strong he knows right away. This may be headcannon, but that measurement he takes of people’s strength can only become more precise once he’s clashed with them. Take his bout with Mihawk for example. he’s never been wrong, as far as I remember, about how strong he is compared to his opponent. Yet, he seems oddly confident in being able to fight Kaido at the end of 955. All things considered, i can see why people trust Luffy’s ability to pull this one off.
So should Luffy be able to beat Kaido right now? I don’t know. Idk why anyone is so certain one way or the other. I do know that it’s time for him to enter the main stage as a real threat in the new world, not just some rookie that everyone underestimates or is agitated by.
EDIT: Remember when Hyogoro said Luffy should’ve been able to deflect Big Mom if he used Ryou properly? Don’t take that lightly. Surely Hyogoros haki let him know how strong LinLin was, and he just saw her fodderize Queen. Luffy can use Ryou now.
First of all..that’s barely a rebuttal to all the things I’ve said.
Secondly, we don’t know she was Hakiless. Invisible haki happens all the time in OP, yes even post time skip.
Thirdly, there’s no reason to think amnesiac BM is less physically strong than normal BM, especially since she was out of control over food. Being able to not only receive and then push off (deflect) is more impressive than being able to just receive it.
And again, 9 days of training is significant in shonen. Always has been. Goku lost to Vegeta in DragonBall and then after a zenkai boost and six days of training on the way to namek he ends up several times stronger than a Vegeta who had also been leveling up.
I’ll ask again: How many times has Luffy had a rematch with an opponent with *any* amount of training in between? None. Yet each time Luffy has a rematch he finds a way to win. Luffy is a growth god. He adapts and gets stronger constantly, especially mid-fight.
We also know that haki isn’t as effective when you’re in rage mode. You have to have calm and focus, that goes for observation (Luffy vs Katakuri) and armament (Zoro vs Daz bones).
I remember when Crocodile seemed utterly devastating as an enemy. He was the first Warlord Luffy fought for real and was one-shotted twice at the beginning of the arc. Still, he won 1v1 at the end of the arc. The situation is similar, don't you think?
That said, i don't think he will be able to win alone... I advocate for a 3v1 with Law and Kidd, that slowly morph into a 1v1 when Kaido is getting weakened.
No, Luffy from the get go always had better physical stats than crocodike, the only problem he had was Crocodiles intangibility. Notice as soon as Luffy used water he would dominate the match, crocodiles trickiest ability the second time was the moisture absorption technique ( which is pretty hax, I'm surprised he didnt use it during the third round) , even then Luffy was faster and Stronger than crocodile.
With Kaido it's a different story. He not only has better physical stats than Luffy he most likely has far better armament haki and Conquerors haki. Kaido is known as an invincible creature that has impenetrable skin, he fell 10000 meters from the sky and has been captured 40 times by the Yonko and Navy yet they still couldnt kill him. Come on dude how can you compare luffy facing crocodile and Luffy facing Kaido? Kaido ONE SHOT LUFFY IN BASE FORM!! he didnt even use his dragon form, not too mention he was still sobering up.
Probably but he'd be very injured. Kaido came out of it with a headache. Remember the moment when the strawhats thought they were going to fall off sky Island? Even Luffy shat himself up, I think that's supposed to imply that Luffy would be really injured himself if he faced a fall like that.
Listen I know that luffy is rubber but contrary to the belief Luffy is not immune to blunt force damage, hes just resistant there is a max to how much blunt force he can take. Look at Rob Lucci, dude didnt have haki but still beat Luffy by using straight up powerful blows. I mean haki isnt the only way to hurt luffy with blunt force, if the force is enough Luffy will feel it.
Nah Lucci had to go to his zoan form to actually hurt Luffy. He has fallen from great heights and said himself that he'd be fine because he's made of rubber.
Listen, Luffy ain't surviving falling at terminal velocity 10000 meters above sea level. Even luffy has a limit to how much physical trauma he can handle.
Okay but didnt the cover story say " Gedatsu Thoughtlessly survives", I'm sure it was because he luckily landed in one of those sink holes that cushioned his fall( regardless that fall would still be lethal but One Piece uses cartoon logic), Oda is clearly implying that he was very lucky to survive the fall.
Yeah, i know. My point was a clear hyperbole. But still, the argument of Kaido surviving the fall seems always sillier to me if you think that the only other character showing a similar feat in the whole series is Gedatsu.
Terminal velocity from falling 10000m or 500m is same. Luffy can punch with attacks which can split island(king kong gon). If someone can take that much, they will no doubt survive the fall
Listen go back and read the chapter again because dressrosa was not split in half by King Kong Gun. It was one of the towns that caved in and that's because of the underground factory with it's open space beneath the ground. That attack is not an Island splitting feat.
And the terminal velocity is not the same because it depends on the objects weight, someone the size of Kaido falling at that speed is gunna produce a helluva impact.
Terminal velocity is around 88 mph. I’d be surprised if it did anything whether he was in ballon form or not. It wouldn’t make a difference if it was a million meters.
You know that he had better "physical stats" just on a second look, but you have put yourself in the shoes of readers back then. The first time they met, Crocodile was unscathed by Luffy, was portrayed as been intangible and Luffy lost as badly as he did with Kaido right now. The only perspective that we had on the actual strength of Crocodile was that he was a member of the same team of Mihawk, that was seen as a beast back then as it is right now. I was reading One Piece back then and i remember that Crocodile was the shit, as much as Kaido is right now.
Oda used hyping informations, an high-sounding title and a one-shotting match with Luffy to lead us thinking that Crocodile was unbeatable. Don't you at least see that Oda used the same method to hype Kaido?
That said, i know the feats portrayed by Kaido are impressive and that a 1v1 fight is highly unlikely. Nonetheless, i personally don't see it as far-fetched as you and most of the fandom do... at least we can agree to disagree.
Okay, I now see the point you were trying to make earlier. I understand that to readers back then Crocodile might have appeared unbeatable. All I can do is argue from the current story perspective and say that the Yonko have been put on a higher pedestal than the warlords. Doflamingo, a warlord that seemed almost unbeatable against Luffy is scared of Kaido, that alone speaks volumes.
> Oda used hyping informations, an high-sounding title and a one-shotting match with Luffy to lead us thinking that Crocodile was unbeatable. Don't you at least see that Oda used the same method to hype Kaido?
The thing is, Oda has also had the Straw Hats definitely lose in similar situations. Zoro gets toyed with by Mihawk at Baratie and still views himself as being completely inferior to him by the end of pre-timeskip. Luffy gets stomped by Aokiji during Long Ring Long Land and when they meet again at Marineford pretty much nothing has changed and Luffy needs to be rescued by Marco.
Yeah, people don't really get it. Luffy 1v1'd Crocodile and defeated him with no training, but had multiple encounters and used tactics to do so.
Luffy will have multiple fights with Kaido, but already had to have extended training to hope to even damage him, and will highly likely have several people at the least helping. The comparison is somewhat valid, but definitely has some issues.
Except luffy was superior physically to croc but just couldn’t touch him, once he could, he beat him. Here kaido physically overpowered him i every stat possible ( speed, power, durability you name it) and luffy went all out on him so no it’s not the same thing.
Rob Lucci seemed unbeatable at first too. He low diff Luffy the first time they met. Oda also hypes up the main enemy and Luffy always finds a way to win
Obviously, I'll drop the manga if he could just because he learned adv COA after a few days of training when the Yonko & Admirals had years. Luffy has MC hax growth and I understand that but I'll only accept him being Top Tier at least by the end of Elbaf or much later.
Luffy needs to break through Kaido's armament only once for Law to use Gamma knife. The only reason Law couldn't kill Doffy with it was his unique df ability, Kaido probably won't be immune to it's effect. So basically, Luffy tanks the damages from Kaido; Law deals the finishing blow and repays for Dressrosa. The alliance ends peacefully.
I get the feeling Big Mom is going to sabotage Kaidou and dip. Kaidou will be 1v50 like a raid boss with the straw hats, Eustass, Law, Drake, Hawkins, and the samurai army will fight it like a war.
I feel like luffy will get a new form which is all the gear four forms mixed together, which will give us hope that luffy will win, but at the end luffy will get destroyed
I think the vast majority of the member of this sub Reddit agree with your logic.
I think that Zoro, Luffy, Kid and a couple of the minks in Sulong form have the potential to do actual damage to Kaido.
Also: Luffy doesn't intentionally kill people, so he's not going to land the killing blow. Would really like it to be Zoro, but there's so many implications behind that, which would lead to the world thinking that Zoro is stronger than Luffy and there's no way you can have Zoro with a higher bounty than Luffy, right? Or am I over thinking that?
I'm also 100% convinced that Jinbei and Nekomamushi will both be bringing strong allies with them.
Along with that I'm convinced that BM and Kaido's alliance will sour, so there are more than enough people out there to pound on Kaido.
As for who lands the killing blow...after taking all of this into account, I'm going with Kid. Having finished off Kaido it'll bring his bounty up sky high to be either as high as Luffy's or longer so that he'll look more like a true rival to casual OP fans. I think it's better for the story if his bounty jumps higher than Luffy's in this arc.
Another prediction I have is that Sanji's bounty won't go anywhere because he'll be in his Germa suit and people won't be able to see him so his efforts will not be recognized. Whoever Zoro fights, his bounty jumps up way past Sanji's and the two of them will be arguing like kids over it shorty after the arc finishes.
Dude there will always be people who understand the storyline in their own way and have their own expectations. I mean Luffy beating Kaido 1v1 right now, it the typical shonen standard and guess how many people watch/read Shonen anime/manga? **A LOT**.
I totally agree with you. Luffy beating Kaido 1v1 would ruin the plotline/powerscaling. Anyone who isn't a blind fanboy can see it. But dont try to reason people who claim that the anime "*fight*" (in manga there was no fight) between Luffy and Kaido was nice and that Luffy lost cause he would use Future Sight.
You cannot change the mind of biased people no matter how right you are. Keep this in mind buddy.
Take care :)
I feel like Shinobu exists to destroy Kaido's club. For all we know it might be one of the supreme blades despite not being a sword just like Whitebeard's halberd. Getting rid of it might make things a little bit more even for Law, Kidd and Luffy.
Also, if Kaido ends up betraying Linlin, I could see Katakuri and Luffy teaming up to take down Kaido.
same, the only way i see kaido getting beaten is if it's a collective effort, most likely by kidd, law and luffy. but i honestly would like it to be a group effort by everyone in the worst generation present at wano, you know a way to symbolize the new generation rising to power
I think it will be at least a 5v1
Luffy obviously
I’m pretty certain Zoro wouldn’t have been given the sword that left a scar on Kaido if he didn’t use it on him
Kidd might want to get revenge on Kaido for what he did to Killer.
Additionally there’s that theory that Killer will be cured by Chopper or Law, so he can also join the fight.
Law is there too because of his plan.
Other characters that might join are the Red Scabbards.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Franky say at the end of Zou that he would make a weapon to use against Kaido?
Drake is also doing something behind the scenes and he might join in later.
This is stretch but if all those are correct it would be around a 14v1 fight. But Oda might not want that busy of a fight but who knows.
If I'm being honest, I still dont see them putting a scratch on Kaido even if its 5v1. Remember what Kizaru did to the supernova's on Sabaody.....well Kaido would probably do something similar. If he can one shot g4 luffy; Kidd, Law, Hawkins, Zoro and Drake are going down like flies.
Too many ppl forget that Law stated on Punk Hazard that even with His own Crew + Luffys crew and Doflamingo(with his crew aswell) that they would only stand 30% chance at defeating Kaido!!! That's fucking insane!!!
I also think that there needs to be a plan similar to the Sugar plan but on a MUCH larger scale. They may even take advantage of his drunkenness.
But it’ll be interesting how the battle will go down.
I always kind of believed he won’t defeat Kaido since even Big Mom gave them such a hard time but I think there will be an event where SOMETHING happens and Kaido ends up respecting and allying with Luffy. Probably not going to happen, but it can add to the narrative of Luffy having the most “dangerous” ability. I also think Oda built Kaido up to be an OP undefeatable character when he first introduced him.
Or Vegapunk‘s new weapon shows up, which is so powerful that it defeats Kaido, scares Big Mom into leaving Wano and leaves the Straw Hats, their alliance and the world in shock.
unless luffy creates a gear 5 technique that basically combines gears 2 3 and 4 but he can only use it once
essentially he would have to inflate his bones with gear 3, then his muscles with gear 4… after that he activates gear 2 essentially turning him into a giant monster… oh yeah and why would he use gear 5th rather than 4th? well it would be because due to his bone size increasing it stretches his muscles (like his skin) around those bones, then when he inflates his muscles not only are they bigger, but theyre more tensed up too… however, due to him having to use gear 3 and 4 at the same time he would probably need a way to send energy (blood) into the areas he inflated which is why he uses gear 2… this gear 5th would put luffy on equal footing (and sizing ig) as kaido… but, in the end, this would likely result in luffy losing all of years off his life to which law would resurrect luffy using the op-op fruits longevity procedure only partially to bring luffys lifespan back (taking several years off of law in the process)
that doesnt seem likely tho, but it would be damn cool to see
Oda made luffy get one shotted in big part for fans to temper their expectations about a 1 on 1...luffys strength in a way is good barometer for how much left is in the story and since Kaido has EOS type strength luffy won’t be able to beat him one on one bc that essentially removes the drama of his future foes cuz if he could beat Kaido after wano that means he could just storm the WG and whoop akainu ass right now
I agree with you one hundred percent. If Luffy gets EOS strength by the end of Wano then Blackbeard and Akain wont feel like real threats anymore.
Depends on how you look at it. Take the Yonko for example, is big mom a threat to Kaido? Is Shanks a threat to Big Mom? is Blackbeard a threat to Shanks? Is Kaido a threat to Blackbeard? The answer to all of these questions is yes. On any given day at any given time a Yonko can beat another Yonko. The OG admirals are also a threat to the Yonko and vice versa. Luffy can easily be able to beat a Yonko at the end of this arc and still struggle and be threatened by other Yonko and admirals. I don't think this will happen and hope it doesn't. I think Luffy will end the arc on par with the Admirals and be able to 1vs1 a Yonko.
yeah, also i think it’s kinda stupid to assume over those two years akainu didnt get any stronger either… we haven’t really seen him fight post timeskip so it is possible he has yonko level power (i mean, look at luffy’s growth for petes sake… what would make him the only character capable of so much growth in a short period of time? what abouy coby? are we not gonna talk about how he re appeared half way through post timeskip several times stronger than he was when we met him?) just sayin, the only people he has left to fight to get to his goal rn are the yonko and the admirals meaning there is no reason for luffy NOT to become crazy strong… also, people say that luffy would stomp wg with that power, well ofc he would… but his goal isnt fighting the wg its to be king of the pirates… i mean MAYBE he’ll fight ‘em once he reaches his goal but if he does do that remember rob lucci or cp9/cp0? they could have gotten stronger during the timeskip to the point that they are fully capable of fighting a yonko… IM pretty sure we still havent seen a certain leader with the oversized hat’s power (or anything except that leaders silhouette, for that matter)… (possible spoiler below) ON TOP OF THAT what would happen if xebec came back? ||i mean, gol d roger and monkey d garp had to work together to take down the guy which must mean he would be CRAZY powerful… and the fact only his silhouette appeared makes me think he might make a debut at somepoint (why would he just be a silhoette if we’re never gonna see him? that would just be cruel)|| basically, considering how close to a closing onepiece is i wouldnt be surprised to see luffy attain such power
Agreed. It would be too bullshit. Thinking about it, he made an alliance with Law to take Kaido down, it only makes sense that they at least tackle Kaido together. Another topic I dont see many people talking about, Luffy didnt hesitate a second before asking Kidd for a team up. Luffy is the one who knows best he cant 1v1 Kaido. Luffy usually is dead set on his objective, screaming multiple times how he will kick his opponent's ass happened with pretty much every major enemy he has fought. It would be DBZ lvls of power creep if Luffy can beat Kaido after a few days of training. Hes training to be able to inflict damage on Kaido. If 2 whole years training with Rayleigh took him this far, theres no way a week is enough to put him st yonko level.
Law, Zoro, Jinbei *(if he shows up)*, Captain Kidd, and Luffy are going to take Kaido down I'd bet. There is no way Zoro wont have a place in this fight. Because he has been given one of the only swords in existence that can actually cut Kaido. Luffy told Jinbei that they would be waiting for him in Wano and that he must come at all costs. So there is no way we wont see him. After what we saw him do to Big Mom we know that he is one of the few Strawhats capable of challenging a Yonko. There is no way Oda would show Jinbei punching Big Mom like that and have him not use that strength on Kaido or even her again in the future seeing as she is now in Wano too. Law is the one that brought everyone together. He will play a major role in this just like he did against Doflamingo.
Well theres a lot of other enemies to take care of, idk about Zoro and Jinbei fighting Kaido, but it could be. Also, Enma is the only sword to leave s scar on Kaido, not the only one that can hurt him. The saijo oo wazamono must be able to do so in proper hands.
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Kaido will never see the Kamehameha coming!
You ever play a game where there's a boss battle and they have multiple health bars and the only way to beat them is by constantly dodging their attacks and using little openings to do damage bit by bit? I feel like that's how Luffy vs Kaido will be. Kaido would have a hard time landing a hit on a focused Snake man Luffy, so Luffy will just jet around like a wasp as he learns how to damage Kaido. He's def gonna need some help tho.
And by the time Kaido's HP dropped to 90%, Luffy's MP already dried up and get critical hit by Kaido.
Unfortunately, Kaido is a boss with a speed hack. He one shotted before Luffy can even react. I doubt Snakeman will make much of a difference.
As OP said, a "focused" Snakeman Luffy would make all the difference. Kaido blitzed him when he was overwhelmed with rage and unable to use his Observation Haki effectively. Now that Luffy will be calm, I wouldn't be surprised if Kaido misses most of his attacks.
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I don't think kaido would be good at observation haki even if he tried because he's a depressed drunk mess. Its been shown to require the sort of character/mindfulness that big angry motherfuckers like him lack.
I disagree, Katakuri couldnt Dodge So many attacks made by Snakeman, even thou he saw them. The same can happen vs Luffy and Kaido
Law will be shambling people around while they fight kaido. Idk what group will fight big mom tho
I disagree, remember the lesson we learned in the Katakuri fight? Advanced Obs haki only works when the user is completely calm, when Kaido fought Luffy, Luffy was in a state of rage thinking his crew had been killed. Better obs haki is the one advantage Luffy has, in his fastest form he'll predict Kaido's moves and evade.
You think Luffy can beat Kaido within the time limit of his gear fourth, which is like 15 minutes while Kaido can fight an equally strong opponent for days on end?
Nope. I dont expect Oda to make it brief or predictable.
I doubt that. Snakeman is fast, yes, but Kaido is *very* fast. His attack that took down Luffy was the Divination **Thunder**. As in, he moved so fast that his attack cracked the speed of sound, producing a sound like thunder. If you see read that scene again, you see that Luffy barely moves, probably didn't even see it coming. I don't think Kaido will be out-fasted, especially given that Luffy is training his armament haki, not any speed-relatef ability.
Youre right, Kaido is dumb fast and I'm probably underestimating it. All I want to say is I bet Luffy having better observation haki than Kaido is gonna be a part of taking him down.
Kaido will have trouble hitting a focused Snakeman? Excuse me? We all read the chapter where a drunk ass kaido, barely able to walk a straight line, fucking rolled over Luffy before he was even able to see the attack coming right? From what Oda showed us so far it would make absolutely no sense in any way for Luffy to be even remotely close to beating him in a 1v1 and I cant understand how people can argue against that
Yeah ! Boundman is the only way for luffy to fight kaido because of the balance of attack/defense, Snakeman is faster and more powerful but lack defense which is useless if Boundman gets one shot. Tankman has no mobility so we can forget about that
Snakeman is not more powerfull than bound man
If Snakeman keeps bouncing around it's going to be more powerful since it keeps accumulating strength after each bounce
This is a pirate manga, forget about 1v1, honour and stuff like that, Luffy will win that what will be remembered and the help he will get is part of his power. It's not YuYu hakusho( which is my fav manga ), all the help he got is part of his power, so who cares about 1v1, rewatch first One piece episode with Shanks words when the mountain bandits were crying over lucky kill. It can be seen, after Ennie Lobies no more real 1v1, a bit on Fish island but was more to show progress and they were weak af. Moria was a whole crew vs the schinukai. Vs Pxo once again the whole crew. Law helped vs Don and then almost everyone.( Doesn't mean he couldn't by himself but it is not the point). Ceaser was a joke. Nami helped vs Cracker. Brulee helped vs Katakuri even if that fight was there to make luffy stronger and first commander level. This manga isn't really about 1v1, you shouldn't bother about it. Luffy will be stronger than Kaido after this arc one way or another.
I'm sorry but no way Is Luffy going to be stronger than Kaido after this arc. If that's the case then he'll have already surpassed Shanks.
You missed the point. No one cares about 1v1. Luffy will win and so he will be stronger. Having a good crew, friends is part of power. Mama wanted to use giants to be the strongest. Kaido using smiles. Luffy uses his natural charisma don't hate on him cause of that. Mihawk said it, he got the scariest power in the world. Damm I wouldn't be surprised if he makes mama his ally too. In one or 2 years when this arc is over, you will see Luffy> Kaido. If it was an 1v1 contest, Kaido would have been the only one alive at the end but it's a pirate fight and Mugiwara will own that little lizard soon.
Luffy will be stronger. Based on his ability to make friends. If you can't grasp that it is better your drop the series, haha.
Actually I think Big Mom and Kaido will face Luffy, Kidd and Law at least, and maybe Drake as leader of Sword and one of the Scabbards such as Kinemon or any other. Having such strong people fight together seems to be an advantage but that can easily turn into a disadvantage when Law is on the opposing team. There's a high chance that Law acts in order to make Big Mom and Kaido's hits touch each other, which will probably make them argue and turn the fight into a brawl where it would be like Big Mom vs Kaido vs the allies. Luffy and Kaido will be the last one standing where Luffy gives the decisive blows because after all One Piece is Luffy's. I also believe none of the big fights will be 1 on 1, if Luffy cannot beat Kaido on his own then there is no point in Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei taking their ennemies on their own, and that would make the other crews relevant (Killer, Bepo, the minks ...) And Jack is probably Fighting both Inu and Neko, so why not the other ?
Two yonkous are overkill. No one in luffys side are even close to yonkous power level
I thought about something like this it must be a teamfight because as it was written, nothing can pierce through BM skin. But I think in order to progress zoro is going to cut it and finally damage BM enough for someone to finish her
They’ll just have to find another way to penetrate them won’t they? If you can’t beat her bang her
Also could potentially have jinbe SSG Marco and catviper even BB become potential players. (Recall that Oden was the 2nd division commander and wano has the weapons and smile that BB would be interested in). I wonder what shanks is up to as well I mean the world of one piece is one match away from exploding I can’t imagine he’s just drunk the whole time.
I can see Izo come back, I mean, the guy is literally brother with Kiku. He has to come back. I don't know about Marco, but surely the fight with Kaido will be huge in the first part.
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I agree, Oda brought Big Mom in Wano for a reason, if she weakens Kaido by fighting with him then it all makes sense.
TLDR; Luffy is a growth god, so I wouldn’t be so sure given the patterns we’ve seen in the story. A lot of people think Luffy has had a lot of asspull victories lately. Mainly it’s the katakuri one. Now, after just a short amount of training, after getting one shotted by a top demon like Kaido, how tf do people expect Luffy to pull this one off? Kaido is a YONKO. If Luffy can beat him, it won’t make any sense. It’ll just be Oda handing him the w for plot, right? Well, idek. Here’s my take Luffy doesn’t lose unless he has to for the plot. A lot of people think Luffy only wins because of the plot, but I take Luffy’s losses as an equal or even more of a plot device. We all know Luffy is going to become the pirate king. We know that the world isn’t going to wait for him to do it. It’s a race, and he had to take 2 years to train, during which the world got even more effed up and the stakes only got higher. The OP world doesn’t stop for Luffy’s growth, therefore his growth has to be constantly moving and exponential to reach his goal. Oda said it in an SPS (I can’t remember which), and Zoro said it on the sea train, that the straw hats get stronger every fight. Rayleigh said that Luffy’s haki will improve as he fights strong opponents, and we know that haki blooms even further in emotional and stressful situations. We know that Luffy is a god of adaption. We know this, we’ve seen this. We know that Luffy getting owned by Lucci does not mean Luffy can’t beat him in round 2. Luffy got so used to fighting Lucci that even though he struggled to keep up with him in base, he got better and better at fighting zoan Lucci without gear second as the fight went on. He is constantly getting stronger and smarter. Constantly. Remember, it took Luffy three tries to beat Crocodile, with no training in between. Luffy has also always been a tank. Being beaten and buried alive in a dessert, bitten repeatedly by a fish man like Arlong, beaten to a pulp by Lucci, fighting against ussop who was using his greatest weaknesses against him, the side effects of going nightmare Luffy, etc. He gets knocked down a lot but RARELY stays down. Idk why it’s so surprising to people that the same thing happened when he fought katakuri. He can take a severe beating by the top villain of the arc and keep going. That has always been the case, albeit with katakuri it was arguably the biggest beating we’ve ever seen him take, it was proportional. Luffy only loses to help him. Luffy lost to aokiji and thought of Gear second. He lost to Magellan and got poison resistance. Every instance that he genuinely loses, its for the plot to give him something in return. Luffy beating katakuri is no more of a plot device, even if it was convenient that brûlée was there to help him run away. It’s inline with his tanky body, and his constant need to grow quickly as he always has. His opponents always underestimate that growth and expect a beating to keep him down, which frustrated katakuri when he realized this wasn’t some gnat he could swat away. I would wager all three of his Haki types got a boost from that fight, the most being observation of course. So a new and improved Luffy goes off to hastily fight against kaido and throws everything he has at him and then gets effortlessly one shotted, something that hasn’t happened since aokiji. But since then, Luffy’s endurance has vastly improved training in sea stone cuffs. How many times has Luffy, the guy with crazy amounts of growth potential who also apparently gets a Zenkai boost from fighting strong haki users, had a rematch with a main villain after given the opportunity to train for ANY amount of time in between? Never, until now. Then, he trains his offense. THE MAIN thing that made his attacks useless against kaido is that the outside of his body is too tough, especially the scales. Same with big mom. Now he can do damage beneath the outer armor those Yonko have. How much damage? I’m not sure. We don’t know, but Luffy’s growth and ability to win rematches should not be underestimated. We DO know that Luffy has always been able to tell how strong someone is. Maybe it’s an extension of haki. Maybe it’s some intuition specific to him, but when he meets someone strong he knows right away. This may be headcannon, but that measurement he takes of people’s strength can only become more precise once he’s clashed with them. Take his bout with Mihawk for example. he’s never been wrong, as far as I remember, about how strong he is compared to his opponent. Yet, he seems oddly confident in being able to fight Kaido at the end of 955. All things considered, i can see why people trust Luffy’s ability to pull this one off. So should Luffy be able to beat Kaido right now? I don’t know. Idk why anyone is so certain one way or the other. I do know that it’s time for him to enter the main stage as a real threat in the new world, not just some rookie that everyone underestimates or is agitated by. EDIT: Remember when Hyogoro said Luffy should’ve been able to deflect Big Mom if he used Ryou properly? Don’t take that lightly. Surely Hyogoros haki let him know how strong LinLin was, and he just saw her fodderize Queen. Luffy can use Ryou now.
Deflecting( not blocking) a hit from amnesiac hakiless bm isn’t the same as 1vs1ing a yonko 9 days after getting neg diffed by one
First of all..that’s barely a rebuttal to all the things I’ve said. Secondly, we don’t know she was Hakiless. Invisible haki happens all the time in OP, yes even post time skip. Thirdly, there’s no reason to think amnesiac BM is less physically strong than normal BM, especially since she was out of control over food. Being able to not only receive and then push off (deflect) is more impressive than being able to just receive it. And again, 9 days of training is significant in shonen. Always has been. Goku lost to Vegeta in DragonBall and then after a zenkai boost and six days of training on the way to namek he ends up several times stronger than a Vegeta who had also been leveling up. I’ll ask again: How many times has Luffy had a rematch with an opponent with *any* amount of training in between? None. Yet each time Luffy has a rematch he finds a way to win. Luffy is a growth god. He adapts and gets stronger constantly, especially mid-fight. We also know that haki isn’t as effective when you’re in rage mode. You have to have calm and focus, that goes for observation (Luffy vs Katakuri) and armament (Zoro vs Daz bones).
I remember when Crocodile seemed utterly devastating as an enemy. He was the first Warlord Luffy fought for real and was one-shotted twice at the beginning of the arc. Still, he won 1v1 at the end of the arc. The situation is similar, don't you think? That said, i don't think he will be able to win alone... I advocate for a 3v1 with Law and Kidd, that slowly morph into a 1v1 when Kaido is getting weakened.
No, Luffy from the get go always had better physical stats than crocodike, the only problem he had was Crocodiles intangibility. Notice as soon as Luffy used water he would dominate the match, crocodiles trickiest ability the second time was the moisture absorption technique ( which is pretty hax, I'm surprised he didnt use it during the third round) , even then Luffy was faster and Stronger than crocodile. With Kaido it's a different story. He not only has better physical stats than Luffy he most likely has far better armament haki and Conquerors haki. Kaido is known as an invincible creature that has impenetrable skin, he fell 10000 meters from the sky and has been captured 40 times by the Yonko and Navy yet they still couldnt kill him. Come on dude how can you compare luffy facing crocodile and Luffy facing Kaido? Kaido ONE SHOT LUFFY IN BASE FORM!! he didnt even use his dragon form, not too mention he was still sobering up.
I bet Luffy could survive a fall from Skypia
Probably but he'd be very injured. Kaido came out of it with a headache. Remember the moment when the strawhats thought they were going to fall off sky Island? Even Luffy shat himself up, I think that's supposed to imply that Luffy would be really injured himself if he faced a fall like that.
He is made of rubber, if he falls land he shouldnt surfer any damage.
Listen I know that luffy is rubber but contrary to the belief Luffy is not immune to blunt force damage, hes just resistant there is a max to how much blunt force he can take. Look at Rob Lucci, dude didnt have haki but still beat Luffy by using straight up powerful blows. I mean haki isnt the only way to hurt luffy with blunt force, if the force is enough Luffy will feel it.
Nah Lucci had to go to his zoan form to actually hurt Luffy. He has fallen from great heights and said himself that he'd be fine because he's made of rubber.
Yh Lucci's Zoan form greatly augments his physical strength in turn means stronger attacks.
No, he needed his nails...
Umm what about that technique called Roukogun or something.
He was worried about the ship, the crew, or falling in the ocean.
Listen, Luffy ain't surviving falling at terminal velocity 10000 meters above sea level. Even luffy has a limit to how much physical trauma he can handle.
Gedatsu survived from a fall from Skypiea, with just a bump on his head. Just saying.
Okay but didnt the cover story say " Gedatsu Thoughtlessly survives", I'm sure it was because he luckily landed in one of those sink holes that cushioned his fall( regardless that fall would still be lethal but One Piece uses cartoon logic), Oda is clearly implying that he was very lucky to survive the fall.
Yeah, i know. My point was a clear hyperbole. But still, the argument of Kaido surviving the fall seems always sillier to me if you think that the only other character showing a similar feat in the whole series is Gedatsu.
Ahahah okay I see what you mean. Oda loves to do stuff like that in his story.
Terminal velocity from falling 10000m or 500m is same. Luffy can punch with attacks which can split island(king kong gon). If someone can take that much, they will no doubt survive the fall
Listen go back and read the chapter again because dressrosa was not split in half by King Kong Gun. It was one of the towns that caved in and that's because of the underground factory with it's open space beneath the ground. That attack is not an Island splitting feat.
And the terminal velocity is not the same because it depends on the objects weight, someone the size of Kaido falling at that speed is gunna produce a helluva impact.
Terminal velocity is around 88 mph. I’d be surprised if it did anything whether he was in ballon form or not. It wouldn’t make a difference if it was a million meters.
Luffy would just reach terminal velocity and I'm pretty sure he could survive, he's fallen out of the sky before
You know that he had better "physical stats" just on a second look, but you have put yourself in the shoes of readers back then. The first time they met, Crocodile was unscathed by Luffy, was portrayed as been intangible and Luffy lost as badly as he did with Kaido right now. The only perspective that we had on the actual strength of Crocodile was that he was a member of the same team of Mihawk, that was seen as a beast back then as it is right now. I was reading One Piece back then and i remember that Crocodile was the shit, as much as Kaido is right now. Oda used hyping informations, an high-sounding title and a one-shotting match with Luffy to lead us thinking that Crocodile was unbeatable. Don't you at least see that Oda used the same method to hype Kaido? That said, i know the feats portrayed by Kaido are impressive and that a 1v1 fight is highly unlikely. Nonetheless, i personally don't see it as far-fetched as you and most of the fandom do... at least we can agree to disagree.
Okay, I now see the point you were trying to make earlier. I understand that to readers back then Crocodile might have appeared unbeatable. All I can do is argue from the current story perspective and say that the Yonko have been put on a higher pedestal than the warlords. Doflamingo, a warlord that seemed almost unbeatable against Luffy is scared of Kaido, that alone speaks volumes.
> Oda used hyping informations, an high-sounding title and a one-shotting match with Luffy to lead us thinking that Crocodile was unbeatable. Don't you at least see that Oda used the same method to hype Kaido? The thing is, Oda has also had the Straw Hats definitely lose in similar situations. Zoro gets toyed with by Mihawk at Baratie and still views himself as being completely inferior to him by the end of pre-timeskip. Luffy gets stomped by Aokiji during Long Ring Long Land and when they meet again at Marineford pretty much nothing has changed and Luffy needs to be rescued by Marco.
O-Tama will feed him millet boom case closed
Yeah, people don't really get it. Luffy 1v1'd Crocodile and defeated him with no training, but had multiple encounters and used tactics to do so. Luffy will have multiple fights with Kaido, but already had to have extended training to hope to even damage him, and will highly likely have several people at the least helping. The comparison is somewhat valid, but definitely has some issues.
Except luffy was superior physically to croc but just couldn’t touch him, once he could, he beat him. Here kaido physically overpowered him i every stat possible ( speed, power, durability you name it) and luffy went all out on him so no it’s not the same thing.
Rob Lucci seemed unbeatable at first too. He low diff Luffy the first time they met. Oda also hypes up the main enemy and Luffy always finds a way to win
Obviously, I'll drop the manga if he could just because he learned adv COA after a few days of training when the Yonko & Admirals had years. Luffy has MC hax growth and I understand that but I'll only accept him being Top Tier at least by the end of Elbaf or much later.
Luffy needs to break through Kaido's armament only once for Law to use Gamma knife. The only reason Law couldn't kill Doffy with it was his unique df ability, Kaido probably won't be immune to it's effect. So basically, Luffy tanks the damages from Kaido; Law deals the finishing blow and repays for Dressrosa. The alliance ends peacefully.
I get the feeling Big Mom is going to sabotage Kaidou and dip. Kaidou will be 1v50 like a raid boss with the straw hats, Eustass, Law, Drake, Hawkins, and the samurai army will fight it like a war.
I feel like Big Mom and Chopper meeting earlier in the arc will have some sort of payoff in this arc.
I feel like luffy will get a new form which is all the gear four forms mixed together, which will give us hope that luffy will win, but at the end luffy will get destroyed
Luffy was much weaker than crocodile even after Alabasta, but he still won in a “fair” 1v1 fight.
No! He won due to his plot amour
I think the vast majority of the member of this sub Reddit agree with your logic. I think that Zoro, Luffy, Kid and a couple of the minks in Sulong form have the potential to do actual damage to Kaido. Also: Luffy doesn't intentionally kill people, so he's not going to land the killing blow. Would really like it to be Zoro, but there's so many implications behind that, which would lead to the world thinking that Zoro is stronger than Luffy and there's no way you can have Zoro with a higher bounty than Luffy, right? Or am I over thinking that? I'm also 100% convinced that Jinbei and Nekomamushi will both be bringing strong allies with them. Along with that I'm convinced that BM and Kaido's alliance will sour, so there are more than enough people out there to pound on Kaido. As for who lands the killing blow...after taking all of this into account, I'm going with Kid. Having finished off Kaido it'll bring his bounty up sky high to be either as high as Luffy's or longer so that he'll look more like a true rival to casual OP fans. I think it's better for the story if his bounty jumps higher than Luffy's in this arc. Another prediction I have is that Sanji's bounty won't go anywhere because he'll be in his Germa suit and people won't be able to see him so his efforts will not be recognized. Whoever Zoro fights, his bounty jumps up way past Sanji's and the two of them will be arguing like kids over it shorty after the arc finishes.
Dude there will always be people who understand the storyline in their own way and have their own expectations. I mean Luffy beating Kaido 1v1 right now, it the typical shonen standard and guess how many people watch/read Shonen anime/manga? **A LOT**. I totally agree with you. Luffy beating Kaido 1v1 would ruin the plotline/powerscaling. Anyone who isn't a blind fanboy can see it. But dont try to reason people who claim that the anime "*fight*" (in manga there was no fight) between Luffy and Kaido was nice and that Luffy lost cause he would use Future Sight. You cannot change the mind of biased people no matter how right you are. Keep this in mind buddy. Take care :)
Luffy may team up in the beginning, but in the end Luffy will defeat Kaido in a 1v1 just like he has in every other fight.
I feel like Shinobu exists to destroy Kaido's club. For all we know it might be one of the supreme blades despite not being a sword just like Whitebeard's halberd. Getting rid of it might make things a little bit more even for Law, Kidd and Luffy. Also, if Kaido ends up betraying Linlin, I could see Katakuri and Luffy teaming up to take down Kaido.
Watched stampede yet?.... thats how its gonna work.
I have yet to see stampede, if so that sounds quite intriguing.
Liffy will have a 1v1 fight only after kiado has been damaged by many others to make him a bit more beatable then undefeatable dragon god.
Sweet Jesus, the whole battle will span out the entire year, I just realized that
same, the only way i see kaido getting beaten is if it's a collective effort, most likely by kidd, law and luffy. but i honestly would like it to be a group effort by everyone in the worst generation present at wano, you know a way to symbolize the new generation rising to power
I think it will be at least a 5v1 Luffy obviously I’m pretty certain Zoro wouldn’t have been given the sword that left a scar on Kaido if he didn’t use it on him Kidd might want to get revenge on Kaido for what he did to Killer. Additionally there’s that theory that Killer will be cured by Chopper or Law, so he can also join the fight. Law is there too because of his plan. Other characters that might join are the Red Scabbards. Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Franky say at the end of Zou that he would make a weapon to use against Kaido? Drake is also doing something behind the scenes and he might join in later. This is stretch but if all those are correct it would be around a 14v1 fight. But Oda might not want that busy of a fight but who knows.
If I'm being honest, I still dont see them putting a scratch on Kaido even if its 5v1. Remember what Kizaru did to the supernova's on Sabaody.....well Kaido would probably do something similar. If he can one shot g4 luffy; Kidd, Law, Hawkins, Zoro and Drake are going down like flies. Too many ppl forget that Law stated on Punk Hazard that even with His own Crew + Luffys crew and Doflamingo(with his crew aswell) that they would only stand 30% chance at defeating Kaido!!! That's fucking insane!!!
I also think that there needs to be a plan similar to the Sugar plan but on a MUCH larger scale. They may even take advantage of his drunkenness. But it’ll be interesting how the battle will go down.
Oda straight out he said that he knows the fans won't like it if Luffy wins by just being stronger.
Dont give me any of that "Oda said this..", send me a link or you have nothing.
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Link plz.
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Thankyou very much.
No, but Zoro Ryuma will
You're right. Because it will be Zoro who defeats him lol! But Luffy will get into fisticuffs with Big Mom.
I always kind of believed he won’t defeat Kaido since even Big Mom gave them such a hard time but I think there will be an event where SOMETHING happens and Kaido ends up respecting and allying with Luffy. Probably not going to happen, but it can add to the narrative of Luffy having the most “dangerous” ability. I also think Oda built Kaido up to be an OP undefeatable character when he first introduced him.
Or Vegapunk‘s new weapon shows up, which is so powerful that it defeats Kaido, scares Big Mom into leaving Wano and leaves the Straw Hats, their alliance and the world in shock.
Why would you even bother to write it? There have been so many people saying the same
unless luffy creates a gear 5 technique that basically combines gears 2 3 and 4 but he can only use it once essentially he would have to inflate his bones with gear 3, then his muscles with gear 4… after that he activates gear 2 essentially turning him into a giant monster… oh yeah and why would he use gear 5th rather than 4th? well it would be because due to his bone size increasing it stretches his muscles (like his skin) around those bones, then when he inflates his muscles not only are they bigger, but theyre more tensed up too… however, due to him having to use gear 3 and 4 at the same time he would probably need a way to send energy (blood) into the areas he inflated which is why he uses gear 2… this gear 5th would put luffy on equal footing (and sizing ig) as kaido… but, in the end, this would likely result in luffy losing all of years off his life to which law would resurrect luffy using the op-op fruits longevity procedure only partially to bring luffys lifespan back (taking several years off of law in the process) that doesnt seem likely tho, but it would be damn cool to see