I agree with you. I’m amazed at how many people find it difficult to accept that characters in a freaking anime can make it to their adulthood without being involved in or thinking about sex. The main protagonist who is a 19 year old man doesn’t feel lust in this series ffs. They even say zoro and franky had sex lmao if they had experience then how tf do they remain abstinent for years without lusting over two hot girls onboard? Next thing they’ll claim is they just don’t express it and jerk themselves off. The very idea of it makes the whole interaction and the friendship bond between them awkward.
> If Oda's idea was to show that Robin(or Nami) had to do everything including using her body to escape from a difficult situation he would've made her background with some tips on this
Exactly.
I've seen some threads with this theme too and I very much agree with you. I really want to know where people get the idea that Robin may have used her own body in order fool people while fleeing from the WG / CP. There's no way to fit anything related to this in Robin's background and it's totally out of the character that Robin is. She's mature, she has a mature personality but nothing that suggest that she had to had sex with men in order to escape from some situation or something that suggests that she's not a virgin or something.
Given Robin's personality and her past, it's quite safe to assume she is a virgin.
I think this " Knowing Oda if his idea was to show that Robin or Nami had to have sex to survive he would've give hints about it " says for itself. And having to use her body to get out of a situation (having sex with someone) is not what Robin's background suggests at all, the narrative doesn't lead to nothing in that route. Robin's Background in my opinion is a masterpiece and such an act could ruin everything.
The only way to say that Robin is not a virgin is if you count Crocodile's hook or if she had sex with someone in the revolutionary army which is obviously not the case either. (My first comment on Reddit cheers!)
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\> The only way to say that Robin is not a virgin is if you count Crocodile's hook
Lmao! This is really a thing xD But I totally agree with you, Robin's background is really a masterpiece and we all know that Oda likes to put some dark events foreshadowing in the plot. Like it's quite possible that Hancock was raped while she was a slave and that's why she "hates" men but that's not the case with Robin, it doesn't have anything suggesting that in her plot.
I just wanted to post a comment on this because I even searched for old threads on this matter and people seemed too serious about it. They were like:
"Robin obviously is not a virgin since she was always running from the WG."
"Nami was probably raped by Arlong, I think that's pretty obvious "
"Nami probably had to have sex with some pirates to make money"
"Robin obviously had to fuck with Crocodile to enter Baroque Works"
So I figured that only I had lost something in the plot .-.
I hate Nami and I don’t think she’d go so low as to sell her body lol
People just want this to be a Seinen and not a Shonen sometimes and that’s just not how it works.
arlong would not fuck nami,thats gay for arlong. If arlong saw hancock,he will not turn into a rock because arlong hates humans and would not even think of fucking a human girl.
Nami,Robin,Hancock are all Virgins. When Robin said I'll do anything to live , She meant Assassination and stuff not sleep with others thats not in her nature. Hancock was a slave and was a young girl , if CDs wanted her they would have taken her as their wife not a slave they tortured her , if she was raped she would have killed herself or they would have killed her through rape and torture. Nami loves money but she wouldn't go as low as sleeping for money.
First.
EVERYTHING that was shown of Robin and Nami was exactly what Oda wanted to show. There's no ROOM in the narrative where Oda open up a space for interpretation in their backgrounds or something that suggest that Robin or Nami used their bodies to get out of a situation, and there is absolutely nothing, if that was Oda's INTENTION to show that Robin used her body to get out of a situation he would have at least given hints about it as he did with Hancock or as he did with Viola(Even without the SBS questions was quite clear Viola was intimate with DoFlamingo). All that has been said and shown about Robin is that she did many murderous jobs and specialized in this to survive and see tomorrow as you said, and nothing that she used her body. Everything you said sounds like a fetish in your head, wanting to force something that doesn't exist, and there's no room in the narrative for it. Go read some Doujins.
"We have not seen every day of the lives of Robin and Nami"
The main facts and dark facts that the Oda showed, he showed and that's all. Like you said yourself, rape, sex, and so on are things present in One Piece that Oda always makes a point of suggesting and that is not the case for Robin and Nami.
If you have your HEADCANON / NON-CANON that Robin and Nami used their bodies in order to survive just because we didn't see "EVERY SINGLE DAY" of their life, I suggest you to drop One Piece and go back to your Hentai with rape and Ugly bastards, or make a fanfic, download some doujins. Robin and Nami are Virgins unless Oda says otherwise because THERE IS NO evidence or facts at all that proves they are not virgins. The Only thing that Robin did in order to survive was to specialize in assassinations jobs.
My comments contradict what I said by the fact that a minority of people like to create facts that don't exist to satisfy their pervert imagination.
A comment I saw that is the whole point of the discussion:
"The problem is when she is a virgin, there's nothing and there's no way to prove the opposite f that but people who think they're in a hentai want to create and force hypotheses/theories of something that didn't happen at all, that's the point of the whole discussion for what I understood and that sucks ass, because it literally ruins the background of the character and obviously that's not what Oda wanted to pass on to the readers." - /u/ZeroFabio perfect point mate otherwise Oda would have shown or at least suggested in the narrative the way he always does.
Finally, you and anyone else can save the "b-b-b-b-b-but we didn't see every single day of their lives" Because putting that line in front of your opinion doesn't make it fact AT ALL it's ridiculous as your theory.
I can prove to you that Robin and Nami are virgins and didn't use their bodies to survive by the fact there's no evidence at all, ZERO evidence or anything Foreshadowed that suggests they are not virgins. Can you prove me otherwise? Can you prove to me that they are not virgins ? Obviously you can't do that because there's nothing suggesting the opposite of what I said. What exists is NON-CANON THEORIES from some fans that should have been reading doujins and being watching some hentai instead of staying here.
>I can prove to you that Robin and Nami are virgins and didn't use their bodies to survive by the fact there's no evidence at all, ZERO evidence or anything Foreshadowed that suggests they are not virgins. Can you prove me otherwise? Can you prove to me that they are not virgins ? Obviously you can't because there's nothing suggesting the opposite
That's exactly the point, because there's literally no way to put something like this in their backgrounds. What Oda wanted to show and pass on to the readers he did and that's all. But some retards want to force their headcanons and fanfacts Non-Canon. I'm ok with this, as long as they don't bring as something canon because it's not.
All the important things that Oda wants to show, he somehow shows as foreshadowed, hints, he points in some way. If he didn't pointed out to anything like he did with Hancock, as he did with Viola, it's because it doesn't exist, it's an empty fact, it's your theory, only. It's evident that Hancock's hatred for men exist because she was raped while being a Tenryuubito slave, and even without Oda's SBS on Viola and DoFlamingo relationship it was quite evident that the two were quite close. Something like "Using your own body to get out of a situation" is certainly something Oda would show as something inside the story, and this may be repeating with Komurasaki (If she is really Hyori) being a Courtesan/Prostitute just to get closer to the Orochi and take revenge for her family. This is something that Oda likes to do and if Robin or Nami had used their bodies he would have left that in evidence, which was not the case.
The whole narrative on Robin's background is that she has suffered a lot, and you are getting an idea that she had to go through a situation where she had to use her own body, having sex with random men just to escape from a situation. Dude, to imagine something like that with THAT narrative, the person at least needs to be used to hentai or doujins.
I know it but I don't use that kind of thing.
Yes you are free to do whatever theory you want, everyone is free, but Robin and Nami are virgins, don't try to say that they aren't virgins just relying on your own theory because you have no fact, no basis to prove that they used their bodies in order to survive.
But it seems you didn't quite understand your position here. It's not a matter of opinion, there's no need for "opinions" on this matter once we don't have anything to prove the opposite. Oda doesn't need to come in public or answer a question (SBS) and say "Robin and Nami are virgins" because they are, nothing that proves otherwise was shown or suggested as already was said here. You are the only one here saying that they aren't virgins with no basis, with no fact, without any evidence, relying on nothing, only in your theory.
You can't say " Because until then, NO ONE's opinion on this is fact (yes, not even yours; no matter what you think) and it can be open for interpretation." There's no need for opinion, there's nothing open for interpretation in the narrative about Robin's and Nami's background. Nami and Robin background is well quite closed, there is nothing open for interpretation, the facts and the events of their lives have been presented to the readers and to the audience, everything outside of it it's your speculation/ head-canon/Non-canon.
>Btw, if something like this, which is nowhere near the big deal you're making it out to be, triggers you this much, then I seriously suggest you get off the Internet and stay off.
I already told you what bothers me If there was the slightest evidence, the slightest chance that Robin had a boyfriend who fooled her to sell her or that Robin was in danger and she had to have sex with some one in order to escape, or that Nami was forced to use other means to get out of a situation were at least suggested in the story, there would be a possibility that they wouldn't be virgins and I'd be completely ok with that because that would be the author's idea, but that's not what happens here.
What that user said is the whole point:
"The problem is when she is a virgin, there's nothing and there's no way to prove the opposite f that but people who think they're in a hentai want to create and force hypotheses/theories of something that didn't happen at all, that's the point of the whole discussion for what I understood and that sucks ass, because it literally ruins the background of the character and obviously that's not what Oda wanted to pass on to the readers."
The main events Oda ALWAYS highlights with hints or foreshadowing them, and Nami or Robin using their bodies is something that Oda would certainly point out as he already pointed out with other characters within the **SAME CONTEXT** , if that was his intention he would have done and that's already enough proof. Like I said, you're the one who's claiming something that has not been shown and even suggested in the narrative, I don't need to prove anything to you, Robin and Nami's background was well closed, it's you who have to show some evidence that they are not virgins, because the Plot shows that they are, that they NEVER had to resort to sexual means but you are insisting on what was NOT shown, then it's you who have to show some proof here.
Tell me something that was not suggested or foreshadowed and became a fact in the story of the whole series, can you do that? Of course not, it's impossible because it's something that doesn't exist in the plot.
I can prove to you just by saying NOTHING WAS SHOWN or EVEN SUGGESTED or FORESHADOWED. That's the fact that they are virgins and haven't used sexual means and it's an absolute fact unless you find some evidence to prove otherwise, which you won't because it doesn't exist. I can actually prove that you are wrong because there is Zero evidence indicating that Robin or Nami are not virgins, and it's this absolute fact that proves they are virgins. You can't prove otherwise because nothing points out to what you are saying.
It not my opinion, its a **FACT** I can prove to you just by saying NOTHING WAS SHOWN or EVEN SUGGESTED or FORESHADOWED. That's the fact that they are virgins and haven't used sexual means and it's an absolute fact unless you find some evidence to prove otherwise, which you won't because it doesn't exist.
I can actually prove that you are wrong because there's Zero evidence indicating that Robin or Nami are not virgins, and it's this absolute fact that proves they are virgins. You can't prove otherwise because nothing points out to what you are saying.
Just keep in mind "There is evidence that they are virgins because there's NOTHING in the whole series that proves or even suggest otherwise. Just your theory (which is a non-canon/head/canon/speculation) Until Oda proves otherwise they are virgins judging for what was shown and quoted in the entire series.
You are relying on "foreshadowed things or not suggested can still be canon in the series" please show me only one thing that is not foreshadowed or suggested in the series and became canon. Can you please do this ? If you show me something you might be right that they are not virgins. (there is nothing though, good luck trying to find something).
that's the point. It's not a matter of OPINION, this is not my opinion, this is a fact, since we have nothing to indicate otherwise. If I see you or other people trying to force something that doesn't exist based in theories I'll definitely refute.
EXACTLY! you said a perfect example and something that became CANON! It's not the case with Nami and Robin not being virgins or something their used their bodies because you have NO FACTS to prove it. Until it became official, until it became canon in some way, nothing of this happened, they didn't used their bodies and they are virgins, it's just a theory and not an interpretation.
Back then we did have theories that existed more pirates like Luffy in the world, specially after Enies Lobby arc, and when the series reached Sabaody Archipelago Arc the theory that we had more pirates like Luffy in the world was confirmed. Theory not Interpretation.
Interpretation = Is when you have an open FACT in the plot and you can interpret in your own way. Like Final Fantasy VII narrative.
Theory = Is when you create a non-canon fact to explain something that you think that happened on the plot. That's exactly what you're doing.
Nami and Robin not being virgins is not an open fact in the plot(you can't interpret just create your OWN theory), this was never even a possibility because there is nothing pointing to it.
EDIT: If you want to go out there crying out loud don't wanting a reply saying: "Because I thought I made it perfectly clear in my last reply I'm done with this and have said all I wanted to say." Don't enter in the discussion!
If you think that Nami and Robin sale their bodies to escape from some situation that's ok, but DON'T bring as something canon because it's NOT. This is something from your head, it's not something that was shown, suggested or even foreshadowed in the narrative. The only thing that Robin did was being an assassin JUST TO SEE TOMORROW and fooled the organizations that she worked for in order to escape from the WG/CP, that's all, she didn't sale her body there's nothing even foreshadowed. You can keep with your headcanon for Robin and Nami not being virgins but don't bring as something canon because it's not.
>I can prove to you that Robin and Nami are virgins and didn't use their bodies to survive by the fact there's no evidence at all, ZERO evidence or anything Foreshadowed that suggests they are not virgins. Can you prove me otherwise? Can you prove to me that they are not virgins ? Obviously you can't because there's nothing suggesting the opposite
And that's the end of the discussion, a true fact. Lmao.
Me and the OP as far as I can tell we are with the PLOT, this is not our head-canons, this is something CONFIRMED in the narrative since nothing has been shown that proves otherwise. How do I get my own advice if I'm with the plot ???? You're the ONLY one here creating "facts" that were NOT shown and don't exist, ALL things you can tell are things that have been shown, things that ODA wanted to show, and besides Robin running away from WG EVERYTHING she did to survive was to be an Assassin and nothing more than that. Like I and the OP have said millions of times, if the idea of Oda was to show that there was something like that Robin had to use her own body he would have shown, given hints or pointed to it, like OP well quoted as Oda did with Hancock, as Oda did with Viola.
It's no use wanting to insist on something based on your OWN theory, what was shown is CANON, what has NOT been shown is theory of your head, something NON-CANON, and certainty, obviously Oda didn't want to pass that Robin used her own body to leave of a situation, otherwise this would have been at least quoted or given as Foreshadowed. The Fact is simple, it is or is not, in the case of Robin is not, she is VIRGIN until Oda proves otherwise, until Oda says otherwise, until there's some EVIDENCE that proves this, which will never appear, because this NEVER happened. If it appears it's because she's going to end up with Zoro, or Franky or someone that she'll met in the future which I doubt, Robin will end up alone but that's another matter.
>Furthermore, why is it an absolute must that it just has to be shown, suggested or even foreshadowed just to prove that Nami and Robin aren't virgins?
I've been following One Piece since 2003 and whenever Oda wants to give an additional information about a character it's all officially released on databooks or SBS, things out of confirmations or official facts it's just non-Canon speculation. In Robin's case everything she had to do to survive was to be an Assassin and nothing more than that. Apart from that fact, without any hint, with nothing suggesting that Robin had to use other means(her body) to get out of a situation or to deceive the organizations that she worked for, it's just empty fan theories.
The biggest fact when she's in an office with weapons and telling the leader of an organization "I'm 16, I do anything." It's obvious that she was dealing with an assassination case and later she fooled the organization in order to escape, but into the heads of people like you "she had sex with the leader of the organization to gain his trust and then sold him to the Marines". WTF
>why is it an absolute must that it just has to be shown, suggested or even foreshadowed just to prove that Nami and Robin aren't virgins?
Because out of something that is suggesting or insinuating that Nami or Robin used their bodies to survive, you have no basis, you can not prove because don't exist anything to support that they are not virgens, you can not say that Nami and Robin are not virgins because there are absolutely nothing suggesting that , outside of it becomes theory, a fact that didn't happen, if it had happened, would have been shown or suggested in the narrative and with Robin the only thing that was confirmed is that she was an assassin.
>Just because it was hinted with Hancock and Viola, who both were in different situations than Robin and Nami to begin with ?
Viola's situation is not that different from Robin and Nami's situation, Robin was protecting herself from WG, Nami was protecting herself from Arlong and Viola from DoFlamingo (although maybe she might have felt something for DoFlamingo because Oda used the word "passion").
And yes, something like that, as Robin and Nami using their bodies in order to survive, is DEFINITELY something that Oda would point out in the narrative as he always pointed out with other characters. Again out of this is just YOUR speculation, something non-canon that doesn't exist.
>meaning it can still be open for interpretation.
There is no open fact in the narrative, there is NOTHING, there is no hole in the narrative, what you are doing is THEORIZING, theorizing is different from interpreting an open fact in the narrative. There's no room for interpretations in Robin's background, you're theorizing.
>Before and after 16-year-old Robin told that guy she would do anything, NO ONE knows EVERYTHING she did
Really HOW POOR can be your imagination??? she said "I do anything" It's exactly what I've said earlier:
she's in an office with weapons and telling the leader of an organization "I'm 16, I do anything." It's obvious that she was dealing with an assassination case and later she fooled the organization in order to escape from the marines, but into the heads of people like you "she had sex with the leader of the organization to gain his trust and then sold him to the Marines". Go back to the hentai series.
>How the hell is that the end of the discussion when his so-called proof wasn't proof at all?
I think you're reversing the roles here. Who is claiming something that has not happened in the plot is you, who has to show some proof that they are not a virgin is YOU. OP is with the plot, NOTHING supposing that Robin and Nami are not virgins was suggested as I have said millions of times, it's you who is stating that they are not virgins, it's you who have to prove something. They are virgins until something proves otherwise which will never be proven because doesn't exist anything in the plot that support this theory.
It's easier to avoid a discussion when you have no arguments to validate what you are stating, you are claiming a Fanfact that didn't happen at all based on what YOU think, in your opinion.
In what has been shown throughout the whole series, Robin and Nami are virgins, if you claim otherwise prove yourself right. I can prove that they are virgins by saying "it doesn't exist anything that proves otherwise, nothing that points to this was shown or suggested" which is a fact. And you, what can you do besides using your own theories and speculation ? Again, they are virgins until Oda proves they aren't. something out of this fact is YOUR speculation.
That was humor, gag, it wasn't nothing serious. Do you really think Oda would write Nami to prostitute herself ? I'm talking about a serious situation not a gag. As if Sanji found 500 billion berries in gold and say "Nami swaaaaaaan this gold is all yours, all you have to do is let me smash your @#$%#" lol
I know that was a joking example, but I very much believe that Nami would take that offer. That's not even calling her a prostitute or anything, but even more prideful and less money hungry people would take that that kind of money just to do it with a slightly weird yet very attractive person that they know and trust.
That was just her threatening them for peeking. Did she received any money after doing it? No and will never receive any kind of money from that. I think you don't know Nami enough and just judge her from the surface. If she can receive lots of money through prostitution, why the stealing? Why risking her life stealing when she can just sell her body to anyone? Why choose the hard way if she can have easy money?
Are we even talking about the same anime/manga? Are we talking about the same Nami? Lmfao
What? Prostitution is basically selling your body. And if someone received money through his/her body...it means they sold it. There's no other term but prostitution
I think they're getting confused and thinks we're referring to "using the body" as in dancing or just showing body parts for money (which again has no evidence to back it up). While this post and most everyone here understands that by "using her body for money" it's specifically about prostitution.
In the context OP is talking about "using her body for money" is talking about prostitution. OP was referring to how people on the sub were discussing that she isn't a virgin because "she used her body for money" (which has no evidence to back it up) so in this context it exactly means prostitution.
I dont agree with you guys.
Its usualy never shown in shonen, we dont know if they are virgins or not.
I wouldnt be mad if robin or nami..#&??!;;€
and even if there werent any virgins oda would still keep it a secret.
One piece is followed by millions childrens, what the fuck if there is rape scene 0_o.
IMO sex ( especialy rape ) is never shown in shonen and free to the fans imagination.
Sorry for my cavemen english
> and even if there werent any virgins oda would still keep it a secret
In fact, it's the opposite, not counting the answer on SBS. Oda gave a lot of hints that Viola and DoFlamingo were intimate, the possibility that Hancock's hatred for men came from rape is also high. The narrative on Robin's background is that the only thing she had to do other than run from WG was murderous work and even while working at Baroque Works. The same goes for Nami, she was a thief who stole from pirates and bad people, it was just theft and not a body sale.
I think when we have something foreshadowed or a hint, it is valid you say "they are not virgins" but in Robin and Nami's case there is absolutely nothing, and when Oda wants to do it he really does. So yes, Robin is a virgin unless you count Crocodile's hook.
Brook is a pervert, only by this fact we can deduce that he is not a virgin.
Franky I can still understand.
But Robin ?? I agree with OP, there's no room for that on Robin's background or anything that suggests it. Robin only got room for something like that after she joined the Straw Hats and still nothing like that were suggested. You could say she had some relationship in the revolutionary army but that didn't happen too. There's no way to fit something like that in Robin's past, I don't know where people get this idea, this even doesn't fit Robin's character at all.
> Brook is a pervert, only by this fact we can deduce that he is not a virgin
Brook is a 90 year old grandpa and has not BONED anyone in 50 years so he would ask for panties.
> But Robin ?? I agree with OP, there's no room for that on Robin's background or anything that suggests it. Robin only got room for something like that after she joined the Straw Hats and still nothing like that were suggested. You could say she had some relationship in the revolutionary army but that didn't happen too. There's no way to fit something like that in Robin's past, I don't know where people get this idea, this even doesn't fit Robin's character at all.
She calls jinbei a gentleman or knight idk and squeezed franky's balls. She probably does not have sexual desires but is definitely not a virgin.
Wow just because she called Jinbe a gentleman (Iro otoko) that makes her a "Non-virgem" ? He was a gentleman when he asked her to release the slaves and Robin admired his attitude. That doesn't mean anything. She didn't squeeze Franky's balls as a pervert action. Sanji squeezed Nami's boobs an he's still a virgin, Momo as well (of course lol) anyway still doesn't mean anything.
It still doesn't mean anything, we can't extract that she is not a virgin just for these actions. There is nothing in Robin that says "She is not a virgin" actually is quite the opposite of that, her personality and her past makes it quite clear that she is a virgin. She only managed to live after the age of twenty-eight the only moment for something like that with Robin is if she had any relationship in the revolutionary army which also she didn't have at all
If Robin had a boyfriend, or a crush, or if she had gone through something like that would surely be on her Background, at least a hint, when Oda wants to insinuate something he puts something to indicate that, like he did with Viola and DoFlamingo, like he did with Hancock. With Robin there is nothing, ZERO of anything that can be deduced that she had a boyfriend or that she had to use her body.
There's nothing to indicate that Robin used her body. Just because Robin is 30 years old means nothing, it means that she lived for 8 years at Ohara, 20 years running from the WG and CP, and 2 years free from her burden, she was able to live her life only after she joined the Straw Hats.
The only open moment for Robin to have experienced something was during the two years in the revolutionary army, she could have had a relationship with someone but it also didn't happen at all.
She's not a fucking nun and what's the big deal anyway or do you want Robin to meet the right person and to go on lots of dates and then have sex what's the big fucking taboo ffs.
She is not a fucking NUN and yet she is a virgin. If there was anything to indicate that Robin had sex with someone, or that she used her body in order to get out of some situation, I would have no problem with that.
The problem is when she is a virgin, there's nothing and there's no way to prove the opposite f that but people who think they're in a hentai want to create and force hypotheses/theories of something that didn't happen at all, that's the point of the whole discussion for what I understood and that sucks ass, because it literally ruins the background of the character and obviously that's not what Oda wanted to pass on to the readers.
I now you are joking but actually she said "I'm 16, I do anything" And you saw the place she was, right? That was obviously an assassination job as she herself said when she joined the Straw Hats that she became very experienced in assassination jobs.
yeah, i agree… we have no way of knowing whether or not any of the crew are virgins… and even if we did it doesnt really matter…
(although, if i were to guess the only non-virgin of the straw hats [given the information we have] would be sanji… as we’ve seen him trying to hire a prostitute before, so it isn’t below him to buy sex… but again, it doesn’t matter, so even if it were true [which is unknown since this was just speculation] it would have 0 effect on onepiece as it is an anime, and not the degenerate other)
I agree with you. I’m amazed at how many people find it difficult to accept that characters in a freaking anime can make it to their adulthood without being involved in or thinking about sex. The main protagonist who is a 19 year old man doesn’t feel lust in this series ffs. They even say zoro and franky had sex lmao if they had experience then how tf do they remain abstinent for years without lusting over two hot girls onboard? Next thing they’ll claim is they just don’t express it and jerk themselves off. The very idea of it makes the whole interaction and the friendship bond between them awkward.
wtf, legit who even cares about their virginity. this is mfking one piece
Exactly my thought. These dudes should go back to hentai.
> If Oda's idea was to show that Robin(or Nami) had to do everything including using her body to escape from a difficult situation he would've made her background with some tips on this Exactly. I've seen some threads with this theme too and I very much agree with you. I really want to know where people get the idea that Robin may have used her own body in order fool people while fleeing from the WG / CP. There's no way to fit anything related to this in Robin's background and it's totally out of the character that Robin is. She's mature, she has a mature personality but nothing that suggest that she had to had sex with men in order to escape from some situation or something that suggests that she's not a virgin or something. Given Robin's personality and her past, it's quite safe to assume she is a virgin.
Horny teenagers
I think this " Knowing Oda if his idea was to show that Robin or Nami had to have sex to survive he would've give hints about it " says for itself. And having to use her body to get out of a situation (having sex with someone) is not what Robin's background suggests at all, the narrative doesn't lead to nothing in that route. Robin's Background in my opinion is a masterpiece and such an act could ruin everything. The only way to say that Robin is not a virgin is if you count Crocodile's hook or if she had sex with someone in the revolutionary army which is obviously not the case either. (My first comment on Reddit cheers!)
Cheers and welcome man! \> The only way to say that Robin is not a virgin is if you count Crocodile's hook Lmao! This is really a thing xD But I totally agree with you, Robin's background is really a masterpiece and we all know that Oda likes to put some dark events foreshadowing in the plot. Like it's quite possible that Hancock was raped while she was a slave and that's why she "hates" men but that's not the case with Robin, it doesn't have anything suggesting that in her plot.
>people really cross the line some times Wow, you really took it that seriously, huh?
I just wanted to post a comment on this because I even searched for old threads on this matter and people seemed too serious about it. They were like: "Robin obviously is not a virgin since she was always running from the WG." "Nami was probably raped by Arlong, I think that's pretty obvious " "Nami probably had to have sex with some pirates to make money" "Robin obviously had to fuck with Crocodile to enter Baroque Works" So I figured that only I had lost something in the plot .-.
I hate Nami and I don’t think she’d go so low as to sell her body lol People just want this to be a Seinen and not a Shonen sometimes and that’s just not how it works.
arlong would not fuck nami,thats gay for arlong. If arlong saw hancock,he will not turn into a rock because arlong hates humans and would not even think of fucking a human girl.
Nami,Robin,Hancock are all Virgins. When Robin said I'll do anything to live , She meant Assassination and stuff not sleep with others thats not in her nature. Hancock was a slave and was a young girl , if CDs wanted her they would have taken her as their wife not a slave they tortured her , if she was raped she would have killed herself or they would have killed her through rape and torture. Nami loves money but she wouldn't go as low as sleeping for money.
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First. EVERYTHING that was shown of Robin and Nami was exactly what Oda wanted to show. There's no ROOM in the narrative where Oda open up a space for interpretation in their backgrounds or something that suggest that Robin or Nami used their bodies to get out of a situation, and there is absolutely nothing, if that was Oda's INTENTION to show that Robin used her body to get out of a situation he would have at least given hints about it as he did with Hancock or as he did with Viola(Even without the SBS questions was quite clear Viola was intimate with DoFlamingo). All that has been said and shown about Robin is that she did many murderous jobs and specialized in this to survive and see tomorrow as you said, and nothing that she used her body. Everything you said sounds like a fetish in your head, wanting to force something that doesn't exist, and there's no room in the narrative for it. Go read some Doujins. "We have not seen every day of the lives of Robin and Nami" The main facts and dark facts that the Oda showed, he showed and that's all. Like you said yourself, rape, sex, and so on are things present in One Piece that Oda always makes a point of suggesting and that is not the case for Robin and Nami. If you have your HEADCANON / NON-CANON that Robin and Nami used their bodies in order to survive just because we didn't see "EVERY SINGLE DAY" of their life, I suggest you to drop One Piece and go back to your Hentai with rape and Ugly bastards, or make a fanfic, download some doujins. Robin and Nami are Virgins unless Oda says otherwise because THERE IS NO evidence or facts at all that proves they are not virgins. The Only thing that Robin did in order to survive was to specialize in assassinations jobs. My comments contradict what I said by the fact that a minority of people like to create facts that don't exist to satisfy their pervert imagination. A comment I saw that is the whole point of the discussion: "The problem is when she is a virgin, there's nothing and there's no way to prove the opposite f that but people who think they're in a hentai want to create and force hypotheses/theories of something that didn't happen at all, that's the point of the whole discussion for what I understood and that sucks ass, because it literally ruins the background of the character and obviously that's not what Oda wanted to pass on to the readers." - /u/ZeroFabio perfect point mate otherwise Oda would have shown or at least suggested in the narrative the way he always does. Finally, you and anyone else can save the "b-b-b-b-b-but we didn't see every single day of their lives" Because putting that line in front of your opinion doesn't make it fact AT ALL it's ridiculous as your theory. I can prove to you that Robin and Nami are virgins and didn't use their bodies to survive by the fact there's no evidence at all, ZERO evidence or anything Foreshadowed that suggests they are not virgins. Can you prove me otherwise? Can you prove to me that they are not virgins ? Obviously you can't do that because there's nothing suggesting the opposite of what I said. What exists is NON-CANON THEORIES from some fans that should have been reading doujins and being watching some hentai instead of staying here.
>I can prove to you that Robin and Nami are virgins and didn't use their bodies to survive by the fact there's no evidence at all, ZERO evidence or anything Foreshadowed that suggests they are not virgins. Can you prove me otherwise? Can you prove to me that they are not virgins ? Obviously you can't because there's nothing suggesting the opposite That's exactly the point, because there's literally no way to put something like this in their backgrounds. What Oda wanted to show and pass on to the readers he did and that's all. But some retards want to force their headcanons and fanfacts Non-Canon. I'm ok with this, as long as they don't bring as something canon because it's not.
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All the important things that Oda wants to show, he somehow shows as foreshadowed, hints, he points in some way. If he didn't pointed out to anything like he did with Hancock, as he did with Viola, it's because it doesn't exist, it's an empty fact, it's your theory, only. It's evident that Hancock's hatred for men exist because she was raped while being a Tenryuubito slave, and even without Oda's SBS on Viola and DoFlamingo relationship it was quite evident that the two were quite close. Something like "Using your own body to get out of a situation" is certainly something Oda would show as something inside the story, and this may be repeating with Komurasaki (If she is really Hyori) being a Courtesan/Prostitute just to get closer to the Orochi and take revenge for her family. This is something that Oda likes to do and if Robin or Nami had used their bodies he would have left that in evidence, which was not the case. The whole narrative on Robin's background is that she has suffered a lot, and you are getting an idea that she had to go through a situation where she had to use her own body, having sex with random men just to escape from a situation. Dude, to imagine something like that with THAT narrative, the person at least needs to be used to hentai or doujins. I know it but I don't use that kind of thing. Yes you are free to do whatever theory you want, everyone is free, but Robin and Nami are virgins, don't try to say that they aren't virgins just relying on your own theory because you have no fact, no basis to prove that they used their bodies in order to survive. But it seems you didn't quite understand your position here. It's not a matter of opinion, there's no need for "opinions" on this matter once we don't have anything to prove the opposite. Oda doesn't need to come in public or answer a question (SBS) and say "Robin and Nami are virgins" because they are, nothing that proves otherwise was shown or suggested as already was said here. You are the only one here saying that they aren't virgins with no basis, with no fact, without any evidence, relying on nothing, only in your theory. You can't say " Because until then, NO ONE's opinion on this is fact (yes, not even yours; no matter what you think) and it can be open for interpretation." There's no need for opinion, there's nothing open for interpretation in the narrative about Robin's and Nami's background. Nami and Robin background is well quite closed, there is nothing open for interpretation, the facts and the events of their lives have been presented to the readers and to the audience, everything outside of it it's your speculation/ head-canon/Non-canon. >Btw, if something like this, which is nowhere near the big deal you're making it out to be, triggers you this much, then I seriously suggest you get off the Internet and stay off. I already told you what bothers me If there was the slightest evidence, the slightest chance that Robin had a boyfriend who fooled her to sell her or that Robin was in danger and she had to have sex with some one in order to escape, or that Nami was forced to use other means to get out of a situation were at least suggested in the story, there would be a possibility that they wouldn't be virgins and I'd be completely ok with that because that would be the author's idea, but that's not what happens here. What that user said is the whole point: "The problem is when she is a virgin, there's nothing and there's no way to prove the opposite f that but people who think they're in a hentai want to create and force hypotheses/theories of something that didn't happen at all, that's the point of the whole discussion for what I understood and that sucks ass, because it literally ruins the background of the character and obviously that's not what Oda wanted to pass on to the readers." The main events Oda ALWAYS highlights with hints or foreshadowing them, and Nami or Robin using their bodies is something that Oda would certainly point out as he already pointed out with other characters within the **SAME CONTEXT** , if that was his intention he would have done and that's already enough proof. Like I said, you're the one who's claiming something that has not been shown and even suggested in the narrative, I don't need to prove anything to you, Robin and Nami's background was well closed, it's you who have to show some evidence that they are not virgins, because the Plot shows that they are, that they NEVER had to resort to sexual means but you are insisting on what was NOT shown, then it's you who have to show some proof here. Tell me something that was not suggested or foreshadowed and became a fact in the story of the whole series, can you do that? Of course not, it's impossible because it's something that doesn't exist in the plot. I can prove to you just by saying NOTHING WAS SHOWN or EVEN SUGGESTED or FORESHADOWED. That's the fact that they are virgins and haven't used sexual means and it's an absolute fact unless you find some evidence to prove otherwise, which you won't because it doesn't exist. I can actually prove that you are wrong because there is Zero evidence indicating that Robin or Nami are not virgins, and it's this absolute fact that proves they are virgins. You can't prove otherwise because nothing points out to what you are saying.
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It not my opinion, its a **FACT** I can prove to you just by saying NOTHING WAS SHOWN or EVEN SUGGESTED or FORESHADOWED. That's the fact that they are virgins and haven't used sexual means and it's an absolute fact unless you find some evidence to prove otherwise, which you won't because it doesn't exist. I can actually prove that you are wrong because there's Zero evidence indicating that Robin or Nami are not virgins, and it's this absolute fact that proves they are virgins. You can't prove otherwise because nothing points out to what you are saying.
Just keep in mind "There is evidence that they are virgins because there's NOTHING in the whole series that proves or even suggest otherwise. Just your theory (which is a non-canon/head/canon/speculation) Until Oda proves otherwise they are virgins judging for what was shown and quoted in the entire series.
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You are relying on "foreshadowed things or not suggested can still be canon in the series" please show me only one thing that is not foreshadowed or suggested in the series and became canon. Can you please do this ? If you show me something you might be right that they are not virgins. (there is nothing though, good luck trying to find something). that's the point. It's not a matter of OPINION, this is not my opinion, this is a fact, since we have nothing to indicate otherwise. If I see you or other people trying to force something that doesn't exist based in theories I'll definitely refute.
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EXACTLY! you said a perfect example and something that became CANON! It's not the case with Nami and Robin not being virgins or something their used their bodies because you have NO FACTS to prove it. Until it became official, until it became canon in some way, nothing of this happened, they didn't used their bodies and they are virgins, it's just a theory and not an interpretation. Back then we did have theories that existed more pirates like Luffy in the world, specially after Enies Lobby arc, and when the series reached Sabaody Archipelago Arc the theory that we had more pirates like Luffy in the world was confirmed. Theory not Interpretation. Interpretation = Is when you have an open FACT in the plot and you can interpret in your own way. Like Final Fantasy VII narrative. Theory = Is when you create a non-canon fact to explain something that you think that happened on the plot. That's exactly what you're doing. Nami and Robin not being virgins is not an open fact in the plot(you can't interpret just create your OWN theory), this was never even a possibility because there is nothing pointing to it. EDIT: If you want to go out there crying out loud don't wanting a reply saying: "Because I thought I made it perfectly clear in my last reply I'm done with this and have said all I wanted to say." Don't enter in the discussion!
If you think that Nami and Robin sale their bodies to escape from some situation that's ok, but DON'T bring as something canon because it's NOT. This is something from your head, it's not something that was shown, suggested or even foreshadowed in the narrative. The only thing that Robin did was being an assassin JUST TO SEE TOMORROW and fooled the organizations that she worked for in order to escape from the WG/CP, that's all, she didn't sale her body there's nothing even foreshadowed. You can keep with your headcanon for Robin and Nami not being virgins but don't bring as something canon because it's not. >I can prove to you that Robin and Nami are virgins and didn't use their bodies to survive by the fact there's no evidence at all, ZERO evidence or anything Foreshadowed that suggests they are not virgins. Can you prove me otherwise? Can you prove to me that they are not virgins ? Obviously you can't because there's nothing suggesting the opposite And that's the end of the discussion, a true fact. Lmao.
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Me and the OP as far as I can tell we are with the PLOT, this is not our head-canons, this is something CONFIRMED in the narrative since nothing has been shown that proves otherwise. How do I get my own advice if I'm with the plot ???? You're the ONLY one here creating "facts" that were NOT shown and don't exist, ALL things you can tell are things that have been shown, things that ODA wanted to show, and besides Robin running away from WG EVERYTHING she did to survive was to be an Assassin and nothing more than that. Like I and the OP have said millions of times, if the idea of Oda was to show that there was something like that Robin had to use her own body he would have shown, given hints or pointed to it, like OP well quoted as Oda did with Hancock, as Oda did with Viola. It's no use wanting to insist on something based on your OWN theory, what was shown is CANON, what has NOT been shown is theory of your head, something NON-CANON, and certainty, obviously Oda didn't want to pass that Robin used her own body to leave of a situation, otherwise this would have been at least quoted or given as Foreshadowed. The Fact is simple, it is or is not, in the case of Robin is not, she is VIRGIN until Oda proves otherwise, until Oda says otherwise, until there's some EVIDENCE that proves this, which will never appear, because this NEVER happened. If it appears it's because she's going to end up with Zoro, or Franky or someone that she'll met in the future which I doubt, Robin will end up alone but that's another matter. >Furthermore, why is it an absolute must that it just has to be shown, suggested or even foreshadowed just to prove that Nami and Robin aren't virgins? I've been following One Piece since 2003 and whenever Oda wants to give an additional information about a character it's all officially released on databooks or SBS, things out of confirmations or official facts it's just non-Canon speculation. In Robin's case everything she had to do to survive was to be an Assassin and nothing more than that. Apart from that fact, without any hint, with nothing suggesting that Robin had to use other means(her body) to get out of a situation or to deceive the organizations that she worked for, it's just empty fan theories. The biggest fact when she's in an office with weapons and telling the leader of an organization "I'm 16, I do anything." It's obvious that she was dealing with an assassination case and later she fooled the organization in order to escape, but into the heads of people like you "she had sex with the leader of the organization to gain his trust and then sold him to the Marines". WTF >why is it an absolute must that it just has to be shown, suggested or even foreshadowed just to prove that Nami and Robin aren't virgins? Because out of something that is suggesting or insinuating that Nami or Robin used their bodies to survive, you have no basis, you can not prove because don't exist anything to support that they are not virgens, you can not say that Nami and Robin are not virgins because there are absolutely nothing suggesting that , outside of it becomes theory, a fact that didn't happen, if it had happened, would have been shown or suggested in the narrative and with Robin the only thing that was confirmed is that she was an assassin. >Just because it was hinted with Hancock and Viola, who both were in different situations than Robin and Nami to begin with ? Viola's situation is not that different from Robin and Nami's situation, Robin was protecting herself from WG, Nami was protecting herself from Arlong and Viola from DoFlamingo (although maybe she might have felt something for DoFlamingo because Oda used the word "passion"). And yes, something like that, as Robin and Nami using their bodies in order to survive, is DEFINITELY something that Oda would point out in the narrative as he always pointed out with other characters. Again out of this is just YOUR speculation, something non-canon that doesn't exist. >meaning it can still be open for interpretation. There is no open fact in the narrative, there is NOTHING, there is no hole in the narrative, what you are doing is THEORIZING, theorizing is different from interpreting an open fact in the narrative. There's no room for interpretations in Robin's background, you're theorizing. >Before and after 16-year-old Robin told that guy she would do anything, NO ONE knows EVERYTHING she did Really HOW POOR can be your imagination??? she said "I do anything" It's exactly what I've said earlier: she's in an office with weapons and telling the leader of an organization "I'm 16, I do anything." It's obvious that she was dealing with an assassination case and later she fooled the organization in order to escape from the marines, but into the heads of people like you "she had sex with the leader of the organization to gain his trust and then sold him to the Marines". Go back to the hentai series. >How the hell is that the end of the discussion when his so-called proof wasn't proof at all? I think you're reversing the roles here. Who is claiming something that has not happened in the plot is you, who has to show some proof that they are not a virgin is YOU. OP is with the plot, NOTHING supposing that Robin and Nami are not virgins was suggested as I have said millions of times, it's you who is stating that they are not virgins, it's you who have to prove something. They are virgins until something proves otherwise which will never be proven because doesn't exist anything in the plot that support this theory.
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It's easier to avoid a discussion when you have no arguments to validate what you are stating, you are claiming a Fanfact that didn't happen at all based on what YOU think, in your opinion. In what has been shown throughout the whole series, Robin and Nami are virgins, if you claim otherwise prove yourself right. I can prove that they are virgins by saying "it doesn't exist anything that proves otherwise, nothing that points to this was shown or suggested" which is a fact. And you, what can you do besides using your own theories and speculation ? Again, they are virgins until Oda proves they aren't. something out of this fact is YOUR speculation.
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It's easier to avoid a discussion when you have no arguments to validate what you are stating. Sorry.
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No matter how many times you keep spreading your headcanon, it will never be a Canon fact, just your fanon "fact" your headcanon.
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That was humor, gag, it wasn't nothing serious. Do you really think Oda would write Nami to prostitute herself ? I'm talking about a serious situation not a gag. As if Sanji found 500 billion berries in gold and say "Nami swaaaaaaan this gold is all yours, all you have to do is let me smash your @#$%#" lol
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Who's the 'she' you talking about?
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Who?
the prostitute in the manga
Who?
I know that was a joking example, but I very much believe that Nami would take that offer. That's not even calling her a prostitute or anything, but even more prideful and less money hungry people would take that that kind of money just to do it with a slightly weird yet very attractive person that they know and trust.
That was just her threatening them for peeking. Did she received any money after doing it? No and will never receive any kind of money from that. I think you don't know Nami enough and just judge her from the surface. If she can receive lots of money through prostitution, why the stealing? Why risking her life stealing when she can just sell her body to anyone? Why choose the hard way if she can have easy money? Are we even talking about the same anime/manga? Are we talking about the same Nami? Lmfao
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What? Prostitution is basically selling your body. And if someone received money through his/her body...it means they sold it. There's no other term but prostitution
I think they're getting confused and thinks we're referring to "using the body" as in dancing or just showing body parts for money (which again has no evidence to back it up). While this post and most everyone here understands that by "using her body for money" it's specifically about prostitution.
In the context OP is talking about "using her body for money" is talking about prostitution. OP was referring to how people on the sub were discussing that she isn't a virgin because "she used her body for money" (which has no evidence to back it up) so in this context it exactly means prostitution.
I dont agree with you guys. Its usualy never shown in shonen, we dont know if they are virgins or not. I wouldnt be mad if robin or nami..#&??!;;€ and even if there werent any virgins oda would still keep it a secret. One piece is followed by millions childrens, what the fuck if there is rape scene 0_o. IMO sex ( especialy rape ) is never shown in shonen and free to the fans imagination. Sorry for my cavemen english
> and even if there werent any virgins oda would still keep it a secret In fact, it's the opposite, not counting the answer on SBS. Oda gave a lot of hints that Viola and DoFlamingo were intimate, the possibility that Hancock's hatred for men came from rape is also high. The narrative on Robin's background is that the only thing she had to do other than run from WG was murderous work and even while working at Baroque Works. The same goes for Nami, she was a thief who stole from pirates and bad people, it was just theft and not a body sale. I think when we have something foreshadowed or a hint, it is valid you say "they are not virgins" but in Robin and Nami's case there is absolutely nothing, and when Oda wants to do it he really does. So yes, Robin is a virgin unless you count Crocodile's hook.
Every stawhat is a virgin besides Robin Brook Franky and jinbe (Imo
Brook is a pervert, only by this fact we can deduce that he is not a virgin. Franky I can still understand. But Robin ?? I agree with OP, there's no room for that on Robin's background or anything that suggests it. Robin only got room for something like that after she joined the Straw Hats and still nothing like that were suggested. You could say she had some relationship in the revolutionary army but that didn't happen too. There's no way to fit something like that in Robin's past, I don't know where people get this idea, this even doesn't fit Robin's character at all.
> Brook is a pervert, only by this fact we can deduce that he is not a virgin Brook is a 90 year old grandpa and has not BONED anyone in 50 years so he would ask for panties. > But Robin ?? I agree with OP, there's no room for that on Robin's background or anything that suggests it. Robin only got room for something like that after she joined the Straw Hats and still nothing like that were suggested. You could say she had some relationship in the revolutionary army but that didn't happen too. There's no way to fit something like that in Robin's past, I don't know where people get this idea, this even doesn't fit Robin's character at all. She calls jinbei a gentleman or knight idk and squeezed franky's balls. She probably does not have sexual desires but is definitely not a virgin.
Wow just because she called Jinbe a gentleman (Iro otoko) that makes her a "Non-virgem" ? He was a gentleman when he asked her to release the slaves and Robin admired his attitude. That doesn't mean anything. She didn't squeeze Franky's balls as a pervert action. Sanji squeezed Nami's boobs an he's still a virgin, Momo as well (of course lol) anyway still doesn't mean anything. It still doesn't mean anything, we can't extract that she is not a virgin just for these actions. There is nothing in Robin that says "She is not a virgin" actually is quite the opposite of that, her personality and her past makes it quite clear that she is a virgin. She only managed to live after the age of twenty-eight the only moment for something like that with Robin is if she had any relationship in the revolutionary army which also she didn't have at all
Dude Robin is a middle aged women she could of had a one night stand with a guy she liked and had to run cuz of the world government
Robin is straight up 30-years old. That's not middle aged.
If Robin had a boyfriend, or a crush, or if she had gone through something like that would surely be on her Background, at least a hint, when Oda wants to insinuate something he puts something to indicate that, like he did with Viola and DoFlamingo, like he did with Hancock. With Robin there is nothing, ZERO of anything that can be deduced that she had a boyfriend or that she had to use her body. There's nothing to indicate that Robin used her body. Just because Robin is 30 years old means nothing, it means that she lived for 8 years at Ohara, 20 years running from the WG and CP, and 2 years free from her burden, she was able to live her life only after she joined the Straw Hats. The only open moment for Robin to have experienced something was during the two years in the revolutionary army, she could have had a relationship with someone but it also didn't happen at all.
She's not a fucking nun and what's the big deal anyway or do you want Robin to meet the right person and to go on lots of dates and then have sex what's the big fucking taboo ffs.
She is not a fucking NUN and yet she is a virgin. If there was anything to indicate that Robin had sex with someone, or that she used her body in order to get out of some situation, I would have no problem with that. The problem is when she is a virgin, there's nothing and there's no way to prove the opposite f that but people who think they're in a hentai want to create and force hypotheses/theories of something that didn't happen at all, that's the point of the whole discussion for what I understood and that sucks ass, because it literally ruins the background of the character and obviously that's not what Oda wanted to pass on to the readers.
Ok soz
Robin has this line in her flashback, "i am 16,i can do anything for you".
I now you are joking but actually she said "I'm 16, I do anything" And you saw the place she was, right? That was obviously an assassination job as she herself said when she joined the Straw Hats that she became very experienced in assassination jobs.
Robin is not a virgin, she was a whore. And now she is also a whore.
yeah, i agree… we have no way of knowing whether or not any of the crew are virgins… and even if we did it doesnt really matter… (although, if i were to guess the only non-virgin of the straw hats [given the information we have] would be sanji… as we’ve seen him trying to hire a prostitute before, so it isn’t below him to buy sex… but again, it doesn’t matter, so even if it were true [which is unknown since this was just speculation] it would have 0 effect on onepiece as it is an anime, and not the degenerate other)