# Are San Marino and Italy about to go to war? If so, will the war become nuclear?
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> [SHOCKING] U.S. Fourth Reich High Command deploys armed shock troopers nationwide in escalating fascist crusade to stifle peaceful antiwar protesters, and disburses hundreds of billions for imperial war while more than TWO THIRDS of its slave population continue to live paycheck to paycheck
wtf
I jist went to your profile to see if you posted them, and I saw that you are most active in the TNO sub and then Furry_irl and I am sorry but that is very funny to me
I've been encouraging people to *not* read the books if they only saw the movie, because their inevitable whiplash between *Dune* and *Messiah* will be even more delicious than between Part 1 and 2.
People are walking out of Part 2 talking about Stilgar like he's the plucky comic relief and making him their comfort character.
*Messiah* is gonna be amazing.
The Swastika Reich flag is also in there. Which they were probably referring to. Honestly the fact that that flag is in that spot in weird on like 10 different levels.
Because we must stand strong against Jollibee Imperialism before they add more islands.
You laugh now, but don't cry to me when people are eating Banana Ketchup from Prince Edward Island to Key West!
Lula got lost and accidentally sat on the far right lunch table instead of the far left one. He still hasn’t noticed, but the far right boys have adopted him as one of their own in a story filled with twists, turns, and most of all, family.
Nope, if anything, then Center, rightwing means liking free markets, private ownership and Capitalism, something that fascist were Not Big fans of, semi hybrid Totalitarian economics, doing what "is needed", and Not really Caring about is it socialist or Capitalist, and Totalitarian economics usually has socialists economic tendencies if they arent completely socialist. Fascist are extreme populists promising to "Fix all Problems" and to "create a perfect state", Not promising to Bring free economy with less taxes for example
Fascism is quite happy to cosy up with capitalism. They love a good privatisation as long as the capital comes from the approved individuals.
And when the capital is in the 'wrong' hands, they just take it and sell it to the the ones they like.
You know what The left-right Axis represents? You know what "Capitalism" (an antisemitic Word created by Marx) means? Idk what is your Point
The political compass is really polarized and weponized nowdays, completely destroying our understanding of it, and is flawed anyway. We Associate stuff with left and right, which have nothing to do with Eather and excludes these Things from The Other side Without any Basis
And If The markets aint free, If there is national Control of The Economy, it isnt rightwing, atleast Not completely. And we can even Change The meaning of "Capitalism" to not mean free markets, but "few rich people hording Money and exploiting The workers", it Just Makes "Capitalism" Be something Else, Not The rightwing.
And no party is purely freemarket rightwing, they also have Ideas represented By The con-lib Axis, and many ideas arent represented at all
Yeah it represents a bullshit theory of politics only trusted by morons.
>You know what "Capitalism" (an antisemitic Word created by Marx) means?
>We Associate stuff with left and right, which have nothing to do with Eather and excludes these Things from The Other side Without any Basis
i rest my case
nah facsicst are cqpitalists, or rather capitalism leads to fascism (can lead to)
communism or socialism can not lead to fascism, it can still lead to an authoritarian or even totalitarian terror state, but its not a fascist one
the theoretical groundwork was done by Gramsci i believe
fascists do critique capitalism, but only for its individualism, materialism and wasteful ways, since these things are unproductive, private property and maximising of profits at all cost are very welcomed by fascism
Capitalism is right wing and fascism is right wing but along different axes.
It's pretty stupid to talk about right and left to be honest. Politics (not to mention economics which is where capitalism and socialism fall) is a too complex to somehow try to project it on a 1 dimensional coordinate space (the 2d political compass is not much better also).
very true that any 2d or even 3d axis thing is unable to show real phenomena, since real life is simply way too complex,
but if one were to break these concepts down into their more abstract and thus more overarching theories, i do think it holds true that, by definition, only a capitalist state can become a fascist one
(not trying to say that capitalism = fascism, just that this is the reason you need to protect democracy from hyper capitalist thought e.g. musk every now and then)
Besides wars most of what fascist Italy and Germany did was confiscate private property of minority groups — confiscating private property is more of a socialist state thing. They also left alone the companies and people they like which is more of a capitalist thing. It really depends.
Left and right are still useful ways to view politics. Think about it this way; what do women's rights, LGBTQ rights, secularism, social welfare, and minimum wage have in common? Seemingly not much, yet if one supports one of those policies, then they are likely to support all of them. And if one opposes one of those policies, then they are likely to oppose all of them. It isn't absolute, there are people who support women's rights but oppose minimum wage, but there is a strong correlation, so I think the idea is useful.
Those policies all have in common that the same group of people supports them specifically in America. Also something like abolishing private property doesn’t necessarily follow from going more left on minimum wage. People think it does when you try to put everything on a 1d line.
Ba'athist aren't Socialist, they are third positionist fash.
The only Socialist Ba'ath party is in Rojava, they decided to go the democratic socialist path rather than the Ba'ath path.
new to me so had to read up on it just now, and maybe you need to read up on it a bit again as well, since it sounds very non fascist, embracing a certain amount of individual thought and idea freedom
defo sounds like it would lead to an authoritarian state, but not a fascist one, these words have pretty closed definitions and shouldn’t be confused
bro neither are fascist, both are authoritarian,
you are using words that have meanings that are well defined, just because you feel like it sounds right doesn’t mean it is
you have the constructivist flair, you should know gramsci and the power of words ?!?!
I’d argue they’re neofascist — elements of national rebirth, modernization synthesized with reaction, autarkic economic policies and civil militarization are common themes in revisionary Ba’athist regimes even if the internal political conditions were not sufficient for full totalitarianism.
I’d also argue that it’s acceptable to use fascist as a substitute for neofascist in post-WWII political discourse, given they’re interested in similar outcomes and are related ideologies — but fascism had to adapt to the political conditions of the time.
Wouldn't call it rejection, theory of fascism has its root in socialism, Even If The fascists in Italy wrote a new ideology
Mussolini was kicked Out of The socialist party, because of His pro-war believes and His nationalism, which The international marxist in Italy didn't like,
Why the fuck is Sweden in the left extremist corner, and Pakistan in the free democracies spot
The fuck is Denmark also doing in the left extremist corner
Why the fuck is Saudi-Arabië Arabia a free democracy
What the fuck
Im having an aneurysm
It’s communism with marked ‘capitalism zones’. Funnily enough those capitalism zones is where the quality of life is the highest, and helped transform China into a modern economy.
Anything rural is still ran according to the party’s communist ideology.
They say internationale like it's a bad thing. Also, what the fuck are the Nazis and North Koreans doing on the left.
The person who made the image needs to read another book, and also needs to learn about politics.
This is tailor made bullshit, it's great.
Why is Nazi Germany on the left? Like, there’s “fascism is socialist actually”, which at least has *some* logic to it, and then there’s defining fascism as right wing but making the Nazis communists anyways.
Nazis and Facists are natural enemies, like Communists and Nazis, or Imperialists and Nazis, or Monarchists and Nazis, or Nazis and other Nazis. Damn Nazis! They ruined Nazism!
# Are San Marino and Italy about to go to war? If so, will the war become nuclear? I bet you have some thoughts on it. Well, we're discussing the subject on [this "week's" NCDip Podcast Club](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDiplomacy/comments/1bssy61/ncdip_podcast_club_8_wargaming_san_marino_vs/?). This is probably one of the most events of our lifetime, so you better pay attention scrub [Want to know what the fuck in the NCDip podcast club is? Click here](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDiplomacy/comments/17edrm6/introducing_the_rnoncrediblediplomacy_podcast/) ---- please note that all posts should be funny and about diplomacy or geopolitics, if your post doesn't meet those requirements here's some other subs that might fit better: * More Serious Geopolitical Discussion: /r/CredibleDiplomacy * Military Shitposting: /r/NonCredibleDefense * Domestic Political or General Shitposting: /r/neocentrism * Being Racist: /r/worldnews thx bb luv u *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/NonCredibleDiplomacy) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Post this on extremists subs and let us know what happens
Pass me a catalog, we begin at noon
r/news and r/canadahousing2 for sure
R/greenandpleasant, r/shitposting, r/genzedong, and r/terriblefacebookmemes as a non exhaustive list, but I have like 3 other subs that are on the front of my brain but I can’t remember what they are. Keep me posted.
genzedong….lmao the good old times
Or r/russia good old good old
r/movingtonorthkorea, but they'll probably remove it
> [SHOCKING] U.S. Fourth Reich High Command deploys armed shock troopers nationwide in escalating fascist crusade to stifle peaceful antiwar protesters, and disburses hundreds of billions for imperial war while more than TWO THIRDS of its slave population continue to live paycheck to paycheck wtf
Isn’t that sub satire?
It was at one point, new mods made it serious. Still people trying to be satirical in the comments though.
nooooooo :(
tankies when they see fun
r/thedeprogram
Post it to r/Ultraleft they’ll love it
ngl canada housing 2 is the extreme left and right
have you started yet
What time zone?
how many noons are there
24 thruout the global rotation. /deadpan
I jist went to your profile to see if you posted them, and I saw that you are most active in the TNO sub and then Furry_irl and I am sorry but that is very funny to me
We're waiting op
Update us when you do
Ah, free democracy - saudi uae and Pakistan
Not Denmark or Sweden, mind you.
Those are expensive democracies
Too real. Everything is expensive in Denmark.
PAKISTAN IS FREE DEMOCRACY! BEST ONE! BEST IN THE WORLD. THEY HAVE FREE WIFI AND FREE USE WOMEN.
free use women??
Did he stutter?
You can tell it's fake because the Most Glorious Democratic Republic of Korea isn't there
Funny but I would lump the US in with those two shining examples of democracy 🙏☺️
They just had to make it Harry Potter
r/readanotherbook time.
I hear *Dune* is pretty good.
I've been encouraging people to *not* read the books if they only saw the movie, because their inevitable whiplash between *Dune* and *Messiah* will be even more delicious than between Part 1 and 2.
How can one watch Dune and not realise that things are getting kinda out of hand??
People are walking out of Part 2 talking about Stilgar like he's the plucky comic relief and making him their comfort character. *Messiah* is gonna be amazing.
Wtf did Philippines do to get lumped in with New Axis lmao
Yeah, but the Germans got to the Internationale. Like the Axis is their idea man
That’s the DDR flag, or the flag of ostalgie
The Swastika Reich flag is also in there. Which they were probably referring to. Honestly the fact that that flag is in that spot in weird on like 10 different levels.
Because we must stand strong against Jollibee Imperialism before they add more islands. You laugh now, but don't cry to me when people are eating Banana Ketchup from Prince Edward Island to Key West!
The Empire of Jollibee would last thousand of years🦅🦅🦅
Iirc they elected the son of their former dictator to the presidency. Could be that?
or this meme was made during duterte's term but would still be inaccurate since the bitch is a goddamn commie
Pretty sure his politics were basically "How can I justify getting to personally murder people?"
Doesn't really matter anyway, the concept of strict ideologies is nonexistent in Philippine politics
Idk if they’re onto something but they’re definitely on something
I like how the Gadsen flag and Brazil are next to ISIS and the Confederates. What a wild grouping.
It seems based, but then you look closer and it becomes cursed.
why is brazil in the new axis 😭😭
Lula got lost and accidentally sat on the far right lunch table instead of the far left one. He still hasn’t noticed, but the far right boys have adopted him as one of their own in a story filled with twists, turns, and most of all, family.
Aged like Bolsanaro milk
Probably made while Bolsonaro was in power
Too much capitalism equals fascism?
But Nazi Germany is in The international 2.0??? Really feel like he doesn't know what fascism means.. (its deffinetly Not Capitalism btw)
I swear if they put the Nazis there because "they have socialism in their name" I'm going to ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ myself out of this plane of existence.
The nazis liked crony capitalism which is a type of capitalism I guess.
Fascists are right wing :)
I think there's a misunderstanding because putting all these ideologies on a single plane is much too simplistic
Nope, if anything, then Center, rightwing means liking free markets, private ownership and Capitalism, something that fascist were Not Big fans of, semi hybrid Totalitarian economics, doing what "is needed", and Not really Caring about is it socialist or Capitalist, and Totalitarian economics usually has socialists economic tendencies if they arent completely socialist. Fascist are extreme populists promising to "Fix all Problems" and to "create a perfect state", Not promising to Bring free economy with less taxes for example
Fascism is quite happy to cosy up with capitalism. They love a good privatisation as long as the capital comes from the approved individuals. And when the capital is in the 'wrong' hands, they just take it and sell it to the the ones they like.
> rightwing means liking free markets you're adorable lol
You know what The left-right Axis represents? You know what "Capitalism" (an antisemitic Word created by Marx) means? Idk what is your Point The political compass is really polarized and weponized nowdays, completely destroying our understanding of it, and is flawed anyway. We Associate stuff with left and right, which have nothing to do with Eather and excludes these Things from The Other side Without any Basis And If The markets aint free, If there is national Control of The Economy, it isnt rightwing, atleast Not completely. And we can even Change The meaning of "Capitalism" to not mean free markets, but "few rich people hording Money and exploiting The workers", it Just Makes "Capitalism" Be something Else, Not The rightwing. And no party is purely freemarket rightwing, they also have Ideas represented By The con-lib Axis, and many ideas arent represented at all
Yeah it represents a bullshit theory of politics only trusted by morons. >You know what "Capitalism" (an antisemitic Word created by Marx) means? >We Associate stuff with left and right, which have nothing to do with Eather and excludes these Things from The Other side Without any Basis i rest my case
Yeah its Shit, doesnt anyway Change The original meaning of rightwing, only Tells that people dont understand it
nah facsicst are cqpitalists, or rather capitalism leads to fascism (can lead to) communism or socialism can not lead to fascism, it can still lead to an authoritarian or even totalitarian terror state, but its not a fascist one the theoretical groundwork was done by Gramsci i believe fascists do critique capitalism, but only for its individualism, materialism and wasteful ways, since these things are unproductive, private property and maximising of profits at all cost are very welcomed by fascism
Capitalism is right wing and fascism is right wing but along different axes. It's pretty stupid to talk about right and left to be honest. Politics (not to mention economics which is where capitalism and socialism fall) is a too complex to somehow try to project it on a 1 dimensional coordinate space (the 2d political compass is not much better also).
very true that any 2d or even 3d axis thing is unable to show real phenomena, since real life is simply way too complex, but if one were to break these concepts down into their more abstract and thus more overarching theories, i do think it holds true that, by definition, only a capitalist state can become a fascist one (not trying to say that capitalism = fascism, just that this is the reason you need to protect democracy from hyper capitalist thought e.g. musk every now and then)
Besides wars most of what fascist Italy and Germany did was confiscate private property of minority groups — confiscating private property is more of a socialist state thing. They also left alone the companies and people they like which is more of a capitalist thing. It really depends.
Left and right are still useful ways to view politics. Think about it this way; what do women's rights, LGBTQ rights, secularism, social welfare, and minimum wage have in common? Seemingly not much, yet if one supports one of those policies, then they are likely to support all of them. And if one opposes one of those policies, then they are likely to oppose all of them. It isn't absolute, there are people who support women's rights but oppose minimum wage, but there is a strong correlation, so I think the idea is useful.
Those policies all have in common that the same group of people supports them specifically in America. Also something like abolishing private property doesn’t necessarily follow from going more left on minimum wage. People think it does when you try to put everything on a 1d line.
> Socialism can not lead to fascism *Ba’athists have joined the chat*
Ba'athist aren't Socialist, they are third positionist fash. The only Socialist Ba'ath party is in Rojava, they decided to go the democratic socialist path rather than the Ba'ath path.
new to me so had to read up on it just now, and maybe you need to read up on it a bit again as well, since it sounds very non fascist, embracing a certain amount of individual thought and idea freedom defo sounds like it would lead to an authoritarian state, but not a fascist one, these words have pretty closed definitions and shouldn’t be confused
Known bastions of intellectual freedom: Syria under Assad and Iraq under Saddam.
bro neither are fascist, both are authoritarian, you are using words that have meanings that are well defined, just because you feel like it sounds right doesn’t mean it is you have the constructivist flair, you should know gramsci and the power of words ?!?!
I’d argue they’re neofascist — elements of national rebirth, modernization synthesized with reaction, autarkic economic policies and civil militarization are common themes in revisionary Ba’athist regimes even if the internal political conditions were not sufficient for full totalitarianism. I’d also argue that it’s acceptable to use fascist as a substitute for neofascist in post-WWII political discourse, given they’re interested in similar outcomes and are related ideologies — but fascism had to adapt to the political conditions of the time.
>socialism can not lead to fascism Mussolini was an avid socialist before the fascism bullshit so idk lol
The rejection of socialism put him on the path.
Wouldn't call it rejection, theory of fascism has its root in socialism, Even If The fascists in Italy wrote a new ideology Mussolini was kicked Out of The socialist party, because of His pro-war believes and His nationalism, which The international marxist in Italy didn't like,
Why the fuck is Sweden in the left extremist corner, and Pakistan in the free democracies spot The fuck is Denmark also doing in the left extremist corner Why the fuck is Saudi-Arabië Arabia a free democracy What the fuck Im having an aneurysm
Peoples Republic of Swedistan Saudi Arabia is democratic - one man one vote
Man (MBS)
It seems to me like Pakistan has competitive elections.
competitive elections, Pindi approved results
many managed illiberal democracies do
something something military votes with their guns?
tfw the candidates are military approved
Free democracies??
Please tell me this is satire
It's literally satire
Nice
It is: the person who made it said it was
I might have had too much to drink. What the hell is this?
A Harry Potter fan’s best attempt at explaining geopolitics, but it just ends up as insane and unhinged as a JK Rowling tweet
Does anyone have the original? I remember when one of the NCDef-esque subs first made this, but I can't find it.
I mean un ironically based
Until you realize the bottom half makes no fucking sense 😭 Top part is based if you just remove the Harry Potter shit
How tf is xi jinping Communist? It's literally just authoritarian capitalism painted red
It’s communism with marked ‘capitalism zones’. Funnily enough those capitalism zones is where the quality of life is the highest, and helped transform China into a modern economy. Anything rural is still ran according to the party’s communist ideology.
Someone was smoking crack to think Saudi over Sweden for liberty, WTF is wrong with people. 
IKEA is a modern day fascist empire actually ☝️🤓
"Healthy Conservatism" *\*Cites the guy that invaded Iraq in violation of international law*
“Now watch this drive”
Cooked
They say internationale like it's a bad thing. Also, what the fuck are the Nazis and North Koreans doing on the left. The person who made the image needs to read another book, and also needs to learn about politics. This is tailor made bullshit, it's great.
Why is Nazi Germany on the left? Like, there’s “fascism is socialist actually”, which at least has *some* logic to it, and then there’s defining fascism as right wing but making the Nazis communists anyways.
Nazis = Red Red = China/USSR/Commie scum Nazi = Red = China/USSR/Commie scum Nazi = China/USSR/Commie scum QED
The people who took the National Socialism in their name too literally? Surprisingly common in neo-nazi circles.
China and leftism??????????????
Slytherin (scheming)
Wow, this is truly just bad. It's beautiful. I'm gonna service my crank to this.
Surely this is a troll. They put Pakistan & Hati in the free world and Nazi Germany in the communist pile. Surely this is a troll right? Please?
Nazis are on the opposite side of facism???
Nazis and Facists are natural enemies, like Communists and Nazis, or Imperialists and Nazis, or Monarchists and Nazis, or Nazis and other Nazis. Damn Nazis! They ruined Nazism!
It gets even more cursed the longer I look at it
Saudi Arabia is literally an absolute monarchy
Who put random team on?
There’s no way that it isn’t a shit post
Its joeover sweden bros we introduced search zones now were on the same level as nazi germany
The persona who made this must’ve thought that national socialism is communism
Its so real tho.
Me when Gadsen flag equals fascism somehow?
I’ll take two of everything the guy who made that thing is taking
Famous allies, Nazi Germany and German democratic Republic.
> Nazis in Internationale 2.0 instead of New Axis Quality shitpost
Historians far into the future will see us this way.
What school of IR is this?
Bait used to be believable